I mean its like... 5% better?
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
vapid crypt
grand ivy
but also nice you're the 1% now
mellow arrow
yea man i earned this XD
grand ivy
I might get the ti
mellow arrow
if you do im getting two
grand ivy
just so that no one will notice my small penis size
vapid crypt
grand ivy
idc about cores since I will never be using them all
mellow arrow
ill trun my fucking room into a sona
grand ivy
sona?
mellow arrow
sana?
grand ivy
its sauna
abstract kite
Sauna?
mellow arrow
thats the one
abstract kite
Ye
vapid crypt
Oh boy you're gonna boil the liquid cooler 
abstract kite
Just do a submerged build š
late sorrel
also I was wrong
mellow arrow
that what a mineral oil build is XD
late sorrel
all 20 series has nvenc
grand ivy
prolly not hard to maintain but if you wanna switch parts you're screwed
grand ivy
with great patience
vapid crypt
You gotta drain it in order to transport it, well at least that makes sense to me
abstract kite
Its an oily mess but its cool lol
abstract kite
You can actually. Just like a normal case.
dusty pumice
Its not that bad as you guys make it seem to be
abstract kite
š¼
dusty pumice
You just lift the whole system at once from the "case" you just gotta make sure it finnishes leaking oil
mellow arrow
yea but the parts wont they catch dust so easily while still lubbed
dusty pumice
only problem is when reusing oil or using old parts is going in dust free into the oil
dusty pumice
You gotta catch the old oil in some type of container
mellow arrow
i mean is the oil expensive?
dusty pumice
You gotta pre clean it really good otherwise the "used oil" will be disgusting
About the same price as a good AIO lmfao
abstract kite
Mineral oil costs just about as much as an AIO lol
mellow arrow
aio?
mellow arrow
oh
mellow arrow
so like 100 bucks
abstract kite
Heh
I prefer big chungus air coolers compared to AIOs. My experience with AIOs have been very subpar.
abstract kite
I wouldnt recommend it tbh.
Mine leaked (not uncommon) from the pump and wouldāve killed my GPU had I not vertically mounted it.
Pump also failed
mellow arrow
i have no choice
abstract kite
You either get a good AIO or a bad one. Thereās no in between and its a gamble I dont recommend to first time users.
You have all the choice tbh
abstract kite
A Noctua NH-D15 or Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 actually performs better than a mid range AIO
abstract kite
Yea bout the same
brave crest
dude that is big ass cooler
abstract kite
It comes down to: Are you looking for aesthetics, or are you looking for conventional performance?
dusty pumice
Why do you stil have a sticker on it
abstract kite
A 360 AIO will cool the i9 sufficiently, but you have to check the pump every now and then. You run the risk of killing your GPU if the pump leaks, and you run the risk of overheating your CPU if your pump fails.
brave crest
im running on I7 9700K with this cooler
vapid crypt
Its fine, but why the 5 gram of Kryonaut? The 1 gram is 10 bucks and gives more than enough for the one build
vapid crypt
I suppose if you're gonna build a handful of pcs or repaste the card or something
median moon
probably neither
vapid crypt
Not usually necessary though, that being said
median moon
ty for the heads up
vapid crypt
You're only gonna be running 1080p high refresh right?
vapid crypt
Then tbh consider just getting the 2070 Super, even that is pretty good at 1440p. Use the extra cash for an NVME
vapid crypt
Well looking at that case, why did you choose that one?
vapid crypt
You don't need to spend too much on a case, fair enough... and they really do like cheaping out on fans in the low end. Either by not including any or no more than 1. The fans might be adequate, but I couldn't personally guarantee longevity or hell, sound
median moon
yeah, now that i have some cash freed up from the gpu downgrade i could probably invest in a better case and some fans
my budget is $1500 w/o peripherals
vapid crypt
So I got this case from Cougar, they have a number of cases in the same price range likely all of similar quality and feature set. Its the Cougar turret mesh, though looking it up on Newegg they don't have it in stock now; but this one is very similar. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553033?Description=cougar mx330&cm_re=cougar_mx330-_-11-553-033-_-Product
median moon
huh, nice
long skiff
hey question. when the early access is done, do you have to re-buy the game
median moon
no
late hollow
its 5600 xt or just 5600 i wasent paying attening much
fleet canopy
That CPU is like faster than a 9980H apparently
late hollow
yeah its a 8 cores...16 threads i think
fleet canopy
I think it was 12 cores 24 threads
late hollow
they def said 8 cores
i wasent sure for the threads
and that was high end from what im aware of
yeah the 4800u was 8c 16th
nothing to intresting tbh
fleet canopy
Interesting for laptops actually
late hollow
and it was faster than some random intel i7 4 core 10th gen cpu
fleet canopy
Supposedly now the fastest laptop CPU
fleet canopy
No idea
I just heard the AMD cpu was much faster than any laptop cpu now
Might see from LTT
late hollow
ehh they compaired it to some 4 core 8 thread intel cpu and beat it out by 25%,and thats like 1 or 2 benchmarks
let me find it
oh i was wrong on some of the benchmark stuff
@fleet canopy
ohh intel keynote starting.....
vapid crypt
Strange
It was a video of this guy I watch that covers pc tech, he talked about the AMD keynote
late hollow
hmm
vapid crypt
Maybe he had to reupload for whatever reason
late hollow
possibly
late hollow
oh
vapid crypt
late hollow
altough,i wasent really inpressed about the 5600 xt i will say that
vapid crypt
Me neither considering that its coming out a year after the 1660ti, and beating it sure; but at the same price its not really a big deal
There were rumors that they wanted it at 300 that would have been really bad tbh 
At the same time though, the idea of flashing a 5700 XT bios onto it; unlocking the power limit and sending the clocks to 2ghz...
