#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 40

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:21 AM

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The NVIDIA uhhh

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Download-A-Program-To-Boost?

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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perks of sapphire

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Things like this get me. This dude has fuckn negative case pressure with those three exhaust fans, but the color scheme is what I'm going for.

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late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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that'

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s

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beautiful

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Oh my

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Hence why I love synthwave builds

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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B i g f a n s

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:22 AM

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I think that synthwave builds don't aways work

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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H u g e

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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but when they do... :)

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Those are 120mm Harold lol

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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They look fucking gigantic

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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The meshify C is a smol case 😉

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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honestly fans are sometimes so weird

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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also the case I'm goin with

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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like 120mm are so big

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I wasn't expecting them to be hand sized

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Hah

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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You should see my 140mm then

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lol

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Honestly I wish corsair would bring back those pump blocks. They look so clean without the RGB

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:24 AM

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WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE THEY SO BIGGGGGGG

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:24 AM

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BIG

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:24 AM

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MORE AIR MUTHAFUCKA

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:24 AM

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GIGANTIC

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Is it really any better getting bigger fans lol

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Besides the huge ass size?

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Yes and no

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Like 200 why do those exists

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:25 AM

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bigger fans = less air, slower speed, less noise

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Larger fans can push a larger volume of air while spinning at a lower rpm

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but 200mm is where it kinda falls

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120-140mm is kind of a sweet spot

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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smaller fans = stronger airflow, faster speed, more noise

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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More concentrated

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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b/c if you suck in air from a large area, then more air will be going through your case

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Sounds about right

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 AM

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which is good b/c sometiomes they get hot

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:27 AM

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So big for intakes, small for outtakes is what I hear

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:27 AM

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other way round

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Speaking of bigass things

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check out this monitor ghat dayum

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late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:27 AM

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you want air sucked into your case

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meaning if more air is going out than going in, the air pressure sucks more air in through the intakes

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It's science

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It

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It's called a negative pressure system

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:28 AM

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No I just got it wrong somewhere Kek

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Negative case pressure can cause air to go through your unfiltered PCI-e brackets (the back of the case essentially) though, so if you have animals its best to have neutral to positive case pressure

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:30 AM

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meaning there's a slightly lower air pressure in the case than outside meaning more air is sucked in = better airflow with less noise and your fans don't have to work as hard

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right now I have a neutral case pressure, but if I fully filled out the fan slots, I'd have a negative one

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I'm aiming for neutral-positive with my next build

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I kinda wanna go open air

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Yeah I don’t know

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Open air looks damn good but doesnt have the benefits of an enclosed chamber

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 AM

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but then again I have $1 to my name

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I heard best cooling was to get a regular fan and open the case, using the fan to cool PC

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Best cooling ever

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I mean, depends on your fan

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Like

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A fan you’d use to cool a room lol

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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if you have one of the fancy airconditioner fans and shot it at your peripherals, yeah it totally would be better

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but a normal one? prolly not

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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It's what I do

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Hah

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Cuz my airflow suck

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And game keep crashing if I use the side panel

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GPU ran too hot at over 92+ Celcius

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Hm

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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oh shit lmao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Yall need to get some Noctua industrial fans

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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^

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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those boys spin at like

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I have

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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3000rpm

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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god I love the black ones

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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It's not my CPU the problem

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Nah I’ve only seen ones at 2000 RPM

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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It's my GPU that get too hot

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Not any higher

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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What case are you using?

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Actually I’ve probably seen a 2500 RPM but eh

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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I'm pushing my 980Ti too much in 2K

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Oof

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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what case?

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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A cheap semi compact one

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Office case

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Hm

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Oof thats rough

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:35 AM

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My fans always spin at 2700 RPM

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Dang

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:35 AM

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81%

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100% is 3355 rpm

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Just tested lol messing wth the program

dense trellis Nov 15, 2019, 4:36 AM

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TooBad, weren't you going to sleep? 🤔

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:36 AM

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With the side panel on, My temp goes up to 90 and eventually game like Witcher 3 crash.
When I remove it it stay stable at 80 Celcius

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:37 AM

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OOF

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Thats rough

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I kind of want to get an AIO gpu next round?

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late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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they aren't worth it though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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toobs

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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toobeuleules

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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@fleet canopy you wanted to see a white build?

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Maybe

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Not very white

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I mean

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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also my pc is a white build

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Literal bleach white

chrome chasm Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Too scared of leak

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Not just lighting

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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GPU isn't white, bit the rest are

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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I gotchu fam

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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GPU is silver though

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case is white, but keyboard isn;t

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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I prefer going with a nice black aesthetics with some red RGB

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKgmgnL6F-4

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:40 AM

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white is where it's at doe

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blue would be fun too

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:40 AM

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I really want to see my mobo but I've really just thought about getting a dark rock pro and being done with it

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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lmaoo

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what a mood

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Like fuck it do I really want to deal with pump speeds?

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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you really don;t want to

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it's like 1-2C difference

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you're not missing out on much

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Just get air cooling

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Corsair iCue is already a leech so why the heck not

cedar fulcrum Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Y’all want the full build?

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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AIO ain’t doing much

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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heck ICue

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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aesthetic tho

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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god I hate iCue with a passion

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it's shit

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aduahsduhaspd ipsuds d]\

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I have to use it for my keyboard

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it's been nice to me

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so far

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at least

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Ahem

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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me too but I hate it

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Just because aesthetics

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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no

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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ahem wot HaRoLd

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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no rights for you hardold

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Doesn’t mean it’s got good performance or shit

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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You're right

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But I want a quieter PC

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so AIO it is

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since my current one runs at 100% constantly and sounds like a jet

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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aren't AIO's louder?

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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You can have an air cooled PCs

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Not really

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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At such dead silent sound

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Just passively cool the CPU 4head

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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And if it sounds like a jet

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Just lower the speed

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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I cant. My broke ass fan controller lied to me

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it's either all or nothing

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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F

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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noo

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that sucks

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sorry gamer

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Phanteks bois

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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yEEhAw

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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my native language

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I hEArD soMe PhAntEk

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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ahh yes

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Ngl their NeOn RgB LiGhTs looks pretty sick tho

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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they do though

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Hm

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I mean, I'm only buying them for more white rgb

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Hah

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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pah

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hah

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Use a white glow stick for white RGB

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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mm so spicy

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Looks pretty neat though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Just wish the Meshify C could use that bottom strip

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More RGB for my synthwave fetish

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Tho I'm disappointed with Phanteks for using an ASRock board for their promo pic

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I'm still going with an AIO but I'll probably be paranoid as shit for the first couple weeks making sure the pump doesnt leak

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THREADRIPPER has a damn good air cooler though

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and it makes me jealous

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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it does

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and I want one purely b/c giant block? why not

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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it's huge lmao

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Bearz ur in love with the Phanteks huh lol

