What's the refresh rate of ps2???
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
deep dew
generally 30fps
deep dew
but thats not my point
fleet canopy
Shit choices on words everywhere
deep dew
thats why i started with the dreamcast on a vga connection
it buffers one frame
draws the nest
than kicks out the frame from the buffer
it has no effect on what the tv can draw
abstract kite
@fleet canopy what is a refresh rate for a Nintendo 64?
vapid crypt
Big Brain
deep dew
buffer has no bearing on anything , no one was talking about how a frame is drawn anyway
abstract kite
Can I put a 2080it in there?
deep dew
was talking about how many frames a 60hz monitor does in a second
vapid crypt
I hope so 
abstract kite
You know. I seen a guy make a stealthy computer out of one of those really old Wooden Radios
deep dew
i was gonna build one in a old dvd player when i get the time lol
abstract kite
I wonder what else you could stealth build a PC in
deep dew
hmm... now you got me thinking ...
i seen people do it with the OG xbox but i cant bring myself to kill one 😛
they are too awesome
abstract kite
Don't kill one.
deep dew
i wont , dont worry 🙂
abstract kite
Buy a already broken one.
abstract kite
Like how you fix refresh rates? 
half oar
fix it to 60 with vsync
deep dew
exactly lol
abstract kite
deep dew
nothing to do with buffers. thats how the framerate is kept a smooth output 😛
lets not go there again lol
half oar
lmao
abstract kite
I seriously wish I could enable VSync on my PC.
deep dew
you can but i guess you are one of them people that notice the 2ms mouse input lag 🙂
abstract kite
Nope.
5700XT Drivers are a piece of shit and any "Enhancing" features, such as VSync is liable to crash your PC.
vapid crypt
You mean enhanced sync? Cause yeah I heard that's causing issues
fleet canopy
Anything new from AMD for GPUs are shit rn
abstract kite
Please don't
fleet canopy
2070 Super is a pretty good price for perf on the 2000 series
abstract kite
Just don't..
vapid crypt
Not everyone is having driver issues, but sure I guess you're better off not
fleet canopy
Just stick with NVIDIA for GPUs for a while, maybe AMD will make drivers less shit
half oar
i had to side grade to a 2080 super when my 1080ti died, feels bad man
fleet canopy
2080 super is pretty fucking good tbh
half oar
expensive
vapid crypt
I mean its a slight upgrade besides the vram... which I mean fair enough
fleet canopy
Better perf for price than 2080 or 2080 Ti
merry bay
how long did you have your 1080ti for? @half oar
deep dew
i would like some money left after the upgrade tho 🙂 thats why i was looking at 5700xt
half oar
2080ti was too much
abstract kite
So quick question... If I swap my GPU with a 2070ti is it easy to just download and play the drivers or do I need to uninstall preexisting AMD Drivers?
fleet canopy
Just plug n play works ig
vapid crypt
You'll have issues if you leave the old drivers
fleet canopy
Yeah
deep dew
you can prob just install new drivers, but running ddu beforehand wont hurt
vapid crypt
It goes both ways
fleet canopy
Oh boy
vapid crypt
Its just DDU shutdown, swap and go
deep dew
display driver uninstaller , google it
fleet canopy
And that's where this channel comes in
abstract kite
Is it like just uninstalling any old Application?
deep dew
run, remove amd card. swap , install new driver
merry bay
Just a program with 2 buttons, does it all for you
deep dew
done
vapid crypt
You've used DDU before haven't you?
half oar
legit program
abstract kite
Never used a DDU
vapid crypt
Really?
abstract kite
People told me it can brick my PC
vapid crypt
I thought you used it for your drivers before
vapid crypt
No not at all, all it does is remove driver files
half oar
lol
deep dew
even if by some chance it fucks your drivers (it wont) windows will fall back to standard vga
no "brick"
you cant brick a pc anyway , wrong term
vapid crypt
You know what you should run it, and reinstall drivers. It might fix most driver problems you've been having
deep dew
unless you fail a bios update 😛
merry bay
you will have a display output even without drivers installed, will be low res though
merry bay
and if windows doesn't find any gpu drivers it will pick out what it sees fit on its own. Best to have correct ones on hand right after DDU is done and PC is restarted
vapid crypt
Actually there's a video I saw that might be helpful with the current bad drivers, its a work around but yeah
deep dew
could well fix some stuff
abstract kite
So I run DDU, let it run its course than restart my PC or should I reinstall than restart?
vapid crypt
Uh well you boot into safe mode to run DDU
deep dew
win 10 dont even have a proper safe mode lol
vapid crypt
Clean/restart make sure Windows updates doesn't auto install drivers
deep dew
how in win 10
abstract kite
Hey guys,
just bought the game (currently still downloading) i wonder if its even worth a try to get into it Solo or should i find companions right away?
pallid cedar
safe mode absolutely exists on win 10
vapid crypt
Its the same as Windows 8
half oar
dont even try solo
abstract kite
Don't let your dreams be memes
vapid crypt
You hold shift, click restart and it will show you a menu with various options
deep dew
i mean it not really usefull
vapid crypt
Select troubleshooting and startup options
deep dew
what if you cant boot
vapid crypt
The pc will reboot and give you the safe mode as one of the options
deep dew
you cant shiftclick anything
pallid cedar
if a pc fails to boot windows it will prompt you for "repairing" and boot in safe mode
abstract kite
NO you press windowskey + R and then type "msconfig"
pallid cedar
yes, it is. Regardless of your personal definition of safemode.
deep dew
im old safemode to me is what existed in xp lol
pallid cedar
it boots in safe mode from the recovery options
still exists
with more options
hence "recovery options"
deep dew
safe mode used to stop all unnesacary drivers and services
abstract kite
So always boot in safe mode when doing these types of things, such as DDU
vapid crypt
Its recommended yeah
pallid cedar
it still does LTThatguy, really have no idea what you're on about
half oar
enver have
abstract kite
press WindowsKey + R and then type msconfig and select "Start" and check the box under Startoptions
deep dew
how do you boot to a safemode desktop
merry bay
Windows key+ R msconfig Boot tab. Check Safe Boot
abstract kite
Interesting.