Well maybe it can't get that high, but still
late hollow
yeah
i think once the partners start to ship it out its going to be around 350
usd
idk though
vapid crypt
Nah they said the partners are shipping it, there are gonna be plenty of 279 models
late hollow
ah ok
vapid crypt
A Powercolor Red Devil or Sapphire Nitro is gonna be a 40 dollar premium probably, but at that price point and even below that you can find 5700s
Actually I can't find any anymore, I remember there being a reference model going for 299. Oh well 
late hollow
Once the gpu has had a few months to age ima think about upgrading it
to it*
cus god knows how bad amd day one driversare
drivers are*
vapid crypt
It'll be using the same drivers they've been developing since July
So it wouldn't be an issue
And tbh launch drivers for brand new architectures are always a mess
Turing launch was probably worse, especially since there was a hardware problem where the cards were failing
fleet canopy
360Hz monitor tf https://youtu.be/Pf_k8Lg4dmo
magic anvil
Does anyone have a referrence RX 5700 XT and changed its cooler? I know there are some water cooling blocks for it, but I prefer just standard air cooling.
fleet junco
verbal flint
dusk delta
What about a Razer blade 17", base model with 64GB of RAM, RTX 2060, i7-9750H?
brisk badger
I recommend to anyone instead of buying a gaming notebook, to have a good PC and buy a cheap notebook/ tablet and enable Steam In-Streaming mode. You can play any games with highest details on a crappy notebook
but the model is nice regardless I guess if you want to game. But I would judge gaming notebooks primary on thermal solution/layout
vapid crypt
@magic anvil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-bcLJIAYWY This guy tested it with the Arctic Accelero if you really want to see results, and from what I recall it wasn't very good. (Edit: oh it looks like he might have done something wrong, but looking it up it seems other people have better results.) If you're interested though, there is a hardware mod for the reference model that improves thermals by a good bit. And all you have to do is apply washers where the screws go around the gpu die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud8Bco0dk6Q
late hollow
@verbal flint 3800x peforms better thaan i9 900k in most areas,it doesent outright outpeform it completly
abstract kite
Iām not sure that motherboard could efficiently handle a 9900kf
Let me do some digging and Iāll send you one that can definitely overclock that chip easily
median moon
alr thanks
vapid crypt
A-Pro works fine for B450 for most use cases
abstract kite
The VRMs will have some significant load once that i9 is overclocked.
It isnāt necessarily bad, but if youāre getting an i9, itās best to get a better better board. motherboards arent something you cheap out on. @grand ivy Surely you would know that.
@median moon So, the cpu cooler choice was great. Ram choice, great.
I changed the motherboard to one that can handle the i9, and also changed the gpu and case. EVGA makes phenomenal cards, and the Meshify C case is one if the best airflow cases on the market.
vapid crypt
vapid crypt
Probably don't need ROG shit tbh
median moon
with my current build i'm already $30 over, i'm trying to cut costs while still maintaining the i9 and 2070S
abstract kite
Iām looking at the VRMs and not ROG.
abstract kite
Gigabyte is the other option, but their bios is shit
median moon
an instant turnoff
merry bay
You don't need top end VRM's for 8C16T
abstract kite
2 fan is all you need for a 2070
vapid crypt
The Gigabyte Windforce is a really good card tbh
median moon
i'm running 3fan only as a rule of thumb, because i don't want to get even close to bricking anything
grand ivy
seems like some peoples logic goes that you have to buy the higher priced things
vapid crypt
Temps are the last thing that will brick anything
abstract kite
Of course you dont need say 12 phase, but at least more than 4 is preferable.
abstract kite
@grand ivy May I ask what background do you have in PCs?
merry bay
I would agree that the initial board from MSI was light on the VRM.
There are 12 phase options for a hundred less.
abstract kite
Asus has mad tax tbh
merry bay
Gigabyte AORUS has a really good lineup for z390, but their BIOS isn't very user friendly.
vapid crypt
Yeah that's kind of what I meant, the Asus Rog shit is over priced
vapid crypt
You could go with a cheaper cooler and go back to the Focus G
merry bay
Probably won't need 5grams of thermal paste, there's a dent in costs
vapid crypt
Yeah I mentioned that yesterday, Kryonaut is top end stuff for sure the price reflects that.
abstract kite
With the Focus G
vapid crypt
Get some Mastergel Maker, you get 4 grams for 12 bucks. That's what I got, pretty good paste
median moon
also, your list still has the Walmart barracuda compute @abstract kite
it's like $20 on amazon now
vapid crypt
Its cause its out of stock apparently, but there's two listings for that drive. I just bought one today
median moon
i think for now i'll be running the z390 a-pro considering my budget
vapid crypt
Are you firm on the 9900k? Cause you said you were mostly concerned with game performance right?
merry bay
I don't think spending extra on a titanium PSU is important either. Especially not if you're only doing it to save money on power.
merry bay
this is a really solid one, overbuilt for its rating. Passed reviews with flying colours and a 10yr warranty
grand ivy
but a 10 year warranty is nice
vapid crypt
I actually wouldn't go for Seasonic, I heard they've been having issues with it
median moon
fair, though i am trying to keep my PSU future proof and seasonic is unreliable at the moment
grand ivy
oh seasonic has it on their gold then yeah go with that one
vapid crypt
Some technical mumbo jumbo with their protections being set incorrectly
grand ivy
Seasonic is a good brand but ofc google if people have problems with the certain psus you're gonna buy
merry bay
Haven't heard about that, but I'll have to look into it.
