I never had many issues in PD2 with griefing when doing loud, and if I did they never stood out enough for me to remember them. Now someone ruining stealth and leaving though, yeah that happened once or twice. But that's life, it doesn't happen every lobby and didn't ruin the game for me.
#gtfo-related-questions
coarse spire
blissful dove
GTFO will have player drop-in.
fast python
I had to literally make the heist unfailable to not get griefed in stealth. In loud, randoms were usually too bad at the game to finish something completely. So I stopped trying, and I never looked back.
Hopefully the community of GTFO is better, at least in personality.
coarse spire
@fast python stealth was just hard despite what others have you believe. It's why I eventually did public loud lobbies but only did private stealth with krong
fast python
Isn't hard to start throwing nades as soon as you spawn in, or fire your gun, or running literally straight in, or running straight for and into laser alarm.
coarse spire
I mean if they're just griefing to grief then yeah that's not "hard" lol
fast python
Actual griefing.
coarse spire
I mean yeah it happens, but it didn't happen regular enough to drive me from pugs
I quit pugs because people just sucked at stealth lol
fast python
Rougly 1/4 people griefed. Roughly 1/4 - 1/2 people were bad. I don't fully mind bad, but I didn't want to hedge my bet further than my patience, so I just soloed.
coarse spire
Oof my experience was not that bad
I got a griefer once a day or so, but baddies? Def more than half. I'd have to kick people easily every lobby until we actually passed it the 6th time. So like 1/6 lobbies worked out.
It's why I just went private with krong. We'd pass almost everytime barring a fluke just me and him
narrow kettle
i typically play pubs for entertainment
ocean moth
Well they could DC to grief but in the end that would only really hurt them right? It is a loot based game so them leaving really only hurts themselves. I think if you leave the game (no matter the cause) you should lose all items/loot/gear that you earned. Perhaps if EXP is a thing then let them keep that only.
as for them breaking stealth or messing up well griefing and just messing up/being new/being incompetent are not the same thing. If people coming in just to ruin the game like Labcat said happens then a votekick option should be allowed.
continuing discussion over in #gtfo-game-suggestions to prevent clogging the channel if anyone is interested in this topic as it is a suggestion
terse obsidian
@narrow kettle play Ring of Elysium 
narrow kettle
@terse obsidian wrong channel and no :)
terse obsidian
Hehe I was just replying to that one thing 😉
Oh nvm I just woke up an read it wrong I thought you said you played pubg for entertainment lol
narrow kettle
👌
terse obsidian
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glass ermine
I was wondering about the release push to Spring 2019, what needed more polish? Level design? Combat? Balance? Optimisation? General bugfixing? That would be all. Thanks!
blissful dove
It's more than mere polish that needed to be done.
narrow kettle
@glass ermine
ocean moth
I know this isn't an imperative feature and quite honestly I can't even use this feature but will GTFO support RTX card raytracing? (cause that would make an RTX so worth lol)
hexed bronze
I doubt it's worth the development time, literally one game has RTX enabled and thats Battlefield V.
Only a small minority of people even own an RTX card.
ocean moth
yeah I know lol I don't even own one was just wondering
odd plinth
thorny bobcat
no
lunar bay
i can comfirm that, No :3
toxic pike
How would one aquire higher tier weapons in the game
coarse spire
from what we know playing expeditions and "proving" yourself to the warden
ocean moth
are we gonna have a lore forum/wiki made for GTFO considering we the players are supposed to discover it all ourselves?
frank cairn
Too bad we don't got a whole lot of lore to work with.
ocean moth
was just curios for game release when we want to actually archive it for further use
rather than digging through discord discussions
lol
narrow kettle
We might make a lore discussion channel at a later date if enough people want one
finite silo
Where can I post my Bishop x Hackett r34 fanfic?
narrow kettle
On another Discord :)
finite silo
Ok thanks
narrow kettle
you're welcome
finite silo
Happy New Year by the way
glass heart
willow shoal
I imagine someone will start a GTFO Wiki once the game launches. I have a few ideas kicking around in my brain for a sort of companion/prequel novelization based on what we know so far.
grand cloak
Hello I’m curious if this game is set up like L4D/Earthfall/Siege where you just choose maps from a match lobby? Or if it’s kind of an open world and you can explore and choose to go on particular expeditions (raids/maps/ etc) like destiny2/the division etc etc
hard tiger
From what I heard it's going to be more like a party system (public and private). It should mimic Payday within that regard, but you could relate it to LFD games within that regard (similar but different)
But I could be completely wrong
blissful dove
GTFO is the opposite of "open world"; it's "closed prison". 😉
thorny bobcat
GTFO is an open world game. It's just that the door to the world is locked
blissful dove
Haha no but seriously, it's not open world.
fast valve
Gtfo is rpg tbh
inland fable
Gtfo is similar to Black desert online? 👌
I have not seen if this question has been asked but how long have you been working on Gtfo?
With you a partner who financially helps you to keep all these years?
It's never easy for small teams. Which obviously do not have the means of big studio like ubisoft or EA.
There you can live personally and be able to continue working on the game.
lunar bay
where is a relation between black dessert and gtfo? xD
mild ravine
@lunar bay Just smile and wave until the question leaves this chat
lunar bay
I take that as joke xD but yea i have to be serious in some kind of way xD
willow shoal
Ok, just looked up Black Desert. Yeah, more similarities between Black Desert and the other 1,983,456 fantasy adventure MMOs out there... so, like, not like GTFO, like, at all.
inland fable
It's a joke guys ^^ i follow this "
happyAujourd'hui à 10:59
Gtfo is rpg tbh "
mild ravine
But thats like the only similarity
Thats like me saying fallout 76 is like gtfo
Because the similarity is its a RPG
probs cus im half asleep im taking it way 2 srs
willow shoal
I'd guess they've been working on GTFO for at least 3 years, considering Ulf announced the game that would eventually become GTFO on January 24, 2016. Title and first images were released in May 2017.
As for funding? They probably still receive some money from Sony (Payday) and 505 Games (Payday 2), but no idea how that works.
tranquil fog
i mean that all sounds like theroys, but thats all up to devs to awnser how funding is done 
willow shoal
And you probably won't ever get that answer. Because devs are under no obligation to answer it.
grand cloak
@blissful dove Yea I understand that its in a prison of sorts. I was just curious about the lobby I guess. Is there a place where I can get a better idea about the game?
Most the description are just "4 player co-op in a prison with monsters" which- honestly has me sold already. I'll buy it based on that and on the graphics /aesthetics alone.
Just curious of the types of gameplay that may be offered other than the obvious "arcade style play through missions and murder things"
rose basalt
There's no more info than that at the moment
This is already the best place for info about the game tbh
hexed bronze
We know there's team based puzzles. One involves you going to a computer console and your team mate has to communicate to the person what they need to actually physically type while fending off enemies.
rose basalt
With types of gameplay you mean game modes, by the way?
rose basalt
We don't know if there will be other game modes, although I think it's unlikely
hexed bronze
The main flavor is the expeditions you go on, that's what they're focusing on.
grand cloak
My question would be how many of those do they plan to launch with and what type of roadmap do they have for expansion?
rose basalt
Unknown, but given the way they make maps, I'm sure there will be plenty
grand cloak
I bought Earthfall which is similar in scope and theyve pretty much dropped the ball with pushing out content.
The way they make maps?
rose basalt
They use procedural generation to make maps, then curate the best results and handcraft them
This allows them to make maps at a good speed
grand cloak
gotcha- thats not bad as long as they have a good library of base map sections.
which is looks like they do.
hexed bronze
Earthfall is a carbon copy of L4D, which isn't a large scope to compare it too imo.
GTFO is somewhat more ambitious because they're going to demand a lot of team work and communication to succeed.
grand cloak
eh- just because they've added a few different mechanics doesn't mean it has any larger of a scope.
could still launch with 4 expeditions and then make you pay for expansions
which is what I'm kind of asking the devs
hexed bronze
Updates are free
We don't know how many levels there are.
One thing to note if you're going into this game epxecting to play it like L4D it won't quite be like that
even though it looks like that on the surface
grand cloak
Yeah- I'm not expecting it to be like L4D really. The base model is similar. but that could be attributed to many games.
