Those are like
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
frosty wharf
F i got robbed
fleet canopy
I mean, I dunno
proper wren
those generic laptops that would overprice it at my area
because people see the 16 gbs and go OoOOooohhh~!
fleet canopy
lmaooo
proper wren
and the i7 lol
proper wren
I neEd iT fOr mAya and enCodiNg!
fleet canopy
kek
full copper
that really helps
fleet canopy
You don't mind using a 1080p 144hz? @frosty wharf
proper wren
He can upgrade down the line in the future in black friday
fleet canopy
Yeah
But with a 2080, pretty ovk lol
Shithole even the fucking 1080p got the priced jacked high!
frosty wharf
I don't mind, the monitor doesn't have to be to snazzy
fleet canopy
AAaaaaa
full copper
1440p monitors aren't cheap lol
full copper
I can try to look for some cheap ones
fleet canopy
Nah that's fine
If he's paying 1500$ for a PC, he can get 400-500$ for a monitor lmao
full copper
yes
proper wren
The stock cooler is already good enough for gaming only
fleet canopy
For non-OC ofc
frosty wharf
hec ye, thank
fleet canopy
You're welcome lol
proper wren
seagate is currently questionable though
fleet canopy
lol
proper wren
I used to love seagate but the 1 week RMA and free m.2 upgrade from WD I cannot refuse it
proper wren
depending on what drive
fleet canopy
7200RPM?
proper wren
that yes
fleet canopy
Kind of ovk I guess
proper wren
ehhh $5 difference
fleet canopy
lame
proper wren
I don't know how people price stuff in U.S much
let me show you rma response from Asus lol
fleet canopy
Stupid arsed WD
proper wren
well it is wd black lol
fleet canopy
Can't find WD Blue for 2TB lol
proper wren
can get away with a simple blue <.<
fleet canopy
Lemme check amazon for it
proper wren
nvm is 5400 rpm
full copper
check black
fleet canopy
Ehh
full copper
but then he'd need two
fleet canopy
For one
proper wren
rip
proper wren
all my games is in 500gb wd black m.2
frosty wharf
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
fleet canopy
jfc
proper wren
but I don't play newer titles like Cod
fleet canopy
I do
proper wren
or warzone
proper wren
derp
full copper
all my games is in 500gb wd black m.2
@proper wren same but mine has like 20gb free space
proper wren
uwu
fleet canopy
kek
proper wren
I need to replace my 10 year old seagate drive uwu
proper wren
once it makes a sudden noise and gets louder yes
fleet canopy
And apparently newer HDDs by Seagate are better
proper wren
fleet canopy
Literally every PCPP Build guides are fitted with a seagate drive
7 million TB oh well
full copper
wow!
proper wren
all because they never used back up ups
fleet canopy
What if I dropped the M.2 NVME with a regular SSD?
Pretty damn worthless going for those
proper wren
ehhh keep the m.2
fleet canopy
Well not a lot different in pricing
fleet canopy
PCIe 4.0 is for bigger storage M.2
For this, it's perfect
The Tomahawk Max is an amazing board still, so it'll handle anything
Maybe not a 3900X and/or higher
fleet canopy
proper wren
Don't you dare slap sandisk on it lol
fleet canopy
lol sandisk
proper wren
Didn't update
full copper
yes
proper wren
part picker list
fleet canopy
full copper
oh no!
proper wren
A devil
full copper
sandisk
fleet canopy
Maybe just replace the SSD and HDD with a simple 2TB SSD
After all, I run from just a single 1TB SSD
lol
Everything still fast boye
Meh those shits are expensive as fuck
full copper
I can't see 2tb WD blue either
fleet canopy
They don't go over 1TB
proper wren
inb4 trade talks between Japan and South Korea goes very bad
suddenly ram is back to $50+
fleet canopy
Hm
full copper
I have my doubts
fleet canopy
Fuck it it's something
proper wren
the new wd backup drives is just a drive with better driver and design look
fleet canopy
proper wren
samsung monitor uwu
fleet canopy
Samsung cool
proper wren
ye
fleet canopy
Getting the same one, but 24"
proper wren
Samsung no longer making lcd
proper wren
24-27 inch is best
fleet canopy
H u h
proper wren
for gaming not at a distance
fleet canopy
Seems they removed 24"?
proper wren
nani
fleet canopy
Oh I know now
It's 27" versus 31.5"
lmao
That's their other monitor size
Same exact monitor, bigger
proper wren
yeah they removed it
fleet canopy
Oh?
proper wren
because not that many people buy it
full copper
$500 +
void perch
fleet canopy
Cute dog
void perch
Got a new 32" monitor (left) and moved my 24" monitors top and bottom on right side
I had a 22" which was at the top right that died on me so got the 32" and moved things around.
fleet canopy
Neat
void perch
it's a beauty for doing dev work. So much screen space.
proper wren
the blue cup makes it nice
void perch
ha, that's my chocolate milk. would be having a cider but am working (hence the laptop on left side).
proper wren
laptop specs?
fleet canopy
Sell the laptop for more hard drives
proper wren
sandisk
void perch
laptop specs?
