Think they do
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
maiden fiber
median moon
index best if you have $
vive best if you have some $
oculus quest best if you dont have $
i think this is the general consensus regarding VR nowadays
merry bay
If you don't have money and haven't tried anything better. The Oculus Quest is the way to go.
median moon
oh right the Quest exists
merry bay
It's not as high specced, but it has controllers and doesn't need any lighthouses. Doesn't need to connect to a PC either.
median moon
yeah
standalone is really cool, i figure if HTC or even Valve hop on that soon they'll have some big business
hell HTC already knows how to make a vr headset without lighthouses (cosmos, am getting one) so i figure their next step is a standalone
merry bay
Isn't the Cosmos that headset that everyone said to steer clear of? Bulky controllers and tracking failing often. Costs more than a vive too.
And the controller batteries only last 2-4 hours. Really low
fleet canopy
If that’s what you hear, just avoid it I guess
Maybe check on tech reviewers, I bet Linus had his share of experience with it
hard tiger
abstract kite
I got the perfect name for the WW1 horror game, Hysteria 1915
median moon
cosmos works better for me because i can't really put lighthouses anywhere without taking up space my family needs
my eyes also aren't the best for VR so i normally keep sessions whenever i get my hands on a headset under an hour
it's a more convenient option for me, there's plenty of bright light in my living room (the tracking only fails if there isn't good lighting) and controller bulk isn't an issue at all rly
urban gulch
@vapid crypt I got Index. 120 Hz and pretty nice!
merry bay
@median moon the thing that would drive me mad is the tracking having too many flaws. Getting close to your head or overlapping your controllers it freaks out.
e. x. you try to aim a weapon in Pavlov and you're just incapable of getting it close to your face.
median moon
i just took a look at the base stations for the vive and uh
wew
those are pretty compact
urban gulch
Yis
urban gulch
We talkin about VR not monitors >.>
dense wasp
@queen timber glad to hear 🙂
dense wasp
ouh, nice
dense wasp
woop
merry bay
Every card is different, only way to know is testing and see if it works fine.
patent needle
Careful not to burn your card out.
I’m too scared to try and overclock mine because I’m not gonna be able to replace mine if I burn it out.
stray gulch
@patent needle It's hard to burn your card, if you don't touch temp limit, your card will just crash if it will get too hot
patent needle
I know, I’m just scared because it’s an RTX 2070
And I don’t wanna risk the integrity or anything about it
I’ve over locked my old computers 1060 like it was cool but
I don’t have any cash to replace this shit
viscid prism
Still don't have any idea what you are all on about
urban gulch
@patent needle You got at least 1 year of guarantee :p
patent needle
I do?
vapid crypt
Modern cards now make it easy to just let you max out the power limit, and if you set the clock to max limit or whatever I'm pretty sure it just boosts as high as the silicon, power and temps allows at that point. Don't sweat it too much anyway, if you're happy with the performance you're getting then let it be.
bleak verge
I would like to translate the game into German 😋
urban gulch
If you’d like to help, please mail press(at)10chambers(dot)net and say that you’d like to help translate the game into German 🙂
abstract kite
???
gilded onyx
A gtx 1050 is good enough for this game right?
median moon
passable, yeah
median moon
check their faq or troubleshooting
abstract kite
technically i should go here
but i go there
i do the same sht
and it still asks me
vapid crypt
Makes sense that the 5600XT is performing the way it is cause it literally has the same die and shaders as the 5700, if it weren't power limited it would literally match the 5700 in everything except 1440p
Well within reason cause modern games are gonna be using quite a bit of vram in 1440p, 6gb might be the absolute minimum atm but that won't really last for too long
brazen spire
cant get 60 fps with 1080ti 4k high
while my friend with 1080ti get 100+ fps
this really weird
vapid crypt
In this game? What are the CPUs?
vapid crypt
Hmmm and you're both playing at 4k?
vapid crypt
Cause if that's the case, while 4k typically is GPU bound
median moon
also, @vapid crypt i have revised my build mind taking a look
median moon
sick reef
Boost 2.0 isn't that much of a difference if it's the same setup.
