#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 45

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Should I go with a 1660ti or a rx 5700 gpu

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The 1660ti is 289 and the rx 5700 is 329 the rx 5700 has 2 more GB of ram

pliant zephyr Dec 9, 2019, 10:47 AM

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@kindred forge the rx 5700 is about 13-18% faster then the 1660ti, you have to decide if it is worth spending more money on it, other choices would be a non super 2070

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Well I got a budget so I want a good gpu that wont cost me a arm and a leg that would be good 4 streaming

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Rn I'm using a rx 580 4gb

pliant zephyr Dec 9, 2019, 10:50 AM

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@kindred forge Then the Nvidia 2060 super or 2070 none super wins do the streaming codec they come with

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Can I game and stream from them at the same time

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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just saying, AMD also comes with streaming support with

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ok NVENC seems better than AMF or VCE

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still, if you want to professional stream, you should do via CPU

pliant zephyr Dec 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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@brisk badger yeah by far

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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and optimally a second streaming pc

pliant zephyr Dec 9, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@brisk badger he wanted budget oriented

cerulean cradle Dec 9, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Opinion on RTX 2080 TI, I'm willing to buy it

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Any thoughts?

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Cant afford 2 build a second pc got 2 kids I wanna get a ryzen 5 2600

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This is all gunna be out of taxes and my budget is between 500 and 600

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 10:54 AM

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I mean you have a rx 580 which can be okay for gaming already. for 500-600usd you could make a second streaming pc technically 😉

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I have no clue about streaming nor would I ever do that. What would be interesting as well if a second gpu could do the streaming work. no idea if that works tho

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price/perf wise I would chose the 5700 but no experience with streaming mode. I use relive for AMD and it does what I want but no live broadcasting

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:56 AM

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U can stream from revile

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Relive

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I've done it

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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yea there is settings, i just don't know how bad it looks compared to nvidias counterplay

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then on the other hand, you need to register on nvidia to use it's service

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no go for me

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Alot of streamers use slobs

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 10:58 AM

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i guess there is cpu encoding at work

kindred forge Dec 9, 2019, 11:00 AM

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There is alot of settings u can edit in slobs

woven perch Dec 9, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Anybody here know a cheap case that supports a 360mm Radiator? ATX mainboard

vapid crypt Dec 9, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Uh I believe the case I have supports a front mounted 360 rad, I got it for 50 bucks off Newegg

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Out of stock at the moment though, its the Cougar Turret Mesh

fleet canopy Dec 9, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Cameras makes RGB god damn blinding

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Unless you have one of those cameras with all the settings, you could make it not too bad

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Could someone explain CPU culling workload to me? The simplest answer I found online was that it adjusts the amount of work that GPU and CPU do, but I was interested in a more in-depth explanation maybe

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:50 PM

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me too

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It's the first time i see such a setting in a game

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:51 PM

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High CPU culling makes the occlusion culling calculations on the CPU instead of the GPU, low does the inverse, using the GPU more for culling calculations

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I suppose medium uses a mix of the two.

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:51 PM

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So if I have an older CPU but a beast GPU and haven't fixed my bottleneck yet

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I can put in on small for maybe a happier CPU

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Yup!

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Thanks

brisk badger Dec 9, 2019, 9:51 PM

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erlite, you know by any chance if that culling calculation uses it's own thread?

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Nope, don't know, but likely not knowing Unity

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Given that you have passable to decent hardware on both cpu and gpu ends, does it make much of a difference?

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Does one tend to perform better than the other on occlusion culling calculations

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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That's a good question I doubt I can answer, but I'd just play with the setting and check FPS and CPU/GPU usage

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Sounds good

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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As for the multithreading question, Unity doesn't allow you to do Unity stuff outside its main thread, so I doubt the culling is checked outside

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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as exposed seems to correct a little the bottlenecking between GPU and CPU

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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In my case I know my CPU even overclocked is about a 30% bottleneck so I'm sure small will be better, but I'll try med out and see how it does

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:54 PM

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if u have a Laptop GPU for example and a good 6 core processor, u can favor the cpu usage in order to free GPU usage

edgy verge Dec 9, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Thanks for your knowledge Erlite

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:54 PM

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You're welcome!

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With a good 6 core processor I'd suggest setting CPU Culling to High/Extreme

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:55 PM

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what if a quad core ?

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Depends on the CPU tbh

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:55 PM

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the I5 7600K for example

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I haven't checked GTFO's multicore performance but my 3700X with 8c has no issue at extreme cpu culling

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and it does lower the strain on my GPU

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that would likely handle high without issue

pearl cargo Dec 9, 2019, 9:56 PM

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perfect !

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thx Erlite

north bronze Dec 9, 2019, 9:56 PM

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👌

undone ember Dec 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Is this game support ultrawide?

astral nova Dec 9, 2019, 10:50 PM

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can confirm it does indeed

regal holly Dec 10, 2019, 2:39 AM

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109775240984391782 +1 GO GAME

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:12 AM

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if i wanna build a pc from fresh or just order one just asking lets say in USD does anyone how a rough gauge as to how much i would need to save

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if required -i live in singapore

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:14 AM

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In USD for prebuilt or are you going to build it?

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:15 AM

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i was told to do a prebuild as it could be build to play what i would like

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:15 AM

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if it's a full tower don't be shy on pricing unless you're really tight on a budget, for a mid-spec prebuilt you'll be looking probably $1200-1600 range

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Prebuilt are basically the company builds it for you

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Mid spec for 1200$ is insane

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You can easily do 700$

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:15 AM

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have you seen some laptops recently?

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a 1650 laptop for like $1400 lmao

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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but i was also told since i do not know how to build one that i should just order one----
but the guy that told me to make my own pc said that it could be overprice and i might not use it to its full potential

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Laptops aren’t what he was going for though

limber drum Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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you could build your own "mid tier" for $700-$900

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imagine wasting money on a gaming laptop

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Unless you traveled a lot

limber drum Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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yeah

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:16 AM

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i would prefer to use a laptop for school work rather then gaming

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Well you can still get it 700$ or lower if sales are lucky in your favor

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:17 AM

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you won't be getting a very good one in that price bracket though

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as far as building your own goes

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Saying a 580 with 2600 isn’t good anymore?

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:18 AM

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it's decent

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:18 AM

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580 is like around 150$ if I remember

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A member here said his 580 with 2600 did GTFO at 60FPS+ on GTFO

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And GTFO was poorly optimized for most cases

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:19 AM

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on what settings though?

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:19 AM

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what should i look for intel or amd?

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:19 AM

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as of recent i personally prefer amd 100%

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:19 AM

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AMD is cheaper and their new 3000 series are great as of now

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:19 AM

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a 3600(x) would be great

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:20 AM

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If you don’t wish to overclock ofc

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:20 AM

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ohh right the price range thing

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i completely forgot to mention thats in CAD

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:21 AM

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a noob question here an amd motherboard cant an intel chip right?

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:21 AM

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no

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:21 AM

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My recommendations would be to get a 3600 and a 1660 for 1080p gaming

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:21 AM

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completely different sockets

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and yes a 3600 is a solid option for gaming, if you do workstation, video editing or anything i'd look into a 3700x

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Not only that, if your AMD cpu chipset is AM4, buy an AM4 motherboard

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There isn’t only 2 different kinds of chipsets, there is a lot of them, so if you’re not using a website like www.pcpartpicker.com be careful what you pick

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:24 AM

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yes, and when he says a lot he means dozens, you really gotta do your research if you are building your own

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:24 AM

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thanks for the site i shall use that

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:25 AM

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other than that i really enjoy pc building personally, you'll find it's fun to get yourself upgrades or accessories/peripherals down the line. It's almost addictive really

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:25 AM

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No problem, it’s a pretty good site to use if you don’t know too much about tech. When you have put a list together, please send us the link to the list and we’ll help you improve it for your pricing and for performance

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:26 AM

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yeah take pcpartpicker with a grain of salt they don't have the info on every part in some cases

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:27 AM

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PCPP is pretty great imo, you won’t have to worry too much, but the pricing and of course, the info they put in are sometimes not there or are wrong

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:28 AM

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yee

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Like the part could be listed as 300$, but you can probably find it for what is actually priced higher or lucky, lower

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For instance Amazon and Newegg, both having PC parts will both have different pricing for what you find

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:34 AM

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thanks @strong whale and @fleet canopy

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:34 AM

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No problem

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Anytime, I only got here like 40 minutes ago but i'll probably be pretty active in this channel

humble hornet Dec 10, 2019, 4:34 AM

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very nice

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:55 AM

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3700X isn’t too crazy for a 2070 Super, right?

