It's been some time since I've heard anything about the product being made
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
hollow quarry
That’s why i bought the strix 1080 since it was only $500
fading compass
*only
fleet canopy
Why didn't you go for a 2070 Super though
fading compass
The 1080’s performance if a 2060 lmao.
hollow quarry
Honestly, i wanted the box for it cause my friend isn’t gonna know the difference
I like the strix boxes
fading compass
You essentially paid 500$ for an older 2060 without a good NVENC 
fading compass
200$ for a cool box
fleet canopy
I guess that's for you
fading compass
Mine blown
fleet canopy
Buuuuuuut
hollow quarry
I paid $500 to get my friend a birthday present
fleet canopy
Still would've invested in better like 2070 Super tbh
fading compass
In the meantime you pretty much wasted 200$
fleet canopy
500$ is basically 2070 Super
hollow quarry
All he cares about is rgb
hollow quarry
He’s not gonna know the difference between a 1080 and a 2070s
fading compass
fading compass
He probably plays on 1080p60 too lmao
hollow quarry
1080/144
hollow quarry
Shhh
I went for better cpu
Easier to upgrade a card then a cpu
When the time comes to upgrade he’ll just get my 2080 as a hand me down
hollow quarry
9700k and a 1080 is fine for now
You guys also have to take into effect that he’s going from a shitty laptop to full blown desktop, anything is going to be amazing to him
fleet canopy
Oh you didn't mention that
fading compass
1080 for 1080p144 is fine
fading compass
Ray tracing 
hollow quarry
I can’t justify the extra money for a 1440p or a 1080p240
hollow quarry
Is it 244 hertz or 240?
fleet canopy
240
60, 75, 90, 120, 144, 155, 165, 180, 200(?), 240
300 and 360 if you include those
New ones
fading compass
One step closer to 420
fleet canopy
Assuming that we do get more than 400
hollow quarry
I’m gonna get a 4k 240 monitor
For shits and giggles
Just so i can do 1080p on it
fleet canopy
Ah, yes
regal laurel
3600cl14 should be similar to 3800cl15 in bandwidth at least
hollow quarry
Isn’t more gb better than faster speeds?
hollow quarry
Or are we not talk about ram?
finite sentinel
we are talking about timings and speeds
and after a point amount of RAM is inconsequential
then you get into things like speed and timings
regal laurel
I think you should be running aida benchmarks on both settings
compare bandwidth and timings
finite sentinel
i can't get windows to boot at 3800 i said
it crashes
if i had only 2 dimms this board would function better
Im thinking of selling this set privately and then getting a 3800 cl14 trident neo
trident z neo that is
regal laurel
so u boot at 4400cl19 but not 3800cl18?
finite sentinel
you obviously are misunderstanding
it booted at 4400cl19 with 2 dimms but not 4
and it's not booting 3800cl16
but boots 3600cl14 just fine
regal laurel
then the question is "do you need four sticks?"
finite sentinel
i need 32GB, don't need 4 sticks
which is why i said before, i might trade in my 4 sticks viper steel for 2 sticks trident z neo
wooden blaze
just eat the ram
be one with your pc
finite sentinel
running memtest
heh oops wouldn't run with cpu-z open
but so far looks good
14-14-14-14-28
probably the best im gonna get with this setup
yea the issue is the daisy chain topology, with 2 dimms you can do more than with 4 dimms
ok so i did 3 loops of memtest64 and no errors, if i crash ill run a more comprehensive test
looks good tho
running userbenchmark
fading compass
Yeah lol
You can benchtest stuff with it though
Albeit I’d just use Cinebench for that
finite sentinel
hmmm apparently my crucial P1 is performing far above expectations, nice
Cinebench is free?
finite sentinel
eh
wooden blaze
can someone rate my cpu and graphics card? i cant tell if they need to be replaced soon
finite sentinel
sure
finite sentinel
gpu won't be able to play the most recent games at highest settings but you're good if you only care about medium
vapid crypt
Its alright for 1080p
wooden blaze
i care about frames
i usually run at meduium to low anyway
vapid crypt
You're not gonna be getting the best framerates in newest games, though likely fine after tightening the settings
finite sentinel
and if you ever want to move up to 1440p
vapid crypt
If you're ever unhappy with your performance you're getting in one of your favorite games, that should be when you consider upgrading
finite sentinel
yep
wooden blaze
i can run all my fav games just fine so thats a plus
vapid crypt
And the CPU is perfectly fine for most things right now
finite sentinel
Cinebench seems to be just a cpu bench?
vapid crypt
There's an OpenGL test with Cinebench
finite sentinel
im more looking for a memory bench
finite sentinel
ah ok cool
fleet canopy
Yeah CPU is good, GPU could use an upgrade only if you're looking for 1080p 144hz gaming at high graphics or are looking into 1440p
regal laurel
read, write, copy and latency tests
3600cl14 you'd probably be looking at 52-54GBps i think
sub 70ns latency
finite sentinel
latency is 69.4
read speed 41.3 write speed 26.9
seems a bit low
gonna try aida64
finite sentinel
51.9 read, 69.3 ns latency
28.7 write
a bit low...