Are you running the same settings?
vapid crypt
Its likely simply a cpu bottleneck, try setting the cpu culling to low maybe?
sick reef
Like AA etc.
brazen spire
yes he high and me too
fxaa both
default
i get his fps in 2k
its like he git 2k perf with 4k setting
sick reef
And you have the same cooling solutions for your GPU?
brisk badger
how do you compare fps? staring at the same wall?
brazen spire
he has stock cooler il watercooled....
sick reef
GPU runs fairly worse at 99% as compared to 85~
So your watercooled is running worse. Are you running higher or lower temps than him?
brazen spire
what?
sick reef
What temperatures do your GPU's run at during Load?
noble arrow
watercool runs better then stock..
sick reef
No, I am not. At specifically 99% GPU usage, you get a noticeable performance decrease.
brazen spire
ofcourse
sick reef
Which is why I stated it.
brazen spire
no
sick reef
So what does his run at then, on load.
brazen spire
you mean throttle
brisk badger
No, I am not. At specifically 99% GPU usage, you get a noticeable performance decrease.
What
sick reef
Ye
brazen spire
thx
brisk badger
I say: no
vapid crypt
I've never heard of that tbh
noble arrow
You dont get a performance decrease you just get a lag spike
sick reef
It was the BattleNonSense conclusion after testing around.
brazen spire
hes wrong
sick reef
And as said, that was specifically running the GPU at 99%
noble arrow
running at 99 means you will be overloading and it will try to constantly reset, no decrease in performance though
vapid crypt
As far as I understand performance will only drop if you run out of Vram
Or indeed thermal throttling
noble arrow
Yeah
sick reef
85% might be a bit of a stretch, but I think his recommendation was around 90
brisk badger
idk about your gpu's but in my 16 years of playing around with gpu's I always had them at 100% load
brazen spire
unlocked fps is 99%
brisk badger
or at least it was the goal, sometimes singlethreaded applications
sick reef
I'll get what it was I watched.
brisk badger
may not get your gpu fully loaded
brazen spire
no more
noble arrow
ive run mine 100% and had the games run fine, cpu is what bottlenecks every time and causes performance issue not gpu in my experience
vapid crypt
I mean my GPU typically runs at 100% usage
brazen spire
vsync
brisk badger
they are meant to run with that usage. if my gpu only has 90% load it would not use the full core speed but throttle it rather
noble arrow
my gpu fans dont even turn on unless its at around 95%, you dont get any performance below that
vapid crypt
Yeah that's what I've noted, if the gpu isn't running at 100% or near that then it won't hit its target max clock
Likely because it isn't being utilized, so its downclocking to run more efficiently
sick reef
What it was was input lag.
In that link is what I saw.
As to the discussion, I was wrong regarding performance decrease.
bronze spruce
Hey guys, I got a friend that I know for a fact has completed A1 (and other levels), but now they logged on and it says A1 not completed. Any thoughts? We did a client restart.
sick reef
But wasn't what I was trying to really get at.
noble arrow
That answers none of the questions at hand lol
vapid crypt
Its a rare bug apparently, never had it happen to me personally
bronze spruce
Is there any way around this nasty progress reset bug?
noble arrow
Maybe ask the Devs
vapid crypt
I don't recall if there was a solution for it, they are aware of its existence though
brisk badger
@bronze spruce did not hear about that issue. If your friend did not clear A1 first but started with other mission, that will not make him progress. however if he did A1, then B1 or B2 etc. then he should have unlocked them
sick reef
Going back to the other guy, he shouldn't technically be running worse if he runs watercooled contra stock.
So it sure feels as if something is wrong.
That was what I was trying to get at.
brisk badger
tbh this fps comparison, how valid is it
sick reef
Pretty.
noble arrow
a 2600 vs a 3700x.. not quite valid in my books but still
brisk badger
how do they test it?
brisk badger
doing the same input, recording frames every second and compare?
he started with the same setup but cpu is different. Probably everything is different
sick reef
Because either something really is wrong, it's a game quirk, or they have in actuality different settings.
brisk badger
you can't just compare fps
vapid crypt
Yeah not only are you comparing 6 to 8 cores, which doesn't matter in this game most likely; but you're also comparing 13% better IPC and a processor that has like what double the L3 cache?
sick reef
If it's Ryzen it could be RAM timings as well.
noble arrow
if your components are different you cant expect the same result
brisk badger
even looking at the same place does not mean both should get the same fps
noble arrow
i wouldnt complain about 60fps on 4k though lol
sick reef
You won't get double your graphical performance due to the CPU.
brazen spire
i got 3200 cl14 ram
sick reef
Isn't feasible.
brisk badger
100fps in 4k seem a lot to me tbh with their setup
brazen spire
i agree
sick reef
Unless you ran atom against 7700+
noble arrow
maybe its 4k upscaled. not native
sick reef
^
brazen spire
even if setting is 4k
noble arrow
I wouldnt even run this game at 4k tbh. theres no reason, the textures arent detailed enough to notice a difference
noble arrow
either that or hes got all his components overclocked in order to run that
which still seems like its a push
You sure he doesnt have a 2080ti?