@proper wren Dell 7490. i7-8650U, 4 cores, 32 GB ram and 500 GB SSD.
proper wren
You survived my judgement lol
void perch
It's a developer class machine, one of the most powerful we can get at work. I do prod support/dev work.
proper wren
I guess if you have any tech questions you can message me. If anything that is more very dev related I can just ask my tech who's also a dev*.
void perch
Appreciate that, I'm all set on that end. I run all of the bots here and over 30 bots on reddit/discord and very in tune with tech.
proper wren
nice
jade ermine
RTX owners, get RTX voice.
jade ermine
It's really really nice if you use microphone often
jade ermine
Bye bye keyboard sounds. I can clap my hands and only my voice gets thru
finite violet
so i went crazy and decided to order 4 royal z trident ramsticks
of 16GB each 
It's gonna be epic
also got a firecuda 520 like ludvig showed above
my 1TB ssd isn't enough for games 
jade ermine
@finite violet My man!
finite violet
abstract kite
a todo (tograb?) list i was makin for a first time build/upgrade, complete novice at this n wanted to check if this setup alright
π
proper wren
whats the use case, for gaming? encoding? etc
what games do you plan to play, what resolution
oh and what cm case
abstract kite
just mainly wanna be able to run modern titles n as for the case i think its a full tower
proper wren
1080p or 1440p lol
abstract kite
im dumb lets just say 1440p lol
fleet canopy
I can give better with 1500$ I believ
proper wren
you mean the one you rigged up earlier lol
abstract kite
proper wren
do et
fleet canopy
3600/2080 ain't bad combo lolol
abstract kite
not really
fleet canopy
This was build I put together https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H33XZf
I could get a cheaper fan if you're not an RGB person
abstract kite
was plannin on usin the thermaltake contractsilent 12 i used to swap out the fans
we start small here
proper wren
You want wifi right?
abstract kite
i mainly lookin for the bluetooth compatibility + wifi not sure how bluetooth stuff works
parts wise
abstract kite
altho im sure i just aint lookin right spot
proper wren
might as well get a wifi card with bluetooth
abstract kite
mmk
abstract kite
why dont i just grab a ethernet while im at it 
abstract kite
ethernet
abstract kite
thats the flashy color stuff right?
proper wren
yes
proper wren
The thing that boosts your ego and gamer kills
abstract kite
it should def help out with my adhd 
fk it chuck it in there
proper wren
assuming LL 120s with lighting node
proper wren
quiet flashy fans
abstract kite
yea this should do
fleet canopy
And miss out on a pretty good 2080, hm
proper wren
Tridentz are one of the best in reliability
abstract kite
fleet canopy
fleet canopy
lol
Got a monitor and keyboard/mouse?
And Poddy already said stock fans were good enough soooo
proper wren
if he added additional rgb fans is $129 lol
abstract kite
ye alright lemme just do a quick edit b4 i lose track of things
proper wren
it just depends on what fans though
HD120s were crazy loud
I went back to fractal for x2 140mms
fleet canopy
Those corsair fans are a no-no from me anyway
proper wren
and they look bad
abstract kite
π
proper wren
only reason why I got them was because $50 lol
fleet canopy
Invest in brown/tan Noctuas!
proper wren
^
lilac geyser
anyone own and run graphics cards for a while (5+ years) is it necessary to re-paste them after a while?
i went to town and cleared out all the dust and it still runs hot
proper wren
repaste and get 2% extra performance but still gonna run hot
fleet canopy
That's your choice I guess. I believe doing a re-paste new or old, it should improve temps either way
proper wren
still better than having old dried out paste
lilac geyser
i can say for sure my cpu benefited from new paste, i guess it makes sense it would on gpu
problem is i bet there are thermal pads in here as well as paste
fleet canopy
lilac geyser
not sure if i can re-use the pads
proper wren
pads can be reused pretty sure
but if you decide to buy new pads you might as well replace the card
fleet canopy
I mean, you can look it up
proper wren
card model
fleet canopy
You might get a tutorial from Gamers Nexus most likely
proper wren
pc jesus
fleet canopy
Some people just don't appreciate a PC god sometimes
proper wren
so bored I'm gonna clean my graphics card wall
fleet canopy
abstract kite
added
lilac geyser
is the 2080 overkill for that?