the read was good the write was shit...
apparently that's normal for the 3000 series
median moon
QVO was from bearz
fleet canopy
Then what? >.>
median moon
ram, boot drive, psu
median moon
also more expensive
fading compass
Like the protections are set too high or too low.
regal laurel
3800X 😄 - 1440p monitor 😄 - 1660ti D:
median moon
1660ti is to hold me off until Ampere
fleet canopy
Yes
fading compass
Not the 1660S?
fleet canopy
1660 Ti is better
median moon
^
fading compass
Marginally 
fleet canopy
Super is between 1660 and Ti
fleet canopy
If you're one for overclocking it's way close
fading compass
So your right
median moon
it's not much of an issue to me
fleet canopy
Mmk
median moon
1440p 155hz is worth
fleet canopy
Just be sure you want it if you don't mind not having the best color 
median moon
yeah i don't mind that
fleet canopy
Mmk
median moon
better refresh rates > better color
median moon
W i d e
fleet canopy
How'd they fuck up the photo
vapid crypt
Uh like a couple years maybe?
nimble kite
Anyone knows what's a good setup for an streaming pc? i have one for the gaming part already.
nimble kite
Yeah, was trying to do a dual monitor one.
Was under the impression you'd need another pc for that to work out.
fleet canopy
Nah
vapid crypt
Not at all, there's a reason graphics cards have more than one or two outputs
fleet canopy
I think I heard you could have like 2 monitors could be separate, one that'll not be connected to the other and allows you to use 2 mouse/cursors
But eh
nimble kite
Because if not, I'll probably just increase my RAM and whatnot.
fleet canopy
What were your specs again?
nimble kite
Was thinking of recording + streaming at the same time.
vapid crypt
Cause yeah that's a good idea
nimble kite
16 atm.
abstract kite
@median moon Quick scan and both the EVO and Sabrent would work. It just becomes a matter of preference.
vapid crypt
16 is fine
fleet canopy
16 isn't too bad
abstract kite
They're about the same
vapid crypt
I stream with 16, there's no issues
fleet canopy
32GB is up to your choice, only depending if you have a shitload of minecraft mods
nimble kite
Mostly because I was thinking of streaming + recording the stream at the same time.
fleet canopy
Ehh
I don't think it'd matter
Again, only up to preference
And unless you know an app that'll take up nearly 16GB
Then no point
vapid crypt
I don't think that adds much more to the processing
abstract kite
I stream and record with 8gb of ram ezpz
nimble kite
Oh, then I guess it's just a matter of having enough space.
fleet canopy
How much do you have then?
median moon
@abstract kite i went to a shop today, dude told me Sabrents fail too often
median moon
i've already checked online reviews. .-.
vapid crypt
Oh my goodness
vapid crypt
These are soooo comfortable
vapid crypt
AKG K240
fleet canopy
Hm
vapid crypt
I've been using a knock off essentially, so its a direct upgrade for the same design
nimble kite
What's your recommendation for storage?
pallid cedar
32GB of RAM is more for rendering 4k vid and up. If you're recording 1080p60fps video 16GB should be just fine.
For storage I have a dedicated 3TB 7200RPM HDD
that dedicated is just for video, games are on SSD
fleet canopy
Kek
pallid cedar
I have a 240GB OS boot SSD, and a 1TB SSD for games
nimble kite
I probably won't be rendering any 4K videos at all.
fleet canopy
Yeah most likely not
pallid cedar
shouldn't need 32GB of RAM then, no biggie there
16 will do fine
just make sure you run it in dual channel
nimble kite
Alright, thanks for the info guys, will probably just go that route then.
Yup it is.
nimble kite
CAS?
pallid cedar
the RAM CAS timings, usually like a 14-16-16-38 number
fleet canopy
It's basically latency and the smaller CAS it is, the faster it is
3200Mhz CAS16 is pretty good
pallid cedar
that's what I run
fleet canopy
Timings like 16-18-18-38 is good off as well
abstract kite
@median moon In that case then just go with the Samsung drive. You can get that one for reliability's sake.
nimble kite
pallid cedar
i.e. 3000MHz
pallid cedar
yeah, dual channel, each stick is running 1500~MHz
median moon
@abstract kite am doing, got a 970 plus
fleet canopy
Ah
brisk badger
TrueSpartanGamingToday at 11:07 PM
yeah, dual channel, each stick is running 1500~MHz
So I'm at 3000 effectively?
pallid cedar
with a base CAS of 16, not terrible
brisk badger
incorrect
fleet canopy
Yeah seems wrong
abstract kite
@median moon Yee
brisk badger
DDR means Double Data Rate
pallid cedar
3000*
pallid cedar
the 1500MHz is the north bridge frequency
gilded gust
SALAMA LEKUM GUYS
pallid cedar
I'm well aware Wooza
gilded gust
GUYS?
