its 37-38 C
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
late sorrel
That’s good
It’s just when it gets to 90-100C that’s the issue
As long as it’s around 60-70C you’re fine
late sorrel
wait that is extreme
vague lake
yep.
plucky tangle
@vague lake the 7k series CPUs run hot. With that being said, those are crazy temps. And you are sure you have on the right amount of thermal paste? Too much, or too little can do those temps. And if the cooler is not bracketed on properly it can too.
Also, the pump might not be working, make sure you can hear the water moving around. There are no two ways around it, your going to need to take things apart.
harsh terrace
@vague lake your case is a death trap, no airflow allowed from what it looks like
plucky tangle
@harsh terrace what case are you looking at? From what I see, it has more then sufficient airflow. Three front 120mm fans, and one 120mm exhaust fan. That's my exact setup, except I have 3 exhaust fans on the top of my case as well
bronze cloak
@plucky tangle fans =/= airflow. Take one look at the Bitfenix Enso or the original H500P and you’ll see why.
Best chance to lower temps would be to use the rear as intake XD
plucky tangle
@bronze cloak with the temps he has, intake in the front, and exhaust in the back. The psu also is on the bottom, sucking air in. So all the heat is going straight in and out. He would benefit most from having two exhaust fans on the top.
But again, with the temps hes gettings that has next to nothing to do with his case. It's a mid tower case, and four 1200mm fans. That's more then sufficient. Something is wrong with his cooling block. He needs to take a closer look at it. I might believe you if he said his gaming temps are high 70's .... but not 100c. Something is wrong there.
bronze cloak
The fans don't matter if they can't get any air, and while the front panel may have a little side intake, the fans are pushed up against the panel like on the H500P. So effectively no intake.
plucky tangle
It looks like it has about a half inch between the glass front and the fans though. I cant only go off of what I see. But I dont think it's the case. If it were, just take the front panel off and try gaming.
Again, he said with the panel completely off, his temps were still in the upper 70's .... that's still not right. Thermal paste is either messed up, too much or too little. Not enough water in the pump. Or the block is installed improperly, or is loose. The cpu could also be a dud. Doubtful, but still possible.
harsh terrace
@plucky tangle tempered glass chokes airflow, half an inch is awful lol
inner lily
psh
my airflow is godlike
i have both sidepanels off and have 20inch box fans on either side
bronze cloak
probably still not enough to cool a GTX 480
fleet canopy
I'm running the meh 1060
bronze cloak
RX 580 Strix
inner lily
before my 1050ti i ran a RX 460
shit tier card compared to some of the stuff out now
but it got me through quite a lot
vague lake
Is it a problem if my sidepanel is off?
Its common that people have there sidepanels off also right?
harsh terrace
You'll just get dust faster, thats all if you dont have pet or touch anything lol
inner lily
just make sure you take care of your system. i find mind doesnt get THAT dusty but i still attempt to clean it out atleast once every 2 weeks
dust can lead to big issues if left alone
it can cause fans to stop working
gusty glacier
i'll put the pc inside the fridge so i wont be worried at all
urban gulch
Just build your pc in PC Building Simulator
fleet canopy
But I'm too poor to get PC BS
inner lily
isnt it only 20$
fleet canopy
Yeah but
I'm a poor 16 year old boy using his parent's credit card for buying whatever
inner lily
lol
fleet canopy
Hehe
inner lily
ughhh i hope the 2080s is actually decent and im not waiting for some BS card
vague lake
Why are the temps high then..
Its stressing me outt
With sidepanel on.
Its cooking
With no sidepanel is alright
fleet canopy
Just like
Take off the side panel
And put in an actual fan from the store
Not that 120mm or that 140mm stuff
fleet canopy
Well you can just like
vague lake
I was thinking of removing the front glass panel
dusty pumice
I think removing the front panel will be good enough
vague lake
The power. Usb 3.0. Audio cabels are attached on the front panel
urban gulch
jeez
dusty pumice
Well does not really matter what the price of the system is
if the airflow is horrible
harsh terrace
^
I've seen people spend $4000 on the computer alone and then choke it with a bad case and no fans lol
dense wasp
Haha, hurts the soul
urban gulch
Ludvig has been hurtened’dnt
quasi blade
remember guys, a x16 wide PCIe slot isn't always a 16 lanes slot -.-
sick reef
Often it is that the fronts with tempered glass, combined with airflow fans with bad suction, that lead to increased thermals. The front glass blocks the flow because it is too close, and the fans themselves are not strong enough even if the glass had a bit of leeway for air.
Can lead to temperature increases between 10-20 degrees, but also having an effect on how the computer accumilates temperature through usage
You should always, always, look in the motherboards manual to see how many PCIe lanes you are utilizing, depending on your setup.
You usually don't need 16x itself, unless you run performance equal or beyond a 2080 that is overclocked, and in turn, it would only be a performance hit by 1-2% to start with.
In the sense of why removing a sidepanel works, it's because now your computer works against the ambient of your room, instead of the ambient in the case itself.
If it is unable to push all the hot air in the case out of it, then it not only stays, but it also adds to the temperature that the computer itself is generating, meaning you will get accumilation, a constant increase in temperature. This issue is obviously caused by a lack of, or not enough, flowthrough.
abstract kite
just throw fans everywhere in your case
sick reef
Well, if you have a front glass panel, I would suggest throwing the case instead.
sick reef
There's toilets in Japan for that.
sick reef
Have you seen those PC's built in non-conductive oil?
dusty pumice
I am actually working to do one myself
sick reef
It looks great, apparently easy to do as well.
