how can i choose the room my map starts in? | Mt. Celeste Climbing Association | Page 1

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 5:42 PM

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it's been starting in the correct room (first by alphabetical order, has checkpoint -1), but recently changed to a different room and now i dont know why

wise coral Jan 2, 2024, 5:44 PM

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it should start from spawn you placed first

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but DJ map helper has "start map spawn" or something like that, which is very useful

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 5:47 PM

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i've placed down the start level spawn point object\

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but it doesnt change anything

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the sitting madeline on the right is the dj helper thing

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and i spawn in the most left madeline when restarting chapter

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 5:52 PM

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cerulean heart and i spawn in the most left madeline when restarting chapter

by default celeste picks the level closest to (0,0)

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you can override that by specifying a starting room yourself in Map > Metadata

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 5:53 PM

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thank you!

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this fixed it instantly

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 5:56 PM

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happy mapping snip_glumbsup

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:00 PM

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thanks you blepeline

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:19 PM

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could you help me with one more thing? Celeste has stopped automatically updating entities when i save in Lonn, but tiles still get updated.

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:21 PM

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what entities in particular are you placing

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send log.txt

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:22 PM

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gilded barn what entities in particular are you placing

like spinners, spikes, doors and keys

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normal stuff

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before it all worked

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but like an hour ago stopped working

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:23 PM

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so tiles still get updated?

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:23 PM

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yes

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:23 PM

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what if you press ctrl+f5

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that restarts everest

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:23 PM

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well celeste closes

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:24 PM

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gilded barn that restarts everest

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:25 PM

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well it opened again and i have all the enities ive placed

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but they still dont get updated when saving

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and ground does

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where can i find the log.txt

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:29 PM

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squinteline weird

wise vergeBOT Jan 2, 2024, 6:29 PM

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If you have crashed, and are on Everest Core, there will be a log in the CrashLogs folder, which contains extra information that the regular logs do not. The Core crash handler will tell you the file name, and give you the option to open the folder.

Otherwise, in order to get Everest logs, open Olympus, and:

Press the "Manage", under the "Installations" panel on the main menu
Press "Browse" to open the Celeste folder
Send the log.txt file from that folder (not the error_log.txt or any log from LogHistory)

Note, on both Everest versions, there are older logs in the LogHistory folder inside the Celeste folder, but these are not the relevant logs. The most recent one is directly in the Celeste folder (and in CrashLogs for Core users), and not in any other folders.

Everest logs contain paths to certain files and folders in your system (e.g.: active helpers) to help with diagnosing problems. Remember to censor any usernames in log files before uploading them.

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:29 PM

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follow the 3 bullets

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:33 PM

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📎 log.txt

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:33 PM

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(01/02/2024 19:25:27) [Everest] [Warn] [MapData] Failed loading MapData 15 (SID: mikooolec/1-start/Radiance)
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Detailed exception log:
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System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
   at DMD<Celeste.MapData::orig_Load>(MapData this)

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squinteline uh something's going wrong with your map load

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try exiting and reentering..?

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:34 PM

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tried, both celeste and lonn

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:34 PM

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gilded barn <:squinteline:902180197426667520> uh something's going wrong with your map load

weird because it all loads fine when opening celeste from 0, just doesnt load in entities on save

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:35 PM

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also, update everest

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latest version is 4465

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can you send the map bin to me? i can try debugging it

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:36 PM

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if it doesnt work after updating everest i will

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:37 PM

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it probably still won't work

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i have a feeling there's some entity that's broken

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:41 PM

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yup, still doesn't work

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📎 Radiance.bin

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:42 PM

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on it

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ummm, please do not use decals from sj or other large collabs

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they're private assets

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plus this means whoever plays your mod will have to download the entirety of sj

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:45 PM

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the only one i used is the wooden strawberry

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didnt know i cant do that

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will replace with my own asset

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:45 PM

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snip_glumbsup

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:45 PM

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thanks

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:45 PM

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the dependency viewer shows you all the places you placed those by the way

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:45 PM

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yeah

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strawberry rooms

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:48 PM

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okay, looking at MapData.Load i suspect something's wrong with a strawberry or a checkpoint

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:50 PM

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might be a return strawberry in a-14b

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lines up with the time it broke

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:50 PM

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hmm could be

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:50 PM

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as ive added it today

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and it is from a dependency not used before

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:50 PM

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is it enabled?