hexed horizon
I agree with this computer
expect the GPU
you don't need that
the 2060 would suffice
lilac geyser
$800 gpu, $170 cpu, like bitter said
fleet canopy
I've seen builders put a 3600 and 2080
lilac geyser
but maybe you have a 4k monitor? (multiple?)?
abstract kite
proper wren
I ask my technician and usually he will give a 30 min lecture
lilac geyser
not saying it wont work, but its like putting racing tires on a corolla
fleet canopy
If you're get 1080p 144hz, then you can just use 2060 Super/2070 Super
hexed horizon
not to mention
proper wren
1080p 1444hz
hexed horizon
I think there is a bottleneck with the 3600 and 2080
proper wren
144hz*
fleet canopy
Thing is at 1440p, CPU use is less
proper wren
You might as well get 1660 super
fleet canopy
2060 Super stupid
hexed horizon
the 2080 is kinda overkill for this, really, maybe get the 2060 but you dont need to get above that
fleet canopy
Is same price like 5700XT
proper wren
the benefit of 2060S is the 8gb and memory speed
fleet canopy
It's supposed to do 1440p 144hz
lilac geyser
amd offering better gpu compute depending on the application
proper wren
It's always meh at the beginning because amd never fixes at the beginning till user feedback
fleet canopy
Yeah sounds about right
lilac geyser
anyway what a world we live in, guess there's a software update for my monitor
fleet canopy
Gyuh then https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nThrL2
proper wren
lilac geyser
definitly a jump to more budget oriented with 1660, i didnt mean to shit all over your 2080, if you can afford it go for it
proper wren
lol
fleet canopy
Because smaller 1080p 144hz needs like
more CPU power
3600 is still a great option either way
Or 1600AF
proper wren
1600 af basically 2600
fleet canopy
Yeah
proper wren
but cheaper
proper wren
1660 super $40 less than ti with 1% difference in performance
lilac geyser
just remember it will all be obsolete in a year, we all die and none of this matters once you're dead
fleet canopy
Hah
abstract kite
tru
proper wren
unless robot
abstract kite
also tru
fleet canopy
Ray tracing unless you think it's dumb lol
proper wren
minecraft
fleet canopy
I heard some only got just a bit past 60FPS with a 2070 Super
It's really fucking hoggy lol
1080 Ti wouldn't stand a chance I guess
abstract kite
proper wren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjJzibFTaqA Mmmm a cable
fleet canopy
150$ what the fuck
proper wren
for a cable
fleet canopy
80$ over budget but meh https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cBVXZf
lilac geyser
my guess is 2080 offers a lot of headroom for the future
could possibly update cpu and keep the 2080 for next build
fleet canopy
Yeah
But if you can afford 1580$, you got a 3700X and a fairly cheap 2080 Super
I checked it up, it seems like a nice good card for it's price
lilac geyser
hope you have a decent monitor!
lilac geyser
they did that for the streaming part
abstract kite
think imma do myself a solid n double check my monitor specs or somethin
abstract kite
ive been lurkin while watching yall go back n forth with these big number names n i lowkey short circuit
molten acorn
Oh
Basically
1080p@144Hz is Ideal
That's all you need
if you're a hardcore game, TN panel
if you want colors
IPS
proper wren
if he goes 1080p 144hz there's no point in getting 2080s or 2070
molten acorn
if you want colors and some good response or whatever it's called go VA
I have a 2070S and a 1080p@165Hz monitor
that's not entirely true
lilac geyser
some IPS are approaching VA in refresh rate, socmetics
proper wren
when I bought my 2070 for 144hz 1080p
Only thing I could think of was well shit I'm just throwing more money in the fire
proper wren
It pushes frames and is good for streaming
molten acorn
I don't use mine for streaming
proper wren
but I won't be getting the full benefit from the card
once like 2 years have passed I basically lose the entire benefit of the card almost lol
lilac geyser
i really wish the monitor industry kept going with 16:10 instead of 16:9
molten acorn
Dude
fleet canopy
What's wrong with it
proper wren
Crysis
fleet canopy
Yeah NMS is cool
molten acorn
Crysis Remaster here we go
fleet canopy
But fucking shit and boring tbh
molten acorn
Sorry, Mayo
proper wren
Crysis remastered I wonder what the requirements would be
molten acorn
I don't agree with your opinion. I've had so much fun with it lately, it's kinda crazy
lilac geyser
lol crysis remaster 2090 required
fleet canopy
lol Crysis Remaster 4080 Ti required
proper wren
Star citizen
fleet canopy
Or quad Quadro 8000
fleet canopy
I used to be hyped for Star Citizen back then
lilac geyser
how they being?