I was watching the E3 showcase and I guess they are wanting to be more esoteric about the game. so I doubt they will let us in on much it seems.
lusty canyon
If I wanted all the information available about GTFO what sources would I go to?
coarse spire
coughs in honeygtfo
barren forum
Is there going to be the option of pre purchasing at some point before it comes out?
coarse spire
Simon's said no preorders
lusty canyon
What a legend
vocal bridge
this is a question towards simon and sound design, in the video that was posted in media chat how did you get/make that noise for the tendril monster?
blissful dove
@grand cloak The game takes place inside the underground Complex, and is anchored around the elevator that takes you down there and brings you back up. So every expedition leads through an isolated section of the Complex but at the end you'll get to an elevator that takes you back up to your captors who forced you down there.
I can't say how many expeditions there will be at release but I assure you that you'll get your money's worth - and updates will be free.
grand cloak
Cool! Thanks
blissful dove
@vocal bridge It's a mix between a tremolo processed sample of a squirting water bottle, tremolo processed sample of mosquitoes and wet flesh slobbering. What sounds you hear depends on how close you are to the different parts of the monster (the sound is different at the monster's head and at the end points of the tendrils.)
The sound of the monster's voice is Ulf's voice, but heavily, heavily processed.
We did a ton of extreme voice recordings at @quick stump 's place.
lilac fulcrum
it's amazing how creative you can get by using what's around you.
blissful dove
There's also a high pitched sound based on a sample of a beating heart but I don't know exactly what I've done to it to make it that high pitched and sustained.
lilac fulcrum
So what you're saying is we need to get samples of all the devs' beating hearts to figure out the easter egg of the whose it is?
karmic kelp
blissful dove
@lilac fulcrum Lol. We have to go deeper.
vocal bridge
gotta say sound design is fantastic 👌🏿
another question what did you do to make the gun sounds ?
strange geode
Are we going to have set characters like Dallas Hoxton etc or player created ones?
rose basalt
set characters
strange geode
Nice
craggy pier
Its the extra content post-release gonna be sold as DLC, or free, or just a mix of both?.
ocean moth
@craggy pier check faq for that answer. GTFO will be strictly DLC FREE when it comes to extra content. The only DLC is perhaps a "support the dev" pack that would be cosmetic/non-gameplay altering items.
any "extra" content will be part of continuous updates as part of the game. Exactly how it should be
craggy pier
Thanks mate
ocean moth
yep!
craggy pier
Are weapons gonna be like sci-fi (laser rifles, micro missiles ive heard of, etc) more conventional like bullets or an in-between like aliens (pulse rifles, miniguns with autotargeting)?
craggy pier
Hope they add something like a pulse rifle
coarse ferry
when will we be allowed to pre order GTFO?
unique shard
Will there be a difficulty filter to search for games?
And how are the servers going to work?
hexed bronze
We don't know much on how difficulty will work. Servers are peer to peer.
coarse spire
Per difficulty:
Simon: Re difficulties: There will be ways to adapt the difficulty to your ability, or increase the challenge if you like pain, but it won't work as in other games where it's just an option in the lobby screen.
That's basically all we know
unique shard
Ok, many thanks
lusty laurel
I have a question for the devs. Are you guys big fans of the Aliens movie from 1986 ? I was just wondering. Looking at the newest trailers for GTFO, I am getting that vibe big time. 😛 This looks like it is going to be an awesome game. I can't wait for it.
tepid palm
Will the game have a mechanism for a player to rejoin the same game if they get disconnected in the middle of the session? (one of my friends tend to have internet issues from time to time)
coarse spire
Drop in is a thing they've developed yeah
But if the host is the one to dc the lobby ends I believe
(i.e no host migration last time we asked simon)
trim quartz
is there going to be a beta relase?
coarse spire
Yeah
February at the earliest to late April early may at the latest is my personal guess.
zealous sage
hello people! its my first time in here and im pretty excited for this game (just the trailer was awesome)
i have a question, what does it mean the monologue of the narrator in the trailer? is him just getting used to go underground for the scavenging or means another thing much more sinister? someone refers to it as he is a guy who has become one of the monsters in the complex...
blissful dove
Hi and welcome, @zealous sage . The narration in the trailer is meant to be mysterious and ambiguous. Sorry, you won't get an answer from any of the developers about what it means exactly.
zealous sage
oh ok, ty simon by the way 😊
i have another question: after you pass a mission succesfully, how it evolve? you stay in the Complex and travel even deeper in the underground, or just simply start another mission?
blissful dove
Every expedition ends at an elevator that takes you back up "to the surface" (although you never get to see the actual surface, you're always kept inside the Complex to prevent you from escaping.)
Then, from the elevator, you choose your next expedition.
zealous sage
nice! i love the concept of the game.
about the characters, are the same guys shown in the trailer or you customize it yourself?
i dont know if you have played hunt:showdown, you choose there a character and lose it permanently, but you have a "lineage" system where you keep experience and can buy another using ingame cash. maybe the system you use is similar?
blissful dove
In Hunt, the characters feel more like empty husks that just harbor your profile data/progression. They don't talk much, there's no need for a deep backstory for the character because you're likely to lose the character soon anyway, etc. We've decided to make the characters permanent, so that we can make them more interesting and have them talk a lot with one another, comment on the surroundings, etc. We believe this will increase the atmosphere in GTFO a lot.
glass ermine
Hey @blissful dove , I was wondering if I could see a list of people working on the game, to see what they worked on before, I'm aware of you and Ulf working on PAYDAY titles, or the whole team was part of the OVERKILL Crew?
blissful dove
^
hollow sparrow
Can anyone tell me if the Expedition Director is a 5th player or just a game mode? A friend asked me if it was a 4 or 5 player game and asked me about the Expedition Director thing, but I've never heard of it and now I'm confused
narrow kettle
I think you friend might have meant the Warden who sends you on expeditions
But that's just a story thing
GTFO is a 4 player coop game
Also, you should check out #become-an-ambassador to get your spicy role and the GTFO Newsletter @hollow sparrow
hollow sparrow
ok, thank you very much
glass ermine
Such a lovely team working on this game. But, something's not right. Is this 9ChambersCollective? Where's our tenth fellow?
narrow kettle
Not working there anymore afaik
rose basalt
It's also the max amount of people they want to have iirc
i mean in the company, not the game
rose basalt
craggy pier
Will death have some sort of repercution in the game, since we are dealing with something like zombies?
coarse spire
You can't die you can only go down and then wait to be picked up by a teammate
vocal bridge
im not remembering what happens but is there a l4d2 timer
coarse spire
unless you mean squad wipes in which we don't know what'll happen. We presume nothing special, just failure but since simon mentioned no loading screens I can't really say.
vocal bridge
when your downed
coarse spire
What do you mean lfd2 timer? You stay down until you get picked up. There is no death.
vocal bridge
oh ok
but wait in the first reveal trailer there was every one except one was blacked out kind of
coarse spire
Yeah they were either downed and waiting to be picked up off screen or it was a super, super early dev build and things changed
coarse spire
Either way simon's already confirmed you don't ever "die" you just go down until a wipe occurs
it'd be interesting if simon could tell us what happens with a wipe since apparently no load screens aside from inital game loading from logo
vocal bridge
yeah
still interesting
i wonder if when team mates are downed
its possible to sneak back to team mates
where sleepers walk away
or they stay
and you can sneak revive
coarse spire
well stealth is dynamic between each individual player so theoretically yeah, issue is we don't know if the AI will prioritize chasing down other alive players or puppy guard current downed players
or at what point the prioritization switches
craggy pier
or is there gonna be a thing like the skill inspire from Payday 2 where you can revive people from far away instantly with a cooldown or no
narrow kettle
no
coarse spire
@craggy pier There aren't any skills in this game, your role in the team is defined by the loadout you bring. Your loadout consists of your standard weapon, special weapon, and a tool. Your tool is pretty much what's going to designate you as the ammo carrier, medic, scout, etc. (https://i.imgur.com/nwvYAnh.jpg)
craggy pier
ok
blissful dove
Haha, Destiny is legit. The first game, that is. Game design-wise we've been very inspired by it.
lilac fulcrum
I've got like 3,500 hours in the destiny franchise...
narrow kettle
Put around 200 into D2
lilac fulcrum
I also run the main DTG discord server for r/Destinythegame.
craggy pier
I got D2 when it went free but I haven't had it installed
Doesn't help that my Steam library folder is 783 GB big...
blissful dove
Regarding loading screens, there might be loading screens when you wipe and restart an expedition (or at the last checkpoint) or want to go back to the elevetor to choose another expedition. I may have jumped the gun when I said there were no loading screens at all.
