#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

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maiden fiber
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if the budget allows for it

tight garden
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is that what it launched at?

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What was he thinking

maiden fiber
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wait which cpu??

tight garden
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i7-7800x

maiden fiber
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yikes

vapid crypt
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It launched at just under 400 or something

fleet canopy
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I saw it as 400$ on

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Yeah

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It must have increased because not manufactured anymore

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And must be so damn rare to find one

vapid crypt
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Still expensive as fuck considering this was post Ryzen, but they can justify it cause of PCIe lanes and quad channel memory

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That price you're seeing is just old stock with an inflated price

maiden fiber
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dont like it when those things happen..

fleet canopy
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On the bonus if you do have a part you don’t use anymore, you can keep and probably sell for a huge price maybe

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Not gonna really common, but it might happen

tight garden
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I sold my R9 290 to my mate for $40

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lol

fleet canopy
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Not bad Kek

tight garden
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Any reason why pcpartpicker has no results for Asrock mobos?

vapid crypt
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I see them phaSheva

tight garden
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I can't load any mobo at all

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weird

fleet canopy
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Eggsbensive board

tight garden
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yeah

vapid crypt
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Its not as pricey in the US, but yeah that's a good board

fleet canopy
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Thinking of it now, if you’re correct on 7800X being 1000$ or some shit, you could sell this for 2000-2500$ together

tight garden
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I'll have to come back to this later

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Gotta head out

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but

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from what you guys are saying

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probably worth using my free parts

vapid crypt
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I doubt it, I heard motherboard manufacturers have a bunch of x299 boards that they can't move

tight garden
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Thanks people

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I doubt they would sell that high

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I mean I could try lol

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but thats insane

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Cyas

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back later

fleet canopy
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Can always check market

digital beacon
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Hey, is anyone alive to answer a quick question on computer building and stuff? Small glitch happening with my usbs after windows running where it works in the bios, but not after

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I have a B450 | AORUS

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As my mobo, a Ryzen 7 if that makes any different as my cpu

median moon
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good news

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i have stopped being a goddamn idiot and joined the red team

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thoughts

dusty pumice
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LOL glass

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what was the old list again

median moon
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the same with a diff motherboard, i9-9900KS and a UPS

dusty pumice
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You finnally changed to a 1g thermal paste too 🤪

median moon
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im only switching over because Ryzen 4000 looks balls to the wall insane and i dont want to have to switch mobos later on

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intel still has better frames >:c

dusty pumice
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Ryzen 4000 can stil be delayed but yeah its close

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Like how cyberpunk 2077 got delayed today = (

median moon
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wew

dusty pumice
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Sadtimes

median moon
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r4000 is coming out in like the summer

dusty pumice
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Id probably be full focus on halo by that time

median moon
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i dont plan on waiting that long tbh

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but still

vapid crypt
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5% better frames is worth it for being worse everywhere else PirateSimon

median moon
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👉 👉

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Wew

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no i'm pretty sure it's this year

dusty pumice
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Should be summer 2020?

median moon
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could be wrong though i havent done too much research on amd

vapid crypt
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600 series chipsets is said to come out before the end of the year

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Also best VRM x570 for the money is probably the Gigabyte Aorus Elite, but that fucking thing doesn't have enough fan headers from what I recall

dusty pumice
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Likely in mid- or late-2020

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I mean it stil can be delayed lol

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Its just speculations for the most part

median moon
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zen4 5nm?????????????

vapid crypt
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Uh yeah most likely

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That's the next node to shrink to

median moon
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electron tunneling's gonna be a bitch though

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also, threadripper 4000 hype
64 cores

vapid crypt
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Oh wait I just remembered, for sub 200 the X570 TUF is the best one. It has the beefiest VRM and decent feature set. Only possible issue is a big ass card blocking the chipset fan or something phaSheva

vapid crypt
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I'm not sure, but I think most of the X570 msi boards initially released aren't that great. Even the Gaming Pro Carbon, sub par VRMs for over 200

median moon
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ah hell i just saw it doesn't fit the D15 >:(

vapid crypt
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They're releasing a X570 Tomahawk soon which should be good but that's also gonna be over 200

median moon
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any recommendations under $200

vapid crypt
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The Asus TUF, or the Gigabyte Aorus Elite; I think the Gigabyte one has literally one chassis fan header though which is fucking dumb ConfusedUlf

vapid crypt
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No wait its two, but its in shitty spots

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There's one without Wifi that's like 30 bucks less, unless you want the Wifi

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Popular board though, everyone kinda knows its the go to

median moon
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well i mean

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the wifi would be kinda nice

vapid crypt
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Why the 3900X over the 3700X?

median moon
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  1. maximum frames and performance
  2. i'm not paying for it
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the CPU/GPU are birthday gifts

vapid crypt
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I see

median moon
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Emphasis on the first point, I am an addict when it comes to juicing those sweet fps

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anyways

vapid crypt
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Okay so if the cpu and gpu you aren't paying for, what's the budget for the rest of the system then?

median moon
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solid $1k with peripheral and monitor included

vapid crypt
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So I recently heard that the Focus G sucks without extra fans, I think in passing from a Gamers Nexus video or something

median moon
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i can pick up a few fans

vapid crypt
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Good idea, dunno how good those intakes it come with is

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But it would be worth getting at least the one exhaust

median moon
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dunno what size to get though. :l

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i'm assuming 120mm

vapid crypt
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120mm for exhaust

median moon
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should i get only one or

vapid crypt
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One for positive pressure or two for neutral pressure

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Oh it can take a bottom fan

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I guess as an intake phaSheva

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And that's 120mm

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Just don't put that on carpet, or a dusty floor phaWesker

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Actually it looks like you would have to remove the hard drive cage for that

median moon
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eech

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no

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i'll pick up the one fan for the exhaust then

vapid crypt
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For exhaust it couldn't be better I bet

median moon
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nice

vapid crypt
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So why the 32gb of RAM, do you really think you could use all that?

median moon
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i'm upgrading to 64GB later down the line

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using 16GB sticks because my mobo of choice only has 4 slots

vapid crypt
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Well if you want more you get Threadripper at that point phaMoira

median moon
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threadripper not good for gaming >:(

vapid crypt
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What's that for though?