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Hot

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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who isn't

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Nah I dont like Phanteks cases @dusty pumice

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I meant the RGB

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Oh yea

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yea

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I actually don’t know any Phanteks

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Insane rgb isn’t my thing unlike you RGB druggies

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:51 AM

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The Evolv series is hot

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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hey stufu hardold

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I prefer non RGB over RGB

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Nou

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I just want a touch more

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I prefer a little

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Just the fans are alright

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I don't have enough

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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heavy breathing

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I think small amounts of RGB make the PC look pretty cheap quickly but if done right its amazing

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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fans are alright, same with ram, but it's slightly lacking in the lighing capacity

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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RAM, fans, a small bit on GPU is fine

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Can make*

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:52 AM

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right now, it's too little for me

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I feel that you are overpaying alot on the RGB ram

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I need cable management and a touch on the bottom

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Guys help I'm hyperventilating

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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G.skill trident can’t be that bad though

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I mean, I got it from my dad so I don't really care

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and it wasn't that much more

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I like the vapor wave aesthetics

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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like 20 bucks

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Very lovely

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I love that shit Harold

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Yes

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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omfg

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I'm moving

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late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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bad poster though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Sadboys is meh yea

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Ew

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Ok im out again goodluck ya weebs

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Lol okay

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Peace groundus

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Take care

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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also there are aproxximatlet 4 too many light things on the wall

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Too much light lol

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But eh

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Imma try to resolve my sleep issues with some heavy liqour

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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I like the room lighting

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It’s not so bright

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And it shows the whole room easily

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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PC is done fine, however a darker background

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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More so

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Fucking get rid of that shit on the wall

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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The PC is really what I loved

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It's too cluttered with the shit on the walls

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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the PC and the keyboard and mat are amazing

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Like they’re so useless and pointless

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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sterilize the walls

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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It’s basically room decor lol

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But honestly though

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I wanna have that room lighting

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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yeah same

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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It’s not so yellow and bright

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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I would take like 6 panels off

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Or too white

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Oh HEY

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Guess what

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Those panels are mad expansive

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Not the wall ones

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I mean the lamp

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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I found that Wraith cooler for non TR4 chips

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GBjNnQ/cooler-master-masterair-ma620m-573-cfm-cpu-cooler-mam-d6pn-120pa-r1

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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What makes the room blue

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Cant you just strip the wall with some covers over it to make it look better

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:57 AM

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It’d be so great to have that blue room lighting

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Probably has some HUE rgb lights

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theyre Fing expensive

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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HUE rgb lights?

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Hmm

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Yeah those light bulbs

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Just get crappy blue bulbs lol

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But yeah

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It’s too crap

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Blacklight back in the day was sick

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:00 AM

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^

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Ah, colour filtered bulbs

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Holy fuck

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The heatpipes on this air cooler

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Oh my

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I need to see this in person but this might convert me back to straight air

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Apparently it has the same cooling abilities as a 240 aio

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Hm

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:05 AM

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its clean tbh

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:05 AM

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AIO isn’t any better than a DNH-15 or DRP4

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:05 AM

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Big

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Thicc

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Gigantic

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Thicc boi

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Look at that compared to the GPU

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Its big

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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It must have to be so big I can barely hold it by fingertip

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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lol

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Which isn’t

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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My cryorig H7 isnt that small either

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Kek

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Mah coolah

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heck why dont I just post my PC here

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:09 AM

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What in the fuck

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:09 AM

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What

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thats my cooler

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well

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not my actual one

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but the same

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Anyway, this is my PC when I just build it. It's the same still.

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Oh my

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I have a lot of wasted space

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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All the space there

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Yes

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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yea I could but a grammy in there

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or some shit

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Those are 140mm fans tho

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all of them

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Maybe uhh

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Heck use it as extra drive bays

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Dont have to, all the drive bays on the other side. lol

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Wait what

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:11 AM

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yea I have two 3.5" bays on the back and three 2.5" bays

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Its a damn good case

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just really intended for watercooling

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Oof

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I'm just going with either an AIO or that fabulous Cooler Master cooler so I'm downsizing hella hard

fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Looks great for custom water cooling at least

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Enter the Meshify C, the smallest ATX case that still has super good airflow.

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fleet canopy Nov 15, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Kek

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I’m gonna go now

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I’m getting too tired

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Take care

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Take care bud

hearty frigate Nov 15, 2019, 6:57 AM

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dang that pc looks just like mine, save for that I have a 1080 ti and my case is the corsair obsidian 750d airflow edition, but the mobo, water cooler, ram and fans are identical

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Nice!

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 10:46 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcvVZz77ezE&feature=emb_title

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VIVIFY》The first lighting AOC HDMI Cable in the world

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Looks fucking terrible lmfao

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And the prices give me actual brain damage 150 dollars or 200 dollars for 2.7 meters or 4.5 meters

vapid folio Nov 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Y'all are rich

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I'm on a 3770

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8GB of DDR3 RAM

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and a second hand R9 Fury which crashes for no fucking reason

brisk badger Nov 15, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Today watetcoolong feel like a waste of money

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@vapid folio flash the bios of the gpu. Most gpu problems are solved by that

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Or check if your gpu has two vbios and check on the board where u can switch it

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I used to have a 2500k, 8gb, and a HD5670

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Well, before June at least

brisk badger Nov 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Second intel generation❤️ miss those times

tawny tundra Nov 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@abstract kite meshify c is godly I have one and it’s >>>>>> any other case

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Water cooling isn't a waste of money.

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It can be, but as a concept, it isn't.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:00 PM

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RGB is a waste of money 😜

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Water cooling is only functionally useful for overclocking, unfortunately, overclocking is not really worth the effort for most use cases with how powerful modern hardware has gotten, the gains are marginal and it burns hardware out way faster

That being said, if you like water cooling for aesthetics, go hog wild, same with RGB, it's your rig, make it look how you want, that's part of what makes the PC community so interesting

north bronze Nov 15, 2019, 4:31 PM

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^

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I mean yes if you make smart choices but there are alot of unknowing souls in the PC world who rather drop a $1000 on a couple sets of nano leafs than upgrade their 2006 prebuilt toaster

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But hey that brings the bread to the tables and makes the economy go round

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I mean if that's how they wanna spend their money ¯_(ツ)_/¯

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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At that point might aswell just buy a plane ticket, Get a Japanese Visa and start pimping out your custom Dekotora truck 😜

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Water cooling is functionally useful for regular CPU's as well.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:37 PM

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With the exception of it being more quiet, I would argue it's not as air cooling is just as effective

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But I guess that's too harsh of me