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 4:56 AM

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A CPU is never too crazy for any GPU tbh

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Generally its the other way around

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:57 AM

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3900X with 1060 is pretty fucking crazy imo lol

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Like pairing a 2080 ti with an i3

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Well logically if you were to put a pc together sure

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But if you say just upgraded to a 3900x, maybe you need the 12 cores for rendering and other stuff than just gaming you know, but you already had a 1060

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Yeah but it’d be really unnecessary getting a 3900X with 1060 imo

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:00 AM

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a 3700x and 2070 super is actually the perfect combo

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Lovely

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What I asked for lol

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Anyway the point is, your game is usually only gonna perform as well as the video card in most cases. Being overkill on the CPU just means it won't be a bottleneck

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:01 AM

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as long as you don't have a crappy 2.8ghz quad core processor with a 2080 ti then you will never be bottlenecking your gpu

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Quad core 5GHz does bottleneck 2080 Ti even then with that clock speed

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:02 AM

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i used to have a i7 930 paired with a gtx 960 a couple years back, upgraded to a ryzen 1700 (which i still have now), the difference in overall performance was amazing

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idk any quad core processors that can hit 5ghz lmao

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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7700K

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Golden 2500ks could do 5ghz

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Faye has done it I believe

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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game performance is heavily single core performance reliant though

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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But yeah probably any Kabylake could

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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i'm talking realistic situations here though, not like kingpin overclocking

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Kek

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Well I guess time to save for a CPU/mobo upgrade now

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:04 AM

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don't upgrade anytime soon

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Big Navi cards coming 2020, Ryzen Zen 3, Nvidia Ampere

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unless you plan on buyer's remorse

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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He already got a 2070S I believe

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I already got myself 2070 Super on Black Friday week

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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that's fine

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I just need CPU upgrade and RAM

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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which Aib card did you get?

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Like cooking? Fan

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Fucking

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 AM

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manufacturer

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like Asus Rog Strix, MSI, etc

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Gigabyte, I know you people call it trash but it’s better than 1060

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 AM

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eghh i hate gigabyte, i say this as someone who has a gigabyte board and card lmaoo

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Eh I think they're just hit or miss

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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they're cheap for a reason, the card isn't a big deal other than the cooling

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I heard their 5700s are good though

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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really?

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the 5700 is supposed to be a frickin oven

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Yeah the Gaming Oc is one of the best options

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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the FE cards were getting to 105 degrees celsius

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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My 1060 3GB is Gigabyte, has done me long enough and it’s still going strong to this day, just not performing to my needs probably because I got a 1440p monitor

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Well oven with the blower sure phaWesker

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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haha yeah

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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But that's the uh

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Also apparently any Sapphire card has great cooling

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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blower style in 2019 imagine

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Junction Temp

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The hottest spot on the die

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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yeah ik the temps are mixed

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nonetheless way hotter than most cards

wanton rampart Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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📎 44402424_2147943435218713_4554434602587914240_o.jpg

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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I'm sure its cooler than the junction on Vega

thorn spade Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Anyone know of a way to disable the film grain in the game via config?

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Also yeah sapphire was one of the first Aibs that came out for 5700(xt)

wanton rampart Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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my setup 🙂

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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I was going to get an EVGA 2070 Super but it was like a more cheaper than getting an EVGA

thorn spade Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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film grain and chromatic aberration gives me a crazy headache so i normally just disable

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Um

thorn spade Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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but no option for that 😦

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Chromatic Abberation can be disabled

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I don't recall if that's the case with the grain

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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if i get a 2070 super or any other card i'd rather get a rog strix, expensive but they are binned chips + have rediculously good cooling

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Film grain can be disabled

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:10 AM

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from what i remember seeing the rog strix 2070 super doesn't see higher than 70c in most games

thorn spade Dec 10, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I don't see settings for either ingame, so I assumed it'd be a config .ini tweak as it often is

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:10 AM

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also isn't that #gtfo-technical-support?

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:10 AM

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If I knew what my temps were, then I’d have understood but

thorn spade Dec 10, 2019, 5:11 AM

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could very well be

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i'll try there

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I don’t have any programs whatsoever that calculates temperature and % usage

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:11 AM

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if you have a ryzen cpu, get ryzen master

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any card can also use msi afterburner

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Riva Tuner with MSI afterburner gives you an overlay for that stuff

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I have 7700K as I’ve said Kek

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:12 AM

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7700k is still solid

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also yeah i forgot lol

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I’ll see about getting MSI afterburner, I’ve used it before

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:12 AM

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it works with any card

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you can also set your own fan curves

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because i have a gigabyte 2060 i set an aggressive fan curve and haven't seen overheating issues since

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Not too sure what fan curve even is

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:13 AM

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basically telling the fans how fast to spin at certain intervals

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that being temps

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Ah ok

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:13 AM

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for me if it ever reaches 80c i set it to spin 90%

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:16 AM

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I’ll see about it when I come back home on the weekend lol

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Also I’m pretty sure 2070 Super doesn’t even go 36FPS on Quake 2 with RTX on lol

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:16 AM

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seriously

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:17 AM

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It did for me, but it’s literally doing 36FPS and there’s absolutely no fucking way it does that haha

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Also weird wording I know

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:17 AM

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the 2080ti hits around 70-80fps with Vulkan on Quake RTX

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Vulkan? GWmythicalThonkCool

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Its a graphics API

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Like Direct X

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Mmk

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Vulkan is generally better "optimized"

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it's amazing on Doom

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:19 AM

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TBH usually performs better

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Never saw the vulkan option, it’s only for 2080/Ti?

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 5:19 AM

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No there's no limit to a specific range of graphics cards

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I wouldn't know how to enable it on that demo though

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:21 AM

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so i watched a few benchmarks and although it isn't locked, the 2070 super still hits high 50's to low 60's framerates on quake rtx (Vulkan of course)

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also the benchmarks will be consistent because it is a almost 100% gpu bound game with rtx on

fleet canopy Dec 10, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Mmk

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Anyways I gotta sleep now

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Take care

strong whale Dec 10, 2019, 5:24 AM

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goodnight

paper niche Dec 10, 2019, 9:34 AM

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is the game currently open to public?

bright cypress Dec 10, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Its on steam

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As early acces

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Everykne can buy it

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@paper niche

paper niche Dec 10, 2019, 9:37 AM

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yeah just saw it thanks

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on my way to grab it

bright cypress Dec 10, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Awsome, goodluck!

keen coral Dec 10, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Anyone ready for A1? Searching for 1 person c:

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 4:00 PM

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LF 3 more for B1

flat trench Dec 10, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Anyone for B1

mystic pasture Dec 10, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@flat trench @abstract kite @keen coral please use the LFG channels to find groups

flat trench Dec 10, 2019, 5:04 PM

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oops

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didnt even relize

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 5:04 PM

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yea same my b

drifting hull Dec 10, 2019, 6:07 PM

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LFG

brisk badger Dec 10, 2019, 6:09 PM

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#lfg-eastern-europe
#lfg-north-america
#lfg-asia
#lfg-latin-america
#lfg-oceania

long tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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imm stuck here

📎 20191211005824_1.jpg

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b1

fickle shuttle Dec 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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how do I join a lobby?
3. Click the "Join <persons name> from clipboard"
dont see this option?