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Funny enough I'm pretty sure the new threadripper is on par or better, at least the 24 core I think phaSheva

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I might be wrong, its 2am and I can't think all too well right now

median moon
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mainly just maneuvering Windows faster because good god it eats ram

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64GB of ram isn't my first priority though, that's more just a futureproof for when 16GB starts becoming minimum specs

vapid crypt
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Took a while for 8 to become minimum, I wouldn't worry about it really. That probably won't be the case until DDR5 is a thing in the consumer market

median moon
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most games are eating 12-13gb pretty easily as of rn, i'm predicting it won't take long for 16gb to be a recommended minimum

vapid crypt
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What games are using up that much RAM?

median moon
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definitely MW, and i've even seen RDR2 taking that sometimes on my mum's pc

vapid crypt
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Well RDR2 is a disaster level pc port that Rockstar and 2k should be ashamed of PirateSimon

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But they have no shame, so that makes no difference

median moon
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also ARK for sure

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and arkham knight is like the crysis 2 of 2018

vapid crypt
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The thing is the games aren't using that much RAM, the system is utilizing that much RAM in addition to the game. The newest game I own is RE2, so its the only example I have; when running I'm utilizing around half my ram just over 8 maybe less at times? It varies cause the game will utilize what it needs

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And that's with Firefox tabs open, Discord too

median moon
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to be fair it could just be her PC getting old and crusty, idk

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but again, 64GB is definitely not a priority for me

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32GB will be moorre than enough

twilit echo
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Went from a 2950X to a 3800X and man it was like night and day

vapid crypt
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Sure, you could get 16 now and double it later. I would recommend doing that instead and maybe getting a bigger nvme

twilit echo
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Older TR for sure aren't for gaming

median moon
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the NVME is just for boot

vapid crypt
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I understand, but listen having space for some games on there, you won't regret that

twilit echo
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Sorry for the interjection, had to wait 10 minutes before I could post

median moon
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i can live with a 2TB HDD knowing it only cost me a single movie night with friends

vapid crypt
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Its fast as fuck

median moon
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that'll probably be one of the first things i do honestly, upgrade my ssd

vapid crypt
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There's room for a second nvme I think

median moon
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yeah but $$

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wait

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nvm

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yeah i could fit another NVME in there

vapid crypt
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Yup the board has a heatsink cover for the second slot on the bottom

median moon
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nice

vapid crypt
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Very stealthy

twilit echo
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And about running 64Gb of ram on Ryzen, remember that for a 16GB stick, it's most likely a dual rank module system so overall ram speed needs to be reduced

median moon
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you right

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3600 does seem a bit excessive in retrospect

vapid crypt
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I don't know much about Single and Dual ranks other than it exists phaWesker

twilit echo
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Right now I run 4 8GB single rank sticks at 3200 and that's the fastest you can really run em

median moon
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i don't know much 👉 👉

vapid crypt
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I think I saw a Hardware Unboxed video about it, but I did not retain that info

twilit echo
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Rank is basically single or dual sided

vapid crypt
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I know that at least, but I don't know how it pertains to performance

twilit echo
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1 controller vs 2 for the modules

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It affects the response time since the 2 controllers need to communicate over the same ram bus

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Mostly if you want to game I think there is just a mild difference between 2666 and 3200 for Ryzen 3000 series

median moon
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i will gladly take the faster option :D

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I need it

twilit echo
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But it is something to think of when switching from 32 to 64gb

vapid crypt
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Uh, its like 5 - 10% with 3600 being the sweetspot

twilit echo
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Memory timing pays into it as well though

vapid crypt
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I think it diminishes after 3866 or some weird ass speed I dunno

twilit echo
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And I think you can change the infinity fabric timing as well

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Yeah because the ratio is required to be lower for above 3866

vapid crypt
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Absolutely, like uh 3200 CL14 is no different from 3600 at CL16

median moon
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DDR4-5000 be like

twilit echo
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At least for gaming

abstract kite
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DDR4-5000 be like

vapid crypt
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Sure

median moon
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megumin

abstract kite
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yes

median moon
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but with red 👁️

abstract kite
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megulaser

twilit echo
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Explosion time

vapid crypt
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Cause that's just latency, I don't know performance differences in other work loads though

abstract kite
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I found the other weebs in the server

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let me give you all hugs

median moon
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🤗

abstract kite
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🤗

twilit echo
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Anyway, all I was saying if you buy a 64gb kit, don't expect it to run at 3200 just because it is 3200 capable

median moon
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to be fair, i'll probably be upgrading my CPU before going 64GB

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so i might not honestly need it at all 🤷‍♂️

twilit echo
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What else do you use your PC for

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Only time I ever needed 64gb was for lightmass encoding

vapid crypt
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Basically overcompensating

median moon
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essentially this yeah

vapid crypt
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There's no real explanation besides that

twilit echo
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32Gb is all you really need

median moon
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i want to squeeze as much performance out of games as i possibly can

twilit echo
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Buy the best kit for your situation now and use it as long as you can

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Well, wait till DDR5 then

median moon
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The goal is to build my PC now and not wait :D

twilit echo
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32Gb is a soft limit for performance ddr4

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At least for dual channel 4 slot

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I can't remember if dual rank dual slot even beats single rank quad slot

vapid crypt
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There's a Buildzoid video for that I think phaWesker

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But I didn't watch it because... reasons

twilit echo
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Either way, 32Gb is more than you'll need for gaming and mild creation, especially on a mainstream platform

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Deep PC talk can get real boring real quick

vapid crypt
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Buildzoid is a madman he's made 40 minute videos discussing motherboard VRMs

twilit echo
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Yeah I've watched a lot of them

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I also like to listen to Level1techs when they talk about server hardware

median moon
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⚠️

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i am going to sleep now before my dreamscape becomes haunted with a constant hail of ddr5 sticks

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goodbye

twilit echo
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Goodnight

hidden obsidian
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Jog my hand is around 7.5 inches long should I get the glorious model O or D? Please ping me the answer.

sick reef
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Look up Rocket Jump Ninja.