vapid crypt
Well the thing you need to know about ratings is its just the efficiency of the power supply. So like Titanium runs at 95% efficiency at 50% load or something, might even be all the time
Its basically how much energy is being wasted, and when it comes to quality to go higher than gold is unnecessary
grand ivy
Its how efficient the psu gives out the power it takes in
lets say if it takes 400w from wall it is 80+ certified it will atleast give out 360w
vapid crypt
I personally got a Bitfenix Whisper-M, I don't see that one in stock anymore though, its possible either they stopped manufacturing them or maybe shipping them here
merry bay
It will still supply 400W, it will draw above 400W to supply that due to inefficiency
vapid crypt
But in any case the Be Quiet Pure Power, Straight Power if you want more features are really good
grand ivy
thats why i said 400w from the wall
On the other hand, a 600-watt power supply with 80% efficiency running at full load would draw 750 W from the mains and would therefore waste only 150 W as heat
and that was a copy paste from wikipedia
mystic ingot
The Focus line in particular is what is having issues. Their other lines have not been under fire like the Focus line is. In regards to Seasonic. https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1093286-why-you-shouldnt-buy-a-seasonic-focus-plus-goldplatinum/?tab=comments#comment-12821954
north bronze
abstract kite
ā« what Erlite said
Jesus it feels like forever waiting on a new motherboard lol
Iāve still got over a week to wait
peak tulip
hey is this game optimized well
peak tulip
okay cool
abstract kite
GTFO has CPU culling, so you can adjust your GPU/CPU load based on whats bettrr
Nice S550 btw
peak tulip
it dynoed at 690
peak tulip
tyty man
fleet canopy
AMD is destroying them even more holy shit
There was also a 5600XT, said for perfect 1080p gaming
median moon
bUt mY i9-9900kF!!1!11!1!1!1
fleet canopy
Itās amazing that a laptop CPU is beating a 9700K tbh
remote horizon
Go team Red š
median moon
definitely
remote horizon
I still have a 2700x and I'm waiting for 4000 series desktop chips 
median moon
i11 might do something big, mind, but we know for sure ryzen 4000 will wreck
abstract kite
still gonna get a 3700X when my replacement mobo comes in because I cant wait 5 months with no PC lol
remote horizon
Lol
abstract kite
I have uni work. No PC sucks
median moon
honestly i hope both of the upcoming CPUs are on equal ground rather than AMD just completely destroying intel
competition is good
abstract kite
Yea I hope intel can bring something good to the table
remote horizon
Back in my day, I did all my uni homework on paper 
abstract kite
More for the consumer
median moon
^
abstract kite
Thats something fanboys of either side cant comprehend
median moon
big sigh
remote horizon
Yeah we don't want AMD becoming the new Intel
abstract kite
^
median moon
ryzen is stellar but i'm glad intel has kept its place as the more powerful processor
it gives it a niche to keep going on
abstract kite
Intel is only more powerful in gaming
median moon
yeah, that's what i meant
abstract kite
any other workload, itās slaughtered
median moon
hopefully with their next gen they can develop more in other workloads
improvements in their gaming performance would be great too but not necessary
abstract kite
Intel knows how to perfect an architecture. Iāll give em that.
If they go to 7nm and master the craft, I foresee an even playing field between both companies in a few years.
abstract kite
And Iāll buy Intel if they give more performance for X amount of money
remote horizon
This tech tuber called Coreteks is really good at analyzing future tech if you heard of him
I think he predicts an Intel comeback in 2022
median moon
definitely not
2023/4 maybe but AMD has surged way too far to be caught that quickly
remote horizon
True, it depends if they get 10 nm this year and stay on track for 7nm
abstract kite
Iāve watched some of his stuff. I donāt watch him regularly but I know of him.
And I actually on that assessment, but with two caveats:
Intel has to drop 10nm and go straight to 7nm. Ryzen 5000 with potential quad threading per core has to be postponed or has issues.
median moon
^^
abstract kite
If 5000 is successful, it will be a huge breakthrough.
Intel will have to learn on the fly at that point.
median moon
a collaboration between intel and amd
abstract kite
So, I see a deadlock around 2024 if intel plays their cards right.
median moon
never happening but goddamn that would be like
intel power with amd flexibility
MMmmmm
waxen orchid
Can't really see Intel waking up any time soon. Intel has gotten really lazy in recent years.
median moon
intel got lazy because they had no real competitors
then ryzen
Existed
i can foresee them getting their asses in gear for ice lake
abstract kite
I want to stay and chat, but now I gotta go reinforce a rear subframe on a car now that a lift at the shop Iām at has opened up.
Time to weld~
waxen orchid
Ryzen has been around for a hot minute and has been annihilating Intel. Maybe not in pure gaming performance, but that doesn't really matter to most consumers that wouldn't be able to afford those high end cpus anyway
fading compass
AMD has superior price to performance so itāll be obvious they dominate the gaming market
peak tulip
i fuckin love my 3800x
put the biggest aircooler i could find on it and im overclocking the piss out of it
median moon
whirrrrrrrr
peak tulip
but i have a bequiet case
peak tulip
id reccomend them doesnt get hot in there even with a 2080
median moon
heat isn't really too big of a priority for me considering i have 3 fans on my 2070S and getting a D15
should be cool enough for an i9-9900KF, bequiet case or not
waxen orchid
have a 3800x too
can't really overclock it because I have a small form factor pc
still a beast tho
strong whale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8i3t6oIPA I feel like this is the more appropriate place to post this so forgive me if it belongs in #media-and-memes. For anyone interested in a small teaser for upcoming innovations for tech in 2020. Ryzen 4000 series processors built on Zen 2 architecture is bringing likely the most powerful and efficient (mobile) chips to the market with some insanely faster integrated graphics, meaning we are getting into an era where laptops will eventually not even require discrete graphics cards for real gaming. Big Navi, and other snazzy stuff.
idk if anyone already posted it lol
fleet canopy
I posted some images of the new ryzen things but more info is better. And anything related to tech is free to be posted here without worry
strong whale
Aight
Haven't talked here in a while
Kinda trying to decide right now if Zen 3 is worth waiting for (supposedly Q3-Q4) of this year is when it's being released, if I do get a new processor now i'll likely go for 3700x, as much as i'd love a 3900x I don't want it to be easily beat out in value in the semi-near future.
fleet canopy
Depends if you want an upgrade now or later
Iāll see how the parts are first, and probably land myself a 4700X or 4800X
strong whale
hmm, dunno if zen 3 will be listed as 4000 series or not, Seems like the naming conventions would cause a lot of people to misunderstand some of the mobile chips. Although go to think of it mobile chips like the 3750 are actually built on 2nd gen Zen architecture and not Zen 2.
