#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk | GTFO | Page 33

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I wonder, do WIFI motherboards come with antennas?

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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antennas?

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like those 5m things in the air?

dense wasp Sep 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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haha, the small ones

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and yeah they usually do if they support it

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:04 AM

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onboard though i think

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not like usb-wifi stuffs

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Looks like the motherboard has two antennas slots just like my wifi card so I suppose they do come with some

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payroll hits on the 1st, I'm hyped, won't be able to buy everything but at least I'll still have a beginning :^)

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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haha

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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The big problem is going to be the Ryzen 9 3900X 😦

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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"payroll hits on the 1st, I'm hyped! I won't buy anything though."

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😂

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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It's still quite out of stock, and waaaay overpriced on Amazon

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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it's like being happy to get money, but not actually spending it

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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I should be able to have the complete PC in December :^)

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could get it earlier than that, but I want to pay for my driver's license first

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 10:07 AM

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ah okay

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Why not just buy the whole rig in December?

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Or even after the B550 motherboards release?

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Not wrong tbh

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One thing I will purchase asap is the 3900X

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because it's just about out of stock everywhere :/

fleet canopy Sep 27, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Or buy most of what you can on Black Friday/Sales whenever?

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Don’t have to wait December for it Kek

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Whoah 3900x?

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Nice

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or maybe 3950x?

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Is the Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super AORUS any good?

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It looks great and also has three HDMI ports 👀

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@fiery nacelle I was going to get a 3950X instead but I think it's overkill for my build, and I'd probably need to get a better mobo for that

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 1:56 PM

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From a pricepoint, 3950X isn't really worth it. In contrast to performance gained, versus spending it on anything else.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 1:56 PM

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yeah

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 2:31 PM

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I wonder if the Dark Pro 4 cooler would support me installing a vertical GPU bracket

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idk how big it is 👀

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Look it up.

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Easiest way to know is to measure it out yourself.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 2:35 PM

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If it doesn't I'll just choose another cooler 👀

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Might as well make my build sexy

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Hmm tons of negative reviews about the GPU riser cable being defective :/

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Which cable?

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 2:40 PM

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CoolerMaster's Vertical GPU kit

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and looks like it's also a ton of other brands with that issue

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are gpu riser cables just that bad or wut

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Well, not fully, but yeah, CoolerMaster's ain't great. Managed to break mine when I was setting my computer up.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 2:41 PM

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fudge

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guess I gotta buy a premium cable to go with it?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I use Phantek's one that supported PCIe 3.0 16x, with minimal loss, and it works still, so for me it's good enough.

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CoolerMaster's cable probably works, but don't bend it too much.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 2:44 PM

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aight

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 2:50 PM

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The problem with a riser is that you're putting a joint between the card and the MB, and that is a possible failpoint. As well as that some of those cables are extremely stiff, and sensitive.

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Took me a lot of hours the realise the riser was bad.

late sorrel Sep 27, 2019, 2:56 PM

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why would you want to use a riser

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:08 PM

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I have to, myself.

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But some use it for aestethics. Some use it to switch around with the space in the case.

late sorrel Sep 27, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Why do you have to use a riser?

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Is your case too thin?

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 3:20 PM

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@late sorrel Vertical GPU mounts use them

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:21 PM

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ITX SFF too

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some

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Well, Tinted, I have to use them because I use a HP Proliant M370 Gen1 case, and it wasn't designed for a motherboard for a modern computer at all.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I think I'm going to replace the Dark Rock Pro 4 with something a little bit more sexy, any recommendations? (for a Ryzen 9 3900X)

chrome chasm Sep 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Anyone know when can we expect DDR5 Ram?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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It actually has around 1.5cm long stands, 5 of them, one with a thumbscrew, that you would slot the motherboard into.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Noctua NH-C14s?

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or was it C12s

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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They also sit symmetrically around the edges of the motherboard.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 3:26 PM

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perhaps something a little bit more RGB @fiery nacelle ?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:28 PM

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probably replace the fan of the NH-C14s with a high performance RGB one

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Virtue of a downdraft cooler is the fan is shown fully

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facing the side panel (best if tempered glass)

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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so wait I can just take the fan off and fit in another fan? How does that work 👀

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Never understood people who go flashy with their car or PC.

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But seems like a few people's trend.

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Tbh, I really didn't care about RGB either, but you know, when you put the money in for a beast of a build and half of your components are gonna be RGB anyway, might as well complete it

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:30 PM

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If I choose, from a pricepoint, between looks and performance, I choose performance, almost regardless.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:30 PM

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📎 NH-C14S_01.png

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Just replace the stock fans with 140mm rgb ones

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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My computer costs around 4k, and it has no RGB. It has a few leds, mostly of practical purpose.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@chrome chasm DDR5 could be going for desktop users circa 2021

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@sick reef Yours is a server type PC?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:32 PM

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No? pythonk

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High-tier enthusiast parts.

urban gulch Sep 27, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Same hugs

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Although not my primary pc

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I only have one PC, but I am considering a cheap Laptop for youtube in bed.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 3:34 PM

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why cram it into a HP Proliant case?

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it's E-ATX board kinda I suppose?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I wanted to, and could, and did.

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I got the case for free, and wanted a full metal case for my computer.

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It used a proprietary MB for HP.

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#media-and-memes

late sorrel Sep 27, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@north bronze I know what they are, but why would you want one?

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Don't they raise thermals?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:00 PM

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What are you on about, Tinted?

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Are you still talking about Risers, because it feels as if you're talking about graphite pads.

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Feels like next statement would be that it also raises gas prices, and cucks you with your wife.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:12 PM

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it's about Vertical GPU mounts

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yes, it will raise thermals in a closed off side panel case

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYrvexML-U

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but it depends from case to case

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Cases which have sufficient space and slots to mount the GPU a significant distance away from a closed off side panel will not see much of a difference

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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So it won't raise the temperature, it's the airflow itself that would decide thonk

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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like the CM H500

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:16 PM

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And if you have watercooling, it means jack? Thunk

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Quite a lot of users aren't that savvy around the airflow planning

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so a traditional setup serves them well

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especially new builders, etc

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:17 PM

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No, of course. But my rule of thumb is that if you have issues, you get a few 36mm delta's and hot glue them to place.

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Then you won't have airflow issues anymore.

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thinkingstars

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:17 PM

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for cases that can support that solution

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I mean, hot glue is adaptable.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:18 PM

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what we have that is popular here are a lot of closed off poorly ventilated cases

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cheap for sure

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:18 PM

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And thinking that fans only need to be inside the case is also false.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:18 PM

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but all that bling with the tempered glass

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I guess most people don't have the patience, will, or skill to fix their own solution, but most issues are easily solvable.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:19 PM

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cases from lesser known manufacturers like Tecware, Segotep, 1stPlayer, Magnum, etc.

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:19 PM

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A case is just a metal box, and metal can be manipulated.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:20 PM

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it's the effort and skill that most do not want to go through

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Of course.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:20 PM

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well more like 99.9% do not want

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case modders are a niche

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to each their own I suppose

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:21 PM

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At least. No, a riser will not increase your temperature, UNLESS you get a bad riser, that when performing increases temperature due to bottlenecking or the like, of itself.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Nah

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it's not the riser

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it's the poor selection of cases

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Or poor airflow in the setup when a riser is used.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:22 PM

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these risers are finicky too

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Some are. Some are not. Don't bend it, and most will do fine.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:22 PM

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a lot would not work with PCIe 4.0 cards like Navi

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Well, yeah

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Don't think there is a PCIe 4.0 riser available at all right now.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:23 PM

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for the time, users will have to remember to set the motherboard to PCIe 3.0

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but the 1st boot - will require plug in the GPU direct to the motherboard?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Or just don't get Navi.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:24 PM

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that's limiting options for some

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Not really, if there's Nvidia cards around still running fine on PCIe 3.0?