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It really depends on the user and what they consider important

vapid crypt Nov 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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it mainly comes down to preference, its actually been tested that mid - high end air coolers perform as well or better than a standard All in One water cooler. Course we're not talking custom loops and all that, those are expensive for a reason (or at least I would hope). Generally I imagine most people would prefer the appearance of an AIO cooler, I personally like the reliability of a Tower cooler. From what I understand you have to replace an AIO every few years.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Personally if I were to ever water cool, I would only consider using a custom loop

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I don't like the aesthetics of soft tubing l, but that's just me

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And as far as I know, there aren't any AOI's featuring hard tubing

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And then there's the time investment to actually set it up and God forbid there's a leak

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Oh and cleaning it every now and again

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Yup

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Draining the whole thing can be a bitch

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If you dont know what ur doing

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But i do agree soft tubes look wack, but on AIO's its harder to notice and easier to hide imo

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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agreed, they're the smallest, cheapest, and least intrusive way to buy into water cooling

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definitely the route to go if you don't know what you're doing exactly

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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You generally want to replace an AiO every 4-5 years to my knowledge

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But the average person has probably upgraded their computer by then

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:53 PM

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yeah most likely, meanwhile I've been using the same Evo 212 cooler that cost me $25 for about 8 years now

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only just had to replace it when I switched to Ryzen and it didn't fit anymore 😦

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Yeah like stated above here somewhere some RGB Flair is only $20 more, so on top of one of the best coolers from BeQuiet or Noctua you can basicly grab a decent AIO loop for somewhere around the price of $100

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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which is a ridiculously decent price for how much it used to cost to buy in

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Yeah, AIO used to cost quite a lot.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Yeah i dont know many people at this point that run their PC's over 5 years but i do know of people here in chat who are going on PC's 5 years and older

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Even custom/open loop is somewhat cheap

cedar fulcrum Nov 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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I think I spent $175 for my cooler master

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Custom loop is fairly cheaper than before imho

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Theres alot of choices now in better quality products then before too

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Yeah

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I am gonna go Full custom loop on my next build after i did my aquarium built just for fun lmfao

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I haven't looked in a few years, but it used to be basically $1000 to go the custom route, that'd be awesome if it doesn't cost that much anymore though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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All AiOs have going for them is that their easier to work with in compact cases.

The Meshify C can totally take a bigass air cooler, but the look of an AiO is what’s drawing me to it. I’m a car guy and it reminds me of a car radiator lol

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I have a fully custom sunk system right now i am not actually using but it runs perfectly fine

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Wyd with that system then

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Nothing

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I got my custom sized and fitted radiator for around 100 euro

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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I just run it whenever i want to light up my room lmfao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Lmao nice

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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RGB in oil looks fucking fantastic LOL

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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A radiator is a radiator.-

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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I'm just glad LTT did an oil build so I could see how much of a mess it made and how not worth it it is haha

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Regardless of use.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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really cool looking though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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I intend on fully water cooling at some point, but I’m going to have to get something upwards of a 3950X before I feel like I can justify it.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Its definetly not worth it

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But you can sink so much shit in there lmfao

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You can have so much freedom with whatever you want to do

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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The biggest issue with a oil build is probably weight

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Honestly

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Yeah and that

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Apart from the cost for a few liters oil.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Price of the oil is not cheap too

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Its not expansive but it sure aint cheap

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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What oil we using 😉

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Yeah

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Non-conductive

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If you want effect.

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Yea true

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Hey biggest benefit is

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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I've fallen down the pit of micro builds recently, trying to jump down into ITX next, I hate heavy computers with how often I need to move mine around

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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no more dust on weird places

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ITX builds are cool and got alot cheaper to make too now

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Instead you have the oil accumulate water over time.

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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PFFFT WHOT

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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But i stil love my heavy pc builds too much

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Slowly, obviously, though

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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ITX SFF builds are still fucking expensive

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A decent ass case is still $200+

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Or, you know

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You just modify your own

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Or get a cheap one

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shrug

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Yeah at that point its not that hard to modify it

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Even if you do get a cheap one you probably can safe half of that price to have someone modify it or build a custom one for you

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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yeah micro-atx became as affordable as atx a while ago so that's what I've been rocking recently

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the cases I agree are expensive

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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A Ghost S1 or an NCase M1 are amazing cases but they cost more than my kidneys.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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but the biggest draw back is lack of features on itx motherboards

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which makes sense in some cases due to physical size

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but sometimes it just seems like corners were cut for no reason

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I am stil pretty set myself to be willing to go on a full double build on the Corsair 1000D

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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when I had all the space in the world at my parents house, I was all about it

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now in my tiny apartment, I want it as small as possible lmao

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Lmfao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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That’s kind of why I’m wanting to go small, but I still want the full features of ATX. Meshify C checked that box for me.

College hates space.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Thats what i decided on a young age i never wanted to be in a appartment i would rather be in prison

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I've seen that case get thrown around a few times in here

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I may have to check it out

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I lived in one for a short while when young and ur basicly living in a microwave if ur on the top floor

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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It’s honestly as small as a mATX case tbh

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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currently I'm rocking a Parvum Systems case

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worst

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case

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ever

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Yikes

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Acrylic is very heavy it turns out

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not to mention my GPU has nothing to support it due to their design

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and I have to unscrew the panels to get them off

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and no dust filters

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but it looks cool so I got that going for me

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Meshify C looks like a fucking midi tower to me but thats just me

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Lol

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Might be my eyes lying to me size wise

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Fractal has an even smaller meshify too

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https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-mini-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352086?item=N82E16811352086&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811352086&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9Yz0rOfs5QIVBffjBx2bdw9XEAQYASABEgK6xvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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That's the one I've been eyeing up

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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If links like that are accepted here

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I kinda wanted to buy a Fratical once but never did

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I recommend them

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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fiance won't let me buy new parts yet though since I jsut bought a ryzen chip and new mobo last year 😦

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I heard that those cases are hella quiet

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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All I’ve used it fractal and they’ve never let me down

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Fractal I've heard nothing but good things about

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Purposely overheat ur PC just once lol

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Then use that as an excuse

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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lolol that's a good idea

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her computer needs an upgrade far more than mine does though

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running on some pretty ancient hardware

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Oof

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OOF

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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life was so much easier when I only had 1 PC to maintain

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Everyone in my family are in need of PC upgrades

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But they keep buying fucking pre made PC's and never willing to listen lmfao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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She want my old PC?
Jk I wouldn’t wish the curse of the i5 on anyone

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Fucking laptops and prebuilts everywhere around me

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Annoys me hella hard

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I used fractal before I upgraded into an HP 370 tower case

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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SAME GROUNDUS

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Didn't like that it got thermals from the padding.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Bearz, what kind, it probably will be an upgrade tbh lmaoo

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I'll pay 😄

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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would have to DM

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against the rules to sell

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lmao

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Lmfao

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Mod breaking rules here 😜

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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oh noes

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Serious u read the roeles?