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Send a report in #bug-reporting

long tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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just copy the number and in game make it crtl v

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you will see on right

fickle shuttle Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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oh thats it?

long tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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yes

burnt cargo Dec 10, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Anyone else have a RX 5700 that only use up 50-60% of the gpu at any given time? I'm not hitting near 100% utilization

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Don't think i'm CPU bound with a R5 2600

north bronze Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Are your games running smoothly?

burnt cargo Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Smooth for the most part except for when there's a lot of enemies on the screeen

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frame rate dips but GPU utilization stays the same

spiral patio Dec 10, 2019, 10:16 PM

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might sound like a dumb question but. what's your memory utilization

burnt cargo Dec 10, 2019, 10:16 PM

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lol that's not a dumb question at all

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talking about VRAM or RAM?

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I got 16GB of RAM

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3200 speed

spiral patio Dec 10, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Oh you're fine then. I can't really comment on Vram right now. I'm still debating if Microsoft had diddled with it again in the latest update.

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coz I notice my pagefile usage going crazy like somethings about to crash but then it doesn't so I figure okay maybe it's just a dump but I cant find anything so

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Oof

burnt cargo Dec 10, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Might have to play with WattMan or something in the meantime

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idk

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:51 PM

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my game runs instable are there any steps to make it more stable

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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unstable?

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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crashes about 3 to 4 times in a run

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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try lowering texture and shadows

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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lowest

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Huh

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what's the gpu and cpu?

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 PM

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r9 380

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i7 3770K

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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wait what?

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whats the first one?

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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GPU
CPU

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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r9?

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Radeon R9 380

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Ah

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I thought so, wanted to make sure

raw acorn Dec 10, 2019, 11:00 PM

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a mi no me sale nadie en loby

vapid crypt Dec 10, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Are you drivers up to date?

paper mantle Dec 10, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Hey all i asked in a few different channels nobody was sure does this game support hdr

abstract kite Dec 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

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we all are not sure

reef wedge Dec 10, 2019, 11:31 PM

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yes

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Why does the gameplay looks kinda blurry

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No taa or smaa planned? 😭

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Fxaa is kinda :/

worthy escarp Dec 11, 2019, 1:13 AM

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how do i generate an invite link to my game

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 1:16 AM

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why does everyone ask questions about the game in a pc building and tech talk channel is the real question

fleet canopy Dec 11, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Hah yeah

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Yeaa 😅

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What is the most potato set up you can play the game on lol

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I need answers 😆

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 1:17 AM

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710 integrated graphics probably

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or uhd 620 or below

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 1:18 AM

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The game actually works on Integrated graphics?!

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 1:18 AM

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probably

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Need to dust off thr old laptop lol

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 1:18 AM

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maybe at like 5 fps lowest settings

oblique pilot Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

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So, what would make an electric like noise once in a rare while in your computer?

fleet canopy Dec 11, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Maybe your fan

oblique pilot Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I kinda thought about that, but I know it's not case fans. Dunno if gpu fans or battery fan would make such a noise. It's like pretty static the sound.

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If you could imagine a tesla coil on a very small level that only activates for a second. That's what I would describe the noise.

chilly cedar Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Is there a way to disable mouse acceleration on the menu?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

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There is?

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There should be an option for it

chilly cedar Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Where?

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I don't see one.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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in mouse settings

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or controls

chilly cedar Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Nope

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I've checked all the tabs

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Probably because the FPS keeps changing

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 2:55 AM

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gameplay

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Let me check

frank pasture Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Game looks great on triple. Core i7 3829, 1070 x2, 16 GB, PCpower 950

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fleet canopy Dec 11, 2019, 3:37 AM

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W i d e

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Found on the Asus website, not sure if applies to USD or other currency

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late sorrel Dec 11, 2019, 3:58 AM

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@frank pasture you using Eyefinity?

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oh wait you can’t

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I’ll have to try that Tomorrow

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Lol

frank pasture Dec 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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@late sorrel runs great on low settings,

copper zealot Dec 11, 2019, 5:22 AM

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My system has held up great through the whole experience, the only issues right now are lag from server hosts

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Man is that a game killer too 😦

thick lotus Dec 11, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I have i5 2500k OC @ 4ghz
H60 Corsair liquid cooler
16GB ram
Nvidia 970 Gigabyte extreme gamer edition

All settings on max

Turned off vsync
Turned off Ambiant Occlusion or SOA or what ever it's called

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I get aroun 80 - 90 FPS

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Resolution is 1080p

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60hz

bitter dragon Dec 11, 2019, 5:44 AM

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I will keep v-sync on.

chilly cedar Dec 11, 2019, 5:49 AM

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@copper zealot are you playing with players from your region? Also make sure the person with the highest up speed is hosting, down isn't too big of a requirement for hosting.

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:25 AM

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@thick lotus you forgot the most important setting; what resolution you running?

thick lotus Dec 11, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Can you read? lol.....

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:39 AM

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1080p meaning 2560x1080? 1920x1080? 1080x1080? :p

thick lotus Dec 11, 2019, 6:44 AM

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1920x1080

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😄

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:13 AM

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:V
That's really nice then! Would you say it rund better now vs Alpha?

bitter dragon Dec 11, 2019, 7:23 AM

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It runs way better now.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 7:31 AM

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New PC built. 3700X, 32GB of ram, reused GTX 1070.

I’m thermal throttling at full load. Bad CPU mount. Gonna have to change the thermal paste, but for now I dont get over 40C at idle so its usable. Come Saturday I’ll go buy some better compound. lol

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warped hedge Dec 11, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Mhhhh

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fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 8:05 AM

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@frank pasture what graphics settings used?

vapid folio Dec 11, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Y'all are rich

frank pasture Dec 11, 2019, 8:41 AM

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@fickle shuttle Lowest , 5760x1080

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Remember, cross tighten until fit.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Cross tighten two screws? 🙃

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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If my mount, that has press on it to shift it around, sits still because I just turn those bolts like they're some Ikea screw on a shifty table, then underpressing it shant be a problem.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Corsair uses AMD’s ass mounting solution

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Two screws for the cooling?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Yea

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Yeah, cross tighten still applies, though, I guess.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Those are held on by hooks

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Dumbest thing ever imo

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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That seems awfully weird of a solution.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 AM

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IKR

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:58 AM

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But if you're sure it's mounting pressure, it should just be to tighten further, right?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Its not going anywhere. Tightened it to the point where it wont budge

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The issue is I have air pockets in the thermal paste (Thanks Corsair).

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So I gotta reapply some more when I get some

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And clean the current crap off

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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How do you know if you have air pockets in the paste after applying?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Hella spikes in temps

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Warmspots leading to inflated temperatures.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Ooh ic

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I hit 87C at full load

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Well

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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What would be a bad idle temp?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Idk maybe more

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I stopped after I saw that number

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Ooft

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Depends on the setup. Is that a 140 AIO?

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 8:59 AM

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240mm

knotty spruce Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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87 on load UFF, this is rly fucking hot xD

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Isn't unresonable to think of a 40-50 idle.

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Even less, depending on clock and CPU.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I use air cooling on mine , old schoole i know 😂

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Idle is about 39-40C stock settings rn

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I dont oc tho so I guess its not too bad lol

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Not touching voltages and clock speeds till I can reapply the cooler

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Aircooling works, to a point, obviously.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Air cooling is still great

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:00 AM

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It's not too bad.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I think I get around 65 on load, its cool xD

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I've said it before, but yeah, I get around 60-70 on load too.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Should try oc maybe not sure

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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You cant really beat a bigass Noctua cooler unless you go custom loop

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Well, maximum load, for me.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Noctua is brown tho 😂

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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You can if you get a positive temperature coefficient due to size.

knotty spruce Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 AM

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On load @prime95 or on load @games or other applications?

