alt sides helper not doing it's thing (i think)

[round stump]

so ive been trying to make alt sides for vanilla maps for like a week now (by vanilla maps i mean i copy every object of a vanilla map and paste it in a non vanilla map so it looks the exact same as vanilla maps) and it just doesnt work. i have an a side, b side and c side of forsaken city right now that ive copied, but whatever i do on the ASH menu it just doesnt work. ill provide pictures if needed, right now i just need help. thanks

i am not sure if im doing something wrong tho, i tried to follow the wiki as much as possible

[round stump]

can anyone help??

[opaque wolf]

@brave knot

[brave knot]

post a screenshot of your whole setup, including your folder structure & the text of your ASH meta files

[round stump]

ok

these are the maps

(ps: it also didnt use to work when i didnt have metadata for a side or b side. i didnt know if you needed to have one for those as well so i made one just to be safe)

im so ready for this to be an extremely obvious issue

[brave knot]

the a-side's meta file should specify the metadata for every side; that's why Sides is a list. the only thing that's relevant in the other meta files is AltSideData, everything else specified there is ignored

the UI doesn't provide a way to add another entry to the list, so you'll need to start it yourself; once an entry exists, then it'll display it too. that's why the section is labelled "(This)", other maps will also appear in a list once specified. it's just something i never got around to doing.

the example in the docs is like:

Sides:
- OverrideVanillaSideData: true
  Preset: "a-side"
  ShowHeartPoem: true
- Map: "examplemodder/ExampleMod/ExampleMap-D"
  Preset: "d-side"
  ShowBerriesAsGolden: true

again, you only need to manually put in Map for the other entries to get the UI to show them

(@round stump just in case)

[round stump]

i saw it lol

lemme read it

[brave knot]

o ok

i normally try to avoid pinging but idk how these forum channels work really

[opaque wolf]

theyre basically regular channels

[round stump]

its okay

[brave knot]

oh fun

[round stump]

so okay i dont think i understood what im supposed to do

way too many words for my small brain

[brave knot]

so y'know how you have 4 meta files

and each file says "this is how my map should look"

[round stump]

yyes

[brave knot]

ASH actually wants 1 file that says "this is how each map should look", and the other 3 files just say "listen to the A-Side"

[round stump]

ooooh

so i need to create another file or something?

[brave knot]

nope, it's the same 4 files, just different stuff in them

[round stump]

im pretty sure i have 3 files tho

[brave knot]

er, yeah, 3

i had 4 on the brain for some reason

[round stump]

real stuff

[brave knot]

yeah, the same 3 files

the files for the B and C sides only need the AltSideData bit, you can remove Sides: and everything afterwards entirely

and the actual info in there gets moved to the file for the A side

there, you have a list of customization options, each one starting with a -

in one of those entries, it'll have the line OverrideVanillaSideData: true: this says "this entry is for the A-Side"

in the other two, they'll instead have a line saying Map: alloy/strawbs/Z1_1fc or something: this says "this entry is for this other map"

[round stump]

oooh

lemme check

yes yes

okay

okay so

i realized i still have no idea what im doing

like i know what i should be doing but i dont know what im doing

does that make sense

[brave knot]

yeah i guess

do you know yaml at all

[round stump]

nope

[brave knot]

they don't seem to teach it in mapping school anymore but i thought it was worth asking

ok so, cut the whole bit that starts with a - in the non-A-side files and move it to the very end of the A-side file

[round stump]

wait no

think i gotta restart (maps not showing up)

[round stump]

ok so i did that

wait i think it mightve worked

[brave knot]

it won't have, since you still need to replace OverrideVanillaSideData with Map

[round stump]

i need to do that?

[brave knot]

to tell ASH to apply those settings to your B/C sides instead of your A side yes

[brave knot]

see this

[round stump]

im so confused rn

now the altsides helper metadata in lönn has 3 entries

2 says "this" and one says "z1_1fc" or something

[brave knot]

you want to have 3 entries, because you have 3 maps

[round stump]

yes but i only wrote one of the sides

[brave knot]

can you post what your meta file looks like now

[round stump]

i dont have the c side in the a side metadata

im embarrassed but here

[brave knot]

there are 3 -s so there are three maps

[round stump]

thats fair

do i just delete the 3rd -

[brave knot]

yeah, replace it with a space
and remove the line under it that starts with OverrideVanillaSideData

[round stump]

ok

nope

nothing

[brave knot]

ok, post the updated file

[round stump]

do i need to put something in the b side file too?