pallid cedar
you still have to double the number to get your MHz allocation for your RAM.
timber jolt
what is a good ps4
pallid cedar
sup ChingChong
brisk badger
yes but I understand as every stick runs at 1500MHz resulting in 3000MHz
gilded gust
I NEED hELP WIt MY EXBOX
pallid cedar
no, just his particular example.
brisk badger
both run 1500MHz or 3000MHz depending on what definiton you use
gilded gust
EXBOX one
pallid cedar
no, the NB frequency is 1500MHz
still have to double it for RAM allocated frequency due to DDR
timber jolt
what is the best lsd?
gilded gust
dunno
abstract kite
How about no
brisk badger
dual channel has nothing to do with the ram running at 3000
dense trellis
@gilded gust Please keep the messages in this channel relevant, thanks
gilded gust
sorry
nimble kite
Well as long as it's running on 3000 I'm good.
brisk badger
maybe I totally misunderstand you. but the comment sounded for me that dual channel makes the ram go 3000 mhz instead of 1500
dense trellis
You too @timber jolt
vapid crypt
The fuck 
fleet canopy
I'm actually wondering as to why there's a reason to it being on Slot 2 and 4 for RAM Dual channel
brisk badger
this is wrong. the ram is 1500mhz and due it being DDR meaning double data rate it is 2x the speed
vapid crypt
Um probably for clearance
vapid crypt
Like they might be anticipating users to have big coolers that could conflict with the first slot
pallid cedar
not what I said Wooza
vapid crypt
There might be people using stuff like that
sick reef
Well, one per side, as in per bridge, I believe?
nimble kite
Ya'll probably just misunderstood what each other said
fleet canopy
Yeah but they can't just have it possible to put the RAM on slot 1 and 3 pretty much
sick reef
For an efficient board.
brisk badger
then my bad 😊
vapid crypt
I think that used to be the case
fleet canopy
Yeah I heard it used to be before
vapid crypt
I don't know why it changed
fleet canopy
Yeah me neither
vapid crypt
Its also why I installed my RAM wrong in the first place
sick reef
Well, probably due to ease of installation.
And if you don't check the manual, you get the badual
Not installation of parts, obviously, but the construction of the motherboard.
fleet canopy
Funny enough, we have 4 DIMM slots, but we only can place it on slot 2 and 4 for dual
nimble kite
cough the verge cough
vapid crypt
Well right for Dual channel
pallid cedar
my cooler is large enough that it interferes with all my rams lots
fleet canopy
Hah
vapid crypt
Oh right like the fucking Scythe Ninja
brisk badger
i have dual channel and using dimm 1 and 3??
pallid cedar
I can still use them all, but it covers all the RGB lol
fleet canopy
It might be an older board
pallid cedar
some motherboards use different slots
vapid crypt
BEHOLD
pallid cedar
generally they are on the 2 and 4 slots, away from CPU
fleet canopy
Good god
brisk badger
why would not all 4 dimms be dual channel ready?
fleet canopy
Yeah
pallid cedar
the way bandwith allocation on the data lanes is designed
fleet canopy
That's my question pretty much haha
brisk badger
so if you have 4 ram sticks you cannot have dual channel?
pallid cedar
they work as two tandem dual channel modules
vapid crypt
Well they are of course. I just mean you need at least 2 or 4 in order to utilize dual channel right?
Like 3 doesn't work
pallid cedar
but it works like having 2 gpus in SLI: the last 2 are essentially backups and don't double your capability
brisk badger
yes but then I dont understand why with only one pair it has to be specific
fleet canopy
Ah
vapid crypt
Oh okay
brisk badger
i always thought people just do that because of habit lol
vapid crypt
Yeah um weird yeah, you would think it shouldn't make a difference
There must be some kind of reason
fleet canopy
""Dual Channel Mode" is a feature that was created to reduce the potential performance bottleneck that exists between the CPU and the Memory Controller. It is enabled when a pair of same-size memory modules are installed into matching memory banks." I guess there's the answer
pallid cedar
it can technically be done any way the motherboard designers want, this is just the generalized way to do it for ease of builds I imagine
easier to take a RAM stick out when another isn't wedged right next to it
pallid cedar
well, I guess now it is with these big fancy heat spreaders nowadays haha
yeah lol
heat is also a thing
fleet canopy
I have 3x8 GB in my PC lol
Timing is only a little difference between the 2 identicals and the 1 not same brand
pallid cedar
no worries about 3 slots, as long as at least 2 are filled
fleet canopy
All are same CAS, speed, size amount lol
pallid cedar
eesh, should always try to have the same model of ram, can cause issues. Not wlways, mind you
fleet canopy
It's been doing fine, no problems
Last I did it, didn't work
Probably was DDR3 or timings were way off
pallid cedar
I imagine you have the 2 identical ones in the dual channel module
fleet canopy
Yes
pallid cedar
that would make it work anyways
the 3rd is basically being a supplemental backup when it's needed
my old pre-built had 3 2GB sticks of Ram in it, worked the same way
fleet canopy
Kek
median moon
6GB of ram
fleet canopy
Yes
pallid cedar
pre-built Acer desktop lol
got it form Wal-Mart for like $450 CAD
fleet canopy
Peak gaming hours back then
pallid cedar
no dedicated GPU though, just AMD integrated graphics
fleet canopy
kek
pallid cedar
ah the good ol days of running DayZ at 17fps on lowest settings in 720p XD
fleet canopy
Haha
vapid crypt
That's basically what I was using on my laptop
gilded gust
h
pallid cedar
it worked wll enough for me, having never had any kind of gaming pc in my life, my only reference was console quality lol
then the HDD fried and I saved up for 4 years to buy this brand new custom behemoth
vapid crypt
Behemoth
pallid cedar
well, my new beast cost me over $3300
fleet canopy
Quite a lot
pallid cedar
yeah
vapid crypt
Will it run Crysis? 
