#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 41

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Why is the first thing on the Amazon shopping list an RTX titan when I search up RTX?

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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They want your wallet.

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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unless the 2070S is like 350 dollars, don’t buy

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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RTX 2070 is selling for 480$ atm

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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What country?

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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yeah

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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East US

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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needs a 100 offf or it’s a waste of cash

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 AM

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What budget?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Hoping for 500$ or greatly hoping less

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1080, 1080 TI or 2070/Super

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No refurbish either

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:09 AM

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2070s has to be cheaper than a power colour 5700xt or it’s a waste of money

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Power Colour 5700XT?

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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yeah

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it’s the best iirc

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I'mma just assume 440$ lol

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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yeah either way

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gotta be cheaper than that

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Okay. So you want a 2070 super for 500?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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No

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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^ objectively a bad price

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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450$ or less

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As priced as the 5700 XT

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Do you have prime?

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Or do I need to include shipping?

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I’m arguing that the 2070S has to be less than 450 otherwise it’s a waste of money compared to the 5700XT, which has equal or better performance

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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My dad has prime kek

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Yeah

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_o.l2DbWQQM5A7

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my dad ^

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Lovely

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How priced are

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2080 right now?

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Like 700$?

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I forgot their price

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What about a 1070 Ti?

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Oh shit

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I think I'm lucky

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1080 Ti for 690$

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:15 AM

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lmao

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Used, says it's not too bad

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Think I should get it?

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The one that says "Like brand new" is like 750$ or something

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:18 AM

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The RTX 2070 super is slightly better than the 5700 xt.... but not by much. If that doesn't matter, go with the 5700xt.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Anything is better than a 1060 3GB

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Okay. You can get... hang on. Lemme get a link.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I haven't seen another 1080 Ti priced at a great price since the 440$ 1080 Ti

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It was refurbished though

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There's also a 1080 at 480$ if that's a better option

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:21 AM

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ASUS ROG Strix AMD Radeon RX 5700XT Overclocked 8G GDDR6 HDMI DisplayPort Gaming Graphics Card (ROG-STRIX-RX5700XT-O8G-GAMING) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X7KNBMK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_3gm2DbDF3H654

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459.99

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:22 AM

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There's also the Sapphire Nitro Plus for same price

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Shouldn't have the overheating that the MSI runs at.

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Check your reviews too.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Amazon has reviews?

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Oh it's just 500 miles down there

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Yeah. Also, just google reviews for it for professional ones.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-5700-xt-strix-oc/

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They aren't the best review but aren't bad.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Well a 5700 XT performs much better than a 1080 for some reason

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GWworkshopAkaShrug

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 5:26 AM

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But by how much? thonkbutcool

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Yeah 1080 is ancient enough for a 5700 XT to surpass

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 5:26 AM

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im still rocking a 1080ti Smile

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:26 AM

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They're like

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low as 23FPS difference in somewhat demanding ( Fortnite ) to high 61 FPS apart in less demanding games ( CSGO )

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 5:27 AM

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then its not that big of a deal, lulWut

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Gpu's havent doing giant leaps lately anyhow, if you have a 1080 or a 1080ti, as a example and going to rtx its just a tiniest performence bump,

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:28 AM

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I guess so

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But RTX

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 5:29 AM

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im getting one for sure before cyberpunk is out kappapride got to see keanu in the higest of defintions

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Hah

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:31 AM

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I am running with a 3700x & 2070 super. Only because it was a steal for all the stuff I needed.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:31 AM

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kek

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Well I'll just have to stick to 450$ and lower

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:32 AM

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That 5700xt isn't bad.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Yeah

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I'll just sell the 1060 3GB I got, hope it gets priced at a good price maybe 100$ since I saw from one sale

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Some are 50$, some are 100$

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wut

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I might as well sell for 80$

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Yeah
It's pretty random. A lot of sellers haven't updated their SKUs yet with the new rtx line and super lines out.

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Ask $95 if you want 80

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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That'd make the Sapphire Nitro+ a 370$ GPU for me

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Look at prices of 1660 and 1660 super. Its painful.

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Harold you buying AMD?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Yes

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1660 Ti for 65$

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Whaaaaat a ste-

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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do it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Also 450$ or less

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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It's worth it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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lol I don't trust it

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Seems waaaaaay to cheap to be real

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Tbh yea

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If its like wish lmao

vapid crypt Nov 23, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Its totally not a 640gt flashed to be a 1660ti and a couple extra memory modules soldered to the back of the board phaWesker

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:38 AM

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If you're buying an AMD GPU Harold. Do not use any brand other than Sapphire.

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They know their shit

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:38 AM

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kek

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Sapphire Nitro+ then

vapid crypt Nov 23, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Also I will vouch for Sapphire as that's what I have

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And its all I know

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Pluuus

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a new CPU cooler

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Definitely a DRP4

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Will need to OC my 7700K, also great use for reuse

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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What are you currently using @fleet canopy

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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1060 3GB

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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for cpu cooler

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I mean

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Oh

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Hyper Evo 212

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But it's not the best for overclocking as I've heard

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Do you want to stay air or go AIO

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Air

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Don't want a leak

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I know it wouldn't

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But I honestly don't want to use water cooling

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro or Noctua NH-D15 Chromax

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Either of those

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will be 100% sufficient

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Yeah I have DRP4 picked

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Nice

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Get some good ass thermal paste too

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Grizzly Cryonaut

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Ah yes

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Uhh

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Sure it wouldn't be one of those Artic Silver thing

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?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 5:59 AM

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That works too

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Their both great quality

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I just use Grizzly

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https://www.newegg.com/arctic-silver-as5-3-5g/p/N82E16835100007?Description=arctic silver&cm_re=arctic_silver-_-35-100-007-_-Product

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This is perfect

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Hm

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What is the price even

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It says 5.99$ is taken off

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Weird

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:01 AM

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$5.49

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50 cents

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dm me yo zip

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:01 AM

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6.15$, god damn is Amazon making everything expensive /s

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And zip for?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:01 AM

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newegg

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going to check tax

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Texas is 8.25% but idk where you are so tax will be different

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Connecticut

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Do you have both state and federal tax?

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Cause that's going to make a difference

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I don't think there's federal tax

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Texas doesnt have state tax

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Federal and State tax, but seems for income bleh

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 AM

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So all we pay is federal tax

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 AM

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How much of a difference does it make anyway?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:05 AM

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It adds up, my new PC is going to have $130 in taxes I'm going to have to pay

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:05 AM

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.>

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:05 AM

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But for the thermal paste

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You're looking at roughly $5.84

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Eh

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Connecticut tax (from what I can see) is 6.35%

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not bad

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cheaper than texas

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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GWworkshopAkaShrug

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 AM

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So yea, $5.49 x 1.0635

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and thats your total

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You might have to pay shipping too though

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Free shipping on Amazon

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Not sure about Newegg yet

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0.71$

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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HOLY FUK

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Well when the shipping's free, get it!