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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It really is just a i5-6600K

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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no deals are made! Of course we'd handle specifics in DM's

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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The motherboard is junk

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Low end Z170 boards were ass

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I have to look what she's running again, I think it's like a 4XXX or something

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Ouch.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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running on a B series board 😐

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with 6Gb of Ram D:

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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At least it's not the 6400K

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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and 5k RPM HDD's

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it's bad

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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If it were me I’d be slapping this cpu in an HTPC and build a road trip rig

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Damn thats rough

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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meanwhile I have an M.2, 1080ti and Ryzen 2600x lmao

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Wtf she even doing with her pc?

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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She does some streaming and video editing on it

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if it was just for browsing the internet and school work, it'd be fine

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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WOT

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Yah lmfao

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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but since she like actually uses it for real work, I feel bad

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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She needs a upgrade

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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You know, the most effective ITX, would be a metal box, half open both ends, everything angled laterally, and air flow straight through both ends.

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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BUT IN MY DEFENSE

sick reef Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Maybe I'd need a small powerbox.

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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At this point just let her use your setup

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Yea she needs more than just a 6600k too

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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she only just started and that PC I gave her is just the parts I had on hand

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I use mine daily for Unity Dev work lmao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Nice

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Oh for sure she does, cash is just tight since she's in between jobs so my income is floating everything

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Let her sneak those hours in when she dozes you away with some melatonin tea

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Lmfao

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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That’s fair

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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ideally when she get's a job, her paychecks are purely expendable income so we can splurge a bit

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hahaha

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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She doing freelance or actually job hunting?

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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she's doing job hunting

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Hope she lands something decent

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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she got laid off last year while in the middle of her masters degree

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Idk what country but those types of jobs can be rough to find a decent one of

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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so now she's in a weird spot for not being qualified w/o the masters degree, but overqualified because she's getting a master degree, so no one will hire her

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Yea i feel most people struggle with those types of things in my country tbh

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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but that's gonna be over in December so fingers crossed

dusty pumice Nov 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Either underqualified not enough work hours or overqualified

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I’m gonna bounce for a few hours. I have to pack to leave for a weekend expedition (haha yay....).

I hope she can find something soon!

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I don’t want to leave

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:17 PM

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lol thanks Bearz, have fun on your trip!

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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If it comes down to it lmk if you really think you want the i5. I’m gonna have it up until cyber monday and then I’ll no longer be using it

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Peace ✌️

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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awesome, I'll add you so we can DM about it should I want to pull the trigger!

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Ayyeee

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:19 PM

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and so I'm not breaking the rules I should be upholding

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😛

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Depending on how much the Dim-weight shipping is I may just let you have the whole thing minus my drives and gpu lmao

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Take care fellas!

mystic pasture Nov 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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😮 that would be such a huge help! We'll talk though

See ya!!

vapid folio Nov 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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@brisk badger I've got no idea as to what you're talking about and how to do it

vapid folio Nov 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Went into Device Manager and updated the drivers for my card, but Windows says it's the best option at the moment

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I am updating the AMD software

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Nah don’t use windows updating one

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Go to Adrenaline or whatever it’s called

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Windows’s searching for the new drivers majorly sucks

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it won’t get you the latest drivers

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@vapid folio

vapid crypt Nov 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I'm no expert on the subject, but I do know that Bios is separate from Driver. Basically its loaded from the hardware itself, where as drivers are strictly software based. I've never flashed the Bios on a videocard before, just a motherboard. Typically it isn't necessary, but sometimes manufacturers do release new Bios versions for video cards if there was a glitch caused by the first version... I guess?

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I didn't really read all the way back so I don't know what sort of problem you're having though

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Drivers allow the OS to communicate with the hardware.

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I mean, the only issue should be with the drivers tbh.

vapid crypt Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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That person November was talking to referred to flashing the bios which why I brought that up.

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 10:56 PM

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It should be the drivers for sure. I would highly doubt that it’s the bios

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I’m taking an IT course right now and we’re doing drivers currently

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Does anyone have any experience or information on this AiO?

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https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml240p-mirage-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835103289?Description=coolermaster mirage&cm_re=coolermaster_mirage-_-35-103-289-_-Product

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Finally something that's not Asetek

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

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eew AIOs

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

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wot

late sorrel Nov 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Bad

abstract kite Nov 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Entirely?

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I get the fans are garbo but AiOs can absorb heat a bit better than air

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heat spikes are smoothed out

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I'm this close to scrapping the AiO idea

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@late sorrel

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Stock or CM MA620whateverthefuckitscalled

late sorrel Nov 16, 2019, 12:10 AM

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AIOs suck though

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They are sometimes louder than air

abstract kite Nov 16, 2019, 12:11 AM

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No I mean

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The stock cooler for the 3700X

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or this shit

📎 cooler-master-ma620.png

late sorrel Nov 16, 2019, 12:11 AM

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yeah get a noctua or a be quiet! Cooler

abstract kite Nov 16, 2019, 12:12 AM

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This performs just as good as a DR4P tho

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lmao

vapid crypt Nov 16, 2019, 12:15 AM

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You don't necessarily need a monster sized cooler, but I mean its pretty good phaWesker

abstract kite Nov 16, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Go big or go home 😛

vapid folio Nov 16, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I'm on an NZXT Kraken M22

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It's okay

pallid cedar Nov 16, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Noctua NH-D15 ftw

fleet canopy Nov 16, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Of course

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:05 PM

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how big is that thing cause it looks about the size of a fist

late sorrel Nov 16, 2019, 8:05 PM

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I think it’s bigger than a fist

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:06 PM

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dose one need a huge to fit it

fleet canopy Nov 16, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Someone said they didn't expect a normal CPU cooler to be so big

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So it must be gigantic

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:23 PM

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so basic pc question but trying to remember when installing ram use the one and 2 slot paired as every other

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:25 PM

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you need to check the manual for you motherboard

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:25 PM

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and trying to remember if i can use slot 3 by itself, i have 2 new ram cards that are running but also want to use slot 3 with the one it came with

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:26 PM

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but it's likely the second slot away from the CPU and the last slot if you have a 2 channel kit

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if you have 3 channels

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I believe the 3rd stick goes in the 1st channel, ie the one closest to the CPU

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but you should really check your motherboard manual

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:27 PM

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📎 20191116_142704.jpg

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reason i ask is cause it came with the red card in the slot 3 where it came out of box

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:28 PM

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I'd assume the red stick should be in the other slot, not the one it's in

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yeah I mean, there's no standard that manufacturers are required to follow

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so we can give you advice based on what it's likely to be, but really that's not worth anything as it's specific to your motherboard

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that very well might be the right configuration

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:30 PM

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the motherboard has that diagram right above and thats throwing me off

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Ah I didn't notice that

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that's the diagram of which sticks go where

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that is what you follow

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given that, you have it set up correctly

