I love it
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
abstract kite
abstract kite
And when you need to clean it.
pallid cedar
not sure who needs to know but HDMI 1.4 can support 144Hz at 1080p
finite sentinel
I think i need a better motherboard to get better dram clocks =/ that or just a 2 stick setup
3600mhz 14-14-15-14-28 seems to be the best i can get
i really wanted 3800mhz 😦 all the benchmarks i've seen show 10-20% performance increase
brisk badger
what did you use you to try 3800MHz? Timings I mean
also can try changing commandrate from 1 to 2 which technically is not as fast but you may achieve 3800MHz
jade ermine
3600mhz cl14 gang
abstract kite
2200mhz gang
fleet canopy
2400MHz CAS19 gang
pure sleet
2133 mhz gang
dense wasp
@void perch going wild with his new rack 😄
void perch
Go big or go home :)
merry bay
@rancid kindle Technically you can disconnect the power LED pin or HDD LED (whichever it is)
Should be in your manual if you care enough.
dense wasp
I'm the other way around d0c, I want to build a high end gaming rig in a Louqe ghost s1.. 🙂
dusty pumice
@dense wasp two more months and ill be building small factor too = ) haven't found the right case yet but it needs to be able to fit in a small box and not be too heavy so i can just chuck it in the back of a SUV and not worry about it anymore i am so scared my family will break it 🤣
Bags in bags out, please for the love of god protect me hahaha
dusty pumice
Oh yeah i checked alot of cases so far
My eye falls on the TU-150 from lian li at the moment but my mind can take me to places, that i will just end up ordering 5 different products lol
Its gonna be a mix of holiday house computer, and acting as a computer for a home theater
Gonna get the green light from the wifey later this year to buy a full audio setup for both uses
😱
dusty pumice
Two biggest factors are it needs to be portable and lightweight if it has a glass panel it should be a easy replaceable thing but i can buy the TU150 closed too so that fits my needs perfectly
void perch
Oh dang that's a tint case Ludvig. My rack could hold like 100 of those
dense wasp
haha!
I'm thinking about going nuts and building a 3950x +2080ti in it.
will be a fun project
and then use it both as my build server, and testing rig
dusty pumice
Goodluck ludvig hope to hear more about it when its being build your always welcome to snap some pics and drop em here haha
dense wasp
for sure!
dusty pumice
We really do appreciate that kind of stuff around these parts haha
dense wasp
what are you planning to put in yours?
dusty pumice
Oh i don't know yet need to figure out my home situation first coming to computers and after that ill be able to see what kind of budget i have and what kind of parts i could buy
Its very possible that its gonna be one thing this year, a way more expansive thing next year
dusty pumice
Gotta put the BMW up for sale first, and get myself a good car for the long travel distance to my holiday house
dense wasp
that'be something Glass, if AMD send me one 😉
dusty pumice
The VR system o.o
dense wasp
btw groundus, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bzVdvmb4jCohQz0xPN1_3cLXCPvMkPmIPv28D7Cr7s8/edit#gid=1094936222
if you haven't seen that
it's from the sffpc subreddit
dusty pumice
oooh
Nice
Yeah i am not really into small form factor myself
But kind of am forced to do it since i don't want to be forced to carry around a 20 - 40 kilo giant
Whats this subreddit if i may ask ludvig
dense wasp
I haven't built a small form factor before actually,
I'm more of a Fractal Design S kind of person
dusty pumice
Fractal makes very good cases honestly
dusty pumice
Haha
dense wasp
I like the looks, clean, and silent
dusty pumice
I mean its good to support smaller company's as well
median moon
@dusty pumice amazingly holy hell
it boots in like 7 seconds and runs VR like a charm
haven't even gone into ryzen master or afterburner yet
worth every penny
dusty pumice
Good to hear glass hopefully you get to use the system for many more years!
median moon
can't wait to see how it runs with an Ampere card in it 👀
dense wasp
glass, was that the 3900x build?
median moon
3800x
dense wasp
ah
median moon
3900x seemed like a bit much for what i was doing
dense wasp
I've got 4 of those, building new systems at work :)
They seem sweeeet
median moon
very nice 👀
dense wasp
btw, @dusty pumice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Gv5VXRAT8
nice building 😉
dusty pumice
Oh shit that looks so good lol
vapid crypt
4 3900x or 4 3800x? Either way that's some good stuff 
median moon
4 3990x 😳
vapid crypt
9900k discussion of viability, and Radeon driver advice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehZLDh3I1Ls
woven oasis
Me and a friend seem to not be able to play with each other because it lags a lot, but when we play other things like CSGO our connections are just fine, we did speed tests and everything also fine, even our ping on discord is 20ms with 0% packet loss. Any ideas on what might be happening?
vapid crypt
Who's hosting the lobby?
vapid crypt
The connection is based on the host, are you both in the same region?
woven oasis
Yep
we're about 600km apart actually
but it's minimal, it's not like we're on different continents
vapid crypt
Unusual then, could also be based on quality of internet
woven oasis
We're gonna try restarting our routers again
I will be back with updates if it works
would you believe it
it fixed the problem
lmao
we tried this before but it didn't work, but now it's all smooth
jade ermine
@dense wasp
Friend is putting together system like this right now. Thought you might appreciate it😄
jade ermine
I believe he has 2700X and 1070 in it
Case is rather nice. raijintek ophion evo
Normal ophion does not have space for 240mm AIO on top like EVO does, But it's pretty compact package :D
pallid cedar
ugh, I bought a riser cable to mount my gpu vertically in my rig but my cooler is too big to let it fit. I'm rotted 😦
jade ermine
F
fleet canopy
Oof
pallid cedar
friggin massive Noctua coolers oof.