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Recently did a review. Has a metric according to hand size what should fit best.

regal laurel
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@hidden obsidian The choice between O or D shouldn't be hand size but which grip style you prefer. The O is a rather flat, ambi mouse, while the D has the EC shape

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I'd say unless you feel a strong desire to go with an ergonomic mouse you should get the O

hidden obsidian
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Alright, thanks guys! Also I have another question. Does anyone thing GTFO is a little too hard? Or am I just shit. Once again please ping me with a response.

fleet junco
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It all depends on how well your team is able to sync up and cooperate. @hidden obsidian

merry bay
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If you're playing in 4 man squad and struggling, then I think it's more an issue with patience, planning or teamwork.

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I guess that falls into calling the game hard. But the game having depth is nice I'd say

fleet junco
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It's as difficult as you make it to be😂

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Good teamwork is definitely crucial.

merry bay
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Playing as a trio is truly hard. Less ammo, equipment, things you can carry, less bodies for security doors.
Really hard to convince friends to cough up this much for an Early Access game, so often stuck doing trios

abstract kite
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???

hexed horizon
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now

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checkmate

vapid crypt
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EPICO

hidden obsidian
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Lmao

median moon
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we have image perms?????

hexed horizon
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we sure do, but only use it for pc building and tech talk related stuff

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keep it appropriate guys

remote horizon
brisk badger
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Is it illegal to track my neighbour with my newly set up wifi tracking system🤔

It seems to work however. With his phone better than with mine

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Broadcast frames are fun to inspect

abstract kite
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hey umm does anyone know why im getting very bad fps on r6s with 1070 + 9900k setup?

median moon
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is the rest of your pc good

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your gpu/cpu could be throttling, not enough V/RAM, etc

abstract kite
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anyway i can test it?

median moon
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see how many tabs of google chrome you can open until your pc starts going AAAAaaaa

abstract kite
brisk badger
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Such a setup and no metjod of troubleshooting?

abstract kite
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50 tabs open

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still smooth

median moon
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huh.

brisk badger
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Check your thermals first

median moon
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^^^

abstract kite
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its not hot

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20c

median moon
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is your PSU working proper

abstract kite
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should be

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connected with 8pin

brisk badger
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And dont expect support with tabs open on background 😂😋 jk

median moon
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idk then, check for dust and stuff

abstract kite
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not using OC

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cleaned it with the air compressor half a yr ago

brisk badger
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20 degrees?

abstract kite
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yea on cpu

brisk badger
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While gamimg

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Gaming

abstract kite
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on gaming its like 35-50c

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it never uses

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above 20%

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in r6s

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and stays like 5% for gpu

brisk badger
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Well alt tab fakes the result if you take too long best would be on 2nd monitor

abstract kite
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.-.

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is there like an ingame overlay which says usage

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temps etc

brisk badger
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Issue may be gpu related

median moon
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most likely

brisk badger
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Its normal thst cpu idle a lot due to games often run singlethreaded

abstract kite
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i legit get 88 fps on ultra lol

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in r6s

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88-110

median moon
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then how is it running poorly

brisk badger
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lua is still a good script language

abstract kite
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people say they get 150-200 fps

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on ultra on my gpu and with 1060

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and i have few friends

median moon
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that's not poor performance

brisk badger
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I thought 5 percent usage in games

abstract kite
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who have amd setups and run like 300-500 fps

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yea for r6s its legit 5% usage on gpu

median moon
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dude 80fps is still extremely workable

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but anyways

abstract kite
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it used to be

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220

median moon
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probably gpu related then

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how long have you had your 1070

abstract kite
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anyclue how i can troubleshoot it to see if its working fine

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about 3 yrs

median moon
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oof yeah that might be why

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your gpu's getting a bit old

abstract kite
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;_;

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oh nyo ;_;

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cruel world

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but even tho... it should drop by like 10-20 fps right and not blowing 100 fps or more

merry bay
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GPU's don't really degrade, they either work or they don't. Maybe throttle from temps

brisk badger
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I detect bulldhit

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Oh hapcher was faster grrrr

dusty pumice
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Bullhit

abstract kite
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xd

brisk badger
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On mobile. I am a terrible writer

median moon
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it cant be throttling though because he gets good temps :l

abstract kite
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grrr

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this went down

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avg to 88-98

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also the max lies

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it also does not matter if im on low

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or ultra

brisk badger
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A (golden) tip from an ex pc tech guy: if your gpu doesnt work, flash it

abstract kite
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how to flash it?

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XD

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ik how to flash a mobo

brisk badger
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I would claim to 75% its working again

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May not help you cofee

abstract kite
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still worth a try

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75% chances out of 30%

brisk badger
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I feel its a software issue if temps are fine

abstract kite
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reinstall windows?

brisk badger
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I would do:

vapid crypt
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Have you been updating the drivers?

abstract kite
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yes

brisk badger
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Completely remove gpu driver with the DDU tool

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Then install the newest driver. Same issue tge repeat but take a bit older driver

vapid crypt
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^

abstract kite
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it honestly like

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i had 60hz monitor right

vapid crypt
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Could be as simple as driver errors

abstract kite
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like last yr and stuff

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and i remember when i decided to try without vsync to see if its gonna lag and it did it stuttered but iremember

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i always had 220-238 fps

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and now when i play without vsync

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its barley even going to 110

brisk badger
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I dont play r6 but i think u should get more than the fps u have

abstract kite
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says on ultra the F/E gets 198

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i have gigabyte g1 gaming one

vapid crypt
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I'm kinda curious what kind of framerates I would get, but I don't own the game PirateSimon

brisk badger
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Isnt r6 also kinda cpu limited i heard?