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Newegg wants $5 for shipping

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Amazon is cheaper

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Damn son

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Do amazon

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Yes

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555.05$ for all I need

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Newegg also has a black friday presale

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:11 AM

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Sweeeeeeeeeeet

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Damn its almost $555.55

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that woulda been a sick ass number

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buy something else to make it that 😛

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Hah

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From buying the 5700 XT on newegg, a choice on Borderlands 3 or Ghost Recon breakpoint

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And xbox game pass

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Expires June 30, 2020

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Alright

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555.05$ on Amazon, 545.38$ on Newegg

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Do you get more benefits on amazon?

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Wait never mind I misread that

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Go with the cheaper option if you get the same items for less

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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kek

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I don't really care for either

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Not too much difference

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:20 AM

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That's $10 to go toward GTFO 😉

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or supporting the devs 😉 😉 😉

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Easy buy if I went for a 5700 😉

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But it's

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Isn't a 2060 Super and 1060 the same perf?

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Or is it like 30-50% better?

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Should be better

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Approximately a 42% increase with the 2060

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Yeah

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Thats only about 7% better than my 1070 lmao

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but cheaper

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 AM

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2060 Super does a small bit better than 5700

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Hm

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For what seems to be 30$ more

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Do you want my honest opinion?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Course

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I'd go with the 2060 Super. Solely for the fact that Nvidia drivers are (imo) simpler. I'm all for team red but team green still has the better buy in the higher end GPU department.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 AM

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That's true

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Its literally just a single button and boom you're updating

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Hm

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For driver updates?

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Oh yeah

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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thats what i'm goin for

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Unless you're doing a lot of open source work, the 2060S would be better.

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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team red for cpu/motherboard, team green for gpu

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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^ Dad knows what I'm talking about

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up top 👏

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

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yeee

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i'm gonna snag a 2060 super (2070 if cyber monday is kind) and i'm running ryzen 5 and a b450 aorus

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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If you decide on going with a 2060 Harold, get an EVGA one.

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Hands fucking down they make the best.

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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i haven't upgraded my gpu since 2014 and i only have a 970 in there right now

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Hopefully I'll get myself a 2070 or someting

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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i heard good things about msi, but evga has some pretty decent damn prices

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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EVGA for Nvidia, Sapphire for AMD. That's my religion.

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I've never been let down by my card.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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MSI 1080 Ti is a lot cheaper than an EVGA 1080 Ti I believe

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For a good used card

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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For a reason too

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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are you using a 2060 bearz?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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1070

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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I saw one for 640$ I think

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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gotcha

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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EVGA 1070 FTW

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Fucking neat compared to ass 1000$~ price

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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1070 is still a decent damn buy these days

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especially since they added rays to gtx series

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Yea. I'm waiting for Nvidia to drop the Ampere cards next year and I'll upgrade then

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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oh damn that's next year?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Going 7nm is going to be insane for them

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Yea it is

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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oof

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i have a buddy waiting for the same thing

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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AMD supposedly has an "NVIDIA killer"

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I'd wait for that

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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i'm impatient tho, and literally anything above the 900 series is an upgrade lol

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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They've had an "NVIDIA killer" for the past two generations

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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Well

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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i'm gonna guess amd is gonna announce a similar release date to ampere

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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It's never turned out to be what they expect

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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they like doing that

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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The 5700 XT has been great so far

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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But in the high end

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Nvidia still reigns

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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NoVideo wins on that

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Yes

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 AM

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Ampere is supposed to be dropping 1H of next year

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I'm expecting it to be 2Q tho

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around June-July

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Also

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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yeah

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june is a pretty standard release month

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Since when did Minecraft become a benchmark?

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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at least from the tiny bit of shit i know about companies lol

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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When ray tracing was added :^)

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Of course

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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well with modding, you can get minecraft fuckin beefy

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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But why

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Yeah

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That's true

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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honestly i like the aesthetic of minecraft with ray tracing

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Minecraft can break nasa computers with mods and shading lmao

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Looks too damn real

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Minecraft with shaders is bliss

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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the main reason i want a new gpu is lighting

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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absolute bliss

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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i prefer lighting over basic textures by far

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Wait till next gen if you really want to use good lighting

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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but a 5 year old 970 that's been used every day damn near

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Currently its
RTX On
FPS Off

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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i can't afford looking at pretty lights

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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.>

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Wanna know the best ray tracing?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Oh shiz youre on a 970

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Real Life

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It's so fucking realistic

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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yeah but like

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tons of bugs]

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Real life!

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Has bugs?

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Hm

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Ikr? I can touch things and I get responsive feedback

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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and you can't water cool outside

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I guess so

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But we can use snow to cool

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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at this point, earth is just gonna be water heated instead

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I just havent been able to change my field of view yet

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Needs an update for more options

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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i heard if you cut a little bit of your sclera out you can max fov

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Well

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Oh shit nice

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Character creation was meh too

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I'm gonna hope for a 1080, 1080 Ti or a 2070/Siuper

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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We didnt have a choice

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Those are good bets Harod

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Actually is super even a good point>

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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you can also download the program LSD or MDMA for funky textures and lighting

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Yes

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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2070 is just good anyways

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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oh yeah

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super has a much better bang for your buck than standard

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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4% speed increase

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Hm

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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i think on the 2060 there's like a good 30% increase in benchmarks

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for like 40 or 50 bucks more

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Those two vary from a literal hundred though

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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You're forgetting about this

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📎 unknown.png

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This is pretty important to look at

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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True

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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15% and 17% better at lighting effects

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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But still

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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If you can get it for the same price as a 2070

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do it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:39 AM

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I honestly believe Black Friday won't have Super or 5700/XT for sale

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Nor even the Ryzen 3000 series

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They're too recent

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Yea thats why I'm buying my stuff either tomorrow or soon

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Eh

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I still have to buy my other parts

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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i'm gonna be out of state all of next week

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so i'm just gonna wait til cyber monday

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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CPU cooler and thermal paste

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Cyber monday will have better results for electronics

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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CPU cooler is 90$

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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at least thats been in the past for me

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The cooler might go down $15

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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If I am lucky, my 1060 3GB can sell for close to 100$

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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i'm just hoping for a card below 400

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Oh yeah

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That's old too

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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i'm keeping my old 970 to make a small intro build for my cousin

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Harold try and sell it for $95 OBO

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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OBO?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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when someone lowballs you at $75 you can probs bring em up to $80

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Or best offer

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OBO

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Gets people to inquire

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Sell it for more than you want

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so you end up getting what you want or very close to it lol

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:43 AM

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So sell it at 80$ or more basically?

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Maybe I should sell my monitor as well kek

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Bought for 200$, can sell for 150$ or maybe more and get a 1080p 144hz

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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If you want 80 sell for 95

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Whats your current refresh rate

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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1440p 60Hz

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yay

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Do you play games competitively?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Because 1440p 144hz is god damn expensive!