In principle, obviously
Are you modifying a case, or a tank?
sick reef
Most likely. You'd have be completely certain it's structurally sound, as well as watertight.
dusty pumice
Im not doing it all by myself im getting help from someone who already has expierence with this
Its gonna be a heavy build so having some help is nice
sick reef
Yeah, of course. Having help for these things isn't bad. It'll be like 20-30 litres, right?
dusty pumice
I have 12 gallons
So about 45 liters
I dont know how much is going in
But it wasnt cheap tbh costed about 229 usd
But wasnt extremely expansive either
vague lake
Soo maybe a solution it to remove the glass
dusty pumice
@vague lake 3 options
either remove the front panel
Remove one of the side panels
And if either one of those fixes the temp ur good to go
And the 3rd option would be buy a new case and move ur parts from old to new
urban gulch
4th option, no case
sick reef
It should be the front panel glass. What case is it?
Well, 45L of oil is more than 45Kg
In itself
dusty pumice
I think its less @sick reef 1 liter is 900 grams i think but im not sure
Not gonna carry around 45 liters of oil right now
sick reef
1 litre of water is 1000 gram. Oil has a heavier molecule than water.
abstract kite
man wtf
oil floats on water
that means less density
so 45L of oil is less than 45kg
abstract kite
even the heaviest one, the tetracontane weigh 80% of water
sick reef
I get my fundamentals mixed up, clearly.
abstract kite
no prob, it's easy to think bigger molecule = heavier
sick reef
Yeah. The correct thinking is though that a heavier molecule is heavier, and a bigger molecule is bigger, obviously.
abstract kite
it checks out 😄
sick reef
As in, not correlating it, of course!
dry anvil
Am sad, pump sprunk a leak and waterblock stopped flowing water to the rad.
north bronze
Would a ryzen 3900x + 5700 xt be VR ready? I think so, just wanna be sure 👀
sick reef
Was it an old pump, Chibi?
north bronze
Is the MSI 5700 XT out already? Looks like it, but it has the same design as Sapphire's
And the ventilation looks like shit for some reason, at least to me
sick reef
the whole block is.
Can improved with washers to have better contact, even on a basic level.
If it sapphire's, obviously.
north bronze
Will MSI's look change or is it permanent too?
Because they're basically identical
ahh okay they will
much better
should I buy a GPU support system? looks like it's quite heavy
sick reef
You almost never need a gpu support system.
dense wasp
Think those will run cooler then the stock ones?
north bronze
Two fans, more open casing, I'd say so @dense wasp
looks like these fans are exhausts instead of intakes, so should be cool as long as the case has some good airflow
the stock one has an intake that pushes the heat outside the case directly buuut it still looks like it'd keep heat
dusty pumice
MSI is usually pretty decent for gpu cooling
plucky tangle
@dense wasp anything will be better then the founder edition of any card, because more often then not they are blower models.
late sorrel
ugh I want white
sick reef
Sometimes it can be good to get a founders just to get the good chip, but that's really only if you intend to watercool it.
plucky tangle
This ----^
sick reef
Do wish my fan controller had some damn hysteresis because it keep on putting my fans on max when the boost runs up the temp for half a second.
plucky tangle
I have a similar issue. Mine doesn't auto fan curve at all like it should, so I just set them all to 40%. I'm talking about my case fan controller btw
inner lily
FE cards are nice for silicon lottery but a lot of the time the coolers are ass
i like AIBs because of increased frequencys and dual/triple fans
sick reef
Yeah, it's really only a minor complaint, as it's only about the noise. My case fan controller controls most of my case fans, and my GPU VRAM fan, and the motherboard handles the pumps as well as the case fan that pulls 1.3A
Well, if you watercool the FE, you can generally clock higher than Aftermarket partner cards, and do it cooler.
Then if we would talk of high end aftermarket, you first off pay much more, even counting buying both FE and AIO(in the simplest of cases), and you get marginal difference.
Mostly because the graphics chip in FE is the better one, K version or what ever they call it, so you can push it into a pretty good spot.
My 1080Ti as an example can run a steady +175/+285 clock/mem. Maybe even more, but I really have forgot the exact numbers, and the turing architecture has dwarfed my perception of memory clocks with it's +1000 memory clock possibilities.
But without watercooling?
50 degree celcius idle.
north bronze
Decided to switch from a Fractal Design case to a Cooler Master - MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case
and from a 3700x to a 3900x because fuck it, if I'm going for 1500$ budget might as well do overtime and get a 2000$ build I'll be able to keep for a long time
the extra 4 cores are 👌
dense wasp
Nice build
Wouldn’t use the mechanical drive, and probably get a Fractal design define C chassi instead, but a neat build indeed
north bronze
what's the difference @abstract kite ?
abstract kite
it's more high-end
better conductance
you won't see much difference, but it fits the build better
would you put cheap engine oil inside a lamborghini? no, even tho it's about the same
abstract kite
conductonaut
oh lol I have the same wifi card
it's a good one, people say the led makes some noise but you really need to be less than 5cm away to hear it
overall the build looks good 👍
north bronze
ty
sick reef
You don't put cheap engine oil in a lambo because it will likely clog, kill filters, and kill the engine.