pallid cedar
abstract kite
@merry bay windowskey not ctrl
deep dew
it exists but it prob nou usefull for the most recent ms fuckup
merry bay
true, my bad
pallid cedar
yes
deep dew
that would be usefull never even bothered trying
sick dragon
what are the minimum requirements for a nvidia 2080ti out of curiousity... I have an i7 3960x (It's in the 3900 family), 24 gigs of ddr 3 (4th memory socket isn't working for some reason.. should have 32 total)..
abstract kite
OK so you guys said i shoudlnt even try solo. where can i find noobs as myself to play a game on here ? 😄
pallid cedar
abstract kite
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deep dew
because there are more and more old lappys affected by ms's recent usb driver fuckup
half oar
Lfg section
vapid crypt
What's your 3960x clocked at?
half oar
u can ask people in there
deep dew
and you cant get to safemode with no kb and mouse unless you use boot media lol
vapid crypt
Its getting up there in age, but if its fast enough it might be okay. Albeit not as good as any modern part
sick dragon
it's clocking at 3.4 ghz
vapid crypt
Constantly, or just currently?
sick dragon
currently..
deep dew
so you can only safeboot in legacy mode ?
vapid crypt
Do you know if it boosts under load?
pallid cedar
disable legacy boot options in bios
deep dew
truespartan google it , ms fucked up
sick dragon
it's not boosting then throttling... consistant speed
pallid cedar
safe mode can boot wihtout legacy
deep dew
vapid crypt
Hmm
deep dew
not in that yt vid it cant , but i will try uefi
when i and if i need to ,
they still havnt fully fixed that btw. only effects super old hardware still
vapid crypt
Hmm I'm thinking its about on par with my R5 2600, granted with slower memory. Might not matter though, uh yeah that's not too great for a 2080ti
deep dew
last time i couldnt even be assed , just backked the data reinstalled and diabled updates on the usb related stuff
sick dragon
ok so it's best to just get a new rig then.. I'll keep it in mind for my next replacement..
vapid crypt
If you're looking for a flagship card yeah
merry bay
the windows update should only affect that windows install. booting into the USB via UEFI would still have kb & m support
vapid crypt
I think it'll handle say the 2070 Super well enough
deep dew
i would say check the cpu is seated properly...especially since a ram slot dont work
vapid crypt
New stuff is coming out this year anyway, there's gonna be something faster both with CPU and GPU so
half oar
or go 4k
sick dragon
hmm sounds like i'll go that route then.. It took me a year to get $3000 .. I'll hold off on the upgrade until I've hit it's limits..
deep dew
nah, the drivers still update when os is running and bork thg usb
*the
not mine, just some older ones i see
have to disable drivers updating
they say its fixed ... but its really not lol
vapid crypt
That's a HEDT part right, would you be interested in something like Threadripper?
deep dew
hpacher , yeah i know if you biit from usb uses old drivers so will work
thats why i asked if it can be done 🙂
never even had to do it, in the whole win10 lifecycle
nopw i know it can and how
merry bay
be glad, win 10 is fragile 
deep dew
it was worse on release lol
remember the beta with the fish boot logo lol..i rmemebr thinking dafuq lol
*remember
sick dragon
For now I'm just living with what I have.. it runs what I need to at this point of time.. but I know sooner or later I'll get to tier of card where it's at the limit..
deep dew
yep, i hear that flain101
what i have is great for what i need. should be good for a good few years
sick dragon
I don't know if I'll grab another alienware.. I got the R2 awhile back.. apparently some of the bloatware that caused me heart ache in the start is still in the newer models..
median moon
build one vro
sick dragon
Aurora R2
median moon
alienware is overpriced
vapid crypt
Alienware 
pallid cedar
Alienware = Dell. Let that speak for itself
deep dew
the bloatware will be easy enough to remove. alienware look nice but are overpriced
abstract kite
You are paying for a name.
deep dew
i would have one if i could just for the looks not gonna lie 🙂
sick dragon
yep.. and it didn't take typical memory.. it used memory thats ment for servers
vapid crypt
I mean that's the case for most products 
median moon
deep dew
i would love to build a new pc in the old 2000's era area51 case 😛
vapid crypt
ECC memory?
late sorrel
oh god that Area 51 case
vapid crypt
Or you just mean bare memory sticks?
late sorrel
That was amazing
abstract kite
Can't you buy Alienware cases?
deep dew
ECC is server el
sick dragon
can't remember now.. it ended in a U...
vapid crypt
No I know
pallid cedar
dell sells alienware cases on their website.
At least, they used to.
deep dew
lol
abstract kite
There you go. I bet they are overpriced too.
pallid cedar
newegg prob has some too
sick dragon
I'd build my own but I'd be afraid of screwing up .. it's not like once upon a time you could unstick the heads on your HD by dropping it down a set of stairs..
abstract kite
Wouldn't doubt it
half oar
just take your time
vapid crypt
Its gotten easier and easier
abstract kite
No you must rush through it
deep dew
nah, just "protective cases" for lappys lol
vapid crypt
At some point it might be so easy you might only need to screw in the motherboard and plug in some wires
abstract kite
Rushing is the best policy for quality results. Take Stadia for example.
vapid crypt
Stadia the thing that got destroyed by Geforce Now
merry bay
Imagine being destroyed by a product that predates you
vapid crypt
And then Activision got salty and pulled their games from it for whatever reason
It was in beta for a long time, but it only just got out of it a week ago now?