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Tho. They do black coolers now

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Finally fashion pc 😍

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Noctua has the chromax now

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Yeet

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Black coolers

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ftw

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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😆

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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The brown on the Noctua's are rubber inserts you can remove, from the normal fans.

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If I remember correctly.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Can i repaint the fins tho lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Not without performance loss.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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I personally dont own a notctua one lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Weight, and aerodynamic.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 AM

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But seemed interesting when I was looking at coolers

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 AM

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But you should be able to paint the outer frame without any impedance.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Just buy the chromax fans if you want black noctua fans lol

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Got a cryorig one its okay

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 AM

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I had a cryorig h7 on my 6600k. Hit 4.5Ghz no problem

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Good coolers for the price

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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My custom loop, though too overkill for this discussion, helps my 7940X run at 4.8GHz base.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Noice noice

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Sounds hot 😍

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I havent delved into custom loops yet

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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It runs at 30C.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Can it push 5ghz xD

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Probably, wouldn't surprise me.

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But I'd get diminished returns, heat wise, overclocking 14/28 like that.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Im planning on buying Threadripper next (just built a PC and already planning for the next LUL), and I’m thinking of doing a custom loop for that

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Wheres a good place to check how high I can oc my cpu?

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I havent played around with ocing yet

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Really its trial and error tbh

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Kind of. It depends on a lot of factors.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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So lottery time? 😊

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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The silicon lottery isnt friendly

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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The case, heat dissipation, the CPU, and the cooling solution, mainly.

knotty spruce Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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My 9900k runs on 5.3ghz with custom loop. Direct Die. No IHS. Have two 560mm radiators, in my the tower 900 case.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Lottery is secondary, mainly about stability.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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All that for a 9900k? @knotty spruce

knotty spruce Dec 11, 2019, 9:07 AM

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For 9900k and the 2080ti with a biosmod

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:07 AM

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I wouldn't want to run my CPU too high, due to degradation.

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I want it to last, too.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Eh. I cant see how a 9900k warrants a custom loop but its cool I guess.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 AM

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It's the best gaming CPU.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Thats about all it is

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 AM

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You do get a lot out of your temps for custom loop.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Thats true

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:09 AM

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But, Sakura, regarding overclocking, if you have an average setup, silicon lottery hardly matters, as you'd hit temperature throttles way earlier.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Ooh ok

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Intel lost me a while back. Still kinda salty over how easy MDS attacks are.

I beg to differ when it comes to the silicon lottery.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:09 AM

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You can, but you're wrong.

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If you have a better cooling solution, regarding the whole computer, than an average setup, then you would be more correct.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Lets take 9900Ks for example.

How many can really hit 5.0Ghz all cores with an average cooling solution?

Maybe with custom loops its not a factor, but for the average user, it does.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:11 AM

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But thermal accumilation will happens swiftly as the computer case can't displace the heat, and the dissipation from the CPU isn't enough.

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For custom loops, silicon is all that matters.

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It determines the upper limit of the CPU.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:14 AM

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And thats why it comes back to the silicon lottery.

You just said it yourself.

Setting aside factors such has heat dissipation and case airflow, silicon quality determines the upper limit of a CPU.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Take in mind that you can not use neither mine, nor your build as an example of average.
2 in front, one in back, half assed CPU heatsink with a small fan.

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It'll throttle almost by just being used intensely.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Any CPU without proper airflow isnt going to perform well in those conditions. I dont see your point.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 AM

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That is my point.

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You are seeing it.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 AM

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Yet you already explained my point yourself lol

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I believe we’re talking past each other

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:17 AM

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Your point is that silicon determines the upper limit of a CPU that isn't limited, as I agree.
When it comes to an average build, thermal throttling would be much more of a factor for overclocking.

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As such why I specify average build.

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Without the specification, that I so started with, we would be talking past each other, hence the specification.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:18 AM

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And I agree, yet it feels like you’re negating a factor by assuming that the conditions will be poor.

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It still is a factor. Regardless of conditions.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:19 AM

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So the average build doesn't have poor cooling solutions?

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Even assuming a case in itself doesn't inflate the temperatures, which is very much can.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Considering that there is such a broad range of chips with varying performance, its kind of hard to pinpoint “poor conditions” unless we specify the minimum specs/requirements for the CPU.

A Pentium can survive almost any condition because of its core count and tdp.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:22 AM

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But would it overclock well?

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Assuming base cooler, that is included with the CPU.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Pretty damn sure it can

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Because Ive done it

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Good. And now, contemporary CPU's, then. How about those, base cooler obviously.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Again, define ‘contemporary’.

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More specificities

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:24 AM

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Do I need to specify, or do we look at per example steam stats, or do try and find the temperature average of a home computer users computer?

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For overclocking such as an average PC, you look at the fundamentals first.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:25 AM

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You’re constraining the overclocking abilities now by using the stock cooler. Which, unless I’m wrong, most sane people when building a decent PC tend to purchase aftermarket coolers.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I wasn't, actually, but that was the example in the situation.

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Earlier I stated a "average PC"

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I dont see stock coolers being sold with any intel ‘K’ processors

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Two in the front, one in the back, half-shoddy CPU heatsink.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Prebuilt?

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Or just a POS PC

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Because, if we must go with your scenario, you’re right.

On the flip side, in an actual coherent and properly cooled system, you’re wrong.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Yeah, that's what this discussion started with me stating, yes.

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I'm glad you understand.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Glad we’re on the same page now.

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The end result though wasnt the original discussion lol

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 AM

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You just assume too high of an average PC.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Then define average for me.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 AM

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The one's who actually invest themselves into computer parts are a small portion of those who buy PC's.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Sure. So, are the systems you’re referring to prebuilt?

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:32 AM

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I am referring to all systems, disregarding office computers or the like.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:34 AM

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All systems, so that includes office computers, laptops, HTPCs, prebuilt “gaming” PC, etc.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Literal office computers.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:34 AM

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I see a very small portion of those that can actually overclock processors.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:34 AM

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As they are not home computers, as I so said earlier.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Office computers generally have motherboard constraints and/or locked processors, so the entire idea of “overclocking the average PC” based on that example isn’t even possible.

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The argument falls there unless you have another example.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:43 AM

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Are you going to be silly then?
I specified that I did not include computers that are placed in an office, as I specified home computers. If we so would disregard computers that are unable to be overclocked, even if the case that they were able to be, one of the most common problems for people with computers is thermal accumulation. An inability for the computer as a whole system to displace the heat it is producing properly, leading to high temperatures.

The basis of what I said, to begin with, was that silicon lottery would in fact not be of the most matter to an average PC, as you so stated, this assuming that an average PC could so be defined as I also stated earlier. You stated the contrary, because you though that the average PC has a good enough cooling solution to suffice against thermal throttling.

It does not matter, in terms of what the system is, or any other specification, because of the myriad of variations of PC's available, and only really serves as to avoid the main point, or are attempts to dilute the argument.

Do you wish to disagree, then sure, we can specify, and specify, and then, when we're down the the >1% of home computers that belong to enthusiasts, you would be correct, they probably might be more affected by the silicone, but that wasn't what I was stating to begin with, and I even earlier agreed with you on that, but any practical purpose of stating it as a norm, or fact, is null, as it isn't true.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Now that I can finally read without trying to read between the lines, I agree with your point. In the “average” computer with “average” cooling, thermal constraints will be more of an issue. I apologize for immediately thinking of that >1% which I’ve been accustomed to.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:52 AM

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I'm not trying to be diffuse but I can come out like that sometimes.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Thats fair.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:53 AM

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🍿

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:53 AM

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I’m glad this has been entertaining

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Yus 😊

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Two nerds getting worked up over bullshit lmfao

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:53 AM

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An discussion, with merit, or just argumentation, is always amusing.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Im still trying to work out what graphics settings I should play this game on lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Heh

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Aim for what you want, but try to keep a steady 60.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:54 AM

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The highest settings you can with a decent framerate. This isnt a competitive game, so 60fps is fine.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:54 AM

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I think I do 70-80 but its a bit inconsistent lol

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Whats your monitor’s refresh rate?

