Dinheirosaurus is smaller than Diplo
@warped tapir no, its not
#general-feedback-discussion
strange wave
lilac swallow
Is slightly smaller, and thats not enought
Kentro on the other hand, is 1/7 of stego's size
strange wave
its a giga carcha case not even tarbo rex
the only worthwhile large sauropod addition would be Apatosaurus ajax, or you could just call it bronto because reasons
warped tapir
Okay maybe you are right, I’m just desperate for a viable sauropod
mental sleet
It doesn't take much to make sauropods viable, the problem is that they are very niche.
lilac swallow
Literally every sauropod over 15 tons is insta viable
The thing is not many people Will play them
mental sleet
Not necessarily a problem.
real kraken
I mean, if you add in mechanics that will make them enjoyable, I think most people will want to play a sauropod that looks good and works within the game. Especially on Realism servers people would want to herd together with dryos and such
lilac swallow
Not saying its a problem
The simple fact of being a majestic living landmark is enought appeal for me
lilac swallow
Super sonic tail whip
ashen elm
I still think the best chance for a playable sauropod is still Bronto
It's a bit smaller than Cama but is tanky enough to handle apexes
lilac swallow
I still prefer cama
real kraken
Yeah, but diplodocus
lilac swallow
Diplo and brachi are 
ashen elm
Bronto can do everything Diplodocus does and more, a bit with a shorter tail
lilac swallow
For me at least
real kraken
But seeing a herd of diplodocus walking through the flat plains would just look so cool though
ashen elm
It would but clipping nightmare
real kraken
Oh yeah, and if they dont add a section of the map that's really flat I wont be happy lol
nah
ashen elm
Clipping what they've said in the past as a barrier for large sauros
even tho technically hypos have it even worse even if you don't see them as often
lilac swallow
but hypers gets a free pass because they are edgy
ashen elm
real kraken
whaaaaa
ashen elm
this before dino left but this year
real kraken
That would be the perfect combination
ashen elm
Another negative for Diplo is it doesn't have a model made already
But Bronto does
real kraken
Just add torvosaurus, as good tail and neck swing and your sorted
lilac swallow
Bronto isnt my cup of tea, but at least isnt apato
yeah i know they are basically the same
ashen elm
lol, I just like the name better and Brontos smaller so it might be easier to balance
lilac swallow
Apato is like bronto but without what makes bronto unique
real kraken
Bronto and apato look dopy and abit shite
real kraken
yeah
lilac swallow
too bad your opinion is wrong
ashen elm
But either way I do hope we get a large sauro in survival officials, Magy is not enough
real kraken
Magy would get owned by everything, the fact it can "outrun an allo" is stupid
lilac swallow
Magy is like giving ceratopsian fans only protoceratops and nothing more
real kraken
lol
ashen elm
😭
lilac swallow
Magy would get owned by everything, the fact it can "outrun an allo" is stupid
@real kraken fun fact, It cant
real kraken
ikr
lilac swallow
Now "It tastes bad"
Like thats stopping anyone for simply killing it
Herbi players already kill everyone and they cant eat meat, whats stopping carnis (or herbis too) from killing magy?
ashen elm
I don't really mind Magy too much, but they certainly made their jobs harder with picking a dwarf sauropod to make viable
paper oriole
i'm an herbi and i'll kill magy just out of spite that he took the place a cool sauropod like baja coulda gotten
lilac swallow
Literally just pick salta, double the size, which means stronger and longer legs that actuly allows for more speed
real kraken
Instead of magy why not add shunosaurus
Shuno has spins down its tail, has a small club and is a metre or 2 bigger than magy
lilac swallow
A 2 ton sauropod can actually defend itself from allo, and if It cant the longer legs would give It the speed necesary
real kraken
Salta also has armor on its back so thats even better
lilac swallow
I say salta because its literally magy but bigger
lilac swallow
Even if they did they would simply ignore
ashen elm
Shuno or Bajada would've been fine
But I think they choose Magy because they wanted something Cera could eat. It's literally built around being Cera food
lilac swallow
Just look at the amount of negative and constructive feedback anky concept art got yet they changed nothing when they modeled
real kraken
And kissen doesnt want a ridiculous dino that was naturally hunted by raptors or something (I'm pretty sure)
lilac swallow
Shuno or Bajada would've been fine
But I think they choose Magy because they wanted something Cera could eat. It's literally built around being Cera food
@ashen elm kentro is perfect for that
ashen elm
Being Cera food? Maybe if Cera would need to find some way to avoid all the spikes
lilac swallow
And kissen doesnt want a ridiculous dino that was naturally hunted by raptors or something (I'm pretty sure)
@real kraken funnily enought thats Teno, and Teno is kissen's personal pick
real kraken
Who wants magy then???
lilac swallow
Being Cera food? Maybe if Cera would need to find some way to avoid all the spikes
@ashen elm i was refering more to a "rival" like trike is to rex
fleet cobalt
add Argentinosaurus already then
real kraken
" Magyarosaurus is considered the smallest titanosaur, and is regarded as a fine example of insular dwarfism. This is where animals that live in an area of limited size, such as an island, grow smaller so as not to use up the available food supply "
http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/species/m/magyarosaurus.html
lilac swallow
Who wants magy then???
@real kraken the official version is "It was a vote"
real kraken
madness
paper oriole
a vote among who? among the devs who are already biased towards carnis?
real kraken
It's a feckin dwarf
fleet cobalt
@real kraken the official version is "It was a vote"
@lilac swallow I heard each Dev was allowed to put a dino in, someone there liked Magy
ashen elm
Who wants magy then???
I don't think anyone seriously wanted Magy before it was revealed. But there are people who like it now, so
I'm kinda indifferent, I like sauropods in general but Magy kinda doesn't have much going for it in coolness
crude girder
probably went "here is the size range we need to stay inside of, what dinosaurs should we do"
real kraken
lol
ashen elm
We coulda had Amarga 
in the team vote
but it was too big
I wonder if they knew about Bajada because it's smaller than Amarga
lilac swallow
But judging by the passive agressiveness that kissen shows when talking about magy and how some devs hinted their distaste (Bryan saying he doesnt know how he would animate It faster than allo) It wasnt much of a vote
paper oriole
they coulda at least gone with Nigersaurus if they wanted a useless free kill sauropod
for shits and giggles
crude girder
At least Nigersaurus is still a diplodocid with a whip tail
real kraken
That looks better than magy
lilac swallow
They wanted in their words a sauropod smaller than maia
real kraken
...
ashen elm
Bajada would've been perfect tbh
Bajada is smaller than Maia
real kraken
So a dino that is smaller than a maya and slower + weaker than a maia...
lilac swallow
First thats kinda idiotic, but even then they had very good candidates
paper oriole
but Baja can defend himself and that's not allowed
real kraken
Yes we need Baja
lilac swallow
All they did was searching in Google "small sauropod", its the first thing to show
Baja wasnt even considered
ashen elm
silver zephyr
😔
ashen elm
I kinda wish they'd reach out the community more for choices. I know we give terrible one's sometimes but... other times we can offer some interesting choices
real kraken
Who's in charge of what goes into the game, is it dondi?
paper oriole
Magy is essentially just a bad tasting plateosaurus with arthritis, and they spent how much money on it
fleet cobalt
They literally stuck with the first shit they found
@lilac swallow What have you done to me??? I searched "Small Sauropod" on google with images on
lilac swallow
Plateo is 4 tons at Minimum
fleet cobalt
I regret everything...
paper oriole
magy is more useless than a prosauropod 
ashen elm
Or do what PoT does on their discord and have an entire channel dedicated to choices that is pretty organized
Gives playstyle, size, species, etc... info necessary instead of just "add this x because"
real kraken
lilac swallow
Actually the search is "dwarf sauropod"
real kraken
fleet cobalt
What about Vulcanodon?
ashen elm
Sail Amarga kinda cursed
ashen elm
No, not more than Rhino Anky
paper oriole
baja is cooler, he has a mohawk
lilac swallow
At least amarga was thought to have a sail once
real kraken
Imagine being a herra and being able to kill a sauropod
ashen elm
True
crude girder
Honestly fictionalize all the animals to the level of rhino anky or fix rhino anky and the other out there concepts
The game has no consistent style it feels
real kraken
Hops onto BOB
lilac swallow
Or you know, use the concept if strains to implement the Monsters while leaving normal animals as normal animal
crude girder
Rhino anky barely resembles the animal, Austro even less so, then we have Proto and Allo
fleet cobalt
pick your favorite
Rhino anky barely resembles the animal, Austro even less so, then we have Proto and Allo
@crude girder cant agree more
crude girder
Honestly putting all of the Isle's animals on a spectrum to show more/less accurate and stylized would be an interesting visual
imo
ashen elm
Europatitan? Though my favorite European Sauropod is either Ampelosaurus (who got bigger) and another species which isn't described yet
lilac swallow
Rhino anky, fatter than Rex acro, stork "austro" and "dropped in the head as a baby" Alberto recieved tons of negative criticism
Kentro and pronto model reveals was acclaimed by everyone
paper oriole
ampelo is cool
lilac swallow
I think they can take a hint?
