#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

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median moon
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fair

strong whale
vapid crypt
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Heh, yeah I was talking about 6 core Xeons you can find on Ali Express specifically phaWesker

strong whale
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just sad that a 28 core xeon still retails like $9000 on amazon.com

median moon
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intellll

strong whale
void perch
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@strong whale you know, funny that you mention that CPU

strong whale
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oh?

void perch
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My work is considering upgrading from dual xeons w/ 18 cores each to that exact cpu, dual xeons with 28 cores

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in 80 servers

strong whale
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eek

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if xeons weren't so overpriced they would still be relevant with threadripper 3000 series, other than price xeons are still great processors

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i mean even the high end 10th gen processors got a price slash by 50% which went to show how much price gauging took place

void perch
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I'm getting this server soon, going to be fun setting it up.
Dell PowerEdge R730XD Server | 2X E5-2660v3-2.60GHz=20 Cores | 192GB RAM

strong whale
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ohh

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what will the server be running?

void perch
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will be hypervision as a core, then a bunch of VMs

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split between prod and dev, a few SQL servers for replication and failover, one VM for my plex media server

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running some web services like bamboo, jira, confluence, grafana, some websites i have

strong whale
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Gonna be honest idk what some of the acronyms here even stand for lmao

void perch
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their a bunch of developer tools. most of the OS's will be unbuntu, with a windows OS for a media center

strong whale
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so pretty much certain partitions of the server will be running different servers and tasks?

void perch
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yup

strong whale
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interesting, never even looked up what setting up a server is like, all i know is that when they have problems the fun ends

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a physical server that is

void perch
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heh.. yeah i do production support at work so my job is to keep about 300+ servers working for a high profile application

strong whale
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damnn

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are you usually just doing maintenance or do you help out in other areas too?

void perch
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so we have dev teams that create the applications, but our production support team does the setup/installation/support of it all. so making sure they don't run out of disk space, or memory, restarting services/apps or the servers to keep them healthy, monitoring logs, preventative maintenance and monitoring to detect issues/prevent them.

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then of course if something does break, fixing it or engaging the dev teams to dig into the apps code or writing new code to prevent a bug in the future, etc.

strong whale
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ahh so this isn't the only dev team you work with

void perch
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talking about GTFO?

strong whale
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yeah

void perch
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ahh.. gtfo is all personal. I do it on my free time outside of work. my day job is what I've been describing above.

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the server I mentioned getting (20 core, 192 GB ram) is a personal server

strong whale
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20 core?

void perch
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yeah the server will have 20 CPU cores. Like most peoples home computers have between 4 and 6 cores.

strong whale
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i thought what you had is 18 core xeon and upgrading to dual 28 core or something

void perch
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That's the servers at work

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my personal server will have 20 cores

strong whale
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ah ok

median moon
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everything is here at last

dense wasp
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The amount of time and effors d0cs puts in to this server makes it seem like he does this full time though @strong whale

void perch
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sometimes I feel like it's a 2nd job

median moon
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@void perch @dense wasp 🤗

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dual hug

void perch
dense wasp
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😄

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the amount of pressure I put him under makes it feel like a full time job 😉

void perch
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it's not.. that bad 🙂

abstract kite
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😏

abstract kite
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I've heard of people 3d printing mouse shells.

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Wonder if I should get a dude to do it for me

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Yeah no thanks dude.

median moon
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no lol

tardy tinsel
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That box looks massive Next to the temperature regulator

desert oxide
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is this channel exclusively for pc building tech or can i ask a question about an issue i got?

late sorrel
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both

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it's just pc shit in genera

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l

desert oxide
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cool

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well i get a ton of blue screens so...

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that's an issue

late sorrel
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uh

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switch to linux

void perch
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you can chat about that here

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this is like pc anything

desert oxide
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cool

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any ideas?

late sorrel
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install corrupted?

void perch
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what's the bsod code?

desert oxide
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had a guy in match the other day ask for the stop code etc. and said its a wireless driver issue

void perch
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can check event viewer to get that if you didn't write it down

desert oxide
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whats that

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got a pic

void perch
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Netwtw06. sys is Intel wireless driver

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Yeah, update your drivers

desert oxide
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how do i do that

void perch
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what's the make and model of your pc

late sorrel
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type 'device manager' into the windows thing

scenic oracle
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^

desert oxide
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i've been a console player my whole life so pc talk is alien to me

scenic oracle
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ok

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so

desert oxide
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lemme see if i can find out

scenic oracle
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press the windows key and type device manager

late sorrel
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you want 'network adapters'

desert oxide
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all i now is its an Acer Nitro 5 laptop

late sorrel
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hit 'update driver'

fleet canopy
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Windows updater?

late sorrel
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on all of them

fleet canopy
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H m

void perch
scenic oracle
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oh yeah

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that's a thing you could do

void perch
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Go here, search for drivers

desert oxide
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a vid i watched also had that qualcom thing and reinstalled that

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am i just missing something?

scenic oracle
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probably not

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go ahead and click the link from D0c and you should be able to find the network drivers you're looking for

void perch
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on the bottom of the computer can you look for the full model

desert oxide
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like underneath?

void perch
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it'll look something like these

desert oxide
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oh

void perch
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yeah on a label somewhere

desert oxide
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lemme look

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AN515-54-51M5

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that it?

void perch
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yup

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Download that and run the installer, let me know if it installs, which should update your wireless driver

desert oxide
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alright it installed

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and i restarted

void perch
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awesome, then all we can do is wait and see if you get more blue screens

desert oxide
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cool, thx for the help!

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i'll be here again if it happens

snow hamlet
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okay i have a ? my cpu/gpu are running at 99% sometimes and i have to restart pc in order to get them to go to lower then 15% what could be causing them to do that (when it does games and stuff even youtube get laggy) also drivers are uptodate 32gb or ram btw

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Please ping if u respond to this Thanks for the help in advance

vapid crypt
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@snow hamlet Did you check task manager to see what might be using cpu/gpu resources?

median moon
fleet canopy
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Nice nerf

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Now when are you gonna build it lol

median moon
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over the weekend

abstract kite
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I had that one in the far right

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I gave it to my brother because he was going to a nerf war

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Everyone wanted him on their team because they only had tiny little nerf pistols vs chad nerf lmg.