[brave knot]

and post what the other meta files look like for posterity

[round stump]

or remove the overridevanillaside data thing

[brave knot]

they shouldn't be empty, but only the AltSideData part of them matters

[brave knot]

your A side file isn't called 000_1fc.bin, is it

[round stump]

it is

is that the problem

[brave knot]

did you rename that since the first screenshot

[round stump]

yes

[brave knot]

no i'm just confused

did you rename any other map files

[round stump]

because i had to go to assist and skip 20 maps every time

[round stump]

nope

only the a side

[brave knot]

just as a sanity check, can i have a screenshot of your maps folder

(also worth mentioning that you do need to restart celeste for each change of an ASH meta file, they don'tget hot reloaded)

[round stump]

are you fr

[brave knot]

yea

look i haven't touched this thing in years, the thought of reworking it fills me with existential dread every time

[round stump]

i never did that

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i get that sometimes

the existential dread part

heres my maps folder without the useless junk

[brave knot]

is that a .meta file, or a .meta.yaml file with the extensions disabled

(it should be a .meta.yaml file)

[round stump]

its a meta.yaml

[brave knot]

cool

[brave knot]

wait, so does windows explorer show .bin but not .yaml?

that's weird

[round stump]

i guess lmao

maybe because those are undefined files?

like i dont have something to open them with? idk

[rustic wave]

The option is to hide "common" extensions and you simply must immediately uncheck it

[round stump]

IT WORKSS

[brave knot]

yaaay

[round stump]

and to think that all it took was an alt and an f4 key

[brave knot]

yeah you will cause/have infinitely less headaches with it off

[round stump]

thanks so much youre the goat

[brave knot]

np!

glad i could help

[round stump]

sorry i had to bother you this much lmao

thank you!!!!

[brave knot]

one day the UI will be better at doing these things

one day...

[round stump]

now to open the b side only for it to bsod my computer

[brave knot]

hell yeah

new crash helper

[round stump]

lets go!

[round stump]

LMAO

thanks again dude youre amazing

i can finally sleep at night knowing that i have a b side now

[brave knot]

not a dude but i appreciate it a lot

[round stump]

sorry, i just say it not to assume gender

[brave knot]

yeah i get the sentiment

[round stump]

reading pronouns (but still messing up) gang

also the b side actually crashed my game so thats cool

[brave knot]

amazing

[round stump]

time to see if it was a one time thing

[brave knot]

if you want help with the crash, i'll need the 🪵

[round stump]

oh get it cause the log haha i hate that joke

[brave knot]

}:3

[round stump]

its funny i just hate puns lmao

anyways yeah it works

one time crash ig

nevermind it just crashes when i exit

(quick fix is not to exit the chapter)

heres the log lol

i gtg tho sorry

be back in about 20 mins i think

[brave knot]

see ya

i'll ponder on this for a bit

[round stump]

oki

[round stump]

yo im back

found anything maybe possibly???

[brave knot]

nope

can i have the full log.txt?

[round stump]

pretty sure its this?

[brave knot]

nope, that's just the error log

[round stump]

oh

theres a log.txt?

[brave knot]

which misses most of the information

yeah

in your celeste folder

[round stump]

oh

fair

do i just send everything inside it

tryna make sure i dont leak my adress

ok here

[rustic wave]

Are you sure that's all, "message.txt" makes me think you're pasting into discord rather than just sending the file

[round stump]

im pasting into discord 😭

does that make a difference

i just ctrl A ctrl C ctrl V'd it

[rustic wave]

That's what I'm asking you

Just drag the file onto discord here and send it?...

[round stump]

im not sure what that changes but ok i guess

[rustic wave]

Okay that's the same size, disregard me then

[round stump]

[rustic wave]

Just surprised it didn't even get to logging the error

[round stump]

why does it always have to be me who gets an error message on my computer

[opaque wolf]

the tens of thousands of forum posts on here beg to differ

[round stump]

real stuff

[round stump]

also get it because only i can get error messages on MY computer haha im so funny (i need friends)

[opaque wolf]

holy shit you are SO right

[round stump]

lmao

[round stump]

i actually do need help tho

[rustic wave]

You better not be getting any error messages on MY computer

[Warn] [content] CONFLICT for asset path Maps/resources.zip (Celeste - Advanced Mode vs The Floor is Lava)

What does this even mean, tf is resources.zip

But yea I don't think your log has anything useful since it doesn't even seem to log everything up to the crash?

[opaque wolf]

both of those mods have a resources.zip in the maps folder

for whatever reason

[rustic wave]

Can you maybe throw all your ASH yamls in here as files, maybe there's messed up syntax or something?

[brave knot]

it does log the crash? if you download the file and scroll to the very bottom

i just haven't tried to debug it yet because i need to look through the code to see what might be causing it

[round stump]

i will *sinister laugh*

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on it

[rustic wave]

Oh wtf, so it does. Good to know that the app I was using to view text files on my phone is trash

[round stump]

i made both of them so that might explain it :P

(both the mods, not the zip files. i have no idea where those came from but it might be my mistake)

[round stump]

could anyone solve it lmao

[round stump]

noone?

okay i think i somehow fixed it i think idk

[opaque wolf]

anything ash should be forwarded to luna

[round stump]

would it be okay to ping?