ashen elm
15 ton Ampelo with armor 
paper oriole
if they want a 'small' fictionalized sauropod they could just make turtle ampelo 
crude girder
I actually have some complaints, Proto and Kentro seem plain, like they are the animals with 0 flair
fleet cobalt
Rhino anky, fatter than Rex acro, stork "austro" and "dropped in the head as a baby" Alberto recieved tons of negative criticism
Kentro and pronto model reveals was acclaimed by everyone
@lilac swallow can I see kentro mdoel?
ashen elm
Proto and Kentro most unchanged but that's good
paper oriole
they took in feedback on herra when people commented on his snout/teeth but totally ignored the feedback on anky
crude girder
Tenonto is amazing, it's my favorite dinosaur, has been for years, and the Isle's rendition feels like it can still be called Tenontosaurus, while seeming right at home amongst the other creatures
lilac swallow
Its in announcements and the roadmap
crude girder
Kentro and Proto meanwhile just seem like "yup that's a Protoceratops"
lilac swallow
Also that, tenonto's fictionalization is the best one
crude girder
Homalo is another great one imo
ashen elm
I'm not sure I trust them with fictionalization anymore, not after Anky
Better to stick the skeletals for base dinosaurs then fictionalize with strains and elders
lilac swallow
they took in feedback on herra when people commented on his snout/teeth but totally ignored the feedback on anky
@paper oriole the feedback on anky was "just complains from paleo nerds"
crude girder
And honestly? I love the way Magy looks, on that front alone I really think it's a great pick. But great artwork =/= good playable, that relies on stats and mechanics
lilac swallow
Magy does look good
real kraken
I dont really like its looks
paper oriole
tbh i think it's just because they hate anky in general lol
crude girder
Why didn't we get rhino minmi
If Ankylosaurs have these issues, why not apply the same solution to the whole group
paper oriole
magy looks fine for what it is appearance-wise but he's still a shit choice
lilac swallow
tbh i think it's just because they hate anky in general lol
@paper oriole they were trying to justify the shit storm that "anky bad" was
ashen elm
Because apparently being small and being able to hide is enough so no real changes to proportions necc
paper oriole
yeah basically "you don't think anky is a bad animal? we'll MAKE it a bad animal"
silver zephyr
@paper oriole the feedback on anky was "just complains from paleo nerds"
Tbh i get this to an extent. Like obviously they don't want normal anky for a reason. Instead of advocating for a completely different anky a better idea is to change the aspects of the design that suck or go too rhino such as the arm guards and the dented back. But thats just my opinion.
lilac swallow
"see? Anky is so bad that we needed to transform It"
crude girder
Well moreso "Anky is a bad animal, this is good animal anky, see? It doesn't look like anky anymore!"
fleet cobalt
Its in announcements and the roadmap
@lilac swallow does the model is equal to the art? because that art on the Trello is fucking hideous
paper oriole
the least they coulda done was take into account all the people shitting on the dip in his back, it's one of the worst parts
real kraken
Why dont they add (for a mid size sauropod) Paralititan along with carchar and then for a small sauropod add aegyptosaurus
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.vGkUahRELVGrbOaCksow7QHaDr?w=308&h=174&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7
lilac swallow
The art is actually a tender using the model
ashen elm
I really don't agree with their reasons they think Anky is unviable but the Pesky drama pretty much covered all that already
crude girder
The amount of stuff you can get away with and still be accurate to the animals skeleton and proportions, especially given modern paleoart, is more than enough to give the animals personality
real kraken
why not carchar???
paper oriole
crude girder
Tbf we do have both Oro and Hypsi now
paper oriole
just make carchar a giga skin
ashen elm
Paralititan is not mid-sized, it's pretty big
silver zephyr
you can make smalls much more gimmicky tho
crude girder
Redundant animals is the theme of Evrima's new animals
Yeah I hope their mechanics are enough to make that comment age like milk
silver zephyr
?
fleet cobalt
The art is actually a tender using the model
@lilac swallow how so?
silver zephyr
Whether it actually happens doesnt matter. Smalls have much more room for out there abilities
real kraken
Yeah nvm, its over double the height of rex
real kraken
Aegyptosaurus still works tho
paper oriole
chad sauro, just fuse his back armor together to make him epic spiky small sauropod tank
crude girder
I mean they could do something like rhino anky to make char special
fleet cobalt
Yeah nvm, its over double the height of rex
@real kraken common mistake... something double your size is far heavier than double your weight :p
real kraken
@fleet cobalt yeah
silver zephyr
Just giving carchar rhino armor or something doesn't make it unique gameplay wise
ashen elm
Ampelos pretty big now tho. It approaches Bronto in weight
crude girder
I mean fictionalize the animal to fit gameplay that it otherwise can't
fleet cobalt
no... Don't talk about gameplay
real kraken
Make carchar a smaller + quicker giga and it'll work
paper oriole
sooooo acro
crude girder
Nah cause acro is apperantly mini rex
paper oriole
nooo
fleet cobalt
you can have shallow "unique" gameplay or developed gameplay
real kraken
I cant see them making acro look/sound good
fleet cobalt
last time I tried to dive into a characterist that could place some carnis into very different play styles I got murdered here, so...
crude girder
I can see it, I just don't think it'll happen lol
paper oriole
why add the giga equivalent of tarbo if you have to force unique features on to it to make it work
vast wolf
I cant see them making acro look/sound good
legacy but with more base
why add the giga equivalent of tarbo if you have to force unique features on to it to make it work
because it was a dev pick
crude girder
Also if there is an amazing mechanic that Carchar could do, why not just give it to Giga
vast wolf
carchar is just giga with a thinner skull acro at least looks somewhat unique.
fleet cobalt
you know something that could completely change a dino playstyle?
real kraken
My opinion - Elephant sounds mixed with a carnivore roar sounds the best
crude girder
Laser eyes
devout falcon
crude girder
It would change the playstyle
paper oriole
magy needs laser eyes
fleet cobalt
if Carno ram interacted with the environment, say, he hits a tree and gets hurt depending on speed
paper oriole
then he'd be halfway viable
crude girder
Magy just needs a team of AI bodygaurd Camara
fleet cobalt
there u have a reason to be away of jungles as carno
vast wolf
this but give it the stego treatment. https://youtu.be/_f9UNPUvL2c
crude girder
The reason you stay away from jungles as carno is you can only fight good if you can hit and run, which you cant do if you can't see more than 3 feet ahead of you
ashen elm
if Carno ram interacted with the environment, say, he hits a tree and gets hurt depending on speed
Yes let's do that 👏
real kraken
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Youtube+planet+dinosaur+acro+roar&&view=detail&mid=D91C9F78D60AA2508EC9D91C9F78D60AA2508EC9&&FORM=VRDGAR
Get saltasaurs and carchars in and it'll be a great time
crude girder
The carchar is that show isn't actually a carchar
fleet cobalt
Yes let's do that 👏
@ashen elm I mean, it's good for immersion
ashen elm
I like Salta but it's too w i d e and would be apex food
paper oriole
carcha as a skin for giga is the most it deserves
crude girder
Imagine confusing 2 such different animals as Giganotosaurus and Carcharadontosaurus
real kraken
put armor in its back
vast wolf
yeah salta would be too weak and slow to deal with the apexes.
ashen elm
https://johnconway.art/images/medium/saltapotamus.jpeg
The artist isn't exaggerating here
real kraken
Armor, BAM
ashen elm
Salta is sauropod transforming into Ankylosaur
fleet cobalt
https://johnconway.art/images/medium/saltapotamus.jpeg
The artist isn't exaggerating here
@ashen elm this reminds me of chonky trike
crude girder
Huh what animal does this sound like? Too weak and slow to survive predators? Only in the game because they wanted a dinosaur from it's family in that size range?
vast wolf
salto has really exposed sides and a an exposed neck that are easy to bite.