merry bay
Yeah, but it works pretty much identically to last year. Just got a rough pricing model now
Still no RTX support surprisingly
not that people are looking for it
vapid crypt
I thought you got RTX with the premium subscription
merry bay
I recall them saying it's coming soon or something along the lines
deep dew
first i have heard btw
vapid crypt
Yeah the idea is for 5 bucks a month, you get access to the RTX feature via their streaming service
deep dew
talk about bleed every last penny
vapid crypt
So at the cost of latency, RTX 
merry bay
Oh so it's there already. Interesting, but hard to utilize 
deep dew
lol. hope no one pays and rtx dies
vapid crypt
They can't sell enough cards, so let's make it a subscription
fleet canopy
Ehh
abstract kite
Is RTX Ray Tracing?
deep dew
yup galerus
vapid crypt
Well there's a free one and a premium one, the free one limits your streaming to 1 hour sessions and you don't get RTX
merry bay
abstract kite
Do you have to pay for Ray Tracing AFTER buying the card??
merry bay
23 gigs of VRAM
deep dew
thats what i was wondering
vapid crypt
Well no this is if you're using Geforce Now
deep dew
he said streaming tho i amy of read wrong
vapid crypt
Like you can run it on anything
deep dew
is it a streaming service ?
merry bay
cloud pc
vapid crypt
That's correct
fleet canopy
Plus I heard from a 2070 Super user that it runs quite well with RTX?
deep dew
oh right
vapid crypt
You're using their hardware from their datacenters
deep dew
i thought you was talking about a local game with rtx card lol
deep dew
no lol i read wrong 😛
vapid crypt
Yeah no but I mean come on I wouldn't put it passed Nvidia to do that
deep dew
me neither
abstract kite
Shh
vapid crypt
Anything for the money
abstract kite
Let the idea die here
deep dew
thats why i beleived it for a miniute 😛
fleet canopy
RTX is only gotten from having an RTX 2000/Super series
deep dew
tenner per ray lol
fleet canopy
Unless of course you were using some stream service ig
vapid crypt
Or 5 bucks a month with Geforce Now on your potato PC
deep dew
hey , my pc is a roast dinner not a potato 🙂 🙂 🙂
fleet canopy
Potat
deep dew
potatoes gonna potate 😛
pallid cedar
RTX is only on RTX cards, but Ray Tracing canbe achieved by any card
RTX cards just have their own RT cores to handle ray tracing without taking too much form the main cores
deep dew
true spartain...and it has been for a while
merry bay
A friend of mine uses his phone with Geforce NOW. Great for RPG's or turn based games. Said he played Dark Souls 2 comfortable too. Just a controller and a phone.
fleet canopy
Neat
deep dew
dunno what all the fuss is about tbh lol
merry bay
If you're desperate could probably even do it with the overlay controls
deep dew
geforce now run on a sega dreamcast yet ?? lol
vapid crypt
I wouldn't want to play any Dark Souls let alone 2 that way
pallid cedar
I can't mobile game
screens are just too small
on phones at least
some bigger tablets aren't so bad
merry bay
Well a big decider is how far you are from their servers. If it's under 30ms ping it can still be fairly pleasant, even for something like shooters.
deep dew
i have one of them xinput controller add on tablets for that 😛
vapid crypt
Oh I understand that, I'm referring to playing Dark Souls on a phone with overlay controls
deep dew
cant pc game on a phone screw that 😛
pallid cedar
yeah I used an xbox controller with my ASUS Prime tablet back before I sold it
vapid crypt
I don't want that at all
merry bay
Still probably the most interesting option for cloud pc's now is Shadow. Seemless switching between devices, more resolution options and you actually get a cloud PC, not just launching one game at a time.
merry bay
It's still a bit early for it getting widespread or more attractive as a product.
I see value in being able to seemlessly switch between devices.
e. x. bathroom break/kitchen break for food and taking your game with you
pallid cedar
I don't usually take my devices with me to the bathroom or kitchen lol
but to each their own
deep dew
the only time i go on facebook is when i am taking a shit tbh loool
think about that next time you buy a used tablet 😛
pallid cedar
I never buy used lol
deep dew
i do , but i clean the hell outta anything wearing gloves before use 😛
usually tore down in peices too
deep dew
later
pallid cedar
o7
dense wasp
Was that supposed to be empty? 🙂
late sorrel
that list is empty
vapid crypt
You're looking at US pricing there
rancid kindle
Ah
vapid crypt
In any case the 3600 is like 30 - 40 less, the 3600X boosts higher. So its nice to have.
vapid crypt
I dunno, never ordered from them. You're gonna end up paying quite a bit more for shipping I would guess
vapid crypt
Well that's assuming they aren't also in CA to be fair
rancid kindle
$216 total
vapid crypt
Sure but that's in USD
vapid crypt
Yeah the uh bank pretty much figures out the conversion I think
Might be cheaper just to get it from Amazon, if only a little bit
Then again I dunno what your sales tax rate is
vapid crypt
Newegg should include it
vapid crypt
There's a Newegg CA site
vapid crypt
By the way for the cooler, from what I've heard Arctic will send you something to fix the floaty issue it has 
Its a problem with certain motherboards I think
vapid crypt
I recall seeing something about it on their youtube, but yeah I would guess look up their contact email
Apparently they will send a backplate
vapid crypt
I dunno what damaged the pins, but I could believe maybe something going wrong with the installation and damaging the motherboard
rancid kindle
The pins was my 2head
vapid crypt
Did you drop it?
rancid kindle
I didn't realise it was just popping out and sticking on the thermal paste
I thought the stock cooler just wasn't fitting
So I tried to push it in and screw it in
vapid crypt
So it bent on the socket
rancid kindle
Not knowing the cpu wasn't in the socket
Pre much
Well
Bought the cpu
Idc
In debt now woohoo
dusty pumice
How much are you in debt now @rancid kindle ?
dense wasp
Hopefully picking my 3950x up tomorrow..