lol
vapid crypt
There was this dude complaining about getting 100fps with a 1080ti at 1440p a while back, think he was using a 7700k. He was complaining cause it wasn't perfect 144... so that's pretty consistent to what's been said
If that's the case I doubt there's a 1080ti out there that can get 100 in 4k
noble arrow
1080ti is quite outdated now for those figures so yeah
2k was more popular for the 1080 4k wasnt really a thing then
brisk badger
idk but the 2080 is not a super jump in performance from a 1080
maybe at 4k there is a bigger difference
vapid crypt
No not the 2080, but the 2080ti is ~30% faster, maybe more
sick reef
How the fuck do you fuck up your resolutions in settings tho
brisk badger
30% faster than a 1080ti?
vapid crypt
That's correct, the 2080ti is about that much faster
sick reef
And more consistent frame times
noble arrow
2080ti was basically made to run 4k
noble arrow
yeah
sick reef
With T-AA I get it, because it's cheating, but this just sounds like someone trying to "one up" their friend.
vapid crypt
Not sure if that makes sense, what happens if he sets the resolution to 1440p
brazen spire
we will try
im sure fps will stay the sale
same
cant get 50 fps difference wuth same gpu
sick reef
You can
vapid crypt
Also you might have to restart the game after any resolution changes, I'm not entirely sure but it might not take effect immediately
brazen spire
impossible
sick reef
But not like that
brisk badger
dont forget to stand at the exact same place looking at the same direction
sick reef
Usually takes that one GPU is in a horrible condition though.
vapid crypt
Also check your clock speeds
brazen spire
its on the first scene
sick reef
Though doesn't seem like the case.
brazen spire
he get 100+ i droo to 55
sick reef
First scene as in after the drop?
brazen spire
look
vapid crypt
Where you're just standing there at spawn
brazen spire
look osd top left
gpu 99 fps 58
at this time he get 100+ fps
impossible in 4k for me
brazen spire
no i dont
sick reef
Get one.
brazen spire
but i trust him is really good friend and we dont understand
why so much difference in fps
sick reef
Direct comparison is an easier way to actually get to realize why.
Because otherwise it's just spinning theories.
vapid crypt
Also what is your cpu culling workload set to?
brazen spire
ive got his screens
vapid crypt
I don't actually know how much impact it would have on framerate, I'm more so curious
brisk badger
comparing fps like that is almost impossible to find a proper solution
sick reef
It'd still be roughly equal.
brisk badger
doesn't look like the same FOV at all
sick reef
Why does he have two mem tabs for GPU?
brisk badger
see so many factors that can fake this comparison
brazen spire
he have fov maxed out
vapid crypt
I was asking about this setting
vapid crypt
See what that does is it offloads rendering onto the CPU
sick reef
this is part the "do you have the same settings" stuff
brazen spire
allright
vapid crypt
Eh maybe, set it to whatever his is at
brisk badger
and you believed him after he said "only the cpu's are different" lol
vapid crypt
Or not, its not exactly fair since his CPU is faster too
sick reef
No
brazen spire
but my gpu 99 usage so no bottleneck
sick reef
But I'm trying to find out more.
vapid crypt
No, there's def a bottleneck even if the usage doesn't make it apparent
brazen spire
i think maybe the high load cpu cannot give high fps when gpu is 99 usage
brisk badger
your gpu is the bottleneck but that's totally fine
brisk badger
this game is not really cpu intense and also not very much multitasked
sick reef
So, him having two mem tabs in the GPU MEM doesn't mean he runs dual GPU then, or would it show two GPU's?
brazen spire
gpu
no hes only one gpu
1080ti
same as me
just me r5 2600 and him 3700x
cpu culling is the key i hope
and its an alpha so
brisk badger
maybe he is good in having a clean OS
brisk badger
depending on what you have installed and running in the background, yea
brisk badger
true
brazen spire
background is what run in backgriund nothing related with os
brazen spire
i have nothing in background and standby list cleaner clean my ram
sick reef
He is trying to communicate an idea, not a fact.
brisk badger
I think you guys just have too different systems to make the comparison. there is yet to be proven he runs 4k natively
he cannot even make a screenshots GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
brazen spire
hes good friend he dont lie lol
sick reef
Yeah, that's an odd one.
brazen spire
we just got different cpu
brisk badger
and probably he does not troll but not understand or tell something
brazen spire
you dont trust me? ok np
sick reef
We have tried, but it's very unspecific.
brisk badger
you guys have not even the same screenshots
brazen spire
and?
sick reef
It becomes more theory crafting than actual concrete work.