Oh well, I wouldn't trade my cooler for anything
keeps me idle at 28 degrees while pinned at 4.1GHz
jade ermine
D15 is chonk
pallid cedar
that it is
jade ermine
Big coolers gang
vapid crypt
Zalman released a pretty good cooler that beats the d-15... only problem is that they have some kind of proprietary fans and it has RGB on it so... not a fan pun intended 
jade ermine
Results vary with different reviews. Alpenföhn Olymp and Deepcool assassin 3 beat D15 in some reviews aswell
vapid crypt
If you saw the fins and overall structure, it kind of makes sense... but oh boy those fans
jade ermine
These windtunnel configurations are hilarious
@vapid crypt yea i don't like those digimon looking ass fans at all
vapid crypt
That's the kind of fan that if it breaks, you gotta send in an RMA request
Fuck that 
Well maybe I dunno how compatible the cooler is with other fans
Its gonna be a $70 cooler, so it has good value for competing with the D-15. Possibly beating it consistently from the review I've seen, need more data though
Better shot of the fin stack
vapid crypt
Zalman was known for making all copper coolers, but with really... interesting designs
jade ermine
This classic for example
vapid crypt
Yeah I don't even know how you replace the fan on that
median moon
my dude got the Jupiter cooler
jade ermine
@vapid crypt You remember scythe susanoo?
vapid crypt
No can't say I'm familiar with that
jade ermine
😄
vapid crypt
Did they see a tree and was like "Yeah that could work for a cooler design."
merry bay
that's amazing 
median moon
my dude put a biplane propeller on his motherboard
cooler the size of a suburban house
jade ermine
1.5KG aircooler
median moon
they need to remake that for AM4
i want a gigantic brick of a cooler that gets me 15°C idle temps
vapid crypt
Might be able to passive cool pretty effectively with something that size
jade ermine
It was very powerful cooler but not silent at all
median moon
if your CPU needed a cooler like that i don't think you were looking for "silent"
vapid crypt
It'll flex the motherboard while standing
median moon
seriously though i need to see one of those made for AM4/5
vapid crypt
Susanoo 2020 🤪
jade ermine
There is video where one overclocker uses that cooler with i7 990X
Wprime passed 4.8Ghz 1.462Vcore
median moon
wew lad
pallid cedar
that has to be for a server system or something running multiple cpus o.0 jaysus
vapid crypt
Nah
median moon
Hey guys, today we're going to be running the I9 10900K with the Scythe Susanoo
jade ermine
pretty old school stuff but it's impressive. I had that CPU lol
vapid crypt
Imagine trying to fit that fucking thing on a duo chip motherboad
median moon
aannd it still gets 75°C idle temps
vapid crypt
You wouldn't be able to of course
jade ermine
10900K will be fun one. Have fun playing around with it when not using high end cooler
median moon
10900K with a candy fan cooler
vapid crypt
It would run fine when it isn't boosting to 5.1ghz or whatever the fuck, but then at that point its too slow
jade ermine
9900KS is 5Ghz
median moon
understandable
vapid crypt
Technically they can all go over 5ghz, its all down to silicon lottery though
median moon
not the KS breh
vapid crypt
But KS allows all core 5ghz with no changes
jade ermine
with 10900K they went full AMD with boost algorithm i think
vapid crypt
Its not offering anything new really, its 4 more threads; boosts higher. Which sounds good except its the same architecture since 2015
jade ermine
It will sell like hotcakes for every die hard intel enhusiast
vapid crypt
Intel Fanboy Enthusiast
jade ermine
:D
I mean it will be in the same category as 3900X
outperforms it while being more expensive
Not very appealing
dead later same year when zen3 drops
median moon
yeah but like 3950X
jade ermine
3950X takes the win in multithreading heavy stuff hands down
median moon
3990X 👀
vapid crypt
Sure outperforming their second to the top consumer desktop chip. Really no different with how Radeon has only been competing with Nvidia's second to the top card ever since refreshing the 290x and Fury
jade ermine
Yea they can't really put better product out with 14nm anymore
median moon
intel needs to go 7nm or bust
jade ermine
10nm was supposed to come 2015 
vapid crypt
They only just started releasing 10nm products last year, and that was only mobile
So called Alder Lake is next year allegedly, yet another new socket
Good lord
jade ermine
I start paying attention to intel when they jump away from 14nm +++++++++
But in the other hand amd is going hard in the paint so i might just stick to them in the future too
My x570 board should take one more amd generation still
median moon
AMD is hauling ass lol
jade ermine
indeed
vapid crypt
They need to put money into Radeon though 
median moon
R4K is gonna devastate intel
then if they can buff radeon they'll be solid against nvidia
median moon
for now yeah
hopefully the driver issues are fixed come big navi
also, radeon = AMD eeveelution
jade ermine
Drivers have been ass for god knows how many years so im not feeling too optimistic lol
I rather go with nvidia offerings this year
median moon
a m p e r e
vapid crypt
They're not doing well with drivers right now, but I will say it is kind of exaggerated and not widespread. Like I haven't had a ton of issues personally
vapid crypt
Is that a 295x2?