Also if I upgrade now I feel like I will get buyers remorse in just a few months, i'll probably wait on buying anything, it's mainly mobo's i'm concerned about
fleet canopy
I kind of do have buyers remorse for getting Gigabyte 2070 Super for same price as one of the EVGA cards but
Honestly itās much better than 1060 and 3GB VRAM
strong whale
Oof, I got that same remorse when I bought the Gigabyte dual fan 2060 when it came out
Overheats and thermal throttles under load, even at full fan speed with that beautiful coil wind
fleet canopy
I honestly havenāt seen mine go over 62 Celsius so I assume thatās good
crisp sage
Alrighty, so getting some new components for my PC this year as I want it to last a good couple of years of quality gaming. Any suggestions? (GPU, CPU)
strong whale
depends on price range and what you'll be using it for, as it stands right now for a processor, if you want absolute top of the line single core performance, 9900k is still the way to go but not really worth it anymore when you can get a 3700x-3900x for the same price range or lower.
crisp sage
I have a GTX 1060 and a ryzen 5 1600.
strong whale
For a graphics card, Nvidia is bloated with sku's for all different ranges, but their pricing is questionable
I have a 2060 and still rocking a ryzen 1700 :)
crisp sage
Nice
Idk, I don't want "top of the line"but I want fairly decent stuff. Like a 2070 super?
strong whale
my verdict, processor, have at it if you are just looking for desktop/gaming performance, if you are into serious workload related tasks, threadrippers are the way to go
also 2070 super is an amazing card
2070 super or 5700xt, both great 1440p gaming cards
crisp sage
I'd need a new mobo tho if I get a threadripper
strong whale
like i said, if you are into serious workloads
like rendering, tedious amounts of video editing, etc
fleet canopy
You sure? Iām gonna test it again @strong whale if I can. Might as well do a reminder on Friday lol cause Iām not home atm
strong whale
about the temperature?
fleet canopy
Like how hot should it not be?
crisp sage
I'm going to have to get a new psu, rocking a CoolerMaster lite
strong whale
it shouldn't go past 79c
strong whale
most cards since pascal if they hit 83-85c they thermal throttle and can even shut off
cpu temps try to stay below 60c for extended periods
if once in a while under heavy load you hit 65c that's fine, but it also depends on the processor itself too
strong whale
perfectly fine
fleet canopy
Or that could be usage
strong whale
no those temps sound about right
fleet canopy
Iām just gonna have to do a benchmark again lol
strong whale
aida64 or something should help you see the highest temps your processor will hit with your current cooling solutions
fleet canopy
I mean, my CPU was also performing 50% so I kinda forgot
Iāll be sure to make another benchmark, and send results lol
strong whale
task manager uses very few variables to actually tell you your cpu/gpu usage, people somehow don't understand that when seeing the 3900x being 30-40% usage in the same benchmark (game) as a 9900k being 50-60% lol
more cores means (technically) less usage according to task manager
same amount of cores being used for the application though
crisp sage
Would the rtx 2070 Super and a ryzen 7 3700x be a good build?
strong whale
yep
fantastic combo i've seen a rediculous amount of people build with those two specifically
molten yoke
how about a ryzen 3600x instead or would that cpu bottleneck?
strong whale
3600x is literally just a 3700x with cut back cache and 2 less cores, game performance is the same
you'll only need those two extra cores for faster rendering, streaming, etc
molten yoke
well then I dont see why spend so much more for 3700x (for gaming anyway)
crisp sage
I have to work for a good few months to rack up enough money.
median moon
reminder the i9-9900KF is the 9900K but cheaper if you're using a discrete gpu
strong whale
3700x is an amazing value and does help for future proofing, but if you are only gaming the 3600x is perfectly fine
i thought the 9900KF was more expensive because it's a binned chip batch?
fleet canopy
Get a 3800X if you can get it for price of 3700X
vapid crypt
That's the 9900KS
crisp sage
Rtx 2070 supers are 700 AUSD. BRUH
strong whale
ohh right my bad
vapid crypt
F is what Intel uses to signify that it doesn't have integrated graphics
crisp sage
What's the difference between the Super and base model?
fleet canopy
700 Australian dollars?
strong whale
don't get the 3800x even if it's only $20 more on sale, at most it usually gets 100mhz higher and that's it, literally no performance difference
crisp sage
Mhm
vapid crypt
The 2070 and Super you mean?
crisp sage
Mhm
vapid crypt
There's a lot that's different actually
fleet canopy
Ah, never saw AUSD before
vapid crypt
The biggest thing is the fact that the Super uses the same gpu die as the 2080
fleet canopy
Yeah
crisp sage
So for the extra 100 bucks it's worth it?
fleet canopy
So itās basically a 2080 lol
vapid crypt
The 2070 is really a 60 card tbh
strong whale
lol all the people buying 2080's for like $200 more than a 2070 super
vapid crypt
Its a 2080 ~10%
fleet canopy
I mean, there has to be reasons for it
vapid crypt
Probably not
strong whale
lol then all the super cards came out
nvidia was such a joke in 2019, hopefully they learn from their mistakes with ampere this year
fleet canopy
Kek
strong whale
now that they aren't building on an obsolete node with poor yields which is what set the msrp of a lot of the rtx cards sky high
awful similar to intel
fleet canopy
What the fuck
strong whale
ew blower fan
vapid crypt
Is there a shortage on 12nm?
strong whale
is rtx built on 12nm or 14nm can't remember
fleet canopy
But yeah, blower ew
vapid crypt
Its on 12nm
crisp sage
strong whale
kind of like the whole "12nm+" thing
vapid crypt
I dunno where Nvidia get their wafers from
strong whale
all i know is that intel has it the worst right now
vapid crypt
I know they're probably gonna be getting stuff from Samsung
strong whale
they are getting spanked left and right by amd for not innovating anything for years
fleet canopy
God damn thatās even more expensive
merry bay
I'm really sceptical of the 9900KS because they only give it a 1 year warranty.