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@median moon DUDE I'M SO EXCITED FOR YOU

median moon
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@abstract kite the vulcan is ironically one of the most god awful nerf guns i've ever owned

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i could throw a nerf dart more accurately than it could shoot one

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@abstract kite only took like 3 months but here we are FaceThing

abstract kite
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It took three months for me to get my system finally working haha

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Again

primal herald
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take the nerf guns and build it out of them XD

abstract kite
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if you hev questions

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feel free to ask

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:3

median moon
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Nerf gun case

abstract kite
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We're all rooting for ya here

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Ryzen users chanting:
one of us!
one of us!
one of us!

primal herald
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imagine someone distracts you so you shoot them with the case

median moon
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that actually

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hrm

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i actually have a sick idea for a case

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it's like any other, except you can open the side panel to reveal a universal holster for firearms.

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in case of emergency to the extreme

primal herald
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ah yes

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the new hidden weapon

late sorrel
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WAIT WE GOT ANOTHER RYZEN USER??

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HELL YEAH

abstract kite
median moon
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a month ago i was deadset on an i9.. lol

abstract kite
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The 3800X will serve you well

median moon
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2 months pass

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ight guys my 3990x arrived

abstract kite
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LOL

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I just want to afford a 3950X

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My 3700X treats me well already tho

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so I don't see a need for one just now

primal herald
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i know im behind with my 2700x but its still pretty good

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im just mad i got it right before the 3000 series came out without thinking

abstract kite
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2700X is still a good chip

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You could probably upgrade to a 3000 series chip for cheap when 4000 drops this year

strong whale
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3700x isn't that much better for the most part, just better power efficiency, takes advantage of faster memory, etc, but for game performance and such it isn't a massive difference for the most part

primal herald
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true but im probably upgrading my gpu first considering im still running a 570 8g

strong whale
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like 10-15% better game performance usually

abstract kite
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@primal herald whuts ur budget

primal herald
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rn nothing cause of college but in a couple months im thinking of a 5700xt or 2070 super

abstract kite
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@primal herald wait for RTX 3000 to be announced

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and see it's performance

primal herald
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yeah im just hoping that with the release of the 3000's the 2070s may drop a little below the 5700xt. if its vastly better then id think abot getting a 3000 card

median moon
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dont get AMD GPUs in their current state

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holy balls they are more inconsistent than rainbow 6 hitreg

strong whale
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Nvidia can drop prices any time they want, but with no competition in the high-end (yet), they have no need to sadly

strong whale
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yep, here we are today with only two major competitors, not counting intel just yet

snow hamlet
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@vapid crypt yes at times it would be the game and at times it would be youtube and or google and times it would be discord so not to sure whats going on

strong whale
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in the graphics market that is

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intel is struggling to migrate to 7nm as is

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for the better part of 2020 intel will just be AMD's punching bag, everything amd gains is a loss for them

median moon
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goodbye intel 🎷

stark plover
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intel? more like bad-tel

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hahahhaha i did a funny

late sorrel
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wooooo

vapid crypt
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@snow hamlet That's rather unusual, have you tried scanning for Malware?

sick reef
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Brand loyalty. huhu

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Product loyalty haha

stiff rock
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anybody who can suggest which motherboard would fit into a setup with i9-9900k and 2080ti?

fleet canopy
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Hm

brisk badger
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InfiniteXpositionToday at 7:24 AM
@Voxel Unfortunately company's like ATI and 3DFX have since gone out of business the graphic's processor landscape was far different in the late 90's and early 2000's.

@abstract kite just FYI: AMD has bought ATI in 2006..

fleet canopy
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What size? ATX? EATX? ITX? @stiff rock

stiff rock
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i'm quite ignorant on such topic, all i know is that the rig i'll make in a while will have those 2 components. I was going step by step to have an IDEA on what i want, and after that talk with a tech guy and go from there @fleet canopy

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and yea, third step was the motherboard, which i'm still informing myself about

fleet canopy
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That’s all you know? Haven’t planned anything else?

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There’s always some benefit from motherboards you could use

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Or if you want to get 32GB of RAM cause why not

stiff rock
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oh yea, i do want 32gb of ram

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and SO far yea, cause from what i've heard, the motherboard should be the third component you pick

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i could easily be wrong doh

fleet canopy
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With a mention of CAS16 and 3200MHz at least

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Preferably yeah

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It is always second or third

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Because having it first means you can’t choose the exact CPU you want it you just picked a random board

stiff rock
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just to be sure, ASIDE looking at how much ram, MHz power and if it can fit an i9, do i need to check anything else?

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again, just to have a vague idea. Whenever i'll be building it, i'll go to a shop with people that are licensed about those things

fleet canopy
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CPU cooler is a pretty easy choice unless AIO, could research it a bit to find a good one

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Case will have to be big enough to fit your 2080 Ti and motherboard

brisk badger
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wait what, you can get license for pc building

fleet canopy
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I mean, probably?

stiff rock
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I just mean people that do it as a job

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you know, those tech shops

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and i think you can, yea

fleet canopy
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At least you know you aren’t doing it with a clueless fool haha

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But I don’t think you need a license for that

brisk badger
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had to work in those shops for some time. did not get any licensing 😢

fleet canopy
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Yeah it’s something anyone can learn and is pretty safe

stiff rock
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to be fair, yea

fleet canopy
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You could too. Benefits in fun and cheaper option

brisk badger
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that could be your task, find some mainboards you like and present them here. some people can give their opinion about

fleet canopy
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What you’ll want is a board with Z390 chipset

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Unless it’s another letter, but I’m fully certain it’s Z390

stiff rock
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ty, i'll be doing my researches on that

brisk badger
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I also have a problem. For a longer time now, whenever i boot my pc, it has the error code 98. I then reboot and it works fine. it's still annoying to always boot twice. What could it be. error code 98 doesn't really tell much on the web

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I thought my ram defunct because I had expierence access violation and assumed it would start becoming defect. But I switched the ram now and same issue 😦

fleet canopy
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Error codes is somewhat a joke because it tells us literally almost nothing pretty much

brisk badger
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finally someone 🙏 unless it's like error 00 then I fully agree

fleet canopy
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Error 00?

brisk badger
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dead cpu

fleet canopy
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Ah, that’s neat to know at least

brisk badger
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well I am not right I just saw. people solved it with bios reset

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should I try downgrading bios maybe?

fleet canopy
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Maybe the OS website has some pdf of error codes or a list of it

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Updating it might be a good option

brisk badger
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it's an old mainboard; Asus maximus VII hero

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i have the latest bios, and I remember this has started around with the newest bios

fleet canopy
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See about using the second last

brisk badger
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asus has amazing bios changelogs:

2018/04/265.56 MBytes
MAXIMUS VII HERO BIOS 3503
Beta BIOS

2017/03/035.55 MBytes
MAXIMUS VII HERO BIOS 3201
Improve system stability

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one line changelogs 🙄

fleet canopy
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Wow that’s so amazing!