fleet canopy
Forgot about it
proper wren
gtx 980 couldn't run it
fleet canopy
And then heard it again here
lilac geyser
lol is that real?
proper wren
yes
molten acorn
780ftw
lilac geyser
can we all get in on some The Verge hate?
proper wren
lilac geyser
honestly, using DMCA takedowns to supress commentary on their pc build video
even pulling out the racism card on twitter
proper wren
The verge doesn't know what "react" videos are
lilac geyser
then their whole "you could have just contacted us first" attitude
cmon squigga i can see that question being formed
fleet canopy
Haha
abstract kite
NOT LIKE THIS
lilac geyser
lol i'm happe to explain what those numbers mean
molten acorn
I use my toes
fleet canopy
If you don't have one, you're fucked
abstract kite
ok still got some questions on the mb but we startin small here so as of right now with my peon 1080p 60 hz that im currently sitting on, if i was to grab the 2070 for now would there any issues
fleet canopy
No
lilac geyser
it would run yes
fleet canopy
I've even used 1600x900 with my 2070 Super lol
abstract kite
lilac geyser
honestly that 2070 is probably slightly overkill for 1080 but its fine if you want room to expand
proper wren
Gtx 1660 ultra settings 1080p but high settings on 1440p on gtfo
Rx 570 ultra 1080p medium 1440p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiNkBC3tx6s jesus Kyle but is stream pc
abstract kite
Would it be better if I put my Operating System on its own personal M.2 Drive?
fleet canopy
If it's a dedicated boot drive, sure
It's fine if you add some stuff just as long as it's got enough space
abstract kite
I wonder how much space my Operating System takes,,,
ornate ginkgo
What Os you have?
abstract kite
Windows 10 Pro.
ornate ginkgo
yes
fleet canopy
I'd just recommend 500GB for OS and some stuff
ornate ginkgo
265 is enough
fleet canopy
250GB is fine too
abstract kite
Are there specific M.2's I need to get?
fleet canopy
I just suck at having it keep space
abstract kite
I see one slot on my MOBO
ornate ginkgo
Are there specific M.2's I need to get?
i can tell you that the samsung ... something something.. is pretty good
Samsung evo i think
ornate ginkgo
Oh i got my new one already
abstract kite
Oh yay!
fleet canopy
Samsung is like higher performance
ornate ginkgo
Yes but no
fleet canopy
Can just get P1
ornate ginkgo
Not totally.
lilac geyser
careful, M.2 is only a connector specification, you need to know if you have a nvme or a sata port
fleet canopy
Hm
lilac geyser
the M2 connector will be keyed differently depending on which it is
ornate ginkgo
forgot about that
fleet canopy
Yeah
ornate ginkgo
I mean windows 10 pro is like... uhh 35GB i think?!?
fleet canopy
Didn't know there were specific ports for NVME and SATA though
ornate ginkgo
Have no correct number rn.
fleet canopy
So that's neat to know
ornate ginkgo
They are labled.
And if you are still usnure.
Read the manual x3
It tells which stuff is supported
And if still unsure
just tell what mb you have
fleet canopy
What if I bought NVME on a non-NVME socket board 
ornate ginkgo
Mobo*
lilac geyser
this is where i learned everything :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItMY3WHHowQ
abstract kite
Oh god I need to know NVME or Non?
fleet canopy
Well a Tomahawk Max does have an NVME port i guess
abstract kite
I have the regular Tomohawk
ornate ginkgo
@lilac geyser i like you x3 Linus is like the dumbest smart person ever.
abstract kite
But there is a port that I can see
fleet canopy
I mean
ornate ginkgo
and i love him
fleet canopy
Go to the website of the board, and look in specifications
They probably have a PDF of manual too
lilac geyser
my work gave me a laptop with a sata M2 drive :(
fleet canopy
Well it's better than no SSD
ornate ginkgo
I have no m.2
abstract kite
They can give you that but no Face Mask? Smh
ornate ginkgo
It's not worth for me
abstract kite
No?