And then we can never find out why.
brisk badger
it's like you guys play different games on different resolution then compare
brazen spire
it's like you guys play different games on different resolution then compare
@brisk badger this
brisk badger
comparing fps like that is very difficult if not impossible. sure you can get rough estimates of what is okay and not but by simply staring at the same direction doesnt mean you should get the same FPS
brisk badger
yea and I tell you that's dumb
it's not the same scene when I check the two pictures
brazen spire
ok
brisk badger
you look at totally different things with different FOV
brazen spire
he have more fov and more fps
even if it wasnt same scene should not have so much fps difference
brisk badger
i can only recommend what labcat said, or try a benchmark software that focuses on gpu stuff, so you have an approx. comparison
yes and no
brazen spire
will try down cpu culling
brisk badger
it's a huge difference but maybe you look through a wall and behind are 10 sleepers?
i guess relevancy makes them render
sick reef
If you haven't tried culling yet, do so.
Because that should have been done when you noticed you had them set differently.
brazen spire
i mean i never go over 70 fps while hil is alaways around 100 even in fight
so yes thats weird
brisk badger
that's more useful info. personally I think he doesn't run 4k, but 2k, maybe upscaled as someone said
brisk badger
oh I get it now, you both a screenshot when you got dropped out of the pod
brisk badger
the HUD almost looks identical so yea maybe he is on 4k
brazen spire
you understand me now?
im familiar with this and never see something like that
with same gpu
brisk badger
i think 100FPS+ is quite a lot for 4k. Your fps seem much more realistic
brazen spire
i 100% agree with you
but his hud look 4k
so
what the hell
i go shower after gonna down cou culling and i let you know
brisk badger
i am about to search his monitor but I need to go sleep
brazen spire
allright
brisk badger
maybe the devs will add in the far future a benchmark into GTFO. Would be nice but is more luxury
brazen spire
back
they should first add matchmaking lol
gonna try down cpu culling
damn i hate alphas
fleet canopy
@median moon at this point, go for a 2080/ Super with that CPU haha
Unless you already got GPU
Because 3900X is a tad overkill for it
median moon
my CPU and GPU are birthday gifts
median moon
i can't really stretch my budget beyond the $1000 already on those
median moon
not really
fleet canopy
Ah, okay
median moon
maximum frames
median moon
intel in 2020
median moon
plus i'm not only doing gaming, school will be requiring me to do a lot more online projects in the coming years and i want good performance for those
plus i'll be helping my friend video edit and eventually streaming myself later down the line
also X570 > Z390
brazen spire
3700x is enough
brisk badger
else you can always rent out some cores to me incase they are unused
brazen spire
downlaod cores
vapid crypt
Maybe in 30 years
fleet canopy
5900XT link?
brazen spire
3d print your gpu
brisk badger
i mean you can rent clusters
vapid crypt
Actually considering how cloud gaming is starting to be more prevalent, in a way
fleet canopy
As long as the damn AMD GPU doesn’t have bad updates like 5700/XT
median moon
downloading my PSU
vapid crypt
You will be able to download a gpu 
median moon
@vapid crypt 2070: people are now downloading cases
brazen spire
download money
vapid crypt
That's semantics though
fleet canopy
2070: people download everything
brisk badger
downloading cases can already a thing with 3d printers :p
vapid crypt
Its like how you can stream your games to whatever device using Steam already
brazen spire
if we can download money then thats the end of this world
brisk badger
aren't the next gen consoles offloading some physics to cloud to compute?
vapid crypt
I didn't hear about that, but I wouldn't be surprised
vapid crypt
Maybe that's how they're doing the ray tracing
fleet canopy
The world is unlike Cyberpunk 2077
brazen spire
announcement of dying light 2 and cyberpunk delayed in the same week .. ouch
brisk badger
please, never work with windows server or anything with windows and that regard
fleet canopy
Instead of cool cars, guns, and a cool city, you get animals of nature, a vast barren land of death, and very limited resources
Dying Light 2 was delayed as well? Damn
vapid crypt
Eh, Dying Light was fun
fleet canopy
WDL?
median moon
watch dogs legion
vapid crypt
But the final boss for the normal campaign wasn't a fight and extremely disappointing
brazen spire
watchgogs is trash
vapid crypt
And The Following was it, that ending was shit
brazen spire
dude
brisk badger
good games have to be delayed.