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:31 PM

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it originaly came out of the box with the card in slot 2 and i added the new ones to slot 1 and 2 and put the red in slot 3 thats why im questioning it

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:32 PM

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do you not have the manual?

vivid sandal Nov 16, 2019, 8:32 PM

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it came with a digital one

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 8:32 PM

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there's a page in there that will literally tell you the positions for each configuration

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we actually can't tell you what sots to use since we do not have your motherboard lol

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Just go to the index or glossary

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look for the page on RAM or Memory

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it will have something in there with what to place where

north bronze Nov 16, 2019, 10:29 PM

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uhhhh

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you should remove the red stick

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@vivid sandal

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having different models of ram is bad

tawny tundra Nov 16, 2019, 10:47 PM

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^^^^^

urban gulch Nov 16, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Also, put pair slots in ever second.

tawny tundra Nov 16, 2019, 10:47 PM

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I never build with different ram chips

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that’s mostly for AMD but yeah

urban gulch Nov 16, 2019, 10:47 PM

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So if you got 2 ram sticks, put it in 1 & 3

tawny tundra Nov 16, 2019, 10:48 PM

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if it’s a recent build, 2/4 instead

urban gulch Nov 16, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Or 2&4

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Red Ram stick shouldn’t matter too much, as long as it’s not a dual one

mystic pasture Nov 16, 2019, 11:16 PM

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in general it's not the greatest to mix ram sticks from different kits, but it's not going to make a significant enough performance hit to outweigh the benefits of having more ram

copper zealot Nov 17, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Regardless of mix or brand, ram will run at the slowest speed available from whatever is in place

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It is not ideal to have mixed sticks yes, do unfortunately lots of people do it yes.

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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oh thank you

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good to know

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 4:38 AM

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they are all ddr4 running 3000mhz

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:35 AM

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is anyone up

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im trying to do the first boot up of the pc and my monitor wont register it

fleet canopy Nov 17, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Hm

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:39 AM

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looking over what came in the box its got a motherboard drivers disk but no disk drive\

fleet canopy Nov 17, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Eh I dunno

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:42 AM

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eh thanks at least for looking, might have to call the cyberpower hotline but that means waiting till monday

wet sleet Nov 17, 2019, 7:45 AM

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@vivid sandal Is your monitor plugged in the gpu or your motherboard

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:46 AM

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gpu

wet sleet Nov 17, 2019, 7:46 AM

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is it powered?

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everything connected to it?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:47 AM

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fans are spinning and has the lights on

wet sleet Nov 17, 2019, 7:48 AM

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try removing it and plugging your monitor to your motherboard

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if it turns on there might be something wrong with your gpu

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or maybe your motherboard is on the wrong port

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idk

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i gotta sleep anyways sorry

mystic pasture Nov 17, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Just as a backup, did you plug power into your GPU from the PSU? I forgot that the first time I built a PC and had the same issue

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I would test the monitor with a console or something else that definitely works to help isolate the problem

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It could be a bunk GPU too, usually I'd suggest trying an old GPU but that won't help here 😅

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Could be anything tbh

mystic pasture Nov 17, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Or actually, as marvin suggested, if you plug it into your mother board and it works, the bios might be incorrectly set to use the motherboards video out as default. You can change that to the video card, but you'd have to check online or in your manual for where in the bios to do that

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I tried scrolling up did he put together all the parts for the computer today?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:57 AM

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this is a pre build out of the box and checking all the stuff but also cant get the mouse or key to run

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Well if its a prebuilt it shouldnt be any issues with the GPU to be fair but you never know

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:57 AM

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monitor is one have been using for better part of a year

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Mhm

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Did you order the PC online or at a local store?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 7:58 AM

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best buy\

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also have a good sleep

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trying the mouse in a diffrent usb port it powers up for a sec but then goes ded

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think thats a driver issue but cant really fix it till it finaly boots up

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Did you put in new ram today?

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Im stil scrolling back up to read the chat back

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:05 AM

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got pc earlier today prebuild of the box only thing ive done is put new ram cards in but double checked the motherbord info and says its right

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:05 AM

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Ok might be that you didnt put them in correctly

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:06 AM

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?

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:07 AM

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If thats all that you did today and its a prebuilt it can be that you didnt put them in correctly or pushed down hard enough on the sticks

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Just open the RAM clips again and push down on the ram sticks

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:24 AM

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re did it again still nothing

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Stil the same issue with the mouse and the monitor?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:28 AM

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yep

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:29 AM

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U tried plugging it into motherboard too?

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The monitor

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:29 AM

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it seems to register they are there but no impute

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Like recommended before

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:30 AM

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yup

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:32 AM

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If it has the same problem with the monitor plugged into the motherboard only thing i can say is try it without the RAM you bought today and boot it up see if it stil has the same issue

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If it does i would just go back to best buy on monday and see whats up

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 AM

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sadness

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 AM

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😭

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@sick reef Might be able to help if hes around

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Do you have a VGA screen?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@dusty pumice it worked

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the ram must be faulty

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Yeah, unsupported ram, perhaps then.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Yeah

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Or faulty

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Or not installed correctly

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Well, there's a third option

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You said you had 3 ram slots?

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And you put only your new ram in?

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If you put three slots in, it might not boot because of that.

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:40 AM

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oh wait

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:40 AM

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If you only put in the new RAM, you almost have to CMOS reset, even maybe a few times, to make it work

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:41 AM

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📎 unknown.png

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Four sockets, then.

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:41 AM

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i was using b but in line 1 and 2 but need to use 3 and 4

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:42 AM

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You need to use 2 and 4

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For channel A

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:42 AM

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dumb mistake

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Either 2-4 or 1-3

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It's almost always set up like that.

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Setting it 2-3, 1-4, 1-2, can boot, but most often won't.

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Also that you most likely will need to CMOS reset once or twice.

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It's also run the memories in single channel, as seperate rams completely almost.

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 8:47 AM

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thankyou

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:48 AM

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We all good now?

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:48 AM

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It works fine?

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I have sat so many hours just trouble shooting, over and over, to simply fall over fundamental things like that.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:50 AM

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I done simple things like that before too

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Had a friend who I gave RAM, who sat one RAM in one channel, then tried to boot, once on every channel, then put in RAM in all four channels, and it strictly wouldn't boot until he had done that.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Its easy to make mistakes especially when you been working all day on a setup

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:51 AM

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If he just put RAM in all four channels it ignored it completely.

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But he could have also forgot to CMOS reset, because what he practically did for the motherboard is scramble its HW setup, probably making the HW registry reset.

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As said, I've booted an extreme SSD on the PCH, choking its bandwith, giving me a false pretense as of why it won't boot. Probably spent a good 8 hours on that problem in total.
I've broken a riser cable, as to give me a false pretense on what worked and didn't. Spent around 13 hours total on that problem before I found it.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Damn thats rough

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Accidental silicone on the CPU, took 3 hours to decide to take apart it all, took 40 minutes to take apart, 40 minutes to put back together.

