pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[vapid crypt]

Nah that original price has got to be inflated, the hardware in that is hardly worth maybe 500 bucks brand new.

But who knows, its Asus. They're almost no better than Apple when it comes to pricing things

[spiral hill]

my guess exacltly lol

yup lol

only thing price fine is gpus

and mobos

for price to performance

except during bit mining lol

[abstract kite]

@turbid apex Either Vsync or could be your monitor’s refresh rate is capped.

Those are my guesses

[vapid crypt]

Except when their gpu coolers underperform compared to others, that's pretty embarrassing

[spiral hill]

found the same one lol

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook-F510QA-Quad-Core-A12-9720P/dp/B07TXH2YSH

more expensive says "by asus" same exact thing

different price

scums

[abstract kite]

The only asus product I use is a 75hz monitor

It’s actually really good

[spiral hill]

yup

they do well in those

i like benq,and asus monitors

[abstract kite]

It’s going to be my secondary whenever I buy a 144hz main display

Gonna be a vertical boi

Its been a champ so far tho

Love it to death

[vapid crypt]

I have a couple of Acer IPS panels that are 75hz, I don't plan to ever go high refresh though. Once you go high refresh you can never go back I heard

[abstract kite]

It’s buttery smooth

120-144hz is unnoticeable in refresh rate to me

60-75hz and 75-120hz is where the largest jumps are

at least that I can personally see. Everyone sees frames differently

[spiral hill]

yup

60fps looks so slow and crap after going higher lol

[abstract kite]

I’m super anal about color reproduction since I work part time at a photography business. Higher refresh rates get so saturated in color.

Its hard to find good high refresh rate monitors with color accuracy

[vapid crypt]

Its one of those things that you'll forever be cursed with having to pay premium prices cause you have to have that 120+ experience. Sure 1080p monitors at high refresh rates are becoming affordable, but at some point you might want a higher resolution; or maybe you want better colors from IPS. It all kind of stacks up in price

[spiral hill]

that is why you get close to 100% srgb

true color accuracy

[abstract kite]

I’m talkin near 100% adobe color

[spiral hill]

yea

[abstract kite]

Thats a higher color spectrum than sRGB

[spiral hill]

adobe rgb?

[abstract kite]

A chart is easier to explain with

Adobe RGB has a larger color spectrum than sRGB.

[spiral hill]

can you explain this?

https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/adobe-rgb.htm

Not always. Let me explain. Think of sRGB and Adobe RGB as crayons. You can see every single color in the box of sRGB crayons. The Adobe RGB box has a lot more crayons, but you can’t always see some of the colors. The reason you can’t see some of the colors is because the Adobe RGB gamut is much larger than what most screens are capable of displaying.

is that good explanation

So would need a monitor and printer capiable of much larger gamut?

[abstract kite]

@spiral hill I work mainly in photoshop and as a lightman. Adobe RGB is useful as you can determine minuscule details between two shades. These details become noticeable in professional prints.

Most photographers use apple displays because of this fact. Apple’s displays are much richer in color and detail than your average monitor

Unfortunately, apple displays aren’t exactly able to be used for games efficiently, otherwise that’s exactly what I’d be using right now.

[spare quiver]

Loooots of colors tho

[abstract kite]

Note that the link you’ve posted is over 10 years old

There have been changes in the photography world since then.

[spare quiver]

nothing changed in 10 years, what you find on the internet is true!

[abstract kite]

I’ll provide you with this @spiral hill

https://fstoppers.com/pictures/adobergb-vs-srgb-3167

So, yes. It is pretty useful.

Pro photographers shoot in AdobeRGB in order to capture the most colors possible. Then edit in AdobeRGB in order not to lose any of that color gamut. Only after all editing has been completed that the file is occasionally saved with an sRGB gamut.

I have first person knowledge of this. lol I work in the industry.

[fleet canopy]

I’ve heard of AMD with their Precision Boost 2 software. From what I’m seeing it does automatic overclocks than manual ones

[late sorrel]

@abstract kite what are your thoughts on CYMK vs RGB

[vapid crypt]

Yeah it'll boost all the cores up naturally, but it'll only boost like one core to the advertised boost clock occasionally

That's the catch with the "boost clock" its pretty much marketing

[fleet canopy]

So manual overclocking is still the best way to go pretty much?

[pallid anvil]

what kind of frames do you think ill be running if i buy this game?

[fleet canopy]

I probably can overclock like most cores to as high as I could go I guess

What’s the graphics card?

[pallid anvil]

i have MSI 1060 gaming 6gb

[fleet canopy]

Yeah you can play it

[pallid anvil]

like 60, 80, 100 fps? ballpark guess

[bitter dragon]

That fx card is going to hurt you a bit.

[pallid anvil]

yeah it bottle necks the crap out of my gpu

is this game more cpu or gpu intensive?

[bitter dragon]

I honestly couldn't give any estimates, but you can tell it to work more off the CPU. Still, with that cpu I don't know?

[pallid anvil]

i running hunt showdown around 60-80 fps

its not the easiest game to run

[fleet canopy]

Put the cpu cull at low

[vapid crypt]

Its GPU bound certainly

[fleet canopy]

You haven’t bought game yet anyways

It has CPU cull option so basically low cull is recommended for weaker CPUs with good GPUs, high is better CPUs with weaker GPUs

[pallid anvil]

okay great. i should be good then

i wanna buy. was just worried with the early access that id have trouble running it at decent frames. plus none of my friends have it yet

[vapid crypt]

I have a buddy using an 8320 and an RX 480, I'm sure his framerate was fine when he played the Alpha Test

[abstract kite]

@late sorrel CYMK is basically the inverse of RGB. CYMK works best when printing with ink. RGB is just the primary colors of light so it works better with monitors and cameras.

[radiant garnet]

CMYK is also a lot smaller than sRGB. I would reccomend working in the widest colorspace available to you, then convert down to the target colorspace and do final checks and edits in the final colorspace. Also, ask who you're printing with what gives the best result; don't assume just because it's for print, it has to be CMYK. His printer has something like 12 colours, so it can actually produce way more colours than just CMYK.

The person I print at gets consistently best results if the file is in either sRGB or adobeRGB, and as GIMP PDFs. Years ago, he was given three PDFs, one via photoshop, one via a inkscape I think, and one via GIMP, and I asked him if there was any of those there that was easier for him to work with. He said the file from GIMP!

[jade ermine]

Anyone has clue what values make the most difference on write speed or is it just aida64? Updated bios and was toying with precision boost and such = writes went from ~ 55k to that. Has to be software being dumb dumb?

[onyx grail]

@pallid anvil theres an option ingame to let the CPU take a load of the GPU (CPU CULLING WORKLOAD )

Im playing it fine with a 660GTX it runs alright very rarely stutters

[dense raft]

will a AMD Ryzen 5 2600 paired with a 1660 Ti be more than enough to run GTFO?

[vapid crypt]

Yes

Is that what you have, or you're going to get?

[dense raft]

its a PC im planning to build

the last piece which is the GPU is coming today

[vapid crypt]

I see, were you aware of the 1660 Super?