But a good thermal paste regardless is always worth it, anything (that is branded) but the base paste really.
north bronze
Decided to go with Kryonaut instead after reading on both
sick reef
Isn't Kryonaut for specifically LN2 or did I forget their names?
north bronze
Conductonaut looks nice buuut I'd rather not risk using liquid metal since I don't do builds often
sick reef
You're talking between IHS and cooler right now, right?
north bronze
Talking about the thermal paste recommendation from Xaetral
Thermal Grizzly's "Kryonaut" paste 👀
Xaetral recommended Conductonaut but it's liquid metal and I'd rather not risk damaging the CPU or heatsink
sick reef
Yeah, use thermal paste.
urban gulch
I use water to cool my computer parts!
sick reef
Any of Hydronaut or Kryonaut should be good I guess. I thought Kryonaut was their LN2 specific stuff, but I guess they rebranded it.
north bronze
I'd love to jump into water cooling one day, but not for now
sick reef
I too, Faye, water my computer every once in a while to keep it cool. Now come autumn, I have to stock up on fertiliser, but I guess I have some time before the FPS has bloomed fully.
north bronze
lol
sick reef
Watercooling is an easier solution to get right, but more technically difficult.
fleet canopy
What if your room was cold and the water hasn't moved in a day?
sick reef
Well, then it's stale, and unsafe to drink. Obviously.
Remember, if the water source is still, then it is not certain to be safe to drink.
Stay safe out there, PC gaming with watercooling is a dangerous place, and you need to know your ins from your outs!
north bronze
Just pour Coke in there
sick reef
That will just erode the contacts. What you need is energy drink, for faster processing power.
fleet canopy
Monster
hexed horizon
Snort cok
fleet canopy
Monster is very energy
abstract kite
oh shit, I meant kryonaut, not conductonaut
sick reef
You could try offbrand but it might have a worse result on your PC.
fleet canopy
I'm actually interested to see if there was a Monster cooled PC
sick reef
Well, it wouldn't be for long.
fleet canopy
abstract kite
there's a belle delphine bathware AIO cooler
abstract kite
also boris did vodka cooling
sick reef
Vodka does work to a major extent though. The only problem comes when you get to the point where the alcohol dissipates, or after a long duration of time
It is quite pure of a product.
abstract kite
I think it's a good think if you take it into account when you design your thing
sick reef
76 C right something, that alcohol boils in.
abstract kite
like the immersion cooling
they had the system inside a liquid boiling at about 36°C so the processor stays at this temp because of phase change
abstract kite
nuh, it wasn't water
sick reef
So it would like detect the phase change as the change in temperature, and adjust?
Neat stuff in that case.
abstract kite
if the processor tries to get higher than, let's say, 36°C, the liquid boils, and as changing phase from liquid to gas takes a lot of energy, the processor stays at this temp
fleet canopy
He used some mineral water or idk
abstract kite
it's the same thing when you cook pasta, as they are inside water, it will never go above 100°C unless it runs out of water
sick reef
Oh, I understand. It is quite neat stuff then!
hexed horizon
Yeah but what about Ryzen APU budget builds
abstract kite
just blow on your cpu
budget cooler
post from another server, for reference
notice the kryonaut
dense wasp
@abstract kite not Artic for a high end build? What have you been smoking?:)
Most well built and sturdy cases I’ve worked with.
I’d argue 😉
But I’m a sucker for the clean, noice damped cases without windows
So I’m not down with the high end stuff I guess 🤷🏻♂️😅
abstract kite
hmmm idk, I was planning to buy artic for my build but my friend allowed me to use his kryonaut
north bronze
Should I get a static discharge bracelet
hexed horizon
Hmm
abstract kite
no
do you get shock multiple times per day?
if not just touch a big piece of metal and do your stuff
if it's less than 3~4 times a day you can also just touch the ground (the electrical one I mean)
and if you get more than 1 shock per hour then
- you have a big problem
- a bracelet is a good idea
void perch
A bracelet is like $3 so might as well to be safe
abstract kite
tbh I find those bracelet very cringe
it's like going outside with your umbrela deployed in case it rains, tho it doesn't and there's isn't any cloud
sick reef
Touch a tap if you're unsure
Also, noise dampened cases has that problem that it generates heat which makes the build run warmer which makes the fans go faster
Creating more noise
The best thing against noise is passive cooling.
void perch
I only recommend the bracelet for first timers so it's one less thing to worry about to fry their system. If you know what you are doing you can discharge frequently
fleet canopy
Cool
north bronze
not my first build, but I was wondering if it was any useful
i rarely get static shock and most of the time just touch some metal just in case
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fleet canopy
dense wasp
Yeah I just touch a radiator or something else metally to discharge, but I mean, the bracer is hardly any cost. So I guess why not🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Probably going to build some AMD rigs in the next 6 months, so will be getting myself a small computer building station 🤓
north bronze
pc builds are fun
hey @dense wasp will I be able to run GTFO on ultra with that ryzen 9 and 5700 xt? :^)
dense wasp
Most likely huh
fleet canopy
Hey 430659166118346753 will I be able to run GTFO on ultra with a 3900X and 2080 Ti?
dense wasp
No!
fleet canopy
God damn it
north bronze
Haha get rekt AMD FTW
fleet canopy
What do I need?
dense wasp
😂
fleet canopy
kek
north bronze
Tbh I wasn't very fond of AMD but they've been doing better and better
dense wasp
Indeed they have
abstract kite
you need to play on a potato to get the alien potato
abstract kite
potategg
urban gulch
Run? Probably! But do not expect it on the highest graphics. 😉
gusty glacier
Haha
late sorrel
j mean probably not
gusty glacier
very low low medium high very high gtfo
fleet canopy
Could I run it on an HP pc?
late sorrel
2fps
inner lily
lul
y'all hear about that one co founder over oculus that left the company talking about how he thinks that theres no market for vr?
sick reef
Not really, but not that I am that suprised.
But it is an exaggeration, as from the perspective of a founder, it's likely just a lack of profit. Profit being defined as a gain beyond investment costs. If it's just a lack of profit, or a net loss, I don't know.
hexed horizon
The VR market is non existing.
Not on PC and not on console.