dusty pumice
Lmfao Ludvig talking about the good side of pc building @rancid kindle about the bad side
I hope you do pick it up tomorrow and we get to see some pictures
Ill be traditionally burning my motherboard next weekend if its officially has died lol
dusty pumice
If i am running into CPU issues Intel will refund me = D
rancid kindle
But couple hundred I think
dusty pumice
Rice honest recommendation would be either, being very careful with your next pc parts, or paying some local who can help you out with it or bring it to a 1 mans store
dusty pumice
I feel really bad for you and would paid off your debts if i was in a better financial situation but i am not at the moment
rancid kindle
And that cost him like 2k
dusty pumice
What i can do for you tho is send you a giftcard, for either or any of your choice restaurants
dense wasp
I think I’ve only had 1 pc actually burn when building it 😅
dusty pumice
so you can pick out something to drink or eat = )
rancid kindle
Nah dw lmao
I work a bunch rn
While I'm not in college
Wait
When I'm not in class*
dusty pumice
@dense wasp I had a curved samsung monitor break on me this weekend
I have major issues with either my mobo or my i7-7700k cpu
dense wasp
Which one?
rancid kindle
Work sunday, monday, Wednesday all day. School tuesday Thursday Friday all day
dusty pumice
I dont know how to fix and asked multiple people in this chat
dense wasp
I use a curved Samsung at home
dusty pumice
no one been able to help me out
A 27inch curved
Panel repair is somewhere between 350 euros - 500
dense wasp
The h50 or whatever it’s called?
dense wasp
Sounds more expensive then buying a new one :0
dusty pumice
I just know that i cant repair it myself i know how to repair flat screens, i will ask the tech department of the company i work for tomorrow about both issues
Yes
It is
Because you have to buy it from Samsung directly or from someone who knows how to order it cheaply
Or a replacement online but have never in my life before done repairs for curved monitors
It turns on 5 minutes, good screen no problems
after that black spots start to happen lines and areas with red and green dots
I would make a picture but its not at my house at the moment
dense wasp
That’s irritating for sure
dusty pumice
The person who wanted to buy it off of me wanted to pay a maximum of 350 euros for repairs i paid him his money back
dense wasp
The screen. Not you not able to take pictures 😛
dusty pumice
I know lol
I fixed normal monitors before but Samsung curved's is a whole different story for me lol
I can talk to my insurance and make a total loss report for it
And i will get money back and the customer can pay his money for repairs
if he wants too or buy a new one
@dense wasp anyway thanks for looking at my weekly frustrations lmfao
😱
dusty pumice
Have a good night sir = )
Yeah for sure for sure
Hey for anything there's a fix in life just have to find the right solutions at the end of the day its just money it just depends how deep your pockets are at a certain moment when bad stuff happens
rancid kindle
Bruh I'd still have a working pc if I wasn't greedy
"How can I upgrade it" 2 months after I built it
dusty pumice
Mistakes give you a reason to learn
If you don't learn from mistakes you made i don't know what to say but every person is different
sick reef
Greed is only good when it lets you draw two cards.
dusty pumice
^ 100%
mystic ingot
Unless you're playing Uno. 
vapid crypt
I summon Pot of Greed to draw 3 additional cards from my deck!
celest quiver
im having a huge issue
i had some huge fps issue some time in game so i tryed to put my game in windowed it didnt fix it so i restart my game
and its only a black screen i already re downloaded game tryed to force the fullscreen and didnt work
abstract kite
@celest quiver what GPU do you have?
sleek forge
turn off vertical sync and drop shadows down to medium. test out lower max render frames and cpu culling.
choose display FPS so you can see what effect those choices are having
also, make sure your drivers are uptodate
abstract kite
"I hate programming, I hate programming, I hate programming"
program finally works
"I love programming!"
fleet canopy
Can be said for about everything
abstract kite
Yea
celest quiver
i have an gtx 970
rancid kindle
Tomahawk max motherboard is compatible with ryzen 3600x cpu right
From what I know yeah
fleet canopy
No, but it's actually real and confirmed apparently
jade ermine
lol
fleet canopy
So we might see it
jade ermine
too bad the game got delayed xD
fleet canopy
It'll be limited edition
Probably their attempt at trying to get a few more money tbh, to fully finish off CB2077
half oar
60hz
deep dew
60fps lol
half oar
nooooooooo im out
deep dew
lololol
merry bay
somewhat related
never thought the day would come
not perfect, but it's a start
might actually switch on my second monitor that's connected for a long time.
dense wasp
@fleet canopy 😂 that hurt
void perch
ouch
stark plover
Does anyone know if I can scale 1080 to 1440 or nah. I'm looking for a new monitor and 1080 144hz is cheaper but I low key want that 1440
(27 inch 1080)
merry bay
Imo at 27 for 1080p it gets quite noticeable.
Depends on your distance from the screen tbh, can look up some graphs for recommended options based on distance, resolution and screen size.
stark plover
That's why I wanna scale to 1440 oof
fleet canopy
Can't you settle for 24"?
stark plover
I sit somewhat close 🤷
merry bay
You mean 1080p screen forcing 1440? or switching to a 1440 display?
radiant halo
help i build pc
fleet canopy
Ah
merry bay
The pixel count isn't even when trying to scale 1080p to 1440p. You get a horrible staircase effect. Like you forgot AA but a little worse
stark plover
So sad
merry bay
It's noticably better trying to do the same with 4K
but at that point you're rendering the game at 4K
fleet canopy
Yeah
merry bay
obvious issue
fleet canopy
No point trying to do that unless PC can handle it
stark plover
I got Radeon vii so I could handle 1440 but is expensive kek
silent spear
hey guys
Have you ever had an issue like mine? I am seeing all of my 32 gigs of ram from the BIOS but windows only sees 16 gigs, and I cant figure out how to fix it
vapid crypt
Its likely that the RAM is not installed correctly then
silent spear
but then why does the bios see it?
vapid crypt
The Bios recognizes them, but if its installed in the incorrect slots, say slots 2 and 3 Windows will only register one of them
silent spear
4 dimms, 1 in each slot of the mobo
And it was working till today, when I reseated them
(i reseated them because of changing out the cpu cooler)
I remove them and put them back then
vapid crypt
Are they all the same model?