jade ermine
Good old 6990😄
vapid crypt
Oh yeah that's pretty old
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid sorrel
Paperweight 
vapid crypt
But yeah they do a pretty good job of covering the cables
fleet canopy
I'm really not wanting to have SSDs on that side
merry bay
Which part's drivers are you aiming for? For obscure stuff or old parts it worked fine most of the time. (DriverEasy)
I'd look up the motherboard chipset drivers and gpu drivers separately. The rest works fine with the stuff that windows picks out... usually.
fleet canopy
Uhhhh
Honestly just update drivers from manufacture page
If NVIDIA, simple download from the GPU search, and has options for the best gaming update or whatever lol
If AMD or Intel on CPU, not sure
merry bay
If everything functions as expected, there's little reason to update drivers.
fleet canopy
I assume the same
eternal cairn
Anyone know of any software that can be used to search an indexed location for files matching a certain criteria (like 55 second audio files)?
merry bay
Even without indexing UltraSearch finds anything on my system in seconds.
Might not be the case on an HDD but miles better than windows search
it scans your entire MFT(master file table)
no need to rescan after
eternal cairn
But does it allow searching by audio length?
merry bay
Doesn't seem so, no. Can sort by file type or size. That's as close as it gets
dense wasp
hm,
I booked a 3950x yesterday,
let's see if I actually pick it up
it was down from $920 to $850
abstract kite
yes
urban gulch
Oh nice
Also hey ludvig.
I mosty use textcrawler for searching texts in files
pretty good, but i guess not what you looking for :p
scarlet jackal
need B1
old patrol
?t lfg
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old patrol
What in the fuck
real lichen
I think I just had a stroke because of that
old patrol
I had this happen to me once
real lichen
Thank god that it hasn’t happened to me
old patrol
Where my computer bugged out
real lichen
Feels bad man
cunning locust
how does this even happen
real lichen
I don’t know I haven’t seen this
old patrol
Something may be loose
real lichen
Just because you said that I should check mine I haven’t done it in a while
cunning locust
sometimes the pc just crashes black screen but the fans are spinning so is it just the screen or am i wrong
merry bay
that taskbar at the bottom seems okay, so doesn't seem to be screen related
cunning locust
not this time other times
brisk badger
"text crawler" said no linux user ever😁
fleet canopy
😎
late sorrel
Seems like the only hacking thing is WiFi pineapple
brisk badger
A script kiddie is not a hacker
Metasploit is great though and allows to create ur own scrpts. Worth checking out
late sorrel
yeah it seemed cool
median moon
a pineapple isn't even "hacking"
it just injects trojans onto anyone that connects to it
or... something of the sort, they're varied
brisk badger
Yes and no. Pineapple is a pen test suite per se. Hackers are usually sophisticated and do create their own hacks and dont take em from the iweb
It gives you a lot knowledge to play with these tools. Just remind youself to stay ethical correct 😁
Recently i installed a TLS bump proxy in my network. Basically it allows me to read all HTTPS traffic and decrypt it.
Was fun but very unethical if used with bad intension.
Some countries do this by the way. They decrypt all https traffic of their citizens...
median moon
eek
brisk badger
To add; you cannot just decrypt the traffic. Every browser will notice and block access. What the bad guy tries to do is to install the certificate on the victims browser
jade ermine
welcome to the jungle
fleet canopy
Hot
mystic ingot
@brisk badger Nice. I did a little research & studying of Wireshark & the such. I didn't get so far as to figuring out decryption automatically, but it's a fun tool. Data packets are interesting, how they travel & are communicated.
brisk badger
@mystic ingot Wireshark is great. it's the go-to tool for deep packet analysis. I still learn something about it when I use it.
About decrypting https: I would say it's impossible yet doable.
You can't decrypt https since it uses a very good set of cryptographic protocols which makes it maybe even for NSA impossible (probably not, I don't know).
But there is ways; for example a downgrade attack where you force the client to use an older, more insecure protocol (say ssl 2.0) and decrypt this. This would work if the server accepts the connection to this outdated protocol, which I think they often do.
Also what I tried with a TLS bump proxy would work but this requires the proxy to be somewhere before the router / behind the firewall and you have to install a self signed certificate on the client which brings legal and ethical questions into the room, as the user has to be aware of what's going on. Without the installing the certificate you can not read the traffic with the proxy. You can still do funny things like redirecting google search results to bing 😈 .
fierce vale
Wat
brisk badger
a refer to picture further up the chat. I thought it was funny
fleet canopy
:)
I mean, I guess it's because of the "Learn coding groups"
There was one of those servers
Just joined because I wanted to check it out lmao
mystic ingot
Oh very interesting indeed. Like a physical piece of hardware? Yeah, from what I gathered it's a pretty heavy grey area & I was mostly trying to learn out of curiosity as I like to understand how things work & I was pretty deeply captivated by what I had found, given my background with computer science & the such. I appreciate the clarification.
fleet canopy
Stayed only because it was some place to talk in
fierce vale
brisk badger
the proxy can be run from anything that runs preferably linux. It's a software. I install it on my router but it can be a server, a raspbery pi, anything really. It just has to physically intercept the connection from the router or switch to your devices. it's the easiest if it's installed on the router
crisp sage
Need some help relatively quickly.
My CPU seems to be capped at 1.36ghz when the base clock is 3.4ghz, it doesnt go bellow or above 1.36, games are somewhat unplayable now.
fleet canopy
Oof
crisp sage
It wont move.