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And uhh

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I play R6S a good amount

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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O shit me too

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Well then yea go with the 144hz monitor

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Also it'd look sweet as fuck looking at smooth movements

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Like holy shit

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Tbh the biggest jump really is 60-100

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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I don't care if it's 1080p or 1440p

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I just want the fluid movements

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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100-144 isnt noticeable for me, but everyone's different

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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I guess I could get a 120Hz

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It's not too bad either

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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If its cheaper its perfectly fine

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Just use a DP cable to make use of it

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HDMI can only handle 60hz

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Let's see

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1080p 144hz with 150$

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Oh fuck yeah

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:50 AM

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You gotta look at more than that

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what's the panel type

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Va

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Damn bruh

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It's a jackpot

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Whats the color balance

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fuck just send me a link

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:50 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/AOC-C24G1-Frameless-DisplayPort-Adjustable/dp/B07GD7H18F/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=1080p+144hz&qid=1574491773&sr=8-2

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:51 AM

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oh aoc EW

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Free shipping

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:(

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Brand shouldn't even matter lmao

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Its a cheap panel yea but color reproduction on those suck ass

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Hm

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Your choice would be

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I'm gonna bet it's MSI and/or ViewSonic

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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No to both

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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GWworkshopAkaShrug I tried

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Oh yeah

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time to die

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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Aorus, Asus, or Samsung

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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I'm supposed to leave at 4 AM to help my dad but oh well

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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...

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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2 hours till hell

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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After looking up the specs on the C24G1

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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But I don't give a shit, do I?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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its acceptable

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The panel on it is able to produce 99% sRGB, which is honestly too low for a QD-treated VA panel.

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but

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99% SRGB is alright

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:54 AM

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Yeah brand doesn't matter at all

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Just the specs they got

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

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99% sRGB, which is honestly too low for a QD-treated VA panel.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-XL2411-Equalizer-Vibrance-Competitive/dp/B01H5KKQTM/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=1080p+144hz&qid=1574492106&refinements=p_n_feature_thirteen_browse-bin%3A17751777011%2Cp_n_feature_fourteen_browse-bin%3A17751792011%2Cp_n_feature_eleven_browse-bin%3A17726576011|17726577011%2Cp_n_feature_twelve_browse-bin%3A17726584011%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547806011&rnid=2633086011&s=pc&sr=1-2

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This monitor looks like it was made in 2005

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

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oh god it burns

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Burns?

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Fire

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So HDMI can only handle HDMI in what way?

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 6:59 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYHZ6R6?tag=monitorfan-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 take a look at this

HDMI sends both audio and video to a monitor, so it's refresh rate is limited. Display Port send solely video, so you can have higher refresh rates.

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The Acer actually has G-sync

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and the color reproduction isnt bad

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:00 AM

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I saw that monitor 500x already lol

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It should be neat

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:01 AM

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The XFA240 hits 100% sRGB volume almost perfectly.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:01 AM

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It's a TN panel though

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

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I use a TN and mine has good color reproduction

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Its not as bad as you think

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

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I'm always told VA would be much better than TN

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:03 AM

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VA panels are the compromise panel. They offer accurate colors and wide viewing angles, almost comparable to IPS panels. Their response time is a little slower than that of TN panels.

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Getting a good TN panel for competitive gaming is, imo, the better bet.

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I'm not trying to dissuade you. If you really want the AOC go for it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 AM

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I'm gonna go for XFA240 anyways

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Aight

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 AM

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I've seen it many times, and many times, I picked it

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 AM

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If you're comfortable with it then that's all that matters. I was just trying to bring more things to the table lol

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 AM

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kek

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ASUS ROG Strix

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Monitor

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:06 AM

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lmaoooooooooooooooo

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:06 AM

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I have never thought there was a monitor of that

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https://www.amazon.com/Adjustable-Function-Industry-warranty-XG27VQ/dp/B074PJJWHB/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=1080p+144hz&qid=1574492682&refinements=p_n_feature_eleven_browse-bin%3A17726576011|17726577011%2Cp_n_feature_thirteen_browse-bin%3A17751777011%2Cp_n_feature_fourteen_browse-bin%3A17751792011&rnid=17751784011&s=pc&sr=1-11

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Too damn overpriced

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Heres what you're paying for LMFAO

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R G B

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:07 AM

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lmao bruh

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That's ugly

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It's just

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So bad

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imo

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Unless you have your desk out in the room

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There's literally no reason for monitors to have RGB

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I'm baffled by this phenomenon called "RGB EVERYTHING"
Like sure I like RGB in some components but hell not in everything on my damn desk.

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:08 AM

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it's not backlighting capable?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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ASUS ROG Strix 2080 Ti, ASUS ROG Strix monitor, ASUS ROG Strix 9900K, ASUS ROG Strix 64GB 3200MHz RAM, ASUS ROG Strix NH-D15, ASUS ROG Strix Motherboard, ASUS ROG Strix fucking everything

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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like lighting your wall with what's on screen

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Ew lighting the walls

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It's nice, but

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Unless that has hella brighness I dont see how it could...

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Meh

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Harold chill I have a backlit desk

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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there's led strips you can get

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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It's nice

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Hah

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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ye

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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I know it is

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But

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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i like the look of it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Still

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

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but you have to have your room pretty dark

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and i keep my lights on when at my desk so my eyes don't die

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

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I'm generally in a dark room so its fine for me

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

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i do that if i need to sleep

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

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like i'll turn the mood lighting in the room to dark orange and get night light going on screen

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yeah that's pretty

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i'll probably do that when i move in to a new apartment

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because for now lighting would look off in my room

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Yea thats fair

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I'm going to take some extra cate to clean the cables on my desk up when I build my new PC

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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holy shit i just realized this server has 193 voice channels

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Right now I have

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calbes

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*cables

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everywhere

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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yeah

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gotta get those uh

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velcro ties

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Lmao

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Under the desk is perfectly good

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:12 AM

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zip ties help a lot inside when you wire

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Above is

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eh

oblique latch Nov 23, 2019, 7:12 AM

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but fucking zip ties outside upset me so much

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like i helped my sister rewire her stuff and my dad had zip tied like everything

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hated it

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:13 AM

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It’s not perfect but they aren’t noticeable unless you’re looking at it from the level of the desk

📎 image0.jpg

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A few came out

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fuck

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gotta put em back in the net

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:14 AM

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F

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Well I must go to sleep

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This was fun Kek

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Have a good one Harold

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Hope you can get good deals on da parts

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Yuuup

hexed horizon Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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@urban gulch hey faye, do you own the basic HTC Vive?

urban gulch Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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What don’t i own?

hexed horizon Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Oculus Go

urban gulch Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Yeah, basically. Why?

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I mean all the vr for pc

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Phone doesn’t count 🤔

hexed horizon Nov 23, 2019, 11:26 AM

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So the Vive has like 2 face pads that vcomes with it

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Narrow face and wide face

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But the Index has a single one right?