pallid cedar
at 480p 24fps, yes
fleet canopy
Pffft
pallid cedar
vapid crypt
Amazing
fleet canopy
72p 60FPS
vapid crypt
That was the shit in 2007, Crysis at 24fps
median moon
2.4
pallid cedar
it ran on my xbox so I was happy with that lol, my old Acer couldn't deal with Crytek
though, even this new beast could have been better, I spent a lot extra for better quality parts all-round as opposed to just tossing most of the budget on like an RTX 2080ti or something
fleet canopy
So something like
A 2080, 9900K assuming Ryzen 3000 didn't come out yet, 32GB of RAM?
pallid cedar
not even lol
a Ryzen 7 2700 (3.2GHz overclocked to 4.1)
ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 2060
Noctua NH-D15 cooler
32GB of TridentZ G.Skill ram
ASRock X470 Taichi motherboard
EVGA 80+Gold 650W PSU
inside a giant Thermaltake View 71 TG full tower case
fleet canopy
Annnnd
median moon
not bad
fleet canopy
I'm gonna assume currency
vapid crypt
When was this a year ago?
pallid cedar
not including my new 144Hz 1080p monitor, 4k 50" t.v.
6 extra RGB case fans, new headphones, keyboard, mouse etc
this was like 7 months ago, March 2019
pallid cedar
I'm sure I got a pcpartpicker list somewhere
fleet canopy
9 months or 10
vapid crypt
Cause March was 11 months ago
fleet canopy
Nah 9-10 months
pallid cedar
hmmm
vapid crypt
Its February First
vapid crypt
So yeah almost a year
pallid cedar
so yeah, I guess about a year so far
vapid crypt
I got my pc in July
pallid cedar
man time flies with a nice pc lol
fleet canopy
Haha
vapid crypt
Oh its CAD, oh okay makes a bit more sense then
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Oh Canada 
fleet canopy
Very 3 seconds ago
pallid cedar
a big markup plus the exchange rate
median moon
why buy win10 though
pallid cedar
because I'm a jackass lol
vapid crypt
Does that case have a mesh option for the front?
pallid cedar
it had been so long since I bought an operating syste that I figured it had gotten harder to pirate for some reason
looool
fleet canopy
Nah haha
pallid cedar
there is a mesh filter behind the glass panel
vapid crypt
So its just pulling air from the bottom and side
pallid cedar
the glass is well away form the chassis itself, ample airflow
vapid crypt
Eh I mean okay
late sorrel
oof
pallid cedar
I have 3 120mm fans in front and 2 on the bottom pulling air in, with 1 120mm fan at the back pushing out and 3 140mm fans at the top pushing out as well
vapid crypt
Its a very 2017 inspired case though. I remember like last year when Steve from Gamers Nexus was at computex, thermaltake had some nice mesh front panel cases just hidden away in the back
pallid cedar
I love tempered glass
vapid crypt
As if they were ashamed of not having glass everywhere
late sorrel
oof
pallid cedar
these two side panels are actually on swing hinges
pallid cedar
nothing wrong with mesh, don't get me wrong
I just love glass panels haha
and that case is MASSIVE
over 50Lbs with no parts in it lol
vapid crypt
There's a wrong way of doing it for sure, there's a cheap OEM case made by God knows who tbh
pallid cedar
almost 100 fully built
vapid crypt
Its what Walmart used in their PCs, fucking starving for airflow
late sorrel
oh yeah the cyberpower
pallid cedar
yeah, bad mesh can choke airflow so badly, same with using glass badly, can't be too close
vapid crypt
Hang on I can find it
pallid cedar
cyberpower or Overpowered brand?