paper oriole
adding armor to salta would be useless when you could just add ampelo
fleet cobalt
crude girder
Adding Salta would be useless when you have Giga in the same game as it
ashen elm
paper oriole
balloon lookin ass
vast wolf
ampelo faces the same issue too slow to escape apexes and too small to fight them.
crude girder
but wait what if Saltasaurus gave you debuffs when you ate it?
real kraken
adding armor to salta would be useless when you could just add ampelo
@paper oriole True
crude girder
That will surely make it viable
ashen elm
Ampelo got upsized recently mrgharial, it could probably fight apexes
vast wolf
salt lick salta
ashen elm
paper oriole
salta could get a defensive mechanic where it deflates and blows the predators away or flies away like a balloon
fleet cobalt
salta can turn into sand and flee, seems legit
real kraken
lol
crude girder
mild armor, and being high in salt
vast wolf
i thought it was 15 tons but then it was changed to < 8 tons and now you tell me its 15 again.
ashen elm
The 8 ton is Ampelo Sp.
vast wolf
fleet cobalt
@vast wolf DILO!
ashen elm
And it got nerfed to 5 tons
vast wolf
but then we would just replace camara with ampelo
paper oriole
ampelo is cooler anyway cus spikes
fleet cobalt
what niche we considering rn?
paper oriole
spikes make everything better
fleet cobalt
sorry I lost myself in the convo
vast wolf
what niche we considering rn?
dead fish
ashen elm
@vast wolf
fleet cobalt
dead fish
@vast wolf Magy seems good for that
fleet cobalt
I joined the Baryrights cause
vast wolf
^this
real kraken
Wouldnt carno just be able to charge into magy and knock it over??
ashen elm
Yes
fleet cobalt
Wouldnt carno just be able to charge into magy and knock it over??
@real kraken he should
but he can't even knock himself out, am very skeptical
ashen elm
Which is why Magy will probably stay inside forests 24/7
Or at least try to avoid Carno at all costs
real kraken
Now I'm thinking about it, it would look cool to see one roaming about (As large predators will probably never go into the forests)
As I'm going be playing herra alot I think it should be able to jump on its or anything else back
fleet cobalt
Now I'm thinking about it, it would look cool to see one roaming about (As large predators will probably never go into the forests)
@real kraken they will if they add the mega flora*
paper oriole
magy hides from carno in forest, gets destroyed by troodons
real kraken
perks of the trees lol
fleet cobalt
^^^^^^ and utahs
paper oriole
and dilos and ceratos and literally anything that lives in the forest
fleet cobalt
^^^^ and hypsis
paper oriole
magy better watch out for those compies
real kraken
I hope they improve on the rest of the map as the current evrima map is terrible (in my opinion)
fleet cobalt
magy better watch out for those compies
@paper oriole compies too OP nerf plx
paper oriole
the ambience butterflies might be a threat to magy
fleet cobalt
assassin butterflies seems legit
real kraken
I hope they re create V1 or V2 (sort of)
fleet cobalt
they new map has too many forests
real kraken
Is there a map of it?
fleet cobalt
I don't think anyone made it, but playing all I can find is forests for hours and 2 min of a tall grass area and then more forests
and the ocasional swamp
real kraken
Well they mentioned deserts and everything before so I think the bit of map we can play is the worst (hopefully) and will most likely be where magy lives
paper oriole
wait guys ive got it..
fleet cobalt
I only saw swamps
real kraken
😆
fleet cobalt
magy can store air in his neck flap and live in the ocean
@paper oriole His neck flap is to store berries and kill all other herbies from starvation, thus, sacrificing everything for it's survival
paper oriole
it was so obvious all along this is what they have planned
magy's neck flap is where is stores its fire breathing glands when it evolves to elder
fleet cobalt
I thought it was were he store the spit
real kraken
When it turns to elder it'll grow wings and become a dragon, thats their actual plan
fleet cobalt
am sorry am kinda tired, am commiting so many typos
When it turns to elder it'll grow wings and become a dragon, thats their actual plan
@real kraken a Cocotrix*
real kraken
It's 00:11 for me
jovial vine
Hello fellow bri ish
paper oriole
when it turns elder its neck flap opens and it inverts itself to become a viable animal
like one of those weird pillows
real kraken
genius
jovial vine
Is that a dragon?
@real kraken I could ask you the same thing
real kraken
lel
jovial vine
Sorry I’m just really funny
real kraken
Humour lol
fleet cobalt
cocotrix at it's finest
real kraken
What am I looking at
fleet cobalt
a rooster dragon
zinc anvil
chicken?
fleet cobalt
Magy final form
real kraken
Fire breathing chickens n' that
fleet cobalt
Fire breathing chickens n' that
@real kraken this is they finest form I believe
real kraken
ooo
Hold on (off topic) why dont they replace acro with Ostafrikasaurus?
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.NK7iLa5JqXC4cNamInJDnQHaCg&w=420&h=160&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.1&pid=3.1&rm=2
paper oriole
baryonix moment
paper oriole
tbh irritator might not even be bad, since spino is being ruined altered to be more terrestrial
so an actual swimmer spinosaurid could still work
real kraken
I would love to see a bary or irritator swimming in deep swamps
fleet cobalt
I think Spino could be decent on ground and godlike on water
real kraken
or rivers
fleet cobalt
I can't remember, did they found irritator tail yet?
real kraken
Spino on ground should be tank, unable to do much damage but have alot of health
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.K4N8GCE07VR_5y6QgGXFcwHaFj?w=234&h=185&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7
bary doesnt seem like mich of a swimmer, more of a wader
@paper oriole True
fleet cobalt
bary doesnt seem like mich of a swimmer, more of a wader
@paper oriole yep, his tail not very good
paper oriole
bary isnt very streamlined at all lol
fleet cobalt
better than magy
paper oriole
would probably just be a faster and more agile lower tier partner to sucho if he gets upgraded to pseudo apex
real kraken
If they're adding Stego, whats the point in kentro? Will it just give more bleed or something
paper oriole
kentro is smol
paper oriole
hopefully they do, as well as reflective damage
so if you bump into him you get jabbed
real kraken
yeah
paper oriole
shoulder check attacks would do him well
real kraken
utah wont be able to pounce then
paper oriole
utah will have to get him from the front all sneaky like
real kraken
yh
paper oriole
probably the same as stego with the big guys, some things are best to be ambushed rather than brawled
real kraken
probably the same as stego with the big guys, some things are best to be ambushed rather than brawled
@paper oriole Just bite the head and 1 shot
fleet cobalt
Could its back spikes give bleed?
@real kraken You see, What I want from Kentro back spikes is
paper oriole
yeah get the jump on him before he can react/position himself to stab your cloaca out with his thagomizer
fleet cobalt
Dumb Utahs trying to pounce kentro and getting impaled
real kraken
Have someone distract whilst you sneak round
paper oriole
dracula kentro with 3 utahs impaled on each side
using them as meat shields against hungry carnis
here just take a utah kebab
real kraken
fleet cobalt
of the Utah is dumb enough to pounce a Kentro yep
real kraken
Will they add the side spikes
paper oriole
dont think they made his side spikes that large
paper oriole
may just be the angle tho
fleet cobalt
here just take a utah kebab
@paper oriole goooood
real kraken
ooooh, didnt see that lol
paper oriole
since they are sorta angled towards the camera view
fleet cobalt
but tell me, didnt you like Kentro kebab service idea?
paper oriole
kentro's kebabs and falafels
real kraken
If pteranodon cant pick up babys I'll be disapointed
fleet cobalt
from some mechanics we already saw, I think he will swallow babas
real kraken
0_0 ooo
paper oriole
pick up babies and drop them dead in front of their parents
or try to drop them on top of the parent
fleet cobalt
pick up babies and drop them dead in front of their parents
or try to drop them on top of the parent
@paper oriole god... dropping a baby kentro ontop of mama kentro
paper oriole
i hope gallimimus can snatch babies with its arms too if he's also still planned to eat eggs
real kraken
pick up babies and drop them dead in front of their parents
@paper oriole https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.IaxeLRku0Oni1mPz5gOxTAHaHF?w=183&h=185&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7
paper oriole
unlikely tho
i hope they take advantage of galli's reputation and make kid killing a part of his gameplay
fleet cobalt
pick up 100kg baba and dive bomb at 200kmph effectivelly transforming the baba into a bomb
real kraken
Think they'll add karosuchus (or anything like it) with the deino
pick up 100kg baba and dive bomb at 200kmph effectivelly transforming the baba into a bomb
@fleet cobalt kills all surrounding animals
paper oriole
just invade nests and go cassowary on all the babies, then gobble down their mangled bodies
fleet cobalt
kills all surrounding animals
@real kraken perfection! I want that feature
paper oriole
i hope corpses can deal damage if they fall from heights or are thrown
fleet cobalt
i hope corpses can deal damage if they fall from heights or are thrown
@paper oriole ptera bombs now!