Im installing a microsoft update, assuming microsoft fucked itself over with another update possibly, if not, I'm going to up the volts on it.
merry bay
Check through windows power settings and make sure your temps are ok first. Could just be clocking down due to heat or aggressive power savings.
crisp sage
Yeah, I'll give it a look soon
abstract kite
My best advice to you is if it can be helped wait until tomorrow when more people are active to help. If you are not careful in your BIOS you run the risk of Bricking your build.
crisp sage
yeahh...
fleet canopy
3990X apparently only supports up to 256GB RAM?
The fuck
While Intel's similar competition CPU can support up to 1-2TB of RAM
vapid crypt
Yeah I mentioned that when it was released
vapid crypt
Cause it only works with unbuffered dims
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
And the capacity is only so high
fleet canopy
As said in the video, a firmware update can fix that
vapid crypt
That's basically what I was saying
fleet canopy
So hopefully that happens
vapid crypt
Its the arbitrary method of segmenting it from EPYC
fleet canopy
So basically they don't want Ryzen to be much better than EPYC or what?
vapid crypt
TBH the 64 core threadripper is just to flex, but at the same time considering what EPYC offers while it is meant to be used for Servers; it could be utilized in a workstation if you wanted to. So the memory limitation must have been something they decided on to maybe upsell on EPYC for those that need more memory 
fleet canopy
So EPYC is just for servers is what you're saying pretty much, without any manual utilization
vapid crypt
No its primary market is for Server, but it could be used for workstation easily
fleet canopy
Ah
So it's a more expensive workstation CPU
Saying of, you're also saying the 3990X could be used as a server CPU then?
vapid crypt
Its designed to be a server cpu, but that doesn't prevent it from being used outside of that.
fleet canopy
Ah
brisk badger
@crisp sage did you solve your problem?
dense wasp
Still haven’t decided if I should pick my discounted 3950x up or not..
And make my small form factor killer machine
void perch
do it, you know you want to
abstract kite
Don't do it, Ludvig! Don't be tempted by the power of the dark side!
dusty pumice
How is one unable to decide on a discounted 3950x!
fleet canopy
Pick up the 3950X
:)
Discounted is better than the actual price
Unless it's like 10% discount
dark quarry
AMD is now the 'dark side'? I was unaware of this happening?
abstract kite
I seen something electronic for like 1% off the other day 
fleet canopy
Dark side for making the 3990X support 256GB RAM
abstract kite
AMD is "Unlimited Power"
fleet canopy
Har har har
abstract kite
Well besides the GPU
fleet canopy
Kek
Hasn't been looking too well
Hopefully their NVIDIA Killer is actually unlimited power
abstract kite
Nah. I hope it is as good as the thread ripper. Intel is waking up to the fact they have a contender, so they are going to keep prices at a competitive level.
fleet canopy
3990X is really damn good
But like, they limited the RAM support to 256GB
While one of the threadripper is 1TB support
Like that's a really big disadvantage tbh
abstract kite
I'm only running 16 GB of RAM...
fleet canopy
Having a big amount of RAM with a 3990X can be a huge advantage to people needing that RAM power
3990X honestly isn't your CPU for regular PC stuff haha
It's basically a limited threadripper
abstract kite
A bargain bin threadripper
urban gulch
I own parts of datacenter’s, i can’t place shitty servers with only 256 gb XD
like muppy said, big disadvantage
jade ermine
@rancid kindle If you need help feel free to DM me!
dusty pumice
^ Would recommend @rancid kindle
And good luck hope you figure it all out man i seen you having some issues you ran into = (
rancid kindle
Lol yeah hopefully this time i don't brick my motherboard
Built my brothers pc fine a few days ago
So hopefully i shouldn't mess things up here
My cpu cooler is being a pain in the *ss rn. No matter how tight it's still wiggly
How much of an issue is that
rancid kindle
Nope i triple checked
Right ones
These clips are impossibly irritating
Forget it I'm just putting the stock one back in
rancid kindle
It's all spinning but
Cpu light is on
Ugh
Ah man do i gotta take the cooler out and check the cpu pins
abstract kite
Oh no
merry bay
first boot can take an extra long while, just let it sit for a bit
vapid crypt
You did apply new paste right?
rancid kindle
Yeah
Cleaned off the old stuff
Bought new paste
Ok heres my problem rn
I found there was 1 bent pin
So i straightened it and it fits
But the little latch doesn't hold the cpu in
So when i go to screw in the cooler it just sticks to the bottom and pops out
And there's no way for me to tell
If its still in or not
When I'm screwing in the cooler
So I'm stuck rn
jade ermine
CPU should just fall on the socket on its own without any issues. You can give it a little wiggle to make sure it does not move, If it does move you have an issue
rancid kindle
Yeah it does but
The latch doesn't hold it in
So it just pops out when it sticks to the cooler
As i screw it in
abstract kite
What Processor are you using for which board @rancid kindle
Some Processors are bigger than others and requires a bigger socket.