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Well according to ingame fps counter

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165hz 2560x1440p

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Gtx 1080, i7 8700k (no oc yet), 16 gb ddr4 ram

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Yeah, aim for 120 then.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Hence wondering about the oc lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:57 AM

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8700K

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:57 AM

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The game looks pretty good on medium settings tbh. I tried them all out.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Should be able to handle some Hertz.

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4.3 or 4.4 should be safe.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:58 AM

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What cooling solution do you have Sakura? You said a Cryorig?

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 9:58 AM

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But that's with the rest also accounted for.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Yea

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:58 AM

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H7?

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Or a different one

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 9:59 AM

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I think so or a variation

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I can't recall exactly lmgt

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 9:59 AM

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An H7 should be able to hold it at 4.4. Maybe 4.5

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

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8700K in general handles 4.3~ without larger issues.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

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^

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Yeah h7

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Oh yea you’re good

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Does intel turbo not already boost it? Not really sure

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Boost will give you the extra needed after that.

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It boost temporarily

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Oh it ads onto it?

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Yeah, pretty much.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Interesting

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Id start with increments however. Start with 4.3 and work your way up.

Boost clock speeds generally are single core

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Intel Boost boost the most active cores, but not all cores at once, and especially not for long durations

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Yea

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I ran into the issue when I ran DOSBox when it tried to use 100% of my CPU

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Damn

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

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14/28, base 4.8GHz, with boost function enabled.

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It shot up and steady stated at around 64 degrees.

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But it turned my entire room up several degrees.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

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64C isnt bad though

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

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No, it's really, really good.

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But it's still heat that gets transferred into my room,

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Radiators heat up rooms faster because of the dissipated heat compared to a tower cooler’s concentrated heat.

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Well, heat is heat.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Ye my pc feels like a space heater lol

pale arrow Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Yikes

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Good in winter 😂

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Computer used to heat up my room, but now it doesn't as much anymore.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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My PC literally is a heater rn with that bad mount lmao

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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heh

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Are pc fumes toxic?

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Actually curious

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Fumes?

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Yeah

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Fumes from what.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

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What fumes

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Like, a burnt capacitor.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Particulates lol

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Nah

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

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There's really only dust, the parts themselves don't degrade to the point of releasing particles.

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And if they do, it's often self-contained.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

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You’re likely to die from something else first before anything in your PC decides to yeet toxic fumes

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Don't take close sniffs of burnt electronics, though, if you can avoid it.

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Mmm the smell of lithium burning

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:10 AM

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That's the only fumes that'd be toxic.

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Magnetic radiance, whilst not strong enough to cause issues due to isolation, is probably also somehow possible.

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Don't mount the motherboard, openly, literally next to your head.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Solid advice 😊

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Do crt monitors give people cancer? xD

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

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No.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Good to know :)

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 11:20 AM

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touching a wi-fi cable does though, be very careful during installation..

bitter dragon Dec 11, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Please do not touch wi-fi cables.

pale arrow Dec 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Why?

bitter dragon Dec 11, 2019, 11:26 AM

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They could cause incontrollable pidgeonism.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Why shouldn't I touch the wifi cable lol

urban gulch Dec 11, 2019, 12:34 PM

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you touch it, you blow it

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also, what's a "wifi cable", i hope you mean lan cable, lol

you can touch it all you want, nothing happens, trust me, lol

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exept the cable is broken 🤷‍♂️

bitter dragon Dec 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

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No. Those are different.

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The wifi cable is the one that gets you your wireless signal. Its very, very tiny so that is why its called wireless.

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Because you can't see it.

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Uwu

echo sluice Dec 11, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Is my pc enough for GTFO?

mystic pasture Dec 11, 2019, 2:56 PM

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what kind of PC do you have?

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I say yes

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also check out #system-specs . cheers

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 2:59 PM

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scrolls up, sees "wi-fi cables".. busts a gut Okay that was genuinely funny 10/10

urban gulch Dec 11, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@echo sluice We did answer you before.

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 3:27 PM

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It's still good.. I just.. take a long time to load that's all.

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random heath Dec 11, 2019, 3:28 PM

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When the caps light is on. caps is off. but when the light is off the caps is on what_sip anyone know how to fix. I unplugged my Keyboard and plugged it back in :/

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Doesn't matter... It fixed itself...

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 3:44 PM

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keyboards also celebrate "opposite day"? If so, tell your keyboard that date is on January 25th

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 4:38 PM

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did you make sure shift isn't stuck lol

sick reef Dec 11, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Could simply be a setting.

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Oh wait

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Fug

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 4:39 PM

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i bet it was the shift key

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Sticky keys are a menace

abstract kite Dec 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Yep

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I turn mine off

next swift Dec 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@spiral patio What site is that?

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@spiral patio long loading times are mainly caused by bad / old SATA interface drivers or no SSD installed

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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It's not. It's AMD's Radeon settings. And yeah. That too. I was just musing that I've got a fairly powerful GPU and a potato CPU. it slows things down a bit

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:17 PM

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hm... im still running an i7 2nd Gen - so i will definatly be able to play CP2077 on it for sure - but on the other side yours is not an K Model so its kinda OKAY to replace it with the i7 3rd Gen its absolutly worth

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i5 and i7 differences u know ?

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yeah. Eventually I'll get around to upgrading. but honestly at this point in the lifecycle I'd probably be better off getting a new Mobo that can support the shinier stuff that's coming along.

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:18 PM

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i got my i7 2nd Gen for cheap - less than 30 € second hand

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Game still runs fine though.

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:18 PM

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don't buy a 3rd gen intel cpu in 2019

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or any CPU that supports ddr3

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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and if its for less than 30 bucks ?

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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it wont be trust me

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I mean if I can get it for pocket money sure I'll give it a shot, or reclaim it from someone else replacing their system. but yeah I'm not gonna go out of my way getting a new CPU for this system

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honestly I'm really pleased with this build. It's lasted a hell of a long time.

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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thats for sure but on Pocket Money there is no pain to do so

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my system here runs now since 10 Yrs

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and yeah it reaches a limit slowly but its still superb fine

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even StarCitizen is working on a decent performance

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:21 PM

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there was no i7 in 2009

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:21 PM

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oh noo? sure ? well then its 9 yrs and a half

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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you bought for 30bucks a intel second gen CPU in 2010

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doesnt add up

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Nnng. emotional crit. I want to love star citizen. Specifically squadron42 because I grew up on wing commander. but I've been unimpressed with Chris Roberts' management of the project and it's really souring it all for me.

idle orbit Dec 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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and to be honest i started my system with the i5 2nd Gen

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and the 30 Bucks deal was last year i never mentioned i bought it that cheap 10 yrs ago

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well the last couple updates they had - improved a lot in SC - i had not the chance to check it out recently due lack of time but im ecxited to be able to find time in January

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Star citizen lel

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When is that dumpster fire of a game going to fly

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I quickly want to highlight why your recommendation going from a 2nd gen Intel CPU to a 3rd gen Intel CPU is bad:

The IPC (Instructions per Cicle) is minimally faster
Tons of heat problems with the 3rd Gen
Most important: The chipset has to be replaced as well which means you need to buy a new mobo. Not worth at all

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Additionally

Yes an i7 can be faster than i5 but it depends a lot on the application you are using. Hyperthreading is nice but not for all apps suited. The larger L2 / L3 cache is nice but usually doesn't give a big jump in performance

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 5:32 PM

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How old are 2nd gen cpus

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That sounds ancient

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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2011 they have been released

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I have some old Core 2 Quad running as server to this day

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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What is current gen?