D2 went free?
craggy pier
I think for 24 hours or something?
blissful dove
Ah.
craggy pier
Nov 2 through nov 18
sick plaza
Everything has a loading screen in some way or another, so no harm done. ❤
craggy pier
Yee, good plan
Nobut yeah the loading screens sound unobtrusive
Wait was that word used correctly?
sick plaza
Sometimes a loading screen can also be a good quick breather/break for players, if things are getting too intense or riled up.
I know my friends get SUPER salty about the silliest things, so after a really bad or close failure-- a loading screen would give them some time to get all their B-word'ness out.
sick plaza
Shhh, I'm trying so hard to make it work, but the text editing is ruining my efforts.
Also, while I'm here and feeling chatty-- I suppose I'll ask a question I'm sure is already answered somewhere and I just am too blind or lazy to find it. But why do y'all not want to do pre-orders?
I can take a few guesses, but if an actual reason has been given I'm definitely interested to hear it.
Cause I'm sure, even if it meant waiting a good while, tons of people here (including myself) would happily pre-order without any direct or immediate incentives other than helping y'all out to make the game as awesome as possible. 💙 ((I'll end any further notes on that question there though. 😃 ))
craggy pier
Simon, are you guys going the mw3 route with weapon sounds (reusing 4 sounds in different pitch) or something more classic?
vocal bridge
Oh yeah destiny 2 is free but the dlc is still full price and you cant get past certain parts of the main game withought paying for dlc which is no good
narrow kettle
I already said that earlier.
craggy pier
Any paid dlcs coming to the game?
craggy pier
mortal anchor
@sick plaza Hey, the question about preorder is a day or two old but anyways: We don’t want to take your money before we know the game good enough to sell. The game is going to be good, but we are so few so it’s hard for us to know WHEN it’s gonna be done. So we’d rather not have that kind of relationship with our community until you guys can get something for the money.
Appreciate the support though, wishlists on steam is our most valuable metric right now!:)
craggy pier
Is there an estimated price yet?
narrow kettle
Below $60
narrow kettle
frozen hamlet
Is the game free for ambassadors? Or we need to support the devs too buy paying :)
finite silo
You have to buy the ability to buy the game
frozen hamlet
Abilities arent bought they're learned
mild ravine
Fuck
Then we gained the skilline to Play the beta
Even if the game was free i would still pay to support
craggy pier
Do you really think you gonna get the game for free because you subscribed to a newsletter ?
lunar bay
hahah i can tell you no
glass heart
Game ain't gonna be free.
glass ermine
but the BETA will be free
glass ermine
what are the character names again?
blissful dove
Woods (American accent)
Dauda (Nigerian accent)
Hackett (Irish accent)
Bishop (London accent)
coarse spire
Woods (badass)
glass ermine
was there a change in names? in the trailer, there is a person named North
coarse spire
There was he's now Hackett
coarse spire
I can see woods being mad about those jokes since he's catholic lol
Oh God the meme value with this team is gonna be as good as Payday isn't it
static salmon
Do we have any confirmation as to who voices the characters?
vocal bridge
is there a credit sequence at the end of every game like what every ones scores were?
mild ravine
What will the rewards be when we do a mission and what symbolance will the resources/items we get do? if thats up for answering
blissful dove
Symbolance?
mild ravine
Like will the recources be of use
Or what we get for completing the mission or is there nothing
blissful dove
@static salmon The voice actors are Edward Bosco, Jude Akuwudike, Ronan Summers and Jamie Ballard.
@vocal bridge There will be an "expedition successful" screen, yes, showing the results of the expedition. I'm not sure what you mean by "credits".
mild ravine
I think he means endgame credits
craggy pier
Will GTFO support 8 gb of ram?
hard tiger
@craggy pier see FAQ 3
narrow kettle
he means the statistics like after a left 4 dead mission
blissful dove
@mild ravine You get to keep the commodities that you collect while in the Complex, but certain artifacts you only collect for the Warden, and you're rewarded with other items for your loyalty.
mild ravine
What use will the things we r able to collect all i kno we can collect are ammo packs and medkits
blissful dove
The commodities can, among other things, be used to gain advantages in future expeditions, or to upgrade your gear.
craggy pier
ok good to know the trailer was using gtx 970 as I have one also and was afraid I needed to get new graphics card
mild ravine
ahh cool
blissful dove
Statistics, yes. But you're not competing internally within the team for who collected the most of anything. But we might show statistics that reveal who was the most cooperative player - who helped others up the most, etc.
mild ravine
Then me with my medkit will get all the support points!
static salmon
Alright!! Thank you, Simon :D I'm very excited to watch this game grow!
rapid saddle
I'm surprise there no "female scavenger". With all the SJW out there asking for equality for everything. Sorry just got out of watching youtube video about Dice and BFV 😅
Good thing you doing what you want soo far. You got my support!
hexed bronze
@rapid saddle Lets avoid the politics please.
glass ermine
I like how moderators are forced to stop freespeach
lilac fulcrum
Alright I'm going to stop this here
This is the wrong channel for this, and free speech doesn't even apply to non-government bodies so doesn't even apply here. We have server rules to follow and enforce and that's what we're doing. If you have an issue with the enforcement of the rules, take it up with a mod, admin, or dev.
open geyser
Not to mention that the game has heavy Alien influence, which carries a strong feminist message. It's not relevant? Exactly, neither are your ramblings about SJW.
craggy pier
its because they focus on making a good game and not what sjws think
hexed bronze
I'm going to start taking action if this continues any further. @lilac fulcrum already said to stop it. This is exactly why I stepped in the first place because the discussion was going to de-rail toward politics. Now quit it.
raven jetty
I was under the impression that the characters were convicts being forced to scavenge the ruins, is that the actual setup?
rapid saddle
Soo far, yes.
glass ermine
4 prisoners are forced to do this nightmare. Faimilar?
rapid saddle
@hexed bronze sorry for the politics things, But I still beleive it can be related to gaming subject since it is soo prominent right now. You have company like DICE that comply to it, and CDPR that will not fear it with CP2077.
I just wanted 10CC state on the matters and not being shut by mods in fear of subject derails into toxicity. This is gtfo related question.
craggy pier
my boi you're gonna get banned if you keep talking about this lmao
hexed bronze
Me and @lilac fulcrum already said to quit it with the subject.
Their decision to design the characters the way they are is their choice and their art direction, lets just leave it at that
glass ermine
Their decision is strange and they act childish towards criticism but hey what do I know and why do I care? I don't.
Can we have gtfo-related-questions at #gtfo-related-questions
raven jetty
What sort of soundtrack is planned?
hexed bronze
What do you mean childish towards criticism?
@raven jetty Simon Viklund is doing the music for the game.
craggy pier
Simon Viklund can make some major bops
raven jetty
I liked most of the music in Payday 2, and I see he did most of the music in Biocom Rearmed 2, most of which was quite good
craggy pier
Evil Eye 
glass ermine
Anything from pd2 ost really
open geyser
Yeah, don't come expecting EDM bangers, it's going to be atmospheric tracks. They use a proprietary system to intertwine music layers even, creating "new" tracks based on what's going on. Semi-procedural music basically.
You can have a sample of it at the beginning of this gameplay footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjqaiyIWsiI
raven jetty
Sounds good. reminds me a bit of Amon Tobin from Chaos Theory
craggy pier
My ears feel so good after listening to that
raven jetty
Will players see all players' light sources? In Killing Floor, for example, all players see everyone's flashlights, but in L4D series they don't
craggy pier
So hyped for this game it looks amazing, great that devs are very active with the community
mild ravine
@raven jetty U should become a ambassador
craggy pier
ambassador big boy squad
open geyser
well there's the answer in the video (yes you see other people's flashlights)
mild ravine
Otherwise No access to the beta!!
raven jetty
Yes, I wasn't up to that point yet, looks good
open geyser
Actually while graphics look fairly dated there seems to be a really extensive work on lighting. Which makes sense since they're incorporating it to gameplay. I've noticed there are many unlit rooms in the gameplay videos so far. also there are some invisible monsters that slightly reflect flashlights, so it's the only way to see their outlines (besides motion tracker).
craggy pier
The graphics look really good imo
craggy pier
Are there plans to have a VR mode in the future? I have a friend who plays a lot of VR games and was wondering if there are any plans to have it in the future.
open geyser
I don't know, textures themselves especially first person ones aren't particularly good imo, though I'm more bothered about the low framerate of some monster death animations. Can't blame them since they're a 9 men indie studio.