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It's just how you learn.

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You try everything until everything doesn't work, so you try something else until it does.

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Frustrating, but the end result is one less problem.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Yeah in his case tho it was a complete pre build system so it was a small chance to have any other issues than the ram he installed today

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 9:00 AM

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You never know. Prebuilts often don't have issues, but they can really have issues.

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Fundamental ones, in that case.

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Well thanks for the help labcat, imma go relax a bit more since i have a birthday soon with 30 - 10 year olds lmfao

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 9:01 AM

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ye we good gonna try the ram in the right channels this time

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thank you\

dusty pumice Nov 17, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Yeah ofcourse there can be problems but then i would usually just advice to make use of the warranty or just return the system to the store and replace it with another

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Yeah

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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bonus that the ram is working

sick reef Nov 17, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Is something wrong, or is it working A-Okay?

vivid sandal Nov 17, 2019, 9:36 AM

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nope all is running perfect

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just transfering files over to the new one and getting the stuff want to play first

kindred forge Nov 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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i think i did a good job finding pc parts on amazon imma basically gut this rig im using and put it in the case im getting and i already have another psu

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vapid crypt Nov 17, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Do you have an SSD already, cause I will always strongly recommend one.

manic matrix Nov 17, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Helped my son with a Ryzen build recently and we had a weird issue with the ram too. Turns out Ryzen is kind of picky. The speeds were different and the motherboard wasn’t sure what to do. Took about 4 hours before we tried it with just 2 sticks that matched. Once we knew it was the RAM, we went into the bios and forced the speed to be the same and the bsod went away.

late sorrel Nov 17, 2019, 10:17 PM

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yeah that’s ryzen for you

copper zealot Nov 18, 2019, 4:03 AM

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BigChi, were the ram speeds different because you were mixing models and trying XMP?

empty heart Nov 18, 2019, 9:37 AM

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I would bump up the ram speed to 3400-3600, get a smaller case. Something more mid size. (I have that case and unless you're water cooling, it's got a lot of empty space) and get an SSD if you can.

empty heart Nov 18, 2019, 9:55 AM

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(The picture was what I was responding to)

vapid crypt Nov 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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If you stick with that ram, I have the same exact pair myself: It will not run at 3000mhz (At least not with Zen+); it won't go higher than 2933. Its fine though cause for Zen+ 2933 is 1:1 ratio. Personally I was able to tighten all the timings down using Dram calc, so its slightly more responsive as a 3200mhz kit running at CL 16 which I believe is the sweet spot speed for Zen+ before diminishing returns occur.

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But yeah if you can swing it get a 3200 kit and tighten the timings, I believe 3200 at CL 14 is just as responsive as 3600 at CL 16 or something. From what I understand if you want lower Latency, you have to sacrifice clock speeds to get it. So a 3600 kit running at CL 16 is damn good and likely really expensive phaWesker

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 4:27 PM

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3200C14 = 3600C16 in the infinity fabric yes

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price? differs a lot more

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3600C16 is cheaper

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I got my 2x8GB 3600C16 for 90E + 15E shipping

brisk badger Nov 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Higher RAM speed isn't always better. it's a mixture of Cas latency and raw frequency which gives you the real latency the ram has. That means a 3600MHz can have a higher delay than RAM with 3000MHz

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E.G

DDR4 3000MHz, 15 Cas Latency = 10 nanoseconds delay
DDR4 3800MHz, 20 Cas Latency = 10 nanoseconds delay

both are the same

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3200C14 = 8.75 nanoseconds delay
3600C16 = 8.88 nanoseconds delay

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 5:53 PM

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both apparently have the same perf for ryzen

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but lower cas latency is more expensive

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to the point where 3600c16 is cheaper and probably a better option

brisk badger Nov 18, 2019, 6:03 PM

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the performance is always in the end how much delay the ram has (doesn't matter on the CPU or architecture). The example above shows both and the difference of .13 nanoseconds so minimal you can easily go with the 3600c16 and not worry that the other is faster

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I meant according to this chart @brisk badger

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📎 TravisK_DonW-Next_Horizon_Gaming-Ryzen_Deep_Dive_06092019-page-017.png

brisk badger Nov 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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can I have the source of that picture? I must say I am not familiar with the newest AMD lineup and their memory chip but stuff seems odd, especially the high memory latency shown in the picture

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no it might be correct as far as the true latency goes

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super highspeed ram in most cases is not better and rather a pain to maintain

kindred forge Nov 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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yes the case and hdd are gunna be used 4 a second computer im keeping my current case psu and ssd and hdd that i have now and using them with the upgrades

bitter dragon Nov 18, 2019, 7:40 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TgGxcq This is what I have so far. Any suggestions?

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Get some 3200C14 or 3600C16, you've currently got some 3200C16 which won't perform as well with the ryzen's infinity fabric @bitter dragon

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@brisk badger don't remember, p sure it's from the ryzen 3000 series reveal

bitter dragon Nov 18, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Any suggestion as to which? Im hitting the edge of my budget here

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Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz is what I found?

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 8:22 PM

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I've got these and they work perf https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc

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@bitter dragon

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and they're just about the same price

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you'll need to enable XMP though

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which should be fine with a 3700X anyway

bitter dragon Nov 18, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Okay. Otherwise it's an alright build? The 3600 to 3700x seemed alright as a jump. 3700x to 3800x not so much.

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 9:26 PM

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3800X is a useless upgrade from a 3700X

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3700X is awesome, got it, works great

little steeple Nov 18, 2019, 9:55 PM

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How much better in 1core is the 3700X Vs the 2700X?

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@north bronze XMP for AMD is called DOCP.

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That can confuse people looking for XMP in BIOS.

vapid crypt Nov 18, 2019, 9:56 PM

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The IPC increase was said to be about a 13% improvement I believe

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 9:56 PM

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it's still called XMP in my AM4's BIOS ¯_(ツ)_/¯

little steeple Nov 18, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Hmmm, then why is it called DOCP on my ASUS board, is that something unique to ASUS?

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That's it?

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 9:57 PM

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apparently yup

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little steeple Nov 18, 2019, 9:58 PM

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So it wouldn't be worth to go from a 2700X to a 3700X, maybe going from a 2700X to a 3950X would be worth it, if they aren't crazy expensive later on.

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My ASUS board is trash, anyways, so that dosn't surprise me.

vapid crypt Nov 18, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Yeah more cores is the way to go as far as upgrading goes it looks like

little steeple Nov 18, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Well, let's hope that you don't have to neuter the core count to run games on it, like the first and second generation 16-core threadrippers.

north bronze Nov 18, 2019, 10:00 PM

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doubt it

vapid crypt Nov 18, 2019, 10:00 PM

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From what I've heard about it, that isn't the case

little steeple Nov 18, 2019, 10:01 PM

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It should be possible to park cores, or focus them on other proccesses in the background and hide them from older applications, so that it dosn't cause problems on applications that can't utilize more than, say, 2 cores.

cobalt hound Nov 19, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Does a a8 9600 bottleneck on a rx 570?

oblique latch Nov 19, 2019, 6:32 AM

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is it worth grabbing a rtx 2070 super over the standard card?