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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every day since 2008

fickle shuttle Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Like 10th now?

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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i think so yes

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but that doesn't really matter much

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or tells much

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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It's 10th 'gen' but the IPC hasn't changed at all since 6th gen. It's all skylake with additional polish on top

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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^

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:47 PM

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finally with competition this won't happen again

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reselling products under new names 😛

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Ryzen 3rd gen is amazing

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I wish I can switch. But i'll wait

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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people complain about the clocks but literally that's what happens when your node is shrunken lol

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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plus more threads also doesn't make it easy to achieve higher frequencies

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but seriously, frequencies tell nothing

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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yep

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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they did for some time cause of Intel and no changes

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:48 PM

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15% ipc increase alone makes a huge difference

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better use of the infinity fabric to support higher frequency ram

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Even tho we have going to have amazing hardware, I am still very pessimistic about software

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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IPC > GHz IMO.

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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in regards of using more threads

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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that alone is the only reason i haven't gotten a 5700xt

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Also, Ryzen 3000 supports crazy fast RAM, but you'll have to de-couple the IF

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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their drivers are questionable and nvidia has more support + software

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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was always happy with amd gpu drivers

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since the 5870 I am only using AMD

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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i've seen some complaints

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due to inconstistency

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Considering what I've experienced and what I've seen Nvidia owners complain about, it's just about equal, really.

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:51 PM

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the driver itself is a piece of garbage that got recently better

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at least you don't need to sign up on AMD to get all features

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Though, apparently the image with AMD is 'sharper' or 'crisper' or something? I've heard many talk about it, but I haven't seen A/B comparisons.

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:51 PM

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i heard you have to have an account for shadowplay lol

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:51 PM

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well nvidia has all around better developer support since most game devs optimize their games around nvidia gpu's, but yes sometimes nvidia drivers cause a lot of issues

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i use shadowplay constantly

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:52 PM

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They optimize for nvidia because nvidia has enough money to send out engineers to help because stupid people keep buying nvidia every time they increase their price for the same tier of HW...

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Nvidia had some of the worst drivers during the vista era, part of the reason that vista would crash was because of their drivers

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:52 PM

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ah, never got to experience that

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that or i was too young to pay attention lol

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 5:53 PM

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if game devs would do a proper job, we wouldn't need constant driver updates :p

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:54 PM

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erm

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I don't think blaming game-devs is fair; blame the publisher that doesn't want to pay for enough people to do the work in the time they demand. No dev wants to ship a broken product, but if it's between that, and no job, well...

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:58 PM

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yeah..drivers are to help game engines and other software better utilize the hardware at hand, the game devs are only responsible for optimizing their game to be less of a resource hog

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 5:59 PM

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It also doesn't help that Nvidia tries to bully the market with their proprietary nonsense. Real talk the reason why there's those nvidia splash pages is so that people can play with the features like hair works or that hilarious tessalation fiasco during crysis 2 that absolutely /tanked/ your framerate if you weren't using nvidia.

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 5:59 PM

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RTX 2080ti Gaming X Ultra OC Super

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lolol

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:00 PM

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it's maybe harsh words but it's true for some titles if big or small

and devs in general can be happy releasing a product with it's minimal requirements goal.
not a software engineer myself but i often work closely with them

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:01 PM

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okay but optimization can take a shitload of time, devs aren't robots and it's not their fault a lot of people have crap potato's

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as long as it isn't running worse than it should be it's usually fine

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:01 PM

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then you can't lie about system requirements

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:01 PM

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you can't rely on system requirements either

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you ever see steam's

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:02 PM

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a dev sees the requirements as:
what is needed to start the open (open the .exe)

a customer sees the requirements as:
what do I need to achieve 30fps

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it's a problem that hopefully will be solved one day. it's very scammy to use the requirements needed to open a game

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and not what it actually needs to run at acceptable framerate (if 30 is acceptable even)

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:03 PM

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like i said though in a lot of cases system requirements are kind of a meme

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never rely on them

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:03 PM

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very generalized as well. like GTFO shows proper requirements for example (what is needed to enjoy the game)

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:03 PM

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minimum doesn't always mean min settings, it means what can run the game without crashing

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recommended is a different ball game

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:04 PM

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well you have to in some sort. I never was in the sitation of having a garbage computer but if I have to, then system requirements are kinda all you have as security

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that's what I mean voxel. I hope steam changes that at least

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:05 PM

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i had a complete craptop for a long time to game on, never once did i look to system requirements, i looked for benchmarks

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:06 PM

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features like hair works or that hilarious tessalation fiasco during crysis 2 that absolutely /tanked/ your framerate if you weren't using nvidia.

Correction, it always tanks performance, it's just that it might be 50% slower on Nvidia HW, and 80% slower on AMD. Yes, nvidia has intentionally made effects a lot slower than needed, hurting their own performance because it hurts AMD's performance more... Good news though, in AMD's driver, you can over-ride the max tessellation value, so you get 99% of the looks at 10% the performance in many cases. Last I checked, that's not an option for nvidia's drivers.

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:07 PM

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omg i heard about that recently coming up again

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nvidia holding back amd benchmarks and performance, and in the end it was considered "legal"

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:07 PM

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@brisk badger Important to mention that minimums does not spesify a resolution. Minimum means minimum. Not 1920x1080 medium. Try 1024x768 very low. Most people aren't willing to go that low.

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:08 PM

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this is what i was saying

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recommended is what you need to have a decent running game

spiral patio Dec 11, 2019, 6:08 PM

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But yeah, that's basically my point. Every time I see an Nvidia logo branded onto a game, my first thought it "oh boy how have they tried to fuck me over as an end user this time"

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:08 PM

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They all cheat, and have cheated in the past. However, Nvidia and intel has cheated a lot more. None is free of sin, but 10 murders doesn't equal 1000 murders either.

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:09 PM

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oh yeah intel has made themselves look super pathetic recently while they have been getting pounded by AMD

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:09 PM

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yup. I have there will be some standard rules about system requirements one day

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:10 PM

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We Are AcTuallY gOing To ReALeAse 3nm

brisk badger Dec 11, 2019, 6:10 PM

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good catch with resolution

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I don't think they said that, but they have been saying some stupid stuff

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:11 PM

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it was either 3 or 5 nm

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either way intel looks like a beaten puppy rn

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Tsmc is legit on path to finish 3nm by 2022 I think

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:12 PM

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hmm

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actually that would probably work very well for phones concerning battery life

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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And 5nm is apparently yielding better than 7nm starting out

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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really?

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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That's what I heard

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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i thought 7nm was around 50% yield or something

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Probably is right now

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I mean relative to when they started developing 7nm when yields were worse

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5nm is yielding better

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:14 PM

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i'm curious why

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i figured shrinking it more would cause even more problems

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Do note; the different company's 'nm' aren't equal. From what I gather, TSMC's 16nm was more or less equal Intel's 22nm, and their 7nm is better than intel 14nm, but not two generations better.

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nm is mostly a 'marketing term', sadly.

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Yeah it's approximations at best

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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yeah ik, but like all things companies round off numbers and other things to make them more appealing

vapid crypt Dec 11, 2019, 6:17 PM

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7 is closer to 10 whilst also being a more appealing number phaWesker

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:17 PM

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i can't remember what some of the real measurements were

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amd i think is a little guilty of this too

radiant garnet Dec 11, 2019, 6:18 PM

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No, it's not really a good approximation either; it's more like how other products use 2xxx, 3xxx, 4xxx etc to denote different generations. Except with semiconductors, less is better! :D

strong whale Dec 11, 2019, 6:18 PM

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0.0001 nm

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actually = 2nm

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NPCCyborgWheeze

tulip urchin Dec 11, 2019, 8:45 PM

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8-09+9+++

elder oar Dec 11, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Yo, there are 49 dogs signed up to compete in the dog show. There are 36 more small dogs than large dogs signed up to compete. How many small dogs are signed up to compete?

vague mauve Dec 11, 2019, 9:43 PM

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that would require a half dog somewhere right? x+(x+36)=49 which makes x = to 6.5

soft zodiac Dec 12, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Is there controller support for this game?