Work on lighting is fucking amazing though.
craggy pier
Yeah, very impressive.
open geyser
Regarding VR, there were similar threads on Steam where Simon basically answered point 4 of the FAQ. So not planned atm, maybe after release.
raven jetty
I like the mace
wispy patio
I humbly request the animation of having your limbs ripped from your torso by special enemies. Or the horror of seeing your body as your head is removed and lobbed across the room.
Gore. Gore is ALWAYS the answer XD
mild ravine
Gore is always the way
rapid saddle
Doubt it since your character get into a downed but not out stated at 0 HP. Unless they do something special when every member is down, but I expect they work more on gameplay than being decapitate.
raven jetty
<joke> Decapitation DLC coming Halloween 2019 </joke>
glacial charm
I'm new here so I'm sorry if this was asked before:
Since the maps aren't generated procedural ingame but 150 proc gen handpicked I would love to see a frequent flow of new ones. I'd love the idea playing this game for thousands of hours and never having a "i know this place"-Moment. So any plans for new maps in the future? Even a hand full per quarter would make an impact
mild ravine
Sitri i would assume they will continue to add maps modes and enemys as time passes on but I think what they want is a game thats not Fallout 76 U get me?
glacial charm
Yeah I get you there. I'm just unhealty hyped about the idea with playing gtfo for 1k++ hours and getting good due "experience" in making choices and reactions rather than because I know what will hapen or which way I have to go.
mild ravine
I hate but love that Like being able to mezmerise the layout It helps And shows that you played the game alot but still Takes away the mystery of it
blissful dove
@rapid saddle All playable characters are male, they're all mentally unstable and for that whole idea we've drawn inspiration from Alien³ - which is also about convicts locked inside a dark environment trying to survive a deadly force. We have no political agenda one direction or the other, so the all-male cast is not a statement of any sorts.
Everybody; try to keep the discussion friendly and open minded.
As stated, you don't really die in GTFO, so we don't have any special death animations planned.
Maps will be added post release, yes. Loads of 'em. You won't be ever be bored again.
thorny bobcat
"You don't really die in GTFO"
gtfo confirmed worlds easiest game
silent ravine
What is that thing in the end of the announcement trailer?
glass heart
I'm a pretty big fan of soundtracks (payday 2 is still up there as one of my favorite electronic soundtracks). Is there going to be a way to buy the soundtrack at some point?
blissful dove
The soundtrack will most likely be made available for streaming/download, yes.
glass ermine
Is there any cosmetic items? For OST owners?
blissful dove
I'm not sure the soundtrack will be sold on Steam, so no plans for that, no.
inland fable
What about the epic game store?
Do you have plan to put the game on epic store or Gtfo going to stay on steam?
glass ermine
The epic store is a scam change my mind
rapid saddle
Thanks Simon for the answer! That's all I wanted to learn without being grounded. 👌
blissful dove
GTFO is Steam only, no plans so far to release it on the Epic Store.
glass ermine
I hope when the game goes well it gets released on consoles.
glass heart
Sweet. Thanks Simon
Is there going to be a Mac or Linux version of the game at some point down the line?
blissful dove
@glass heart Check point 5 in the FAQ.
hexed bronze
@blissful dove what framerate are you getting at 1080p max settings?
coral comet
Is there any info on what types of guns there will be? As in smg/rifle/lmg/dmr etc. Ive seen some guns in the trailer.
glass heart
Missed that point in the Faq.
narrow kettle
@hexed bronze show him your secret screenshot
blissful dove
SMGs, rifles, LMGs, DMRs, pistols, shotguns, you name it. No miniguns or grenade launchers or anything like that - and for the powerful weapons like LMGs, you won't have much ammo I'm afraid!
@hexed bronze That's irrelevant right now because I'm playing in Unity and it's not bundled and optimized and stuff. But we're chasing frames per seconds like bloodhounds.
@ruby lance We've released Linux ports before, so that isn't as strange as you'd expect.
hexed bronze
Oh ok, gotcha!
raven jetty
Depending on which core framework(s) the game uses, Linux versions may actually be very easy to do
mossy bay
raven jetty
I don't think there's a precise date yet, "Spring 2019"
mild ravine
Sadly its still Spring 2019
brisk venture
Yep. What the others have said. There'll also be a beta before that, which will be available to all ambassadors.
If you haven't done it already, go to #become-an-ambassador and you'll have guaranteed access to the beta.
blissful dove
@frozen hamlet in order to be able to create deep characters with lots of voice lines, we've limited ourselves to four characters. Each character is so much work that it wouldn't make sense to create hidden or locked characters that not everybody will be able to enjoy.
sacred goblet
"""""""powerful LMGs"""""""
frozen hamlet
well im ok with that
sacred goblet
jules flashbacks
blissful dove
I don't get it. I didn't play PD2 after 2013.
However, please bring discussions to the appropriate channel.
mint locust
@mossy bay To opt in the beta go to #become-an-ambassador
thank you 
mild ravine
WHat about a HUD world adventually For all the players who r connected to the servers?
To trade/sell/Marketplace
blissful dove
I think you mean hub world.
That's not planned, no, and sounds super complex. Even just creating a secure, reliable system in a GUI that allows players to trade items would be super hard.
raven jetty
Better for the core features to be very well polished
glass heart
Indeed
glacial charm
Once the beta is out, are we allowed to stream? I want to show this game as many people as possible
narrow kettle
As far as we know, you're allowed to stream/record the ambassador beta
inner imp
Gonna be exciting times when the beta arrives :D
languid finch
Anyone know if this game will support 21:9 or eyefinity ??
raven jetty
Will there be any way to resupply in the danger zone? I suppose thematically it would have to be from doomed previous expeditions
rose basalt
If you mean like finding ammo and health, yeah, there will be a few ammo packs and health packs around the map
mild ravine
@raven jetty Also its said that players can bring them in But its limited still
craggy pier
@narrow kettle when will the beta start and how to enter?
lilac fulcrum
No dates for Beta yet, you'll get plenty of notifications once a date is known. All ambassadors will have access to the beta.
craggy pier
dope i'm hyped and can't wait!
mild ravine
^
devout jetty
I'm not sure if this was asked but, does voice chat attracts the... what are those things anyways? mutants?
narrow kettle
It doesn't attract them
coarse spire
Voice chat has no effect in game on gameplay, partly because it would just encourage the useage of third party programs and sink development time into something that might not even be used or circumvented
blissful dove
Not even the dialog between the game characters attracts monsters. They shush each other just to create that tension.
mild ravine
"ow fuck my toe" "Shut the fuck up we don't care" "SHHHHH"
glass ermine
Deployables: what and how much?
blissful dove
As in sentry guns and trip mines?
glass ermine
But only sentry and tripmines?
mild ravine
Well of actual deployables i think thats it but theres other tools Besides that
Like medkits and ammo bags
rose basalt
Yeah, sentries and mines are the ones you actually "deploy"
The other ones are used in your hands
blissful dove
What deployable(s) were you hoping for?
glacial charm
ouh a decoy (like a beeping thing or a simple but distracting flare gun) would be nice when things go south
thorny bobcat
glacial charm
maybe a drone for exploration, no need to clear a room full of monsters if it leads to a dead end. Could have limited amount of battery and/or range
mild ravine
explosion = Nothing relating to stealth i doubt it
glacial charm
the said medkits and ammo bags sound nice too, I remember Incendiary ammunition & penetration rounds for set amount of bullets when I played Left for Dead
coral comet
A drone or decoy would be nice 🤔
blissful dove
Well, we have more deployables that we haven't revealed yet, so you're in for some nice surprises!
languid finch
yeh a drone would be sick!!
languid finch
Simon do you know if there is any 21:9 support for the game ??
mint locust
Hahaha
sacred goblet
ah deployables
cant wait to get kicked by the host for not carrying medic bags
speaking of host will GTFO be P2P
finite silo
I think it is
sacred goblet
quite a silly question, now that i think of it, its very likely gonna be P2P
lusty canyon
@sacred goblet If you go to 👏🏿 media and look 👏🏿 at the pinned video I think 👏🏿 your question will be answered 👏🏿
glass ermine
@lusty canyon using black hands is racist, this is digital blackface
glass ermine
Ok this is epic
sacred goblet
i feel like i just got destroyed
glass ermine
Oh wait we are not asking gtfo-related-questions
glass ermine
surprised pikachu
narrow kettle
narrow kettle
How's the big "tank-like" enemy called?
glass ermine
m4 sherman
true tiger
someone has probably asked this already but I couldn't get anything on a search, but will there be any sort of weapon customization beyond choosing what weapon to use?