crisp sage
I get 250 a month this is gonna take me like 6 months to get XD
fleet canopy
Lol damn
strong whale
oh yeah there's been some predictions that Vram prices are gonna skyrocket this year too
vapid crypt
1 year warranty, because they're gonna stop making it in a year
crisp sage
How many years will those 2 get me?
vapid crypt
Uh what do you mean?
strong whale
i really don't think intel is gonna pull something out of their ass this year like a surprise release of next gen processors or anything, they supposedly aren't going 7nm until 2021 and by then zen 3 will already be a matured platform
i think he means the processor and card he mentioned before
vapid crypt
They're gonna have Cannon Lake on desktop, and Tiger Lake for mobile. Nothing too special in either, but at least they're actually giving i5s hyperthreading 
strong whale
wait i5's don't have hyperthreading?
vapid crypt
No, never actually until this year when they come out
strong whale
i suppose it makes sense but still
oh yeah i forgot unlike ryzen processors a lot of older intel chips have a matching thread to core ratio
i miss the comparisons between 2700x and 8700k
when flagships weren't so convoluted
merry bay
I might be weird but I didn't really mind the amount of options they recently started to throw at us.
In the past always wished for in-between options
It's harder to give overall recommendations I guess, and there's nuanaces with half of them
vapid crypt
Eh, I do think the product segmentation in Nvidia's current stack is pretty arbitrary; but that's about it
strong whale
it's so over complicated because of the rediculous amount of sku's and each nvidia card having a super variant at either the same price or only a tiny bit higher
merry bay
Probably the most confused bunch are average consumers.
But they never cared to figure things out anyway
vapid crypt
GT 1030 with GDDR4 
strong whale
also the 10th gen processors from intel were a joke and have a shit naming scheme
710
uhd 530
No integrated graphics
median moon
š„ļø
abstract kite
I am playing on mac book air 2014 and works pretty cool on high graphic
all you need is GeForce Now with good network
Only issue is you have to rewrite manualy code to join lobby to steam on GeForce Now session becouse clipboard on your pc and session in GeForce Now is not the same.
eternal cairn
You had trouble finding my name, didn't you? š
abstract kite
My AIO leaked, and I had either a bad CPU or Motherboard.
Yea a little trouble lol
eternal cairn
Yikes, that sucks.
Worst incident I've had was my hard drive dying before the laptop.
abstract kite
Kept on getting stuck in a boot loop and hanging on code 64 (CPU DXE Initialization). When it WOULD get into Windows after getting reset for the umpteenth time, Windows itself was trashed somehow, so Iāll have to so a complete reinstall of that too.
Iām not too upset with the Windows issue, because I want to play around with Rainmeter to modify the UI, and if I mess up, oh well. It wont be like Iāll be losing a lot of information... again.
abstract kite
Everything lol
At least everything on my SSD
I think it was a driver issue
Didnt do a clean install after coming off my Intel system
so moving to AMD mustve done something to the OS
Iām just speculating; canāt really say for sure.
eternal cairn
Did you have another drive?
abstract kite
I do. I did a system image to my HDD back in October, so I still have a few things off my SSD
Iāll do a clean install on the SSD again, and hopefully it isnāt the drive
It is 4 years old though. I dont know the life expectancy.
Drives are really not my expertise lol
eternal cairn
Ah, that's good then. I have a 128 GB SSD and 2 TB HDD and 4 TB backup HDD just in case.
Drives usually last for around 4-5 years on average.
abstract kite
I should buy a backup for my HDD lol
Ahh, so my SSD is nearing the end of life eh?
eternal cairn
Possibly.
abstract kite
Well shite
eternal cairn
It depends on how much you used it.
eternal cairn
Unless you boot your PC once a month, then yeah, you might need to upgrade.
My laptop's hard drive died after 5 years.
And the laptop itself still works.
abstract kite
Ironically I had zero issues with my drive before I moved it.
After the move to the new PC
Thats when Windows got all funky
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
eternal cairn
That actually sounds about right. Was it Windows 8 or 10?
abstract kite
Windows 10
eternal cairn
Yeah, I had issues trying to install it for the first time when I got my PC.
abstract kite
I abhor the coding, but its the most supported OS for games lol
eternal cairn
Tis the truth.
abstract kite
My Uni work has me running Linux VMs in Windows, and I can say I love Linux so much more
So much more
eternal cairn
I never liked VMs. To me, it's almost the equivalent of me setting up my VR system: wires tangled everywhere and my mental status deteriorating.
abstract kite
Theyāre alright. Iād rather dual boot but VMs are more convenient for me
Since I run both Zorin and Kali
eternal cairn
If it's more convenient, then it's worth it if you need it. I sadly don't have much use for VMs (yet).
I'm still halfway through my CS degree.
We just touched on cracking passwords and doing most other stuff in Python and Java.
abstract kite
Zorin is for more of coding. I just like it better than Ubuntu (its basically Ubuntu with a Mint interface).
Kali is for all the server penetration shizz
Ever used Hashcat?
eternal cairn
Nope.
We just cracked passwords using Python.