fleet canopy
No M.2 on me either lol
abstract kite
Not worth it?
lilac geyser
As for which brand of SSD, this may help https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Most-Reliable-PC-Hardware-of-2018-1322/#Storage(HardDrive)
ornate ginkgo
Rather take a second SSD
lilac geyser
well that link really just declares a winner without comparing, lol
ornate ginkgo
xD
lilac geyser
but puget systems are pretty knowledgeable
abstract kite
guess who
fleet canopy
I mean, sure
But I guess it's got its own benefits like
Got no more place for a 2.5" or no more cables? Here's an M.2
See an SSD you want but an M.2 is like the same price at same storage size? Here's an M.2
Don't give a shit? Here's an M.2
abstract kite
$400 for a 2tb
abstract kite
I did too
fleet canopy
It's new
abstract kite
Ik its a 1tb click over to the 2TB one
fleet canopy
It's NVME 4.0, I believe it's the newest
abstract kite
There are Heatsinks?
fleet canopy
Like uhh
abstract kite
abstract kite
But why? xD
abstract kite
It can't get that hot that it would require a sink like that.
abstract kite
I'm just saying for a stick those things are stupid expensive.
Not even my impulse buys self would buy it xD
lilac geyser
my logitech g9 mouse died recently, i replaced it with a coarsair harpoon
abstract kite
oi im a bit on the fence on the storage bit, already got a 2tb hdd SATA wonderin if i could transfer that over, but as for the ssd (prob also lookin at a 2tb) not quite sure which one im better off grabbin (battle of brands go!)
lilac geyser
you can put it on your new system as a spare drive, if you have the sata ports for it. But you probably wont be able to boot off it without reinstalling windows on it, which probably means wiping the drive
abstract kite
lilac geyser
i wouldnt recommend using it as a boot drive if you are going to get a newer drive anyway
fleet canopy
HDD on OS is ehh
molten acorn
Yikes
fleet canopy
Do you mean what brand we recommend you, what you need to do with the drive's file to transfer it over to another, or knowing blah blah?
lilac geyser
where are your priorities, do you want speed, capacity, or low cost? (or all of them?)
also reliability is a category
to me, it seems M.2 nvme is where it's at for performance
or a older sata ssd if you want low cost, or a spinning disk hard drive if you want lowest cost/gb at the cost of a lot of performance
abstract kite
i should stop getting distracted, but yea im basically lookin for capacity cost (eyeballin that seagate firecuda 2tb)
fleet canopy
Seagates are cool, but known to be unreliable
Could buy a 2TB WD Blue
Slightly on the expensive side, but it's pretty great
abstract kite
fleet canopy
1TB for them is like 50$
2TB is 100$ ish
But pretty good imo
Maybe a bit less, but still
abstract kite
Are barracudas good HDD and SSD's?
fleet canopy
I keep seeing it being put in PC guides by PCPP itself, and among many users
abstract kite
says the WD Blue is like 2 hundo
abstract kite
prob
abstract kite
keep the WD-Blue in mind before i make the confirm jump would be a slight downgrade from current 7200 rpm(which is like the only few decent parts that came with this pc) on another note this 300 watt clearly aint gonna cut it (like 400) so maybe 500 should leave some room for when i decide to change shit up for some reason
abstract kite
the yinking emote?
fleet canopy
The gorilla godzilla thinking emote
scarlet pilot
I googled it. ovo Sounds interesting. Sorry to change the subject!~ I was just curious.
adhd gang represent
lilac geyser
squigga: if the buget allows get a ssd, if you are coming from a spining drive the jump to ssd is HUGE
scarlet pilot
Can confirm. I put off getting an SSD for some time because I thought it was silly. Now I'll never go back.
fleet canopy
A 500GB SSD and a 2TB HDD is epic
If you want, you can have a 1TB SSD and a 2TB HDD
scarlet pilot
That's what I have Muppy π
fleet canopy
1TB to have OS and a few games where having SSD is good
lilac geyser
the quality of non-brand ssds is better now than it was in the past, i'd take a budget ssd over a spinning drive for my only drive
fleet canopy
500GB can be good too tbh
abstract kite
hol up
eternal cairn
I still remain skeptical of non-brand SSDs.
lilac geyser
in general it has improved
scarlet pilot
I wouldn't say any not popular brand is good.
abstract kite
im skeptical of anything unheard of
cautious life op
until you start gimpin yaself
lilac geyser
im saying i would take it over a spining drive for the massive performance benefits
fleet canopy
Hm
lilac geyser
and im basing thing purly over the fact that ssds are relatively new, and just because of the years of development between now and then they all are more reliable than before
eternal cairn
SSDs are not relatively new. They've been around for decades.