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thonk

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:24 PM

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It's preference

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Some will still buy Intel despite all the security flaws - similar

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Yeah, but if you decide that you actively want to shoot yourself in the leg, then go ahead.

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Just don't expect pity.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 PM

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exactly my point with Intel

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it's just the risks they have to take

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Not comparable.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:25 PM

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yes worse in Intel's case

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:29 PM

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So, okay. Let's say it's comparable that if you are to use a riser setup with a PCIe 4.0 card but you know you will have issues because risers aren't available for PCie 4.0, and you chose to take the risk, is comparable to that 2 different processor manufacturers have different issues regarding safety.
Where is the part where the entire brand is an active choice to get issues, assuming here that 99.9% won't get these specific issues to begin with, or be exploited in that manner, do you compare to that you create a problem in all situations that it exists by choosing a specific setup, at this very time?

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Or is it just a logical fallacy?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:30 PM

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are we sure 99.9% won't be subject to such exploits

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whilst how many of PC population actually use risers?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Are you sure that a 100% failure rate is comparable to anything else?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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and of those who use risers are those who usually KNOW what they are getting into

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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So you agree, it is not comparable?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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already agreed - Intel's security vulnerabilities are much worse off

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Or do you need a cloth, or a ladder, to get out of the corner you're trying to paint yourself into.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:32 PM

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no choice in these areas for existing users

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but for new PC users - it's a risk they choose to take

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a much worse risk than simple riser PCIe 4.0 motherboard settings

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:33 PM

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So you're saying that it is not comparable because you just pull intel out of your ass when the discussion technically was that Nvidia was the alternative to the AMD card to not get a specific issue?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Intel out of my ass?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:33 PM

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That was, you know

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Navi specific.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Are these security vulnerabilities a myth?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Is it comparable?

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I'll assume you'll say no, as you said it earlier, just not with that word.

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Then I'll follow it up

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Is it relevant?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:35 PM

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You said: Or just don't get Navi.
I said: Yes it's a user preference, just like any Intel user has chosen for themself

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I merely just referenced Intel as an example

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nothing more nothing less

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why so serious?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:35 PM

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I said just don't get navi because it was a navi specific issue.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:35 PM

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why not to get Navi if it is a simple motherboard setting?

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the solution to that cannot be simply limited to - oh don't get this at all

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:36 PM

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How many typical end users know how to configure bios, if we return to that earlier clause.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:36 PM

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how many typical end users USE riser cables

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Few.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:36 PM

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of those that do - most would know what they are getting into

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almost none here I can say

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:37 PM

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But the problem would still be solved, or not even occur, if you don't use Navi.

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That is the main point.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:37 PM

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example - no security issues if we do not buy Intel

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I concur with your point

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Then, we go through how many it effects.

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How many would have to go into bios to use a riser with a navi card.

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How many have had breaches using intel, compared obviously to everyone who has all intel.

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Rough estimate on a percentage.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:38 PM

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are we saying it is ok to leave the vulnerabilities in place JUST BECAUSE an exploit is yet to come

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are we condoning this for future chip making practices

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 PM

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They don't. Or they actively try not to.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 PM

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who?

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why should I believe

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Are we saying it's okay to force PCIe 3.0 on the card that uses PCIe 4.0 JUST BECAUSE it's not supported?

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The argument is silly.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:39 PM

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risers aren't officially supported my dear

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Did I say officially supported?

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Or write, technically.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:40 PM

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so who forced?

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AMD?

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mobo manufacturers?

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who?

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user?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:41 PM

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are we condoning future AMD and mobo making practices?

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TO DO THIS

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:41 PM

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noone officially supports risers

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who is forcing?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:41 PM

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None of intel's security flaws are active choices.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:41 PM

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even worse

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an act of omission

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sloppy work

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Are you silly, or just trying to act daft?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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answer me - who is forcing?

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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People don't mess up these things for fun or on purpose, same with any manufacturer of software.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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negligence is not an excuse

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of course noone puts vulnerabilities in for shits and giggles

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:43 PM

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The reasoning is abhorrent. Strawman on strawman. I understand that you don't like them, and you have found probably sound argument to do so. But Not all manufacturers are without security flaws.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:44 PM

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even AMD has them yes

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:44 PM

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But we look the other way on that?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I don't necessarily like or dislike Intel

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But 15 security flaws vs 233 is glaring

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Are we supposed to be retributional against specific brands because they are more popular and more in use, thus more prone to attacks, and research, or is apple clearly the better brand because security through obscurity?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:46 PM

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at the end - it's the results and reputation that matters in the eyes of corporate and consumers

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whatever the reason or excuse may be - deliver the results

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:47 PM

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So Intel is best?

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I don't understand

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:48 PM

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If Intel cannot manage their security vulnerabilities well in the face of corporate or consumer criticism - they will lose customers

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they have good support base and plenty of goodwill in the enterprise sector

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but that is something that should be sustained - not sacrificed

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Already there is talk of Microsoft migrating Surface devices to AMD and ARM

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Investors don't care about that. They care about numbers, and rumors. And security vulnerabilites stay in the news for a day or two, then they're out, and now it's 10nm, 7nm, or what ever.

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It doesn't work like it's supposed to, you know.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Investors should care about customers - they don't necessarily have to, but it is prudent

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:50 PM

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They don't. They see a name, and a number on a screen, and what numbers it has been, and maybe will be, and they put money into it, expecting money back.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Hopefully Intel can turn around whatever culture that needs to be changed

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come on

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how can they let ARM in

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how the fuck did X86 lose the numbers war to mobiles

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:51 PM

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How do you think?

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Most computers sold today are handhelds.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:52 PM

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sad eh

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and with that PC gaming too may diminish

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fucking mobile games

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cancer

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Not fully. It's reasonable that the average person would rather have a phone than a PC.

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Cheaper, easier, fills more roles.

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etc.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:53 PM

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It's inevitable

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but will it take out PC gaming with it

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and usher in an era of super-casual, DLC-ridden, pay-to-win, shallow mobile gaming?

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is every PC gamer's nightmare

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:54 PM

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I don't think so. PC gaming will likely then just regress to what it was in the 80's 90's.

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What is not modern AAA PC games, if not just the parent of the child that is mobile gaming.

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:55 PM

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it should be resurgent to new heights - it is in every respect but mobility, better than any form of mobile gaming

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but market forces

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The only thing which makes me pissed is the PC industry aren't helping themselves

sick reef Sep 27, 2019, 6:55 PM

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What is heights, if not just worse games, if modern blockbuster games is anything to go by?

fiery nacelle Sep 27, 2019, 6:56 PM

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that too is another sad point

north bronze Sep 27, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Would a CoolerMaster H500 ATX + CoolerMaster's Vertical GPU mount be a bad idea?

fiery nacelle Sep 28, 2019, 1:47 AM

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there is a Gamer's Nexus video on that chassis

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with the vertical mount (not necessarily cooler master;s)

fiery nacelle Sep 29, 2019, 1:40 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_VV3UjEBY

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Anyone got some good suggestions for front facing RGB cpu coolers?

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 12:30 PM

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for a 3900X

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 2:35 PM

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eeeeh decided to go for an AIO

sick reef Sep 29, 2019, 2:41 PM

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AIO CPU cooler, or AIO GPU cooler?

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 2:55 PM

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CPU cooler

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Wanted something less bulky than the Dark Rock Pro 4

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Ah yes

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I also had that question

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:35 PM

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that bulk helps with heat transfer better than your AIO, up to you if you want more from aesthetics or function

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:36 PM

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But there was also something about the height, which I have yet to figure that out

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:37 PM

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def re-check dimensions, if it can fit, I'd always take a dark rock or a noctua for cooling

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but again, if you're looking for having more of a design/theme to your build, AIO's typically all look nicer, you're just sacrificing performance for looks.