The the Threadripper, for example.
late sorrel
wait why y'all calling the 3990x not a threadripper
it is a threadripper
you should be saying that it's a pocket server cpu
threadrippers are designed for "at workstation performance"
something the 3990x does decently
yes, it's a knock-off epyc cpu
abstract kite
That's beyond the point atm, Tainted.
void perch
@abstract kite got my 2 TB SSD and server. Here's the ssd
void perch
My NAS has 5x 10TB drives in it. Synology. It's really nice.
rancid kindle
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CQGz7T
@abstract kite thats my pc rn except
Thats my mobo
abstract kite
That's a great build @rancid kindle my friend also likes that same Case
Uhm I have the same Mobo
But I have a Ryzen 7 3800x
@void perch Oh gawd thats a big ssd
rancid kindle
Yeah but
What do i do
About the cpu
Just keep trying until it works?
Like i got this all in November
Been working since
I got a new cooler 3 weeks ago
When i put it in i somehow ruined my motherboard
void perch
it's sexy
rancid kindle
Sigh. Ima have to take to mobo out again
dense wasp
What’s not working ?
abstract kite
@late sorrel Who was calling the 3990X not a threadripper chip?
abstract kite
But... it is one tho.
The highest in the threadripper line
Kind of confused, but since I didn't read the conversation I'm not going to make assumptions on what was said
abstract kite
That's a miscommunication of terms
from what I can see
it is the best threadripper
But it is also a nerfed EPYC chip.
I don't think people realize how much 256GB of ram actually is
As an HEDT chip, and not a server chip, a 3990X is overkill. Only the "elite" could buy that.
and 256GB is no slouch either
I mean
The 3990X also has a higher clock speed than EPYC
so frequency bound applications should theoretically run faster on it
It's for a niche set of consumers, but calling it useless is silly
vapid crypt
Comes down to use case, If memory is more important than pure clock speed then spend a bit more for EPYC. IMO I think its kinda dumb that they nerfed the memory as much as they did since its nerfed enough as it is to be different from EPYC. Like even if it did support the same kind of memory EPYC does, then it would still only have a max cap of 2tb which is half as much as EPYC.
brisk badger
I would like to know a use case where a 3990x justifies the price. It's nice hardware but for what?
it's cool that it supports ECC, just saw now
void perch
Part of it is very specific use cases like those doing encoding or wanting server like processing power for consumer based pricing, part of it is just pushing the boundaries of technology
merry bay
On the other hand, they probably could make it function fine with more memory support, only it would invalidate some of their own products.
brisk badger
If you are willing to spend 4k for a CPU for encoding, then why no server cluster to rent or make yourself cheaper
As server, okay it can make sense
void perch
A server with those specs is like $10,000+
vapid crypt
They're marketing it toward prosumer serious graphic designers and what not
void perch
actually more like $15k
brisk badger
yea as server it can make sense. I wasn't aware of ECC support. 256GB Ram is also more than fine for most servers
but if you want to encode, I think you can come of far cheaper
We still live in a world run by single-threaded application
:p
void perch
cries at some of our single threaded apps at work
brisk badger
There was once an article on WCCFTECH (never trust that stupid site) where they were talking about "inversed hyperthreading". I was very hyped about. basically it should make singlethreaded application run on multiple threads. Was a big joke
https://wccftech.com/intel-inverse-hyper-threading-skylake/
here is the article 😤
merry bay
The headline having an allegedly should filter the entire article into the rumors bin
brisk badger
They may change the article. cannot remember the "rumor" tag
vapid crypt
Yeah, They love to write articles on rumors all the time. I want to say Videocardz is more reliable when it comes to rumor, typically they don't even write about them unless it comes from a reliable source.
late sorrel
yeah it;s a specific 'can I have power at my workstation' case
fleet canopy
Yeah, sorry for the mistake @abstract kite I forgot Threadripper is part of Ryzen. I got used to thinking Ryzen and Threadripper is separate, as Threadripper is pretty good for many things other than gaming, and Ryzen as mainly gaming/small stuff
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Wasn't your mistake. I was just confused lol
fleet canopy
Haha
abstract kite
looking pretty!
void perch
There's a lot more not pictured that needs to go in
Oh @abstract kite likes progress pics too
brisk badger
@void perch Was your Synology affected by the CPU issue? I had two of them I work with die. One after years, one after some months. Luckily RMA with Synology was good
THis is what I refering to: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11110/semi-critical-intel-atom-c2000-flaw-discovered
void perch
No it's been working beautifully
brisk badger
is it a DS1815?
I wouldn't count on that. Can happen any day if it's a Atom C2000 😛
void perch
DS3018xs
late sorrel
server
brisk badger
yea that's a newer box and has a better CPU
late sorrel
I love the power cables just dangling there
void perch
I have UPS at the bottom, power also at top (branches from UPS). Server will go in middle with the metal rails. Networking stuff will go at top and nas on bottom
rancid kindle
Sigh... its hopeless
Finally managed to get the cooler on without taking the cpu out of the socket
Turn it all on, seems fine. Cpu debug light still on
Nothing happens on screen
rancid kindle
..?
rancid kindle
Because apparently my old motherboard died
Ughhh but will that ruin the mobo?
Any chance
rancid kindle
Aight I'll try that in a bit
late sorrel
And keeping the settings
rancid kindle
I don't think that's the issue tho
late sorrel
yeah, take it out leave it for five minutes and put it back in
That was the issue for mine
rancid kindle
Pre sure my cpu just isn't sitting right
late sorrel
After all there’s literally no difference between our monos iirc
rancid kindle
I'm trying to straighten all of the pins
late sorrel
you have the tomohawk max right?
rancid kindle
Yep
rancid kindle
Because my cpu keeps popping out and sticking to the thermal paste on the ooler
And the first time I put it in I didn't know that
I thought the cooler was just misaligned so I tried to force the screws in
And ended up bending a few pins
The little latch doesn't hold my cpu in
It just pops out freely
late sorrel
Pretty sure you fucked it
And that’s an issue with ryzen chips
They’ll stick to the cooler
fleet canopy
Oh boy
void perch
Most of the way there. Have power and network going. Need longer cables to connect my PC and security camera, and need to add the server. But she works.