That came out recently and from what I've seen of it, because it has faster memory than the 1660ti its so close it almost doesn't matter. Cheaper on average generally too

[dense raft]

Yeahhh I just decided to go with the Ti instead I'll pay the extra 30 bucks lol

[vapid crypt]

Just an idea with these insane market segments Nvidia is making up, but I mean those 30 bucks could have gone toward a better SSD; If I remember the prices correctly that could have brought you close to a Ryzen 7 2700. Probably the best value CPU atm.

Kinda amazing, I put my pc together in the summer this year. I got the 2600 for how much the 2700 is going for right now.

[dense raft]

I believe I got the 2600 because it was on sale iir

[vapid crypt]

Yeah everything is on sale atm, its a great chip though.

[dense raft]

Yeah it is a good deal the both of them lol

But even so, I should be fine running GTFO?

[vapid crypt]

Absolutely, are you running a 60hz monitor or something like that?

[dense raft]

I think it's 75hz yeah somewhere around there

[vapid crypt]

Ah me too I have a couple 75hz IPS panels. Don't go past that, its like a curse

Once you go 144hz you can never go back, or so I've heard.

Someone earlier with their 1080ti was complaining about the game not being optimized for 144hz 1440p, like dude gets around 100. Sounds miserable tbh

[dense raft]

I'm only running one wide monitor but im not sure if that'll affect performance

[vapid crypt]

Should be fine, you aren't trying to push over 100fps. I have an RX 580, standard 1080p the game runs around 80ish, it dips down when there are hordes of enemies spawning

1660ti is very close to 1070 performance, so I doubt it would go lower than like 70?

[dense raft]

Im not sure how the game would run with a FX 8350 cpu with a RX480 lol that's the pc im running rn lol

[vapid crypt]

I wouldn't know, but it would probably be okay. I have a buddy with a similar spec pc; except its an 8320. I never asked how well the game ran for him though, this was back when the Alpha Test was running

[late sorrel]

I got my 2600 for like 100 bucks

[vapid crypt]

Would likely have to lower the CPU culling

[late sorrel]

or less

my RX570 gets me an average of like, 55 frames?

I need to fiddle with culling

and I wanna oc my 2600

[vapid crypt]

My 2600 is at 4ghz, set the culling to Extreme

[late sorrel]

ah

So OC that bitch and up the culling

anyway, I'm probably gunna get the coolermaster evo thing for chryslermas

[vapid crypt]

I think the game is single threaded eh?

[late sorrel]

so I can oc in a week or so

I think so?

it feels very CPU bound for sure

[vapid crypt]

It really doesn't use a lot of the cpu, so I guess that's why the cpu culling setting is there

[onyx grail]

Yeah my Culling is on extreme all the time

because my GPU is ass

[dense raft]

that's not required tho is it if your GPU is okay?

[frozen notch]

Game crashed on me a lot of times recently, I still don't know why. Temperatures are fine, I'm with a Ryzen 5 2600, 16 GByte RAM and RX 580, so I should be more than fine. Still...well I just updated my video drivers, fingers crossed.

Anyone else got a lot of crashes too?

[late sorrel]

culling is the balance between the cpu and the gpu

[frozen notch]

*Oh and moderate culling too

[late sorrel]

higher you put it, the more work the cpu does instead of the gpu

I haven't had any issues

my specs are very similar to yours

Update your drivers is the only thing I can say

I've got mine fully updated

[frozen notch]

Tonight I can't play, tomorrow I'll try it some more

[dense raft]

I don't know much about culling but do you find that in the bios? sorry this'll be my first time building one lol

[late sorrel]

culling is a setting in the game

[dense raft]

Ohhh

so no oc needed?

[late sorrel]

probably not, no

gtfo generally runs well

you might have to lower your settings

[dense raft]

what's the highest setting? Ultra?

[late sorrel]

it’s more of “low, medium, high”

and “very high”

that reminds me, I need to test vram usage

[frozen notch]

I saw a little more than 2 GByte of RAM used, but still hasn't checked about VRAM, good idea

[late sorrel]

I think I hit 9 max on regular ram

but then again I had a bunch of other stuff open

[frozen notch]

Could be that too, yeah, I just got Steam, Avast and Daemon Tools opened, nothing else

[late sorrel]

I had uh, Radeon Adrenaline, Firefox, Discord and a couple other stuff

[frozen notch]

Oh yeah me with Discord too 😄 Kinda forgot. Firefox...just one tab? Firefox and Chrome are kinda RAM-greedy, I noticed

[late sorrel]

like 5-7

about a gig of ram usage

[vapid crypt]

The only problems I've had with this game was the image froze a couple times, like the game would still be running but the image itself froze

After updating drivers I haven't seen that problem since though

Oh also streaming the game, for whatever reason streaming this game is weird. At least for me.

Like the framerate on the capture slows to a crawl for seemingly no reason.

I know for sure if I try running without v-sync it just won't work

[molten acorn]

Woo

Gonna buy 16gb of Ram and a Drawing Tablet this Holiday uwu

[abstract kite]

Nice!

[fleet canopy]

Nice

[late sorrel]

Nice

[abstract kite]

Mates I’m probably going to stick with my stock cooler if the refund AIO also sucks

This will be my message/motto if I’m dicked over twice

[dusty pumice]

You gotta hit them with the edited messages too like you did to us

👺

[abstract kite]

LOL

[vapid crypt]

Air cooling till I die

[abstract kite]

I forgot something so I had to change it

I’m leaning that way @vapid crypt liquid cooling hasnt been nice to me

I love the way liquid looks tho

[dusty pumice]

Yeah air or loop is the way to go

[abstract kite]

damn shame

[vapid crypt]

Its just AIO is eh, go hard or go home

[dusty pumice]

AIO's are usually so loud too

[abstract kite]

Surprisingly mine wasnt

[dusty pumice]

Depends on which one but sound production is way higher

[abstract kite]

course the pump was dead lmfao

[dusty pumice]

Lmfao

[abstract kite]

THAT MIGHT BE WHY

[vapid crypt]

Oh yeah the pump being dead explains a lot

I heard pumps are supposed to make noise

[fleet canopy]

[abstract kite]

I’m taking it back to microcenter on the 28th

sigh

[vapid crypt]

If they refund you, get a nice air cooler

[abstract kite]

Then my RGB fans are worthless lmao

/s

[dusty pumice]

Why lmfao

[abstract kite]

I’m either going to stay stock or get a Dark Rock 4 for silence

[vapid crypt]

With some thermal paste, Coolermaster's Gel Maker is pretty good

Maker Nano

I forget the name

[abstract kite]

I initially thought that I had air in my paste

so I bought a super good compound and I still had the issue

[dusty pumice]

First time working with an AIO bearz?