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 AM

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?t roadmap

rugged notchBOT Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 AM

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You can view the roadmap here: https://gtfothegame.com/roadmap/

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 12:43 AM

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If it isn’t in the roadmap, do it it’s as a suggestion

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 5:54 AM

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What the fug is that math, Pixeled.
(x+36)=49
(x+36)-36=(49)-36
x=49-36
x=13

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Hm

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Or wait, it's the formula, that I get choked up on. As the term more dogs is used.

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x+(x+36)=49

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Because I was blind and didn't see the first x.

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Apparently then it's acceptable to enter half a dog into a dog show.

pulsar frost Dec 12, 2019, 6:04 AM

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tbf Chihuahuas are half dog half satan

spiral patio Dec 12, 2019, 6:12 AM

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maybe one is pregnant

reef wedge Dec 12, 2019, 6:44 AM

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@soft zodiac try to create a set up with the steam controller support

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@sick reef can you solve (8)^(1/3)?

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Was a long time since I did this math.
Solving for it is something like third root.

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Yeah, wolfram alpha agrees. Third root of 8.

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Solving for it I can't remember fully though. It's a lot of moving about.

molten acorn Dec 12, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Tinycat

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Hi there

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 7:12 AM

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x=8^(1/3)

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Hm

molten acorn Dec 12, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Mhm

reef wedge Dec 12, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Wow lol its actually 2

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Okay, looking into it, I technically don't need to do more to solve it with a solution, but the proving of that it is a third root derives back to logarithms.
logₐ(N)=x -> N=aˣ
I don't fully remember though, in turning logarithms into square roots.

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As said, it was a long time since I did this math.

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As well as in math, solving for something, and finding the solution of, are generally two different things.

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At least when I did math

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But yeah, droni, you're welcome to look up what the third root of 8 is.

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Good news and bad news
Good news
I don't have a bad mount on my 3700X
Bad news
Ryzen is a fucking heater and peaks at 85C
There's hardly anything that's going to cause a full load on my PC, but thankfully I'm not hitting TJ Maxx

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So yea

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We're in business bois

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Isn't the performance of a ryzen 3 series highly dependant on low temperatures?

molten acorn Dec 12, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Yes

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 AM

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It's honestly depressing

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 AM

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What?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 AM

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but it is what it is

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 AM

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85 c?

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Dude i only 60 -70

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Use same 3700 x

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:36 AM

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What's your cooling

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Noctua nh u12 a

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Did you use AIDA64 when testing?

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That's basically pure fucking hell for your CPU

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Why

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Its make my procie cool

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I like it.

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I afraid using watercooling

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:39 AM

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That's fair. But seriously, use AIDA64 and stress test your processor

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Oke i try

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I just play bfv ultra . Max and rtx on

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Never toucy mor 75 c

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*touch

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:39 AM

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That's no where near a full 100% load on your CPU

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:40 AM

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What is ur vga?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:40 AM

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GTX 1070.

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BFV is more GPU dependent than CPU

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:42 AM

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I see

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I use rtx 2060 super

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Wanna try metro exodus soon 😂

molten acorn Dec 12, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I would play Exodus but that requires Epic Launcher

dusty pumice Dec 12, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I believe exodus is coming to steam soon

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Not sure tho

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I played Exodus for 1 euro on windows xbox app lmfao

main flint Dec 12, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Same

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@abstract kite if the CPU was colder under full load, that could mean there was more performance available with more speed. How's your CPU performing compared to other 3700x's?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 AM

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@radiant garnet In what regard? As in CPUBenchmark? I havent tested that yet... Doing so now. I hit boost clock just fine when I’m not on full load. Full load I get around 4Ghz because all cores are being utilized at that point.

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Then it sounds like it's working as it should..?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Ive undervolted it too

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Thats helped knock 1-2C off along with better thermal compound

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Ryzen is kinda finicky lol

cedar kiln Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

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70 need 2 more man

dusty pumice Dec 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

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@cedar kiln this is no looking for group chat

cedar kiln Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 AM

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sorry

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Wow. My entire PC didnt do so well on this benchmark. Ram is running slower speeds, havent enabled XMP yet. My 1070 is, well, old and not running that great. Somehow my SSD is slower than average?

My 3700X tho is apparently one of the faster ones.

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Ironic

dusty pumice Dec 12, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Great succes

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Might have to download a newer version of EVGA Precision

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Or my thermal paste could be going bad on my 1070. Ive run it hard for 4 years

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As far as the SSD goes I have no idea why thats “underperforming”

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Same goes for the HDD

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Theyre not overheating

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sick reef Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Usually that's temp just being high

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Is 30C high for storage drives?

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I have no real clue

warped hedge Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Bear go to bed lamo

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:54 AM

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The paranoia @warped hedge

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You need to go to bed too

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fuckn 6am over there

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@abstract kite most SSDs perform better the more empty they are. Is you SSD partially full?

brisk badger Dec 12, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Asuming TRIM oes not exist on your OS

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 12:50 PM

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No, even with trim; less free space means smaller SLC cache, hence lower performance. Even good SSDs will perform better with, say, 25% of the capacity unformated to help performance. Less these days with newer SSDs, but still.

ionic osprey Dec 12, 2019, 2:30 PM

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as long as those storage drives dont click like a Compaq Deskpro from the 90's yer gucci

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@radiant garnet I’ve used a majority of the space lol. Probably have about 120gb available.

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@abstract kite Then that might be why your drive is performing 'below average'. I imagine people submitting results do that after getting a part, and before filling it to the brim with things they'll totally use, and sort, tomorrow, or the day after that at the latest!

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 4:18 PM

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I need to grab a hard drive to offload some stuff off of my ssd tbh

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Considser grabbing an (additional) HDD! They're cheap now if you need 4-8TB or so

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I was planning just to grab a 2tb Seagate, I don't think I need too much space tbh

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But yeah good idea for backing up stuff

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 5:01 PM

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A 4TB might be marginally more expensive

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https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=ppgb&page=1
Sorted by price/GB. Cheapest 4TB drive is under $70

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I'll consider that for a backup or files I don't refer to often

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Would a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300HQ Work good?

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 6:35 PM

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That looks like a laptop part.
Do you also have a GPU with that?

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Also, you only really need the 'Intel 7300HQ' part. Everything else is marketing and doesn't mean anything :3

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Someone mentioned having the same cpu, it is a laptop

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Paired with a 1050

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Might be the same in this case

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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I guess the game will run fine then

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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The base clock is 2.5ghz and they were getting about 30fps

radiant garnet Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Settings and resolution?

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 6:52 PM

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1080 low, I think they said it only went up to around 40 at 720

strong whale Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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on a 1050?

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yeah, in a laptop to be fair. Thermals are gonna play a decent role

strong whale Dec 12, 2019, 6:55 PM

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very true

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probably a nitro 5 or something

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:16 PM

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'Paired with a 1050' wdym by that i aint really a Component expert

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:17 PM

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A GTX 1050, that's the GPU well tbh I don't know if that's what you have. But its what the other guy had

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:17 PM

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How do i check?

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Are you using Windows 10?