real kraken
Death from above
paper oriole
imagine getting squashed by a trike falling down a mountainside or having a stego launch the corpse of your skewered packmate at you to bowl you over
if we can't throw bodies imma be sad
real kraken
Realism at its finest
real kraken
Thats what they meant by magy tasting bad, it just shits itself when it dies...
fleet cobalt
no poo poo mechanics
@paper oriole dung beetle rolling in peace and all of sudden he finda a big cliff...
real kraken
magy can spin his tail like a helicopter and spray shit at attackers
@paper oriole Yes!
paper oriole
if they wanna make magy 'unappetizing'
fleet cobalt
wouldn't he inflate his neck to become a balloon?
paper oriole
he can inflate his neck and push the air backwards for extra explosive action in the back
magy's super power: explosive diarrhea
fleet cobalt
anyways... I want to see mass and speed to be implemented so Pteras can grab 10 kg rocks and use them has bullets
real kraken
magy's super power: explosive diarrhea
@paper oriole Thats the dream
paper oriole
pick up eggs and drop them on their parents
fleet cobalt
pick up eggs and drop them on their parents
@paper oriole at high diving speeds
fleet cobalt
yes! That's quetz job... Ptera will drop babas
real kraken
I like how in 2017 it was ready for release then it got scrapped...
paper oriole
i hope ptera can impale babies on tree branches like that one bird
real kraken
What bird???
paper oriole
one sec
fleet cobalt
shrike?
paper oriole
yeah that
real kraken
Demon bird!!!
fleet cobalt
why not make ptera able to pull other dinos from cliffsides like that other bird?
paper oriole
either ptera or herrera should impale corpses on branches or i will be big sad
real kraken
I would love for there to be rodent AI for the herra
paper oriole
lol just latch them and let go for a sec to knock them offbalance and watch them tumble down the slope/cliff
real kraken
yeah
fleet cobalt
lol just latch them and let go for a sec to knock them offbalance and watch them tumble down the slope/cliff
@paper oriole watch golden eagles pulling rams from cliffsides
paper oriole
think ive seen one of those vids
real kraken
Isnt that a russian bird?
real kraken
If so I think I've seen it
fleet cobalt
Golden Eagles are from the old persian countries... can't remember Mongolia I think
real kraken
ah right
paper oriole
tho tbf eagles have talons to hook onto targets and drag/knock them, ptera just has a beak
fleet cobalt
true dat
paper oriole
ptera would probably be more of a raven just bullying people for shits and giggles and eating their babies
fleet cobalt
its the ptero who has talons right?
real kraken
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.WF59Skqa5Rx67r1ZZ7mRggHaEK?w=316&h=185&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7
They're kind of talons
not really
fleet cobalt
that is much better than ptera already
real kraken
That's more of a fish eater
paper oriole
he could probably scratch you if he managed to kick you in the face with it or while a small animal is pinned, but i don't think he can bare weight with them
fleet cobalt
ptera after we finish fictionalizing
paper oriole
elder ptera leaked
real kraken
It doesnt mention picking up anything
It just says "Soar through the skies as one of the most majestic animals to inhabit the island. Whilst its fragile form is Pterable in a fight the Pteranodon is graced with the luxury of flight, allowing it to easily circumvent most threats. The Pteranodon's diet primarily consists of fish and scavenging from carcasses."
paper oriole
he's probably going to be stripping carcasses or inhaling fish, but hopefully he can carry baby hypsis and drop them to their doom
real kraken
That would be nice
paper oriole
hopefully meat scraps aren't all he is limited to
fleet cobalt
this! when?
paper oriole
if a baby hypsi lets a ptera see it, it deserves to get bodied
real kraken
Thats a whale with wings
paper oriole
lol that guy, an herbi flyer would be nice but idk about algae sucker here
pterod gameplay: suck swamp
fleet cobalt
Thats a whale with wings
@real kraken funny cause his comparable is a mouse xD
real kraken
😆
paper oriole
lowkey wish they'd take tupan and make him a fruit bat just for some faction shared diversity
lilac swallow
Everyone makes such a deal of filter feeding, they say "It Will just spam E on the water" and i mean, dont herbis literally do the same with bushes?
real kraken
I'd make an army of them
paper oriole
same tho i wish herbis got a flyer
fleet cobalt
this now!
lilac swallow
Tupan
paper oriole
yeah fruit bat tupan is something ive wanted for a while
tho people seem to want him as omni when he's brought up
lilac swallow
I dont care tbh
paper oriole
if they can make beipiao a swimmer they can make tupan a fruit bat
lilac swallow
Its diet is the last things i see when i say i want to play something
real kraken
Is beipaio a fish eater?
paper oriole
i want to be a flyer and hang out with herbi frens, more diversity in the neglected herbi faction might make it less underplayed
idk maybe, he was shown eating frogs
lilac swallow
Omnivore fish eater
paper oriole
in concept art
real kraken
oh
lilac swallow
Basically dryo cheuirus
fleet cobalt
@paper oriole what about Nyctosaurus?
lilac swallow
I think nycto was a Fisher?
real kraken
What in the flying fuck is that??
lilac swallow
Could be wrong
real kraken
paper oriole
nycto looks like a piscivore/scavenger similar to ptera if i judge him purely on appearance
lilac swallow
What in the flying fuck is that??
@real kraken a flying fuck
real kraken
lol
fleet cobalt
paper oriole
he'd pretty much half pint ptera
fleet cobalt
he was not a fisher that's clear... we don't know what's the use of those bones on the head... but he had something there
paper oriole
idk how big nycta is exactly but i recall him bein a teeny guy
fleet cobalt
idk how big nycta is exactly but i recall him bein a teeny guy
@paper oriole yep, half a person
real kraken
paper oriole
tupan is a decent size, and it would be neat to see him monching fruit off trees and hanging out on the backs of large grazers (yeah i know prehistoric wildlife, gross)
real kraken
Have any of you played BOB?
lilac swallow
No
fleet cobalt
agreed
real kraken
Thinking of getting it, it looks better than both versions of the isle currently :/
lilac swallow
Bob is much more PvP focused than isle
storm vigil
I have played it but it is quite ugly. The gameplay is fun. I would vastly prefer Legacy Isle, but since that’s broken now, I guess there’s the alternative
real kraken
I have played it but it is quite ugly. The gameplay is fun. I would vastly prefer Legacy Isle, but since that’s broken now, I guess there’s the alternative
@storm vigil Yeah, I lost my giga due to lag on there. I think they're making it worse to get people on evrima
storm vigil
I think Amarok is genuinely trying to fix it, but it’s a very buggy game to work with, and it’s far worse now than it was with the hackers and hypos. Half the apex herbivores still have hitbox problems. Animations are broken. Day/night is de-synced. Admins can’t change the time for tournaments/events. It’s just gutted. I’m heartbroken.
real kraken
@storm vigil I remember the time of weekly updates and when custom skins were added, good times lol
I would rather they leave legacy and just pump out content for evrima
storm vigil
I just wish they had left it alone. My friends and I used to play every night, and now we can’t.
real kraken
yeah :/
storm vigil
Yeah. We were so excited about playable dryos. I would give up dryos in a heartbeat if it meant the game was back to the way it was. Theri can’t hit, shant can’t hit.... no announcements or acknowledgement. He’s doing it on his own time, so I feel for him. It’s just... a lot is broken. And dead silence from the devs
fleet cobalt
Oh yeah... Not after first update tho, it was these last ones that fucked hitboxes
I killed a Rex with Shant just after first update, after second I couldn't land a single stomp on a Spoon
storm vigil
Hitting Rex isn’t the problem. Shant can’t hit anything that is Utah size or smaller.
Either way. Broken. 😢
barren zephyr
I really like some of the legacy animations, I do hope some make a return in evrima.
ashen elm
Me 2! But erm, the actual suggestions go in the one called feedback.