Consumer-use SSDs have been around for almost a decade as well.
abstract kite
lets say i went 2tb hdd 500 ssd
abstract kite
ssd to boot n the hdd for my basic storage
fleet canopy
Can do that, but if it's purely boot, I'd recommend 250GB
lilac geyser
having ssd as boot is god tier compared to spining drive
abstract kite
alright
fleet canopy
If you don't need anything on the SSD
And only the OS
Then 250GB
But if you want to have some games on it to have benefits of faster loading in games like R6 Siege, etc. then you can pick up a 500GB
lilac geyser
put your most used games on ssd, loading times go from 1 minute to 1 second
60x i dont think is a exageration
fleet canopy
Haha
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Not literal
But it's so fucking fast, I thought I'd never would have been able to obtain this speed in a million years
It's just the biggest benefit
Easily day and night difference
lilac geyser
lord nazo, i bet you're saying that a decade ago consumer ssds existited which is true, and in those 10 years the quality has improaved
abstract kite
kek
fleet canopy
In a decade tech has improved a fuckton
There is no way that something that used to be the shittiest thing
Would still be shitty 10 years later
abstract kite
think imma just settle for the 250gb for boot n take a 2tb 7200rpm hdd
fleet canopy
Yeah that's neat
abstract kite
budget on life support in bit
fleet canopy
Hm
abstract kite
just gonna go part by part to make my life easier
fleet canopy
Check the price between 250GB and 500GB
abstract kite
k
fleet canopy
And if there's a good 500GB SSD that's not too much more than 250GB, then you can get that
abstract kite
you talkin the WD Blue 500gb?
slate ravine
depends if you only want it for the os then 250 will be fine
abstract kite
yea pretty much just for os
lilac geyser
os can fit on 250 and have room for a few games easily
slate ravine
i have a 120gb for os and a 2tb for storage
slate ravine
not that big compared to some
fleet canopy
I guess not
fleet canopy
I keep thinking Siege is pretty massive in size tbh
All the shit it's got
But then again MW has like
lilac geyser
unless buget is your ONLY concern i suggest a ssd
fleet canopy
So many shit
slate ravine
i was shocked when i went to download cod on my new PC i just finished and it said it was 180gb like wtf
fleet canopy
kek
Are you required to download all 180GB for MW when getting Warzone?
Cause I forget
slate ravine
if you only want to play warzone then you only download 80gb of it
fleet canopy
Sounds neat
slate ravine
if you have the full game it is 180gb
lilac geyser
but squid, do remember how quicky you filled up that 2tb, just to understand how the 250gb will be
fleet canopy
F
lilac geyser
f
abstract kite
call me cyclops
lilac geyser
like squigga, if you have only had that 2tb spnning disk, then going to a 5 year old samusng 850 will be a HUGE improve,emt
i know we talked up m.2 drives, but a 5 inch ssd hard drive might be a cost saver
2.5" rather
abstract kite
u right
lilac geyser
you can go m2, and id should be even higher according to nujmbers
abstract kite
hol up
lilac geyser
holding up
abstract kite
XD
lilac geyser
i mean m2 is the latest generation of SSDs, but there are previous generation of SSDs in the 2.5 inch form factor
and that the 2.5 inch form factor is STILL and HUGE jump up from spinning drives
fleet canopy
HDD to SSD is always massive
You'd be lying if it didn't
Unless it was a really shitty or nearly non-functional SSD
lilac geyser
i do understand the dilemmma, a ssd is about 2-3 times as expensive as the spinning drive?
fleet canopy
Yeah
abstract kite
yep
lilac geyser
but the pefroamance increase to a ssd is like 100x
fleet canopy
Yeah
Definitely worth the cost
Now if you already have an SSD, I don't know how it'll be from 2.5" to 2280
fleet canopy
Then yeah
abstract kite
oof all the dilemma givin me a headache
lilac geyser
what is your total budget, and what do you already have, like the 2tb hard drive, or a monitor, or keyboard/mouse, etc. ?
maybe you reuse the case? or power supply?
fleet canopy
I mean, I gave him a build with 2080 Super and R5 3600 kek
next cape
do you guys think my cpu cooler that works for my fx 6300k can work for the i7 8700k
fleet canopy
What cooler is it?
next cape
idk how do i check
lilac geyser
lol
fleet canopy
I mean, did you ever change out of the CPU cooler at one point?