All tho they are improving over time.
late sorrel
Like in a few years it’ll be bigger for sure
I mean I’ve got a plan to buy a headset
sick reef
It needs to be more affordable, and it needs a bigger repertoire of games, or alternative media, that are actually dedicated to it, or that would entice people.
pallid cedar
Steer clear of HTC if I could advise
terrible quality (most likely have some components DOA) and their repair/replacement service is horrendous.
My unit got shipped with a broken power adapter for one of my lighthouses, and they said it'll take over 4 weeks to send me a replacement
my headset has bleeding/dead pixels in the right eye
fleet canopy
oof
pallid cedar
and since I got mine from Newegg.ca, HTC won't refund me, and Newegg won't refund since I'm supposed to go through the manufacturer.
It's a ton of bs
stay away
get a Valve Index, they seem to be far better quality and worth the wait
late sorrel
I’m getting an index
fleet canopy
oof
pallid cedar
the index isn't available in Canada which is the only reason I went with HTC, wish I hadn't
bronze cloak
Aaaand is this is supposed to be indicative of the entire company?
I’ve heard great things about the vive, there are always going to be defective units
pallid cedar
this has been all over reddit for 2 years
it is very indicative of the company's customer service and manufacturing quality standards
they wouldn't be having repair/replacement fulfilment issues if they had stellar service and products lol
it means their repair/replacement offices are overwhelmed
due to faulty production
...seems straightforward to me :/
inner lily
HTC is pretty scummy
They held some dudes vive hostage
he sent it there for repairs and then they said it "isnt covered under warranty"
and they tried forcing him to pay to get it back
..even though they didnt do repairs.
which is why i'm saving for an Index
the only downside to the Index seems to be the controllers though
The finger tracking and all is great, but from reviewers ive heard the joystick leaves a lot to be desired, and the touch part in the middle is nearly useless
but, then again, im sure it just needs supportive updates from games to actually utilize it, so
plucky tangle
I know there are like 3 or 4 major competitors to vice and oculus now. They all get good reviews. And one is like an 8k screen or something crazy.
grim oracle
What do you call those type of earphones that do not have ear buds on them?
The opposite of In-ear earphones???
pallid cedar
headphones?
fleet canopy
Maybe a picture could help unless it's actually headphones
grim oracle
You know the earphones from Apple? The wired ones? Or the somehow popular airpods? I'm trying to buy something with a similar design to that, but its supposed to be bluetooth.
pallid cedar
those are still called earbuds
inner lily
Yeah the 8k pimax was a cool concept
The 200 degree FOV is a turn off tho
And it just looks so damn bulky
pallid cedar
oh I heard about that one, the wide view doesn't do anything since it still has the same round focus lenses inside it, obscuring the sides where the extra fov would matter :/
north bronze
I'll be taking an Index for sure
waiting for UE4's VR editor to support it and the knuckles controllers first tho
grim oracle
Earbuds? I mean there should be a name that distinguishes them from the ones with actual earbuds on the earphones. The in-ear ones have earpods on them.
pallid cedar
earbuds vs in-ear earbuds
fleet canopy
Was it said I would need a X570 board for 3600 and past that?
inner lily
No you do not need an x570 board for 3600 and beyons
Itd be the smart thing to do. But not needed
fleet canopy
Well
inner lily
Which chipset do u have
fleet canopy
I don't wanna go through Bios update
And it wouldn't help either, as I have an intel CPU
inner lily
Oh lol
Ok then if u have the money to spend on an x570 board and do not want to bios update then yes get one
But b450/b450f boards can handle up to 3900 (non x)
With bios update
fleet canopy
And that, I don't wanna do lol
inner lily
Understandable
fleet canopy
As that means I got to wait a few more days to get the right chip
inner lily
Hm?
fleet canopy
I don't mind just getting the X570 though
Should I also get a 3600 or the 3700X? I already kind of figured the 3600 could possibly be good enough for a 5700 XT, but I just wanted to make sure
bronze cloak
3600 would be great, afaik the 3700X is kind of a bad value
inner lily
the issue is though
is a lot of the X variants
are just factory turbo'd
and if you really wanted more bang for your buck you could just turbo up the non-x variants to the X speeds
that 130 dollars could be put towards a more powerful graphics card, more cooling, peripherials, software, etc.
fleet canopy
I already am deciding to get 3700 XT, kek
inner lily
but ultimately it's up to you what you do with your money and your pc. if i had the money to spend, i'd get an X model just so i wouldnt need to touch anything
inner lily
fair enough
when i save up enough money for my absolute cocaine pc build ill be doing 3900x, 2080ti K|NGP|N (or higher depending on whats out)
fleet canopy
And idk how to overclock tbh I've never done it
fleet canopy
I could try to overclock tbh
inner lily
my buddy was experimenting with OCing and ended up pushing his system too far so many times and it's just shut off over and over xD
inner lily
mayb look at some forums for what ur trying to OC so you can see what people reccomend and what they get
inner lily
mhm
fleet canopy
So I guess https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kBWnZR is pretty good?