silent spear
yes
vapid crypt
Was it like two dual channel kits?
vapid crypt
Uh maybe mixing em around messed something up
silent spear
until removeing them, and puting them back, they were working
shall i just remove them and put them back again?
vapid crypt
What's the brand of the ram?
vapid crypt
Now I know there's different variants of Ripjaws that use different memory modules
vapid crypt
They might look the same, might even have the same model number. But they could change the memory moduel from Micron to Hynix and no one would know
silent spear
gimme a sec i will check it with taiphoon burner
vapid crypt
Like Corsair's Vengeance LPX uses Micron, Hynix and Samsung. 3 slight variations of the same part
silent spear
all hynix modules
vapid crypt
Alright, well maybe try swapping sticks and see if that works
silent spear
alright
Thanks 🙂
I took out all, put them back it is working now
Probably i didnt use enough pressure at the first time
warm topaz
Hey all, wondering if I should get a 1080 ti or a 2070 (s). I want to run modern games in 4k and potentially play some VR games in the future. Would love some input from someone who knows about these things.
fleet canopy
1080 Ti is ass expensive is all I see
indigo palm
9th gen i7
16 gb ram
gtx 1660 ti
is VR even a possibility?
its on a laptop too, a legion Y545 would this be at all computable with VR or would the laptop just blow up
fleet canopy
Laptops are inferior to desktop on performance, even if parts are all same
So you probably can
merry bay
It should be able to run, but I expect it to be very inconsistent over time (e. x. after some time, parts warm up and won't run as fast - things clock down_
if possible try to rent VR or borrow from a friend first not to invest without knowing it's pleasant
I mean both for figuring out if you're ok with handling VR for longer than an hour as well as testing your machine as laptops are harder to predict
more leaning on it working fine though(not sure how good it stays once it's throttling)
indigo palm
fair enough, is there any external cooling system i could use to help regulate temperature?
fleet canopy
A fan
charred nexus
Slapping it near an AC or if it's cold out a window will do enough
stark plover
Take off the side and just tape a house fan to it
vapid crypt
There exists coolers that you can place the laptop on top off, some kind of ventilation made specifically for that
median moon
late sorrel
oh
brisk badger
people who are living on the edge using liquid metal as thermal paste on their notebook cooling solutions.
I do not recommend unless the notebook remains stationary or you are carefully protect the die
generally replacing the thermal paste and pads with your own ones also helps a bit with reducing cooling
jolly idol
clear quartz
oki so I'm on a bit of a disjunction
which one would be better an note 10 lite or a oneplus 6t?
clear quartz
laptop?@calm python
vapid crypt
First of all how dare you shitpost here And second @calm python For the money I wouldn't recommend that. You could spend the same amount on a desktop set up and get better performance. Laptops aren't really worth their ludicrous pricing, not to say that laptop won't play games well I'm sure it could. Its just limiting and it won't age well.
calm python
I am graphic designer
red remnant
Desktop always better. Laptops tend to heat like crazy.
calm python
I know but i cant travel with my desktop
red remnant
For graphic design take laptop that won't heat like crazy, like thinkpad. I won't recommend any Laptop that isnt Lenovo Yoga, Thinkpad, or Dell XPS. If you want something good - take business class Laptop with GPU. They are not fancy but they are great.
clear quartz
if you want something that doesnt heat the MSIs are really good
i have leopard GP63 and it bearly over heats but its loud af
calm python
I can install windows on a macbook but if something goes wrong apple doesn’t repair my macbook
red remnant
and it won't run good games since Macbook Pro has garbage cpu
What is your price range? @calm python
calm python
1.5k-2k
vapid crypt
The Intel laptops are really overpriced at least. Asus has a new one coming out the Zephyrus G14, starting at $1400 and it has a 1660TI at that price point, way better than the 1650 in that MSI one you mentioned
Also the new Ryzen 4000 8c/16t cpu, beats out Intel's i7 at that price
I don't think its out yet, but it should be out in this quarter
brisk badger
ultranoobToday at 8:53 PM
I can install windows on a macbook but if something goes wrong apple doesn’t repair my macbook
This is absolutely not true.
abstract kite
ultranoobToday at 8:53 PM I can install windows on a macbook but if something goes wrong apple doesn’t repair my macbookThis is absolutely not true.
Warranty Standpoint it very well may.
brisk badger
Why would Apple made an official software running windows and then exclude it from warranty
just click on the link yourself: https://support.apple.com/boot-camp
They will certainly not assist you with windows issues lol
nimble kite
Does anyone stream mobile games here? Quick question, is there a way to make OBS Studio work with an android emulator?
vapid crypt
Should be easy enough, I never tried it myself though
rancid kindle
New cpu came in
Has this stuff already on it, didn't come with thermal paste
Does that mean I won't need to put any?
As this stuff replaces it?
merry bay
it had a plastic cover, right?
looks clean enough so I assume yes
can use that without much worry, unless you have something more premium ready
vapid crypt
That is a thermal pad on the cooler
You can use it, but that stuff is really sticky if you recall
I would say clean the stuff off the cooler, and use the paste that you got
You mentioned getting new thermal paste right?
@rancid kindle
vapid crypt
What paste did you get?
merry bay
I'm 90% sure that's pre applied paste, not a pad
vapid crypt
That's what I mean by pad, I know its thinly applied paste. I'm more so describing its shape I guess
rancid kindle
Yeah i put it in without removing what was on it
The debug led went out for cpu
That's a good sign
Plugging into monitor now
Ok how long should I wait
Before it works on the monitor
Aw man
The 100a debug led is on now
What's that mean
Boot*
The boot debug is on
How do I fix
rancid kindle
Nvm got it
It works
Bruh idc how much debt I'm in now. Its been a long month
But my pc works again
eternal cairn
What about your PC was broken in the first place?
vapid crypt
He bricked the original motherboard somehow, can't really say how but it occurred due to poor practice from a installing a new cooler. And he ended up bending pins accidentally on the original CPU
eternal cairn
😬
kindred fiber
Hi! Did anyone use this monitor ? I need some review on this one.