else the publisher is putting pressure on the dev team and they have to release a half finished game before christmas sale starts etc.
fleet canopy
They could have used some improvements in the Watchdogs game, but it was fun overall
Just not something you’d play for 500 hours
fleet canopy
Ah
vapid crypt
The last games I played from Ubisoft was Farcry 2, never finished it
brazen spire
farcry 2 was insane
vapid crypt
Got kinda long in the tooth, maybe that's my fault for trying to do everything
brazen spire
a video compare farcry 2 vs farcry 5 and the physic in farcry 2 is just amzing compare to the 5
vapid crypt
That crowbcat video I guess
fleet canopy
Rainbow Six isn’t too bad
vapid crypt
Yeah my buddy told me Farcry 5 has good gunplay, but over all pretty boring
brazen spire
rainbow six is fantastic
brisk badger
far cry 5 has amazing OST (songtracks)
median moon
R6S good
vapid crypt
When's Ding Chavez coming back
fleet canopy
Rainbow six siege is a pretty great competitive game, and the mechanics are very well done
Fuck clash though
brazen spire
far cry 5 has amazing OST (songtracks)
@brisk badger i prefer good physic
median moon
@fleet canopy :(...
brisk badger
tried playing coop with gf but I got a bit bored by the game
brisk badger
you can listen to the songs without owning the game though :p
median moon
clash isn't OP, her teammates are
fleet canopy
Kek
median moon
her SMG is also objectively one of the best MPs in the game though i'll give you that
fleet canopy
Clash is just a fucking human deployable
median moon
no running in the halls
fleet canopy
Bzzzt bzzzt
fleet canopy
Bzzzt bzzt bzzzt bzzt
Not unless I have ash with her boom boom or the AK girl with that thing that propels you backwards and you fall
pearl tide
chills in warden
serene folio
Nomad
viscid prism
Noice
brazen spire
someone with 1080ti?
hexed horizon
for what
brazen spire
for comapre performance
my friend get 112 fps in 2k then 108 fps in 4k
with same gpu than me while i get 55 fps in 4k
2K
4k
jade ermine
Can we all start using 1440p
2K is kinda
brisk badger
it's both 2k, it has to be
silver flare
it is I the master of the screeshots 🙂
brisk badger
the loss of 4fps going 4k is not possible
brazen spire
no you can see the osd is smaller in 4k
silver flare
true
brazen spire
i agree, shouldnt have 4 fps difference between 2k and 4k
i get 100+ in 2k and 55 in 4k
brisk badger
F12 is the key to make screenshots
brisk badger
that's a photo
silver flare
hold on ill take a screenshot
brazen spire
you acn see osd is smaller so whats the point?
brisk badger
the game looks 1:1 the same
brisk badger
yes but not the game
brisk badger
a game in 4k has automatically a wider FOV
brazen spire
no resolution and fov are 2 different things
merry bay
higher fov = more things are visible = more things to render
merry bay
well your earlier comparison had visibly different FOV's
brisk badger
please just stand at the same location looking at the same direction
brisk badger
it makes it easier to compare
brazen spire
he will bring new screenshot quick
brisk badger
and both of your in-game video settings are the same
silver flare
brisk badger
The osd shows under "MEM" two valus? I am confused
brisk badger
now that's a proper screenshot. looks like 4k. I can't open my game atm and check how it looks on 1440p but it looks imo like 4k.
merry bay
Tell your friend to switch to lower resolution and back to 4K
brisk badger
who is the host?, or was that solo
silver flare
hapcher that what i did
brazen spire
and 108 in 4k
brisk badger
personally the HUD looks a bit like 1440p. But I never played it on 4k. I would have guessed it would be smaller on that size
merry bay
I was able to make screenshots of my options screen with 4K resolution selected, but it was really just 1080p. Switching back and forth it did it properly
you can even see the framtime curve
silver flare
my ram corsair pro vengence 3200
brazen spire
there is something really weird here
merry bay
He's not running the game at 4K that's for sure
merry bay
Set it to a lower resolution. Restart.
Go back to a higher resolution. Restart again.
It said 4K in my options too, but I had the exact same fps as 1080p
had to do it a few times to properly switch
brazen spire
thats was i was thinking first
brisk badger
i checked his screenshot. it's 4k. not saying the game is 4k but the screenshot is
silver flare
perhaps the game is broken -_-
merry bay
That could just be his screen being 4K.
silver flare
what can i say
brazen spire
alpha things lol
brisk badger
That's what I think too hapcher
merry bay
Alt-tabbing in 4K and going back I automatically switch back to 1080p.