I might have to change the motherboard ig, but the build seems pretty good overall
plucky tangle
You need an ssd
If for anything else other then the operating system. But ssd's are pretty cheap
fiery nacelle
@fleet canopy Whoah nice build
Some suggestions:
- Mobo - Do consider a Gigabyte X570 AM4 board
- Storage - A sizeable SSD (i.e. >500 GB) is pretty much a must these days with newer games (get a good SATA SSD if NVME SSDs are too pricy)
- GPU - Wait for custom RX 5700XT cards
- Case Fans - I heard Noctua has better coloured black and white fans somewhat
- Monitor - Better to get a 144Hz IPS or VA monitor than a TN one, if you can afford
north bronze
3950X, worth it over the 3900X or not?
late sorrel
In your position, probably
The 3950x has more cores and shit iirc, and a better multi speed
I can’t remember off the top of my head though
sick reef
Buildzoid did a video on motherboards for Gamers Nexus not too long ago, regarding specifically B450, X470, and X570. If you want info on them, I'd recommend that one.
north bronze
Dat price difference
But 4 extra cores
My father's going to murder me but worth it lul
sick reef
Would you use the extra cores?
north bronze
Game development, most of my time spent is spent compiling, so yeah extra cores, less boring time I guess
sick reef
I guess so.
sick reef
Wait, the 7400 or something?
north bronze
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
paired with a GTX 1050 makes me want to die
sick reef
The 4 core/4 threads? Can't remember fully, but it is one of the worst CPU's.
north bronze
yup 4 cores 4 threads
big oof
better than my old laptop but ever since I've dived into UE4 and C++ I just want a new PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erlite/saved/bJ7Mcf that's my plan so far
just need to switch to a 3950X and an MSI variant of the 5700XT later
sick reef
The two better options for motherboard is GIGABYTE X570 Aorus Elite, and ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus, in the lower price range.
Biggest difference being if it has Wifi or not.
Why do you get two 2x8 16GB instead of 4x8 32GB? 
Guess it's no biggie.
sick reef
But, for RAM, I would suggest buying something that is on the Memory Support list of the Motherboard, generally, and that supports the setup you want. In the example of the gigabyte board, after looking through it, the PV432G320C6K from PATRIOT is one of the options you would have for supported in four lanes at CL16. (Though this example is 64GB)
But it could work with other RAM's as well.
Most manufacturers have a huge list of them that you could look through for each motherboard
Oh wait, if you get the ASUS you can skip getting a Wifi adapter.
It'd be cheaper than getting that board and wifi adapter
fleet canopy
@plucky tangle I already have a 1 TB SSD in my current one rn
@fiery nacelle The current 931 GB SATA SSD is good enough?
Although I really could use another SSD as I have another SSD at SATA-2 but the storage space is undeniably crappy
At 111.3 GB kek and I only got like less than 6 GB on it
I'll add in a 500 GB SSD idgaf at this point kek
plucky tangle
@fleet canopy awww, I was just going off the build i saw. I have like 4 in my pc, two nand ssd, and two m.2 nvme ssd
I'll never use mechanical again
fleet canopy
Hehe
I'm just surprised with the price of going around 1500$
So I din't want to increase it too much but maybe I'll go a bit extra for SSDs
inner lily
i dont really have an issue with mechanical drives
then again ive never used an ssd so
660ps are REALLY cheap rn tho
like 99$ for a 1tb and 199 for a 2tb
fleet canopy
W u t ?
modern yew
You're really missing out on not using SSD
fleet canopy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sy6nZR Here's the updated
modern yew
I'm late to this, but any reason why you're going with the Kraken?
Seems more cost efficient to get a quality air cooler for half the price.
modern yew
¯_(ツ)_/¯ Good enough for me lol
fiery nacelle
@fleet canopy oh so long as the SSD is still usable, should be ok I suppose
fleet canopy
Yeah it's still useable
Also what are the benefits getting the different brand/company 5700 XT compared to the 5700 XT in my list rn?
Again, ping me uwu
modern yew
@fleet canopy UGH YOU LIKE THAT SHIT
inner lily
@fleet canopy better cooler.
maybe possibly better out of box performance via clock speed
but the blower cooler style is absolute shit
so i'd say wait until the AIB companies step in (mid august)
late sorrel
@fleet canopy the blower fan included in the AMD-branded cooler isn’t very good, so to get 10/10 performance you need to watercool it. The third party companies (MSI, Gigabyte, ECT.) come along and overclock it, as well as giving it sufficient cooling to handle the chip.
hexed horizon
Just buy a console
inner lily
im not going back to console! i wont do it! you cant make me!!!!
hexed horizon
it costs you half of what current midrange PC will cost and it will last up to 6+ years
inner lily
if you're smart with where youre buying things you can easily build yourself a good pc
plus pc allows for more freedom over a console and intercompatability with parts, upgrading, and generally i prefer my pc experience over my experience with consoles
even beastly cards like the 1080ti are cheap on ebay
late sorrel
Pug is just joking, he agrees
late sorrel
he’s done quite a lot of budget stuff
inner lily
i got baited hard
lol
ive been looking at a lot of prebuilts lately and they're so overpriced dude
like mini itx boards, not even partnered boards or ram and rather crappy coolers and its like..
heres a ryzen 5 2600 with a RX 570. give us 750 bucks.
late sorrel
bruh we don’t need the screenies
inner lily
sorry
late sorrel
prolly get a 5700XT when the third party coolers come out
inner lily
i wanna see how the 2080S pairs up against 5700xt / 2080 / 2080ti
because thats the card ive been saving for.. sunday ill have saved up 850
inner lily
i'm just looking for a good card that can drive the Index i plan to buy, aswell as game at ~144fps @ 1440p
which i know i can get from a 1080ti but i'm also looking to future proof
inner lily
this whole 'real time raytracing' thing is just a marketing ploy
but you cant deny that the cards are still good cards
albeit a bit pricy because of the rtx branding
late sorrel
It is technically real time raytracing to an extent
inner lily
the 1080ti can achieve around the same thing though with raytracing
late sorrel
it’s not like it’s the RTX you see when you google raytracing
inner lily
just wait for the NTX 3080ti super mega!!111one!
late sorrel
yes
bronze cloak
ugh, 2080s? my ZT 7030 blows those things wayyyyyy out of the water
inner lily
DUDE
just buy a radeon pro ssg
doesnt it come with like 1tb of nand on it
and its only like 10 grand
lululul
hollow summit
I'm interested in claims of Unreal Engine devs and the like of having real-time raytracing without resorting to AI approximations. I'd like to see some actual products with that.