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In such it probably runs on one thread but not sure

vapid crypt
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Its likely cpu limited yeah

median moon
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i am very excited to see the fps i get on siege with a r9 3900x/2070super

abstract kite
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yea like i have 9900k

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not sure wtf is going on

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before i had i7 7700k

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and it got upto 220 fps

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xD

vapid crypt
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Do you know what the 9900k is boosting to when under load?

abstract kite
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4.68

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ghz

brisk badger
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9900k should be top anyway

abstract kite
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but yeah lets say 4.7

median moon
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4.68 boost??

abstract kite
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yea

vapid crypt
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That's an all core boost

median moon
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oh right it's not a KS

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yeah no that's allcore

abstract kite
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on one core its 5.1

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if i recall

median moon
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nice

abstract kite
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or 5.0

median moon
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i was about to say like

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4.68 single core boost on a 9900k

abstract kite
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wait it might be 2 cores xD

median moon
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silicon lottery got you fucked up

abstract kite
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nah man i got it from

vapid crypt
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That makes sense

abstract kite
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directly retale

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as my boss

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i work in I.T storage unit

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and i ordered via him

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for no VAT

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etc

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on launch day i got it for 400€

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lmao

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ok soo DDU?

vapid crypt
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Yes, Display Driver Uninstaller

merry bay
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There's also the chance a game update borked things a bit. A friend of mine was complaining about fps yesterday too. Probably just a coincidence. Maybe ask around?

abstract kite
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yeah

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few people

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went in r6 discord

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they have no clue mods wise

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just few people complaining on amd setups too

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but they have like shittier setups than me and get more fps

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i was like ok fuck me

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and rage quit

vapid crypt
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Wouldn't be the first time, I got Nioh on New Years and the pc port for that is terrible. Keeps crashing on all the drivers I've tried ConfusedUlf

median moon
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R6 discord isnt very helpful tbh

abstract kite
median moon
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i used to frequent that place but 90% of its community is kinda just

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blech

abstract kite
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ok what to check and uncheck here

median moon
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all, including system32

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/s

vapid crypt
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I just leave it default

median moon
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^

vapid crypt
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Don't even recall seeing those options actually

abstract kite
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should i

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remove nvidia drivers folder

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?

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and physx

vapid crypt
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Since its not recommended, probably not

abstract kite
vapid crypt
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This is what I typically do when I reinstall, I like to run DDU in safe mode

median moon
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******* You like DDU? Think about a donation, it will help further development. *******

vapid crypt
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Ensure there's no internet connection, make sure you have the install for whatever drivers you're gonna be using

abstract kite
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kk

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jeez my colors look shit

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xD

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welp ok so do i run it once more?

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or new install

vapid crypt
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After restarting, install the driver; restart again at that point its fine to reconnect. The reason you don't want to be connected to the internet is cause Windows likes to automatically download and install drivers

abstract kite
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kk

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on pc

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so far

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omfg

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is this 60hz

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xD

vapid crypt
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Most likely

abstract kite
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my eyes

vapid crypt
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If its safe mode it defaults to that

abstract kite
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cant believe i was using 60hz for 10 yrs

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->

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which top or bot

vapid crypt
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Geforce Experience is their software you gotta make an account for, it shouldn't matter though

abstract kite
merry bay
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If you didn't use GE before, there's no need.

abstract kite
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i did i use it all the time

merry bay
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Some people find it useful, I call it bloat

abstract kite
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for updates

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but meh only for updates

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cba to go find them manually

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well now i did

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xd

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ok express or custom

merry bay
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I always opt for Custom to look at options

abstract kite
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ok so i dont want anything

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i want my fps back

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xD

merry bay
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I'd proceed like this, as DDU cleaned things up already

abstract kite
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perform a clean install?

vapid crypt
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Uh I think so yeah

abstract kite
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kk done installing

vapid crypt
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Just give it a restart then

abstract kite
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ok

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done

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is that it?

vapid crypt
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I have no idea if it solved the issue

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Give it a shot

abstract kite
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inb4 it made it worse XD

median moon
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holy hell

abstract kite
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HM

vapid crypt
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I forgot to ask, have you noticed any other performance reductions in any other games?

median moon
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kingston 1TB NVME SSDs are $110

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?!!??!?!

abstract kite
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yea

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yea for both xd

vapid crypt
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Okay, as are Intel's and Crucial's for around 1tb

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Even Sabrent's I think, they have two SKUs within 20 bucks or something like that

median moon
#

ok well

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stop making me look bad :(

vapid crypt
#

Sabrent has near Samsung speeds actually

abstract kite
#

well

#

it

#

works? i guess

#

i mean

#

it boosted it for 20 fps more or less

vapid crypt
#

20fps, uh we take those? phaWesker

abstract kite
#

XD

vapid crypt
#

Was this the same driver?

abstract kite
#

yea

vapid crypt
#

Oh okay

abstract kite
#

hmm maybe they fix it with the next update or smth

#

for ubisoft

#

as ubisoft didnt reply to my support ticket at all

vapid crypt
#

Ubisoft phaSip

abstract kite
#

🤣

brisk badger
#
HapcherToday at 7:33 PM
I always opt for Custom to look at options

@merry bay the day you gonna click by accident "default" you will get adware etc. installed 😂

vapid crypt
#

You be Soft 🤪

abstract kite
#

actually

#

FXAA

#

im on FXAA which was running shit

#

T-AA runs even more like sht

#

but

#

T-AA defualt works

#

best

vapid crypt
#

Gotta smooth out those jagged edges ConfusedUlf

brisk badger
#

TAA costs more power but looks better

merry bay
#

@brisk badger Especially if it's free software

abstract kite
#

it legit put me default

#

1360x764

#

-.-"

#

can i make r6s work on all my cores

#

for cpu

brisk badger
#

no, due the nature of the used programming language

vapid crypt
#

Probably not no

brisk badger
#

most games have an engine written in something like C (does know multithreading) and then they use a scripting language for the game itself

#

scripting languages are very often single threaded by nature

abstract kite
#

on T-aa but with shit resolution

#

it looked pixelated af

brisk badger
#

Also making an application multithreaded often costs A LOT of money (and time)

abstract kite
#

:3 but its ubiiisoofttt

#

ok trying 1080 render scale

#

yep

#

it like takes away 80 fps lol

#

if i play 1080p

brisk badger
#

coffee, do you know of people with same hardware and better FPS?