I am so glad I started learning Python before taking the class though. LOL So many people struggled because it was Python.
abstract kite
If you pressure the PC to spit out hashes, you can use Hashcat to crack them quickly. It utilizes your GPU a ton.
abstract kite
2080 can do something like 40M hashes per sec
Its insane how useful it is
As long as your temps are fine the load doesnt matter tbh
eternal cairn
That does seem awesome and temperature isn't much of an issue for me (I have liquid cooling), but imagine how much sooner it will burn out from mundane tasks like that and playing videos and games.
eternal cairn
I also don't let After Effects use my GPU for the same reason (and because it barely speeds up the 20+ hour conversion rates).
abstract kite
Oof yea thats fair
eternal cairn
I have a 1070 too, but I just hope it'll last for me until the next minimum for games is a 2070.
abstract kite
It should last another 4 years Iād think
eternal cairn
I feel like the minimum has been 970 for the past decade.
abstract kite
Iām upgrading this year to potentially a 3070 since hashcat utilizes the GPU heavily
970 has been a golden card for years now yea
eternal cairn
*cries internally at the destruction of a glorious GPU* š¢
abstract kite
But its not getting destroyed lol
eternal cairn
Don't get me wrong, cracking passwords is fun, but not at the cost of my GPU.
abstract kite
I dont let my GPU exceed 80% power limit during things like Hashcat
None of my components are ever stressed to the max for longevity purposes
eternal cairn
I'll gladly wait 10 years to crack a 256-bit password.
abstract kite
Heh
Iād love to also upgrade to a 3950X or 4000 equivalent so I can play around with NUMA nodes... if I can with that chip
If I can find the money too lol
eternal cairn
LOL
eternal cairn
Do I even want to look at the prices for those?
abstract kite
I know the HEDT processors like TR can
A 3950 costs more than my 3700X and Mobo combined lol
$750 msrp
cough
eternal cairn
*faints*
abstract kite
Its wishful thinking now haha
A 3700X will be perfectly fine
for the next 4 years
eternal cairn
All the people who use these GPUs for gaming will end up having to buy another one by the time those become the minimum specs to play games. LOL
Unless I'm mistaking the life expectancy.
I bet you could probably play 3 games at once with that kind of power.
Well, I'll think more about it in my dreams because I sadly gotta head off to sleep.
eternal cairn
It's 2 for me.
abstract kite
West coast aye
eternal cairn
West coast = lonely coast. LUL
abstract kite
LUL Southern coast is humid af coast
eternal cairn
We still haven't had rain yet.
abstract kite
Hope yall can get some soon
eternal cairn
Thanks. Hopefully, we'll get to talk again soon. 
abstract kite
For sure man. Iām usually on every evening/early morning, so Iām sure weāll chat again.
Have a good one. Take care! š
dense wasp
@abstract kite why don't you just go with a 3990x? š
brisk badger
I am curious, does hashcat work with salted hashes? Wouldn't most password hashes be salted by now
maybe it's good to find collisions š¤
remote horizon
serene folio
It's VR time 
willow rain
delet system 32
brisk badger
hmm, didn't work. Folder in use š¦
brisk badger
and had luck recover a password from a salted hash?
brisk badger
and those were what? sha256 ?
how do you get ones hashed password ? š
I don't get it really
hashes are usually a one way "encryption". Well encryption is the wrong word but it's a hash
you are just bruteforcing your way through I assume?
abstract kite
Hashcat runs dictionaries to find matches to hashes. Itās not necessarily ācrackingā them per se, its just finding a match if that runs sense.
Since people think in patterns, you can run a smaller dictionary with āXā patterns to attempt to find a matching hash. Whatever that hash is, thereās your password.
Thats kind of a TL;DR of Hashcat.
brisk badger
yea it's bruteforcing. For a moment I thought sha256 was cracked lol but that's impossible (or maybe not, find the collision)
that brings me to the next point: where do you get ones (salted)hashed password ? š
abstract kite
As in how do I get them? or how do I crack them?
brisk badger
first. you may not need to share this though :P
Meaning hashed passwords you usually find in databases or somewhere where you may not have access to. And even if you have access to hashed password it most likely would not only be unethical but illegal depending on where you are
what if passwords are hashed with sha512, is that much of a difference in computation, assuming the password is the same
I don't really know much about hashes. I only used it for digital signitures
abstract kite
Iāll clarify and say Iāve only grabbed and run hashes that Iāve had permission to. Generally its been my family and friends, so Iām not doing anything without permission.
I honestly cant really say how much of a difference passwords hashed with sha512 are in terms of computation. Hashcat can run that algorithm so it does all the work. lol
As for hashed passwords, they take a little longer to find, but they still have a value, correct?
So, you can just change the dictionary a little
Are they a pain? yea. lol
brisk badger
I can only hope that every system that stores sensitive information uses a salted hash.it's 2020 now and it should be standard
so hashcat is only uses dictionaries or does it also bruteforce
abstract kite
Definitely
brisk badger
meaning, every possibility it can try as well
abstract kite
It does
Straight
Bruteforce
Combination
Hybrid dict + mask
Hybrid mask + dict
It has a ton of algorithms it can run
Too many to list tbh lol
As far as sha512, thereās
sha512($pass.$salt)
sha512($salt.$pass)
sha512(utf16le($pass).$salt)
sha512($salt.utf16le($pass))
Thereās plenty more though
abstract kite
This is kind of what it looks like
Iādāve got a screenshot of mine if my PC wasnāt dead rn
median moon
i am learning a lot about pc building
one month ago i had no idea how much RAM my laptop had š š
brisk badger
pc building is lots of fun and you learn useful things about
and glass, next you gonna upgrade it since you found out there can always be more ? š
median moon
@brisk badger i dont plan on upgrading my current build once it's all together for a while
it's pretty solidly future proofed and i'm gonna be like majorly broke so i couldn't upgrade it anyway
brisk badger
understandable. don't get forced into buying always the newest hardware. I often want to buy the newest but then I release I play games just fine with my 3-4 year old PC (despite GPU)
I even have a ramsticks that is corrupted, and when an application writes into that address row my system will either hang or the app(s) crash
median moon
fair, though not all of my hardware is essentially the newest
definitely new, i9-9900KF, 2070 Super, etc, but not top of the line
brisk badger
is pretty great setup
abstract kite
Yea, thatās a pretty good spec list tbh
brisk badger
you can btw. game with your notebook as well and let your PC do the computation, look into Steam Home Streaming
If you want to go further you can play with your notebook from anywhere in the world, but need to know the basics of how VPN's works
I recommend to anyone
charred canopy
my pc wigs balls when i tab out, why?