[abstract kite]

Yes haha

[vapid crypt]

That doesn't really happen unless you remove the coldplate without reapplying paste

[dusty pumice]

Lmfao

[abstract kite]

I air cooled my 6600k

[dusty pumice]

First time i touched an AIO it was a rough road aswell

[abstract kite]

Okay let me tell you

AMD and Corsairs mounting solution for AIOs

is AIDS

Two hooks, one on top and bottom

[dusty pumice]

Yeah i think they sell seperate mount brackets

for AMD's

on corsairs website

[abstract kite]

Thats bullshit

Straight up

[dusty pumice]

Lmfao

Cant argue with that

[abstract kite]

Heard anything regarding the Cooler Master MA620P or whatever the fuckn was called?

let me get a picture

[molten acorn]

Dude

No offense

but AIOs

are completely unnecessary and only apply aesthetic appeal

[dusty pumice]

^

[glass scroll]

Yo we out here clappen some monster cheeks

[abstract kite]

Honestly I agree

[dusty pumice]

Same for RGB fans on aircoolers

[abstract kite]

I bought it for aesthetics

[fleet canopy]

Just get Dank Rock Pro 4

[dusty pumice]

Honestly just go for full black Noctua or BeQuiet

thats the way to go

[fleet canopy]

Or NH-D15 black one

Best aesthetics

[abstract kite]

Those look like fuckn monsters in my case

[fleet canopy]

Unless you like tan/brown :)

[abstract kite]

and I cant use my vertical mount with em

[dusty pumice]

Lmfao

[abstract kite]

Not denying the legitimacy of them

theyre damn good

[dusty pumice]

Well if your on the aesthetics mode then go for it

[fleet canopy]

I mean, the tan/brown Noctuas are good for windowless cases at least

It'd be neat for a sleeper PC

[dusty pumice]

I am going for a windowless fractical for my holiday house

[fleet canopy]

Dank Tan/brown

[dusty pumice]

But i so get why people want to have a nice case if they have their PC standing on the desk

Your gonna be looking at it everyday

[abstract kite]

The vertical mount isn’t for aesthetics. I just hate the fucking chipset fan on my X570.

So I got the vertical mount to give it plenty of room

[dusty pumice]

Well anyway have a goodnight imma head to bed gotta help someone move into a new house tomorrow

[abstract kite]

Have a good one

[fleet canopy]

Take care

[dense raft]

This cooler came like this

[fleet canopy]

Wut

?

I see some weird bend bend

But nothing else

[dense raft]

the weird bend should be fine yeah?

[fleet canopy]

I mean, it should be fine I guess

If you can fit fans and have it work

[vapid crypt]

Just hope the pump isn't dead

[fleet canopy]

Yeah

[dense raft]

Okay

[vapid crypt]

We already got one

Have you installed an AIO before?

[dense raft]

How does that go?

[vapid crypt]

Like the all in one water cooler, have you installed one before?

[dense raft]

This is a first actually I've only installed fan coolers

[vapid crypt]

Oh okay, yeah read the instructions. Whenever I think of installing AIOs incorrectly I just remember that terrible Verge video

Where the dude literally places the radiator into the case with no fans on them, and uses the wrong screws

[fleet canopy]

Kek

[dense raft]

LOL I saw that video it was horrible

[fleet canopy]

Horrible!

:D

[empty pier]

rad screws are good for single double the fans

[dense raft]

But I think the aio shield already comes installed on this mobo?

[vapid crypt]

That's the Rear I/O

AIO is All in One as in all in one cooler

[empty pier]

yea lol

[dense raft]

Ohhh okay

[empty pier]

feel free to DM me is you need complete build help step by step, Burning and QC, whatever you'd need help on

@dense raft

[dense raft]

Okay I will

Oh the shield is premounted on this motherboard lol

[dense raft]

Is the arrow positive?

[fleet canopy]

?

I'm not seeing any arrows

[dense raft]

The ^

[fleet canopy]

No idea

[dense raft]

Because I'm sure it matters which is positive and negative but I dont which is which

[granite schooner]

There is a Plus and minus I see on those, the plus is positive and minus is negative

• positive and - negative

[fleet canopy]

Yeah

That's what it means

But I don't see an ^ arrow

[granite schooner]

they only fit in one way

[fleet canopy]

You mean the ones that looks like a /

[dense raft]

Yeah that lol

[fleet canopy]

No idea

[granite schooner]

if it don't fit it is not right

also read the inscructions with the board, it will tell you exactly where to plug them in

[abstract kite]

@dense raft A little late to the conversation, but the HDD and POWER SW orientation doesn’t really matter. At least in my experience that’s been the case. As long as its completing the circuit it should be fine.

Check your motherboard manual and see if it requires a specific orientation.

[dense raft]

Okay and I did take a look at the manual

[abstract kite]

Never mind. Found the manual

[dense raft]

Oh cool and also

[abstract kite]

Hm?

[dense raft]

You have a clue to where this would go?

[abstract kite]

What did it come with?

What part?

[dense raft]

I think it came with the motherboard

[abstract kite]

Looks to be a splitter

It’s not necessary unless you have more fans than fan hubs

these are the only pins you should be worrying about on the from I/O if you haven’t put that in already

If you have a front reset button, put the wire in for that too lol

[dense raft]

Oh okay this doesnt have a reset button lol

[abstract kite]

No need to worry about it then

The only wires you should have to focus on in terms of positive and negative would be the P LED

[dense raft]

Positive on the left and negative on the right

[abstract kite]

Yea

Are you building a ryzen system?

yes you are I just looked up the motherboard dummy me

So uhh

[dense raft]

Lmao

[abstract kite]

What did you use to tighten the AIO down with

The two screws

[dense raft]

Yeah the 2 screws

[abstract kite]

What did you use lol

[jovial vector]

Red and black are fan headers.

[dense raft]

They're hand tighten lol

[abstract kite]

Oh no

[jovial vector]

Red is CPU fan i believe.

[abstract kite]

get a screw driver or something

Torque those fuckers

[dense raft]

yeah I see the problem now

[abstract kite]

I’d having issues with my aio and being too loose could be the issue IF my pump isnt fucked

[jovial vector]

Make sure to tighten evenly so you don't twist your mobo or your CPU.

[abstract kite]

^

btw hi again pud

whats up

[dense raft]

Okay they're even now lol one side was tightened down more than the other

[abstract kite]

Yea that woulda been an issue

[fleet canopy]

Should I get a 144Hz or get a 180-200-240Hz?

[abstract kite]

144hz imo

180-240hz is hardly possible on most AAA titles and really expensive

[fleet canopy]

I found a 180Hz 1080p for 250$, what you mean? :)

[abstract kite]

Whats the panel

👀

[dense raft]

Uh I dont see this port anywhere on the mobo

[fleet canopy]

TN, I don't really care about the panel at this point as long I get to see anything higher than 60FPS lmao

[abstract kite]

Bruh what is that

[dense raft]

USB 3.1 gen 1

[abstract kite]

came with mobo?