abstract kite
#

so honestly i watched few reviews that are like year old...

brisk badger
#

I can only give you tip to observe the gpu usage now. it should be 100%, maybe a tad less depending if the cpu is limiting. if it's under 70-80% then I think something is not right

abstract kite
#

ok can i download an program

#

that shows me usage

#

so i dont have to alt tab

#

?

brisk badger
#

Personally I use a tool called aida64 but it may cost money. There is MSI Afterburner + Riva Tuner Server statistics

marsh sequoia
#

I get average 90 to 120 fps with gtx 1080 strix and i7 6800k x99 strix gaming mobo

#

Dips to at least 60 when dropping in

brisk badger
#

and coffee has a 1070? I forgot 😄

abstract kite
#

r6s is deff broken

brisk badger
#

you play on high setting slaughter

marsh sequoia
#

I play on pretty high settings, Playing in 2k

abstract kite
#

ok 2k XD

#

i wanna die

marsh sequoia
#

Gane looks great besides the occasional glitch. Had one persons arm clip to the other side it was hilarious. Someone sent me a screen shot lol

abstract kite
#

to enable overlay thingy

marsh sequoia
#

Fyi some games play better in higher res if that makes sense. Not always, didnt test with gtfo.

abstract kite
marsh sequoia
#

I also have cpu culling at extreme

abstract kite
#

bios date says 2016

#

erhm

sick reef
#

Some games run Anti-aliasing that renders at a lower resolution, and then upscales with the anti-aliasing, I'm pretty certain there's an option for it in Rainbow Six Siege, the lowest AA available. Some games run a dynamic resolution by default, thus, anytime it would struggle, it downscales.

#

There's a lot of yank that they run in the background

marsh sequoia
#

I Normally turn off dynamic

sick reef
#

How do you think a console that runs only slightly better than the original console could handle a way higher resolution?

#

It upscales from a lower resolution.

abstract kite
#

lmao true

sick reef
#

Introducing, PS4 Pro and Xbox Project Scorpio

#

It sure looks neat, but 1080p/1440p isn't 4K just because you smudged the screen a bit.

marsh sequoia
#

Lol

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I did play in 4k 60 fps before I got my 165 hert 2k monitor. Some games were 45 fps maxed but maxed a bunch too

merry bay
#

How similar would you say their implementation is to NVIDIA's DSR?

#

1080p upscaled 4x is pretty much rendering the game in 4K, but it's nowhere near as pretty because you're still on a 1080p monitor.

#

Does wonders for anti aliasing though

sick reef
#

Simply upscaling would give you the literal same image

marsh sequoia
#

I've used dsr for games that have low res textures. Helps a little, would help with AA with certain settings

sick reef
#

It's the anti-aliasing that does anything.

#

That's how you sell snakeoil to the public.

merry bay
#

Can't speak about the console stuff, but DSR definitely makes a tangible difference

sick reef
#

It would give more accurate rendering, DSR.

marsh sequoia
#

I was looking for snozzberries @sick reef 😉

sick reef
#

That's down the street. Don't worry if the guy opens his jacket, he wears a thong.

late sorrel
#

what

sick reef
#

DSR is just, well, reverse approximation. It would give you a better image, minimally, but correct, at the cost of performance.

merry bay
#

To be fair, most textures look damn near the same. The game I used it in particular was Far Cry Primal. Entire map is a massive jungle. Trees and foliage all day long.

marsh sequoia
#

GTFO at 120 frames is pretty sexy. Dips lower with movement however.

merry bay
#

Anti aliasing benefits fences and shrubbery really well

marsh sequoia
#

Anyone know when an update will be? Game needs some hot fixes.

brisk badger
#

@abstract kite sry late: Computer -> Sensors

abstract kite
#

ok works fine lol 95% usage

#

45c

sick reef
#

Depends on the anti-aliasing

brisk badger
#

ah aida64 has no proper overlay, but you can make a website for it

sick reef
#

But you could run DSR to get a more accurate picture to then use anti-aliasing on top of that to make the approximation even better, giving you better clarity.

abstract kite
#

nah i just installed msi afterburner lol

sick reef
#

But I do like my jaggy edges.

#

I usually run none.

brisk badger
merry bay
#

DSR being the method of anti-aliasing. FPS was still above 60, so it was playable. Not saying it's ideal, but it was the highest eye candy option for my 1080p monitor

brisk badger
#

use riva tuner statistics driver or whats it called

abstract kite
#

looks cool XD

sick reef
#

Yes, and what I said was AA on AA.

#

A common choice in a lot of games.

abstract kite
#

brb pizza came

abstract kite
#

yeet

marsh sequoia
#

Uh oh unleash the kraken

brisk badger
#

it allows you to display anything in fullscreen applications

abstract kite
#

XDD

brisk badger
#

or just have aida64 open on a second monitor (if you have one)

marsh sequoia
#

Def get a 2nd monitor even if it is lower quality.

sick reef
#

Yeah. Though, just don't expect all games to work on boot

#

If you do.

marsh sequoia
#

I've had my issues for sure

#

Mainly older games get wonky

#

I usually boot once, get the ini file and configure away to avoid a lot of issues.

sick reef
#

I had it for a while, but I sold the other monitor. It took space, it wasn't worth adding an extra layers to games to me.

#

But I have considered getting one, again.

late sorrel
#

I like my three monitors

#

all 1080p

sick reef
#

Mainly because I play less amounts of games.

marsh sequoia
#

If you dont have the space, well you dont have the space. They come in handy, by pressing shift tab in borderless window; Let's you go to the second screen pretty quickly without alt tabbing

sick reef
#

Not that I didn't have it

#

But that it took space.

marsh sequoia
#

With steam overlay**

#

👌

sick reef
#

doesn't alt-enter just change it to borderless?

#

Apart from games that are fucky about it, obviously.

marsh sequoia
#

Windowed to fullscreen

#

Vice versa

sick reef
#

Yeah, I guess.

marsh sequoia
#

-borderless startup command let's you run borderless on startup

sick reef
#

Yeah. But once again, that means messing with stuff. And if you run a single monitor setup, you just press the button and it just works.