abstract kite
vapid crypt
Asus cards are a good meme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7lnBCFnBok
fading compass
median moon
^
vapid crypt
Wow
My first and only card has been Sapphire actually, can't really complain. Only heard good things about them.
coral sand
Sapphire are regarded as the best of the AMD GPU providers
vapid crypt
Along side Powercolor, so I've heard. I'm surprised to hear that Gigabyte has one of the best cards in the 5700 line considering they have one of the worst Vega cards... though at the same time I heard that it was only bad because the bios was shit or something and needs an update
fleet canopy
Youāre using win 7?
late hollow
yeah,with my new pc im upgrading it to 10
fleet canopy
Thatās pretty neat
late hollow
im currently putting together my pc but.....i need to get a new cooler and needlenose plyers
which im going to best buy for the cooler becuse im to inpatient
dusty pumice
Goodluck bearz = )
late hollow
good luck,im going to hold off till tomarrow for me
crimson dock
asus is pretty much apple
urban gulch
^
brisk badger
maybe people hate me....
but I made good experience with asus products
mostly using their mainboards that is
late hollow
@crimson dock Expet you get alot more from asus
crimson dock
you could get same with less tbh
late hollow
yeah,i bought my rog strix b450 for 117,wich is not to bad tbh
compaired to amazon who at the time had it for like 130$
idk if thats still the price
they lowerd it now
waxen orchid
Asus boards are pretty solid. Only problem is they tend to be more expensive for no reason
abstract kite
This is actually my first Asus board. Iāve personally had an MSI and a Gigabyte board in the past.
Based on the spec sheet, this is one of the better alternatives for a high performance board. Itās overkill for a 3700X, but I wanted something that could be reused for either a 3950X or Ryzen 4000 equivalent.
My thoughts might change when I install the board and get the PC running lol. The specs of my Gigabyte board was on par with this Asus, but in the end was pretty much garbage.
So far Iām optimistic about this board. Letās hope itās as good as they say.
waxen orchid
I personally got a x570 asus cause it had the best vrms out of all the mini itx boards I could find
median moon
asus monitors are their only really good selection of parts
tall ore
Idk man, EVGA has some slick looking designs for their higher end cards. And donāt get me started about the RTX FE cards.
Mmm, dual fan goodness all tied into a sleek silver package.
late hollow
they need to make a gold an purple shroud for a gpu
fleet canopy
I mean
merry bay
just spray paint it like Linus 
fleet canopy
You can paint yours
late hollow
true,i might do that
fleet canopy
Just get the shroud off first anyways lol
You can also spray paint it, instead of Linuās sink-in-water method
late hollow
mkay
bruh i have to go to best buy today and i kind of dont want to,but i need to get a cooler : P
median moon
tri fan or die fan
late hollow
?
abstract kite
@tall ore Youāre right. EVGA makes some nice looking cards (I have an EVGA card myself). Sapphire looks the nicest when it comes to AMD GPUs tho.
median moon
but what if you dont want an AMD GPU >:(
tall ore
Then buy a super old Radeon GPU 4head. :P
Remember, Radeon was once itās own company.
vapid crypt
Radeon was always the brand, but the company that formerly owned it was ATI
They actually kept ATI as a name for a little while even after being acquired by AMD
tall ore
Ah yeah, my mistake.
fleet canopy
For 100$, hm
late hollow
That's the video of the pradeon
fleet canopy
Actually that's probably not too bad a price for a used 580 I guess?
late hollow
Nah the case I had was a bit to small
fleet canopy
Oof
late hollow
Also that cooler was from a old x2 phenom system and somehow it fits : p
But I will say it's ice cold to the touch
fleet canopy
I mean, that's normal ain't it? Lol
It's not really by touching the parts sometimes, that'll determine whether it's hot or not
Hot or Not! The new family fun show!
median moon
indecisive whether i should keep my i9-9900kf or run a r9 3900x
vapid crypt
I had ran my pc for nearly 3 weeks like that because the case I ordered from amazon got lost, the replacement couldn't get here either for whatever reason. So I said fuck it, canceled it and got a case off Newegg waited another week for that
Did you buy the 9900 and mobo already?
median moon
no
and i already know Ryzens are better all-around but i really have no purpose for their higher core/thread count, my PC is gonna be used for exclusively gaming
vapid crypt
Look at it like this, Z390 is over. The best thing you can get is 8 cores 16 threads; which is perfectly fine tbh. Intel is gonna be releasing Z490 this year which one would have to get in order to get the latest processors
X570 will def. support Zen 3 which is coming out this year as well
Who knows what kind of performance that will entail, we shall see
median moon
yeah, Ryzen 4000 is going to be insane but will also make me broke
vapid crypt
See what I'm saying is you can buy into the platform, get a x570 and a 3600; and if down the line you feel the performance you're getting is inadequate; which I really don't think you would have a problem with performance even with the 3600. Its very much comparable to an 8700k, dunno if its 1:1 in games but in most things it seems to be about the same from what I recall
That's up to you though, tbh if you're mostly concerned with game performance; the 9900k and its variants are pretty much the best right now
median moon
yeah, my main goals are to play any game i want on ultra and destroy VR
vapid crypt
Though from what I understand the 9700k really isn't that far behind in game performance, once you have it clocked the same there isn't much difference there
median moon
i'd be getting a 9700k if i was paying for my CPU/GPU, currently i've got a $1k budget for both as a birthday gift
so for right now i'm rolling a 2070 Super, and most likely going with the i9
median moon
i'm not inclined towards ryzen cpus because i'm not doing anything but gaming on my pc
fleet canopy
Well
median moon
- i dont really need the integrated graphics and higher base core clock
since i plan to OC a lot
fleet canopy
Ah
tall ore
I mean, Ryzen is straight up just a better option rn, doesnāt matter what youāre doing with it.