[dense raft]

Yeah

[fleet canopy]

Pull out the mobo manual and look through then

[abstract kite]

Let me check the manual

[dense raft]

It even says it on the manual lol

[fleet canopy]

Look for USB 3.1 Gen 1

And read the steps

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HSD6CBC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Poor me, I just like how the Predator monitor designs are

It's only 50$ more than most 1080p 144hz monitors going for 200$

I could easily get the 180Hz with just selling my 1060 3GB I bet

[abstract kite]

@dense raft

@fleet canopy 1060 3GB go for about 120 on the used market

[fleet canopy]

It's still nicely used, so I could do 150 or even higher

[abstract kite]

you can use r/hardwareswap if you wanna get rid of it quickly

Too old for that price

[fleet canopy]

True

[dense raft]

Honestly that's weird so I guess I just don't use that connection

[abstract kite]

They depreciate quickly

[fleet canopy]

I've been seeing them for 200$ though

[abstract kite]

Uhh

[fleet canopy]

Oh yeah it's 150$ and lower

[abstract kite]

Thats for your front USB len

[fleet canopy]

It's been some time since I checked the price on these

[abstract kite]

Check do you have one that came on you H500/H510

[fleet canopy]

I could sell my monitor for 150-175$ at least

[abstract kite]

Should have a blue end

[dense raft]

H510

[abstract kite]

it should have came with a front USB 3.1 connector

kinda fat

has a blue tip

That’s what you need to use for that header

[fleet canopy]

Alright, I could sell monitor and GPU for like 250-300$ ish

[dense raft]

Oh yeah I know that but the image I showed you first I'm not sure where that goes

[abstract kite]

I dont think it’s necessary. I’ve never seen one before

or ive never used one at least

Yea that sounds about right Mayo

[fleet canopy]

Also why the fuck is ASUS ROG Strix monitor!!!! at 240Hz so damn expensive?

It's the price of a fucking 1440p 144hz

[abstract kite]

Asus tax

[fleet canopy]

350$ is a damn ripoff

[abstract kite]

Asus tax my dude

[fleet canopy]

Asus

Assus

No wait

It's becaus

of the RGB on the back of the monitor!

That's what causes the 100$ increase

[abstract kite]

Haha

@dense raft I just noticed. Did you smash your right thumbnail?

That’s gotta hurt.

[fleet canopy]

Damn that's something

[dense raft]

Wait what I thought I just showed my left hand lol but yeah I did

[abstract kite]

OUCH

Hope that heals well

[fleet canopy]

How'd it happen?

[dense raft]

My thumb got stuck in a door I was lucky it didnt take my thumb lol

Oh I mean it got caught in a door

[abstract kite]

OUCH

Seriously

I hope it get better soon

[dense raft]

Ty lol I do too

But for reall this

You're not sure? Because looks like it might be for the USB- type c port

[abstract kite]

Potentially

That might be why I’ve never used one

none of my cases have had type c

[abstract kite]

GREAT NEWS

My pump isnt dead

Two issues

One, hand tightening doesn't work

gotta use a screwdriver to get the full pressure on the IHS

Two, my motherfucking fan connector backed out of the hub

now we're hitting equilibrium at 73-75C @ 65% fan speed in AIDA64

I'm very happy with this

[fleet canopy]

Fucking nice

[abstract kite]

I had

SO MUCH MORE THREAD

on those screws

We in business boys

my AIO isn't a piece of shit

yet

[dense raft]

Okay so I started up the pc but nothing came up on the monitor

[abstract kite]

Do you have your HDMI/Displayport/VGA cable (whichever one) plugged into your graphics card?

or the motherboard

It should be connected to the GPU

Higher end ryzen processors don't have an onboard graphics card

So you're limited (more like blessed) to your GPU

[dense raft]

Okay I found the problem

[abstract kite]

What was it?

[dense raft]

CPU power wasn't plugged in

[abstract kite]

That could be an issue lol

We all miss things

I didn't get my RGB to light up in my PC because I forgot to install the hub at first 🤣

[dense raft]

Glad I got it alive at least lol now i need to cable manage

[fleet canopy]

That's better cable management than my brother's

[abstract kite]

That's pretty good cable management

Nothing noticeably wrong

I gotta post mine now

She's finally within breathing room

not getting choked any more

❤️

[dense raft]

Ooooo

[abstract kite]

Tbf I do turn off the magenta fans when playing games like GTFO

they emit so much light

it's hard to concentrate

[dense raft]

lol I like the aesthetic feel

[abstract kite]

Thanks bruv. It took a while to get here lol

[dense raft]

Should I be to worried about my memory

[abstract kite]

Wdym?

why?

[dense raft]

Its says it has 2133 mhz is that bad? I'm not sure how ram speed works

[abstract kite]

No that's stock speeds

You'll have to go into the bios to get your speeds to what they should be

pray tell

did you put your ram in slots 1 and 3 or 2 and 4

[dense raft]

They're in 2 and 4 it was recommended

[abstract kite]

good

you didnt goof like my dumbass

2 and 4 is dual channel

[dense raft]

oh lol I almost did

Then I looked at the *

But there shouldnt be too much I should do in the bios?

[abstract kite]

Not really

if you want, DM me and you can call me on your phone via discord and I can walk you through what you should change

[dense raft]

I might in the morning or sometime later its already 1 am lol

[abstract kite]

Fair fair

Just HMU bro, I'd be happy to help

[vivid sandal]

qestion, im trying to launch a couple steam games and either A they crash so can play them or be it makes my pc do a soft crash and reboot
any idea what to do, have already checked the local files integrity and says it ok

[vapid crypt]

Someone was having a problem where their pc would just reboot whenever they tried to play D1, turns out the issue was hardware related. The fan on his power supply died

[vivid sandal]

hmmm

but its only certain games

[vapid crypt]

So let's rule out a hardware problem like that before looking at anything else

[vivid sandal]

how so

[vapid crypt]

Well that's the thing right, in his case it was only D1. Power use is gonna fluctuate, and cause a power supply to heat up. Without the fan that's just gonna cause overheating you know

Hence the resetting, the powersupply was saving itself

[abstract kite]

Was going to comment but I think Demonio has this covered.

Get em tiger

[vapid crypt]

So as it is, you can check to see if the fan is working properly by removing it from the case. If it is, then that at least rules out the power supply overheating. Doesn't necessarily rule it out as the problem though because maybe it has a stability issue. I'm no power supply expert; but generally they have close to a dozen protections all of which when trigger usually power cycle the system. Or maybe a straight shutdown actually, could depend on the power supply itself

[vivid sandal]

hmm gimmi just a sec cause i tried to fix it, didnt work and its trying to reboot

[vapid crypt]

Oh you know what, can I get your specs and the wattage of the power supply?

[vivid sandal]

stupid thing takes like 20 min

[vapid crypt]

Okay, from the sounds of it something overheating then

Well, possibly

[vivid sandal]

i should hope not as it was a prebuild

[vapid crypt]

When'd you get it?

[vivid sandal]

i dont have the knowhow yet to make one myself

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-3600-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-2tb-hdd-240gb-ssd-black/6362427.p?skuId=6362427

ok its up

[vapid crypt]

Oh yikes, those guys don't like using good power supplies typically. Unless you custom ordered it and specifically asked for a better one

[vivid sandal]

this is the second one i got so far, first one had a hardware issue and had a start up loop problem where it would blue screen and crash then boot to another blue screen

[vapid crypt]

So you got the same one?