I mean like attachments, upgrades, or even cosmetic changes.
rose basalt
You can swap weapon parts to change how they work
glass ermine
is there silencers/surpressors
rose basalt
no
true tiger
Oh that sounds excellent, it already sounds like a wide variety of weapon choices so its going to be a deep weapon and tools system i see
glass ermine
the warden must be an arsehat for sure dont he know these monsters go for the sounds
rose basalt
Lack of suppressors is a design choice to make you risk getting close to enemies for silent kills
true tiger
In a tunnel type environment, silencers realistically would do next to nothing to keep quiet
raven jetty
Standard ammunition is still pretty loud out of suppressed pieces anyway
Reduced hearing damage when used indoors but still very loud
true tiger
^
fast python
Not to talk about durability for a makeshift silencer. The Welrod, as an example, had roughly 20 bullets before it stopped silencing all together. But then, we are talking about a prison encampment.
glass heart
they more or less just suppress guns blowing your ear drums
raven jetty
40s-60s suppressors wore out very quickly, they're much more sophisticated now
But whoever is supplying the gear for these missions probably isn't carrying custom subsonic thumper rounds or whatnot
If we had perfect gear for the mission it would be less nerve wracking 😛
glass heart
just enough to get by
rose basalt
It's more of a case of us being throwaway prisoners, I believe
fast python
It's just they way they were crafted. They were pieces of rubber reduced the sound by closing up behind them, practically, trapping most of the gas, and thus reducing sound. Also why they only worked for so few shots.
true tiger
i imagine any makeshift suppressors wouldn't last though. Speaking of durability, will there be any sort of "one expedition only" type supplies or any weapon durability mechanics?
rose basalt
As far as I know, no
raven jetty
Probably not, I imagine it would just be annoying
true tiger
oh good, mechanics like items in DBD always just make me want to hoard them anyway
rose basalt
You select your loadout before starting the expedition and that's what you'll stay with till the end (apart from the health paks and ammo paks you can find in the exps themselves), same for the next ones
true tiger
So you wont lose guns if you fail a mission, what a relief.
raven jetty
Nope, just the people 😛
glass ermine
Okay, here is a good question.
How long the expeditions are, and can you go back to an expedition after you have collected some stuff?
For example, an expedition is avg. 30 mins long, you already collected some stuff at 15 minutes, can you leave to secure the loot and then go back with it?
rose basalt
Length varies depending on the expeditions, and you gotta do them to the end. As for loot, we don't know how it works, but pretty sure it doesn't work like in payday
glass ermine
Also, I know the game's theme is exploring dark caves full of these monsters. I hope the caves will look and feel different from one to another, because at some point, it gets more boring than applying the "claustrophobic" feeling.
As well as objectives vary, a lot.
blissful dove
The idea is to make resources&commodities persistent, so if you pick it up in one place you won't be able to pick that same piece of resource up the next time you play the same expedition.
This doesn't go for things like health/ammo/anything you pick up and use immediately during that same expedition, obviously. It only goes for the items you pick up to bring to the Warden, and use to mod weapons, etc.
hexed bronze
Simon, can you purchase Ramen noodles at the prison shop?
fast python
Interesting gameplay mechanic.
blissful dove
@fast python That thing I wrote about, or that thing Slewey wrote about? 😂
fast python
blissful dove
It's a mechanic that encourages players to play new expeditions rather than just farming on one they're familiar with. Plus it likely makes the in-game economy a bit less difficult to balance.
fast python
I wonder how it affects end game.
hexed bronze
For clarification, if you pick up a resource in a level does it respawn in a different location or is it gone forever?
blissful dove
It's gone forever in that expedition.
hexed bronze
Would you have enough resources to acquire everything in the end?
blissful dove
Yes, over time there we will accumulate more expeditions containing more resources, amounting to more value than you have need for.
fast python
So there will be finite amount of resources, scattered across all missions? Interesting.
blissful dove
You can still play the expedition again and pick up the thing, and anyone who's playing the expedition with you who hasn't picked it up will then get it.
Yes, these persistent things are given to the entire team if one player picks it up. This is to not encourage players to rush ahead of the group and compete for resources.
"Would you have enough resources to acquire everything in the end?"
At the same time, the available tools and weapons will of course also grow in numbers, so yeah... 😋
fast python
Wouldn't the most effective way being to go in groups of 2, split up, and get everything as swiftly as possible.
If it works like that?
blissful dove
Well, other elements in the game's design encourages (and sometimes forces) players to keep together, so it's a balance.
Splitting up is dangerous and makes you vulnerable. Your greed might get the best of you...
true tiger
Is there a lot of end-game incentive to replay missions? If you get parts after completing a mission once is there any reason to replay them at all?
blissful dove
Yes, to complete them on a harder difficulty.
fast python
What does difficulty change? Are we talking of regular difficulty changes, or just the self-based way?
blissful dove
But this game doesn't have a regular end-game, so you can't really make comparisons to other game regarding how that works. I can't say more now, we'll reveal exactly how the game works a bit later.
"Self-based way"?
narrow kettle
Kinda like VT2 where the endgame is self improvement?
fast python
Taking more risks, thinning out resources more
languid finch
Hey simon any chance you know if they will be 21:9 support for Gtfo?
coral comet
Will we keep the progress we get in the beta? or will the progress get reset when the game releases?
blissful dove
@narrow kettle No, you'll see when we reveal how GTFO works.
true tiger
I plan on investing a lot of my time in the game and I'm hoping there is enough end game so that I can sink as much time in this game as i have in vemintide 2, payday, and killing floor 2. excited for that reveal!
blissful dove
@fast python There's some of that, yes. Actively choosing to go for more difficult geographical parts of the expedition.
@languid finch That specific feature is definitely on our to-do list. Can't say right now when it'll be added.
@coral comet Can't say right now, sorry.
languid finch
Agh, Thanks for letting me know Simon! ❤
true tiger
This is kind of a longshot question, but will there be any big optional puzzles that require extensive community searching to find/ solve?
narrow kettle
Like the Payday 1 & 2 Secrets I assume
true tiger
@narrow kettle Yeah that's what i had in mind, or even something as crazy as the easter egg puzzles in cod zombies.
blissful dove
All I can say is this: Anyone who is planning to play GTFO extensively and "go meta" on the game and doesn't already produce YouTube videos, stream their play sessions or run a website... I encourage you to consider doing one of those things because the GTFO community is gonna be full of people who will be thirsty for your knowledge and expertise.
Well, "run a website"... I mean, you can make informative posts on the Steam forum or on the GTFO reddit as well, I suppose. But you get it.
mossy prairie
Don't you worry Simon. A bunch of us are probably going to be on that train. And not even strictly to "go meta" learning Payday 2 inside and out to the point to be able to tell someone what skills and play style they should go for when they have the idea of only what weapon they want to use is such a great thing. Especially since it ends up with people enjoying the game in a way they normally wouldn't and it doesn't always have to be about them playing on the hardest difficulty, just them being comfortable where they are and having fun.
true tiger
That was a perfect answer, directly addresses my reason for asking the question. Thanks Simon!
blissful dove
Oh my, GTFO is gonna blow your minds. we have future reveals that are gonna melt faces.
mossy prairie
"I'm going to kill you guys"
true tiger
My body is ready.
mossy prairie
GTFO cannot come soon enough. Ive been wanting it since the first reveals. This is the same excitement I had for Payday all over again.
languid finch
^^
blissful dove
Gotta go to the 10 Chambers office tomorrow, we're having a sync meeting.
See you guys around!
narrow kettle
Good night.
thorny bobcat
ceramic, copper, stainless, or porcelain?
lusty canyon
All of them
lusty canyon
Not sure if this question has been answered before buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut what does the symbol for this discords "The Warden" bot represent?
hexed bronze
It's a door panel https://youtu.be/c29boXcbGbo?t=189
open geyser
Does that mean you can technically 100% the game? (if you find all persistent items in all missions)
glass ermine
Yeah its actually weird considering these guys made games with endless replayability. Im a bit confused.
open geyser
Well it still has endless replayability regardless due to how maps work and are built. If anything that's a huge positive aspect in my books since it actually gives a tangible goal to grind for.
glacial charm
I imagine myself as the 100%, bearded veteran who saw almost everything, guiding 3 newcomers through the expo "listen here, brats. I've seen some shit. So trust me there" while fighting my own vietnam-flashbacks of seeing my past squads torn to shredds thousands of times
blissful dove
@lusty canyon Warden has no visual representation, so we took the symbol from the Apex doors in GTFO. Apex doors are the high security doors that require you to solve a puzzle and/or fight several waves of monsters to get through them.