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:51 PM

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wdym enabled?

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:51 PM

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like, is sorbethelper enabled

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:51 PM

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in here or what

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:51 PM

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in your mod list snip_embarrassed

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like, olympus, Manage Installed Mods

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:52 PM

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it is

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gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:52 PM

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okay just want to make sure

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:52 PM

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does editing and updating work on your side?

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:53 PM

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mmm i haven't tested yet

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i'm gonna look into sorbethelper's assembly

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okay, this is funny

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the ahorn plugin (an obsolete map editor) has fields for checkpoint ID and order

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but the lönn plugin doesn't

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:55 PM

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i can edit checkpoints order with selection

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gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 6:56 PM

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not on the return berry

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 6:56 PM

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or the id att least

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:00 PM

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opening celeste, will try to find out what is the issue

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okay this is weird

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it works when loading into the map, but not when reloading

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:02 PM

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exactly

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:02 PM

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time to whip out visual studio i suppose

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:20 PM

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okay something's definitely wrong with strawberries

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currently looking what exactly though

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@cerulean heart it looks like one of your berries has a checkpoint id of 3 thonkeline

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:22 PM

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whaat

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:22 PM

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apparently a-11b

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:22 PM

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i haven't give any berries checkpoint ids

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as far as i remember

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a-11b says its got id -1

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:23 PM

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yeah i just checked and this doesn't make any sense

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cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:24 PM

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so its trying to assign this berry to a checkpoint that doesnt exist?

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:25 PM

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num7 is the checkpoint id of the strawberry

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num8 is the order

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it seems so?

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:25 PM

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why does it show up as -1 in lonn tho if it is rlly 3

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:25 PM

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everest automatically assigns berry ids, i'm guessing that's malfunctioning...?

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:25 PM

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i can change em all manually

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:27 PM

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okay i found exactly where the error occurs

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num7 is 3 right now

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3-1 is 2, but that's outside the bounds

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<@&673394998913400873> uhhh it seems like everest auto assigning berry orders is malfunctioning here? this one berry has a checkpointID of 3 and an order of 0, but there's only 2 checkpoints

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throwing an index out of range exception when reloading the room and not updating entities

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:31 PM

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oh right I've been meaning to fix out of bounds berry checkpoints causing that. there was an idea once that you could use those to make berries not show up in the list but nobody bothered implementing that and then it turned out they break reloading

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:31 PM

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is it known why the assignment fails?

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:31 PM

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it sounds like the bigger issue is a berry ending up with that checkpoint id in the first place without being told to

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:31 PM

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yup

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debuggers for the win

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i'm still paused on the breakpoint

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need anything extra?

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:32 PM

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gilded barn is it known why the assignment fails?

honestly half of the reason I haven't touched this again is that the berry map data processor code is a stinky trashfire

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:32 PM

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snip_pog

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:33 PM

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(I'm allowed to say that because I wrote it)

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:33 PM

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sooo i assume we're resorting to manual checkpoint assignment

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@cerulean heart

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:33 PM

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rigid monolith (I'm allowed to say that because I wrote it)

how does it work, like a quick breakdown

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:34 PM

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gilded barn sooo i assume we're resorting to manual checkpoint assignment

yep thats what ill do

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thanks for all the help

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id never find this myself

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:34 PM

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snip_glumbsup

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oh yeah actually

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you might have issues with that return berry

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to fix that you can use a normal vanilla strawberry and use a frosthelper bubbler

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:35 PM

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gilded barn how does it work, like a quick breakdown

uuuh a quick breakdown is what happens to my emotions when I look at it

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:38 PM

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@cerulean heart also potential exploit: a player might miss a checkpoint

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@rigid monolith actually wait hold on
there are 3 checkpoints

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:39 PM

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this was an intended skip before i've added checkpoints, thanks for pointing that out

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:39 PM

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but the game only thinks there's 2

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@cerulean heart what if you remove the checkpoint in the starting room

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i don't think that's supposed to be there

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:40 PM

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should i index the new first checpoint as -1, or keep as 0?