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That’s like, the most detailed changelog I’ve ever seen

brisk badger
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guess I try the non-beta one 🤷

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oh and about flashing:
Funny story how I killed a machine during flashing

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I have a IP power switch. This switch does manage the power of your devices. It is intelligent and can sense if your device is online or offline. So when I flashed my bios it is "offline" because no internet connection. My power switched realized this and fucking restarted the machine while flashing. ofc it got bricked. Luckily it has 2 bios 🙏

fleet canopy
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Damn

brisk badger
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it was very dumb on my side

regal laurel
cunning locust
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Fellow gamers my friend got a new pc and his cpu is kinda overheating

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with only 3% use

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how

merry bay
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The screenshot shows the CPU in heavy use though.

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In any case, check if the CPU fan is working

fleet canopy
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Also try another program like default windows 10 system info or CanIRunIt program, it gives more information

regal laurel
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Are there 4GB DDR4 sticks?

void perch
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is the heatsink properly attached to the cpu for cooling?

strong whale
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omg 93c that cpu is gonna get fried

jade ermine
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Cooler installation probably failed somehow. Tell him to remount it

merry bay
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would the temps get that bad from forgetting the sticker Thonk

sick reef
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What sticker.

merry bay
jade ermine
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Yea forgetting that would cause it for sure

sick reef
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That would indeed make temps ass.

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Forgetting it would be impressive, in a bad way

rancid kindle
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Lmao my pc is still in the shop

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Says its definitely the motherboard, he's seeing if its fixable or not

vapid crypt
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Motherboard... hmmm

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I'm pretty sure MX-4 isn't conductive so I don't believe that would have been the cause of the motherboard failing

median moon
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building my pc today . . .

pallid cedar
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@merry bay the fact there is no thermal paste is even worse than leaving the sticker on it :/

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@brisk badger error 98 isn't a major error, it is an error pertaining to usb/peripheral inputs like your mouse/keyboard while booting up

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try booting without anyhting plugged into your mobo

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peripheral-wise

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otherwise, clear CMOS and possibly reflash BIOS

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@merry bay also, if that pic is the actual cooler, those heatpipes are garbage 0.o
they need to be flat to cover more surface area with no air pockets (hence why thermal paste is used to fill microvoids in the cooler. But one of those pipes is stuck out beyond the others badly

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@median moon Hype 😄

sick reef
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Yeah, that's kinda weird.

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Why isn't it flat

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Either 3 pipes are off, or 1 is.

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Maybe it's just a stock image.

abstract kite
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I wonder if anyone ever used a car radiator for water cooling

sick reef
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Probably, I have considered it myself

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Wouldn't be too difficult to setup.

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But preferably, you mount it on the outside with couplings.

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You pull acrylic inside, convert, or not, the 3/4 into M16/M22, then put a frameconnection through the case, and a quick release on the outside, and then use rubber cables from the outside, or just soft plastic.

abstract kite
sick reef
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Prop up the radiator in a way that can detach, and you're kinda done.

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Remember you'll need a ton of liquid.

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I guess you could even more technically, albeit illegal, prop up a car AC, connected to an electrical pump, to cool the radiator itself.

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You could even place the original fan between them.

pallid cedar
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@sick reef from the looks of the photo the other 3 pipes seem flush with each other, though as you said it could be a stock photo and not even the actual cooler in use.
Didn't Jayztwocents use a full-sized chiller filled with ice water and a fan one time? lol

merry bay
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@pallid cedar that photo was just a random pic from the internet to illustrate the sticker in question

pallid cedar
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@merry bay gotcha

vapid crypt
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I remember seeing Timmy Joe use snow to cool a 9900k that was something phaWesker

abstract kite
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Alright @desert oxide if you want to take a screenshot and send us it we can see what kinda hardware you have.

desert oxide
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what do you want a pic of

abstract kite
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The "System Information" you typed into your search bar for Windows 10.

desert oxide
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this?

abstract kite
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Yep

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And i5 Processor, not terrible, not bad. It says its a 64-Bit Operating System.

desert oxide
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yeah i think so

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had a few games make me install 64 bit java

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or is that something different

abstract kite
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Motherboard is a Octavia_CFL

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Never heard of it... One sec..

vapid crypt
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Well of course not, its a laptop motherboard

abstract kite
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It is a pretty pricy Mobo I'll give it that.

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$256 and DD4 for RAM

desert oxide
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whole thing was around $1100 i believe

abstract kite
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Its a micro-ATX

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I wonder what your GPU is...

desert oxide
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GTX 1650 i think

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unless im thinking of somethin else

abstract kite
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That is a pretty nice card.

desert oxide
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that right?

abstract kite
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Yep that's right.

strong whale
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1650 is your discrete gpu, uhd 630 is your processor's integrated graphics

abstract kite
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So what, she has two GPUs inside the laptop?

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The GTX as a Main Display while the other handles Background tasks?

strong whale
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a lot of intel processors have integrated graphics, amd has a few aswell like the 3400g

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so basically it can run some games in the absense of a gpu

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on very low settings of course

desert oxide
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thats good yeah?

abstract kite
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It is.

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You could have built a Rig around the same price too.

desert oxide
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never had the space for a full desktop

abstract kite
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Ah

strong whale
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you don't need a mid tower or anything

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you can go lower form factor than that

vapid crypt
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ITX as a form factor solves any space issue

strong whale
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lmao yeah

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tiny af

vapid crypt
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Actually hell even Micro could have minimal space if you find the right kind of case

strong whale
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micro atx for slightly better clearance

abstract kite
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Oh yeah I remember those... Linus has several videos about super small builds that can sometimes out compete huge builds.

strong whale
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a rough idea

desert oxide
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hey, so can you hook up some tower stuff to a laptop and just extend what you can do?

abstract kite
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No.

strong whale
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if you mean using the laptop as a monitor then possibly

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otherwise no

desert oxide
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why not?

vapid crypt
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Only thing that desktop and laptop have in common is storage basically

strong whale
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because laptops have completely different mobos, cpus, ram, everything

vapid crypt
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They both use SATA/M.2 for SSDs and what not

desert oxide
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ah

strong whale
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every processor you see today like for example the 3750x is actually Zen and not Zen 2 and has only 4 cores instead of 8

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these are the laptop variants

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although the upcoming 4000 series 4800H from AMD is going to revolutionize the laptop industry if all goes well

abstract kite
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Can she harvest the GPU out of the Laptop if she wanted to?