@open geyser You have to set up a different goal - the goal can't be to get all resources in all expeditions. But you'll understand more when we reveal exactly how the game works.
coarse spire
We're all waiting on more info simon, anyday now 👀
inland fable
I have a question about the beta. Will when we receive our access we will have 3 possible invitations for our friends and make them discover the game?
coarse spire
It's ambassador only, your friends can guarentee themselves invites by making themselves ambassadors
mild ravine
then if they wanna kno more they can check out 10ccs Youtube channel or them on steam
rapid saddle
The only thing I really want is to make sure I can sink in more than 250+ hours into this game and still not get bored. 😃
blissful dove
@rapid saddle The answer is yes.
lusty canyon
Will this game have tons of cinematic cutscenes?
narrow kettle
Probably not
blissful dove
GTFO will not have an ounce of cinematics.
visual barn
will the game have laser sights?
terse obsidian
@blissful dove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMjpyjRO_xQ
my idea/thought of The Warden
😂
west arrow
the only thing missing in that gameplay video above is weapons reload animation but besides that the game is amazing
lusty canyon
I believe that's because they have yet to get an animator, but that'll probably change soon after it's release. Hopefully.
west arrow
the rest is amazing i pray for my pc to run it on ultra
coarse spire
Yeah they've said they opted to focus on gameplay and weapon variety at the start, no reload animations means more weapons they can add to the game for launch
craggy pier
the bot its playing gtfo did i miss something?
coarse spire
no but that's interesting, 10CC are such teases
thorny bobcat
I'm playing with him
lilac fulcrum
You can manually set bots playing statuses
opal mortar
The only thing I would love to ask its for a FAL looking gun to use...
and a jukebox or soundtrack to use/buy right from the start
blissful dove
Noted!
craggy pier
Will you guys make it easy for modders to mod other people’s music /let’s go shopping into the game?
blissful dove
I was about to say it's Pacino's weapon in Heat but that's an FN FNC-80. However, Sizemore's character uses an FN-FAL during the armored truck hit.
Wow, I would absolutely hate for anyone to play GTFO with Let's Go Shopping playing. That's a nightmare.
mint locust
😂
craggy pier
Still, will it be super hard or will it be applicable soon after release?
blissful dove
We won't actively make the music system unmoddable, but it's not our aim to make it easy to mod either - we're just making a music system that serves the type of style and adaptive music methods I've come up with for this game. It will definitely not be as easy to swap out music parts as it was in PD2.
craggy pier
lets go shopping is the best track 5-6 renditions helps me sleep
blissful dove
The music system in GTFO is light years more complex than that of PD2.
blissful dove
👍
opal mortar
Also Unity hard codes thing so modding its always a bit of a stretch
You would need to use archives style (ksp for example) file managing and that would slow down perfomance quite a notch
As always thank you viklund you awesome fella
narrow kettle
Only calling one Viklund awesome is pretty toxic 
opal mortar
Viklunds
Vik & Lund trading company
Also Simon,my second favourite heisting movie apart from Heat its 3000 miles to graceland
And the perfect heist
The one with the nazis and diamonds and no one getting killed
thorny bobcat
Is there a game with a more similar music system that you can compare it to?
I know of Doom '16 and GTAV having interactive music
opal mortar
Kf2
Also 2 indiess games that i follow have similar music systems Distance and Madness Combat Project Nexus 2
Does 10 chambers counts as Indie studio?
rose basalt
Yes
opal mortar
Its mayonaise an indie studio?
coarse spire
I just wanna give +1 for an fn fal that's one of my favorite guns lol
coral comet
doubt the l115 will be added? xD
opal mortar
Fn fal its every Argentinian weapon of choice
raven jetty
Except the game is in the future and they could have future weapons too
They don't have to be modeled closely on real ones, anything reasonable is fine
craggy pier
Can we mod the game so I could have Donacdum playing the whole time though?
random cloak
I've noticed one of the systems of the game, is "horde mode". Where if you make too much noise they'll come to you in hordes, music changes, door collapses...etc.
I was wondering, are all of those npc's from the Horde actually real? (In the sense of, were they in the map already?) Or does the game spawn them when the "horde event" triggers?.
Either way works great, they are just two approaches. But if you do kill the entire horde, (in the 1sdt case scenario where npc's from the horde were present on the game), you could potentially clear a few enemies ahead of you after a succesfull Horde defend or however you wanna call it.
And excuse my grammar/english, I suck at it
coarse spire
@random cloak It's both, making to much noise will attract monsters idling in other rooms as well as spawn them in
random cloak
thanks for the response honey 😉
makes sense
you could just clear the entire map with a single horde, something we don't want
blissful dove
You can't empty an entire expedition by triggering an alarm and drawing all the monsters out, because alarms only draw monsters from a limited area. There will be also roaming monsters that respawn - so you won't be able to clear an area and backtrack through that area safely; you'll always want a teammate with out and you always have a reason to be on your toes.
random cloak
Do they spawn from tunnels/dark places in the map where they come out (as overkill walking dead, zombies get out of doors in the map...etc) or do they spawn somewhere around the map (where no one can see them)
I'm just curious 😃
glacial charm
I just hope they don't spawn at the 2x2 meter dead end right one meter around the corner but a bit more far away from your location
hasty ether
Will the beta users have to buy the game
before launch?
coarse spire
All ambassadors will get access to the beta so no
hasty ether
So the beta is essentially a free copy of the game?
coarse spire
It's just your normal beta, you'll get a dev build to play for however long they run the beta for then after it's over you have to buy it post release to play
patent hinge
When does Beta begin?
tranquil fog
so i wouldent say its not gonna happen any time soon i guess 
patent hinge
I was actually wondering when Beta comes out xD
I was like
Did I not get an email
Or somehting
Are people already playing.
tranquil fog
The only info we know is beta is happning. and it will be for all the ambassadors, there is some talk about streamers having a early peak at it ( good promo and such) but thats all theroy, i would say a decent time before spring. of what simon has said that doing a beta, a week before launch is basically promo and wont fix any bugs before launch,, so not now but a decent time before launch so (theroy) 2-3 months before launch maybe?
thats all i know about the beta
tranquil fog
i read this discord way to much for the cookie crumbs that 10 cc drops, il analyse stuff for sure 
patent hinge
Lol nicu.
languid finch
i would say were gonna get a beta near start of march
glacial charm
Since 10chamb wants to realease "early spring" I guess (hope) its more like mid/late Feburary ... can't wait
coarse spire
Considering they haven't even started pre-launch PR operations I imagine we'll see beta at earliest mid-late march to latest early may.
willow shoal
They never said “early” spring. They’ve just said “Spring”, which could mean anywhere from March to June.
languid finch
so in 10 march 1st ...Gotcha Wink*
glacial charm
yeah my pink glasses just changed "march at earliest, spring 2019" to "march, early spring 2019" ... damn it
narrow kettle
The characters don't have anything to do with any actual in-game items or mechanics
runic olive
how's ammo/health work?
languid finch
Do you make ur charater with different face and hair or are they pre defined characters u gotta pick from?
runic olive
like, do you find ammo/health packs around the map?
narrow kettle
There currently are 4 set characters
runic olive
or are one of the tools ammo/health packs or stations
narrow kettle
@runic olive you find ammo and medkits on the map
narrow kettle
as far as I know you can
runic olive
Neat, bit of resource management
What about melee weapons? Or would that fall under special weapons/tools (like a crowbar)
languid finch
can u pick ur melee weapon in the loadout and also are they any special grenade or is there even grenades in GTFO?
runic olive
grenade.. launcher?
glacial charm
Is there always a Melee Weapon or do you have to sacrifice a gun slot from you loadout (would be nice if you can't just have melee as default on everyone)
narrow kettle
Haven't seen that either
@glacial charm there always is a melee
melee will be a big factor in GTFO
everyone needs one
runic olive
how's melee work? Is it just click to attack, or is there a block/charged-heavy attack
narrow kettle
There are melee attacks and shoves
glacial charm
aw snap, while two are carring a lmg two could take melee instead.. making communication more important... but well, if everyone has one melee..
narrow kettle
stealth is too important in gtfo
everyone would be forced to run a melee weapon otherwise
runic olive
with the resource management, it does sound like stealth would be very useful
all the ammo/health you don't use by sneaking past an encounter, so to speak
glacial charm
nah, you could let those melees just have the frontline to take care of sleepers, the heavy gunners for when things go south during alarm.. forcing a balanced loadout for the 4 man team
runic olive
Also, would laser-sights and flashlights alert enemies?
maybe have a special weapon melee
like say a katana or chainsaw
classic hoard game weapons
narrow kettle
This is not a horde game
craggy pier
the trailer suggests it is a horde game though
runic olive
more of an objective based stealth game?
narrow kettle
Its a stealth focussed game
runic olive
like..
narrow kettle
If you go loud
runic olive
helldivers, as an FPS
narrow kettle
you will most likely die
glacial charm
hordes happen, but its better to avoid them
narrow kettle
you dont have the ressources to stay loud
narrow kettle
not after they're aggro'd as far as we know
hexed bronze
You'll run out of ammo if you keep fighting.