Options screen still says 4K.
But my case is a little different because I'm doing it through DSR. No 4K screen, only forcing the render at 4K
cold lily
109775241087809948
viscid prism
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fleet junco
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
median moon
nerd
brazen spire
noob
brazen spire
someone with 1080ti?
tender badge
me
merry bay
The only outlier is your friend. His game is not working in 4k.
He's getting the same fps with both 1440p and 4k.
40-70fps is what you can expect from a 1080ti @4k
brazen spire
allright
that what i was thinking
1080ti cannot run any recent game at 190 fps in 4k
and even not 69fps sometimes
so yes
odd alpha thing
sick reef
Yeah.
abstract kite
managed to oc
to 2666mhz
->
from 2133 > 2666
noticing like 5-10 fps difference tbh
abstract kite
@abstract kite 2666 is still pretty low tbh
I'll be available in about three hours
we can try to work on it then if you wish
all other shit i tried tend to like
fk up my bios
dusty pumice
@abstract kite i needs to stil too
abstract kite
@dusty pumice bet
it like
reverted me to
bakcup bios
had to flahs it again
and shit
What all did you try to adjust?
ugh one friends preset
like drddrw smth
-dd
and shit
complicated shit XD
Different ram sticks use different manufactures, you can have samsung dims, micron dims, and hynix.
yeh u said that already but like idk shit about it all
My sticks are Hynix iirc
So not all settings will work
idk where to find mine
Open command prompt as administrator and type in this command
wmic memorychip get devicelocator, manufacturer
You might be able to just copy and paste it
median moon
bIL
abstract kite
Okay well thats helpful
XD
Type this in now
wmic memorychip get devicelocator, partnumber
Sup glass
median moon
hullo
abstract kite
abstract kite
no single clue
attempting to oc my 2133 to 3133
or more
xD
No
this is command prompt
Can you copy and paste the part number in a DM to me Coffee?
I'll check the ram stick manufacture
also try this and send the info here
wmic memorychip list full
wait what again u need
ah
The part number
this
Thanks
it looks like you have micron die
not bad
is that bad or
xd
oh
XD
well IT SURE AINT GOING ABOVE 2666
if its not bad
xD
should go 4k
lmfao
Lmao
Voltages are probably what's holding you back
yeah cause
when i boot
it
clicks that "-"
from top left
to like a bit down
does it like 3 times
and then shuts down
Download CPU-Z and screenshot the memory tab
starts
shuts down
stars
Like this
Now go to the SPD
Send me that
Select slot 2
and 4
Fucking finally
I didnt want to go off the assumption
that it was micron
XDDDDDD
thankfully we now know for sure
LMAO
Well I need to get back to work
median moon
👁️
abstract kite
so I'll DM you later
median moon
wait !!11!1
abstract kite
Ye?
median moon
damn.
abstract kite
Whats up glass
abstract kite
Gigabyte boards are kinda wack
I had one
they suck
Swapping to a better board that's cheaper
Everything else looks solid imo
cough...
im on one aswel
<--- dies in side
xD
fml man
Wait
ASUS and others were so expensive
hang on glass
median moon
huh
abstract kite
I like the case you're thinking of using
But I recommend you get another intake fan
The ram can be swapped out for better sticks since we can drop to the ASUS TUF
median moon
what would i switch the RAM with then
abstract kite
Removing the extra fans, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78MRzN
Basically the same price
abstract kite
Better heatsinks too
abstract kite
Not really
more fans would be optimal
but if you can't budge on price, you should be good for the most part
the meshify c (my case too) is a really good case
for airflow
median moon
more fans will probably be my first priority then
but i'm not getting my VR rig or anything hyper intensive until later so that should be fine
thank bil 📣 🤗
fleet canopy
Also if you are Are Tee Axe man, you can get a 3800X, overclock it to as high as you could which might get you near 3900X probably, and then you could get a 2080 or 2080 Super
abstract kite
@fleet canopy Nope. 3000 has little to no OC ability. 3900X swamps because of the extra 4 cores over a 3700/3800X
What you buy is what you get within a 10% margin
fleet canopy
Hm
But with spending more on the GPU, he may get more gaming performance than just getting a 3900X and 2070 Super
abstract kite
Is he buying it just for gaming?
fleet canopy
I’d just get a 3700X and 2080 Super, then later on get one of the Ryzen 4000 CPUs
Yeah lol
abstract kite
The 3900X will outlive 8 cores longer
@median moon What are you buying this PC for?
fleet canopy
He’s mentioned some other stuff, but he doesn’t seem to need so many cores for now, and the 12c ryzen 4000 cpu could really be a better benefit than 3900X
He probably was also gonna do some blender stuff, but eh
2080 Super is still good enough for it
abstract kite
Thats true, but how urgent is this PC needed?