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That comes with the package

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The face cushion

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Cuz if so we gotta buy an additional with my bro

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If its even possible

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 12:31 PM

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do you even own index? FeelsCringeManW

urban gulch Nov 23, 2019, 12:34 PM

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me? yeah lmao

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 1:03 PM

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So you own several VR sets, then?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Probably wears them all at once GWmythicalThonkCool

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Speaking of the CR kits

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VR*

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My brother now wants me to save money with him saving as well for an Index

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Question for anyone willing to help. Should i get a new CPU or a new GPU? Black Friday/ cyber Monday is right around the corner. Currently i have a I5-8400 CPU (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126687/intel-core-i5-8400-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-00-ghz.html) , and a Gigabyte GTX 1060 3GB (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics-GV-N1060IXOC-3GD/dp/B01KQUD9U6/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Gigabyte+GTX+1060+3gb&qid=1574550715&s=electronics&sr=1-4)

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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It's kind of choosing either losing your left or right hand, really.

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Both are really worth upgrading.

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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i figured as much, had to get a new GPU 2 years ago cuz a Cap blew in my GT 645, and last year the CPu died right before my extra life stream so i went out and bought that CPU really quick

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Maybe it'd be better to get something with more than 3 GB VRAM.

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8400, non-k, could likely be serviceable.

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It's at least not the 7400K.

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or 7400.

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:19 PM

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i was looking at jumping up to the RTX line but assumed id bottle neck the card with my CPU

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https://www.microcenter.com/product/511343/asus-dual-geforce-rtx-2080-overclocked-dual-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:21 PM

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You can get like

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Well actually, what’s your budget range? And you want to upgrade both CPU and GPU?

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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My budges really around 600Ish atm, I would like to do 1 if possible and then ill buy the other when i get my Christmas bonus

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Ah, so a 2080 isn’t bad then

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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I was thinking get this now (https://www.microcenter.com/product/512484/intel-core-i7-9700k-coffee-lake-36-ghz-lga-1151-boxed-processor) then get the GPU with my christmas bonus

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Totally not a bad choice

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 PM

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I'd do a i9 but idk what the value would be for that over an i7

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

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More cores/threads? I honestly don’t see it except more performance that probably wouldn’t be used too much

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Unless you’re gonna use the CPU’s full power

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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I thought so, it not like im going any 3d rendering or the like. Streaming yes but i cheat and use my elgato HD60

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Of course, it’s the best CPU to get Not going to include 9900KS, that’s like 50$ less and probably a little more power?

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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the KS is actually more atm with the sale

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Oh really? That’s interesting

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

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9900K is 449.99 and the KS is 569.99

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Oh yeah I forgot the 9900K dropped 50$ off their original 500$

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Probably to compete against the 3950X

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

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📎 I9.PNG

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Eh

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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normally both are apparently 699.99

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Th

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There isn’t so much dif-

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What

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That’s a fake ass price

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Not a single consumer CPU is that expensive

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Unless like

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Your GPU is likely better upgraded first.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Yeah

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Get GPU, then CPU

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8400 is still an amazing CPU

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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eh

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6/6 is always eh

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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4/4 is eh too but 7700K is still good to use

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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4/4 is horrible.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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But similar pricing to 9700K I think

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Actually.

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Can choke up quite easily even just trying to use it as an average person.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Well not my problem

bitter dragon Nov 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Digital trends is putting the KS at just over 513 on release?

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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I still think it’s a good CPU nonetheless

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Also, the 7700K, specifically, is 4/8.

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The 7400 is 4/4

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:36 PM

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I thought 7700K was a 4/4

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:36 PM

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blissful marten Nov 23, 2019, 11:36 PM

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yeah, 4/8

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exactly what I'm using atm

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:37 PM

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GWmythicalThonkCool

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Does 7700 have 4/4 then? Cause that could be why

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Generally, they never cross their core/thread on the same CPU line.

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7700 is 4/8

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Okay

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So why did I think 7700K has 4/4

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Misconception.

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7600 has 4/4

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Alright then

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Time to forget that 7700K was 4/4

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:45 PM

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seeing as i am a cheap mf this should be a decent up to the RTX line no? https://www.microcenter.com/product/601998/evga-xc-black-gaming-geforce-rtx-2060-single-fan-6gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Yeah, but I heard it was ass for using ray tracing

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Would recommend getting 2070 instead imo

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:46 PM

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so then this other one i was looking at https://www.microcenter.com/product/513139/gigabyte-gaming-geforce-rtx-2070-overclocked-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:47 PM

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If it goes on sale, it might be the price of a 2060 or lower

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Im keeping everything im looking at BMed so i can see what its at on cyber monday

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Unless 2060 price isn’t too far different from 2070 then it’ll be lower, better to have that

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:48 PM

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the 2060 is normally 369.99 and that 2070 is 499.99

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so prety far off

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Welllll

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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2060 isn't an RTX card, chip wise, or what ever it was.

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Don

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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The sale can sometimes give mad cuts

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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't get a single fan GPU.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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2060 sucks basically

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It’s 1060 with RTX

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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It doesn't suck, but don't get a single fan GPU.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Well it’s not the best if you’re looking for like

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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I have one now but it was for my micro ATX build

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now i dont need to worry about space

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cuz this is my case now https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tempered-Vertical-Pre-installed-CA-1I7-00F1WN-01/dp/B074ZN21M8

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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You’re free to get a 2080 if that’s what you wish though

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I do want one but im trying to work price and savings

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:51 PM

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It’s gonna be worth a buy on a sale

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If it’s cheap enough at least

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Ya, i chucked the 2060 off the list ans saved the 2070 and the 2080 i posted

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as well as save the I7

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Your budget range from what I’m seeing will allow you to have a 2070 or 2080 on sale

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And if you’re lucky enough, a 8700K might come close to 200$

sick reef Nov 23, 2019, 11:55 PM

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An 8700K, if for cheap, is absolutely worth it.

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Yup

lost kiln Nov 23, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Okay, ill tab that too

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so 6/12 would be better than 8/8? (just looking at the 9700K 8/8 and comparing it to the 8700k 6/12)

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Uhhh

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It’s faster I guess but uhh

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Well you don’t need 8 cores, 6/12 is good enough

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Still go for the 8700K tbh

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

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okay

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

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30-45% faster than a 7700K if I remember correctly

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Multicore is way better on 8-series, single core is normal 5-10% increase

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Just see whether the 8700K or 9700K is at a good price on a sale, might get yourself some extras if you have enough money to do so

copper zealot Nov 24, 2019, 3:29 AM

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just get a 3900x and call it a day

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D:

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as for video cards unless you are doing hardcore VR and ray tracing 1080ti is equiv of 2080 +

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CPU wise the ryzen equivalents are comparable with 8900 / 9900k but if you are interested in pure gaming the intel is the way to go

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if you do any video plus ryzen sweeps it

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 9:36 AM

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For ray tracing, even the 2080ti is too slow with its dinky about of specialised cores. Give it a generation or two and it might actually be worth it. Get the fastest GPU within your budget for the best gaming performance. The AMD 5700 and 5700xt are both excellent cards with a very neat price.