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GPUs nowadays are hella expensive.

vapid crypt
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Well its not the same as a desktop graphics card

strong whale
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technically but it will have no card with it which means no cooling

abstract kite
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Shame

strong whale
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literally just the board and die with a fan

vapid crypt
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Its literally the GPU, it might be soldered on

strong whale
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Honestly just wait until Q2 and see what NVIDIA and AMD have waiting for us, Ampere and Big Navi are coming this year

vapid crypt
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Actually I'm not sure if they use pcie or something else phaSheva

abstract kite
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I'm getting a 2070 Super for my next build and that one component is just below half of the rest of my components combined.

strong whale
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that's normal for a pc build

abstract kite
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It hurts lol

strong whale
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you mean...

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it

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hertz

abstract kite
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GTFO

vapid crypt
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Fawk Yeah 🤪 that's a good one phaWesker

strong whale
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now this hertz

abstract kite
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2070S is a phenomenal card

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@desert oxide your Laptop is good, but for future reference a Micro-ATX Form Factor Case is great and cheaper-ish plus you get experience building a Computer and that is so fun.

strong whale
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5700xt or 2070S, both amazing cards

abstract kite
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The 5700xt has stability issues with its drivers. Other than that it is a great card.

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You could get a 5700 and do a XT bios flash :3

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You don't have all the power stages but it's actually really sick

desert oxide
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i'll keep that in mind thx

abstract kite
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I don't want to risk bricking my build.

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Bios flashes are sketch

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but hey

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open source hardware

strong whale
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5700ecksdee

abstract kite
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AMD released software to help with Bios Flashing and it almost bricked on of the reviewers computers.

vapid crypt
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There's a number of models that come with 2 bios with a switch to toggle between them

abstract kite
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That's why I said it was sketch Galerus

strong whale
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thank god for it too because it saves motherboard's lives when something goes wrong while updating the BIOS

abstract kite
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Hmm....

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How much is a 2080 Super? Is it worth the price?

vapid crypt
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Uh starts at 699

abstract kite
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2070 Super is 599

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499*

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The Nvidia one.

strong whale
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2080 super for like 10% better performance over 2070 super for like $200 CAD more, no thanks

vapid crypt
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Right, and considering that the 2080 Super doesn't have any more Vram that's pretty lame. I know it isn't everything, but its barely any faster; and like just a bit behind the TI

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Only thing bottlenecking it is the memory

strong whale
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which even then memory can be overclocked a lot on high end graphics cards + it affects performance more than core clocks

abstract kite
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So a Titan would be better?

vapid crypt
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Uh... I mean technically its better but at twice the price of the 2080ti while only being barely 6% faster in games anyway. At that point its value is for workstation with its memory bandwidth

strong whale
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oh i forgot that crap existed

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that card only exists to make the 2080ti look like a good deal

abstract kite
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Is the 2070 Super good as a Work Station and Gaming Card?

strong whale
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yes

vapid crypt
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Sure thing

abstract kite
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Alright

strong whale
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i have a 2060 and it peforms like a beast for rendering

pallid cedar
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I mean, people still use gtx 970's in workstation rigs soooo lol

strong whale
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cough GTFO devs

vapid crypt
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You can use anything, the length of time is just hardware dependent phaWesker

abstract kite
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I'm probably gonna shelf my 5700xt and get a new GPU

pallid cedar
#

I use a 2060

strong whale
#

if you still have a 5700xt keep it

#

don't upgrade till late 2020

abstract kite
#

True

pallid cedar
#

the RTX 3000 line is coming soon

strong whale
#

Big Navi too

pallid cedar
#

that too yeah

abstract kite
#

I'm annoyed I can't use any of the enhancing features of the 5700xt without risk of it crashing.

strong whale
#

oh like image sharpening and such?

abstract kite
#

Yep

strong whale
#

is this since the adrenaline drivers came out or something it's had that issue?

abstract kite
#

THE DEVS EVEN SAY IT'S BETTER TO TURN THEM OFF

#

Like wtf

strong whale
#

it's post processing, it adds extra tasks for the gpu while already under load

vapid crypt
#

I don't turn that stuff on anyway, not usually worth it for most use cases even if it does work

strong whale
#

so far amd's gpu features are mostly useless, more or less just a "because we can" type thing

vapid crypt
#

They need to overhaul their staff with regards to their software, and focus on more important features. Like the encoder is literally unusable, so I've heard.

strong whale
#

oof

#

never checked out encoding benchmarks on it yet, probably just unstable quality or something i would assume

vapid crypt
#

Oh no its just unstable

#

Quality doesn't even enter into it

strong whale
#

CPU is always better for maintaining quality and stability anyways, most 8 core cpu's today will cut it

#

3900x and 3950x i think can easily handle slow preset on obs

vapid crypt
#

For sure, don't really know the differences between the two. I suppose there are pros and cons, one thing I do know is that NVENC didn't get really good until they overhauled it with Turing.

strong whale
#

Even with turing there's noticable quality loss when streaming for rapid movement, distant text, fine details, etc

#

I still believe in x264, just have a decent cpu and you're good to go

vapid crypt
#

it was popular before since everyone has been using quad cores for over a decade. So you know as games started using more threads x264 was really lacking in that department for those CPUs

strong whale
#

now having a quad core is a big oof

#

6 cores or more if you do anything more than gaming and office work

vapid crypt
#

My only issue with streaming now is Comcast being bad, and dropping frames phaWesker

strong whale
#

comcast?

#

oh i see lmao

abstract kite
#

So the build I will be building by the end of the month will be used to render things from Maya, Blender, 3D Aftereffects and so on. I am going with 16 GB (x2 8 Sticks) should I go more?