@abstract kite
abstract kite
oh lawd yes
void perch
@abstract kite look at how pretty she is. Server is mounted
fleet canopy
Hot
void perch
Thanks. She's not as loud while running but boot up is loud as fuck like a damn jet engine
abstract kite
My PC is the same way lool
F1 car on startup
then it quiets down to that of a cat
void perch
Most seem to be like that.
solar sable
🐻
brisk badger
it does a small fan test at boot
jade ermine
I just came here to press F for @rancid kindle CPU
vapid crypt
At least now you know that the stock thermal paste is crap, and will just stick to everything
jade ermine
and always wiggle the cooler off instead of pulling it straight out
quick turret
Ryzen
rancid kindle
Idec how much. Just gimme the best one
Thatsmy pc rn
Except with a tomahawk max motherboard
fleet canopy
3600 best gaming
sick reef
Best for gaming, 9900KS.
But it's just a slightly better 9900K.
If you go Ryzen, then yeah, 3900
vapid crypt
He already has a B450 board
sick reef
If there's a mobo on that list I'm fugged.
vapid crypt
Tomahawk Max
sick reef
Which gen is that.
vapid crypt
It supports 3000
sick reef
Yeah, but you'd have to update mobo, if it isn't specifically for it.
vapid crypt
No it comes with an updated Bios
sick reef
Then it's not an issue, then.
vapid crypt
That's what the Max boards are yeah
sick reef
Then the 3900X would be the better choice, I guess.
vapid crypt
I dunno if you could RMA the 3600, its possible
fleet canopy
He's not the kind to have the money for it
Just ask for a replacement on 3600, should be free
sick reef
He said he didn't care how much.
vapid crypt
If you can't RMA the 3600, then get whatever you can afford
fleet canopy
Has a 1650/1660
vapid crypt
Its all good
fleet canopy
Maybe, but what's he gonna use all 12 cores for?
sick reef
I don't know, he asked for the best.
fleet canopy
Exactly
sick reef
sick reef
That's not the best consumer chip for AM4.
vapid crypt
The best is 3950X
fleet canopy
3900X is way out of the question unless you actually will do something with it like streaming
Just not for gaming only
If he can pay for a 3600 or 3700X, then he could get himself a better GPU
vapid crypt
Its a fantastic multitasking chip for sure
fleet canopy
He's not gonna be doing streaming or any very heavy CPU load things
vapid crypt
Anyway I would say see if you can RMA the 3600 with AMD, if not replace it with the same cpu or upgrade to one of the 8 cores.
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Up to you with how much you want to spend
fleet canopy
It also gives room for other improvements on PC
abstract kite
So I was playing Modded Minecraft Last night with Google Chrome, Discord and Redeon Settings on in the background. Everything seems normal, but than the monitors start both going in and out with black screens. I quickly close Google Chrome and attempt to close Minecraft, it doesn't work. The screen now has little particle-like static of all different shapes and color and I force reboot my PC. This reboot takes much longer than usual, but comes on nonetheless and is working properly... Any ideas?
abstract kite
What kinda problems?
terse glen
like ive had this laptop has a gift for like 2-3 years, havent done anything too much for it
but i broke my pc so i depended on it for a while
but now when i try to play games or even start up chrome
and watch videos...the videos wont run smooth in 720 if its gaming or play games over 3-12 fps
im thinking its the graphics card but idk
in task manager it never exceeds 1-9% on the GPU
and it says GPU 0 idk if it should be 1 or wht
abstract kite
Well are you idling on your Desktop right now?
abstract kite
Open your Task Manager and go to... "Performance"
terse glen
there
abstract kite
Send a picture of your Task Manager.
terse glen
abstract kite
Send a picture of Memory
terse glen
and in my country pcs are expensive asf
abstract kite
Oof
terse glen
late sorrel
4GB of memory
terse glen
factory reset a option?
abstract kite
Yes, but if you can save what you have to a Backup Hardrive.
terse glen
i wont need anything
deep dew
intergrated gpu...hell no
terse glen
but i tried factory reseting but it said something went wrong and cancelled
deep dew
4gb too low. 3.8 in use you will be swapping like a mofo
abstract kite
Chrome eats 8 GB of my 16 GB
terse glen
they too expensive and i just broke 1 weeks back
fleet canopy
What was the problem with your PC?
terse glen
my fps dropped to less than 12 and i cant watch 720p vids anymore
deep dew
oh
abstract kite
Same difference... Kinda
deep dew
than i guess thats not a option lol
terse glen
ive been getting above 60fps on all my games idk what happened
terse glen
didnt play gtfo on my laptop did on pc tho
abstract kite
Your GPU might be getting ready to die.
sick dragon
what exactly crapped out on your desktop?
deep dew
also, to go above 60fps you would of neded a high refresh display...
fleet canopy
If GPU was getting ready to die
deep dew
so yeah, cant help a liar
late sorrel
your laptop sucks
deep dew
im out
fleet canopy
He'd see some crappy green symbol on the whole monitor
terse glen
?
fleet canopy
Damn the dude is blind asf
"Can't play GTFO!!!!"