[vivid sandal]

same model, sadly on a limited budget and all i could do

it was a free switch over

[vapid crypt]

Did you get a warranty?

[vivid sandal]

ye

[vapid crypt]

Oh alright, but bear in mind that if this has been unreliable thus far; it might just be better to figure out what the hardware problem is; cause it certainly seems like one. And then replacing whatever the problem part is.

[vivid sandal]

any idea what i can do to find out

[vapid crypt]

So if its booted up, could you check the temperature of everything. There's a program called Hardware Monitor that can do that.

[vivid sandal]

https://openhardwaremonitor.org/

from this place?

[vapid crypt]

That one looks old, this is the one https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

[vivid sandal]

k downloaded and running

[vapid crypt]

So its open correct, could you tell me the current temperature for the CPU?

[vapid crypt]

The CPU is overheating for sure

That is a very high idle temp

[vivid sandal]

so need a new cooling fan?

[vapid crypt]

I'm not sure, the problem could be a failing fan on the cooler possibly; or mishandling of thermal paste application from the manufacturer

It would be easy to tell, can you see the fan on the cooler?

[vivid sandal]

sorry its under my desk

[vapid crypt]

So something I just noticed, it looks like the cpu has been overvolted or something

At least going by that hwmonitor image

Seems like something screwed up in the bios, either the manufacturer screwed up or the default motherboard settings are screwed up

[vapid crypt]

Why is it drawing so much voltage?

Just for perspective I have a 2600 overclocked to 4ghz and the voltage is set to 1.3v

[vivid sandal]

no idea only thing i have done to this is changed out the 8gb ram for 16

could it be i saw this on a prebuild video review before that they forgot to remove the plastic covering for the fan cooler before applying the thermal paste

[vapid crypt]

Assuming that's the stock cooler that comes with Ryzen, probably not

Because the stock cooler just has pre-applied paste to its coldplate, and is covered using a plastic shell to protect it from smearing

[vivid sandal]

but it definitely seems to be a hardware issue?

[vapid crypt]

Well we've figured out its likely the CPU overheating

Like its pulling way too much voltage, especially for the stock cooler to handle

Though it also begs the question, what kind of air flow is going on with the case?

[vivid sandal]

hmm its got 2 fans in the front pulling and 1 in the back pulling it out, got space for 2 more on the top but i have it sitting sort of close to the wall but should be far enough back to keep it from being a airflow issue

especially because there are no side panels where it sits so it should disperse the heat

[vapid crypt]

The intake fans alone aren't enough to just be there, if they have restricted airflow coming in its almost pointless. That being said I don't know what the front panel looks like. It may have adequate space to flow through. Personally my case has a full mesh front allowing plenty of air to get in. Anyway disregarding airflow right now, the first and foremost issue that seems apparent to me is the cpu pulling a ton of voltage

So here's what we could look at, just gotta boot into the bios and take a look

[vivid sandal]

to answer that its a a front solid pannel the sits out about 1.5 inches and slotted spaces all around it for it to pull

and BOIS?

[vapid crypt]

That sounds like a decent front panel I would say

And uh yeah the Bios, its an internal operating system that the motherboard has. Its what makes it function to put it simply. It can be customized to fit your preferences, such as how fast fans should spin; so on and so forth

[abstract kite]

Ryzen 3 runs hot compared to Ryzen 2, but that's a high idle temp for sure holy shit.

[vapid crypt]

But most importantly right now is looking at what's going on with the cpu settings

[abstract kite]

My 3700X sits around 35C at idle

[vapid crypt]

With the stock cooler right?

[abstract kite]

I have an AIO. I do have a friend with a 3800X that idles around 42C or so.
@warped hedge

He's gonna hate me for tagging him at 5 in the morning

[vivid sandal]

yup stock

[abstract kite]

Lousy you might want to try undervolting your processor

[vivid sandal]

i have no idea how to do that

[abstract kite]

I'd start with 1.32V and work up

You'll do it in the BIOS settings

[vapid crypt]

Alright so what you're gonna do is restart, when you see the motherboard splash screen on the monitor just spam the delete key

[abstract kite]

Lousy what motherboard do you have?

Quick question

moving to phone so give me a bit to respond

[vivid sandal]

ultra M.2 PCIe gen3 x4

[vapid crypt]

Likely won't know since its pre built from cyberpower, unless the branding is clearly marked somewhere

That's features that the motherboard has, but not what the motherboard is. DW about that right now, it'll be apparent in the bios

[vivid sandal]

prob hiding under my gpu

[abstract kite]

Ehhh

[vapid crypt]

No big deal. So to get into the bios, basically spam the delete key as the computer is booting. To make it easier restart now and just spam delete

[abstract kite]

^

[vivid sandal]

k gimmi just a sec and ill hop over to second pc

oh the BIOs is the built in control pannel for the motherboard

k im there

[vapid crypt]

Alright, let's get some eyes on it. Snap a pic of it

[vivid sandal]

Ok camera glitch

[vapid crypt]

Oh boy all the tech issues

[abstract kite]

F

[vapid crypt]

Okay its an Asrock board

[vivid sandal]

I have a habit of finding a way to break things

[abstract kite]

OC Tweaker

[vapid crypt]

Wow

The fan is running over 2000 rpm

[abstract kite]

Its a hot boi

Actually, go up to the voltage and see if you can adjust the offset

[vapid crypt]

Nah that's just status

[abstract kite]

Vcore

[vapid crypt]

You change voltage on OC Tweaker

Bad automatic settings seemingly huh?

[abstract kite]

Change that to around 1.32V. That may be undervolting too much but we can always go up.

[vivid sandal]

dram?

[abstract kite]

1.38V seems to be a sweet spot but I think 1.32V might work.

No, Vcore

[vapid crypt]

The ram is fine don't worry about it

[abstract kite]

Ram’s good

[vapid crypt]

Don't change the Dram voltage to be clear

[vivid sandal]

the vcore offset or vcore nb offset

[abstract kite]

The Vcore Offset

Not NB

[vapid crypt]

Actually hang on

[abstract kite]

Whats up

[vapid crypt]

Look at CPU frequency and voltage change

You should be able to set it to manual

I don't think messing around with offsets is a good idea

[abstract kite]

Changing the CPU clock manually eliminates your boost clock tho yea?