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I don't really wanna get AIO kek

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I don't see any good use except when it performs better than air cooling which possibly will be rare case

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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AIO only performs better than the smaller air coolers

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I see

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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performs worse than Dark rock or Noctua large tower heat sink air coolers

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and can be noisier due to radiator fans on top of the water pump

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:39 PM

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True

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:39 PM

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and can be a hassle to clean if it gunks up, which they are guaranteed to do after a year or two, depending on the brand

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only custom loop water cooling is better than air cooling, and only by a negligible 4-6 degrees

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Hm

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** Specifically engineered for the Intel Z270 Kaby Lake platform **

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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the main factors are space to fit a large air cooler in the case, and how shitty the big air coolers can look, especially Noctua's tan color lol

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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As I check on G.Skill TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin 3600MHz

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Why and what is special for engineering it for Z270 kirby lake

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:41 PM

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what was designed for the Z270?

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mXNv6h/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gtzrb

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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oh, some RAM modules are specced to run better in certain AMD or Intel builds.
AMD is getting new RAM specs as Intel was king for awhile

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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I see

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I should pretty much just ignore it, should I

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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always double check your motherboard's RAM QVL

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tells you what RAM is compatible with the firmware on your mobo

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Uhhh

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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otherwise your RAM could run slower than the 3600Mhz speed

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Oh okay

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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G.Skill are fairly good with lots of brands though, usually a good choice

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Wow

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I found a perfect ram for that easily lmao

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:46 PM

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haha

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Specifically good for Ryzen 3000 series and X570

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 3:46 PM

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yeah RAM usually isn't too hard to find a good set for a build

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and yeah, Ryzen is getting new specific RAM sets

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has been getting*

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since they've been competing so closely with Intel with their Ryzen lineup

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Now how exactly do I check heights on cooler and RAM so it'll fit?

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 4:08 PM

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What's with FreeSync 2

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 4:59 PM

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like freesync

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but better

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 5:32 PM

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my massive Noctua NH-D15 fits my G.Skill TridentZ ram

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it does cover their RGB, though lol

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 5:45 PM

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kek

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Decided to go for a 3700X instead of 3900X

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3900X seems overkill and hecc the 300E i'm saving with this are going to be handy

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 7:40 PM

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3900X is more of a workstation

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3700X is uhh

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Similar but less

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At least you're going for 200$ ish less

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 7:49 PM

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3700X is workstation 3600X

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Also starts with a slower clock speed

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make sure you oc to 4.0Ghz at the least

north bronze Sep 29, 2019, 7:51 PM

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cba to OC tbh

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I might try but it's not a requirement

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 7:54 PM

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you still should oc it a bit if you’ve got the time

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Tbh, would definitely be worth your time

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you can make it 25% faster

chrome chasm Sep 29, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Anyone know a program to record a long video? Like let say a full raid in WoW ?

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 10:35 PM

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obs studio

chrome chasm Sep 29, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Thanks

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 10:41 PM

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obs studio

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make sure you’re recording in 1080p tho

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 10:45 PM

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and 60 fps

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don't wanna see slow as vids in this world anymore

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damn game cutscenes capped to 30 fps

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 10:46 PM

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yee

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 10:57 PM

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if you have a beefy enough pc just select "lossless quality"

fleet canopy Sep 29, 2019, 10:58 PM

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"If you have a beefy enough pc"

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>Be Pupper

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>Own a 2080 Ti

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 10:59 PM

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well, TooBad was the one asking technically 😛

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 11:00 PM

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😄

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 11:11 PM

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also a large amount of storage, I recorded a 2 hour 1080p vr video and the raw file was 407GB

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 11:12 PM

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?? you recording on lossless or what lol

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 11:13 PM

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mhmm

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 11:13 PM

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yikes

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 11:15 PM

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you recording elite dangerous?

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Blade and Sorcery, but I have a dedicated 3TB HDD for recording

urban gulch Sep 29, 2019, 11:18 PM

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oof

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 11:30 PM

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though converting that raw 407GB file to a 1080p60fps MP4 it reduces down to 14GB

chrome chasm Sep 29, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Thanks for the info. I just wanted to find a program to record but will take into consideration how huge the file can get.

pallid cedar Sep 29, 2019, 11:31 PM

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no worries. I will second using OBS

chrome chasm Sep 29, 2019, 11:32 PM

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👌

late sorrel Sep 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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tbh, just set it at 1080p60fps and you'll have no issues with size

void perch Sep 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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just record using the camera on your cell phone

marsh mesa Sep 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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don't forget to edit on windows movie maker

void perch Sep 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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nah, edit by printing out each frame, then make edits and scan them back in

marsh mesa Sep 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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then record again with the phone by flipping the pages

chrome chasm Sep 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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How much Go I can put on a VHS tape?

pallid cedar Sep 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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GB? 2.06

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according to google lol

dark quarry Sep 30, 2019, 1:01 AM

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I've actually been playing around a bit with GeForce Experience. Pretty easy to use and just records at whatever resolution you are playing at. Has an instant replay feature that allows you to passively record in up to 20 minute intervals.

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Er, I guess more accurately, like a running 'up to' 20 minute DVR type thing.

sick reef Sep 30, 2019, 7:16 AM

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OBS Studio, if you can either learn, or just copy paste settings, is a good alternative for recording. It is what I use.

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 9:19 AM

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I use Xbox game bar for recording bugs internally, the one windows comes with

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then I use OBS for actual game-capture, with voices etc

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 9:28 AM

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why not use obs in general?

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with lossless quality, it's the perfect bug recording software 😛

void perch Sep 30, 2019, 10:01 AM

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I use snagit for my short recordings

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 10:11 AM

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you use the most weird and unpopular programs 😛

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 11:45 AM

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dunno, to clunky I guess ;D

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haha, AMD's 64 core Epyc looks insane..

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

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yep

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Yes

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 11:47 AM

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I want one

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can you send one over Faye?

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 11:48 AM

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😂

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i want one as well

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got high bills lately, so sorry, cannot send anything 😦

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 11:51 AM

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haha

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hopefully AMD can fix it sometime in the future 😛

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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yesbear

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i first gotta upgrade my i7 to i9, cause my current one is actually bottlenecking my gpu sads

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 11:53 AM

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F

rain sorrel Sep 30, 2019, 11:56 AM

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My cpu also is kinda bottlenecking/overheating. I can play MHW on stream but after 2 hours my cpu load on mh is 100% and still lacking

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totLikeThis

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 11:57 AM

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I have a 4770 in my computer at home, with a Vega64

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I also want an upgrade:o

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Everyone wants one

rain sorrel Sep 30, 2019, 11:58 AM

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If i recall i have a i7 6700k nrdyHmm never had something from amd except a gpu

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Which well lets just say died

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I never had anything by AMD

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Just Intel and NoVideo

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:00 PM

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i got i7 7700k with 2080 ti

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 12:02 PM

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I have the same with 1060 3GB

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Help

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:02 PM

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i mean.. not that bad ThinkAutist

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Yeah it’s not too bad, but 3 GB of VRAM didn’t like

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Batman Arkham or something was literally 2.7 GB VRAM at the lowest settings

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Or 2.5

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:03 PM

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😛

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 12:05 PM

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I’d nab a 580 if I could, doesn’t matter if it’s the same performance as a 1060, it’s got 8 GB vram

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I mean, sure there’s the 4 GB but why go for that

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 12:07 PM

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I have a 2080ti on a subwoofer beneath my desk

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🤷

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:10 PM

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multiple electromagnet devices next to each other is not guuud!

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 12:11 PM

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the subwoofer is not on though

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haha

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not even plugged in

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:12 PM

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oof XD

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 12:12 PM

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I can't bare myself to put it in together with my old CPU

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:13 PM

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mhmm, i wouldn't use the rtx 2080 ti with an i7 7700k or worse

abstract kite Sep 30, 2019, 12:18 PM

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whats ur old cpu ?