next cape
no
fleet canopy
Ah
next cape
thats teh one my computer came with prebuilt
abstract kite
wat im workin with besides keyboard n mouse is this https://www.newegg.com/asus-m32bc-b01-student-home-office/p/N82E16883221132
as for whats currently on the list is this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L6Z7dm
abstract kite
the power was there when i started fiddlin around lookin to drop it to maybe 500 - 550 wat perhaps
ik i havent actually made a change to it since we started talkin about other options
fleet canopy
Ah
lilac geyser
if you are getting the rtx 2070 then why are you getting anything but a ssd
abstract kite
im deceased
lilac geyser
i mean the spinnig drive is still ok as bulk storage, but the loading times jfc
fleet canopy
Yeah
fleet canopy
32GB, hm
You sure you want that?
And I believe motherboard is super doodoo, you don't have any Ryzen CPUs that's not Ryzen 3000 to do it
fleet canopy
kek
Tomahawk MAX is good
It's basically better than the B450-F
I believe, since the specs on the B450-F had less than what Tomahawk gives
abstract kite
think while im at it imma cut the ram in half
fleet canopy
lilac geyser
un thats like the same list
fleet canopy
Nah
Only added in an M.2 with NVME
Changed RAM to a 16GB
And the motherboard is a Tomahawk instead
It's a great board, allows more than what he picked which I believe supported up to 3200MHz
Yeah
abstract kite
lilac geyser
that is a fine detail, but they are both b450 boards?
fleet canopy
The difference is that the Tomahawk already comes with support for Ryzen 3000, I don't see any support for it out of the box from what he picked
lilac geyser
you literally picked the same chip as he did
fleet canopy
Same chip, yes
What's the deal about the chip?
It's the support of Ryzen 3000 drivers that comes with it
abstract kite
π
lilac geyser
idk, you made the deal about chips, what the deal about mobos?
fleet canopy
I never did?
If it's me saying "B450-F", that's cause I was saying it due to fact I checked it and it only seems it would need an update, seem to support less memory speed if he ever goes into that kind of stuff
And he won't have to deal with waiting a bit more to get a Ryzen 2000 or 1000 CPU
abstract kite
think imma pick this up again tomorrow be lookin for the main storage, (axed the WD black) power supply, and mb
fleet canopy
lilac geyser
thumbs_up.jpg
abstract kite
DONT LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT
fleet canopy
Kek
late sorrel
what about the tomahawk?
the MAX is better because bios chip storage size
and important with ryzen 3k
fleet canopy
I did recommend that
Like
asdafg times
And I didn't want him with a board that would have no support
At least having support for Ryzen 3000 straight from box
slate ravine
nice one, i have an ASUS GTX 1060 6GB OC edition
late sorrel
very nice
knotty haven
no
livid gust
since this is just tech talk, anyone here happen to know if sound devices can be used simultaneously between host and guest os when using kvm?
sick reef
You could just tunnel the same device.
brisk badger
@livid gust never done it myself but I think it does work if the hostallows for "PCI passthrough" (assuming the soundcard is a PCI card)
livid gust
it would actually be audio through either onboard sound or usb sound
brisk badger
it should still be doable although my knowledge is limited. I think you can also passthrough USB stuff. THere is some 'guides' I found in the internet
what is your host os running?
livid gust
most likely, it'll be manjaro or just arch
brisk badger
okay, I think it will work either way. Manjaro I don't know tho and Arch pretty advanced but has defintely support for it (the bigger task will be in arch to install drivers π )
livid gust
well manjaro is arch based, so it should work with either in that case
brisk badger
you have experience with arch right? It's not the easiest distro to say at least
as for forwarding music. I think if you google "kvm usb passthrough" etc. I think there will be soem solution presented that can help you
livid gust
i have some experience with arch, but im most likely going to go with manjaro since its less of a hassle for the same base and i have good experience in manjaro. but thanks, ill look into it to see if it'd work how i want
brisk badger
feel free to update us here. I also plan in the near future to do something similar (Basically merge 3 computers into one so my household has less pc's standing around haha)
livid gust
well my plan is probably a bit different than yours. it'd be manjaro as a hypervisor and win10 running in a gaming vm. the main concern i have with the audio is trying to have the vm audio come through the game channel on my razer nari and discord on the host coming through the chat channel, then possibly music or yt on the host going through the game channel as well
but i'll update ya when i get it done
solemn orchid
@void perch your work with bots has inspired me to look into working with them
I've been messing around in python with discord bots and it's honestly really interesting
void perch
Oh nice. Let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to poke around the bots code too
robust plume
2070 Super!!
ornate ginkgo
Pokes a hole into the code "tshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
D:
proper wren
To ye who wonders about any price increases (In Canada). Some video cards mainly rtx series and 1660 regs went up in price by $20-50
Ram prices went up $20-45. SSD went up $20-25. Mobos tbd. Psu no changes.