It locks it in at that freq

[vapid crypt]

Possibly, its a little hard to think straight at this hour for me tbh

[abstract kite]

I’m thinking voltages personally

because 1.42V idle is way too high

Thats

Super high

At load I’m around 1.35V

[vapid crypt]

I've never underclocked before, just overclocked and adjusted the base voltages

Rather undervolted

[abstract kite]

He’s not harming anything by undervolting

Theres no damage being done

Just have to find the sweet spot between hitting full boost clock and good thermals

[vapid crypt]

Seems odd that it pulls that much voltage though

[abstract kite]

On earlier BIOS versions, Ryzen pulled a lot of voltage

It’s been fixed now, but it was nasty at launch

[vapid crypt]

So a bios update might be necessary

[abstract kite]

Yea

I highly doubt this is F10 or F11

Being a board specifically for Cyberpower might be an issue though

[vivid sandal]

kinda lost on what to do

[abstract kite]

How exactly do you get an updates bios for that

If we cant find one, we may have to do it manually

[vapid crypt]

it just looks like they replaced the motherboard graphics with their own

[vivid sandal]

im pretty sure they gave me a disk for that but this doesnt have a disk drive

[vapid crypt]

Uh well it wouldn't be up to date drivers anyway

[vivid sandal]

cause i found it odd that there was no user manual

[abstract kite]

There’s gotta be something in the bios that lets you know what board it is

and where how to flash it

[vapid crypt]

So from the looks of it you can just update the bios as normal

This help page confirms as much

https://support.cyberpowerpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013965914-BIOS-Updates

[vivid sandal]

ye have a amd disk and ASRock disk that say drivers

[abstract kite]

There have been a lot of BIOS updates

I think F11 was mid November?

[vapid crypt]

Would you say this is the motherboard you have?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/index.asp

[abstract kite]

404

F

[vapid crypt]

Lame

Alright its the Asrock B450M Pro4-F

Going by the image sent earlier, the heat sinks on the vrms are the same; and I was able to make out the same stripe pattern under the cpu cooler

[abstract kite]

Yea that’s it

[vivid sandal]

looks about right

[abstract kite]

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/index.asp#BIOS

AGAIN WITH THE BROKEN LINKS

[vapid crypt]

It worked for me

[vivid sandal]

works here

[abstract kite]

Oh nice

Good

Looks like AGESA 1.0.0.3 is the latest BIOS update

[vapid crypt]

There's instructions on how to install there

[abstract kite]

Thats uhh

Back from october or something

[vapid crypt]

Date says August

[abstract kite]

Yea thats about right

[vapid crypt]

Oh uh there's a Beta bios at the bottom from November

[abstract kite]

Its so late I’m not even reading lol

We wanna attempt a beta bios or just stick with 1.0.0.3?

[vivid sandal]

pats ye sorry for doing this at this time, just my days are flipped cause work and holidays

[vapid crypt]

Wow with the latest bios revisions Asrock is nuking support from all previous Ryzen gens

[vivid sandal]

?

[abstract kite]

Asrock doing Zen+ and Zen owners dirty

[vapid crypt]

Cause it says Asrock do not recommend updating the bios if you're running (insert code names from all previous AM4 chips)

[abstract kite]

yikes

[vapid crypt]

Not enough space in the Bios somehow? I dunno

[abstract kite]

Its strange

I’d start with the BIOS flash tho

[vapid crypt]

Its odd cause with MSI they had to downgrade the bios and remove support for Bristol Ridge and Summit Ridge too

But that's it

[abstract kite]

Its AMDs way of subtly removing compatibility 😉

Guess I wont be buying a “4900X” or “4950X” for my current board then lol

[vapid crypt]

Unlikely yeah, but hey that 3900x though

[abstract kite]

Aye

This 3700X should last me a long while

Anywho back on topic

BIOS update

[vivid sandal]

i have no idea what either of you just said

[vapid crypt]

Yeah make sure you have a flash drive formatted to FAT32, I think they usually come formatted like that by default

[vivid sandal]

how do i check that

got a couple spare flash drives but no idea how they are formatted

[vapid crypt]

When its plugged in, you can check its properties it will tell you what its formatted in

Like on the This PC screen where your hardrives are and what not

[abstract kite]

it’s 5am cst I need to tap out

[vivid sandal]

and how big of a file are we talking here

[vapid crypt]

It tells you on the site less than 9mb

[vivid sandal]

oh

[abstract kite]

Sorry I cant help more (didnt really help to begin with lmao)

I hope you can get your PC temps in check

[vivid sandal]

anything is better then what i was dealing with

[abstract kite]

I’m hoping this BIOS update will fix your issue

It should

Night guys

[vivid sandal]

night

have a good sleep

[vapid crypt]

Not entirely sure what version of the bios its currently on though

And have a good night

[abstract kite]

Might be able to check in either tool or security?

[vapid crypt]

Maybe the main screen

[abstract kite]

now I’ma head out

[vivid sandal]

that would be under main with micro code right?

[vapid crypt]

Let's take a look

[vivid sandal]

and yes have a drive with FAT32 formatting

[vapid crypt]

Oh um

Unrelated but I just noticed your Ram is installed incorrectly

It should be using slots A2 and B2

[vivid sandal]

owo

ok so ill have to fix that next

[vapid crypt]

So that's slots 2 and 4 in on the board

[vivid sandal]

wait you sure cause i had that on the last one and it wouldnt boot

[vapid crypt]

The last one as in the last computer?

[vivid sandal]

ye

[vapid crypt]

Cause if that's the case, its probably cause the Ram was bad

[vivid sandal]

ill double check later

[vapid crypt]

The reason you want to run it in those slots is cause that's how the motherboard recognizes dual channel

As it is, its running single channel; it'll be detrimental to the performance of the CPU

But anyway yeah did you download the update?

[vivid sandal]

no i kinda got lost as you guys where discussing the updates vs motherboards

[vapid crypt]

Oh well I'm sorry about that

[vivid sandal]

not blaming you just had kind of letting it go cause no idea what update and such would be one needed

[vapid crypt]

Okay on the site there, its the bios update on the top

Version 1.60

[vivid sandal]

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/index.asp#BIOS

this link or

https://support.cyberpowerpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013965914-BIOS-Updates

[vapid crypt]

Correct, the former link

[vivid sandal]

the 1.6 link?

[vapid crypt]

Yes

[vivid sandal]

downloaded it but the pc dosent recongnize the flash drive

[vapid crypt]

Like within the Bios when you go to do the instant flash?

[vivid sandal]

did i have to do anything other than load it on to the drive and insert it to the other pc

ye downloaded it onto the drive put and put it into the other one still in BIOs

[vapid crypt]

Yeah this is one of those things why knowing the exact bios version installed would help

Going off of assumptions is a pain

You extracted the zip file correct, I know that seems like a dumb thing to ask but I just want to rule that out

[vivid sandal]

i didnt do with the zip then copy it over to the usb

[vapid crypt]

Uh what?

[vivid sandal]

sorry brain fart

[vapid crypt]

Sorry I'm a little slow right now

[vivid sandal]

downloaded the file, copied it onto the usb and then plugged it into the other pc

[vapid crypt]

Oh so you just copied the zip file in there?

[vivid sandal]

ye

[vapid crypt]

Yeah you gotta extract the file inside

Else it won't detect it

[vivid sandal]

oh

[vapid crypt]

So place the file inside onto the flash drive

[vivid sandal]

sorry am dumb

still not seeing it

[vapid crypt]

Okay, so one of two things

Either the current bios version is the same so it won't see it, or the version is older that it can't

Though typically they kinda include everything from previous versions so...