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ah a 4770

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i recently bought a 9700k with a 2080 ti,
what a beast

urban gulch Sep 30, 2019, 12:24 PM

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nice

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ima buy the i9 9900k probably

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or newer 🤷

north bronze Sep 30, 2019, 3:28 PM

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team red or nothing

pallid cedar Sep 30, 2019, 3:49 PM

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I'm enjoying my ryzen 2700

onyx mesa Sep 30, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Is this a cool place to talk PC building? I'm building one as a giveaway...but I haven't LOCKED in all the parts. If I share the list here can you all provide some feedback?

north bronze Sep 30, 2019, 4:47 PM

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sure @onyx mesa

onyx mesa Sep 30, 2019, 4:47 PM

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cool

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/remulas/saved/cdtYHx

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This is what I plan on using for the giveaway PC. Its not SUPER high end...but it will get the job done

north bronze Sep 30, 2019, 4:48 PM

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looks nice

pallid cedar Sep 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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looks alright.
I'd swap the AIO for a Noctua NH-D15S, but that's me

onyx mesa Sep 30, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I have nothing against Air coolers, one of the reasons I am using this Cooler is because I had to RMA one from my last commission build and they gave me a free replacement cooler.

dense wasp Sep 30, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Yeah, that's a solid build alright

onyx mesa Sep 30, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Cool thanks. I hope someone I know wins it lol

fiery nacelle Sep 30, 2019, 10:29 PM

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@onyx mesa

Get a dual/triple axial fan RX 5700XT instead of the blower edition for much better cooling and noise levels at only slightly increased prices (e.g. Sapphire Pulse RX 5700 XT)
Be aware that although the Intel 660p is an NVME drive, it uses QLC NAND flash which has significantly worse endurance (writes) and speeds compared to TLC NAND based NVME drives - it uses it's SLC cache to mask speed deficit and could be overwhelmed once the cache is (temporarily) filled due to sustained writes. Having said that - the average home user might not notice it so it's a good budget option

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Me think you ping me what the hell

onyx mesa Sep 30, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Awesome feedback @fiery nacelle thanks so much!

fiery nacelle Sep 30, 2019, 10:43 PM

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a cheap but good NVME drive that performs just as well as the vaunted Samsung 960/970 evos is the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro or the HP EX950 series

fleet canopy Sep 30, 2019, 10:48 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTkTWb Since I’ve kind of changed up some stuff, how’s this? Pretty much dunno about the NVME drive I put in, was only 30$ more than a 860 Evo SSD so I guess I should expect equal performance, no?

fiery nacelle Oct 1, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Asus Prime X570P did better than the Gigabyte X570 Gaming X in VRM temps as tested by Hardware Unboxed (Techspot) in their X570 budget boards roundup

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Also, generally avoid MSI X570 boards

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The NVME drive which is a Samsung 970 Evo on what looks like a steep discount is a great SSD

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At USD 199

dense wasp Oct 1, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Yeah, the 660p isn't great.
I figured it was choosed due to the price-point

fiery nacelle Oct 1, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Once the SLC cache of a 660p is saturated, speed drops between that of the fastest hard disk and a SATA based SSD

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natively, QLC is even slower than a TLC based SATA SSD

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For almost the same price of the Intel 660p, the Crucial MX500 will provide much better endurance

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For an additional 30% more, the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro will provide much better endurance AND performance

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prices here that is

onyx mesa Oct 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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It was Free @dense wasp best price around!

dense wasp Oct 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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haha, yeah, Free is a good price

onyx mesa Oct 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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This PC giveaway is based on the gear I had on hand and what I could afford. It's not optimal for my type of build, but who ever wins it wont really care TBH

abstract kite Oct 1, 2019, 1:55 PM

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@fiery nacelle I actually picked that up for sale last week 970 Evo 1 TB for 175 (190 after tax?)

fiery nacelle Oct 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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that's pretty cheap for a Samsung SSD

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Hi guys i have a bit of a problem now that i try to remove the cooler on my gpu

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I cant disconnect the 4pin fan connector

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📎 IMG_20191001_173725.jpg

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It doesn't want to come out, it seems to be stucked

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Any tip that might be helpful?

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 4:48 PM

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It's a gpu connector. It is a bit sticky. Wiggle it with a needlenose plier.

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Though, just make sure it doesn't have a hook that latches it first. Should be, but you never know.

dense wasp Oct 1, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Hm yeah thats Weird

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I had a similar issue. GPU connectors are a bit better fit than fan one's.

onyx mesa Oct 1, 2019, 5:25 PM

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just be gentle/firm. IT's a tough balancing act. If you can get pliers on it and then rock it side to side to break it loose.

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Alright, i try that out. The strange thing is that there was one more 4 pin connector on the gpu that looks the same and I could remove that one easily... Definietly a strange problem

onyx mesa Oct 1, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Just dont rip the socket off the board

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Thats the hard thing in it ^^

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Wow it worked so easily with this method, thank you. Its now out.

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One more question, how do you get rid of the old thermal paste?

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Alcohol, prefereably pure.

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The other connector was likely LED connector, unless it was another seperate fan connector.

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Wiggling things that don't want to come loose is my job.

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Only sometimes you're more firm, sometimes you're less firm.

onyx mesa Oct 1, 2019, 5:40 PM

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70% Iso Alcohol and a tissue with NO LOTION. Use a simple clean tissue or non abrasive cloth

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I myself use 99.7% ethanol, but not a thing everyone has freely available.

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 5:53 PM

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I will buy iso alcohol tomorrow, I found some 99% for quite cheap. Thanks a lot!

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Artic writes that the thermal pad I am using is electrically non conductive, so this should be fine, for the VR modules (small blacks) , right? The left side without the closer heatsinks is exactly like the right side.

📎 IMG_20191001_222039.jpg

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 8:25 PM

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You're going to put a heatsink on them?

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Yep

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Yeah, it wouldn't be an issue regarding conductivity.

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Thermals, I dunno.

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 8:30 PM

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There will be a pretty good cooler above them with 3 fans

sick reef Oct 1, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Yeah, I guess, but I don't know if it will keep heat in, or keep heat out. I myself don't do this that much, or equally, on the GPU.

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Alright. Thanks for all of the help! I am going to finish the assembly tomorrow, i am too tired for it now.

hexed horizon Oct 1, 2019, 8:48 PM

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oh shit its that person from PD:CW Discord

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who I share nationality with

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hello there

silent spear Oct 1, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Hi ^^

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:37 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme/comments/dc44sa/10k_cad_budget_full_build/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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holy shit that’s wack

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this dude wants a 10k (cad) pc

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:37 AM

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"Gaming, mostly WoW, Dota2 and steam library."

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:37 AM

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like, after 5K, what more can you spend

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:38 AM

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keep in mind, CAD

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so.. around 7.6k$

fallen phoenix Oct 2, 2019, 2:39 AM

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wait that's a subreddit

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Still, at least 0.5-1k over what you should spend without falling into gimmick-dom

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:39 AM

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weeeell..

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rtx 2080 ti for me was like 1.3k€ when it came out

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1k gone 😛

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Yeah, and a good build featuring that should come to about 4-5K

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Monitors cost another 1k

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:42 AM

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well maybe he just wants 6 4k monitors

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3 on 3

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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tbh, you should be hitting about 5.5-6k on a gamer pc

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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2 on 3*

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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that

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sounds like a huge waste of money

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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or he's just someone who wants attention 😛

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anyway ima go, gn8 >.<

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Hm

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Good night pupper

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 AM

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I wanna/would help this guy out, but I just don’t want to be out here talking the big bucks

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night faye!

urban gulch Oct 2, 2019, 2:44 AM

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guuud niiiight

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:44 AM

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My ducking dream pc (with a shitload of wastage) came to 1.5k

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:44 AM

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He seems like those people who doesn’t know how low you can get on price for the best

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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yeah

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like, a 2k pc will last you at least 5 years

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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2080 Ti for 5 years, hmm

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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before you can’t play AAA games at 50fps

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Well probably if it’s like

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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a 2080Ti is not in a 2k pc budget

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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I managed to get a 2080 Ti in a 2K USD budget though

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 AM

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closer to a 2080S/2070S/5700XT

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it’s usable

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Or 2.1K probably

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:46 AM

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still, that’s 60% of your budget

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Along with including the 9900K lol

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:46 AM

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oh shit lol

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Imma try lol

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Well it’s 200$ over but these days, anyone can get 200$ easy peasy

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hwn8dm

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:56 AM

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yeah very cool

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still, 7.5k for a full system build?