I run a 3700X with intention of going to 12c/16c 4000, but I understand not everyone has the cash to get a higher end placeholder chip
Oh and blender?
Keep the 3900X
No questions
fleet canopy
Honestly I’d still get a 3700X or a 3800X, because a laptop CPU by AMD beat a 9700K lol
dusty pumice
@abstract kite I need your help today
Otherwise i will look somewhere else
im getting in trouble time schedule wise
I should of ordered my parts yesterday
dusty pumice
@abstract kite tbh i dont know if it even matters
lol
i dont think i can get the parts anymore in time
fleet canopy
It’s not about beating intel. It’s that if a laptop CPU can beat a desktop CPU that powerful, I’m expecting their 4000 desktop CPUs to be even better than that
dusty pumice
for this weekend so nvm
dusty pumice
Doesnt matter
fleet canopy
Possibly will beat the 9900KS too
abstract kite
Damn
dusty pumice
i should of done it yesterday
now i wont have the parts in this weekend
and cant do shit other than testing my pc
and bios update
well fuck me
anyway im heading out see you in 15 mins or so
fleet canopy
And AMD is the price for performance king. They definitely won’t make it too expensive for a 12c ryzen 4000 cpu
abstract kite
@fleet canopy I get your point. It’s valid, but if he’s intending on doing that he should get a 3600 and wait.
Again, thats $200 that he’s wasting on a chip he wont need in a few months.
Have a good one Groundus
Take care
fleet canopy
Yeah
abstract kite
$200
fleet canopy
300$ more on budget, and he could land himself a 2080 Super
abstract kite
Its not all about the GPU
With your same argument, why buy a RTX 2000 card now when Ampere will probably be much better
fleet canopy
I’d have recommended him a 2080 ti if he were to go for performance lmao
abstract kite
Building PCs is a lot like having children. It’s never a good time. There will always be something bigger and better by the time you’ve completed your build
fleet canopy
Amphere may be better, but by now, what games even need that power?
median moon
@abstract kite gaming, video editing, streaming, possibly blender or some other modeling program if i get CAD classes in junior year
fleet canopy
And like 2080 Super could probably run any game at near max settings with 1080p 144hz
Hm
abstract kite
@median moon Buy the 3900X then.
median moon
minor development in ROBLOX Studio too
fleet canopy
Yeah I’d just wait tbh
dusty pumice
@fleet canopy What games needed RTX when that released?
abstract kite
@dusty pumice my point
median moon
also there is no
way
in hell
i could make a balanced build in my budget with a 2080ti
fleet canopy
You wouldn’t. But it doesn’t mean you’re not going to get a 2080 Ti or even better one
You wanted to do blender, some stuff like that, yeah?
median moon
VR too cant forget that
fleet canopy
2080 Ti is literally the best gaming GPU as of right now, and a great blender render card
abstract kite
Let me ask something Mayo
A 2070 Super is about equivalent to a 2080. Are you telling me that's not enough for blender? That's plenty for blender work and the extra cores on the 3900X would compliment it well.
For a workstation, that's pretty balanced
2080 Super would be great, sure.
But it's not necessary for the intended use.
Blender really only needs a GPU with 1GB of VRAM at the bare minimum
Optimal is 12GB but he doesn't have the money for that and the 3900X
fleet canopy
Yeah but wouldn’t mean it can’t improve time cuts if I were to get a better GPU
abstract kite
That's true yes
fleet canopy
Indeed
abstract kite
but
fleet canopy
And AMD is currently killing it right now with their CPUs
abstract kite
You're failing to see the point of having the extra cores on the 3900X
fleet canopy
I understand the fact that having more cores is great for that sort of thing
abstract kite
Streaming would take use of them immensely and it's plenty for blender.
A 2070 Super is double the recommended for Blender.
It's
Fine
median moon
lemme grab the tr 3990x real quick-
abstract kite
LMAO
fleet canopy
Haha good luck getting that
abstract kite
@median moon All in all, your build is fine.