I'm trying to remember if I had to download more than one bios version for my motherboard before, that is necessary sometimes

So its new enough that Ryzen 3000 works, so it could just be the initial 1.40 version that's installed

Try installing version 1.50 see if it detects that file

[vivid sandal]

nope, could it be because its a usb 3 port

[vapid crypt]

Uh where are you plugging it in?

[vivid sandal]

front

both are usb 3 only other type are in the back

[vapid crypt]

The type doesn't matter I can't remember if the bios will detect front usb though

[vivid sandal]

ill try doing 1.6 in the back

[vapid crypt]

Cause its a different connector, it would be kinda dumb though cause its still on the motherboard

Assuming whoever assembled the computer didn't forget to plug it in...

So I guess I'll leave you with one last thing, if you do manage to update the bios; as soon as you can set your ram into slots 2 and 4. After that boot into the bios again and be sure that under the overclock menu the ram is set to XMP setting 1

Good luck with everything, I hope the issue gets solved.

[vivid sandal]

nope, gonna grab a different usb

[vapid crypt]

I'll be off now, have a good one.

[vivid sandal]

night, thanks for the help

[vivid sandal]

sorry i found im using version 1.2 could this be why i cant get it to update

[brisk badger]

u usually format the flashdrive to FAT32 when flashing bios and not NTFS

[vivid sandal]

i checked the properties and it says type FAT32

[brisk badger]

ok and it doesnt see the files when u try updating?

if yes mabye try first to upgrade to a lower version like 1.3 / 1.4

[vivid sandal]

yep is says no image detected

im just waiting for it to boot and go back to BIOs after

sadly it takes like 20 min

possibly from the ram cards?

[brisk badger]

and I assume u put the files on the flash drive and not the .zip folder

20min is a bit long. u mean it takes that long to enter bios?

[vivid sandal]

put the zip folder on the drive then use 7zip and hit extract here

no for full system boot

[vivid sandal]

FAK i have tried every version of BIOs and it wont recognize any of them

[brisk badger]

then you very likely use the wrong bios files for the mainboard. meaning the files you use are for another mainboard

[vivid sandal]

its running version 1.2 of asrock and that is what the files are labled from

[vivid sandal]

wait i think i had the wrong motherboard

i have a ASRock B450M/AC AM4 AMD Promontory B450 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

was running off the idea that it was a ASRock B450M PRO4 AM4 AMD Promontory B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

[brisk badger]

you should be happy that your bios didnt allow you to use that other bios rom 🙂 that would have been bricked else xD

[vivid sandal]

only problem is that there is an update but its still the same version

still dont have a fix for why my games are unstable and the cpu is overheating

[brisk badger]

maybe your cooler is just bad? whats ur setup

[vivid sandal]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-3600-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-2tb-hdd-240gb-ssd-black/6362427.p?skuId=6362427

sorta getting tired cause every time it just seems to be another problem

[brisk badger]

oh a prebuild. hmm that should work fine. when did you buy it? i would just try RMA the PC instead of trying to fix it myself.

i cant find out what the cooler is, but it doesnt look high end

[dense raft]

I noticed that I was missing a screw for my motherboard to my case but the whole motherboard seems to line up is it normal to not need to use every screw?

[vivid sandal]

like a pin that holds the board in place off the case?

[dense raft]

The stand off screw was a little loose but I adjusted so it fits now

[brisk badger]

i think someone forgot to attach the screw 🙂 its not bad as long as the others are in place but definitely odd

[dense raft]

I did at first but it kept going in crooked lol

[brisk badger]

is it a prebuild? maybe the previous guy had the same issue

i wouldnt try forcing it in. gone trhough the problem of them no longer being able to take of the screw ;/

[dense raft]

Oh this is my own build lol I just got all the parts yesterday

You happen to know where this connector goes by the way?

[late sorrel]

looks like a display port?

Can I have a closer photo?

that's an internal port so it can't be dp

[dense raft]

I believe it's a port for the type-c is what I think I just cant find it on the mobo

[late sorrel]

It looks like it

[brisk badger]

that looks exotic, also cant tell from this perspective

[late sorrel]

But I can't really see it

[jovial ember]

same

[fleet canopy]

Hm

[jovial ember]

it is the usb c

what mb do you have ?

[brisk badger]

the plug on the left doesnt look happy 😦

[dense raft]

Strix b-450 f

[late sorrel]

it should come with the case

whot case?

[dense raft]

The case I'm using is Nzxt 510

Yeah it comes with the case but I cant find where it connects to the mobo lol

[fleet canopy]

Maybe it is something that connects to something you don't have, making it only required for something specific that isn't there

[late sorrel]

^ I don't have a usb c header

but I have a usb c case

so you're just gunna have to not use it

[fleet canopy]

If you come up on something that says USB C port, then you found it

For now just do the rest others

[vivid sandal]

could it be a connector to alow usb c inputs?

so far the only thing that i know takes usb c is phones

[jovial ember]

@dense raft im sorry to say but your mb does not come with port you need. i just read the manual for it it have the ports for usb 3.1 and usb 2 but no usb c i am sorry

[brisk badger]

tbh i dont see the point of that cable

unless you have a male to male usb-c cable

[dense raft]

Yeah I throughly went through it it sucks lol

Male to male usbc?

[brisk badger]

you use the terms male and females for cables

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61frhi8wV5L._SL1500_.jpg

left is a male plug, right is a female one

[dense raft]

Oh okay makes sense

[icy vine]

Can someone help me out , "gtfo stopped working" every time I try to launch the game

[brisk badger]

your best help is "Windows Event Viewer"

check the category application not system

[topaz timber]

hey guys

i need help/feedback with something driving me crazy

[vapid crypt]

What's going on?

[topaz timber]

it has to do with color banding in dark areas. right now i have 2 24" older 144hz monitors from asus that work pretty well, never had an issue. i recently bought a 400$ 27" monitor and in dark areas in a game or youtube i see insane color banding.

this game really brought it out on the new monitor to the point its unplayable. i have an nvidia card and it seems its a known issue for a long time that amd guys dont have. im curious how many ppl here are having an issue

[fleet canopy]

It could be an only freesync?

Or it's pretty old

That it might be slowly degrading

[topaz timber]

nah

older monitors have freesync support but i dont even use it and they were perfectly. the new monitor is a gynsc monitor and with it on or off makes no difference

do u have a 27" 144hz monitor muppy

[fleet canopy]

Speaking of, I've tried to figure out why I'm still seeing pixels on a 1440p monitor

And no

[topaz timber]

pixels?

like weird compression in dark areas?

[fleet canopy]

No just general pixels

[topaz timber]

oh i dunno

so u have a 24" monitor im assuming yea?

[fleet canopy]

24" 2560x1440p

60Hz

[topaz timber]

yea im really curious about ppl who have 27" 144 2560x1440

[vapid crypt]

I didn't know they came in that size

[fleet canopy]

You didn't know?

[vapid crypt]

Nah I thought they started at 27

[fleet canopy]

1440p 144hz has never been any lower than 27"

1440p 60Hz can go that low tho

[topaz timber]

this is an example of colorbanding

[fleet canopy]

Yikes

[vapid crypt]

You've ruled out any issue with the display?