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4k’ll do it for you

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:57 AM

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That’d be a big ass workstation PC

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:57 AM

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yeah daym

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get you self a threadripper

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Think of the ultimate power you’d get

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With the 64C/128T CPU GWdnzMonikaSmile

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:58 AM

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mmmmm

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oh did you see that zen 3 or whatever might support 4t to one core or something?

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Now I’d say SLI 2080 Ti but I don’t know if the Titan is better for workstation

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And nips

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Nope

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 3:16 AM

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rip

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but yeah

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threadripper 3 when

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Dunno

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It sounds pretty neat

dense wasp Oct 2, 2019, 7:04 AM

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yeah, the 64 core one, gief

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need to multithread stuff

north bronze Oct 2, 2019, 7:56 AM

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got my first payroll

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looks like im gonna need two more for my pc

dense wasp Oct 2, 2019, 7:57 AM

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that's a serious PC

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@sick reef Seems like the problem with the endless repair loop in windows was the GPU.
I removed it, just using the MB port now, and got a successfull boot 3 times in a row. (was 100% failure before).
Gonna put it back in now, to see if it still crashes.

sick reef Oct 2, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Yeah, that sounds like how my brother computer crashed, kind of, only less severe, and on a new install.

fiery nacelle Oct 2, 2019, 11:44 AM

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How many Wow and Dota2 is he playing?

fleet canopy Oct 2, 2019, 12:18 PM

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A whole team of himself

fiery nacelle Oct 2, 2019, 12:36 PM

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at 10k CAD, that can get enough hardware to simulate enough virtual machines for a full 5v5 match LOL

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 2:14 PM

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yeah exactly

languid void Oct 2, 2019, 2:43 PM

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like, a 2k pc will last you at least 5 years

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wut

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so many intel/nvidia fanbois around, £700-1k AMD build will last you around 5 years

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only need to spend more if you wanna go 4k and have all the fancy features on

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if not then your spending 1k more on gaining 5-10 un-noticeable fps at 1080p which lets be honest will be the highest you'll go on any competitive / multiplayer game

hexed horizon Oct 2, 2019, 2:49 PM

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a 2k PC 5 years?

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i wish my 600 dollar pc will last 4

chrome chasm Oct 2, 2019, 2:50 PM

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It's not about fanboying, it's about performance and what you, as a player, want for graphic. I play my game in 2/4k, I want stable high FPS with game setting on the highest I can. This mean I'm going high end spec and I got the income. I'm not fanboying Nvidia, it is the only one that offer a card that allow me to do it with a 1080Ti/2080Ti

north bronze Oct 2, 2019, 2:52 PM

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The only reason I'm going for Nvidia instead of AMD GPU wise is because of the drivers

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and also, RTX 👀 might be a gimmick but UE4 supports it so it's a useful gimmick

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I stick with AMD because I know that they're not going to shaft me with driver updates.

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iirc Novideo shafted the performance of the 1050Ti at one point under "security updates"

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it lost like 20-30fps in one game or something.

chrome chasm Oct 2, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Stay clear of freely bashing on product like that. We can all have a discussion without this.

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I'm not bashing in regards to the 1050Ti, this actually happened to my knowlege.

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My own main reason to not by Nvidia is because I just personally don't need their features.

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Like, if I wanted RTX, I'd buy Nvidia. Same with their other features like the AI greenscreen thing for streamers.

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The 100$ more is worth it for the features imo. (as well as not getting driver issues like the 5700XT had) I just wouldn't use them, and I don't quite have 100$ extra to spend, budget wise.

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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/288500/bad-driver-massive-fps-drop-playing-anything/

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Several people reported driver issues where their FPS would massively drop with a driver update.

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Weather this was intentional or not, we don't know, but It's still a good example of Nvidia making bad drivers, which is an important point when we talk about AMD's drivers not being the best. Not just AMD has driver issues, smh.

chrome chasm Oct 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I got a weird drivers update on my 980Ti where texture would not load properly for water in Hitman 2. It sucked but was quickly fix. Yay bad drivers update suck and I had to dealt with it for the day.

fiery nacelle Oct 2, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@late sorrel why not upgrade to RTX cards?

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They have raytracing but the image I'm afraid, Doesnt Look So Sharp

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LOL

naive anchor Oct 2, 2019, 7:25 PM

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https://youtu.be/KRtk8kvI7GQ

late sorrel Oct 2, 2019, 7:47 PM

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oh no

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heck sam

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@fiery nacelle that was just an example of something going very yikes on Nvidia’s end. I don’t want an RTX card because a) the budget exists b) I have no want/need for RTX, and c) I would get better perf from a sapphire 5700XT

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but yeah

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I mean, if I wanted highest visual settings, I too would be out here getting a 2080S/Ti

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my needs are much less, and I’d be happy with 60fps on 2k, so I’d probably buy a 5700XT, because turning down the settings doesn’t affect me.

grim oracle Oct 3, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Umm I need some help. My lenovo thinkpad laptop doesnt boot up windows. I can only see the splash logo then afterwards I get a black screen

marsh mesa Oct 3, 2019, 8:34 AM

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I hope the issue is another thing, because last time that happened to me I found out my HDD was corrupted, maybe try booting up from an USB or running repair? I'm sorry I'm too sleepy to remember properly how to do it

sinful cobalt Oct 3, 2019, 11:15 AM

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https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=WL-1316625 - choose one

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Is HDR any necessary?

fiery nacelle Oct 3, 2019, 11:42 AM

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The AOC uses a Samsung panel too

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 3:51 PM

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there's also the fact that most nvidia exclusive features are useless, for example: gears 5, my brother has an nvidia card and has to turn off a load of features in the games settings just to stop the game from crashing to desktop every 30 minutes, all i hear from nvidia buyers is how they have issues with games (especially on launch) but never experienced them with my AMD cards :smug:

chrome chasm Oct 3, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Im currently running gears 5 max setting 60fps 1440p on my gtx 980Ti. It is surprisingly well optimized.

onyx mesa Oct 3, 2019, 4:29 PM

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I think story based games look amazing with HDR...helps sell the narrative. Not necessary...but looks SOOO good. Its personal preference

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what features @languid void ? I 'd like to turn those off as well

chrome chasm Oct 3, 2019, 4:32 PM

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The coalition did an impressive job for the pc version. Other recent game did not got the same optimization love. The surge 2 I refunded cuz I cant even run the game at 1080p.

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It suck, mostly comparing how

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Good gears 5 look vs surge 2

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@onyx mesa i think it was 'async compute' he had to do it with GoW 4 as well

onyx mesa Oct 3, 2019, 4:41 PM

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is that in the game or in the driver/gforce experience? where do I turn that off?