I think they'll come alongside new consoles, honestly, and since new consoles use AMD hardware they're bound to feature something other than RTX for it
inner lily
just watch amd release a new card right alongside 2080S and demolish NV
hollow summit
Feels like the fifth time I heard that
Always look to the future with AMD graphics cards, eh
inner lily
amd has been kicking ass lately and i really hope that they can step up their higher end cards
late sorrel
I’d like the 5800XT/whatever to be good
inner lily
oh it's definitely good for its price point
late sorrel
I feel like the 5700XT and non XT have pushed up some control
It’s no longer just the cheaper cards
hollow summit
oh come on, 5700XT is already thermally strained, it's at the limit, how far do you expect them to go?
inner lily
just dont use blower style coolers smh
hollow summit
oh no no no
late sorrel
^^^^
inner lily
dude obviously
late sorrel
shush you
inner lily
lol
hollow summit
hehehehh
late sorrel
sorri :C
inner lily
and it was just a bunch of bs
hollow summit
I'm just increasingly tired of AMD fans' promises that this next card generation will definitely make them win everything
And then it's... about what AMD always does
It's cheaper
And has some parity
And that's about it
late sorrel
I mean it won’t make them win everything
inner lily
I'm interested to see what Intel is going to do with their gpus
late sorrel
but at least there catching up, albeit extremely slowly
hollow summit
And then, admittedly, 2 years later they fix all the DRIVER issues and it becomes 30% faster!
which is quite impressive
but it's a bit late, is all
late sorrel
lmao
inner lily
annnd then the card is outdated and outmatched
hollow summit
I mean if I were into messing with my GPU performance I'd gladly go for a... 580, is it? The one that can be undervolted for insane performance boosts while being like half the price of what it can compete with
I just don't want to put in the effort
inner lily
"Also, since I know there are a lot of threads on this blower design:
The Radeon group historically has had a bad reputation of producing product launch charts that didn’t match up to real world performance. Love it or hate it the blower allowed us to guarantee performance in every system to match our launch charts. Not everyone cools their PC as good as a reviewer and definitely not as good as some of the pictures you guys have shared. It was my goal to clean all of this up so that you can trust our performance you hear from us on stage."
late sorrel
Yeah, the 580 is doing reasonable
hollow summit
Yeah Steve Burke called total BS on that excuse
And I tend to trust his experience in the field
inner lily
^
hollow summit
I mean I understand the use of those Hynix thermal pads
Nobody reasonably expects even an advanced PC user to re-apply thermal paste to their GPU
Something that can maintain longevity is important, there
But the blower...
AMD Pls.
inner lily
yeah myself i've had a "meh" pc for about 2-3 years and never thought about tearing down the card
i just did my first teardown earlier this week when i was helping my buddy make his new ryzen-based pc
hollow summit
I'd just be mortally terrified of scratching the die with my terrible motor coordination
inner lily
^^^
hollow summit
unlike CPU's the GPU die isn't protected
inner lily
i have terribly shaky hands
late sorrel
ono
inner lily
so busting open that rx460 (Even though its only a 50$ card) scared me lmao
late sorrel
Tbh, I may go for the 2080Super if it does well
inner lily
im just happy the AIBs drop WITH the card
late sorrel
I’m just not trusting AMD much recently in the GPU market
hollow summit
I hope Intel doesn't mess up their GPU entries
inner lily
inb4 intel drops some godlike gpu
hollow summit
I'd like them to compete on all fronts, not just go straight for data farm compute
late sorrel
now that should be cool
hollow summit
But who knows
inner lily
im loving the m.2/nvme drive prices droping
hollow summit
Any competition is good competition, even AMD's parity offerings make Nvidia kick prices down
It's not perfect, but it's there
And yeah, same as Sig, I would really like an affordable 1440p card just for the Valve Index :P
980 Ti is starting to show its age with VR
inner lily
not sure if you were around in this chat when i said it
i think you were but
oculus's cofounder saying theres no market for vr kinda worries me a bit because if hes right then yikes
hollow summit
Well you said you were saving up, I think? But it's fair to say you'd prefer not to have to do that
hollow summit
Truth be told I'm happy with VR's place in gaming so far, I don't want it to go big
inner lily
yeah theres not a lot of ocmpetitors to be fair with vr
hollow summit
It going big would result in the same dissemination of games down to casual-friendly nonsense
inner lily
and htc is scummy.
hollow summit
And I like that H3VR exists!
And H3VR exists because people aren't casual about their VR games!
inner lily
dude some of the VR things ive seen are amazing
stuff like Zero Caliber
the like 3 big mmos that are in Vr are really cool too
hollow summit
They want it to break the mold, to raise the bar on gaming, and AAA games are the direct opposite of that
inner lily
i found a game that i thought was really interesting
its like a desktop/vr co-op game
where u have a buddy on desktop.. and ur in vr but playing the same game
hollow summit
Big budget titles want to do things safe, want to do things comfortable, on loop, with no risk, while VR is like the 90's basement gamedev
With indies taking big steps into the scary rabbit hole of complete immersion
inner lily
oh yeah the indie boys developing these amazing vr games is stunning
hollow summit
Oh yeah I've seen a couple of those, probably good for party gaming
inner lily
like the boys at corridor/node
hollow summit
There was one where like, you have to get through an obstacle course
inner lily
just did VFX on yt for a while.. then branched out into making VR games
hollow summit
and the VR player is this big super monster that keeps throwing stuff at you
And just trying to stop you
so the VR player always sees the PC player and has to hunt them down
while the PC player has all the simplified fast controls to dodge everything, it looked great
Although my big addiction for now is definitely H3VR. Take and Hold is so good.
hollow summit
And also really shows why military people have to train so hard
Swapping a magazine under pressure is uh
Is difficult 😆
inner lily
haha
hollow summit
Even more so with limited ammo, when you have to save the empty magazine, you can't throw it away
inner lily
sadly its not a VR game but it would look amazing in it
hollow summit
I'm a bit afraid of going into multiplayer games in VR
inner lily
ive been number crunching i havent been able to buy any games lately
hollow summit
Just cause I feel like I'm so bad at it I'll embarrass myself
inner lily
literally just like "okay if i buy NOTHING for the next 6 weeks i can get a 2080s when it comes out"
hollow summit
oh. Oh it's not VR. Dammit.