[topaz timber]

yea if u google it online

lots of issues

i think the problem is most gamers only care about FPS, and dont care. or dont play a lot of games with darker areas like that.

so in this case with GTFO, it looks like shit

[vapid crypt]

So what's the monitor exactly?

[topaz timber]

pg278qr

also happened on a pg279 i returned

when i go back to the 24" ones, perfect like everyone else

[vapid crypt]

Strange

[topaz timber]

do any devs from the game come in here?

[vapid crypt]

In this channel? Probably not, I've only seen Ludvig and Simon in some of the GTFO related channels

[sick reef]

Only monitor I have ever had give me troubles from the start was a PG278Q

[vapid crypt]

But if you want to get some help because this game is part of the issue you can post about this in #gtfo-technical-support

[topaz timber]

lab what i have is the same thing

oof i thought i was in the right channel

[fleet canopy]

You kind of are

[vapid crypt]

I mean its pc related so

[sick reef]

Switched to a S2716DG and didn't regret it.

[vapid crypt]

Eh it can work

[fleet canopy]

If you are talking about your monitor

[vapid crypt]

Is this the only game you've had this issue with?

[topaz timber]

lab, could u test something for me?

nah its in all games in very dark areas

[vapid crypt]

Alright

[sick reef]

When I looked it up, seemingly it seems as if having issues was common to PG--- TN series monitors.

I could, just not exactly now.

[vapid crypt]

He posted that he had the same issue with one of the IPS panels

[topaz timber]

yep

i have a test we can do so when u have time please tag me

i was under the impression that dell also suffered from similar issue

[sick reef]

I only looked into the TN one's because that's the one I had. Seemed like you had to get lucky with the screen.

What issue did you mean then?

[topaz timber]

color banding dark scenes

[sick reef]

Is that like colours melting into each other when completely black background or stuff? If you give me something to try, I can.

[topaz timber]

yes im going to give u a specific thing to try

do u have a camera phone?

[sick reef]

Yeah.

[topaz timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqnKB22pOC0&t=291s

open that on youtube. make sure its set to your native resolution. pause the video at 10-11 seconds. and take a picture

[sick reef]

I'll do it when I'm home, and @ you.

[topaz timber]

when the blizzard logo pops, the color banding is bad on that pg278q and 279q

like the dark-gray gradients

so in a game like GTFO, its horrible

these are on my 24", it doesnt look bad for the most part it all blends in

[sick reef]

Do remember mine is TN, as a preface. Otherwise, I will take a picture later.

[topaz timber]

on the 27"s it looked like this. u see the layers/rings?

[sick reef]

Think so.

[topaz timber]

yes thats perfect because i want TN for FPS games. i did this test on the pg279q which is an ips and it suffered very similar issue

[sick reef]

Never seen any real bleeding as such myself, but I'll take the picture and we'll see.

[topaz timber]

do you have an nvidia GPU? because amd

seems to not have an issue

[sick reef]

I have an Nvidia GPU.

[topaz timber]

ok. please tag me cuz its driving me crazy. if it comes down to different panel manuf helping the issue. ill buy a dell

[fleet canopy]

Is there really any difference to old versus new monitors by the way? I've kinda questioned that for a while

[sick reef]

Sometimes. Generally the panel itself.

[vapid crypt]

Technology gets better over time naturally, but the different panel types are what make them really different

[topaz timber]

sharpness, color accuracy, smoothness especially with gsync for fps

eyestrain tech

smaller bezels etc.

[vapid crypt]

Yeah there's a ton of new features now

[sick reef]

Yeah. Not a hugely noticeable difference, though.

[topaz timber]

well its relative and depends what ur coming from

[sick reef]

TN's colour accuracy is better. IPS' frame times are better.

[topaz timber]

its the other way around lab

[vapid crypt]

Other way around yeah

[sick reef]

Over time.

As in improved.

[vapid crypt]

Oh I see

[sick reef]

Not as a stating of fact.

[vapid crypt]

That was an incomplete sentence

[fleet canopy]

Isn't TN more for higher refresh rates, and IPS/VA for some color?

[sick reef]

It was in its context.

[topaz timber]

yes muppy

[vapid crypt]

Generally yeah

[fleet canopy]

TN's colour accuracy is better. IPS' frame times are better

Lovely

[vapid crypt]

I'm not too familiar with VA though

[sick reef]

Okay. And what were we talking about, mayo.

[vapid crypt]

I think they have good blacks

[topaz timber]

va is kind of middle ground and worse in blacks i think

[vapid crypt]

Oh its the opposite

[sick reef]

The difference in panels over time.

[vapid crypt]

Well alright I don't really know

[sick reef]

VA used to have ass frame times.

Kind of still do, but not as bad as they were.

[fleet canopy]

Oh you mean improvements

[vapid crypt]

Yes

Over time they're getting better at strengthening the weaknesses each panel type has

[topaz timber]

theyre slacking on monitors

[vapid crypt]

Especially in the naming department

[topaz timber]

pushing stupid high hz like 280 which most ppl cant even get to instead of improving other tech

[vapid crypt]

But that's a different issue

[topaz timber]

like a faster ips panel for fps

[late sorrel]

tbh 240hz is sexy

not worth the 500 bucks

[topaz timber]

its only sexy if u can consistently push 240 frames

[late sorrel]

but pretty none the less

tru

[sick reef]

That's rookie numbers

[topaz timber]

other than that u threw money out the window

[sick reef]

Come back when you got them 480Hz.

[fleet canopy]

How about the 300Hz laptop? /s

[vapid crypt]

Oh I actually wanted to bring up the topic of using high refresh rate monitors yesterday, cause some guy was complaining about GTFO not hitting 144fps, saying 100 is slow and laggy

[fleet canopy]

Although saying, I've heard there are external graphic cards you can carry around and plug in externally, so you could probably hit that 300FPS on a laptop

[sick reef]

Really, when response times don't have an extreme overshoot, because they push a marketing gimmick, is the future we deserve.

[topaz timber]

hes prob getting lag from somewhere else. there is a little difference he'll notice from that drop if hes into comp shooters, but realistically its prob a bottleneck somewhere else

i havnt played gtfo yet though

[vapid crypt]

Yeah might be his CPU, but I don't think this game is really CPU intensive. There's a setting to control that actually

[topaz timber]

yea lab i agree

[fleet canopy]

It's basically dumb though

[topaz timber]

i dont understand why manuf are obsessed with hz right now. who here realistically gets 240 frames constant on there 240hz monitor

[fleet canopy]

It's insane how bad optimization was in the beta

But I guess you can hit 200FPS with a really good GPU/CPU

[topaz timber]

unless ur on all low settings and with a lot of AAA games on 1 if not 2 2080ti

[vapid crypt]

Those framerates you'll only see in e-sports games

[topaz timber]

i have an i7 1080ti.. what should i expect in GTFO on a 24" monitor average settings

[sick reef]

Well, not frames, but overshoot.

[vapid crypt]

Well most commonly

[fleet canopy]

You can hit like 300FPS on CSGO and R6S