CPU wise, Ryzen 3000 series is just better right now. However, if you have an intel motherboard that's compatible with 8000 or 9000 series, it doesnt makenmuch sense to change platform money wise. The 8700k and 9600k are essentially identical, get whichever one is cheaper. The 9700k is ok, but it's the first i7 since the iN naming was that doesn't have SMT (hyperthreading)...

There's also the fact that intel CPUs are less secure and because of that, need software fixes that reduce performance to remain secure. That means that now, CPU performance actually gets reduced over time if you're running any remotely modern intel chip. My own 3930k has lost more than 10% performance since I got it to intel security problems...

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Hello fellow nerds

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I'm looking to build a new PC over the coming Black Friday. Care to take a look at my parts list and provide feedback?

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/RaedonZadar/saved/qB7Qqs

wraith elbow Nov 24, 2019, 11:39 AM

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its private, you need to make it public

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@topaz helm

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Oops

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/RaedonZadar/saved/qB7Qqs

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Should be good now

wraith elbow Nov 24, 2019, 12:05 PM

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looks pretty good spec wise. i'd prob check with someone else for value of it tho

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 12:09 PM

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AMD only build, what you want more ? 🙂

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looks great

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maybe instead of RGB fans, a better CPU Cooler ? 🙂

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 12:15 PM

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I've read around that the Wraith Stealth is decent enough if I'm not overclocking

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If I did get a better cooler though, what would you recommend?

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 12:17 PM

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I am a big fan of the brand Noctua (in your case the NH-D15 SE-AM4) I use it myself and have like 800rpm for a fully overclocked i7 7700k @5200MHz and it's super silent

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but there is also other good brands out there.
I would say that air coolers today almost give the same results as many AiO watercoolers and even if buying exensive watercooling, you are not much cooler with it

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Yeh, I was talking to some friends about going the AiO route and was told it isn't worth it

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 12:22 PM

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It can be, but compared to AIO, it's a question of space.

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Often not an issue, in an average case.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 12:22 PM

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maybe because of acoustic or design, but good air coolers can easily compete with aio yea

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I use one AiO cooler in a mATX "cube" case which is so small that no good air cooler would fit in. But a AiO could be installed, so I did that

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Yeah. In such cases, openloop is often better value, though more effort.

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I know, way back, I used AIO for my 1080 Ti, and for my CPU, and it worked well enough.

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Still AIO on my 1080 TI, but I have a waterblock if I wanted to switch it up, but I now don't have the space.

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For higher power CPU's, though, water edges out performance simply in pure scale.

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But that's also beyond the average consumer stuff.

hexed horizon Nov 24, 2019, 2:29 PM

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@urban gulch You got the VR cables hanging from the ceiling or those don't bother you

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❔

urban gulch Nov 24, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Well.. let me take a pic

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let's just say half-ceiling

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@hexed horizon

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sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Shelves.

urban gulch Nov 24, 2019, 2:38 PM

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more like... wooden shelves

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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For half a second I though you'd have extra roof beams across your room for VR specifically.

hexed horizon Nov 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Oh neat

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I was looking for ways and I found these ceiling pulleys

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Look neat, unfortunately my room is not really capable because the ceiling is tilted and stuff

urban gulch Nov 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Same, on one of the sides of my ceiling, it's tilted as well.

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But luckily on the wrong side, where my bed is :3

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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You could just build stops, and put shelves on the stops.

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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@topaz helm
My suggested modified build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bFHdDx
Looks like a good overall build! You might want to look around for similar parts of different brands during the sale itself; especially the RAM and GPUs typically don't have much performance difference between brands; an RX 5700 xt is an 5700xt no matter who makes it; unless it's the thicc; that one had issues xD

Personally, I would go with an B450 motherboard as that saves you about 75£, and use the difference to get a 1TB SSD of the same type.

I also found some 3600MHz CL17 memory to replace the 3200MHz CL16 memory you had; this saves about 9£ while having faster bandwidth and lower latency!^[1]

I also chose a different 5700xt, saving another 50£

In total, this leaves your build about 42£ cheaper with faster memory and 4x larger SSD. You could save even more by not choosing some of the most expensive fans there are and/or a different case. You could also consider getting the 3700(x) CPU instead; that's only 115£ more expensive, or 73£ more compared to the modified build I suggest. You could most likely save that in on the RGB fans alone by going for some more 'traditional' fans instead.

1: 16 cycles out of 3200MHz is a slightly larger amount of time than 17 cycles of 3600MHz, hence a higher 'rated latency' when combined with a higher frequency gives a lower real latency. To compare latency, you can take MHz / CL aka CAS to get the 'latency performance' where more is better. 200 is considered good, 250 is about as fast as it gets no matter the price. 150 is considered 'acceptable'.

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xQMLPn
Here it is with the case and fan replaced, and the CPU upgraded from the 3600 to the 3800x without being more expensive than your original build! The case already comes with 2 good fans, and a second intake fan will make sure your case has a positive air-flow, keeping dust out!

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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holy smokes 1080TI's are just as expensive as 2080 TI's

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Ikr

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But you can find them for 500$ or something

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Is it bad to say im considering ebay

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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eBay is fine too

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I’m not sure about it though

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:40 PM

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theres this on on bid https://www.ebay.com/itm/GPU-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-Founders-Edition-Graphics-Card-1080Ti-w-Box/143450846472?hash=item2166563508:g:BO0AAOSwGj9d2dbA

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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An age, hm

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FE*

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Autocorrect ass

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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lol

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Try to find a fan cooled 1080 ti

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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If you're able to tinker, a FE can be AIO'd easily.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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so this one https://www.ebay.com/p/245120001?iid=274111030262&rt=nc

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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And it'll perform admirably, mainly in temps.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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i'd match my MSI build lol

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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MSI is cheaper on the cards now I think

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For NVIDIA

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:45 PM

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I could bid on this one

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GEFORCE-GTX-1080-TI-AERO-11G-OC/254431738670?hash=item3b3d503b2e:g:I~8AAOSwAGxd2eRE

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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An FE PCB?

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Lovely price, but I’m not too into blower imo

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Yeah, it's an FE PCB

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You can watercool it somewhat easily.

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If you get it so cheap, it'll be worth it in the end.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Of course

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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i'll watch it and see how the bids go

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-SC-Black-Edition-Water-cooled-Original-Cooler/184014032099?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D57921%26meid%3D6b5f01087d9a4d8d92a4d9c927c3b179%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D392533506837%26itm%3D184014032099%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

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This has a water block but ill need to learn how to do a custom loop

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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So, when selling a product

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Why do you not show the entire product?

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It has 4 pictures of the original cooler, but no full picture of the water cooling block.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Thats true, didnt even think about that

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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It also only sits with two philips screws

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Looks like the block is misaligned

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It should have the original feather screws.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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May have killed the card and is trying to recoup cost?