#

Hmm

#

Do you know how heavy those applications are on memory?

strong whale
#

I have 32gb, 2 x 16gb c16 3200mhz

#

costed like $230 CAD

#

they're corsair lpx sticks

abstract kite
#

2x16 might be more useful if they're heavy hitters. Not because 32gb is any faster, but you have the upgradability to 64gb down the line.

strong whale
#

do keep in mind the processor

#

if it's a 3950x or something similar, you'll need 4 memory channels

abstract kite
#

Ryzen 7 2700x

strong whale
#

so 4 x 8

#

okay yeah 2700x is dual

#

so in this case 2 x 16

abstract kite
#

So x4 8 sticks

strong whale
#

no i was saying 4 x 8 for 3950x

#

for 2700x 2 sticks

abstract kite
#

I have the 3800x series in my build.

strong whale
#

still dual channel

abstract kite
#

Shame

#

So if I put x4 8 sticks it wouldn't do anything?

strong whale
#

you can still run a dual channel processor in 4 channel mode but you're missing out on a good chunk of desktop and especially game performance

#

like one time i tried it with my 1700 and i noticed like a 15% difference

#

i've noticed with amazon prices a lot of the time 4 x 8 - 4 x 4 kits are more readily available and cheaper than say 2 x 16

abstract kite
#

I mean 15% isn't that much

strong whale
#

it is when gaming

#

watch a youtube video and set the custom speed to 1.15, you'll notice the difference, poor example but still

abstract kite
#

I've ran on 12-15 FPS on the lowest settings for most if my life

#

It was insanity

strong whale
#

now that's rough

dense wasp
#

I’m tempted to get a 3950,
But since im mostly gonna run gtfo tests on it, and other games, I guess it doesn’t make that much sense.
I will be future proof and it would be good benchmarks though.. haha

regal laurel
#

Well if that means you're gonna make GTFO scale up to 32 threads I'm all for it 😄

late sorrel
#

3960x though

#

full threadripper build

dense wasp
#

60x? Pfff

#

90x is where the cores at tho

halcyon gorge
#

my headset is working but my mic wont pic up, is this a common discord issue?

late sorrel
#

nah

#

just buy epyc if you want the 90x

vapid crypt
#

Someone I follow on Youtube described the 3950x as a no compromise CPU. It is more than enough threads to handle any current level of multitasking. Its where you want to be if you want a long lasting system for good performance in absolutely every kind of task.

lucid kelp
#

I just come Into channel to drool over other people's builds and wishing I had the money to buy one

jade ermine
#

3990X is pretty insane CPU. Dutch review site got it at 4Ghz across 64 cores with custom loop

dusty pumice
#

Scouting out those Dutch review sites huh 👀

eternal cairn
#

All three of my stock fans broke.

#

Does anyone know what matters most when combining RAM sticks? I'm thinking of getting a 2x16GB to use with my existing 2x8GB.

#

I know CAS latency and speed of all 4 sticks have to match, but is there anything else that has to be considered?

fleet canopy
#

Get the same exact RAM again or try to find a similar one with the same latency, timings and speed

#

I would recommend getting same exact RAM

#

And nothing else really. Just throw it in and you’re good to go

#

Funny you want 48GB but that’s just people’s choice haha

#

You’re probably not always going to find a bigger RAM for same exact stuff though

late sorrel
#

well they don't have to match

#

it's just that the speeds will decrease to the max of the worst stick

#

otherwise, you're good to go

fleet canopy
#

Yeah, just be sure you're buying the right RAM

#

You can open up PCPP and use their searching option to narrow to the exact or closest as possible specs

fleet canopy
#

Yeah that's good

eternal cairn
#

Anyone have any knowledge on SSHDs?

late sorrel
#

a little

#

they're weird

eternal cairn
#

How about the life spans?

#

Are they any better than the "death timers" in SSDs? Or do they still have those?

median moon
#

SSHDs

#

like hybrid drives?

eternal cairn
#

Solid State Hybrid Drive, yes.

median moon
#

ah

#

uhh

#

no

late sorrel
#

yeah not sure

eternal cairn
#

I've never really known much about them apart from the fact that they're a hybrid between SSDs and HDDs.

fleet canopy
#

I think SSHD is kind of bad?

#

Maybe not actually

#

This says it's alright

eternal cairn
#

Eh, I guess. Supposedly, they're better than HDDs, but SSDs are still better than that. HDD < SSHD < SSD

fleet canopy
#

Do your research on it pretty much ig

#

SSHD seems like a good option over SSD if you dislike the price

#

Speed of SSD, size of HDD

#

SSDs are still good though

eternal cairn
#

Too bad there's no reliable way to compare or see different SSHDs like SSDs and HDDs on userbenchmark.com.

fleet canopy
#

SSDs are better still

#

TLDR: The more frequent files will load faster, the ones not so frequent won't load faster than an SSD

#

So it's basically learning what you use, and puts it either in SSD controller or HDD

#

Not really too good if you play games I guess

#

Unless you only play a few

eternal cairn
#

Oh, yeah, then probably not a good choice for me.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

#

Just get an SSD for blah blah and HDD for games unless you can wack some money outta it

eternal cairn
#

I'm still waiting for my 128 GB SSD to conk out so I can replace it with my 1 TB 970 EVO Plus.

fleet canopy
#

It's mainly the load times get shortened on games

eternal cairn
#

If you play them often, I'm guessing.

fleet canopy
#

And it's especially good for open world games apparently?

#

Not often

#

Only for SSHD

#

SSD is load everything fast

eternal cairn
#

Probably because open world games have to reload/re-render environments frequently.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

#

It's a lot better to get a 1TB SSD if you're only gonna run on 1 drive anyways

#

Can get a 250-500GB for windows though

#

And the 1TB for games and whatever

eternal cairn
#

I still have my other 2 TB HDD which I use for games.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

eternal cairn
#

I tried seeing what the difference was in loading times, and I didn't really notice much of a difference.

fleet canopy
#

I mean, it's probably not too notice-able for you at the moment?

#

You have a 128GB SSD if you said

#

I think reaching the near max is what causes it to be kind of slower

eternal cairn
#

Well, yeah, but I moved one of my games over to that drive to compare it.

#

Oh, probably.

#

Come to think of it, that might also be why Windows 10 is failing to install any updates.

fleet canopy
#

Haha

#

Indeed, that's your problem

#

Can pick up a 1TB for 70-100$

eternal cairn
#

But I have 20 GB of free space. 😦

#

Like I said, I got a 1 TB SSD sitting right next to me. I wanna see if my 128 GB SSD conks out before I use my new one.

fleet canopy
#

Can you do a regular SSD? Or can put in a M.2?