Purpose:Gaming + Movie.
Is the color good?
cobalt cliff
i own that laptop
ornate ginkgo
@kindred fiber I can recomend the Acer XB270H
real lichen
@kindred fiber I have that monitor right now there good I haven’t had any problems with them and I have had them for about 5 months
median moon
for $25 more you can get the Dell S2719DGF
1440p, 155hz refresh, 1ms response time and 27" for $275
absolute steal
vapid crypt
If they're interested in color quality, then the one posted is the better option considering its IPS
At the same time, there is a 1440p IPS option at 259, this one. Only conceivable drawback is its 95hz https://www.amazon.com/Pixio-FreeSync-Certified-Productivity-Warranty/dp/B07PZX54QC
last blade
I'm having an issue with my PC rebooting. When I launch into a match as soon as I move my computer reboots. I don't have this issue when playing other games. My set up is a a msi b450 gaming plus mobo, Ryzen 2600, XPG 3000mhz ram 2x8gb, Corsair CM750 power supply and a evga rtx 2070. I think the power supply is the issue. I've heard that the cm series have a issue with the capacitors used in them
I monitored the GPU and CPU and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. No temp spikes or usage spikes
vapid crypt
How old is the power supply?
last blade
I bought it in November
vapid crypt
Oh okay, check to see if the fan is working on it
Not likely for a fan to fail in that amount of time, but it could happen
brisk badger
Can be helpful: Event Viewer -> Windows Logs -> System
search for latest critical / error
A crash connected with a reboot usually does not happen with overheating
last blade
It's really weird. I play Modern Warfare and Destiny 2 with zero issues. It only does it as soon as I move when launched into the game
brisk badger
try the windows logs. It does help a lot with troubleshooting. BSOD information can be found there if there for some reason not show on the monitor
last blade
I'll run a log this evening and see what I what I come up with and report back. Thanks for the help!
brisk badger
no problem. Also you don't need to start logging, windows does log all the time. Just need to find the timestamp of when the system crashed or filter/group by events and list Critical / Error and then search for the newest
late sorrel
Nice!
abstract kite
Its an asus card but I cant say which one
late sorrel
I think it’s a prebuilt
Should have a 1650/1660
Yeah, that’s a 1660
I’ve seen the model in Best Buy
fleet canopy
Probably yeah, since there isn’t a 3 fan 16xx
granite basin
didnt know a 1660 had rtx
kindred fiber
@real lichen tks for the info.
solemn orchid
@late sorrel @fleet canopy @abstract kite
not a prebuilt exactly
I rescued the mobo from a prebuilt I bought secondhand then upgraded entirely
well, except for a new mobo
it's now got an i7 8700, rtx 2060, 20gb ram, etc
late sorrel
oh that's really nice!
solemn orchid
it was never really complete without the llama lol
lament fiber
I have a AMD Ryzen 5700 (non XT) GPU flashed with 5700 XT bios. I say that to ask this; Does anyone else have this GPU or a true XT version that is getting screen flicker during gameplay?
solemn orchid
generally getting fucky with pci-e devices has unintended consequences
especially when said pci-e device is made by a company that barely knows how to design them
cough cough amd cough cough
I would say if it's a consistent issue revert back to original bios and try again
never hurts to just troubleshoot a bit
finding such a niche problem is going to be a bit tricky if it only occurs with this one game
lament fiber
I ask because I have not had a problem in this game but in other older games.
solemn orchid
ahh
lament fiber
This game so far runs like a top
solemn orchid
now we're getting somewhere
late sorrel
yeah the llama is cool
late sorrel
and yes, the 5700 has issues with driver
try turning freesync off
if you have it on
lament fiber
I deleted the bloatware they call software and only have the actual driver files installed. They did a bios update and now I got screen flicker like mad.
solemn orchid
well now see that's just AMD trying to get you to use their shiteware interface
lament fiber
I hard wiped the old drivers too
solemn orchid
AMD drivers managed to leave an uncleanable stain on my older windows installation, to the point where I had consistent issues until I completely wiped it with a linux boot stick and started fresh
lament fiber
Yeah when I had a Nvidia card I never installed their bloatware as well
Driver cleaner + youtube helped me clean off the old driver install. Even the AMD made driver wiper left files behind.
abstract kite
Adrenalin post 2019 was pretty bad... Still shit to this day.
I cannot wait till I get my 2070ti
lament fiber
I am thinking of going back to Nvidia though as Ryzen BIOS issues on't seem to ever go away when they start happening.
solemn orchid
I'm really happy with my 2060, since it overclocks well when I need it to, but it really doesn't need to often since I mostly play WoW and rust
lament fiber
I'm keeping my eye out for a 2080 to go on sale
abstract kite
The 2060 series just dropped in price.
lament fiber
yeah so they could smash the 5600XT
abstract kite
Never get that card...
abstract kite
They lick the asphalt from the roads and get gitty when they find a full rock to chew on.
solemn orchid
god I desperately want to get solely on linux
I'm sick and fucking tired of windows as a whole, and especially as a business model
and I certainly know how to transition and everything, it's just that barely anything has native support and the things that don't either run poorly or not at all
lament fiber
I only went to windows 10 because windows 7 would not see the USB ports on my 570 chipset Mobo.