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 5:20 PM

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in the game

north bronze Oct 3, 2019, 5:57 PM

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sapphire rx 5700 xt nitro +

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good or nah

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im lowering my budget, probs gonna replace the RTX 2070S by it if it's nice 👀

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 5:58 PM

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go watch the amd keynotes and make a decision 😉 i'd get 1 if i was upgrading

north bronze Oct 3, 2019, 6:00 PM

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im making a new pc that's why

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benchmarks look good

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temps too

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and it has rgb

late sorrel Oct 3, 2019, 6:10 PM

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yeah

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that’s probably the best 5700XT on the market rn

north bronze Oct 3, 2019, 6:32 PM

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aaaand in my cart instead of the 2070 Super

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managed to burn off ~$500-600 on my budget

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because it was a bit overkill

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 6:41 PM

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and you'll probably only lose 5-10fps

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you've probably already got 1 in the cart but incase you haven't i have to recommend the m.2 ssd's even if its just for the OS drive

late sorrel Oct 3, 2019, 6:44 PM

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(some games you'll gain that 5fps back)

languid void Oct 3, 2019, 6:44 PM

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true ^

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honestly dont know how people can justify that $400-$500 for that small of a gain :/

late sorrel Oct 3, 2019, 6:58 PM

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It's a 150$ differance between the 2070S and the 5700XT.

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Unless you need the RTX and the other extras Nvidia offer, there's no point in spending the money if you're on a tight budget.

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Like, the streamer green screen thing is really cool, but when I do occasionally stream, I really don't want to put on a face cam. It's obiously useful to some people though.

dense wasp Oct 3, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@north bronze overkill? I don't know the words when it comes to computer building 😉

north bronze Oct 3, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@dense wasp I mean yeah it'd be awesome to have a beast like the 3900X buuut budget :(

dense wasp Oct 3, 2019, 7:21 PM

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someday !

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 8:06 AM

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this 100% disk usage error is fascinating somehow

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I put in a new, out of the box HDD with a fresh install of windows on it.
Lo and behold.
Still has the same issue

north bronze Oct 4, 2019, 8:10 AM

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inb4 new hdd is defective as well /s

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 8:16 AM

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haha, naw, the likelyhood of that is so small..

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on the other comp,
As soon as I put a GPU in to any pci-e, I can't boot windows, I get the windows repair loop

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as soon as I remove the GPU, it works.

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Thinking if my PSU has gone bad there

north bronze Oct 4, 2019, 8:30 AM

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perhaps

hexed horizon Oct 4, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Ok people, I fucked up.

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 8:51 AM

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what's happened?

hexed horizon Oct 4, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I ordered a keyboard and a mouse on a webshop. The keyboard was not in stock, 2 weeks of wait. OK, order canceled. The other webshop, I order the same two items, clicked on "Order", 30 seconds later I realize that the MOUSE is not in stock, 2 weeks of wait. I contacted support, and got the order canceled.

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So I had 2 mini heart attacks in 20 minutes.

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Nothing went actually wrong, i'm just a dumb fuck

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and it makes me angry sometimes

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 9:03 AM

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haha,
good thing you didn't end up with a ton of stuff though

urban gulch Oct 4, 2019, 10:06 AM

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.. how about buying and mouse on the one site and keyboard on the other? :p

hexed horizon Oct 4, 2019, 10:29 AM

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And pay double for shipping?

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Two seperate times?

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Fuck no

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I'm only home next week, after that imma back Monday-Friday 7AM to 5PM workkng every day

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As far as I know

sick reef Oct 4, 2019, 11:12 AM

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It could be the GPU, Ludvig, you know, if you haven't tested with different.

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 11:13 AM

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I have tested with 3 different GPUs 😄

sick reef Oct 4, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Fug

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You could feed the GPU from another PSU and see what happens.

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 11:21 AM

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I even tried another PSU now, but yeah, that's true

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I can try powering it from another also, haha

sick reef Oct 4, 2019, 11:29 AM

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An other PSU did nothing?

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2019, 11:47 AM

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@dense wasp I have had this problem, it should be fixed with a program I once had but I forgot what it was

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I’ll ask my brother if he knows it, otherwise try looking it up on the internet, it should be fixed that way

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 11:48 AM

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looking stuff up on the internet.. haha

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yeah, I've googled about it

fleet canopy Oct 4, 2019, 11:49 AM

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And nothing? I can still ask my brother Kek

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 11:57 AM

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hehe,
But it did get me thinking, could be a driver thing

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I'll uninstall all current drivers and stuff on it and check

urban gulch Oct 4, 2019, 12:17 PM

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i'd recommend trying another psu if drivers doesn't work

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 12:51 PM

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a third one..?

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can't see what difference that would make tbh 😄

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it should be the drivers

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as soon as I install the nvidia-drivers, I can't boot the computer anymore

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as soon as i Uninstall them, I'm good..

late sorrel Oct 4, 2019, 12:52 PM

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~~buy amd~~

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Is it a specific version of the drivers?

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like, can you use older versions

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 12:54 PM

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trying legacy drivers now

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no dice.
irritating

late sorrel Oct 4, 2019, 1:03 PM

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noo

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so it can’t be the GPU drivers then

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it has to be something incompatible with the NVIDIA drivers

dusty pumice Oct 4, 2019, 1:04 PM

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I have had many weird issues with nvidia drivers before but thats sure not one of them

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At that point i would usually give up and just try to refund the card with the warranty lmfao

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I had a friend with some issues on his CPU and RAM last week where his usage spiked towards 70% or higher and basicly made everything crash apparently missed like 3 - 4 updates on windows and GPU driver that fucked with it now its running normal

urban gulch Oct 4, 2019, 1:23 PM

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reinstall windows ludvig 🤷

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haha

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but install with minimal things

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so onboard gpu etc.

chrome chasm Oct 4, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Set it on fire and buy a new rig

urban gulch Oct 4, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Buy a new rig and set it on fire

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@dense wasp are you familiar with DXDIAG?

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:20 PM

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I did solve it by uninstalling Nvidia, and putting a AMD card in 😅

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I am @onyx mesa

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:34 PM

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ok nvm you got it sorted. I was gonna lend a hand. Thats insane!

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Cheers, appreciate it.

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Yeah It's super weird.

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I did like 3-4 clean installs of windows before figuring it out.

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Hopefully, the computer I took the AMD card from will accept the Nvidia-card after some driver installs

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:41 PM

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That is the weirdest thing I've heard. I would expect a clean windows to work, but there must be a hardware conflict in there somewhere. I was thinking maybe some other piece of hardware you had in there was causing it along side the Nvidia

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:42 PM

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yeah,
funny thing that it worked for like 3 years

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then it just stopped working

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suddenly that specific computer developed Nvidia allergy

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Windows service pack?

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Could be that Nvidia experience installed wrong version of the drivers, and contaminated everything.

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Did the october update roll out already?

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Naw, this was like a month ago or something

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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ah ok

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Since I used Experience on every clean install. If it repeated it self. but dunno, It's too weird

onyx mesa Oct 4, 2019, 2:44 PM

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mind if I drop you a DM about something ?

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 2:45 PM

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sure

urban gulch Oct 4, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Hey ludvig, you don't specially need geforce experience tbh

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you can just install the latest drivers from the web, or from windows updates 🤷

dense wasp Oct 4, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Yeah I know, hehe

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It’s easy to just install the experience though

late sorrel Oct 5, 2019, 3:09 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

fallen phoenix Oct 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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What kind of wallpaper is that.

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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The holy wallpaper

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Activate windows you sick fuck

fallen phoenix Oct 5, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Ikr.

late sorrel Oct 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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That’s Microcenter

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Make them activate windows

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Technology is so easy. If the Nvidia GPU is the problem, use AMD. If the AMD GPU is the problem, use Nvidia.
If none work, there's a whole world outside to waste time until Intel releases their GPU.

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 9:35 AM

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just don't use a gpu easy

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 10:05 AM

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forsenThink

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 10:08 AM

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anyone know a good way to get the price down a bit on my storage?

📎 unknown.png

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I don't want to swap for a HDD, and I'd still like to have 2TB 👀

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perhaps a cheaper NVME driver that still performs well?

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Dunno why you'd need 2TB SSD storage.

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And going low in SSD prices is always a risk.