It's not possible to shoot everything in a mission
runic olive
what are all the mission, or objective types?
barren forum
From what I've heard enemies are gonna keep spawning so theres an indefinite amount
narrow kettle
We do not know that @runic olive
runic olive
sounds like helldivers
runic olive
and what are those?
narrow kettle
There's Bioscan doors which require the group to stand in a specific spot
Those will attract enemies
There are objectives where you need to get something from another part of the map
hexed bronze
There's also a team puzzle where one person has to type in commands into a console and another person has to communicate what they need to put in.
languid finch
will GTFO have a fov slider or a weapon model slider?
runic olive
Ooh, interesting
barren forum
Does it seem like this game would be possible without voice chat
narrow kettle
tbh
barren forum
Because I solo queue a lot and I know I'm gonna run into people without mics
narrow kettle
In the end everything is possible if the player's skill is high enough
This game does rely on communication a lot however
runic olive
I can appreciate that
it'd be nice to have a queueing option for 'mic-only'
so you can skip the players without
narrow kettle
I doubt there will be filters like that
languid finch
in the gameplay it looks like the ai interacts with other characters alot so i doubt u really need voice chat to "win"
runic olive
Still, it's always good to have voice chat in a co-op focused game
can you revive other players when they're downed?
narrow kettle
We have not heard of a tool like that
runic olive
I'll post in suggestions then
languid finch
are tools on cooldown after use or do u gotta find them during the mission?
narrow kettle
They use ammunition
runic olive
Oh yeah, can you find alternate or single-use/disposable weapons during missions?
like 'heavy weapons'
or mounted weapons
languid finch
i like those ideas
narrow kettle
Not as far as I know
runic olive
such as like, a flamethrower, or mounted LMG for defense-focused objectives
narrow kettle
You will have to build your own defenses
runic olive
Hmn, maybe the mounted weapon would be something you find, and you'd have to choose where to set it up
I posted a more detailed thing in suggestions
narrow kettle
👍
glacial charm
I hope there isn't such a thing as a cooldown based skill/deployable/equipment. Waiting at every doorstep just for the cds to be ready again sounds terrible
glacial charm
nice to hear. I guess health is the same? Not that bleeding crap that goes away because I didn get any damage for 10 seconds
narrow kettle
Your HP regenerates up to 20% iirc
Rest has to be healed with medkits found on the maps
glacial charm
thats a really nice and reasonable compromise
runic olive
kinda like how there's shield/health in some games
languid finch
will GTFO have discord rich presence?
true tiger
I hope it does, or at least is able to be modded to add it. Discord rich presence can be really good to promote a game to friends.
languid finch
^^ excatly
coral comet
basically 4 prisoners that need to gather stuff for the warden
idk the full lore, but thats the basic one
runic olive
Ah, the good ol' "Do this stuff to get outta prison."
coral comet
yeah xd
coral comet
you'd have to ask aory or maybe simon if you want a more complete lore
narrow kettle
Aory or Simon 
runic olive
I saw Simon was offline, I think
runic olive
or at least busy
coral comet
well, you 2 are the most active ones from what ive seen so far xd
narrow kettle
TL;DR: You're a prisoner and The Warden sends you on expeditions into the complex to get some artifacts
I'm active
runic olive
I'm guessing it's good ol' "Viral research caused some serious fuck-ups?"
for the enemies in the game
or are they aliens
coral comet
ooooh thats just my grandma
runic olive
the irish
just like TF2 used to allude to
what if they aren't potatoes
they're chicken nuggets
thorny bobcat
I'll stick to the irish theory instead
runic olive
Oh, here's a big question
What's the progression going to be in the game?
How's that going to work
is there some IGC you get through playing missions and such?
Is there experience to ranking up and unlocking things?
languid finch
as a Irish man myself i will be heavily disappointed if bleeding potatoes ain't a option or a ee
thorny bobcat
GTFO is actually about 4 guys that had a little too much at the pub
What thing do you guys really want to share about gtfo right now but can't
thorny bobcat
craggy pier
will the game have a peer to peer system or have dedicated servers?
narrow kettle
p2p
coarse spire
p2p
coral comet
p2p
lilac fulcrum
p2p
craggy pier
p2p
modest nest
p2p
narrow kettle
Let's not exaggerate
celest mural
Extrapolation!
raven jetty
Will there be multiple difficulty levels? Or was that addressed somewhere already?
rose basalt
Difficulty will not work exactly the same way it does in other games, but no details were given about it yet
blissful dove
We tried our best to show in the TGA2017 trailer that it's possible to sneak past enemies and avoid confrontation, and that the game has a slower pace with more exploration and stealth than other games in the genre. It's difficult though, because we needed the trailer to really grab people and you do that best with action shots.
Despite the "horde" that shows up at the end of the trailer, I think it clearly shows enough other aspects of the game to indicate that it's not a simple horde shooter. But it's all in the eye of the beholder.
coarse spire
I think y'all did a good job with that, I basically figured that was how the game was gonna be by that trailer and subsequent released info. It's not your fault media outlets used the term "next left 4 dead" or "left 4 dead 3" in the headlines for clicks.
mild ravine
Ok time to play the game as if its called horde simulator
barren forum
i mean you certainly did ya great job making the game look super fucking fun and interesting
i cant say how most people will expect the gameplay to be from that but i could tell you want to avoid big fights more then take them
sacred mauve
gosh I want to play Alpha/Beta
terse obsidian
@sacred mauve Just wait it'll come and you're an ambassador so you're guaranteed to get in basically... xD
sacred mauve
"Me gusta!"
hasty mauve
I do as well!
zinc pewter
How much HUD will we be able to disable well still being able to play the game? (less HUD more immersion)
willow shoal
I’m hoping for HUD opacity settings at the very least
languid finch
^^
hopefully it scales to the sides aswell especially when playing on 21:9 even though there is no 21:9 support in the game as of yet
visual barn
Make it so ur able to customize ur laser sight colours
willow shoal
Who said anything about laser sights? The game is all 100% iron sights! 😳
Even the sniper scopes are just toilet paper rolls with rubber bands for crosshairs! Lol
fast python
I do fond 1x scopes
willow shoal
1x scopes rule!
coarse spire
I don't normally care for 1x scopes but in a super close quarters enviroment like the complex I'd be fine w/it
willow shoal
Seriously, though, as I’ve said, quarters are gonna be so cramped most of the time, I’m not sure a sniper rifle will be useful enough to use a weapon slot
coarse spire
yeah in a place like the complex you really take high powered rifles for the 2 man insta taps on the scouts
not for their scope
fast python
I usually use 3x or 4x, and make do with a lot of flicking on non-visible targets, but the 1x Coyote from BF4 hold a good place in my heart.
coarse spire
I imagine it's basically 2 men insta gibbing a scout to deny alarms and 2 dudes cleaning up any strays that run as a result of the gun shots
willow shoal
I think Simon stated that GTFO will lack ‘delete button’ weapons. Probably gonna need to stealth-melee any scouts you come across.
That is, take out sleepers before they wake up
coarse spire
No Simon said you have about a 0.5 or so seconds window to kill a scout after you shoot it, and a high powered rifle should kill it in 2 shots. Hence 2 men insta gibbing it.
You sync shots and shoot the same scout twice at roughly the same time (as long as they're both within 0.5 seconds of each other) and you kill the scout
Then when the other monsters run in from the noise your 2 other teammates clean them up to conserve ammo on your big gun carriers
Since you'll only attract a small amount of enemies from insta killing a scout due to no alarm.
I mean keep in mind this is all theory based on what we know about the game but it makes sense to me in my limited knowledge. If it's possible to stealth immdiately after killing a scout and avoid confrentation all together from stray monsters attracted by sound that's ideal but based on gameplay footage we saw it isn't, or at least not easily.
languid finch
RGB light and laser or else
willow shoal
Still hoping for some variant of bow-based weapon. Really digging the Bows in Destiny 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn
Need to throw together a video of my favorites at some point.
rapid dock
For stealth or reusable ammo?