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Maybe bad silicon.

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Or scuffed the card, obviously.

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But it should not at all sit with two philip screws. At the very least four. And to add to it, it should be the original screws to begin with.

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Way too many things wrong with this one.

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You're selling a card with it's original cooler, and 3/5ths of the pictures are of the original cooler.

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People aren't buying it for the original cooler.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Wow micro center has alot of 1660 and 1660 TI's

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Hurr hurr

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Not the super?

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:03 PM

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didn't pay too much attention just skimmed the numbers

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https://www.microcenter.com/product/610808/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-5700-triple-fan-overclocked-8gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card

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theres this but i know nothing of AMD cards

sick reef Nov 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Super lulWut

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Not good deal, only 50$ less than stock price

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5700 XT is comparable to a 2070 Super btw

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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The 570/580/590 8GB cards are killer in the sub 250 range, and with say 10% performance between each, and the 5700xt is basically the same as the 2070S/2080
The 5700 is cheaper than the 2060 super and faster than 2070 IIRC

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:06 PM

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You’re paying AMD for less price to performance and you’re paying NVIDIA for RTX

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Unless you aren’t getting an RTX card

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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id get a 1080 if it wasnt so expensive

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damn fat thumbs

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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It shouldn’t be too expensive in the sale

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Microcenter doesnt have them on their site, and new egg wants between 900 and 1.2K for 1080-1080TI's

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Amazon?

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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same thing

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Lol ok

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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between 800 and 1.2

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Honestly idk what to say then

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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exactly

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theres this one https://www.microcenter.com/product/610872/powercolor-red-devil-radeon-rx-5700-xt-overclocked-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-40-video-card

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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And unless you’re looking at 1080 Ti, that’s their price

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Thats the one you were talking about @radiant garnet ?

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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5700 XT average price is 400$

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They won’t have much of a sale unless we’re lucky

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Any GPU within the same 'family' will be about equal in performance. The fastest 5700xt won't be much faster than the slowest 5700xt, and the same for all other families.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I also assume you have a GPU to sell? It’ll reduce the amount you have to pay for the cards

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Ya but whos gonna buy a 1060 with 3gb of ram

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@lost kiln It's just a matter of price, always is :3

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Me 4 years ago

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My phone is gonna die and the power to the outlet is off for some reason

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I’ll see you later

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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See ya

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What would you price the thing out to Zr? 100? (if i cant sell it i mught just make a computer for my friend so that we can all play GTFO)

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Oh wait 1 sec a friend gave me a card a week ago brb

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@radiant garnet R9 270?

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Dataland r9 270

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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You need to check your local market for the used price of GPUs. General guideline should be half price of the same perfer in a new card today.

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The R9 270 is an old and weaker card. It's value is for 'no budget' gamers and those that just need more display outputs without any 'power' behind them. Again, check local market for prices.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Oh i didnt mean to sell the r9 i was thinking about making a PC to give to a friend with it

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:21 PM

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It's much faster than the fastest integrated GPU you'll find in a CPU (5x to 2x depending on model) but it's about half the performance of the 1060 3GB

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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so no good for GTFO

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Doing a quick and dirty comparison, the 1060 3GB is equal or slightly faster than an 1650. Try pricing it at 75% of the price of the cheapest 1650 in your market, and see what response you get. If nothing within 2 weeks, lower the price. Consider making a new listing, depending on where you're selling.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I'll give that a shot, and my bad its the R9270X

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not that that means much for a 2 gb card

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:25 PM

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It might be able to play GTFO, but don't expect high framerates.

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The 270x that is.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:25 PM

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as long as it the 30 FPS frame i think it'll be good enough for them

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I'll test the card out in my rig and see how it plays when the games able to be played again

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Sounds like a plan!

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Thanks @radiant garnet! I'll have a look at those builds when I get home. Forgot to mention that I'll be reusing a 1TB SSD and a 2TB HDD from my current build.

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Also, I know RGB is expensive and unnecessary but I'm gonna want to showcase it on my desk in all its glory

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Cool! You might want to consider getting a larger HDD while you're at it, then! The prices for rather large HDDs are really cheap!
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=ppgb&page=1

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@topaz helm Just ask yourself if the RGB fans is worth going from the 3700x to the 3600. If it is for you, then gold! Personally, performance/price > all. Looks is a distant third after noise.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 4:40 PM

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oh hey i found my old I5 4430 and mother board

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i wonder how this would run with the R9

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Regarding the CPU. Do I really need something better than a 3600? I don't do any photo editing or mathematical modelling or the like. Just gaming and casual browsing/movies.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 4:50 PM

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You don’t need anything better than a 3600

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 4:51 PM

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More is better, and as long as it doesn't change the total price, it's all good IMO.

vapid crypt Nov 24, 2019, 6:33 PM

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My buddy has an R9 270 I think, that or the 270x? Probably not a huge difference, just has the full die. But anyway he was able to play GTFO at around 30fps, and that's with a Skylake i3.

topaz helm Nov 24, 2019, 6:37 PM

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That was the alpha tho, it can't be that graphically intensive, right?

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 6:42 PM

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it was quite demanding IMO and used advanced shaders etc

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I don't think they had ran any kind of optimization for AMD at the point when the alpha was available.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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AMD went smooth

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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tbh it felt like amd just did better anyway

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Like reaaaalllll smooth

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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^

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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45-75FPS with a Radeon VII, and a 2700X@4.2GHz

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Maybe it just didn't agree with my card.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I got the same with a stock 2600 + RX570

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Then again, a BIOS setting change will cause this card to crash at desktop.

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 PM

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@raw mauve Some settings made a big difference! The render ahead setting was really important to get right

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I got 35-45 FPS average on 1060 3GB and 7700K @4.20GHz

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 PM

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@raw mauve I'll happily take it off your hands! xD

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Tried every settings change, no help whatsoever

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Also, remember to mention what resolution you're playing on! It's literally the single most important setting!

I got about 50-65FPS with my Fury X and 3930K
2560x1600

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I tried all the settings at different levels, there wasn't a noticeable difference between max and low for any of them. Even the frame queueing and CPU offload settings really didn't do anything but make my framerate worse as they went up, but it was only by like 5% between lowest and max.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:06 PM

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2560x1440p 60Hz

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:08 PM

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i played with rx 5700x and I had usually had more than 70fps most of the time with high setting. I fear to say that the Radeon VII may have problems with some games 😦 I love AMD but the Radeon VII was a bit of a crap product

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same as r9 fury X which I owned before and probably got zero love by AMD over the years 😦

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I at least had issues with the card and was not satisfied

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 PM

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My target is 1920x1080@144Hz, and before anyhting is said about the refresh rate, I knew it wasnt going to hit anywhere close, given the fact that the RTX 2080 I ran it on before was pulling 55FPS no matter the settings.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 PM

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oh I played on 1440p

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 PM

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NVIDIA and Intel seems to be meh on it tbh

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I think it's just the GPU having issues. It's also not a real gaming card :/

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 PM

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On paper my Radeon VII is at max 8% faster than the 5700XT, but the difference is the architecture there.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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it's a monster. but probably plagued by driver issues

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Oh good lord yes.