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 10:29 AM

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I might just go for 1TB and add a second NVME later

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apparently this one is good: https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/zR3H99/adata-sx8200-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-1tt-c

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PCPartPicker Part List: https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/QfY7Pn

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€356.99 @ Alternate) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€67.92 @ Amazon France) 
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 5.5 g Thermal Paste  (€18.35 @ Amazon France) 
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€219.99 @ Amazon France) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€182.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€157.89 @ Alternate) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card  (€479.99 @ Amazon France) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€98.98 @ Cdiscount) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€101.47 @ Amazon France) 
Monitor: Samsung LC27JG50QQNZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  (€276.38 @ Amazon France) (PRICE NOT ADDED TO TOTAL, WILL BE FOR LATER)
Total: €1684.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-05 12:31 CEST+0200

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hecc this ain't bad

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I can buy 2 more sticks of RAM later, and another NVME as well

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 10:36 AM

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That is an entire prebuilt, not just disk storage.

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 AM

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yeah, that's the build I'm planning on buying

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decided to lower the budget a little because I do want to get my driver's license too within the next 4 months hehe

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i'll upgrade the build later in any case

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the total price was about 2500E before

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Then it's a good pricecut.

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Buy a regular SSD instead of an NVMe

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Totally cheaper!

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Unless you can’t fit anymore drives, then wait for sales like Black Friday if that’s a thing in your area

fiery nacelle Oct 5, 2019, 2:08 PM

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@north bronze either SX 8200 Pro 2TB, MX500 2TB or Intel 660p 2TB

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Expanded:

Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB (NVME)
Crucial MX500 2TB (SATA in either M.2 or 2.5")
Intel 660p 2TB (NVME) - QLC NAND

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I'm probs gonna go with Adata XPG

late sorrel Oct 5, 2019, 4:44 PM

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yeehaw

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new wifi card

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20 more mbps

abstract kite Oct 5, 2019, 6:28 PM

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@north bronze There was a sale on the EVO about a week ago 😦

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 6:28 PM

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eh i decided to go with an evo

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but a single one

abstract kite Oct 5, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I got a single one as well

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It's a nvme terrabyte which is going to be my main m.2

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I haven't decided my second m.2 for my build next year

north bronze Oct 5, 2019, 6:30 PM

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i'll grab a second later

naive anchor Oct 5, 2019, 9:27 PM

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so basically i only have space for 2 drivers in my case and im running out of storage

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is there a way to somehow copy everything from 1 drive to another

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cuz im thinking of replacing my 1tb with 4tb

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but id have to make a list of all the things i need to download

fleet canopy Oct 5, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Uhh

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Like Winderp files including?

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I don't want to say copy and paste lol

late sorrel Oct 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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^ don’t do this

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your PATHing gets fucked up

sick reef Oct 5, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Mirroring?

pallid cedar Oct 6, 2019, 12:20 AM

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win10 doesn't like to be cloned from one drive to another

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best to make a backup of files you want to keep, then just reformat and re-download/install

late sorrel Oct 6, 2019, 12:26 AM

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^

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:30 PM

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not true

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@naive anchor https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-move-windows-10-to-an-ssd/

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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make backups of anything important separately like pictures etc.. JUST incase they become corrupted or anything during the migration process

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but I've done this many times and I've never had problems.

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nowadays tho I keep everything stored on the cloud via my own server I get from amazon and is encrypted and only have installed what i need so I can legit reformat my drives and reinstall Windows in like 10 mins lol.

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Note: most of the migration tools will move the ENTIRE drive not just the windows installation so make sure you are going from a smaller drive to a bigger drive

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Windows does not like to be cloned. This is true.

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It doesn’t mean it cannot be cloned.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:37 PM

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going from a big drive to a small drive wont work

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🤔 since when does Windows have feelings/a brain and know if it's being cloned?

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Registry.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 PM

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also cloning is much different than migrating

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cloning = make 2 of

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or copies

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migrating is moving it from 1 drive to another

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:38 PM

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How does windows know it has a new hard disk? How does it know what graphics card it has? How does it process things if it doesn’t know anything?

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Registry.

north bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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tbh going for a clean install is probably easier in any case

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just backup anything important and go fresh

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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Yep

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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it's better yeah but sometimes people don't wanna lol

north bronze Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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migrating/cloning/whatever is most likely going to end up with something going wrong or a slower windows etc

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or take too much time to be worth it

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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as I said I did it multiple times with migrating

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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^^

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:39 PM

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i never had issues

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trying to ONLY pickout the windows install itself yea not gonna happen

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if ur gonna migrate the drive you need to pull the whole drive

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and idk I have a friend who owns his own PC repair shop in Michigan and has a rack at his work that has customer backups installed on em and anytime he gets a call from a older customer saying their PC is fucked he just restores their drive remotely via his backups

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he never has issues

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i mean what do you think backups are?

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and almost all companies have backups

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which are just migrated installs

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:42 PM

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No.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:42 PM

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lol?

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k

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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My backups are OVA’s, for VMWare.
The rest are folders are files including databases.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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backups can be more than just OVA's

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Mostly in Acronis Backup, Cloud Archived with encryption on it.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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or VMWare installs

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etc..

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they can be full windows installs

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which is basically the same thing as migrating

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you're backing up the install

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and moving it to somewhere else

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Nope. Never used a full windows backup.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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what I'm saying is you can

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and it works just fine

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as I said my friend does it all the time

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Yeah, but not gonna, only messes up especially with new hardware

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Mostly cause hard disks survive longer than the hardware in the companies i work for

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Same as home, NAS drives only, are supposed to run 24/7 for 3~ years.

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:46 PM

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I was giving an example earlier I wasn't trying to say companies would actually use full windows backups

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lol

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i know they wouldnt do that

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Either NAS drives or military grade drives*

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:46 PM

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the point im trying to make is there's no problem with migrating a drive

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Eh, i still don’t recommend it blobshrug

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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it shouldn't bog performance or anything

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it CAN

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but most likely wont

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unless you do something to corrupt the migration

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or turn the PC off or something in the middle of it

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w/e

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Especially if you can copy files onto a USB 🤔

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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🤷🏽 i was just giving @naive anchor an answer to his question

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lol

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I just know from what I know and from what I've seen my buddy show/tell me and he did IT stuff in the military and now he does shit for Pepsi

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and owns his own PC repair thing on the side

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

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In his case, he can just copy the contents of the disk onto the other

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Also called mirroring

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

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yeah

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

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And seeing it is a 1tb and wants 4tb, im guessing windows is not on that disk

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:51 PM

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das a lotta read/writing to do

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lol

urban gulch Oct 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Back to lurking radiantLurk

silver sable Oct 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

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yea sleepy time for me

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6 AM

fiery nacelle Oct 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPnSt3z1TUs

north bronze Oct 8, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Can someone explain to me how the fuck a 1080ti beats a 5700XT

chrome chasm Oct 8, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Cuz AMD can't make a 1080Ti

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They aim for the mid spec, stable 1080p gaming at a good price.

late sorrel Oct 8, 2019, 5:24 PM

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It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they don’t

north bronze Oct 8, 2019, 7:05 PM

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:/

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i feel like im wasting my money on the 5700xt

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but at the same time 1080tis dont even sell anymore

dense wasp Oct 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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They’ll probably release something later, but for now they didn’t even bother it seems 🙂

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They went bananas with the cpus instead

north bronze Oct 8, 2019, 7:38 PM

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yep

sick reef Oct 9, 2019, 4:19 AM

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It is that they can't create. Either completely not, or not economically feasibly. And now 2080 Ti is what you have to beat to have the best card on the market.

dusty pumice Oct 9, 2019, 9:31 AM

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https://noctua.at/en/noctua-introduces-chromax-black-cpu-coolers

dense wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:05 AM

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@sick reef I'd go for not worth in economically at this point. From my perspective, they would be releasing it just to prove a point.
Or they tried, and the cards are burning up, seeing the 5700xt stock runs super hot 😉

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Man that site was slow to load @dusty pumice :)
but they look sweet.
I'll probably try to get one for my next build

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 12:25 PM

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The real reason is Nvidia's superior marketing, branding and market presence, that's all

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 12:26 PM

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??? Performance play a huge deal.