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i'm definitely getting one or the other but i don't know if the price for upgrade is worth for super

vapid crypt Nov 19, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I think the Super is around 10-15% better, Personally I don't think its worth the extra money.

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As for the A8 9600, its hard to say. I know its Bristol Ridge, so same socket as Ryzen and not nearly as fast. So if you can swing it and you don't mind a quad core; you could pick up an R3 1200 or something like that. That will fair better with a 570 for sure.

cobalt hound Nov 19, 2019, 6:54 AM

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I think i will buy a r9 270 and leave it there because i cant find anything better

abstract kite Nov 19, 2019, 6:57 AM

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@oblique latch https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/4048vs4029

oblique latch Nov 19, 2019, 7:08 AM

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yeah, i'm not quite going for over 144 so i ain't gonna splurge

abstract kite Nov 19, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Thats fair

tawny tundra Nov 20, 2019, 5:02 AM

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not getting a 5700

fleet canopy Nov 20, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Hm

urban gulch Nov 21, 2019, 11:23 AM

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@regal robin Please DM the @rugged notch

regal robin Nov 21, 2019, 11:23 AM

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how do i DM?

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sorry new to discord haha

urban gulch Nov 21, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Right click on the @rugged notch

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and press Message.

regal robin Nov 21, 2019, 11:26 AM

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@urban gulch Tnx

urban gulch Nov 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

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np 🙂

vocal mist Nov 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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what are min specs for the game?

vapid crypt Nov 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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That hasn't really been announced, but they have stated that the computers that they captured trailer footage for and optimized the game on was 4th gen i7s and GTX 970s; though that's more of a reflection of recommended not minimum

stoic gulch Nov 21, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Guys, how get the key?

urban gulch Nov 21, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Dm the @rugged notch with the following message:
!key your@email.com alpha

stoic gulch Nov 21, 2019, 10:25 PM

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@urban gulch thanks

urban gulch Nov 21, 2019, 10:26 PM

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np

still crane Nov 22, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Hello, i wanted to upgrade my setup a bit since the game struggled a bit on my computer and I wanted some advices for chosing which part will have a better impact (i'm trying to change the less componnent possible due to budget). Should I upgrade my CPU (I5-4590 3.30) or my GPU (GTX 960 strix) and if I change them should I change other componnents as well ? Thanks :)

neon jetty Nov 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

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if you change your cpu you will need to change your motherboard and ram. à

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whether your choice you will be bottleneck by the rest of your equipment

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Kind of an all of nothing situation I guess

still crane Nov 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I see thank you

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Is it bad if I always keep my GPU fans at 88% Speed?

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Isn't that pretty loud?

distant zodiac Nov 22, 2019, 4:54 PM

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in this time game work?(i have alpha in account)

blissful marten Nov 22, 2019, 4:55 PM

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No, keep an eye on #game-announcements

distant zodiac Nov 22, 2019, 5:06 PM

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thanks)

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:03 PM

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@chrome chasm Yes, it is bad for them. Create an aggressive custom fan curve for the card that allows the fans to spin up and down. Running the fans at damn near 100% all the time will kill them, as they're only rated for so many hours at stock curve.

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You also run the risk of single fan failures and creating hideous coil whine.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Yes I do run an aggressive custom curve. When I game it's mostly always at 80-90%

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otherwise it stay at 64%

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Okay, so you asked it running them at 80%+ all the time would damage them. That's slightly high for idle. What are your idle temps like?

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I agree with legion but not that high fan speed create coil whine

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:06 PM

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If the bearings in the fans are anything but fluid, it'll burn the lubrication off of the spindle.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:06 PM

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44 Celcius idle. 60 to 90 C while gaming, depending on the game.

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I think rule of thumb: 75% is the max for the fan, for the long term

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:06 PM

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44C is actually high for idle, ESPECIALLY with 64% fan speed.

urban gulch Nov 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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^

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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but that's not coil whine

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Maybe take the heatsink off of it and check the TIM, or just replace it.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Could try it.

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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The loss of the lubricant on the spindle causes there to be an air gap bethween the rod and the driver, causing it to vibrate. Yes, that IS coil whine.

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I've seen it happen before.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I got no whine atm. Just that over the years my gou keep getting hotter

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Be careful though, most GPU's are finnicky about mounting pressure when you put the heatsink back on it : Do NOT ccrank the mounting screws all the way down.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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And eventually crash at 95C

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Yeah, my guess is that the TIM is rock-solid and not doing it's job.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Alright. I do tgat in a few minute

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Thanks Legion.

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:13 PM

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No problem. Also, Isopropyl alcohol is your best friend when removing gunk TIM, just be cautious of what you're doing with it.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:15 PM

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If I do not have access to isopropyl alcohol. What the best way to removing it? Also doing CPU at the same time.

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:15 PM

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You don't have Rubbing Alcohol?

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Nope

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I just go buy a bottle then XD

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I tend to go above and beyond, so I'll take Q-tips, and very slowly and carefully remove it small amounts at a time. for the CPU, the absolute WORST thing that can happen is you get some of that paste in the socket, and short either the CPU, or your motherboard out. With the GPU, you can be a little less precise, as the chip is soldered directly onto the fiberglass PCboard.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Alright, yay my PC is long overdue for a cleaning and fresh TIM. Been almost 6 years without a single change.

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Yeah, no wonder your hardware is high-temp idling. That TIM gonna be crust.

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Are you running an Intel CPU?

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Yes, I7-6600k

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Okay, so clean the crust off of the CPU lid, and the brace, then remove the ccpu to clean it further, if necessary. AMD is easier to clean because of the fact that there's very little spacing between the bottom of the CPU and the socket itself.

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Plus, ya know, AMD's archaic straight pin design.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Gotcha. Closing the PC now. Got alcohol to buy and a PC to take down. Hopefully I won't screw up XD

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Take your time. The worst thing you can do is panic.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I would not worry to much about that. Thanks again Legion.

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:24 PM

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No problem. I'm here on every day that ends in a "y"

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:24 PM

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thermal paste is usually not electrically conductive, so it can't short any device

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Stop talking. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. 90% of modern TIM's have small metal particles in it.

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:25 PM

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and can you show me that?

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I shorted out a 4690K with Artic 7(which is labelled as non-metal)

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:27 PM

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most thermal paste are electrically insulating and those which are not usually have a proper warning or information on it

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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So you'd be willing to test that out?

