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lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:25 AM

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Hello, I've come back to Mirahaze to organize my worldbuilding. I wanted to copy some articles from my other mirahaze wiki but it's now "404 Wiki Not Found". I know for sure I would never delete it; the data on there were important and I have no proper backup.
What's happened?

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:28 AM

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Miraheze has dormancy policy according to which inactive (no edits and activity) for 60 days wikis gets closed, and if in 180 or something days after that admins didn't opened it, it gets deleted

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:29 AM

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I'm confident that I've access the wiki in the past 180 days.

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:30 AM

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are you sure url is correct?

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:30 AM

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Yes.

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:31 AM

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might need to ping stewards here or leave message in steward noticeboard on Meta wiki then

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:31 AM

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I am not sure how to go about doing either.

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<@&407534772542242816> like this?

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:32 AM

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ye

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:33 AM

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Alright. Thank you.

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:33 AM

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what's url tho?

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:34 AM

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https://tenner.miraheze.org/wiki/

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:34 AM

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If your data is important, you should not be relying on us for backups

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:34 AM

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You weren't the backup.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:34 AM

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I know that

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:34 AM

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You were a place where I could story it in a presentable format.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:35 AM

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But if your content goes missing, you should have your own redundancy plans

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:35 AM

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So you guys delete my wiki for no apparent reason without as much as a warning and then blame me for that?

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:36 AM

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You would have had numerous warnings and a huge banner on your wiki

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:36 AM

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I have received 0 warnings.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:36 AM

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It's also clear as day in the policy you agreed too

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:36 AM

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Point me to the clause that says you can just delete my wiki without issuing any sort of notice.

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I've accessed the wiki in the past 180 days.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:37 AM

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"Miraheze may modify, restrict, or prohibit your access to Miraheze services and Wikis at any time under Miraheze's sole discretion. "

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Under our ToU

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:37 AM

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there has to be at least an email about closing

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:37 AM

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There is

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:37 AM

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There was no email.

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:37 AM

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don't steer it up, maybe some data base hickup occurred

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:38 AM

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If there's a public wiki, backups are made available and stored on archive.org

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:38 AM

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is it me, or wikidiscover is messed up w/ alphabetical order?

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:38 AM

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But emails are sent where accounts have one linked for dormancy issues

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We don't keep files though

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@lapis vault it was deleted on the 15/06 due to it having no cw_wikis entry

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Which likely means it was inaccessible long before then

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:40 AM

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I have no idea what "cw_wikis" is.

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I did not get an email nor a notification about the wiki's deletion.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:40 AM

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Our database that holds a list of wikis

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I doubt there is a backup

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Because your wiki would have already been broken then

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But it's been offline over 3 months

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:42 AM

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how a wiki gets the entry? upon creation?

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:42 AM

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Yes

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Every wiki that exists as a wiki will have an entry

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:42 AM

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I did not break it. The last time I accessed it was around the start of summer which is less than the 180 days stated in your policy.

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:42 AM

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No idea why it was in a broken state

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:43 AM

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have you edited it in that time?

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:43 AM

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But it was and it was deleted as it was completely inaccessible which would indicate a failed deletion at some point earlier

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@lucid fulcrum is the expert on backups

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But I am not hopeful

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:44 AM

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you have access to db's rn?

zealous marlin Sep 23, 2022, 9:44 AM

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I don't have access to them no

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There is a rule for data though, unless you have 3 copies at 2 different sites. You do not own your data. You are leasing it from fate.

lapis vault Sep 23, 2022, 9:46 AM

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I do have the data—most of it at least—but not in a presentable, easy to read state as that is why I even bothered with Miraheze.

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Finding a new platform and rebuilding it all will take a while but that's what I get for relying on a "not-for-profit" project, I guess.

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 9:46 AM

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let's wait what Reception will say, he's still system administrator

lucid fulcrum Sep 23, 2022, 9:54 AM

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@lapis vault I'm sorry but us being a non profit means we can't just keep inactive wikis online forever. If your wiki was deleted recently there will almost certainly be a backup

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In addition, there would've been at least 6 months to avoid your wiki from being deleted, it's not like it was deleted without warning and a significant waiting period

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@lapis vault I have found a backup for your wiki

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Also I note you said you accessed the wiki not edited it in the last 180 days, so that would explain deletion

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Exemptions are possible as explained in the Dormancy Policy

strange scroll Sep 23, 2022, 10:08 AM

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I'd check if email is correct too, or maybe messages got dropped into spam folder
after 60 days of inactivity wiki receives huge banner/notice about closing too

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either try to make small edits once is a month or try to ask for exemption

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