Since surpressors wouldn't actually work inside a tunnel, but even a crossbow makes enough sound to echo.
willow shoal
Reusable ammo, though a bow and arrow would also make less noise, and could be as effective as a bullet if utilized properly. Could also be used to activate switches from a distance.
true tiger
Seems like that would be too strong because it would allow you to circumvent any moments in the game where you are unable to kill enemies from range because you would have a weapon with recoverable ammo that would effectively never run out. The general idea I've gathered about the gameplay suggests that there are times when you must sneak around enemies due to lack of ammo and having a weapon with effectively unlimited ammo removes all reason to sneak.
I think the term for this is "game breaking" as it alters the game mechanics and flow in a way that is unintended.
willow shoal
I suppose the arrows don't necessarily need to be recoverable. They aren't in either Destiny 2 or Horizon Zero Dawn (but they are in Breath of the Wild, at least, arrows that miss the target are). Although in HZD, you can always craft more arrows if you need them, and in Destiny 2, picking up a primary ammo block restores your arrow reserves.
narrow kettle
It takes a lot more time to make a weapon that isn't hitscan
So I wouldn't expect Projectile based weapons at launch
true tiger
Having non-recoverable arrows seems okay, but what if a crew bring all crossbows and rush objectives like they do in payday with zero risk of alerting enemies from sound. And if you remove the silent aspect of a bow is it really a bow anymore? I suppose it would be a cool weapon look.
narrow kettle
Lasershotgunbow?
true tiger
Oh will there be a laser mod for all weapons or certain weapons have it and others dont?
barren forum
lasershotgunchainsawbow
vocal bridge
will there be any props you could say kind of like the payday2 masks
lunar bay
Well there's a rail gun tho @true tiger
Also my opinion on bows is like: unnecessary, cuz it would actually destroy the aspect of the game
true tiger
Lmao I wasn't talking in support of a bow, I was pointing out the problems of having a bow in a game like this. I completely agree with you. RAILGUN HYPE i love railguns
lunar bay
Well the bow thing wasnt pointed to you, just in general ( the reason why I wrote it with a space lower) well Railguns have really limited shots, but they do ALOT OF DMG.
runic olive
I liked how helldivers handled the railgun
5 round clip, super slow RoF, but, it pierces through enemies and stuns organic targets in its line of fire
that include your teammates, mind
languid flax
Alienswarm did something similar with it's own railgun
lone nebula
languid flax
can I play the game on a gameboy
mint locust
No 😂
zinc pewter
Reshade an option?
modest cloak
Are there going to be any options for those with colour blindness?
green forge
Are story related Easter Eggs (something like an old Tank from the UDSSR or the Third Reich as example) planned?
coarse spire
Well we know the story is going to be told through the expeditions with no cutscenes so we can only assume yes each expedition will have plenty of easter eggs story wise
modest cloak
Payday 2 had a ton so im sure they will have some in this
coarse spire
Also color blindness question is a good one for @blissful dove. But from first impressions with the UI and enviroments it seems very dark/monotone so I don't think it'd be needed personally.
thorny bobcat
I do remember there being discussion about colour aids a while ago
I think its less hud elements looking the same between green and red because I don't think colour itself is actually used as identification, but more colours that might blend into the environment with certain forms of colour impairment
blissful dove
We're trying to think of designing everything to accommodate colorblindness, but this is the first title we do that on so we might not get it right immediately. Community feedback will be essential.
modest cloak
Sounds great!
ocean moth
the most common form of color blindness is red green deficiency (i'm pretty sure) so your game should be fine as I don't see the color clashing often (example: red markers on enemies and green on friendlies is a big no no). So far the game looks fine for colorblind accommodations (this is all based off of assumptions not actual science bear that in mind) The tracer/laser weapons could end up creating some blending in some peoples view (like wolf said) and you definitely want to be able to color certain aspects (like crosshairs/laser sights if those exist)
true tiger
@green forge @modest cloak the pinned message in this channel was in response to a question about easter eggs.
granite fox
is there going to be more than one map? or is it mostly based around one map?
coral comet
it's based around one big compound, but will be loads of different maps
tired kestrel
do we have any dates for anything coming up like the beta or the game release
tired kestrel
dang i really want to play it
coral comet
I really doubt they will
game has great support
rather have the game delayed then get an unfinished piece of garbage :p
tired kestrel
true
coral comet
but its looking like they have come a long way with development
since there's a gameplay trailer and stuff released already
tired kestrel
yeah
zinc pewter
Any region lock?
sacred mauve
Lol anyone notice GTFO Bot is playing GTFO T___T so jealous
blissful dove
@zinc pewter Region lock?
true tiger
like Chinese players only queue with Chinese players, American players with American players etc. Supposedly to give a better online experience by avoiding bad ping and language barriers.
also can mean there is a region lock on playing the game, as in there are regional versions of keys
blissful dove
Sorry, I don't know if that is planned, I'll have to check with other members of the team. For the sake of ping, it sounds better to have the ability to filter on ping rather than region, but I get the language barrier reason.
true tiger
Will there be a vote kick feature for public matches so we can get rid of trolls?
hexed bronze
IMO I think a filter works better for a coop game. I can imagine people who have friends in other countries.
true tiger
I agree with slewey, ping filter and perhaps a party management feature would be more than enough.
zinc pewter
@blissful dove you could have an option that sets primary and secondary language (if applicable) so you only join said lobby of selected language speakers
@blissful dove will you be using Valves Trust Factor in your queueing process when it's roles out to other developers?
ruby lance
Well, them using Steam matchmaking inherently implies certain regional restrictions, as it will match you with people closest to your Steam download location, so there's that
coarse spire
I mean it's p2p, there's absolutely no indication or reason for them to bar us from playing with others with low ping if we choose
neon forum
so will the game use steam servers or p2p?
narrow kettle
p2p
modest cloak
Will there be community servers with their own custome settings n stuff?
celest mural
Also, don't forget to check out the #become-an-ambassador @neon forum
cold quail
Does GTFO become Japanese?
celest mural
@夢幻（PC版）#2998 I do not think there will be other language support right away, but I cannot say for sure. I guess that can be answered by the devs.
willow shoal
Yeah, 10cc is a small team (9 members currently), so localization is not a priority at the moment.
true tiger
@modest cloak right now it seems like it is entirely p2p hosted, no servers.
thorny bobcat
Can we get a realtime graph of the amount of chambers that are loaded devs
lusty canyon
@true tiger What is p2p?
narrow kettle
peer to peer
narrow kettle
yes
thorny bobcat
a system of networking
lusty canyon
So like
thorny bobcat
thorny bobcat
yes non dedicated
narrow kettle
Players host games instead of servers
thorny bobcat
instead of a central server that all players connect to in a game
true tiger
like one player is host, same as most other 4 player coop games
lusty canyon
Isn't non-dedicated a synonym of "bad" for gamers?
narrow kettle
and the budget
thorny bobcat
It should be just fine for gtfo (although certain things are less than ideal)
narrow kettle
Let's keep this channel clean from off-topic discussions though
true tiger
suffice it to say gtfo will be p2p and that is well suited for the type of game it is and the budget.
wicked dagger
Couldn’t find this anywhere, super stoked for this though so don’t mean to repeat if that’s the case.... but is there a release window yet?
Nvm found it in the FAQ. Just excited!
raven jetty
I think non-dedicated servers were problematic before multicore cpus were common on consumer grade computers. Modern computers shouldn't have any problem hosting the game and running it for the player at the same time
willow shoal
Hopefully, hosting will be set up in a way that allows people with solid specs and internet can set up a computer to do nothing but host a “dedicated” game server like old school Starseige/Tribes did.
coarse spire
Unity
sacred mauve
@lusty canyon I wondered that also.
willow shoal
I can confirm, it is Made with Unity
Either that, or 10cc hijacked Unity’s E3 meeting closet....
sacred mauve
Oh wow, I forgot that.
hazy lantern
Anyone know if there is videos with the in game soundtracks from Simon?
Really curious as to what kind of songs he's made for this game. Loved his work on Payday
frosty estuary
So is GTFO's Beta free to play?
coral comet
yes
narrow kettle
If you're an Ambassador yes
frosty estuary
hell, i'd love to become an ambassador then
narrow kettle
coral comet
^
frosty estuary
So I became an ambassador! What next?