#

Oh

#

I see

eternal cairn
#

I think I can put it in an M.2.

#

Yeah, I have a third storage rack.

fleet canopy
#

250GB NVME M.2-2280 comes forrrrr

#

70$ ish

#

No that's 500GB

eternal cairn
#

😓

fleet canopy
#

Lemme uhh

#

Get the price

eternal cairn
#

I'm glad I never paid for this drive.

fleet canopy
#

50$ average

eternal cairn
#

Oh, that's not bad.

fleet canopy
#

2.5" 1TB SSD drives comes for around 70$ ish

eternal cairn
#

Wow, they've really come down in price.

fleet canopy
#

Indeed haha

eternal cairn
#

I wonder how much a HDD is now... 🤔

fleet canopy
#

1TB 7200RPM is like 30-40$

eternal cairn
#

My 2 TB is the same thing for that price.

fleet canopy
#

HDD may have come lower

#

It's been a while since I checked last time haha

eternal cairn
#

I did buy a WD Blue, but I sold it to a friend who said he needed it. 😖

fleet canopy
#

I don't know much about the color difference on WD

#

65-70$, quite expensive

#

But good for just windows and basic stuff I guess

eternal cairn
#

I know Blue is better than Green, Black is better than Blue, and Gold is better than Black.

#

I think. I know Green is the lowest.

fleet canopy
#

WD Blue HDDs are mainly used for general purpose storage, they are great all-rounders, and an average user can't go wrong with Blue. WD Green is basically same as Blue, but it lacks a bit of performance. ... WD Red is a NAS drive. It's optimized for NAS systems. WD Purple is for surveillance.

#

No black in there though

eternal cairn
#

I never heard of those colors. 👀

fleet canopy
#

Yeah I assume not

#

They probably only give to surveillance people/manufacturers

#

NAS is uhh

#

For D0c

eternal cairn
fleet canopy
#

D0c the NAS Man

eternal cairn
#

With DND on. LUL

fleet canopy
#

Ah

#

Here we go

#

WD Blacks are for pure performance including gaming, media, and content creation. Also one of the most expensive HDDs.

#

**WD Blue HDDs are mainly used for general purpose storage, they are great all-rounders, and an average user can’t go wrong with Blue.

WD Green is basically same as Blue, but it lacks a bit of performance. However, it is the most eco-friendly HDD, and it’s quite cheap.

WD Blacks are for pure performance including gaming, media, and content creation. Also one of the most expensive HDDs.

WD Red is a NAS drive. It’s optimized for NAS systems.

WD Purple is for surveillance. Advised for 24/7 operation.

WD Gold, probably the most premium of all. Made for a multitude of Datacenter-specific applications.**

eternal cairn
#

Eyyy, I was right.

fleet canopy
#

Haha

#

So yeah uhh

#

Black seems only for those other kind of shit

#

But ehh

#

Windows and basic shit loading is good I guess

#

Daaaamn

eternal cairn
#

My next HDD will probably be another WD Blue, unless the price of the Black has dropped significantly.

fleet canopy
#

170-400$ for a fucking WD Black 1TB NVME M.2-2280

eternal cairn
#

Oh, never mind, then.

fleet canopy
#

Lol fuck no haha

#

That's just NVME

eternal cairn
#

._.

fleet canopy
#

Not your regular 2.5-3.5"

#

Oh uhh

#

Yeah no

#

Black seems only for NVME

eternal cairn
#

Ugh.

eternal cairn
#

Their hard drives better last forever for those kinds of prices though.

fleet canopy
#

Not too bad prices for blue

#

SSDs*

#

SSDs last a shitton longer than an HDD

#

And can survive an accident

#

Like falling it

#

HDD go bye

#

SSD lives

#

Probably

eternal cairn
#

Wouldn't it be nice if we could see a little countdown timer that indicated how long our drives have until they die?

fleet canopy
#

I know SSDs are less easy to break

#

I heard SSDs get a set time until death?

#

Not sure though

eternal cairn
#

Yeah, I heard that too.

fleet canopy
#

Doesn't really seem that right

eternal cairn
#

I've had my SSD and HDD for 3-4 years now.

fleet canopy
#

SSDs last for a long time

#

So eh

eternal cairn
#

Neither have conked out yet, but my laptop's HDD conked out after 5 years.

#

Theoretically, hard drives are supposed to last forever.

fleet canopy
#

I wonder why WD Black was said to be "Pure performance for gaming"

#

Like fuck no

eternal cairn
#

LUL

fleet canopy
#

No one's paying a kidney for this shit

#

Unless it's some media streaming shit

eternal cairn
#

I wonder what the warranty is on their drives.

#

If it's the standard 5 year warranty, then that is bullshit.

fleet canopy
#

Every WD Blue 3D NAND SATA SSD comes with a 5-year limited warranty, so you can be confident of your storage when you upgrade or replace any of your drives. ¹ As used for storage capacity, one terabyte (TB) = one trillion bytes. Total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment.

eternal cairn
#

Yeah, that's bullshit.

fleet canopy
#

lol

eternal cairn
#

It should be a 10 year warranty.

#

It would be nice to see if Destiny 2 loads any faster on my SSD.

fleet canopy
#

Anything loads faster on an SSD than on HDD

eternal cairn
#

Destiny 2 is 100 GB and it takes 5-7 minutes just to load into a social space (at least on console).

fleet canopy
#

But to get an idea of the performance difference an SSD v HDD speed comparison could reasonably show, a standard SSD can read sequential data at a speed of about 550 megabytes per second (MBps) and write it at 520 MBps. In contrast, a fast HDD may carry out sequential reads and writes at just 125MBps.

weak gust
#

at least it's not destiny 2 original xbox one load times

fleet canopy
#

Haha I never heard of those

eternal cairn
#

Original Xbox One?

#

You mean like the basic console?

weak gust
#

like the first model idk i dont follow xbox

#

ye

eternal cairn
#

Oh, I have that. LUL

fleet canopy
#

Original Xbox One

#

Uhhh

#

That's

weak gust
#

ya idk

eternal cairn
#

You're not talking about the original Xbox console, right?

fleet canopy
#

Yeah the new one

weak gust
#

no i worded it bad

eternal cairn
#

Were you talking about models or generations?

fleet canopy
#

Nah, the old one is just called Xbox

#

Not Xbox One

weak gust
#

ya

#

just

fleet canopy
#

Original Xbox One discontinued

#

Kek

weak gust
#

if you bought an xbox one the day it came out

#

that one

eternal cairn
#

Ohh, then no.

fleet canopy
#

I remember having the original Xbox haha

eternal cairn
#

Same.

fleet canopy
#

Halo Combat Evolved is one of the games I remember

#

Nothing else surprisingly

#

I still remember the menu too

eternal cairn
#

I had a few more games.