But because Mayo insists on the idea that a 3700X is sufficient for your needs, and that you need a better GPU, here's the same list, but modified with a better GPU and lower CPU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BWmYL2
My only concern is that you'll run into some issues with the 3700X not being enough for all of your tasks, but the choice is up to you.
median moon
me, putting the tr3990x and an rtx titan in a matx mini case
abstract kite
Lmao You're gonna need an EATX board for a 3990X
fleet canopy
Lol yeah
abstract kite
Honestly you could get away with not using that cooler as well
median moon
but
abstract kite
since the 3700X doesn't draw near as much power
median moon
i think i'll stay with the 3900X build
fleet canopy
It’s not like you’re always gonna use for game
It has better speeds for blender
Why did I get a call from my own phone number?
abstract kite
Spam
median moon
blender's only if i get CAD design next year
fleet canopy
Well I thought you’d still be doing it otherwise
median moon
100% of my 3D modeling has either been in SketchUp (8th grade class) or ROBLOX Studio
median moon
📣
fleet canopy
If you are gonna do streaming, and probably not do blender if you don’t get CAD Design, then pretty much go for 3900X
median moon
pushing for ASAP
abstract kite
Do you have a GPU currently?
median moon
no, i have none of my parts ordered
fleet canopy
Don’t think he does
median moon
finalizing the build before i move on to getting parts
abstract kite
Okay that clears what I was thinking up
median moon
MSI craptop
dusty pumice
So you have zero desktop parts?
dusty pumice
Ok makes sense no worrys just asking
fleet canopy
He has a birthday coming up
median moon
yes
fleet canopy
That’s neat
median moon
the gift was 1x free coupon for epic cpu/gpu
but yeah, my timeframe is to have this before the end of school's third quarter
median moon
that's obviously a 100% ideal scenario
fleet canopy
Pretty much go for 3900X and a 2070 Super
median moon
ye S
fleet canopy
If some random ass sale comes up, hopefully you can get more for your price
median moon
i'm also trying to futureproof it as much as i can considering i'm gonna have to start being more financially independent
dusty pumice
in 6 - 7 months?
dusty pumice
I mean if you have a little bit more time to wait with that "Coupon"
fleet canopy
Yeah I’m hoping to futureproof before life becomes very “Be independent”
dusty pumice
you could buy into Nvidia 30 series
median moon
i do not have time to wait with that "Coupon"
fleet canopy
Yeah
dusty pumice
When does it need to be spend then
dusty pumice
Well then ur stuck with what you have now basicly
median moon
i mean ok
dusty pumice
In pc partpicker
median moon
that's fine
dusty pumice
These components will be good to you for a few years to come to be honest
fleet canopy
Indeed
dusty pumice
Its just that with my own money
i like to buy into the fresh released product and if you want to future proof thats the smarter thing to do
But hey if you are being forced to spend that 1000 then spend it
median moon
i'm not being forced, it's just that i want to get this done quickly
dusty pumice
When is the next year of school starting?
median moon
if i wasn't currently dealing with a laptop that takes 2 minutes to boot i'd probably wait for new products yeah but i dont really have that kind of time
september
fleet canopy
Ends in June something
fleet canopy
Aka cooberounk 2077
median moon
npcyberpunk
dusty pumice
Yeah but i wouldnt recommend stepping into a fresh cpu release if you need it for important things like work or schooling
fleet canopy
I’ll never have the summer to play it :(
median moon
i don't need it for important things
yet
fleet canopy
Eh I’m getting Tarkov this weekend probably
median moon
but i do need it to not be out of a PC until nvidia gets their asses in gear with 3000
so
fleet canopy
So it’s probably gonna be good fun I guess, my brother asked me to add him whenever I get it so there’s someone to play it with at least haha
median moon
tarkov looks fun
dusty pumice
I just wanted that bit of extra information to know your time frame
fleet canopy
Oh it looks amazing
median moon
albeit not anywhere near my style
dusty pumice
if i dont know it or dont know if your "forced" to spend it now
fleet canopy
VTM?
median moon
vampire: the masquerade
median moon
@dusty pumice i don't have a deadline but i do have the constant aggravation of my craptop being a craptop
fleet canopy
Doesn’t mean you can’t learn to play it 
dusty pumice
I do get that
median moon
i'd like to not have to wait 7 minutes to boot MW and then play it at 30fps on low settings
median moon
throw lag and heat into the mix aanndd wellll
dusty pumice
I would recommend something but i dont know if its feasible for you since probably when school starts you will have zero moneys
so theres that
median moon
with this current build already i'll have zero moneys
and more than half of it isn't even being funded by me
so like
dusty pumice
Thats rough