#

See that mountain?
You can remove the edges from it with anti-aliasing.

merry bay
#

For games that only run windowed, there's Borderless Gaming(payed), or an older free variant ShiftWindow

#

found it useful often

vapid crypt
#

But can you climb it? ConfusedUlf

sick reef
#

Stuff like this is why I never did.

#

You see, Demonio

#

You can remove the edges

#

from it

#

with edgeless DLC

#

for 4.99€

marsh sequoia
#

Call me late to the party but I just beat c1 last night, first game of c2. Everyone had me worried a lil talking about it.

#

C2*

#

Anyone wanna do d1 with me? Lol

vapid crypt
#

C2 was pretty rough for me

abstract kite
#

im gonna throw up pizza

#

xD

#

so many slices

#

well thx for not being toxic as i am very picky about my fps...

#

guess i have to upgrade if i want more

#

the ocd is a harsh thing

marsh sequoia
#

That's just the way the cookie crumbles

abstract kite
#

true

merry bay
#

the high refresh rate blessing/curse

abstract kite
#

^^

marsh sequoia
#

PC MASTER RACE

vapid crypt
#

Its a curse as far as I'm concerned phaSip

abstract kite
#

prolly im gonna go for ampere cards

#

this summer

#

if they release them

marsh sequoia
#

I still have my 1080 strix, waiting on summer cards

vapid crypt
#

I got 75hz, I will bask in my ignorance PirateSimon

marsh sequoia
#

Almost picked up a 2080

#

My buddy talked me out of it

abstract kite
#

same xD

marsh sequoia
#

Told me about the new line coming...

vapid crypt
#

Oh boy

sick reef
#

I'm not that picky.

#

N64 Smash is better with 4 players, even with slowdown.

marsh sequoia
#

N64 smash is bae

#

Golden eye 007

#

Ocarina of time.

#

You have good tastes

abstract kite
#

hmm should i go for amd or nvidia... i mean not sure the prices for ampere

#

they said it should be lower

#

"should"

vapid crypt
#

We don't know yet

marsh sequoia
#

I'd tell you nvidia, but I dont know prices

#

AMD is stepping their game up no doubt

vapid crypt
#

All of that will be announced likely at or by Computex

marsh sequoia
#

So just wait and see what nvidia does lol

abstract kite
#

i mean honestly if the fps difference is going to be 2-5-10 fps

#

xd

#

and if they step up their driver game

#

then im gonna go for amd

#

as i have a free/gsync monitor

vapid crypt
#

Drivers have been buggy lately, its something that needs to be addressed and fixed

#

For sure they've acknowledged the issues though

marsh sequoia
#

Well with the 1080 2080 comparison it's already at twice the bandwidth and about 20/30 percent increase in performance

vapid crypt
#

Its 1080ti 2.0... and the 2080 super is 2.5 PirateSimon

jade ermine
#

My friend has been using 5700XT for 4 months now and drivers are the only complain hes got. Blackscreen issues, crashes, stuttering...

abstract kite
#

i mean if the price for rtx 3080 will be 500-600€ which i doubt XD

#

prolly 800€

jade ermine
#

So i would stay on green side for now

marsh sequoia
#

I've had bad luck with amd so I'm strictly nvidia/intel

vapid crypt
#

If it matches the 2080ti I could see them pushing the price higher from the 700 price they've established already

marsh sequoia
#

AMD does have better higher end stuff now. Dont get the lower end stuff.

vapid crypt
abstract kite
#

my prays are it will cost 700€

#

but yeah

#

it will go up

#

due to demand

vapid crypt
#

It should be like 600 at the most tbh

abstract kite
#

so my best bet is too fucking pre order that shit as soon as it launches

jade ermine
#

Around 800€ for 3080 or whatever it will be sounds about right.
My crystal ball says its more than that

abstract kite
#

lmao crystal cheese

#

:3

jade ermine
#

Oh how i hoped that 2080Ti would be around same price as 1080Ti. I was so wrong..

merry bay
#

pre-orders HYPERWOWEE

abstract kite
#

xD yeah im gonna do it lads

#

the thing u should never do

#

pre order

#

but thats just cause

merry bay
#

at the very least would want to see cooler comparisons

abstract kite
#

i dont wanna pay 1000€ for 3080

vapid crypt
#

They saw the mining prices and were like "Yup we can do this."

abstract kite
#

miners ruined it all

#

ngl

#

buying like 20000000

#

units

#

people who sell used 10x series are 80% miners

vapid crypt
#

People were paying over 1000 for 1080tis

sick reef
#

Well, not really.

abstract kite
#

in croatia 2080ti costs roughly about 1700€

sick reef
#

but 80% of used 1060's are miner GPU

abstract kite
#

😛

#

i was gonna go for 1080ti used

sick reef
#

I'm just glad bitcoin is continuously falling.

#

As of recent I checked it.

jade ermine
#

1299€ for 2080Ti on release
Welp better start saving up

#

because those new ones are not going to be cheaper

vapid crypt
#

Its not worth it phaWesker

sick reef
#

Unless we get another china sitution, it'll die off, and we all can have nice GPU

#

s again.

abstract kite
#

yay

#

nice gpu prices

#

:3

#

i can now buy my organs back

#

^^ i cant joke

#

apologies

#

xD

sick reef
#

Let's just not have the chinese government and banks ban the American Dollar again.

#

Or how ever that transpired in the end.

vapid crypt
#

They'll ban whatever they want, Winnie the Pooh, Basic Freedom, Me? phaWesker

abstract kite
#

"me" kappa

sick reef
#

They don't ban people.

#

They kill them, send them to jail indefinitely, or send them to work camps.

vapid crypt
abstract kite
#

arent camps banned

sick reef
#

Sounds funny until another one disappears in China.

#

You mean concentration camps or work camps?

#

Neither, generally speaking.

#

Just unethical.

vapid crypt
#

Let's get back on topic PirateSimon

sick reef
#

Though, apart from the German concentration camps, that were practically kill camps, they didn't have such a low mortality rate regardless.