Even after saying it was laptop and not PC
deep dew
gtx750 minimum id say...and even that would dip to bout 45-50
terse glen
@abstract kite what are the other options
fleet canopy
What is your PC specs @terse glen
abstract kite
@terse glen do into your search function and type in "System Information" open that application and send us a picture of that window.
But my honest suggestion is to BUILD a new PC. I know they are expensive, but it really is the best way and bang for your buck.
terse glen
deep dew
timothy...it will not run its that simple
fleet canopy
Do you know what your PC specs are? @terse glen
abstract kite
(For my blind ass)
abstract kite
Yeah.
fleet canopy
Just got to know what his PC specs pretty much
terse glen
if i factory reset...would the amount of ram usage go down?
fleet canopy
I mean, yeah
abstract kite
But you are gonna be in the same position soon enough.
fleet canopy
But tell PC specs .-.
fleet canopy
I thought windows 10 needed like 6GB lol
terse glen
im planing on buying a new pc or just get new parts for the one that i already had
fleet canopy
Windows 10 whatever is all 2GB min
abstract kite
Chrome eats 6-8 GB give or take how many tabs you have opened.
abstract kite
ITS A LAPTOP
deep dew
brisk badger
apps may allocate RAM in advance, if you have plenty
abstract kite
fleet canopy
HE SAID HE HAD A PC SHUSHG@
abstract kite
fleet canopy
Such a meanie
deep dew
in the RGB corner : keyyyboarrrd warrior 😛
can we just help the guy plz 😛
if he has a pc , what happened to it and what were the specs
half oar
weighing 600 pound!
abstract kite
In the RGB Corner we have the SSD with over 70 RGBs on it! This power house can destroy any rig with just a flip of a switch!
deep dew
lol
abstract kite
Guys I think we scared him off.
deep dew
nah, just facts. he wont be able to play modern games on that lappy
abstract kite
I blame LTT
half oar
ur computer have wirus?
fleet canopy
Why Linus, why?
deep dew
are you stoned payo ? you cant srting a sentance together or turn off caps:P
fleet canopy
Your Linus Sex Tech Tips didn't help!
late sorrel
I think TooooooooBad once asked about a rgb cpu
abstract kite
My computer does not gave a wirus... It has a UwUirus
sick dragon
he can't simply restore it from an image? or is it hardware issues with his desktop?
fleet canopy
Just gotta get some fluorescent paint
deep dew
he could flain , but he wanted to play gtfo on intergrated gpu and 4gb ram
when 3.8 was in use no less lol
not a chance 🙂
6th gen i3
fleet canopy
He didn't say he wanted to play on GTFO with laptop
sick dragon
ok there's no way that potatoe can play anything.. he might as well play solitare.. thats about as good as it'll get
fleet canopy
He just said why his laptop was pretty shit
deep dew
he said he gamed at 60+fps
sick dragon
he might have on his desktop
deep dew
not even possible unless you have high refresh display lol
half oar
but why did it crash, what happened
fleet canopy
And I can game on 60+ FPS with 60Hz monitor
half oar
otherwise its guessing work
fleet canopy
Because FPS and Hz is different
sick dragon
was it hardware or software?
fleet canopy
Yes
deep dew
yeah with vsync off
abstract kite
Muppy he was in a Laptop not a PC
deep dew
tear city
deep dew
pc or lappy can disable gsync and screw your eyeballs lol
abstract kite
Yes, but he was on a Laptop
merry bay
@deep dew Your monitor doesn't matter, you can have high framerates.
Only with Vsync you're automatically locked to your minitor's refresh rate
half oar
but u will not see them frames
sick dragon
if he's having issues and it's hardware perhaps it's as simple as reseating everything.. if it's software.. wipe it clean and reinstall..
half oar
pointless
deep dew
yes you can , but your 60hz monitor will only display 60 of em
merry bay
Not pointless, it matters for input delay. Mostly negligble, but not pointless
just pointing out that saying he can't have 60+ is wrong
half oar
maybe for games like c.s etc
fleet canopy
Because then you know your PC can run the game at set resolution with graphics setting
deep dew
i said in gtfo on that lappy
fleet canopy
Unless it was some old shit monitor that's pretty ass compared to newer ones
sick dragon
engines for the games themselves aren't the same.. it may run one way on one game but differently on another..
fleet canopy
Like using a car racing game engine to make some bank robbery game
deep dew
and no..its not wrong
if you disable gsync how many frames is your 60hz monitor drawing ?
merry bay
you specified that there's a need for a high refresh display to have more than 60 fps.
deep dew
your gpu could be drawing 200.. monitor displaying only 60
for input lag..diffrent story
deep dew
but lets face it anyone blaming the loss on a extra 2ms input lag sucks anyway
fleet canopy
FPS and refresh rate is different
deep dew
yes muppy, and the point stands mr cut and paste
abstract kite
deep dew
your 60hz MONITOR will only draw 60 frames
gpu can do whatever it wants
monitror will tear
abstract kite
Anyone want some popcorn?
fleet canopy
So stop saying that no one can do more than 60FPS on 60Hz
half oar
less imput like at more fps but shitloads of tearing
deep dew
what is a frame muppy ?