I think there is a VR game of a similar style, though!
inner lily
it looks extremely similar to Zero Caliber
hollow summit
not Onward, I forget its name, but I saw something very similar
hollow summit
Telefrag looks f a s t
inner lily
i think the one thing i gotta get used to with vr is the whole
moving without any headbob
coz i did play on my friends oculus and i almost fell over a couple times because of it
with the whole like it feels like the MAP is moving AROUND you and not that you're moving
but i assume that with time you get used to it
inner lily
which vr headset do you have currently?
hollow summit
Basically I tried to think about it as if "I'm moving relative to that item"
not "moving through the world"
just have a visual point of reference that I navigate AROUND
I use a Vive
inner lily
hows that treat you?
inner lily
i've only had experience with a rift (non s)
and i gotta say.. controllers were good
but the displays left stuff to be desired
hollow summit
Well, a good controller definitely helps a lot, which is why I'm excited for Index as a whole
But controllers especially
hollow summit
Even if I can't get my hands on Index, I must have those Knuckles
hollow summit
Oh, that's the case with Vive too, for sure
inner lily
he lives in canada
hollow summit
first generation VR is very rough on the display front
inner lily
so hes gonna paypal me the money.. then i buy it for him and ship him it
hollow summit
I mean, from what I saw online, Vive looks sharper
but it also has wayyyy more screendoor effect
like you ALWAYS see a mesh in front of your eyes
hollow summit
Yeah, Index has a higher resolution and the reason they used LCD instead of OLED is so make the light cover up those gaps between pixels
so there is no screendoor effect
very, very important for immersion
inner lily
i think the only time i was able to read on the Rift
hollow summit
BUT
inner lily
was when i like put my hands up and held down two little buttons under the headset
hollow summit
no.1 having no screendoor is EVEN WORSE on your motion sickness, so be careful
inner lily
but as soon as i put my hands down i couldnt read
it was the lens adjusters, almost like they were slightly off
hollow summit
and no.2 somehow Valve still didn't fix the glare issues, there is insane glare on Index
some people say even more than on Vive
hollow summit
personally I don't mind it, but
inner lily
like inside the headset?
hollow summit
basically when there's a bright light in a dark room
that bright light reflects off the lens
inner lily
ahhh okay
hollow summit
so you have huuuuge like, god rays
inner lily
is that fixable with like uh
hollow summit
to the left and right of the light
inner lily
brightness adjustments?
hollow summit
no, it's absolutely not fixable, it's about contrast not brightness
it's basically always there
hollow summit
personally - it's not a problem
inner lily
Gaben was already talking about index 2
hollow summit
most of the time environments have multiple light sources
inner lily
but we all know we'll never get index 3
hollow summit
The best thing I heard from their post-launch party
Is Gabe talking about opportunities to make it CHEAPER
So that $1000 is definitely not what Index will be stuck on
inner lily
yeah
one thing im noticing about untethered headsets is you are definitely sacrificing storage
hollow summit
Even though I'm more than ready to pay $1000 and I think it's completely worth $1000 :)
inner lily
but im sure theres some sort of dongle you could add and have an ssd strapped on the side lmao
hollow summit
well, actual PC connected wireless HMD's don't need storage
you're not storing anything on it
inner lily
yeah its the untethered ones
hollow summit
it's just transmitting to and from the PC, as usual
inner lily
like the rift quest
hollow summit
yeah but, HTC also has a wireless dongle
inner lily
i think it only has up to like a 64gb option?
hollow summit
and there's a third party wireless solution for the original Rift
inner lily
which, in todays age.. is nothing
hollow summit
Which, people say, works extremely well
yeah, the Virtual Desktop app developer has added VR functionality to his app
inner lily
i have to say i REALLY enjoyed the oculus controllers (although ive never used anything else so lmao)
hollow summit
then Oculus demanded that feature be taken off
because it breaks into their Rift S sales
:/
So instead he added it as a side-loaded module into some app called SideQuest
inner lily
heh
hollow summit
And... basically yeah, it lets you use the Quest as your SteamVR headset
and play Steam games, on Quest
inner lily
yeah thats always something i found peculiar
the whole "well if u get oculus u get oculus store!"
hollow summit
I will pretty much never buy an Oculus product because of their way of doing business
Even though I see great value in the Quest with that sideload app, just... no
inner lily
i myself am really scared of getting the Vive because of horror stories ive heard from people
which is why im really deadset on a Index
hollow summit
SteamVR runs on open source code, Lightboxes can be used by other manufacturers for their own hardware, and Valve even gives away their tracking license for free
they just don't take money!
inner lily
yeah i really like the intercompatability concept of the Vive headsets and the Index
hollow summit
If you want to make a VR headset Valve set up this entire ecosystem that's... completely open, they just want you to use it
That's crazy
inner lily
it gives me hope for future developers and companies that want to get into vr creation
and its just like.. if you make a headset im sure valve will be happy to work with you to get more people to use their system
hollow summit
Also, Lightbox tracking > optical tracking, Inside-out isn't worth the losses
Like I understand the appeal of inside-out for people who only just try out VR
because it's much easier to work with
inner lily
yeah
hollow summit
But Lightboxes are technologically superior
hollow summit
I'd just recommend for anyone looking into serious VR experience to go with Lightbox tracking
The way it's designed is brilliant in its simplicity, and simplicity is important
Because Rift CV1 had massive USB bandwidth issues
having to use actual cameras to track objects in the play area
was far too taxing in terms of the amount of data used
Meanwhile Lighthouses are like "oh"
"I see two dots"
"Where are these dots? Here, and here. That means I'm here!"