#

Like the american one's for the indians, etc.

abstract kite
#

indeed

#

well im gonna go to the gym... hopefully this time its open

marsh sequoia
#

burn the pizza off? lol

abstract kite
#

went last time and it was closed for what ever reason

#

xD yes and no

late hollow
#

Any suggestion for headsets?

#

need a new headset n mic

vapid crypt
#

What have you been using?

abstract kite
#

Void pro wireless

vapid crypt
#

And what's your budget?

late hollow
#

i bee using some logitech headsets

#

and budget is

#

about 300$

vapid crypt
#

Oh boy sky's the limit

abstract kite
#

Drink the corsair koolaid

vapid crypt
#

Wait is that USD?

abstract kite
#

300 bucks buys a lot of headphone

late hollow
#

XD yeah this paycheck i dont have to pay rent

vapid crypt
#

I'd say spend a third of budget, and use the rest for something else phaWesker

abstract kite
#

Why not buy a 50 dollar set and 8 copies of gtfo for your friends

late hollow
#

mkay

#

true

#

to bad most of my freinds play consoles

vapid crypt
#

I've heard good things about the Corsair sets, I personally don't use a headset but headphones. AKG knockoffs pretty much.

jade ermine
#

Gaming headphones are weird. I find them all very similar with big price difference.

sick reef
#

I'd save for eventualities, if I was you.

vapid crypt
#

^

sick reef
#

Buy a small nice thing, and keep the rest in case something happens

abstract kite
#

Headsets?

#

Boy I can be useful now

vapid crypt
abstract kite
#

$300 can buy you a good pair of cans and an entry level DAC

#

Audiophile levels of quality

sick reef
#

I could actually ask you, I want to replace, eventually, my Razer Tiamat 7.1 v1, which were actual 7.1, with something that's good for games preferably.

late hollow
#

hmhm

sick reef
#

Right now it's taped with a brace, taped the mic open, and keeping it up with two stripes together.

jade ermine
#

I jumped away from headsets few years back too. Got kinda tired of them breaking and such

vapid crypt
#

I never spend a lot on peripherals, so I've gone through a lot of headphones pretty much

#

I'm pretty damn satisfied with what I have now though

brisk badger
#

@sick reef I first wanted you to a picture battle of our headsets but I just realized my headset (razor man o war) looks so bad, I am too much embarrassed

sick reef
#

Yeah, Man o War ain't all that great.

brisk badger
#

it's like some tiny plastics holds 2kg

late hollow
#

sweet

#

thx,i gotta wait till wensday for my paycheck tho

abstract kite
#

If you’ve never used a headphone and planars, I guarantee these will sound better than any set you’ve probably had

jade ermine
#

@abstract kite planar gang gang

abstract kite
#

@jade ermine GANG GANG

sick reef
#

Bil

#

beam me up with info

late hollow
#

yeah i never used headphones and planars before

jade ermine
median moon
#

@abstract kite 🤗

#

i have an arctis pro, no DAC, is that good

vapid crypt
median moon
#

would have gone sennheiser but gotta have the prismsync

sick reef
#

@brisk badger If I did so have v2 Tiamat 7.1, it would be an even match.

brisk badger
#

some people post really weird amazon links. others normal url

vapid crypt
#

The URLs get silly as you browse the site, I dunno what it is phaSheva

brisk badger
#

pretty sure Bil posted an affiliate link

vapid crypt
#

Or maybe if its like from a google search or something

brisk badger
#
&tag=themasswi0f

is an ID of an amazon affiliate

sick reef
#

yeah

#

I saw that too

#

Second one seems like a pure google redirect.

#

Or maybe that site just looks like that.

brisk badger
#

whoever he is, he gets the money for stuff you purchase on amazon by clicking bil's link

#

doesn't even have to be that article, can be anything the next 48hours?

#

if you type themasswi0f in google there is quite many results. Especially around home theaters

vapid crypt
#

Funny the top result for me is a Wikipedia article of "Tom Swift" the main character of American juvenile science fiction and adventure novels phaWesker

brisk badger
#

😂

abstract kite
#

@median moon Arctis as in?

@jade ermine I’m salivating

jade ermine
#

😙

vapid crypt
abstract kite
#

Those with the HE4XXs

median moon
#

@abstract kite stEeELseries

abstract kite
#

Godlike with a budget

brisk badger
#

wtf @vapid crypt . my google results look way different (well the top two)

vapid crypt
#

I mean its Duckduckgo, so I guess that makes sense

abstract kite
#

I’ll say this much @median moon

It’s steelseries lol

median moon
#

:(

brisk badger
#

woops haha yea. My bad. How could I overlook this

vapid crypt
#

My first headset was a cheap steelseries, that fell apart in like 3 months or maybe less

median moon
#

...:(

abstract kite
#

Theyre not bad @median moon, but I’ve been spoiled to planar sets now

median moon
#

i got them for the mic and because my other peripherals are steelseries

vapid crypt
#

So is an amp like that really worth it?

#

Its not something I've ever looked into

abstract kite
#

YES

median moon
#

oh hey i forgot

#

@abstract kite bil bil bil bil bil bil bil bil bil nye the science guy

#

pls thoughts

abstract kite
#

Planar sets can be powered from say your phone, but to get the full spectrum they’re capable of, a DAC amp truly helps.

vapid crypt
#

Well okay I understand that, but how does that compare to onboard audio on a pc?

abstract kite
#

@median moon pacha

#

Good list

median moon
#

:D

abstract kite
#

@vapid crypt Onboard audio has nothing on a DAC.