late sorrel
oof
pallid cedar
one of the Overpowered builds had like a glass panel that was flush to the casem zero airflow
removing the panel lowered internal temps by 30 degrees
abstract kite
lmao
am I the only one that straight up hates RGB
why would you waste power on lights that don't tell you anything
pallid cedar
where I am sitting at idle at 4.1Ghz at only 32 degrees on the cpu
vapid crypt
Its this thing
abstract kite
I don't like shopping for parts that match aesthetically either
sick reef
I have stated my dissatisfaction for RGB here several times.
abstract kite
I usually just get whatever's best for the price and then slap a metal side panel on it
sick reef
As well as my use of a converted Compaq ML370 as a case.
vapid crypt
Yeah its some clone case that DIYPC and Rosewill slap their name on
abstract kite
can't complain about shitty aesthetics if you don't see it
pallid cedar
where I bought and built this oc for quality and aesthetics
I didn't mind putting the extra funds into it
vapid crypt
Also can't complain about poor cable management in that case
abstract kite
:^)
cable management matters for airflow though
so I do kinda try to get shit out of the way
pallid cedar
it is my first custom build ever, never built a pc before this beast so I wanted to be very happy with how it operformed and how it would look to stare at it for the next 5-7 years haha
abstract kite
also it's a pita if you want to swap out ram but you can't access it because the psu cables are tangled up in front of it
pallid cedar
cable management is just good for ease of access, if there are too many bunched up cables everywhere it's harder to do any maintenance
vapid crypt
Wooza has a rat nest of cables in his PC, his temps are fine. But he uses a benchtest chassis or something so
Its open
pallid cedar
lol open air test bench isnt going to have any choked off airflow 😛
not from cables, anyways
worst thing cables are going to do is get physically inside your fans and fuck up the blades
unless your case is tiny, then yeah, cable management is a MUST
fleet canopy
Very nice
fleet canopy
Kek
vapid crypt
median moon
jolly bobcat
fleet canopy
vapid crypt
jolly bobcat
jolly bobcat
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
What parts?
abstract kite
lewd parts
vapid crypt
late sorrel
uh oh
vapid crypt
If Egyptians had our technology
fleet canopy
And sexy parts, not yet assembled
vapid crypt
That motherboard is pretty UN sexy tbh
median moon
is that a 1080ti
vapid crypt
Uh could be or a 1080
fleet canopy
1070
median moon
oh yeah i see it now
vapid crypt
Oh I just read the shroud
fleet canopy
It has a straight bend
median moon
yeah
abstract kite
There's a purple vertical line dead middle in the screen.
rip pixels
I have a permanent crosshair.
fleet canopy
Well at least it might be a bonus for crosshair if you're not good with hip aim on left/right
fleet canopy
Hm
abstract kite
Well, sorta. It turns a brighter color to match the grass.
Not really fixed but less noticeable.
vapid crypt
Uh sounds like a line of stuck pixels or something
No wait if it were stuck the color would be consistent
Then maybe the blue light stopped working within those pixels 
fleet canopy
Yeah
abstract kite
Reversible?
vapid crypt
Not sure
If it was a stuck pixels maybe, dead pixels not as likely but maybe, dead color not sure
abstract kite
Pretty sure it's stuck pixels.
fleet canopy
If it were stuck pixels, the pixel color would not change
Try doing some tests with color, see if it changes
vapid crypt
Cycle to blue and see what it looks like
abstract kite
Shit
vapid crypt
Cause from the sound of it, its unable to display blue
abstract kite
It's unable to display white, but you can sorta see it in green or blue but it tries to match the color
vapid crypt
So its just like a magenta line on a white screen?
abstract kite
Yes
vapid crypt
So it could be an issue with the cable or graphics card. Try using a different cable, and using it with something else. Like another pc or a console, if the lines still there then something is wrong with the monitor
Oh if you have onboard graphics, like through the CPU that could serve as a testing alternative
abstract kite
I got a sneaking feeling it's the graphics card.
Whole screen went black for a second today. Said it was the Card, and it resolved itself.
vapid crypt
Well, sorry to hear that if its the case. Is it a older card?
eager flare
I just bought a pre-built since mine was so out of date
and imma upgrade parts as I go now
abstract kite
I got mine planned out
Just need a bloody job
Nobody's hiring. That's another story.
Really want an SFFPC
late sorrel
same
dusty pumice
Holy fuck that looks clean with the cryorig
abstract kite
Imagine how it'll look with a black noctua fan.
Really want to get myself a velka 5, and then powdercoat some colorful stripes on it.
Combine it with a classic looking keyboard
Maybe a custom panel so I could get a larger CPU cooler that's beyond 47mm.
I'm pretty sure the Cryorig is beyond 47mm.
dusty pumice
I am gonna build a SFFPC in a month or two
nimble kite
Mm apparently undervolting made my pc more susceptible to crashes? Monitored both my gpu and cpu temps, everything was cool, then it just cuts off on me randomly.
Any idea guys what's causing it?