#

Including Halo.

#

That menu music was oof.

weak gust
#

lego star wars

#

all I remember playing on it\

eternal cairn
#

Cherry on the tip of edginess.

fleet canopy
#

I think I could play Combat Evolved on my Xbox 360?

eternal cairn
#

You can play it on PC now.

#

MCC.

#

Master Chief Collection.

fleet canopy
#

Didn't know that was included in MCC

eternal cairn
#

Yep.

#

Every game is included, except Halo 5.

fleet canopy
#

Thought you'd say get an emulator

eternal cairn
#

LUL No.

fleet canopy
#

Combat Evolved is way old enough to be one

#

lol

eternal cairn
#

Master Chief Collection also has the anniversary edition of Combat Evolved.

weak gust
#

oh yeah

#

was gonna find out if im doing something wrong because im getting 60 frames on lowest settings

#

with 1070 and intel core i7

fleet canopy
#

On GTFO?

weak gust
#

ye

fleet canopy
#

What CPU?

weak gust
#

how to checkl

#

obviously im new to this

eternal cairn
#

Task Manager?

weak gust
#

bought my pc prebuilt

#

k

eternal cairn
#

Performance tab.

fleet canopy
#

"System Info" on search thing

#

Click on the windows logo menu on bottom left

#

Type it in

#

And then open it up

#

It should tell you CPU right away

eternal cairn
#

You remind me of the days I had my i7 6700k.

fleet canopy
#

Haha

weak gust
eternal cairn
#

And those days weren't too long ago.

fleet canopy
#

Oh

#

What

#

Oh it no K

#

But it's still good

#

I guess

eternal cairn
#

Rip overclocking.

weak gust
#

ye

#

it's not bad

fleet canopy
#

lel f to oc

weak gust
#

just seems like im getting unusually low frames

eternal cairn
#

What's your GPU like?

fleet canopy
#

1070

#

Probably like

eternal cairn
#

Oh, same.

fleet canopy
#

Is it a 1070 or 1070 Ti?

eternal cairn
#

But I meant @weak gust.

weak gust
#

just 1070

fleet canopy
#

Ok

eternal cairn
#

Just a 1070.

weak gust
#

nvidia

eternal cairn
#

4 GB.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah, it should still run alright

eternal cairn
#

I tried the user benchmark, and it said mine was underperforming somehow.

fleet canopy
#

What's your RAM?

eternal cairn
#

Mine or Edgar's?

fleet canopy
#

I'll show you where again if you want Edgar

#

Mainly to Edgar

weak gust
#

same place?

eternal cairn
#

Yeah.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

#

Scroll down a bit

#

"Installed Physical Memory"

weak gust
#

16 gb

fleet canopy
#

Hm

#

Could it be the CAS and speed?

eternal cairn
#

How much storage space do you have on your drive(s)?

fleet canopy
#

I wonder

weak gust
#

just reinstalled the OS so there are no other programs affecting it so idk

#

maybe nvidia drivers but they're up to date

#

mmm

#

available physical memory is 5gb idk if that's normal

fleet canopy
eternal cairn
#

Uhh...

fleet canopy
#

That's nothing

weak gust
#

yeah uhh

fleet canopy
#

That's the amount of RAM not being used

eternal cairn
#

And you don't have the game open right now?

weak gust
#

nope

fleet canopy
#

Installed Physical Memory

weak gust
#

ye the installed is 16

eternal cairn
#

Check your memory in Task Manager.

weak gust
#

available is 5

fleet canopy
#

Ah ok

#

That's wild

eternal cairn
#

Yeah, that sounds bad.

fleet canopy
#

What the hell is using up 11GB

weak gust
fleet canopy
#

Yeah I knew it haha

eternal cairn
#

I have the perfect fix.

weak gust
#

yes pls

eternal cairn
#

CleanMem.

weak gust
#

u got it

#

is that the same as reinstalling os though

#

i have no idea what im doing

late sorrel
#

task manager it

eternal cairn
#

No, it's a program.

fleet canopy
#

No

weak gust
#

k

late sorrel
#

then we can see it

fleet canopy
#

This is task manager

late sorrel
#

what's the big app

fleet canopy
#

Task manager

abstract kite
#

Use Task Manager to End Task Manager.

late sorrel
#

search by highest to lowest mem usage

eternal cairn
#

LUL

weak gust
#

steam is using like 2 mb in the background

fleet canopy
#

I used the stones, to destroy the stones

#

Hm

weak gust
#

2 gb

eternal cairn
#

Use Task Manager to end my PC's suffering.

fleet canopy
#

Guh

#

2GB?

weak gust
#

maybe just a bunch of background processes

fleet canopy
#

They barely are close to 1GB

eternal cairn
#

Like I said, download CleanMem.

weak gust
#

o wait nvm

#

will do that njow

#

now

fleet canopy
#

CleanMem is what

#

Looks like a virus

weak gust
#

ye cant find a good looking download site

weak gust
#

bruh

eternal cairn
#

Although I don't let it set a scheduler.

#

I just manually click a button when I have the program open.

fleet canopy
#

lolitisntreal

weak gust
#

yeah what

eternal cairn
#

And it brings your memory back down to like 20%.

weak gust
#

lol

#

oh ok

fleet canopy
#

Although it could be a real website

eternal cairn
#

I've been using it for a while now.

fleet canopy
#

Not now though, but it sounds like a good name for it tbh

late sorrel
#

mm, linux

eternal cairn
#

Why is Discord icon yellow?

fleet canopy
#

Looks like RainMeter

eternal cairn
#

Also, that is the download link for CleanMem.

#

@weak gust

weak gust
#

k

fleet canopy
#

Never really found a way to fully use RainMeter

weak gust
#

ty

fleet canopy
#

I've yet to learn more of it

eternal cairn
#

What is RainMeter?

late sorrel
#

Discord Canary

abstract kite
late sorrel
#

linux version

eternal cairn
#

Ohhh.

#

LUL

fleet canopy
#

Discord Canary?