Cpus not yet and I aint on the work computer to figure out how many suppliers have left along with pricing history.
Webcam prices slightly increased and there is limited quantity
void perch
can we have a live stream if you putting it together?
molten acorn
Did Ludvig ever post his parts list?
azure plinth
Would a 1060 6gb and i5 6600k be enough to run the game? I'm not looking for maxed out settings and all that
azure plinth
Alright ty
azure plinth
It's from some weird facebook post lol
dense wasp
@molten acorn I think I did!
Building the βbest computerβ in the smallest case π
- Louqe Ghost S01 chassi
- 3950x
- 2080ti
- 64gb ram
- ASUS ROG STRIX X570-I GAMING mb
- Corsair SF750 Psu
- 2 TB Seagate Firecuda 520 M.2
brisk badger
don't you think that gpu and cpu will be throttled due to thermal?
assuming the focus is on silence
dense wasp
Iβll be getting a noctua cooler, and sliiightly lowering the voltage
late sorrel
yesss ludvig livestream it
sick reef
Airflow and space for aircooling in small form factor 
Guess it'd beat or be equal to the best 120/140's radiators though
dense wasp
Itβs actually better then most, Iβm going to make a negative air pressure in it
Will be interesting
But the temps are the biggest concern
sick reef
If you can fit them, use 36mm fans.
sick reef
It has a lot of gain for little noise.
sick reef
The are the voyages of the galaxy brain Ludvig
molten acorn
@sweet sage can we keep Labcat?
dense wasp
@molten acorn mainly for fun actually
See if it works
And the practicality of it
I have 4 computers in 8m2 space π€·π»ββοΈ
dense wasp
I work on a 4p coop game and Iβm the only tester π
So I need to be able to play 4p
late sorrel
smh ludvig play with the bug hunters
abstract kite
alright
molten acorn
That's also true
fleet canopy
If you don't plan on OC, just stick with stock
abstract kite
alright
molten acorn
@fleet canopy thank lil one
fleet canopy
:)
abstract kite
:)
fleet canopy
Now a 620W PSU, that's something https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tc3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-ss620gm2
molten acorn
SeaSonic Focus PSUs are great
abstract kite
π
vapid crypt
I heard the Focus psus has had issues most recently, something to do with the protections not set right. Heard of the power supply shutting off because of that
molten acorn
I have the SeaSonic Focus 80+ Gold
So I don't know how recent the issue is but I've had no issues
dense wasp
Or, βIβll be getting a noctua coolerβ I already have one, they sent me one, cause they are the best π
vapid crypt
Oh okay here's an article, it was a while back. But that's the thing when you buy a unit you don't exactly know when it was manufactured https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/seasonic-issues-warning-focus-plus-psu-has-gpu-compatibility-issues.html
Oh I guess from the serial number you could tell 
abstract kite
searchin 4 parts feels like shoppin on crack altho im willin to bet thats just the entry barrier
molten acorn
You'll be fine, homiesauce
fleet canopy
I mean, it'd be kind of ehh at first kek
But once you've learnt enough and know stuff on it, you won't have a problem at all
Just a few questions may arise, but that's it
abstract kite
yea im already piecing some stuff together altho i think i should find a way to stay up ta date on them since it would prob suck to go on another adventure while behind the times cause i decided to live under a rock
fleet canopy
You use YouTube often?
vapid crypt
Most things stay relevant for a long time, but if you put together a part list like a year and a half before you decide to buy everything the only things that might be a bit out of date would be the CPU and graphics card
abstract kite
yea keeps me sane at times
fleet canopy
Can stay up to date with tech peeps like Gamers Nexus, LTT, Bitwit
vapid crypt
And even then it might not be a big deal, cause it will likely be cheaper and still good performance for the money
fleet canopy
Have a monitor in mind but a new one came out that's better and fits your price? It's more likely gonna appear on LTT
Also somewhat keeps me up to date on the newer CPU/GPUs tbh
abstract kite
βοΈ ποΈ
fleet canopy
Mainly trying to grab at any performance
vapid crypt
I'm gonna want to upgrade the graphics card in the next 6 months, I ended up buying a older card that's still a solid performer at 1080p so 