I wonder if it's the PSU.
nimble kite
1.25v I believe?
vapid crypt
The CPU?
nimble kite
ryzen 7 3700x
vapid crypt
Yeah I think going that low is only viable on better binned chips
fleet canopy
And you looked up for that, yeah?
nimble kite
The thing was, I was able to stream for like an hour or so without it ever doing anything on me.
Both CPU and GPU was cool, below 60s.
vapid crypt
Well okay its not a heating issue, it might be some kind of stability issue
vapid crypt
What kind of crash is it, just a BSOD?
nimble kite
screen just goes dark, music and all still playing in the background.
vapid crypt
Oh that sounds like a driver problem
I had something like that when trying to play Nioh on older drivers cause it wasn't working on the newer ones
nimble kite
Uh last crash was just overwatch, it said my render setting couldn't be found or something like that.
vapid crypt
What's your GPU again?
nimble kite
amd radeon 5700
vapid crypt
I see, what driver version are you on?
vapid crypt
.4 I think but right anyway
nimble kite
Ah yeah .4
vapid crypt
Yeah run DDU in safe mode to clear all driver files and registry
fleet canopy
5700/XT is pretty infamous for the drivers problem at the moment so yeah
fleet canopy
That's part of OS or need to download?
vapid crypt
It'll be in an AMD folder on your C drive
Yeah you need to download it
You can find it on Techpowerup
vapid crypt
I think you can anyway
fleet canopy
I guess, but my card is pretty good now
vapid crypt
Oh okay here I got a link
nimble kite
I got one from guru3d.com
fleet canopy
Yeah
nimble kite
Display Driver Uninstaller Download version 18.0.2.2
fleet canopy
Yeah
vapid crypt
Okay, good to go.
nimble kite
So I just run it? Anything else I should prepare?
vapid crypt
Basically boot into safe mode, run it. Select AMD driver, uninstall and restart
Like that's the option, its like two clicks
Then install the driver when you boot into normal mode
nimble kite
Aight, I'll be back in a few then.
vapid crypt
Nah it can't be PSU
If it were the PSU its protections would trip or something, like the computer would shut off
thorn vortex
Hi guys I'm new here and I'm going to install the games but I don't know can my pc runs the game
vapid crypt
If you were getting black screens with sound still running, that's the video drivers
thorn vortex
Can anybody helps pls?
vapid crypt
That'll give you an idea if you can run the game, if you need more help you can ask about what you have
nimble kite
You can also just download the thing on that website, and it'll let you know if you can or can't.
GTFO isn't that demand though, so you should be good? Might be wrong though.
nimble kite
Mm, well I'll try to stream and play and see what happens.
thorn vortex
Should I update the Graphic card?
nimble kite
Yep, will do. But just in case it does still occur, any ideas what it could be?
vapid crypt
I doubt it was anything but drivers, I'm sure that's the issue. If it still occurs, then its drivers being buggy. Maybe run the same process and get an older driver, maybe 20.1.2 since that's the current recommended driver
nimble kite
Alright, thanks again.
vapid crypt
And I guess you don't need to update your driver Max, you can update them if you wish; but since its Pascal its not really gonna make much a difference as far as performance is concerned
And one last thing Rin, did you undervolt the GPU as well?
nimble kite
Isn't the minimum an i5? isn't he sporting an i3?
Nope, I didn't touch the GPU at all.
vapid crypt
That's a quad core
thorn vortex
Yep
vapid crypt
Effectively the same as an old i5
nimble kite
vapid crypt
Something to consider, you can actually get like ~10% more performance if you were to flash a 5700XT Bios onto the 5700
thorn vortex
Effectively the same as an old i5
@vapid crypt Yeah now i3 9k version like i5 5k version
Strong af
LOL
vapid crypt
Uh that's really only recommended if the cooler on it is overbuilt, and the card has a dual bios
nimble kite
Nah pretty sure it's not. Using stock on everything. That's why I was wondering about the PSU on this one.
vapid crypt
Uh I would say its the same as a 7th gen i5
Since its the same architecture basically
vapid crypt
But yeah as far as min spec, like you're in the upper level
thorn vortex
Yeah lets add this game to cart 🙂
vapid crypt
1080p should be okay, I can't guarantee a framerate. At this point a 1050ti is barely a 1080p card, more of a 900p card. But considering this game was developed using older hardware, lower some settings it'll be fine
https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/gpu-ranking Pretty nice chart for you guys 
finite sentinel
So did some gaming, i'm getting good framerates on every game i had frame drops in previously
vapid crypt
Just from tuning timings?