#

Ah

#

Alpha

abstract kite
#

Chrome Eats a Stick of RAM by itself... what even Kek

weak gust
#

microsoft edge is just

fleet canopy
#

Hm

weak gust
#

kinda

#

bad

abstract kite
#

Hey man I hear Australia is Lit this time of year.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah

eternal cairn
#

Microsoft is on the Edge of defeat.

fleet canopy
#

Sounds like a great place

weak gust
#

edge uses almost 1gb with 1 tab

eternal cairn
#

🤢

fleet canopy
#

6GB of 24GB used atm, hm

eternal cairn
#

I love CleanMem.

fleet canopy
#

Mircrocrap Edge

#

Firefox is lit

abstract kite
#

I love and hate chrome

eternal cairn
#

Firefox is great, but I have all my browsing data on Chrome.

fleet canopy
#

Seems like a simplistic look for me tbh

eternal cairn
#

(Also, Firefox compatibility sucks.)

#

Sometimes, simplicity is the best look.

fleet canopy
#

Indeed

eternal cairn
#

Plus, you can change the theme of the Chrome browser.

fleet canopy
#

Yeah but

#

It's meh

abstract kite
fleet canopy
#

Cr0m

void perch
#

Someone needs to make a new browser from the ground up, not using any base from any other browser that isn't bloated an s doesn't eat RAM

eternal cairn
late sorrel
#

that would be cool

fleet canopy
#

That's g00gl

#

Not firefox

late sorrel
#

there's probably an open source one somewhere

eternal cairn
#

I know there's one with a VPN.

#

Toras?

late sorrel
#

also I made the switch to firefox more recently & it's nice

vapid crypt
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A browser that doesn't eat ram, sounds like a fantasy PirateSimon

late sorrel
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Oprea

vapid crypt
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I believe that's Opera GX

late sorrel
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Opra

fleet canopy
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Plus, I got most of my chrome shit to Firefox

late sorrel
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yea

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it's that one

eternal cairn
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Oprah?

fleet canopy
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Opera

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Uhh

eternal cairn
vapid crypt
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No Opera phaWesker

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GX

late sorrel
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Firefox uses about the same as chrome I've found

fleet canopy
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First "GAMING BROSWERAJWIHAO"

vapid crypt
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Its a "gaming browser"

fleet canopy
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What

late sorrel
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generally less though

vapid crypt
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Whatever that means

fleet canopy
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What the fuck

vapid crypt
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Sounds like marketing

abstract kite
late sorrel
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depends on how bloated you make your chrome

eternal cairn
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I mainly use Chrome because most of my Tampermonkey plugins were made by me for Chrome.

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Adblockers bloat your Chrome.

late sorrel
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I'm committing to the FOSP

weak gust
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chrome officially uses 1/9th of what edge uses

eternal cairn
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Change that meme to 16 GB and 64 GB.

vapid crypt
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I'm pretty sure Tampermonkey is on Firefox extensions

fleet canopy
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That's a lie >:(

eternal cairn
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I meant Greasemonkey.

fleet canopy
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G00g is RAM eat

void perch
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Chrome is eating 6 GB of my RAM right now, though it has been running for a month straight

late sorrel
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free & open source is good!

weak gust
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you what

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chrome open for a month

eternal cairn
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OMG

fleet canopy
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D0c can't close

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Want it open 4ever

vapid crypt
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My firefox is using just over 800mb phaWesker

eternal cairn
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I thought I was the only person who does that, @void perch. 🤣

void perch
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About 30 tabs open

fleet canopy
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Plus closing it would just mean his work go fuck

weak gust
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chrome using 140mb but i just opened it

fleet canopy
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Opera GX looks like

vapid crypt
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I actually close my tabs though phaSip just have a couple pinned

void perch
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Haven't restarted my pc in a month. Last time it was up for 80 days

fleet canopy
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Overclocking, statistics on PC parts and a web browser in one

abstract kite
late sorrel
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694,000kb

fleet canopy
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Fuck Opera GX

eternal cairn
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It looks just like mine, @abstract kite.

late sorrel
fleet canopy
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I don't trust it anymore

eternal cairn
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I don't trust Task Manager.

fleet canopy
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Less than 1GB on Firefox

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860MB~

eternal cairn
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It says my PC is only using 50% of my memory, but I don't buy it.

late sorrel
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it's back down to 444,000kb

fleet canopy
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Hm

void perch
fleet canopy
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Hot

late sorrel
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my pc has only been on for 1:53

eternal cairn
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Closing YouTube tabs helps with the memory issue.

late sorrel
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I'm gunna pull a d0c though

eternal cairn
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Literally and figuratively hot.

late sorrel
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put it to sleep

fleet canopy
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How big is your RAM size again?

void perch
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I don't even put my pc to sleep

fleet canopy
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64?

late sorrel
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oh

eternal cairn
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LUL

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Hibernation?

late sorrel
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you just turn your monitors off?

eternal cairn
void perch
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48 GB of ram @fleet canopy

fleet canopy
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And using

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Around 50%

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Oh boy

eternal cairn
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You make me want to steal some of your RAM, D0c.

late sorrel
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I'm using 1/4 of my ram right now

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w/ a shitload of tabs open

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& windows

void perch
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My server is going to have 192 GB of RAM @eternal cairn

fleet canopy
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Yeah 26% average usage on mine

void perch
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Want some?

vapid crypt
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I'm using 1/3 exactly

eternal cairn
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48 GB would be wonderful.

late sorrel
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I have a widget 😎

fleet canopy
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Hm

eternal cairn
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Then I can finally render 2k60 videos in After Effects in 2 minutes.

late sorrel
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is your pc free AND open source? I thought not

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eat my dust windows users

vapid crypt
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What is that Rainmeter?

void perch
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Anyways I'm going to bed. Ciao later guys

late sorrel
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nope

fleet canopy
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Some Linux

eternal cairn
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What is RainMeter?

fleet canopy
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Rainmeter is something for Windows

late sorrel
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came with the os

fleet canopy
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Makes shit cool

late sorrel
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haha, imagine using windows

eternal cairn
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Is it like Wallpaper Engine?

fleet canopy
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Yeah

eternal cairn
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Imagine using Windows 7. coxKappa

vapid crypt
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No need to imagine as I am using it phaSip

late sorrel
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nerds

fleet canopy
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You can have it set to show music, a bar that'll go asdaga on sound like Monstercat videos,

eternal cairn
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Now imagine pirating Windows 10 Pro. coxKappa