The sheer simplicity of it
inner lily
yeah and the s with inside out had issues tracking if you were holding a gun
or the controlers in like
a line
and that went on for a while
hollow summit
On launch they also had problems tracking hands when they come too close, because cameras couldn't focus well
They fixed that, but those are just pitfalls of using real-time images for tracking
And I mean, they have IR lights on the Touch controllers, so they work in the dark
...BUT THE PLAY AREA DOESN'T!
Because it bases your play area on the highlights in your room!
And it can't see those in the dark!
inner lily
i feel like inside out could be good if it just.. worked better
hollow summit
The problem is inherent with having to analyze an entire picture
There's a lot of useless stuff to sift through, and that stuff can obscure the important elements
While the lighthouse is literally just two IR dots
SteamVR has no idea what your room even is, what it looks like, it doesn't need to
all it needs is the two dots, per station
inner lily
my buddy was talking about how all this vr shit is well and good but then just need to hurry it up and give us what SAO has
lmao
hollow summit
Oh and by the way a Facebook subsidiary knowing what your room looks like bothers me a bit :)
But I do understand that some people don't want uhh...
Don't want THIS. In their room.
:D
inner lily
is that worth setting up?
hollow summit
Yes.
inner lily
ive seen youtubers do it before but like.. is it actually worth spending the time and setting it up?
hollow summit
Yes.
inner lily
and is it difficult at all to do?
hollow summit
Which part?
inner lily
like all of it? is it easily done in a day?
hollow summit
I'm not sure if I can answer that, I'm having too much fun with techy stuff
Like this setup has been changed multiple times over a month
Just to improve it
Can it be set up in a day... hmm
Ok, if you have walls you can put screws into
yes, you can set it up in a day
inner lily
see my issue is that i live in an apartment and screwing all this stuff into walls is a bit spooky
hollow summit
But if you don't, and have to haphazardly place stations on... shelves and such
inner lily
and my room is rather small aswell
hollow summit
It will be a nightmare that haunts you for weeks
Technically, you only need to put 4 screws in
2 per mounting ball, for a lighthouse
the rest of this is my add-ons
inner lily
i heard that a smart thing to do is to uh
just get some of those ball socket poles or whatever
and just move those
hollow summit
Basically I bought a kit to suspend the wire in the air
ball socket poles can work, that's what I used before
but
A. they take up a lot of space
and B. if you move them, your play area will break
and you have to do it again
which is why I said if you have to just put it on shelves or something like that - it will haunt you
inner lily
yeah
hollow summit
fixed mounts are best
inner lily
thats a big reason i was looking into the uh
rift s - the ability to not worry about stations
especially in my small room
hollow summit
Oh I mean if you can't set up the play space that's fair enough
I just think you're taking on some losses as a compromise, there
But there's no other choice
inner lily
i probably could set one up im just a bit worried about the logistics
hollow summit
Well
inner lily
and how it would work and if its even SLIGHTLY off it'd tick me off to no end
hollow summit
the VR headset can be placed anywhere you want, it has a long cable
And the lighthouse boxes only need power
so you need a power outlet for them, and to bring that one cable there
and that's it, you're done
inner lily
yeah the power outlet situation in my room is.. less than nominal.
hollow summit
I mean my setup looks like a nightmare because of the add-ons
I use a separate microphone, so it's an extra cable
and I use a suspension system so my cable isn't on the floor
That's a whole bunch of mounts, and cables, and having to put the power outlets on the wall with tape
so it's this terrifying spider web
the actual Vive setup is... two power cables for the lighthouses
inner lily
hold ona sec im uh
hollow summit
and everything else can come straight from your PC
inner lily
going to show ya somethin here in a couple mins
hollow summit
I mean I won't have a problem with someone picking up Oculus great because they can't set up the tracking things, it's just that... I don't like pretty much anything else about them
Oh wait, Touch controllers, okay two things
inner lily
that's kinda my room, except my bed takes up a bit more space
and i plan on switching my bed and my desk/pc
so i was going to set up my VR in that empty space at the foot of where the bed is now
but the outlet situation there leaves a bit to be desired
hollow summit
Could you add an outline for what you want the play space to be?
inner lily
yah
hollow summit
It'd be easier to understand where the stations can be placed
inner lily
lemme adjust a bit to make sure everthings kinda more realistic
hollow summit
although they can be placed pretty far from the play space, they don't have to be right on it
the only real requirement is that they're set up directly opposite one another
inner lily
ideal play space is around the yellow
which i mean could work but getting it wired up from the floor to the ceiling would require longer cables yes?
hollow summit
the stock cable for lighthouses is quite long, it's about 3 meters
inner lily
oh okay!
hollow summit
hold on, I'll mess with the image...
inner lily
that definitely puts me a bit at ease
hollow summit
so, how long is the room? From top to bottom of that picture
inner lily
uh i dont know i really havent measured it but i think its
about
1 1/3 full sized bed
if that helps LOL
hollow summit
haha
ok to be fair if you were looking to pick up lighthouse tracking, it would be the Index anyway, right?
so 2.0
inner lily
mhm
hollow summit
most likely no issues with distance