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:40 PM

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try -1s, maybe that checkpoint in the start room was throwing it off horribly

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:41 PM

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i've deleted it and my entities magically showed up

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:41 PM

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3paul so it was that checkpoint

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TIL i suppose

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cc @rigid monolith so the weird strawberry ordering was caused by a checkpoint entity being in the start room

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gladbw

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 7:43 PM

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I have no idea what the expected behavior in that situation is or which part of code is ignoring that checkpoint

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it sounds like the berry handling is counting it, which makes sense

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:44 PM

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cerulean heart i've deleted it and my entities magically showed up

can reproduce, deleting the checkpoint in the starting room no longer throws that exception

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so, huh.

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is this known btw? @cerulean heart

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you're using the texture from JungleHelper but don't declare it as a dependency

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:45 PM

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should i just tap 'add dependency' on all the things im using?

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:46 PM

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yeah

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:46 PM

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except for sj

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:46 PM

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issue is though.. junglehelper needs to be added manually

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as lönn doesn't consider it to be a dependency

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(since you're not using its entities and such)

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:47 PM

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destareline

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:48 PM

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also, this entity in a-03: you want a Jump Through, not a FallThru

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vivhelper's fallthru lets you fall through that platform, softlocking you (as you spawn inside the dream block and unable to move) and triggering everest's softlock prevention

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Jump Through (Temple B) is what you're after

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:49 PM

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i could swear i've typed in jump through

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oh i see

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i placed the bottom one

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:50 PM

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oh yea

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that's misleading

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also it seems like you're placing multiple spikes around
that's inefficient; you can just drag existing spikes around

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like so

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also you're using some adventurehelper's linked zip movers, where regular zip movers/zippers would do the trick snip_embarrassed

cerulean heart Jan 2, 2024, 7:54 PM

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I couldn't find the regular ones maddyblob

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I see there is a lot for me to learn and improve on

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 7:54 PM

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well, everyone starts somewhere

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i can say that so far the map looks promising

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you'll gain experience as you map pateline

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 8:52 PM

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cerulean heart

@patent sentinel these should probably have a less ambiguous name

patent sentinel Jan 2, 2024, 10:52 PM

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i thought it was called Fall Through despaireline

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 11:01 PM

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@cerulean heart @gilded barn I looked at the map, the specific issue was that the first checkpoint has checkpoint ID -1, so is automatically assigned to the first checkpoint slot (0) by everest, but then the second checkpoint is manually assigned to 0

gilded barn Jan 2, 2024, 11:01 PM

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ah

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 11:01 PM

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you still shouldn't have a checkpoint in your starting room because then you get two checkpoint tabs that lead to the same room, but that's not what caused this specific issue

rigid monolith Jan 2, 2024, 11:02 PM

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rigid monolith <@690561024675282964> <@205069548595052544> I looked at the map, the specific is...

avoiding this type of issue is what makes the berry code such a fucking mess

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I am also realising that the automatic berry checkpoint assignment doesn't play well at all with manual checkpoint ID assignment on the checkpoint entities

cerulean heart Jan 3, 2024, 3:54 PM

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why is it my strawberries don't show up on the bottom of the screen? there are no dots like in vanilla. the berries are all indexed and have the checkpoint filled out

gilded barn Jan 3, 2024, 3:58 PM

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cerulean heart why is it my strawberries don't show up on the bottom of the screen? there are n...

you need to have beaten the map for that to show up

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alternatively, just enter the debug save

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do you have debug mode enabled?

cerulean heart Jan 3, 2024, 4:06 PM

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i have this checked

gilded barn Jan 3, 2024, 4:08 PM

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good

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go to the main menu and click on the ~DEBUG~ save

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then enter your map, you'll have the berry counter when you pause

cerulean heart Jan 3, 2024, 4:09 PM

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ohh

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thanks!

#how can i choose the room my map starts in?