The feedback discussion channel is for people wanting to talk about the ideas proposed or feedback from the primary channel. 
spare lion
ah okay, I'll just move this over there then c: thanks!
tawdry smelt
@ashen elm ahhh okay. thanks
ashen elm
np
barren zephyr
I did post my suggestion in feedback, just said something similar here because why not
frigid cosmos
me wehn day night cycle XDDDDD
ashen wasp
Dryo's method of escape as of now basically amounts to "run, juke, and hide". its green coloration also puts it at an advantage in dense jungles, and a comparatively short growth time is a boon, but sure, i could see it affording to be faster. Honestly, im going to be more concerned about Hypsilophodon, but again, it's basically hiding simply standing in a grassy field, and it'll have no growth to start off with, so it's at little risk
lilac swallow
Dryo simply cant run faster
Its legs are moving as fast as they can without just simply disapearing
paper geyser
i also think having dodge is enough, making it faster than utah is simply unfair
lilac swallow
Run speed is inversely proporcional to weight and directly proportional to size
Small animals simply dont have enought leg length
While heavy animals are way to heavy to move fast
Utah sized animals are in the perfect spot, they are Big and light enought
ashen wasp
it does seem to be in a fine place rn, speed-wise. wish it had gotten burrowing instead of its weird side-dodge, though. the former seems a better defense against predators that can both outrun and outmuscle it
lilac swallow
Burrow just get camped
ashen wasp
true true
but with reliable AI i could see camping burrows being less rewarding than abandoning hunts
sick crescent
@barren zephyr Don't see any reason why Stego wouldn't be giving fractures
barren zephyr
HOW MANY CHANNELS ARE YOU ON
paper geyser
i guess because it'll be hard to hit the bone dead on
sick crescent
After a talk with bork being bork, I got in a conversation about how Stego giving fractures is fine
Why? It's an apex tier animal
Stego gonna hurt, and be breaking some legs
im thinking on an internal bleeding suggestion myself
barren zephyr
I was gonna also say Kentro and trike, but they mostly go for the flesh (trike) or the head (kentro)
strange wave
hmm?
barren zephyr
Although dont forget about the absolutely logical hitbox system I recommended for fractures
sick crescent
I love how you can counter its unbalanced with
Stego is an apex animal
It was like wow I never thought of this
barren zephyr
Tries to make sense of azures sentence 
OHHHHH I get it now
Yeah dem stego haters are gonna have a rough time
sick crescent
Ill reword it
After people were memeing Bork, I got in a conversation how Stego also giving fractures is completely fine..... cause its an Apex and is slow as balls
barren zephyr
ANYONE WONDER WHAT KENTROS SOUNDS ARE GONNA BE LIKE
honest sparrow
They gonna sound like kentro sounds
barren zephyr
I'm hoping their like the one from jpog, but more polished and longer
strange wave
After people were memeing Bork, I got in a conversation how Stego also giving fractures is completely fine..... cause its an Apex and is slow as balls
ok, now explain wtf people were saying
honest sparrow
Zuul
barren zephyr
Bork were talking about how stego getting the fracture ability balanced wise is fine
strange wave
ok, yeah, thats completely fine, its an apex
honest sparrow
Still waiting for my kentro side check tail wallop combo
sick crescent
Kentro giving fractures to anything it cant one shot big nono
barren zephyr
tries to make sense of that 
honest sparrow
Why would it give fractures
sick crescent
side check and tail swipe, snappy
barren zephyr
Pteras text not azures
sick crescent
A combo
barren zephyr
I still cannot see it, I can only see it pulling a muscle doing that
honest sparrow
The isle
sick crescent
Yknow combo attacks
barren zephyr
No cause not even tenonto has em
honest sparrow
Kinda like a tenonto if it were to tail slam then kick
barren zephyr
Well I mean I know combo attacks, but not isle version
sick crescent
you mean kick then tail slam
honest sparrow
Yeah
honest sparrow
I was still under the impression that tail would eventually stun
sick crescent
it will in update 2
barren zephyr
I can see sucho/bary claw and bite combos but not thos
sick crescent
dont expect it to do anything besides make killing legacy players coming in evrima more fun
Gonna be a not so fun time when people find out a tactic that kills stego 1v1 with utah
barren zephyr
Also anyone realise unless your in a jungle, you cannot do anything successfully to a utah while your a baby tenonto, out turn it impossible, out run it, HA, run to the jungle, hope you like dying first.
I have an immediate urge to listen to five nights at freddy's music help
... DID YALL SWITCH ON ME?
still raptor
Just dont listen to it.
valid zephyr
ashen elm
I would like to see Pue return but there is a tiny problem with the suggestion...
If it's a reskin the hitboxes might be a bit... wack. Unless they fictionalize Pue a bit to be more Brachiosaurid instead of Lognkosaur (Pue's family of sauropods). Pue is shorter than Brachi and has a longer tail. So as long as we don't get invisible tail boxes then we should be good.
valid zephyr
i mean isle has done some crazy level fictionalisation, so having a slightly shorter/longer tail is fine.
would be more the same base model and different soft tissue/features
ashen elm
True, they could definitely still do it.
though i would appreciate more accurate Pue so if there was anyway to avoid it while keeping the hitboxes mirroring the models...
valid zephyr
if ark can somehow manage it with bronto and brachi....
pue and brachi seems easy by comparison.
ashen elm
ARK 🤮
lol but yea it should be possible, just require a bit of model adjustments
valid zephyr
bonus points if they count as the same animal still and can nest.
seamless 50/50 brachi and pue
call it a 'puechi'
ashen elm
lol I don't know about that one...
valid zephyr
i mean technically it's still the same animal. just a reskin like changing your colours
or picking feathered utah
ashen elm
But it's like an Allo having kids with a Cera. They are pretty far apart genetically speaking even if they are both sauropods...
inb4 we get JW hybrids of all the dinosaurs
valid zephyr
in game they're just a reskin though
the suggestion was just add pue as a reskin rather than having an entire seperate pue animal
(also the puechi part is a joke)
ashen elm
I'm aware it's just kinda weird to think about since they are separate species. Then again I wouldn't want people with the reskin to never nest either.
But it's an interesting questions, since clone animal skins don't just apply to these two so I'm not sure how they'll be handling this. 
silver zephyr
"and the fact that you want to overhaul every creatures design with a new concept" 
every?
"the overly vibrant green map and how that map has next to no mountains or any interesting aspects" rushed map and no mapper atm moment
i do agree about the lacking anims tho
paper geyser
agreed with animations too
ashen wasp
automatic teller machine moment
silver zephyr
🤬
ashen wasp
but yeah, Evrima honestly looks fine for now-- definitely more "tropical island" feel, but that's what theyre going for. a handful of concepts look iffy, but just as many look great!! and not every animal is getting redesigned-- only those that need to be brought in line with the level of quality of the rest of the roster
silver zephyr
its not even that bad. its like 4 concepts (anky, austro, acro, and alberto) out of like the huge roster we have
frigid cosmos
silver zephyr
perish
flat ridge
there was also spino re-hauled (which i liked spino), aswell as hypo rex (which i kinda didn't like), it was an exaggeration but still, evrima looks kinda trash
silver zephyr
I mean visually thats cause they don't have any lighting or whatever such as truesky
they waiting on ue 4.26
flat ridge
i'm hoping the shading and lighting will end up being as good as it used to be
here, i thought it looked really nice
silver zephyr
its gonna be better than that. look up ue 4.26
flat ridge
yeah hopefully, the isle looks pretty shit but i guess it's bc it's in early stages
the anims hopefully will be better too, this was never an issue in the past- i dont understand why when a dinosaur broadcasts it has to throw it's entire body into the air, it can just lift it's head a bit lol
i guess old giga was an example of the problem though, since it threw it's head in every direction possible
silver zephyr
Which broadcast? the carno one?
ashen wasp
yeah, as far as new designs go, theyre p hit or miss-- i really like what hits, though. Kentro, Homalo, Hypsi, Ovi, Proto, Stego, Tenonto, heck-- even Herrera and Troodon look sweet
flat ridge
ithought herrera looked okay, not sure whats up with the neck thing but i still like it
ashen wasp
the dewlap?? s'for display
flat ridge
ovi was okay too, i don't like the extra chest feathering
acro and alberto could've definitely been better
i thought the new giga was really cool, along with spino
those two are really the only ones that caught my attention aside from the teno when it was first introduced
i think tapwing does the most justice for concepts
ashen wasp
oh, yeah, the Giga's not bad either-- Theri's concept looks good as well
not sure i like that suggestion about needing to stay active to regain energy
sounds counterintuitive
frigid cosmos
i saw that
molten tulip
I'm wondering that the animations right now are being rushed just so they can get the update out (dinos are unplayable without animations, and everyone gets mad every day the update isn't out) and they'll revise and update them later
Or if the animations would be improved with ik and blending and they just look floaty when they're rendered in the gray void with only one system
frigid cosmos
the lag on legacy now its getting a bit unplayable ngl, before the updates i got average 100-120 fps and now i get average 10-20 fps
tbh if they just fixed that it would be fine
molten tulip
Have you checked your graphics settings
Mine got reset and when I changed them it ran better
frigid cosmos
iv never changed them
brave rampart
I'm wondering that the animations right now are being rushed just so they can get the update out (dinos are unplayable without animations, and everyone gets mad every day the update isn't out) and they'll revise and update them later
@molten tulip
molten tulip
Oh cool
barren zephyr
I wish they brought back or at least took inspiration from the legacy anims.