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Yue

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s

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Open up settings, its the Cog in the start menu

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Oh wait its not in there phaSheva

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Well okay likely if you were to right click on your desktop you would have an nvidia option there

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I am on laptop

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I understand, by desktop I mean where your program shortcuts and wallpaper is you know

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Ok boss

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I opened it

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Geforce GTX 1050

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Okay, yeah I guess expect similar performance like I mentioned earlier. Someone with the same specs got 30fps at 1080 low and around 40 at 720

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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But its playable?

brisk badger Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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pro tip: You can buy the game and return if it doesn't run

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I mean that's up to you

indigo valve Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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True

brisk badger Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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check #system-specs for system specs

crimson dock Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Recommended:
OS: Windows 10 64-Bit
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K or AMD equivalent
RAM: 16GB
HDD: 4 GB download, 10-15 GB unpacked
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 or AMD equivalent.
DirectX: Version 11.0 compatible video card
Network: Broadband Internet connection

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 7:27 PM

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30fps is usually console experience, which I mean I'm alright with if the game is good you know

crimson dock Dec 12, 2019, 7:28 PM

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should be able to play it

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 8:48 PM

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hi, haben 2 deutsche lust B1 mit uns zu spielen ?

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 8:49 PM

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?t lfg

rugged notchBOT Dec 12, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Please keep LFG related messages in the LFG channels #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania . If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here #how-to-matchmake

strong whale Dec 12, 2019, 9:17 PM

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this channel should be renamed "computers and hardware" so people stop asking completely unrelated things here

stiff rock Dec 12, 2019, 9:33 PM

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what should i set "CPU CULLING WORKLOAD" at for better fps? never saw such setting before

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:35 PM

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@stiff rock medium or high can work if you have a good cpu

stiff rock Dec 12, 2019, 9:35 PM

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allright thanks

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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My motherboard wont fucking overclock my ram for some fucking reason

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but this is what we're doing with the CPU

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AIDA64 is kinda wack with CPU temps

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so I have two other pieces of software monitoring it for me as well

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and I have good news

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we're not getting past 84 on average

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and I have good news

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we're not getting past 84 on average so that's really good

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Ram support can be kind of shitty depending on the motherboard

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I have an X570 Aorus Master, I doubt it has ram issues.

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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You gotta look at the manufacturer qvl

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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"Just enable XMP they said. It'll be fun they said"

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Might have to manually finagle it

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Well what ram do you have?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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G Skill Trident Z Neo

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Good for 3600mhz

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its still running at 2133 according to task manager

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:57 PM

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What's the part number for the ram?

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It would be on the barcode I think on the packaging

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Yeah it’s on barcode

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Something like F4-3600 etc etc

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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You can take the casing off it, and find a small sticker on the side with barcode and all that

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Its the only way to confirm if its listed on the manufacturer's QVL

ivory comet Dec 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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When I built my ryzen machine I had to manually set my ram at 3000 mhz in bios

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And xmp was already enabled, using strix b450 f

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I have a 3k kit too, but the motherboard I have doesn't support past 2933... so I'm like okay phaWesker

ivory comet Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Lmaooo

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Its fine cause I just got the Cas latency down to 14

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Well specifically with this ram I guess, if it were better ram it would work phaRage

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Just checked

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its C16 3600

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

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That's the Latency and Speed but not the part number

ivory comet Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Isnt the part number on the sticker on the ram stick

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Its typically also a sticker on the packaging

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Yeah

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But if you oofed the packaging, you got RAM

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Looking at my ram there's a sticker on one side of the heatsink with that information

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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I have the packaging

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Give me a sec

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sooooo

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Yes?

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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this?

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fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Yeah

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:42 PM

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32gb 3200mhz cas 14. best sweetspot

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I could only get cas 16 though 🙃

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Im still tryna get this workin

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Went for 2x8GB 3600C16

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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but gigabyte bioses are shite, regardless if they have the best vrms etc

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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mmLul

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abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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good its about the same anyway anyone in their right mind should go for cas16 as its way cheaper

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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3600C16 is cheaper than 3200C14 so yeah better to go for the former

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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i paid 450 euro for this ram

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couldve paid HALF

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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90E + 15E shipping for the 16gb

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

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if you got money cas 14 is worth it for mininum.and avarage framerates

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thats only showing 1800mhz @north bronze or am I reading that wrong

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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double it

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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i like good frametimings so yeah invest in best of best ram you can afford

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Fair

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working out for me tbh

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i cant remember what my ram was at lol

north bronze Dec 12, 2019, 10:45 PM

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you do need XMP for 3600 but tbh who cares, works gr8

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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XMP is fine.

fleet canopy Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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I’m pretty sure it’s like 3200CAS14 is much better than 3600CAS16 from what I’ve heard

abstract kite Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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most people should 100% stay with xmp profiles

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if they dont work, update/fix ur bios

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I manually overclocked my old ram

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but xmp is what got me buying the gskill

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well if you get cas 14 ram and a good kit you automaticly are going to get a ram that is a good overclocker

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cos they already a more cherry pick stick for that speeds.

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overclocking ram manually is really hard and difficult and not recommended unless you are someone who knows what they are doing

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you can mess with voltages and speeds and leave timings alone if you cant get xmp to work. is ur best shot m8

vapid crypt Dec 12, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@abstract kite That ram is not on the Aorus Master QVL list

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Check for yourself https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_x570-aorus-master_matisse_190812.pdf

radiant garnet Dec 13, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Speaking of CAS and MHz, the thing that really matters is true latency vs bandwidth.
Take (2/GHz) * CAS and you get the latency, in nano-seconds. Less is better
MHz is raw bandwidth, more is better.
CAS is latency in clock cycles.
For a quick and dirty estimate, take MHz / CAS. This gives you the 'latency performance' number that's arbitrary. Higher is better, aim for 200 or more. 250 is about the best money can buy.
3200MHz CAS14 is exactly the same latency as 3600MHz CAS16,

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When comparing kits, if the latency is the same, but the bandwidth is higher, that's better. If bandwidth is the same, but latency is lower, that's better.
If neither is different, use the 'latency performance' to compare. MHz / CL, more is better. If latency is within 10, but there's a difference in bandwidth, go for bandwidth. In most applications, that'll make the bigger difference.

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Oh, and do make sure to run the infinity fabric at 1800MHz, unless RAM is 133MHz away or less. That's the 'real clock' not effective speed; 3200MHz RAM is 1600MHz real clock with double-data-rate, DDR

abstract kite Dec 13, 2019, 4:07 AM

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@vapid crypt So I'll need to manually overclock it right?

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Changed the multiplier to 36 and turned off XMP

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Still nothing lmao

white abyss Dec 13, 2019, 4:23 AM

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ok so i need to know something... i live in Iran located in middle east and my internet is restricted. so i want to make sure if i can play this game with a playable ping and without using a 'vpn' connection (because some games are blocked for me and i have to use vpn connection). can someone help me to find out?

vapid crypt Dec 13, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Yeah it seems the ram just doesn't work with that board ReversedConfusedUlf

abstract kite Dec 13, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Thats bullshit

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So, no matter what I do, I can't get this ram to be running faster?

vapid crypt Dec 13, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Likely faster than 2133 but I dunno

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That's literally any speed

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Strange phaSheva

abstract kite Dec 13, 2019, 4:57 AM

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I'm not even sure what I should adjust in the BIOS to even attempt to get this running at 3600mhz outside of changing the clock speed.

vapid crypt Dec 13, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Try setting XMP and lowering the clocks

abstract kite Dec 13, 2019, 4:59 AM

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XMP automatically wants it to be at 3600 CL16-18-18-32-48 iirc or something like that

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But then we boot into windows, and it doesnt work.

vapid crypt Dec 13, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Just out of curiosity, the sticks are occupying slots 2 and 4 correct?

abstract kite Dec 13, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Yup

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Wait

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1 and 3

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Theyre still paired

vapid crypt Dec 13, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Check your motherboard instructions

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Cause most modern motherboards use 2 and 4 for just one dual channel kit