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 12:26 PM

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market momentum and inertia built over a period of more than a decade or so

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I have been buying GPUs since 1999

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These things like performance advantages don't grow overnight

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it's a chicken and egg story unless the competitor comes up with some overwhelming technology disruptor

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 12:28 PM

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In these time only Nvidia are the high end, Why would they need to compete against their own product. The only thing they can do if add stuff like RTX.

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 12:28 PM

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yup

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it wasn't that long ago that ATI had the upper hand consistently

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even when ATI or AMD had objectively superior products, drivers, or perceived ethics... Nvidia has consistently outsold them

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at best, ATI or AMD could only match the sales when they were much better

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not to mention that because of superior value, hence smaller profit margins, ATI or AMD could not reap as much profit as Nvidia to sow back into R&D

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explains why now

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 12:35 PM

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That just coming from your perspective maybe. I remember that the only card I would trust was AMD. Using a good old Radeon sapphire to run WoW. Nvidia wasn't that popular.
But right now, Nvidia is high above competition concerning high end spec. and it's only the moment we live in that I care. RTX took a while to release because they don't wanted to dilute the price of a still high selling 1080/1080Ti.

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 12:36 PM

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📎 124685-Add-in-Board-GPU-Market-Share-2002-to-Q1-2019.png

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📎 jpr_aib_q2_2015_shares.png

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You're right - AMD was popular with enthusiasts like us - yes

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but they moved TONS of cards to lesser-knowing / casual / novice PC gamers

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similar to the AMD Athlon 64 vs Intel Pentium 4 era

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The enthusiasts and "knowledgeable" among us chose to jump to AMD, but plenty of my friends stuck with their Pentium 4, no matter how much convincing

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Eventually due to market response, Nvidia made so much money they could pull away obscenely in terms of power efficiency and performance

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and AMD got tired of competing at the high ends

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AMD has to pull off another Ryzen in the GPU sector, but Nvidia competes better than Intel

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 12:42 PM

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It's true that with the lack of knowledge, people tend to deviate towards brands. And when one become majorly know, it become the main pick. But today the access to information is soo easy thanks to internet that adhering to a brand or faithful enthusiasts is less prominent. Someone want a cheap card or a powerful one, you don't just rely on brand, you look at youtube, benchmark etc. This access to information change the world in many domain. not just GPU/CPU.

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Fond memories - My GPUs included an S3 Savage 2000, Geforce 2 GTS, Radeon 9600 Pro, Radeon X1650XT, Geforce 9600GT, Radeon HD 5770, Radeon HD 7790, Radeon RX 480

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Used to be a Geforce buyer (never even heard of ATI) but at some point switched over to Radeon

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Hope we can get Navi 2 with Hardware raytracing and all 1st gen Navi "early adopter issues" sorted out

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end next year

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Yup!

dense wasp Oct 9, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Steams hardware survey is also very interesting in regards to % of the market there

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https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

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AMD's only card over 1% is AMD Radeon RX 580, at 1.48%

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but at 15% Apr 18 - sept 19, so it's interesting al right

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Steam also did some improvements to their hardware survey if not mistaken - to drastically reduce multiple counting of same hardware in the hordes of Chinese and Southeast Asian cybercafes, which overwhelmingly use Nvidia cards

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at some point or another

dense wasp Oct 9, 2019, 1:14 PM

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yeah that'd make sense

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 1:27 PM

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I’ve not owned a NVIDIA gpu

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And, unless they become more budget friendly, I won’t be

dense wasp Oct 9, 2019, 1:46 PM

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No denying they are expensive

urban gulch Oct 9, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Yep

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 2:10 PM

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I guess PC Hardware price ranges are expanding

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could it be rather than become more expensive - the performance range and prices delta have vastly increased as compared to the 2000s

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Even for a top end CPU nowadays - both the Ryzen 9 3900x and the i9-9900K at USD 499, with the Ryzen 9 3950x to be launched at USD 749

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Also inflation

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 4:33 PM

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I just don't, and won't have the money to spend on a high end system

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I mean, it would be cool to have a 2080Ti, but if I have a choice between the 2070S and the 5700XT, I'm saving the 100 bucks

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:26 PM

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A good 2080 Ti here would cost as much as an entire new system build

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:26 PM

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well, it is 1.2k usd

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I mean, that's the same for me

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:26 PM

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holy crap

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do people even need those?

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Me

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Not need

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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no you don't

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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but want, yes

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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no no

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Need

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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why would you

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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That's a want

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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I got superpower like Batman

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I'm Rich

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Richard?

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Dick?

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Damn it Mirrors

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:28 PM

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anyway

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lmao

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anyway

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well, I know that TooooooooBad wants to play in 4k

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and honestly, the 2080Ti's the best option

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He could waste money on a Titan

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:29 PM

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what kind of computers do people who edit Star Wars own?

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:29 PM

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probably like 8 titan z's

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I mean, they probably have a server setup

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:30 PM

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U know PS5 will support 4k/8K! 😂 what a joke.

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Yeah a PS5 will have an 8 year long life time support

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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lmao toobad doesn't think that amd can make a capable gpu

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oh no

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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unless they stop following the pattern

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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anyway

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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It's probably 4k at 30 fps on low settings

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Playing in 4k with cyberpunk

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that's gunna be pretty wack

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you'll really need the performance then

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anyway, I highly doubt that there will be many 4k PS5 games

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:32 PM

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cyberpunk

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bad

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video

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game

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also google stadia big succ

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:32 PM

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there is some hope @chrome chasm

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:32 PM

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well, stadia might be okay

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you just need good internet

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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eventually hardware tech will advance to a state where 4k 60fps is affordable

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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4k 144fps

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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taking quite the while to get there tho

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haha

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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yeah lmao

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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They said 4k/60fps

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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im just makin stuff up, but I'm not talking to anyone but myself

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Even the 2080Ti barely stay above 60fps

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For the latest game in 4K

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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4k isn't hard depending on the game you play

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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what the fuck

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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it'll probably have to be 4k 30 fps low-medium settings for the next gen consoles

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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i never understood these people
medium settings
mid end
go save your money for heart transplant in the future or something

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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^^^

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Control is pretty good. The surge 2 is badly optimized, but a 2080Ti can get average 65 fps

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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hold on...

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example

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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yeah?

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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say 25 fps is "kind of" achievable on current hardware on 4k

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the games will have to be really optimized and settings lowered though

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Well, it's a console

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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For future games, Ultra / High 4k is a no-no for consoles

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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what are you expecting

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they're going to optimize the shit out of it

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Console have to limit them, the GPU/CPU is one unit.

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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also, there's RIS

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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RIS is neat

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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console gaming sounds nice

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but

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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that's also probably gunna be used

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so really it's not bad

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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console games are expensive here

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we get regional pricing for Steam games

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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they are expensive everywhere

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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I only paid USD 23 for the Ultimate edition of Gears 5

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23

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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oh that's pretty cool

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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It's a little shoebox that is under a set environment with minimal effort, Console isn't going anywhere. but it please the mass with the 4k/60fps marketing.

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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tbh, I expect the consoles to render at 2k and upscale

chrome chasm Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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It won't do it, that's marketing

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:37 PM

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these Epic store and Uplay buggers are asking a whole lot more for their games

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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4k sucks imo, you don't get anything but higher requirements

fiery nacelle Oct 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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full USD 60

hexed horizon Oct 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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1080p on 24inch works just fine and will be for a long time

late sorrel Oct 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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4k is barely better than 2k