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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i worked with computers for many years and emptied many thermal paste tubes

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i never had any shortening

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i don't know what happened in your scenario but you can google things up yourself

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same goes for coil whine

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Yeah, 20 years of computing here. I've lost count of how many computers I've built since 1999. That was actually one of my biggest mistakes. Just slightly too much paste on the lid, and the pressure from the waterblock forced it down into the socket and the CPU wouldn't start.

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:31 PM

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ever opened a gpu fan? or a notebook heatsink? never seen the generous amount of paste sticking out everywhere from some manufactures?

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Maybe you should google what coil whine is, because it doesn't JUST apply to voltage suppliers. The fluctuating voltage supplied to the magnetic drivers causes them to whine if there isn't enough lubrication between the spindle and the housing.

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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i doubt they would use electrically inductive thermal paste for their production

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you should show me a link, cause I can't fine any showing that 😉

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:33 PM

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It can also cause the fan to wobble, increasing the chance it will slam into whatever's around it.

brisk badger Nov 22, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I know what you mean, I just never heard it under that expression

little steeple Nov 22, 2019, 6:34 PM

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The terminology may be slightly off, but you know what I mean.

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Even Artic's Ceramique was shown to have tiny metal particles in it.

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At any rate, getting TIM between the CPU and the socket will cause you to have a very bad time.

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

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@little steeple New idle temp, 40 C

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Saw a comment on requiring a CPU upgrade, only question I have, is it required to have a new motherboard every time you upgrade CPU or can I just replace with another CPU with same socket? Like upgrading from a lower end AM4 CPU to a more powerful AM4 CPU

urban gulch Nov 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Same socket works.

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Ah alright. Because every time someone mentions a CPU upgrade, the next thing I see is to upgrade motherboard so I thought maybe not

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

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In the case of AM4, depending on what motherboard you have and what cpu you plan to get you may need to update the BIOS on the motherboard

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But that's the only concern

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Yeah I do know of the BIOS update for Ryzen 3000 series for most B450 boards

late sorrel Nov 22, 2019, 10:11 PM

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yeah the thing is is that you generally need a board update in regard to Intel

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

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They kinda force you to get a new board every other generation I think, even if the socket is the same. And the only reason is probably just to sell more motherboards.

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 10:23 PM

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kek

urban gulch Nov 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

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no lmao

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

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The companies making the boards aren't even related to NVIDIA

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They are their own company, not in association with any other ones

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Intel/AMD*

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I have 1 brain cell

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 10:29 PM

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They certainly get a cut phaSheva

late sorrel Nov 22, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Intel gives them money

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to make boards

fleet canopy Nov 22, 2019, 10:34 PM

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But are they teamed with Intel? No

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The company that makes Intel boards also makes AMD boards

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They work for themselves pretty much

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I know AMD, and Nvidia refer to them as "Board Partners" because they make motherboards and in the case of Nvidia PCBs based on their specification. So generally they're working with each other and splitting profits, that's how business partners work. I would think its the same with Intel, seems like that's been the usual practice forever.

north bronze Nov 22, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Does the RX 5700XT support 144hz VR gaming? Valve Index 👀

radiant garnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Why wouldn't it?

north bronze Nov 22, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Just wondering if it can handle it smoothly

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I'm thinking about jumping into VR development, and I also want to play HLA mmLul

chrome chasm Nov 22, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Damn that new TIM on my GPU really did wonder. Gaming and never got above 45 C when I always get 70 C +

radiant garnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:07 PM

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As always, it will depend on the game and settings and headset (resolution). All GPUs support 100s of fps if given a light enough load.

north bronze Nov 22, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Most VR games are performance intensive tho

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Since they have to render the same scene twice

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I'm really asking because I keep hearing that AMD cards suck for VR

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Which surprises me

radiant garnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:09 PM

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But 'all VR games' are all supposed to work with an AMD 480/Nvidia 980 or faster IIRC, and the 5700xt is significantly faster, so it should be fine.

north bronze Nov 22, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Aight

vapid crypt Nov 22, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Those are min requirements now, at least going by the new Valve Index requirements

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1070+ is what they recommend now it seems

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Which yeah the 5700XT is a good bit faster than

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Which speaking of the Valve Index, it uses 120hz screens; is there a VR set that uses 144hz screens?

late sorrel Nov 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Not that I’ve seen.

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I think the Starbreeze one might have it

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StarVR

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nah

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that’s just 5K

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Star vr is put in to thermosleep lulWut

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and is in development limbo thanks to the sea of legal issues,

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I remember it from when it was not dead

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and it seemed pretty cool

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all the reviews from gamescom liked it

abstract tulip Nov 23, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Yeah, its not dead just in development limbo,

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 12:06 AM

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same thing

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Should this be happening?

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Well we can't play anyway

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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uh

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no it shouldn’t

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but

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Why does my graphics card keep crashing my computer?

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Because it’s not good enough?

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you have a old one right?

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

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No, it runs most games fine

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e.g. Fallout 4 on high/ultra

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R9 Fury

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most

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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It probably doesn’t support Dx11

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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The first parts of the new build are in!

Only for me to take them back... Apparently I can get 15% off everything I buy at Micro Center if I apply for a Wells Fargo credit card. 🙃 Guess I’ll take em back and rebuy them along with everything else I need... since I’m saving $120 with just returning these.

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late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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or whatever it needs

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Maybe

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Nice^

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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oh my

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that’s worth it though

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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And I'm here trying to save for a fucking 590

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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i have a 570

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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This was a damn good chip too. Made in Mayasia and not fuckn China.

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I’m going to explicitly ask for one not from china

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Do it

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Oh and November I’ve been saving up for this moment... for a long ass time.

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That’s the only reason I can afford it lmao

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Wack

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I'd rather go for a whole new PC because mine is kinda shit

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One of my RAM sticks shit itself

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My 3770 is not adequate

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All I want is a 2600 and 16gb RAM

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Everything is so expensive in Australia

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At least we have free healthcare...

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I have a 2600 :)

bronze cloak Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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“Free” healthcare made up for by taxes

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Also cute protogen

vapid folio Nov 23, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Good use of tax money

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cries in 30%

abstract kite Nov 23, 2019, 3:52 AM

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@bronze cloak up top
👏

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Hm

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So I'm gonna get a GPU hopefully this Black Friday

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And my brother tells me to get a GTX 1080

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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yeah he’s kinda right

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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True

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1080 is still neat

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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if you can nab one for the same price as a 5700XT I’d go for it

fleet canopy Nov 23, 2019, 5:02 AM

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And sales might get it cheaper than a 5700 XT

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Maybe I can nab a 1080 Ti if I'm lucky, hah

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But it surely can't be refurbished

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Think I might be lucky for a good sale on any of the RTX 2000 series?

late sorrel Nov 23, 2019, 5:07 AM

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maybe