I regret every second of it
abstract kite
wINdOws iS A pERFecT cOmPAnY
fleet canopy
I mean, I honestly have no idea what’s wrong with Windows except what I heard was some data info leak, but seems it fucks the newer stuff?
lament fiber
I had to edit the registry to stop my desktop search bar from always using bing... who the fuck thought that was a great idea?
abstract kite
Idk why all the hate on Windows either.
fleet canopy
Windows has been pretty good so far, some problems may arise but fucking around in settings does the fix for me
lament fiber
There are windows versions I love. Windows 95, XP & 7 after I neutered it.
abstract kite
@fleet canopy you do foxes?
fleet canopy
Well I have Firefox and Senko-San pfp, I guess I do foxes?
solemn orchid
windows simply does not provide you with the tools necessary to have a usable development environment without some heavy fucking with, and even with said fuckery, it locks you off from messing with it quite a bit because microsoft is bloody terrified you might actually use it for something other than web apps
lament fiber
If Unbuntu could game... aw man I would main boot to it all the time.
abstract kite
I still need to watch that anime
solemn orchid
fucking web apps
fleet canopy
Fucking fuck now I want some furry figure of a cute fox
fleet canopy
Dm it then haha
lament fiber
if mac wasn't so well... mac I would use it.
fleet canopy
i5, 2060, fucking 2000$
lament fiber
somewhat good for video editing bad for EVERYTHING else.
solemn orchid
plus they actually give a shit about their proprietary software
^
audio too
macs have excellent digital and physical audio interfaces
fleet canopy
And especially fuck their peripherals
solemn orchid
as an audio guy, I used a mac for the longest time before investing in proper hardware for myself
lament fiber
Is that before or after thunderbolt fries its self?
fleet canopy
Shitty fucking mouse
Like a miniature trackball crap
Or touch!!!!
Fuck those especially!!! Can’t right click!!!
solemn orchid
okay so where I live it's not uncommon for the heat to just fucking die all of a sudden, and on nights when it literally got to below zero in my house I would huddle under a blanket and run the adobe suite on my macbook pro with the cable plugged in and use it as an honest to god space heater
lament fiber
My eye twitches every time a hipster tells me you don't need a right click.
solemn orchid
and it WORKED
fleet canopy
I could go for their phones, I guess
solemn orchid
I cannot imagine not having a right click
first thing I enable on any macbook I touch
literally have a fucking stroke when it's not available
but it's so much worse on their desktops
where there is physically NO right click
fleet canopy
I hate it that you have to lightly touch the fucking pad for it to work as right click
So shitty and bullshit
lament fiber
My "lightly clicking" ends up cracking the mouse by the time I et it to work.
solemn orchid
I'm using a mouse right now where I have to click extra hard on the left click for it to work and it fucking annoys me
lament fiber
So is anyone running a M2 or PciE SSD and can you tell a difference from a Sata?
fleet canopy
The only product I totally would go for is the 999$ stand!
solemn orchid
yesssssss master
fleet canopy
M.2 2280 is your best option
NVME for boot yes
For general storage up to you idgaf lol
lament fiber
Next paycheck I was looking at getting a 1TB M.2 or Pcie SSD.
solemn orchid
1tb boot disk is kind of pointless
you really don't wanna be running applications off of your boot disk anyways
lament fiber
Boot/Game storage.
fleet canopy
NVME 250-500GB great NVME 2280
And 1TB regular 2.5” SSD
Western Digital Blue 1TB SSD
lament fiber
So I was looking at Samsung, WD or seagate M.2 not sure what brand is solid... no pun intended.
fleet canopy
Samsung seems overpriced from what people say here
lament fiber
I've had all 3 brand HDs fail on me before so....
Should I even look at SATA cable SSDs or just stick to the old platter drives?
fleet canopy
You can get a Western Digital blue or Intel 660p m.2-2280 NVME 250-500GB for your boot, plus some small necessities like maybe small programs, and then a 1TB western digital blue 1TB 2.5”
Yes I see I said 1TB two times
No, I won’t change it or even care
merry bay
Samsung drives are more expensive but they're the no compromises option. They're great, but it's not a very significant difference.
lament fiber
I saw a 10TB drive going for about the same price as M.2 sticks
lament fiber
Nah a 3.5
fleet canopy
Plus take note that there literally is not a single difference comparing SSDs because it makes no improvements
An HDD to SSD, yeah but that’s pretty obvious lol
lament fiber
My cpu will bottle neck any SSD
lament fiber
AMD 3600
fleet canopy
That can’t bottleneck anything lmao
That’s the best gaming cpu on market as of rn
Such a good buy for the price
lament fiber
I skipped the X version. not worht the extra money.
merry bay
There are differences between SSD's, mainly the controller. Samsung hands down has the best one. Some drives heat up more, intense workloads would throttle.
fleet canopy
Oh?
merry bay
But it's mostly irrelevant for the average user
fleet canopy
Yeah
merry bay
People messing around with dev tools and moving large files all day. They'd really feel the differences
fleet canopy
Just not very important unless you’re some very nerdy working man needing to be specific on what his job is and needs
And if that were the case, PCIe SSD would be a great investment, but overpriced as hell lol
Unless PCIe is somewhat old and lacks in performance compared to a 2280 NVME
Or a WD Gold
lament fiber
AMD 3600 is just a binned 3600X. You can get a little more speed out of the X but RAM speed and timings get wonky. 8 extra fps is not worth the trouble.
If the 3900 drops to below 400 I might get it.
lament fiber
Well my mobo has two vacant M.2 slots and I was not sure what to stick in them.
lament fiber
Meh, what ever CPU I have in my tower will be in it for at least 5 years. same with all the other parts... aside from the GPU
fleet canopy
I think that’s what it was called
If you’re thinking of upgrading GPU, might as well wait for the next lineup too. Supposedly 50% more performance for same price
merry bay
I hate being a negative nancy, but 50% is too much to reasonably expect. Kinda expecting higher prices as well. Maybe I'm just defaulting to keep expectations lower to not be disappointed. After all it's just rumors
Those GPU's are definitely going to be very attractive, my next upgrade for sure.
lament fiber
Well I am about 10 more screen flickers away from RMAing my GPU for Nvidia.