Being able to draw more power to solely drive your cans is essential to get the most out of your high end headphones.

jade ermine
#

Also eliminates static if you happen to have any of that

fleet canopy
#

Hm

abstract kite
#

Plus the frequency rate doesnt drop

#

It stays pretty linear

#

@median moon The only thing I would probably change would be the cooler. Swap it out for the Noctua D15 and you’re solid.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DFZzk6
Its also cheaper too while being a better cooler

merry bay
#

I recently picked up a Fiio E10k
Biggest difference I'd say is no distortion at higher volume. Maybe a little easier to pick apart instruments or certain elements. If that makes sense.

abstract kite
#

What are you driving with the E10k?

merry bay
#

Sony MDR XB-700

#

great for bass

abstract kite
#

Ooh

#

Yea I’d say thats about right for an E10k

#

The crispness is still worth it imo

merry bay
#

I'm satisfied, but it's always very subjective

jade ermine
#

Audio is always very subjective. Everyone has different hearing

merry bay
#

No doubt most people would be able to tell the difference those Audeze's make, but that doesn't mean they'd say it's worth it.

abstract kite
#

I really want a Drop THX AAA 789 but its expensive

#

And a Monolith portable amp

#

too much ;-;

median moon
#

@abstract kite D15 needs more things in order to socket with my mobo

#

$10 more for no external parts required and taking up less space works for me

jade ermine
#

Yup i agree. High end headphones are something average consumer would find very hard to appreciate

abstract kite
#

@median moon Doesnt it have AM4 support?

#

It does

#

What would you have to order?

median moon
#

yeah but it needs an external support bracket

#

i dont want to mess with that, less weight on cooler = better

merry bay
#

Anyone have ideas on how to handle GPU sag? Just asking for inspiration monkaHmm

abstract kite
#

X570 boards already have a backplate for coolers

#

Alternatively you can use a Dark Rock 4 Pro

#

Which is guaranteed to mount

#

Same price

median moon
abstract kite
#

@median moon Ignore anything PCPartPicker tells you

#

But

#

This is with the DRP4

#

And your ram is lower than mine

#

so I can confirm

#

it will work

#

I have a DRP4

#

With Trident Z Neo ram

#

44mm tall iirc

#

Metric system is strange for me

late hollow
#

@abstract kite i want that ram cus it has my name in it

abstract kite
#

Neo?

#

Nice name

late hollow
#

ye

abstract kite
#

I’m stuck with a generic name

#

Least my middle name is cool lol

late hollow
#

lol

abstract kite
#

I’ll disclose my middle but my first stayin secret

#

Alasdair

median moon
#

temps are looking a lot higher than on the D15

abstract kite
#

Ehhh

#

Theyre about even realistically

median moon
#

70C+ on an i7

#

~>

abstract kite
#

What generation

#

of i7

#

i7-7700K and up get HOT

#

Your 3900X would honestly be cooler than a 9700K imo

brisk badger
#

is intel still not soldering the DIE?

abstract kite
#

I think

brisk badger
#

i thought they change that after 7th gen

#

i dont know much about what came after

vapid crypt
#

Nah they didn't solder 8th gen

brisk badger
#

😤

abstract kite
#

@median moon Keep in mind that Ryzen 3000 is fine up to 95C. As long as you’re sitting between 73-80C on a full load you’re fine.

vapid crypt
#

I remember that being an issue cause they used low quality stuff for the i7 for 8th gen

brisk badger
#

👍 delidding 👍 (it does do wonders but why intel do we have to do this)

vapid crypt
#

I think they at least started soldering the HEDT parts

abstract kite
#

Heh

vapid crypt
#

Like with the 9980xe

abstract kite
#

I want a 3960X bad

fleet canopy
#

Hm

vapid crypt
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But that was one thing people had a problem with cause they prefered being able to delid easily

abstract kite
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24 cores but still super cool temperature wise

brisk badger
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do you plan to rent out cores? i could use some

abstract kite
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I’ll open meh core shop

sick reef
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They solder 9th gen.

median moon
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3970X tho

vapid crypt
sick reef
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Worse temps than delid.

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Way worse.

abstract kite
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I’m probably going to get a 3950X/4900/4950X depending on what I can get cheapest and is still “good” compared to the market in a year.

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Since I plan on keeping my X570 system for a while

fleet canopy
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4900X might be like similar to 3950X I guess

abstract kite
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Yea

sick reef
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They also soldered 8X series.

abstract kite
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I’m going to buy 4000 next year probably

vapid crypt
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Depends if they keep pushing up the core counts, but i doubt it for the next ones

brisk badger
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If I would get that CPU, I would make a hypervisor and than one single PC for the whole family

abstract kite
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Since there will be a price drop from 5000

sick reef
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So being able to delid my 7X means I have way better performance.

brisk badger
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Any other use cases?

vapid crypt
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Servers for days

fleet canopy
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Indeed

sick reef
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Or well, kind of, I clock it at 4.8GHz and I doubt any other 8X would do that at 30C.

median moon
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D15 but less

viscid prism
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@fleet canopy GWsiraHug

abstract kite
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Mnm

fleet canopy
abstract kite
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Regular D15 has better cooling

median moon
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@fleet canopy 🤗

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regular D15 is also h e a v i e r

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:(

fleet canopy
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It’s not bad tbh

abstract kite
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Doesnt matter tho

fleet canopy
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Only gotta worry about GPU sag

vapid crypt
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If it isn't throttling, you're fine

abstract kite
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X570 boards already have a backplate

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its fine

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typing one handed sucks btw

fleet canopy
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Meme

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I hate auto

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I wish it did “keke” into Kek instead of meme

abstract kite
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Hence why my responses have been so short

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So, is the Radeon 5700 XT ITX only available in Japan?

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Wait, it's not an XT. Just a 5700.

fleet canopy
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The one with the anime girl on it?

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If so, yeah

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It might be available anywhere else but ehh

abstract kite
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Anime girl?

fleet canopy
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You don’t know?

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There’s like anime girls on cards like 5700XT

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“Waifu” edition

abstract kite
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I'm talking about ITX versions.

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I have seen those before though

fleet canopy
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Honestly though

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I wouldn’t go for a 1-fan GPU

abstract kite
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Doing an SFF

fleet canopy
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Unless you do have a reason for getting a single fan

abstract kite
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I NEED IT

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Like building an SFF.

fleet canopy
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You need what?

abstract kite
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The card

fleet canopy
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Which card

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Waifu or small

abstract kite
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Waifu

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probably the gross pink one

fleet canopy
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Haha

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Of course