vapid crypt
That makes sense
finite sentinel
before i was running 4400mhz at 16gb cl19 but now that i think about it, i think it was asynchronous
now im running 3600 cl14 synchronous
I just need to check BL3, battletech in an urban area and MW5
but astroneer is pretty big on memory speed requirements it seems
because i used to always drop below 60 in a cluttered environment but now 70+ always
i'm fine with 3600 cl14 or 3800 cl16
but i couldn't get 3800 cl16 to a stable clock =/
the only time i ran the 4400mhz at 2200 fclk i was too afraid of burning shit out to keep it that way
besides when i tried to run memtest my system slowed to a crawl
nimble kite
So I'm guessing I need a better cooler XD
But I should be able to play on high with no issues later on no? If I just change my cooler.
vapid crypt
I mean its not gonna throttle at that temp
But yeah better temps will yield better performance cause of how the boosting works
nimble kite
Nah, I just don't want it to ever get that hot :x
vapid crypt
So its not a fair comparison, but under most game loads my 2600 runs in the high 40s to mid 50s. With rare spikes to 60, it'll go to 60 and slightly above when streaming at the same time
finite sentinel
rin, what cpu?
vapid crypt
3700x with the stock cooler
finite sentinel
oh yea 81C is easy to hit
i hate the stock cooler, it even comes with that nasty gum they call thermal paste
fleet canopy
Gum
finite sentinel
i honestly think that crap insulates more than transfers heat :p
fleet canopy
haha
finite sentinel
it's garbage!
vapid crypt
Yeah its worth replacing the thermal paste
finite sentinel
scrape that shit off and get something better like arctic silver or noctua NH1... tho for the stock fan i think silver is best
median moon
kryonaut :D
vapid crypt
Get something decent like MX4, I got uh Coolermaster's Mastergel Maker
Its pretty good
fleet canopy
There's no really such thing as overkill for thermal paste, no?
finite sentinel
well the stock fan doesn't have enough pressure to spread a thicker paste
nimble kite
Was thinking of getting a noctua cooler
fleet canopy
NH-D15?
nimble kite
Looks ugly but gets the job done.
finite sentinel
get the d15
vapid crypt
Check out the Scythe Fuma 2
median moon
was about to say
finite sentinel
only thing better than d15 is water cooling
vapid crypt
Its 60 bucks, comparable to the D15
median moon
fuma 2 is a D15 for $20 less
fleet canopy
Yeah
median moon
Or take the Fuma 2 for $20/$30 less!
finite sentinel
i'm gonna be getting the H115i pro
fleet canopy
If you like Noctua or want Noctua instead be quiet
vapid crypt
They gotta justify the powder coat
finite sentinel
i wish there was a bracket for my seidon 240m
vapid crypt
Also for a budget cooler
fleet canopy
I feel like wanting an AIO loop soon enough haha
vapid crypt
Artic's Freezer 34 esports Duo is really good
nimble kite
Anything will do really as long as it doesnt make my cpu go nuclear
finite sentinel
well 81c is pretty normal for stock cooler under load
fleet canopy
Dark Rock Pro 4 comes with AM4 support if you like that
finite sentinel
if you get the d15 or similar and some decent paste you should be able to get down to 70-72 under load
nimble kite
81c in just a few minutes in the menu screen of BF:V 🙂
finite sentinel
depends on how good your case cooling is
yea under max load you'd probably hit 85-86 sustained
but that's still fine
up to 95C on the ryzen 3000 series is pretty normal for stock...
fleet canopy
AIO is way more expensive to get for something similar to a DRP4 or D15 equivalent, yeah?
finite sentinel
uh if you only want equivalent yes...
but if you want 30-50% better it's not much more
120 will get you a decent aio that will improve temps a LOT
i was looking at thermal benchmarks a while ago
lemme see if i can find the site
now, i don't know WHY teh d15 isn't on that list
but... it's a decent reference
vapid crypt
I'm pretty sure Artic's Liquid Freezer is like the best for the money
finite sentinel
honestly, we need more thermal benchmarks and comprehensive testing... i don't know of any sites that do that
nimble kite
I'll try to undervolt again and see if it helps.
vapid crypt
You want a comprehensive benchmarker for thermals
finite sentinel
up to 95C is EXPECTED
nimble kite
Aye, its a temp band-aid.
vapid crypt
I think Gamers Nexus does a pretty good job
fleet canopy
Gamers Nexus is way informative
finite sentinel
the tdp for the 3000 series is what? 115C?
vapid crypt
Also look at Techspot/HardwareUnboxed
I can't recall if they did in depth thermal testing
nimble kite
Mina, i've been experiencing random shut offs, thats why im trying to put everything on a low temp
vapid crypt
Gamers Nexus loves testing case thermals at the very least
finite sentinel
got any links? i'd love to see a site that does standardized benchmarking of many models
nimble kite
My case looks like an H500 so the intake isn't so good.
finite sentinel
did you check event viewer to see if it was a thermal event?
random shutoffs can be any number of things
nimble kite
by shut offs I meant
- screen goes black
- sometimes with still audio in the background
- sometimes nothing at all
- pc seems like it's still powered
vapid crypt
Yeah it could be the power supply failing, it could be the power supply overheating, it could be something causing the protections to trip
finite sentinel
that could easily be just about anything
vapid crypt
So you're still getting that issue
finite sentinel
memory, graphics driver issue, PSU issue etc
if the audio is still going properly it could be a display driver problem
nimble kite
I got rid of it earlier by undervolting, but seems like I couldn't stream + game anymore without causing the black screen thing
yeah we did a driver wipe earlier
vapid crypt
Is the issue persisting then?
nimble kite
El demonio, not right now, haven't ran into it yet.