They're still good, and could definitely still be used.
mellow sphinx
Dryo shouldn’t be faster than Utah because then Utah cannot catch it, besides it’s easy asf to escape from a Utah if you go into a forest and use your dodge well
real kraken
Dryo shouldn’t be faster than Utah because then Utah cannot catch it, besides it’s easy asf to escape from a Utah if you go into a forest and use your dodge well
@mellow sphinx True, I've never been killed by a Utah but it still seems like the Dryo should be the type of dino where if you want to kill it you NEED to pounce it.
mental sleet
@prime grove there is already a system in the game for this, and an additional one will eventually show up. Locational Damage and Trample respectively.
paper oriole
What rexes are dying to velociraptors
real kraken
Shite ones
paper oriole
If it actually happens then those people have no business playing rex anyway
real kraken
My question is how did they get to rex in the first place??
edgy hamlet
Damn this suggestion confused me so much lol
ashen wasp
agreed that all the maniraptorans and ornithomimids should get feathered versions
fleet cobalt
Feathered Rex when?
valid zephyr
eww feathered rex.
paper geyser
feathered rex no
strange wave
@fleet cobalt while it should probably stun them, carno isnt knocking over an allo thats twice its size, thats just insane, the knockdowns should be for things smaller than it, stuns for other carnos and nothing further
strange wave
carno isnt a car
allo is most certainly not a car to carno
allo is a concrete wall to carno
fleet cobalt
Allo is 2t, or 2,5t that is not much more than Carno and Rams can knock much bigger things than them.
I'd say Carno is a car when u consider he runs at 52kmph lol
strange wave
based on what? we havent gotten carno speed
lilac swallow
Maybe if allo was quadrpedal
fleet cobalt
am basing it on the estimative for the Real carno and the Legacy speed, but Evrima is actually giving speed boost to dinos, so he will be even faster
lilac swallow
But allo's contact surface with the ground is tiny, you don't need another allo to knockdown an allo
fleet cobalt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fleet cobalt
I don't see carno knocking down a maia
unborn quail
Your throwing out these forces as if the animal applying them is actually able to handle the impact of its own 1800kg weight colliding with another 2700kg theropod
fleet cobalt
I see a Carno knockend down a Pachy from the side tho, same as Pachy knocking most bipedal dinos at side
lilac swallow
I'm at least, talking in the hypothetical case in which carno doesn't care about crushing its own skull
fleet cobalt
Your throwing out these forces as if the animal applying them is actually able to handle the impact of its own 1800kg weight colliding with another 2700kg theropod
@unborn quail that was just calculation of maximum potential force loool and it doesnt consider soft tissue that absorbs the impact
remember one thing, not all materials react the same way to impact, some will give away and lessen the impact felt
unborn quail
Again, no amount of soft tissue is going to handle that amount of force. It would literally implode on itself
fleet cobalt
some will snap and offer even less resistance
unborn quail
There's no reason for its charge to impact anything larger than itself outside of a stagger, which is reasonable. It's a small game hunter afterall.
fleet cobalt
"let's put in this invisible wall because players can't go outside this area and it makes sense for them not to leave"
You wouldn't need much to knock an Allo out of his feet for example
unborn quail
again, your missing the overlaying point, there's no reason mechanically speaking for Carnotaurus to do anything more than stagger an animal larger than its own mass.
The point of its charge is geared towards small game.
fleet cobalt
I thought the charge was a main mechanic for Carnotaurus combat, but seems like it's just a shallow mechanic with little to no real use seeing most small dinosaurs live in tree filled jungles lol
all am doing is trying to transform a shallow mechanic in to a flushed out one that can have a wider use and really change one dinosaur gameplay transforming it into a complete unique experience.
unborn quail
And allowing it to at least stagger larger animals isn't expanding its use?
fleet cobalt
but all I see ever since I gave my first suggestion is people wanting the same boring gameplay for all dinosaurs with only a small change here and there to say it's "Unique" while it actually ain't
unborn quail
You have to remember there is a since of balance with this
fleet cobalt
And allowing it to at least stagger larger animals isn't expanding its use?
@unborn quail not really because then it's use is completely denied since you will also stagger your Carno by ramming it, which gives you no benefit at all
unborn quail
Carnotaurus being able to knock over larger theropods whom can't outrun it seems fine and definitely not against it's intended role
fleet cobalt
You have to remember there is a since of balance with this
@unborn quail how does a mechanic that need very specific circumstances toi happen breaking balance?
Carnotaurus being able to knock over larger theropods whom can't outrun it seems fine and definitely not against it's intended role
@unborn quail am talking about knocking down imobile or charging enemies, mostly from the side... Not about running animals
I never once stated it to be able to knock down while chasing an Allosaurus for example, because the impact would be far too weak for it to happen
unborn quail
And what are these animals going to be doing against Carno 99% of the time? Especially other carnivores
vast wolf
only way i see carno knocking allo or alberto over is if its running at max speed and gets a perfect hit on there side but it basically stunning them or making it flinch is much better.
unborn quail
Standing and fighting, running is futile, it's idiotic against something much faster than you unless your able to reliably escape it due to a smaller size/better mobility
fleet cobalt
only way i see carno knocking allo or alberto over is if its running at max speed and gets a perfect hit on there side but it basically stunning them or making it flinch is much better.
@vast wolf this is what I consider by the mechanic
vast wolf
it does seem like a nightmare to ballance.
fleet cobalt
so the Carno would need to actually ambush the other animal to be able to knock it down, am not saying it to be knocked down by a front charge or rear charge
unborn quail
Just let it stagger them, It accomplishes the same thing without being insanely abusable by forcing an animal to reapt a dragged you stand up animation
vast wolf
yeah staggering is much better for balance.
unborn quail
It's meant to be a small game hunter, It's mechanic is specifically meant for that.
fleet cobalt
it does seem like a nightmare to ballance.
@vast wolf not really, because am ability with such specific circumstances is hardly unbalanced
unborn quail
You can expand it by letting it stagger large animals, a knockdown is unnecessary
Or hell
Let two carnos be able to knockdown a larger animal after its been staggered
It's already been thrown off balance, it just requires another Carnotaurus
fleet cobalt
Let two carnos be able to knockdown a larger animal after its been staggered
@unborn quail that one is a hell to code tho
unborn quail
How
silver zephyr
eh
vast wolf
codeing that is really not that bad
unborn quail
When an animal is staggered, allow it to be knocked down by another charge impact. Easy.
silver zephyr
its basically: 1. carno charges setting the larger dino into a "staggered" state 2. another carno can ram it during this state to knock it down
fleet cobalt
codeing that is really not that bad
@vast wolf the only way to make it easy to code is by having a base code that already accounts for motion and mass impact
its basically: 1. carno charges setting the larger dino into a "staggered" state 2. another carno can ram it during this state to knock it down
@silver zephyr can work like that, true... well
vast wolf
if staggered is true and player A staggers player B after player B is already staggered it causes a knockdown.
unborn quail
Ez
fleet cobalt
but I'd say that to be used against quadrupede animals, not bipedal
unborn quail
any animal
if the size warrants it
keep in mind its the only animal in the size range that can pick the fights it participates in at will
fleet cobalt
Doctor Nova, should all midtiers react the same way to the charge?
because I'd say I prefer each diferent dinosaur to have a diferent reaction/impact
vast wolf
carno is much less adapted to hunting large prey compared to the other mid tiers
fleet cobalt
carno is much less adapted to hunting large prey compared to the other mid tiers
@vast wolf by raw force, I agree completely...
unborn quail
Allosaurus and Albertosaurus would react in a similar way due to being similar sizes to one another. Maiasaura on the otherhand would not doing to be more massive and a quadrupedal animal
Unique reactions are good and all, but similar animals will react a similar way
fleet cobalt
Bipedal as really poor balance to being hit from the side than a quadrupede
2 carnos charge could knock a Maia down, that I can see, it's logical to happen
unborn quail
Yes but the the two larger bipedal carnivores carnotaurus would use this on are forced to stand and fight it.
fleet cobalt
as it's logical a side hit on an Allosaurus to knock him
unborn quail
Carnotaurus ramming itself into a solid wall of muscle that is nearly a ton heavier than it won't be good for the animal
fleet cobalt
Yes but the the two larger bipedal carnivores carnotaurus would use this on are forced to stand and fight it.