is it displayed on the monitor or the gpu ?
your monitor cvan only refresh 60 times a second
fleet canopy
I know that
deep dew
thats why its 60hz
deep dew
oh my fucking god.....
loool
what is a frame muppy
where do your eyeballs see the frame
fleet canopy
You are literally saying anyone can't do any more than 60FPS on a fucking 60Hz
deep dew
at the gpu or the monitor
merry bay
the game can render and update faster than your monitor can though. That's what matters
deep dew
yes that is correct, thats what i am saying
yes it can hpatcher
but you only SEE 60 frames
fs omg this is a help forum >
sick dragon
most common monitors are 60hz.. you can do more than 60.. it's all about the detail of the frames that make the difference
merry bay
Then you're contradicting yourself right now
fleet canopy
You said that you couldn't run more than 60FPS on a 60Hz monitor
deep dew
you will only see 60
fleet canopy
Not see
fleet canopy
Couldn't run
merry bay
you just agreed that the game can render at higher than 60fps
fleet canopy
:)
abstract kite
Hey guys. I am no Mod, but this channel isn't meant for arguing.
deep dew
will tear like a bastard
abstract kite
deep dew
rendering mid screen update
sick dragon
your right.. it does bottle neck.. but depending on the rendering settings.. when you get to a certain point you get screen tearing..
late sorrel
All right guys I’m gonna call the police
merry bay
so don't say the game can't run above 60fps, when what you mean is not see above 60fps
vapid crypt
There's an argument?
late sorrel
You literally agree with each other
late sorrel
Just stop 🔫
deep dew
that point is 61fps 😛
abstract kite
Agree to disagree and let it be.
fleet canopy
Agreements are all correct, your way of saying it is shit
small magnet
ah sweet. how can i contribute to this one
deep dew
for a 60hz monitor
abstract kite
Calm down Muppy 
late sorrel
What do you guys think of rgb strips
sick reef
Hz and FPS are not synced.
merry bay
we're just arguing semantics. But i think saying things correctly matters
fleet canopy
RGB strip could be good for me if I wanted pink/cyan
deep dew
corrrect labcat, and when they are not, tearing occurs
sick reef
No.
deep dew
or when its higher than refresh sorry
sick reef
No.
abstract kite
I think the thermal paste goes under the CPU, right?
fleet canopy
Yeah
half oar
lopl
fleet canopy
Put mayonnaise on the socket
vapid crypt
Absolutely
fleet canopy
Alarm clock? No one said anything about it
sick reef
When the back buffer loads a frame into the front buffer when the screen is rendering a frame.
Graphics card*
abstract kite
@sick reef 
vapid crypt
Clockspeed, what's that like a clock with wheels or somefin'? 🤪
deep dew
you are talking bout triple buffering
sick reef
Ain't gonna have a silly conversation where both are approximating instead of talking about what it is. 
I'm talking about a screen rendering a frame.
deep dew
than dont
abstract kite
What about quad buffering?
sick dragon
could heat be an issue here.. I know the video card and the computer in general can slow down when things heat up enough
fleet canopy
On the meantime this argument happens, anyone care to donate a working 2560x1440p 144hz monitor?
half oar
nope
fleet canopy
FUck
abstract kite
@sick dragon yo are correct about that. To much heat will slow down your PC if not crash it outright. If your GPU gets way to hot sensor will activate and shut down your PC to prevent over heating.
Well gpu damage
deep dew
so enable vsync and keep the heat down lol
half oar
lmao
abstract kite
I can't enable that on my my GPU
sick reef
Look it up, and try and not feel to stupid about it.
fleet canopy
It's about your airflow
deep dew
100% load should never mean overheat. if it does your cooling is rubbish
fleet canopy
And whether your card is a crappy fucking blower or fan
abstract kite
Its a micmxtureof both.
deep dew
dont need to look it up. omg so many people with supiriorty complexes lol
sick dragon
I had heat issues with my video cards in the past.. each time it would have a frame drop.. nvidia cards would flicker the monitor and reset it self.. mind you I did update the drivers.. and finally reseated the damn thing.. I think it was a matter of it being loose..
fleet canopy
Your fans may not have worked, yeah
half oar
my 1080 ti died from vaping 🙄
sick reef
No, really.
fleet canopy
Not all, if only one ran
sick reef
Look up how rendering frames work.
And think for two seconds why the method you were talking about was called tripple buffering
deep dew
whats that got to do with refresh rate
if i plug my dreamcast into a monitor , it only has one buffer
buffers are nothing to do with it
abstract kite
LTT guy I hate to say it, but you are toxic.
fleet canopy
Linus is toxic???!?!!?!?
abstract kite
Lol, sure.
fleet canopy
I must not allow his sex tips to harm my pc!!111!@!1
deep dew
im toxic because i dont agree sure.. why not
abstract kite
Lmao
abstract kite
@fleet canopy 
deep dew
so being called toxic is not personal
ok
lol
so whats the refresh rate of a ps2 on a tv ?
fleet canopy
Excluding that, if that's how you see it
sick dragon
has the problem been solved or are we creating new ones? lol
deep dew
does it depend on the buffers on the emotion engine gpu ?
abstract kite
New one
merry bay
Either you have poor choice of words or you don't understand the topic you're giving tips on. No need to get grumpy if people point out things that aren't true
fleet canopy
What's the refresh rate of a ps2 on a tv, hm
vapid crypt
I'm lost and confused