Not that I have pushed the system yet.
So far tested it with overwatch and streaming, because i crashed with that set up earlier.
finite sentinel
Make sure you have the latest amd chipset drivers
nimble kite
Saying something about render was not found or something.
I'll test it with SW:BF2 and BF:V next
vapid crypt
You could try running a graphics benchmark on loop
vapid crypt
So its a pre-built, so I would hope fucking Cyberpower would handle that shit
finite sentinel
vapid crypt
B550 it exists
finite sentinel
Install the latest chipset driver
vapid crypt
OEM only oh boy
finite sentinel
that will get you the ryzen power profile
it very well could solve your problems though i'm not gonna say it WILL
median moon
OEM only oh boy 
nimble kite
Well it's installing now.
finite sentinel
good
nimble kite
Haven't installed this before, so could be that.
vapid crypt
Oh B550AM is just a rebranded B450
finite sentinel
the ryzen power profile is a pretty big deal
see i had a huge problem when i upgraded to the x570 + 3800x
vapid crypt
With an X570 south bridge, that's confusing
finite sentinel
i updated windows and they didn't have the new chipset driver yet
so it wouldn't boot 😛
seriously wtf is the deal with not having a new chipset driver when the old one doesn't function properly with the latest windows build -_-
vapid crypt
Someone dropped the ball, either Microshaft or AMD
finite sentinel
They released the new chipset drivers like 2-3 days after 1909 launched
nimble kite
So installed it, and everything. I guess benchmarking it would be better rather than trying to see if it crashes while I stream? lmao
finite sentinel
yes benchmarking will stress test for ya
vapid crypt
Get unigine heaven, and just let the loop run
finite sentinel
keep a monitoring program open like hwmonitor or hwinfo64
something that will show your temps and clocks
vapid crypt
And 1909 to be fair came out of nowhere
nimble kite
you mentioned about event viewer, which part does it show on there? just trying to go in and check
vapid crypt
Because NSA was like LOL SECURITY ON WINDOWS
finite sentinel
if you don't know how to use event viewer i can't really explain it
it's not simple stuff
im sure to most of us here it SEEMS simple
but it's not to those that aren't familiar
finite sentinel
yea ... i mean at this point im used to people barely knowing how to navigate the start menu
did you reboot after the chipset driver install?
cause that's kinda important
vapid crypt
What's a windows key
nimble kite
Yep, already did.
nimble kite
Isn't that why scams are rampant these days.
finite sentinel
scams are rampant because of ignorance of the scammed and greed of the scammers
vapid crypt
Ignorance can be taken advantage of unfortunately
finite sentinel
last time i "Fell for a scam" the guy ended up in cuffs :p
fleet canopy
Kek
finite sentinel
running a craigslist scam and not realizing they can still be tracked
vapid crypt
Where'd he drop the ball, not using a VPN or spoofing a number?
finite sentinel
using his actual bank on paypal
finite sentinel
i didn't get my money back but the piece of shit went to jail at least
vapid crypt
That's like the dumbest move
finite sentinel
I mean, when a deal looks too good to be true... it probably is
the only reason i bit was because it wasn't TOO unbelievable
What benchmark are you using Rin?
finite sentinel
temps and usage
nimble kite
finite sentinel
if your CPU isn't at full load then you'll know it's not likely the CPU, unless the temps are like 90+
which again i remind you is still within tolerance
looks good rin
i mean i don't know the program but those settings are decent unless there's a preset that is better 😛
finite sentinel
that looks fine
vapid crypt
Its a pretty old benchmark at this point, but it works fine
nimble kite
so I just leave it as is demonio?
vapid crypt
Sure just let it loop
nimble kite
or you want me to set it all to high lmao
finite sentinel
you can turn on anti-aliasing
vapid crypt
I'll put it this way
finite sentinel
would stress the gpu more
vapid crypt
Set it to how you set your game setting typically
finite sentinel
yea exactly
if you game with everything on high, go nuts
cause i game on high :p
i honestly think this bench won't cap your CPU though
im pretty sure this bench will be stressing GPU far more
nimble kite
not sure what tessellation is, nor stereo 3d
finite sentinel
stereo is 3D vision
vapid crypt
I have it set to high normally, and if I can I disable certain effects
Tesellation is a rendering method
finite sentinel
tessellation... i forget exactly
vapid crypt
Like it'll start rendering models with triangles I guess
nimble kite
well right now it's on extreme lol
fleet canopy
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