@unborn quail they are, but they can do so as not letting the carno hit them on the side
Carnotaurus also is a solid wall of muscles, the difference is not that big
because weight is not linear, it's exponential
vast wolf
a tiger is not much heavier than a lion but they usually beat lions up easily
unborn quail
Your still talking about an animal ramming its entire body mass into a solid wall nearly a ton heavier than its own mass
barren zephyr
wouldn't it give itself a fuckin concussion if it ran full speed into a bigger dino
head first that is
fleet cobalt
wouldn't it give itself a fuckin concussion if it ran full speed into a bigger dino
@barren zephyr probably, but it would also kill any small Dino he would ran at full speed, so we call it game translation
unborn quail
Which is the point
barren zephyr
small dino is an obvious win
unborn quail
It's supposed to nuke small dinosaurs
strange wave
a tiger is not much heavier than a lion but they usually beat lions up easily
@vast wolf does a cheetah beat a lion in a 1v1 encounter?
barren zephyr
but why would a carno run head first into a bigger dino? it would injure itself
civic carbon
if carno ran into an allo it'd be hurting itself more then the allo lol
barren zephyr
yup
unborn quail
It's mechanic is not meant for larger animals, it has its speed to simply avoid that fight.
fleet cobalt
@vast wolf does a cheetah beat a lion in a 1v1 encounter?
@strange wave can beat, if it ambushes it, which is my entire point
vast wolf
cheetahs arent really comparable to lions or tigers.
unborn quail
A cheetah cannot biologically beat a healthy lion
civic carbon
lmao wut
barren zephyr
cheetahs arent as beefy like lions
unborn quail
Cheetahs run from them for a reason.
barren zephyr
doubt a cheetah would stand a chance against a fully grown lion
vast wolf
very different body builds
strange wave
the main pass time of cheetahs is getting their asses kicked by everything they live with
fleet cobalt
A cheetah cannot biologically beat a healthy lion
@unborn quail Cheetah ambushes Lion and bites him on the neck
barren zephyr
theyre more built for speed, where lions are brute force
civic carbon
except that never happens
unborn quail
Lion turns around and slaps the hell out of it
lament ermine
..No. That's not going to work
arctic nimbus
Lions eat cheetahs same way they eat gazelles. Not even 3 cheetahs kills a lion. But I agree with your feedback @fleet cobalt
vast wolf
i agree that carno should apply a flinch if it rams a similarly sized animal but it should not be able to knock one over under almost any circumstance.
fleet cobalt
Animals do not act like humans, on an Animal level they don't do what humans do
strange wave
@unborn quail Cheetah ambushes Lion and bites him on the neck
@fleet cobalt lion gets the cheetah off its back and thrashes it
civic carbon
yeah, they're smart
they dont needlessly run into shit they dont need to, i.e cheetah vs lion
fleet cobalt
^^^^^^
civic carbon
so
unborn quail
Carnotaurus should be capable of staggering animals its size and slightly larger, I'm all for that, it makes reasonable sense, I'd even say there's no real reason for it to stagger itself, but I alone don't make that call.
vast wolf
cheetahs tend to stick to smaller animals like gazelles but sometimes go after wildebeest and even rarer zebra.
unborn quail
But the animal and its mechanic is still meant for small game, that's its role.
fleet cobalt
Carnotaurus should be capable of staggering animals its size and slightly larger, I'm all for that, it makes reasonable sense, I'd even say there's no real reason for it to stagger itself, but I alone don't make that call.
@unborn quail If he doesn't get stagger stun I agree, if he gets stagger stun I disagree
because that makes the exact same draw backs my idea had, giving a stagger stun to carno and knocking down other dino
translating in the same action advantage/disavantage
unborn quail
Only time I personally think Carno should stagger itself is when it rams an animal it cannot stagger
fleet cobalt
Only time I personally think Carno should stagger itself is when it rams an animal it cannot stagger
@unborn quail seems reasonable
but I think it would be more immersive to knock and get staggered
because of how impact works, but am all out to your idea because it has little difference when you consider them
and I think 2 carnos knocking down a Maia when working togheter seems reasonable aswell
or staggering it, I dunno... give me your thoughts
unborn quail
Which was my point on terms of Staggering and then knocking down.
It should be attacking these animals without atleast another person on its side
So its within reason either way
fleet cobalt
agreed
unborn quail
If we want to explore a straight knockdown, then it would make more sense for such a thing to be applied when the animal is in motion, not standing its ground
A carnotaurus running at full speed into a sprinting allosaurus would obviously cause the allo if not both of them to lose balance
fleet cobalt
If we want to explore a straight knockdown, then it would make more sense for such a thing to be applied when the animal is in motion, not standing its ground
@unborn quail yes, you see the idea I mentioned was when hitting it on the side and exclusively on the side near the hips
A carnotaurus running at full speed into a sprinting allosaurus would obviously cause the allo if not both of them to lose balance
@unborn quail I think Carno would have and advantage if being rushed at, he's more suited for direct impact than Allo
and that is actually scientifically proven, since the Carno skull has 3 pneumatic recess at the horns and the upper part of skull
civic carbon
...just because carno can run into smaller things does not mean it has an advantage against a charging allo lmao
fleet cobalt
Allo shouldn't straigth charge a full speed Carno and expect nothing to happen
civic carbon
why would you be running straight first into a carno, for 1
fleet cobalt
because people are dumb enough to do that? lol
civic carbon
that doesnt mean carno should instantly get an advantage cause people are dumb lol
if they're both running, yeah, both get staggered/knocked down
fleet cobalt
no... both of them get knocked down but Allo would take more damage
civic carbon
no?
if i run straight first into someone twice my size, im going to hurt myself more then the other person
fleet cobalt
you considering persons... if you try to headbutt a Ram u getting your head fucked up long before the Ram
that can also be considered for Pachy, being Pachy much more suitable for that
fleet cobalt
Allo and Pachy charges eachother, who gets the advantage?
civic carbon
allo because its larger
fleet cobalt
what about Pachy big strong head that was designed for charging? lol
civic carbon
what about allos hands that can just grab the damn thing
vast wolf
yeah, what about pachys head?
fleet cobalt
now you considering very different things, and Allo arms are not designed for grabbing
civic carbon
allo is a grappler lol
vast wolf
now you considering very different things, and Allo arms are not designed for grabbing
lmfao
allos arms were for grabbing.
unborn quail
allosaurus has proof of being use to grab smaller prey items
civic carbon
game aside, yeah, we have evidence it did
fleet cobalt
sorry, I put that in a wrong way, they are not designed to grab a moving target
civic carbon
what lol
fleet cobalt
they are not even strong enough for what you suggest @civic carbon
vast wolf
i think a 2.8 ton animals could grab a 600 kilogram one.
civic carbon
lmfao
unborn quail
Allo just shoves its entire mass into pachy and then hug it
civic carbon
it aint that hard
vast wolf
same idea as herera grabbing tacco.
fleet cobalt
oh my god.... what about both of them charging?
civic carbon
just cause pachy may be able to withstand shit does not mean its surviving head on against something triple its size
fleet cobalt
that was the whole scenario... Allo and Pachy charging eachother
vast wolf
yeah pachy should run from anything it can and break utah/carnos legs if not kill utah.
fleet cobalt
I don't even know how much weight does Pachy have in Evrima, can someone please give the Chart? cause am basing myself into real pachy weight
fleet cobalt
real weight 1t, allo 2t
civic carbon
allo is almost 3 tons lol
fleet cobalt
in the Isle, yes... He got buffed
unborn quail
Allosaurus ranges from 1800kg to 2700kg depending on specimen
vast wolf
yeah i can see pachy being 850 kilograms because of how much heavier utah dryo and tenonto are.
fleet cobalt
Utah is over 1T isn't it?
civic carbon
utah ingame is only 700
fleet cobalt
oh ok
civic carbon
irl its like 500kg or sumn
unborn quail
Either way an allosaurus is still going to be substantially heavier than a pachy in either case
fleet cobalt
Yep, agreed...
vast wolf
pachy has a better chance of running from an allo if it couldent get a clean shot at its leg to fracture it.
unborn quail
Why charge something you can run from
vast wolf
^
still rapids
fleet cobalt
I was just considering the Pachy head design completely forgot the weight ingame
unborn quail
same argument applies to carno and allo, Why does carno need the ability to actively contest an allosaurus in combat when its the only animal whom can choose that fight due to its speed
vast wolf
don stated that pachy vs carno is going to be interesting. you want to break its leg and run because if you dont run your going to get mauled.
unborn quail
It's speed is a free get out of jail card to pretty much any engagement
fleet cobalt
don stated that pachy vs carno is going to be interesting. you want to break its leg and run because if you dont run your going to get mauled.