[opaque wolf]

yes

[round stump]

good to know

[brave knot]

(i haven't forgotten about this, just been busy)

[round stump]

real stuff

i think i fixed it tho

excpet that this thing happens now

(the heart being blue even though its a cside)

[opaque wolf]

you can change heart colors last i checked

[round stump]

yes i did that

but it doesnt seem to work i think

[brave knot]

OverrideHeartTextures: false
hm

have you tried turning that on

[round stump]

yes

also it doesnt show a heart poem even though ShowHeartPoem is set to true

[opaque wolf]

did you save the yaml

idk if ash hot reloads it

[round stump]

luna said they dont but yeah

[opaque wolf]

then restart everest

[round stump]

imma restart clelste for the duotrigintillionth time today

[opaque wolf]

ctrl+f5 is a banger

[round stump]

what does that do

[opaque wolf]

try it

[round stump]

i sure hope it doesnt send a nuke to my exact location again!

i did already close everest tho so

[opaque wolf]

how did you know...

it restarts everest and puts you in the same room as before

if any

[round stump]

oh

that would be convenient to know around 6 months ago when i first started making this

knowing that saving a project on lönn also updates it in game and you dont have to restart the whole entire game would also be quite helpful

yep, just restarted and it didnt fix anything

oh wait

lemme try to do the "putting b and c side data into the a side yaml file" thingie that i forgot existed

also the control f5 thing doesnt seem to be working?

[opaque wolf]

do you have an fn key

[round stump]

yes

i did try that dw

it just does not seem to be working

[opaque wolf]

are you sure you're holding control and not shift

[round stump]

yes

is there a mod for it?

[opaque wolf]

no

[round stump]

that i might not have?

[opaque wolf]

its built into everest

[round stump]

welp

[rustic wave]

Do you need to enable debug for that?

[round stump]

okay so what the hell happened to my a and b sides

[opaque wolf]

i think so

[round stump]

that explains it i gues

[opaque wolf]

question one: why don't you have debug mode on already

[round stump]

idk

my brain is not big enough to know what pressing random buttons do okay

i opened debug mode once and i did not understand what the hell was going on so i just turned it off

[opaque wolf]

god i wish i could open linkedin without using my mouse
the ctrl+alt+shift+windows+L:

[rustic wave]

[round stump]

SEE FOR SOME REASON I KNEW THAT kinda

[opaque wolf]

because of the meme lmao

[round stump]

no

[opaque wolf]

try Y instead of L

[round stump]

well maybe idk if its a meme but i just saw it in a video of a random guy not using his mouse and doing everything with keybinds

[opaque wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/linkedin-mercy-windows-gif-1281647262192672817

was talking about this

[round stump]

oh lmao

never seen that meme i guess

and im pretty sure there was also a key for word

yeah w i think

[opaque wolf]

x for excel iirc

and s for sharepoint

p for powerpoint

[round stump]

im so good at things that dont affect me whatsoever and so bad at things that can actually matter!

[round stump]

next update n for nuke??

[opaque wolf]

yes

[round stump]

it opens onenote

[opaque wolf]

and i will personally deliver it to you

[round stump]

yay!!

[round stump]

also what makes this funnier is it isnt even the c side its the a side bruh

[opaque wolf]

check english.txt

[round stump]

okay i will but firstly i gotta make sure: does debug mode like actually help you or is it just like a little qol thing

because knowing the answer will not change if i turn it on or off since i will open it

[opaque wolf]

it does help

it allows you to f6 and enables other qol stuff

[round stump]

okay so dont get mad at me

but whats f6

oh its reload?

thats cool

also i think its fixed

the game stole my heart

[opaque wolf]

f6 is the debug map

[round stump]

it reloads my game tho

[opaque wolf]

what if you press f7

[round stump]

oh this time it didnt reload

what is going on

i already have a debug map bind from speedrun tool tho

[opaque wolf]

??

[round stump]

what "??"

[opaque wolf]

why does srt have a debug map bind

[round stump]

idk

it might not be from srt i just remember it like that

[opaque wolf]

what makes it different from everest's bind

[round stump]

it doesnt lol

[opaque wolf]

the debug map bind is part of everest

[round stump]

yeah i just dont know

i dont know where it came from

lemme check srt

yep

[opaque wolf]

i have no clue why its there or what makes it different from everest's bind

[round stump]

idk either but its there i guess

okay now it shows as a yellow heart ingame but not in the chapter card

it also shows right color in the journal

like its almost perfect

also exiting the b side crashes the game (again)

[round stump]

@brave knot is this part necessary for the b and c side metadata?

[brave knot]

nope

hm, it might be possible that they're interfering with it even

btw if you want a functional example of what the files should look like, there's a functional example in the helper itself

[round stump]

oh thanks

[round stump]

okay so i deleted those and now imma try again

[round stump]

so uh that didnt really fix my issue

the hearts in the chapter card are still blue