So does anyone here like having the disco party in their case, or were you like me and hunted for parts that don't double as nightlights?
fleet canopy
I mean, that’s good. Not having high expectations is pretty good
And lately, I’ve been feeling like I should change some of my list to go with a black case, but with pink/light blue RGB
merry bay
If you're after RGB white surfaces will intensive things a bunch.
pallid cedar
I quite enjoy my purple nightlights :3
sick reef
The only light in my PC is one red LED, one green LED for the graphics card, and one or two white LEDs. Haven't plugged in my Power button proper, yet, to make that light up.
abstract kite
The only light on my PC is the Sun of 70 RGB's on my SSD
last blade
Update on my issue: The power supply was my issue. It was causing reboots under heavy load. Swapped out my Corsair Cx750 with a EVGA 750 supernova and the game runs like a champ now.
vapid crypt
Do you know what was wrong with the power supply?
fading compass
Sounds like poor voltage regulation. Which is weird as the CX (2017) models are decent at this.
last blade
I haven't found the specific cause but from what I've read that series is prone to failing under load.
vapid crypt
CX750?
abstract kite
Yep
brisk badger
A corsair PSU also died on one of my workstations. It was an AX850
abstract kite
......
brisk badger
and probably the most expensive I ever paid for. I still run some PSU from 2009 and older
abstract kite
You guys are making me worried
brisk badger
when did you buy ? or when was it manufactured ?
vapid crypt
If the slim chance your power supply fails in a similar way, it could be as early as next month or as late as 2 years its really not so bad as long as it doesn't blow up and take the rest of the system with it
Which honestly I found out was kind of a risk with the first power supply I got...
brisk badger
it killed your system?
I think most non no-name PSU do have some sort of protection. I don't really know though
vapid crypt
No I found out the series of power supplies I got had a poor reputation, likely cause of bad quality control and has been known to fail. The 3 year warranty kinda gave that away
brisk badger
oh okay. you remember the brand?
vapid crypt
I read reviews of capacitors bursting, the thing catching fire
I still have it, its Rosewill HiveS
I have it on the shelf there
Replaced it with a Bitfenix Whisper
brisk badger
I did not know the brand but googling them I bet they slap their logo on the PSU which is produced by some company from china who also produces PSU's for other companies 😛
vapid crypt
Its a good deal on paper, all the protections you would expect. 80+ bronze, fully modular, 650w (Albeit you only get like 583w on the 12v rail I think.) Apparently their gold rated power supplies are far better though
And Rosewill is like a inhouse brand for Newegg I believe, they sell cases, power supplies, stuff like that
fading compass
Whisper M is great. Shame it’s out of stock though 
The good rose will power supplies that come to mind are the capstone and the photon. Everything else is probably a coin toss 
vapid crypt
I dunno if its true, but I heard Whisper M might be out of production
I got a good deal for the one I got, 100 bucks for a 750w. That's pretty damn good for a quad rail fully modular gold rated psu
Oh wait actually I found it in stock on Newegg
fading compass
That would seriously suck. The 550W models went for 80$ and considering the competition at that price, it was a steal.
vapid crypt
Oddly enough the only one not properly in stock is the 550w
fading compass
Oh wow it’s back for 88$.
Nah the 550 is in stock. And for 88$ that’s still pretty good.
vapid crypt
That's being sold by "Beachaudio" apparently, considering the 650w being sold by Bitfenix is the same price I mean I wouldn't consider that one
fading compass
Oo 650 for 1$ more. This must be new.
Yeah lol
If these can stay afloat they are definitely the go to power supply over the rmx.
vapid crypt
For sure
old patrol
I'm going to dump water in there
abstract kite
Fight me
cobalt hound
when i minimize most of my games crashes
abstract kite
...
@cobalt hound go into your Task manager and go to the "performance" tab and screen shot it
old patrol
I don't know how computers work but this looks bad
merry bay
He has 6, not 16
old patrol
Hm
south echo
8gb gang 😎
abstract kite
@Umbrae Somnia Aternae#0117
old patrol
Lolz
mystic ingot
Look into a modular one. I'm doing that as well, as I too have the CX750 & definitely a clutter monster with so many unnecessary cables.
fading compass
Atleast get a good modular unit though. There’s no point in downgrading in quality just to have less cables.
fleet canopy
Rose will would more of be good for just peripherals I guess. The Rosewill ION D21 I have has done good for me so I can’t complain lol. Great for my needs tbh
abstract kite
Idk what to do now...
I have the USB for windows 10
But idk what to do now that I'm in BIOS
merry bay
look for boot options or boot device, something along those lines
and aim for UEFI USB "whatever yours is called"
even before entering bios it might be F9 or F12 to go to boot options directly. Differs from mobo to mobo
abstract kite
?
merry bay
I've never navigated that BIOS before, try clicking on the USB icon?
or did you already put at high priority?
abstract kite
Uhm...?
sick reef
Isn't it just putting boot priority on the usb and booting?
dreamy forum
I think I got the same motherboard but the previous version. Nevertheless go to boot options or sth like that and choose your USB sticl as your first boot option
maybe you have to scroll a bit down first to the bottom to choose thje right option
stark plover
When undervolting overclocking my Radeon VII, what all should I do
I dropped the voltages (stock 1118ish to now testing 995 since 990 crashed) and increased memory (stock 1000 to 1200)
Power limit I kept the same to kinda just keep temperatures lower if possible
(tag me)
abstract kite
@cobalt hound that's your CPU
abstract kite
I want to know your Graphics Card.
abstract kite
Ew...
cobalt hound
its the integrated of the r3 3200g
abstract kite
So you have a laptop?
vapid crypt
https://youtu.be/y88YFCYX2qg?t=421 In this review he covers how he tuned his Radeon VII. Apparently his core clock is at 1900mhz at 1090mv So not much lower from stock with the voltage. His memory is clocked at 1100 though, dunno if that matters. Obviously if you're going for a more aggressive undervolt you're gonna need to do some testing. Use a benchmarking software like Heaven or Superposition as you change clocks and voltages, as long as its stable and you don't see any weird pixels or artifacting it should be fine @stark plover
vapid crypt
And yeah he's using a 3200g with integrated graphics
stark plover
I was running heaven the entire time I was doing that to do live testing and I did a full heaven benchmark after each one