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This thing is insanely unstable.

radiant garnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@brisk badger The only difference between a 'gaming' card and a 'professional' card is software. It's the same hardware, and has been for over a decade.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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do you happen to know how much power it consumes and if it runs hot?

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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It really is more optimized to amd somehow

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It really is more optimized to amd somehow

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It really is more optimized to amd somehow

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Sonofabitch lag

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:11 PM

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They just recently got the drivers for it to a state where it doesn't just lock the system up randomly, or when using the card extensively.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:11 PM

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true @radiant garnet. But I cannot trust any company to give me driver support for a longer time for a 'business card' which I want to play on

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Worst GPU decision I've ever made.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:11 PM

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.>

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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does the radeon vii use HBM memory?

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i completely forgot

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Yes.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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16gb of it?

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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16GB HBM2 1024bit I believe.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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that sounds so nice on paper

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technically also in reality

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Yeah, but I cant FORCE it to use that much VRAM XD

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 PM

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prolly should only use it to render shit

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and have another card the system uses

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:13 PM

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It really isn't that bad of a gaming card, it's just insanely unstable.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:13 PM

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what about bios? did you check for any updates?

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:13 PM

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VBIOS or Mainboard BIOS?

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:13 PM

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bios for GPU I mean sry

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:14 PM

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I was looking into that, and EVGA dosn't offer any newer VBIOS that what I'm currently running, and I'm not entirely sure if I want to try VBIOS flashing at this point, ya know?

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Believe it or not, a lot of the instability seems to be coming from the AMD included HDMI Audio driver, which you can choose to not install(which is exactly what I do). The odd part is that the DP and HDMI ports stil manage to output audio with the video whether that driver is present or not.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Disabled the driver?

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Uh, what?

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:18 PM

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You go into device manager

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and right click > disable driver

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it can’t do anything then :>

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:18 PM

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If I didn't install the HDMI Audio driver, then I can't target that specific device in the DM

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:18 PM

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install it

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and disable it

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Why? When the newest driver comes out, I purge the current one with DDU and install the new one in it's place, which would reset that anyway. I get what you're talking about, but I've got a TERMINAL case of The Lazies, and don't want to do any more than I absolutely have to for this build.

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IF it continues to freeze(Which it really hasn't since 19.10.2) then I'll try that.

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The drivers are progressively getting better, they're just not 100% yet, so I bitch about this card trying to find someone that has the same problem.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:22 PM

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oh nice

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:22 PM

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GWworkshopAkaShrug

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Also, I can't recommend AMD because of that, at least their GPU's.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I’ve not had issues with my RX570

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Their GPUs are fine, it’s just the fact the VII isn’t that much of a gaming GPU anyways

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I think maybe one

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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That, and it's technically extinct.

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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but I wasn’t running the latest drivers and it fixed the issue I was having

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:23 PM

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So why support it?

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Yeah it’s sort of a dead card, ain’t it?

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:24 PM

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It had one of the shortest production runs of any GPU ever.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Rip

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I saw 16GB HBM2 combination gaming/workstation, and I was sold.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:25 PM

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It was like 800$, right?

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:25 PM

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The lesson here: Don't do what I did and buy a GPU based on projected performance and VRAM stats.

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I paid $680 for mine.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:26 PM

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But it’s like 800$ for its original price, correct?

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:26 PM

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o7 to our fallen comrade

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Plus 16 VRAM is never needed for gaming anyways >.>

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I do some content creation, and for that, it's more than what I needed. But yeah, I cant FORCE this thing to use more than 12GB of the HBM2

late sorrel Nov 24, 2019, 7:27 PM

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oh no

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so you’ve got 4GB that can’t be used

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:27 PM

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It's not locked.

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Oh well >.>

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:28 PM

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It's all accessable, I just haven't found anything that uses any more and 12GB of it at any given time.

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And I wouldn't consider the RE2 remake crazy demanding, but it's the king of VRAM consumption that I've seen, clocking in at 11.34GB at MAX settings.

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:30 PM

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If you want to max out your VRAM, play skyrim, with tons of mods 🙂 It maxes my 8GB at least and the RAM usage is like 9 GB for skyrim.exe :p

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Not a bad idea. I don't own Skyrim for PC(I don't like medieval magic games like that, plus Todd Howard is a crook)

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Todd Howard is great

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And if you have any Fallout games, I think there’s mod for that

brisk badger Nov 24, 2019, 7:33 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/wooza42/screenshots/

I made some screenshots recently. The game can look like it's been released today

And yea Bethesda is not a great company but I am happy that they are one of the few who allow modding

bitter dragon Nov 24, 2019, 7:55 PM

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ENBs for Skyrim 😍 Sure they might melt your computer, but man they are great.

lost kiln Nov 24, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Welp diggin around in my familys PC Grave yard i found a GTX 950 too

fleet canopy Nov 24, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Lovely

raw mauve Nov 24, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Good 'ol Maxwell.

frank spindle Nov 25, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Hello. I recently downloaded GTFO and ran into some issues while running the game. Please help me with this.
When I launch the game, I don't have a loading screen or main menu. There is only a warning that my computer has little RAM and in addition 3 more tabs. Should I wait for an open game test or what?

mystic pasture Nov 25, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Hi @frank spindle

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I'm not sure I know exactly what those warnings are, how much RAM do you have

In general though, yes you should wait until the game is open to the public before testing your system

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 4:57 PM

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We might as well know what your PC specs are, it’ll help

frank spindle Nov 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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No need to worry about RAM. It's not very big but dancing with a tambourine around the computer and some programs help me play with satisfactory fps in many games.

mystic pasture Nov 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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As long as you have your ritual lmao

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for me it's patting my dog's head 3 times

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Kek

frank spindle Nov 25, 2019, 5:10 PM

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It all started when I tried to play Arma III. I adjusted the graphics to the maximum fps, set a special graphics mode on the computer, cleaned it from garbage with cleaning programs and antivirus, + recently found a program to speed up the computer. All together, this gives a good result.

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Have there been any sales on a 1080 Ti, 2070 or similar? As well as any 1080p 144hz? Haven’t checked up on them in a while

hexed horizon Nov 25, 2019, 6:58 PM

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You guys think the Oculus Quest is overrated?