Itās better for gaming by a landslide due to PCI-E 4.0...
That and the lower latency on the RAM, better interconnect, better architecture, there just isnāt a reason to take Intel atm.
tall ore
It applies to him as well.
fleet canopy
Lately
tall ore
Ryzen is backward and forward compatible.
fleet canopy
Oh that's cool
tall ore
He could get a 2600X and use the same board.
fleet canopy
Also Ryzen has been destroying Intel so fucking hard tbh
tall ore
Yep.
fleet canopy
Might as well wait for 4000 series tbh but eh
tall ore
And all of this stemmed from a single leap in technology.
It was one dev team that did this.
fleet canopy
I'm sure AMD is gonna pull out the best gaming CPU we've all seen from Zen 3
tall ore
Oh yeah.
fleet canopy
Yeah
tall ore
And Epyc Rome is crushing it on the enterprise space.
fleet canopy
Intel may have the award for the best gaming CPU
But it ain't gonna be theirs soon enough
tall ore
I mean, 10% win in gaming really means fucking nothing at that level rn.
fleet canopy
AMD is just gonna fucking reign on Intel for a solid 5+ years or something
fleet canopy
Of course
tall ore
You donāt seem to understand just what Infinity Fabric actually means for future tech.
fleet canopy
Infinity Fabric?
tall ore
Itās how Ryzen works.
tall ore
Intel does monolithic designs and because of that the yield of good CPUs is low, yeah. High cost because of it.
AMD uses infinity fabric. Basically itās an interconnect that allows them to bridge CPU dies on the substrate level.
So to make a 16 core CPU they just link 2 8 core CPUs.
And because itās easier to make an 8 core CPU it becomes easier to make a 16 core CPU for cheaper.
fleet canopy
Ah
tall ore
Yep.
But consider this, weāre seeing them do core counts, yeah?
What happens if they deliberately make an 8 core CPU out of 4 dies that has a clock speed of 6.4Ghz?
tall ore
Nah, doesnāt need insane cooling.
tall ore
Reason weāve needed it now is because the architecture is inefficient and the die is small.
tall ore
If AMD can just spread them out and use a bigger IHS, which they can, then they can release stupid powerful CPUs onto the market and Intel is fucked.
fleet canopy
Oh yeah
Intel was already fucked the second they released 3000 series
But
What about the GPU
:)
I mean, sure
tall ore
What about the GPU? Not like they canāt use literally exactly the same technology to link GPU dies. :P
fleet canopy
There was the 5500XT, which kind of was disappointing
tall ore
Thatās why Nvidia has been freaking out.
fleet canopy
But I mean, they have been rumored to be trying to beat 2080 Ti
tall ore
Because they can see the coming nightmare.
tall ore
They will. Not much anyone can do to stop it at this point. If this was an RTS then AMD just found the relic that lets them spawn in armies.
fleet canopy
Their previous attempts failed though
Except mid range cards with better price than Nvidia
tall ore
shrugs AMD has been innovating for years, this was bound to happen eventually.
Remember the 8 core black edition CPU when Intel was stuck at 4 cores that did stupid heat?
tall ore
Well they had an 8 core CPU that was a little fucky. Really good.
Iāll find it.
AMD FX-8350 Black Edition.
Mind that it was an 8 core (kinda) CPU that hit 4.2Ghz stock.
Back when Intel was struggling with getting above 4.0Ghz on anything above 4 cores.
fleet canopy
That's pretty neat
tall ore
Yep. Didnāt have hyper threading and it wasnāt super amazing compared to Intel at the time, but damn if that wasnāt 8 whole cores.
fleet canopy
I mean, I did know that AMD always used to forward the development of better tech
median moon
ryzen 4000 š„
median moon
still solid on the i9 but like
tall ore
Uhh.
median moon
damn.
vapid crypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBIrEZHju-E There's a VR benchmark out that shows a mysterious Radeon GPU beating a 2080TI by 17%
vapid crypt
That's what the article in the video shows, yes
fleet canopy
How much more would that be?
vapid crypt
Well its based on framerate in a VR benchmark
So 88ish on the 2080ti, 103 on the Radeon card
fleet canopy
That's pretty surprising
tall ore
But guys.
fleet canopy
I mean, 2080 Ti can do good render, but what about the unknown card?
tall ore
Quantum mechanics.
vapid crypt
Dunno anything about it
median moon
yeah, tunneling will suck to deal with on 5nm
tall ore
AMD is gonna run into that problem.
fleet canopy
Shh
tall ore
How do you even solve that?
median moon
you kinda dont
fleet canopy
If they are saying 5nm
vapid crypt
Quantum Mechanics
fleet canopy
Then they somehow have a way
median moon
we dont know enough about quantum mechanics to stop random tunneling
fleet canopy
Of getting past that barrier
median moon
and if they do then
median moon
AMD is making scientific breakthroughs that will change history
coral sand
AMD BE DABBING ON INTEL INTERNALLY
median moon
not just for PC parts but for the study of quantum mechanics as a whole
fleet canopy
Yes
tall ore
Not actually sure how youād do it, tbh.
fleet canopy
Also
vapid crypt
It just works
fleet canopy
Where the hell is the AMD roadmap?
tall ore
I mean, you could lock a CPU into a quantum state and cool the thing down, way down to make the higgs field a bit calmer.
I guess youād have less random tunnelling then.
fleet canopy
Also what's with TAM in 30$B TAM?
median moon
yeah, but you'd need some hyperexpensive cooling solutions for that
tall ore
But thatās not even vaguely consumer.
tall ore
Lmfao no.
median moon
well i mean that's an exaggeration but
tall ore
Liquid hydrogen isnāt anywhere near cold enough to start calming the higgs field.
tall ore
I mean, right track, nowhere near enough.
tall ore
Actually you would. :/
tall ore
Youād need it somewhere like 0.005 Kelvin.
tall ore
Little hotter than DWave systems.