@vast wolf I'd say if Pachy gets a weight buff to 700kg-800kg he could charge carno headon and win
unborn quail
It's what it trades compared to the other mid tiers 'brawling' capabilities. Fuckin Nyoom speed
fleet cobalt
because of the head structure
unborn quail
And no.
civic carbon
head structure dont mean shit when carno weighs a greatdeal more then it
unborn quail
Even a 800kg pachy is outweighed by carno via a ton
fleet cobalt
head structure dont mean shit when carno weighs a greatdeal more then it
@civic carbon that is resistance of materials, in a crash the material with less resistance will give away before the more resistant one
vast wolf
pouncing a pachy head on does not sound fun.
civic carbon
carno can trample pachy
vast wolf
i wouldent say trample i would say it would knock it down and destroy it.
fleet cobalt
Pachy win because his head is much more resistant than Carno, so Carno speed would actually play against and his weight aswell
fleet cobalt
you shouldn't be charging headon a Pachy to start with
unborn quail
Or or, use your better maneuverability to escape it or simply manage to charge it side on and snap the leg
fleet cobalt
hold on, lemme find a reference
civic carbon
thats how carno hunts my guy
icy lion
carno is wayyyyy taller than pachy
vast wolf
it shouldent really get 1 shot by it either it should be able to break its leg.
unborn quail
thats how carno hunts my guy
civic carbon
run at the thing and knock it over. thats how carno functions against its prey items
vast wolf
head first carno should get hurt and possibly a minor fracture with pachy being knocked over.
pachy should be at a disadvantage if carno is facing it but have te advantage from the side.
fleet cobalt
Ok... I think I know a way I can explain the difference of Carno and Pachy
imagine your average rock weight 1800kg being thrown against a 800kg iron chunk... Who will break?
unborn quail
small game specialists whom cant use its mechanic specifically meant to help it hunt small game can't use it on small game animal because cranal anatomythat was recently proven to not be capable of wistanding the forces of ramming means more than an over 1000kg weight difference
icy lion
the iron would dent dude
vast wolf
if pachy fractures carnos leg it should have a relitively free escape if carno knocks pachy down it should win.
fleet cobalt
small game specialists whom cant use its mechanic specifically meant to help it hunt small game can't use it on small game animal because cranal anatomy
that was recently proven to not be capable of wistanding the forces of rammingmeans more than an over 1000kg weight difference
@unborn quail funny... Because yesterday I posted a study of this year that proves differently lmao
vast wolf
it depends on positioning skill and environment.
unborn quail
Pachy will/is said to already be capable of breaking carnos leg, why does it also need to counter the animals charge when it can simply outmaneuver it easily
fleet cobalt
the iron would dent dude
@icy lion it would, but what would happen to the rock?
vast wolf
yeah legacy pachy vibes but not bad and can fight back if it has to.
icy lion
a chip at most
unborn quail
The rock would probably have a few small fragments break off but would stay solid
fleet cobalt
Pachy will/is said to already be capable of breaking carnos leg, why does it also need to counter the animals charge when it can simply outmaneuver it easily
@unborn quail diferente animals being diferent?
vast wolf
just run for the trees and turn to the side when it gets close.
fleet cobalt
The rock would probably have a few small fragments break off but would stay solid
@unborn quail at which speed?
icy lion
again carno is way too tall to care about a headbutting match
civic carbon
its just unnecessary lol
unborn quail
Different animal already being able to break the other animals leg and outmaneuver it isn't different?
fleet cobalt
not really, that's your normal gameplay for both Carno and Pachy
vast wolf
unborn quail
For how big pachy is compared to carno, That's astounding in of itself
tender latch
@barren zephyr BoB already has that tho :/
fleet cobalt
outmanuever and don't get outmanuevered, like it was in Legacy
unborn quail
and that's an issue why?
vast wolf
yeah pachys best bet vs anything larger than itself is to run if it cant it could break its leg.
unborn quail
^
fleet cobalt
yeah pachys best bet vs anything larger than itself is to run if it cant it could break its leg.
@vast wolf for anything larger than it, so it plays exact the same against all larger animals I assume
unborn quail
BB is something it lacks in legacy, so by this logic by it needing to be different it's already extremely different thanks to BB/Fractures
civic carbon
what
fleet cobalt
while what I want is to have some variation from animal to animal
silver zephyr
just tail as far as we know for teno
vast wolf
its an effective stratage. run form anything that you cant fight and fight hat you cant run from except carno which is still a run if you can scenario.
fleet cobalt
its an effective stratage. run form anything that you cant fight and fight hat you cant run from except carno which is still a run if you can scenario.
@vast wolf but since Pachy is way more suited for charging attacks with his head, for it being way harder... A headon charge between the two would give the pachy an advantage
vast wolf
it wouldent
fleet cobalt
meaning he was now another strategy, and meaning the Pachys are not = all other smaller prey
vast wolf
pachy would go flying and carno might get a few fractured ribs.
fleet cobalt
it wouldent
@vast wolf it would completely destroy the carno head if we were going for realism
vast wolf
it cant reach carnos skull
civic carbon
just because it runs does not make it the same as every other animal
fleet cobalt
CARNO IS CHARGING
icy lion
you underestimate how tall carno is
strange wave
@vast wolf it would completely destroy the carno head if we were going for realism
@fleet cobalt carno would probably die, and the pachys neck would be snapped backwards
fleet cobalt
@fleet cobalt carno would probably die, and the pachys neck would be snapped backwards
@strange wave uhmmm if we consider the bone anatomy of the necks, yep.... but this a game?
icy lion
says the guy who wants pachy to 1shot a carno
vast wolf
^
icy lion
balance wise its horrible
vast wolf
pachy needs to either out manuver carno then loose it in the trees or break its leg and gtfo.
civic carbon
you want it to severely hurt the carno
fleet cobalt
you want it to severely hurt the carno
@civic carbon not so much, but decent damage yep
civic carbon
because you want it to be different
even though pachy is already decently different from everything else
running from something does not make it the same
if that were the case, everything is the same cause they all run from apexes.
vast wolf
im sorry but an animal about 3x your weight is going to destroy you in a fight.
fleet cobalt
how does carno hunt anything small than it? "charge"
vast wolf
unless your a porcupine.
fleet cobalt
how does carno hunt anything smaller or bigger than it on my view? "Depends on the dinosaur"
vast wolf
carno knocks things over then turns around to kill them.
lament ermine
Yeah, cause it's.. Effective to charge something?
civic carbon
or just, get a friend and stagger things
fleet cobalt
Yeah, cause it's.. Effective to charge something?
@lament ermine Pachy ain't?
vast wolf
carno is going to be the apex on land in the first few updates.
civic carbon
like yeah, you dont always need to hunt small things as carno, but, you shouldnt be hunting allos alone as a carno lol
fleet cobalt
Agreed completely
civic carbon
so,
fleet cobalt
So that means you didn't read my suggestion
vast wolf
carnos largest prey should really be tenonto magy diablo and kentro if it can avoid getting impaled.
civic carbon
"It just makes sense for the Carno to knock midtiers down, not so much about anything bigger than that"
strange wave
diablo is weird
vast wolf
even then its much safer and easier to take out the animals 1/3 of your weight or smaller.
strange wave
diablo is a weird thing
fleet cobalt
"It just makes sense for the Carno to knock midtiers down, not so much about anything bigger than that"
@civic carbon "2) The Carno has more than enough momentum to do so, even if it means he get injuried or stunned by the impact himself, but clearly it would be less than the animal that got knocked down."
vast wolf
diablo is ava wut with a worse crest and strange horns.
fleet cobalt
that doesn't mean he can solo hunt Allos
unborn quail
Yes, lets allow an animal that can literally pick any fight it wants to have an easy way to counter anything that can otherwise overpower it. Oh wait, it has speed for that already
civic carbon
why would it be less then the allo
ashen elm
Make Carno be able to stun a mid-tier, but it does recoil and it dies
vast wolf
diablo has better horns ava has a better crest.
strange wave
diablo is ava wut with a worse crest and strange horns.
@vast wolf dibble is larger, and has 4 horns of, if you are infront of my face you die