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Me no idea about the Oculus Quest since I didn’t pay much attention to VR for a good long time

late sorrel Nov 25, 2019, 7:20 PM

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1080p 144hz have had a couple of sales at 140$

mystic pasture Nov 25, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I'm waiting to get another Asus MG279Q

1440p 144hz, such a nice change of pace from 1080p/60hz

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Could you link any of the 1080p 144hz? My phone is the laggiest thing ever atm

late sorrel Nov 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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AOC C24G1 24" Curved Frameless Gaming Monitor, FHD 1080p, 1500R VA Panel, 1ms 144Hz, FreeSync, Height Adjustable, VESA, 3-Year Zero Dead Pixels https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GD7H18F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6-c3DbBXRS8EW

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Sceptre 24" Curved 144Hz Gaming LED Monitor Edge-Less AMD FreeSync DisplayPort HDMI, Metal Black 2019 (C248B-144RN) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MTMCNLX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_r.c3DbV4N0438

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sorry for the shit links but I’m using amazon for phone

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@fleet canopy

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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That’s alright

late sorrel Nov 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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One last one:

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Viotek 109013NH GFV24C 24-Inch Ultra-Thin 144Hz Gaming Monitor | 1080P 4ms (OD) | G-Sync-Compatible FreeSync FPS/RTS | HDMI DP 3.5mm | Zero-Tolerance Dead Pixel Policy (VESA), Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XD6HJPP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bad3DbK2VW945

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Is there anything special about the ms?

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Like 1ms compared to 4ms?

late sorrel Nov 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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idk

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1ms is the standard though

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@fleet canopy Response time is a measure of how quickly a pixel can display a change from either black to white or from one shade of gray to another. Lower response times are better. Normal response time right now is 1ms for TN panels and 4ms for IPS and VA panels.

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Yeah, pretty much if high ms, ghosting can be seen

vapid crypt Nov 25, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I think anything <5ms is fine in most cases, obviously 1ms being the best right now. LG has a new IPS monitor out that is 1ms, that'd be great to have.

fleet canopy Nov 25, 2019, 9:26 PM

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There is in fact, 0.4ms on one of the monitors or a few

vapid crypt Nov 25, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I just remembered that shortly after, makes sense if they're getting ips working on 1ms

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 4:01 AM

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How often does ZOTAC have their GPU parts for damn cheap?

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And if 659.99$ is the cheapest for a 2080 Ti refurbished that you have seen, I don't know what else you think https://store.zotac.com/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-triple-fan-zt-t20810f-10p-1527

sick reef Nov 26, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Zotac is one of the cheapest brands generally speaking.

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Yeah

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But the cheap price has me concerned whether it's good or not

vapid crypt Nov 26, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Well its refurbished, so its either gonna be completely fine and will run its use... or die after 2 weeks phaWesker

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 5:40 AM

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I've only seen refurbished from ZOTAC tbh lmao

subtle girder Nov 26, 2019, 12:16 PM

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gotta love having a 60hz 6ms 1080p monitor

sick reef Nov 26, 2019, 12:27 PM

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I used to have a 75Hz 16ms 1440x900 monitor.

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pepeHandsW

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Used to have a 1360x768p 60Hz TV which I believe it must have been much above 10ms

vapid crypt Nov 26, 2019, 3:07 PM

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I think TVs tend to be in the 30s-40s for response time

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 3:07 PM

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I guess so

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It is kind of like

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I believe it's been there for 12 years

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And I still have it!

vapid crypt Nov 26, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Unless it specifically states its response time to be 1ms or something, then its likely a higher number like 35ms

lavish remnant Nov 26, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Be careful with the 1ms response time statement. Its pixel-responsetime. It has nothing to do with input lag

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 3:52 PM

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It's not about input lag

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But of ghosting

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I know what it's supposed to do

lavish remnant Nov 26, 2019, 3:53 PM

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ok then ofc it matters

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I was just hoping to find a VA monitor with 1ms

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But eh GWworkshopAkaShrug

lavish remnant Nov 26, 2019, 3:54 PM

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As someone stated before, thera are now IPS panels with 1ms from LG

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Yeah

lavish remnant Nov 26, 2019, 3:55 PM

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they apparently are pretty good

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i think linus tech tips reviewed them

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 3:58 PM

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I'm not seeing it

lavish remnant Nov 26, 2019, 4:00 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6JxuEQhU18

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Oh yeah it's a 1440p display

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Damn expensive >.>

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Well

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I'll see what 1080p 144hz VA panels at 1ms there are

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Yeah I can't seem to find any, even for TN

idle berry Nov 26, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I have the MSI MAG241C 1080p 144hz pretty neat

raw mauve Nov 26, 2019, 7:41 PM

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2 Acer XF270H 27" 144Hz 1ms monitors here. I could immediately tell the difference in the response time, moving from 60Hz

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Twisted Nematic isn't that bad. Yeah, the viewing angles are shitty, but are you really going to be sitting THAT cockeyed from your monitor?

kindred forge Nov 26, 2019, 8:22 PM

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I finally got 2 monitors hooked up to my pc

fleet canopy Nov 26, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Lovely

kindred forge Nov 26, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Streaming should be a whole lot easier now

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Response time is usually counted in grey to grey, from grey to grey. And that is when most TN screens state, but often, their averages lies in 6-10ms. The IPS screen changes from a colour to another colour almost always equally fast regardless of colour, so a 1ms IPS is always 1ms.
But now you have to get into the input delay, processing time, and also RTC overshoot. I'd look at it before I trusted a 1ms IPS to be the best choice.

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A good TN screen has an average of 2-4ms, no/low overshoot, and low input delay.

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Oh yeah, it achieves 1ms, all right.

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Like saying your car does 0-100km/h in 5 seconds but you blow the top when you hit 101.

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 5:59 AM

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This data I cannot decipher for myself

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 5:59 AM

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But a 4.9ms average in general ain't half bad, which it also performed.

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RTC overshoot means it changes to the wrong colour, practically speaking. Highly noticeable.

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A normal, bad, overshoot is around 25% on that scale.

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And it hits up to 270%

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Well to be honest I have literally no idea what it is

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Maybe you can send a video about it, I have to sleep now

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 6:02 AM

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When it changes the pixel to the wrong colour, pretty much.

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I've seen a video that TN panels will change to the wrong color

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 6:03 AM

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If I had, I've just been watching the reviews of tftcentral, so I read myself into it deusthonk

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 6:03 AM

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While a VA panel would do it much better

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So having picked a 1ms monitor

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 6:03 AM

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TN panels will be the "wrong" colour mainly because it's not colour correct.

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Not because it overshoots, as in turning a pixel into the wrong colour.

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Yeah, I saw a video about it before today

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I forgot what VA would do though

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 6:04 AM

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High input delay.

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Generally speaking

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If an input delay on a TN is 6, and IPS is 8-10, VA often has 16-20ms.

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How it is now, though, I can't remember. This rule of thumb is a bit dated.

fleet canopy Nov 27, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Hm

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I'll be heading off to sleep now

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Good night

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Good night, Harold.

hexed horizon Nov 27, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Its heeere

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Where are you going to sort it?

marsh mesa Nov 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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I just ordered the controllers, pug tell me how they go 👌

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Or does it sort itself, because, you know,
Index?

marsh mesa Nov 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Get out Labcat

sick reef Nov 27, 2019, 12:19 PM

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PepeLaff

hexed horizon Nov 27, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Look bad

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Extra small joysticks

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Not comfy to push on

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No grip button