They're a bit too mammalian.
#general-feedback-discussion
dapper pulsar
valid zephyr
they're done by docjay
crude girder
A Kaiju battle would have to include a strain sauropod
dapper pulsar
Or just like
valid zephyr
trike and rex is the 'classic' duo imo
dapper pulsar
A regular Sauropod
vast wolf
trike with anky armor and massive horns.
ashen wasp
yeah honestly Minmi's armor looks great
vast wolf
minmi looks great period.
ashen wasp
why couldn't they just. do it again. but bigger
vast wolf
one of the nicer new models.
dapper pulsar
Minmi is great period.
barren zephyr
Ok back from restroom, and cooking pizza for my fam
Anyways we talking bout minmi?
...
dapper pulsar
Yes.
barren zephyr
Okie dokie, my 6th favorite dino anyways
dapper pulsar
Name the other 5.
vast wolf
minmi, destroyer of smalls.
dapper pulsar
Cannibals will slaughter Minmis
barren zephyr
Sadly since its smaller than a hooman its 1ST TIER
vast wolf
minmi being 3x a humans weight moment.
barren zephyr
WHEEZE 
dapper pulsar
Minmi should give bleed
glossy matrix
why
vast wolf
crude girder
sharp beak?
dapper pulsar
Why not
barren zephyr
Oh if its same weight as Austro than its attack sucks 
dapper pulsar
He gets it.
vast wolf
Minmi should give bleed
fractures on its bite.
glossy matrix
minmi should have bone break on things smaller than it when it bites
like an amped-up snapping turtle
crude girder
why not both?
glossy matrix
both is cringe
dapper pulsar
Every dino should have an instant kill spot right where minmi can bite it.
vast wolf
yeah minmi should be able to break austros leg with a bite.
crude girder
I'm sure most carnivores will have both fracture and bleed
makes sense every attack that can bleed would also deal some amount of fracture as well
barren zephyr
GASP how bout in roles up into a ball causing trample damage into things it hits
vast wolf
I'm sure most carnivores will have both fracture and bleed
you mean only rex.
barren zephyr
It not in
dapper pulsar
I keep forgetting Megalania and Titanoboa are both confirmed
crude girder
Why would an allosaurus not be able to break a gallis legs?
dapper pulsar
Why would an Allo ever get the opportunity to
barren zephyr
It would 1shot it first of all
vast wolf
Why would an allosaurus not be able to break a gallis legs?
because it would kill it in 1 hit anyway.
crude girder
Okay but you get what I mean
vast wolf
and allo didnt have a bite strong enough to snap bone.
barren zephyr
Anyone thinks my idea is decent?
dapper pulsar
Anything an allo can break the leg of, it can't reach the leg of
vast wolf
yes armadillo minmi.
barren zephyr
Minmi go brrrrrrr
dapper pulsar
Pinball maps.
vast wolf
pillbug.
dapper pulsar
Minmi should make horrifying shrieks.
barren zephyr
Wow I'm surprised that a smaller version of anky would get so many fans
dapper pulsar
It's the best Ankylosaur in the game.
vast wolf
minmi should honk like anky but not anky.
dapper pulsar
Soon to be in the game.
Will be in the game.
We've been told will be in the game.
vast wolf
semi aquatic herbivores and burrowers are all fun for me. not to mention duck and cover stuff.
barren zephyr
Yeah like just imagine it crashing into a utah, and then minmi turns its head going HONK HONK B#####
ashen elm
Because Minmi actually looks like what it's supposed to be
a bit still fictionalized
vast wolf
minmi looks the same as kunbarrosaurus which is basically a super complete minmi with a different name.
barren zephyr
Everything evrima fans want everything but rex
vast wolf
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
Minmi is perfect.
barren zephyr
Actually minmi was also quite fast, since its legs were longer.
dapper pulsar
Bei is also perfect.
vast wolf
yeah minmis legs were really long for an ankylosaur.
ashen elm
Beipi is more fictionalized but it's fine
because we have no ingrained image of it
barren zephyr
Minmi go BRRRRRRR
vast wolf
the duck and cover makes me love it all the more.
ashen elm
besides pronated hands you mean
barren zephyr
I think I first saw bepis on a dino docu? It was a weird tree climber eating bugs?
vast wolf
ashen elm
Plus we have no evidence for semi-aquatic adaptations but to be fair that is hard to tell on fossils
Unless it's super obvious like Spino
vast wolf
unless we get something like spino.
outer condor
Wtf why doesn't it walk on four toes 🤬🤬🤬🤬
ashen elm
barren zephyr
Cause the devs dont know how to make a quad spino look good :/
barren zephyr
Why not we talk about backlogged animals, yes Apato too
ashen elm
I mean I would talk about Bronto/Apato but I would annoy 99% of people I would talk to about it
ashen elm
Also yes that Spino 
barren zephyr
No I love the backlogged species
vast wolf
it seems almost everyone wants that spino as an option to pick with the current model being the apex like animal.
plateos model was ugly af.
ashen elm
I'll probably talk about Apato/Bronto more once apexes start getting in
Because that's when it matters more to getting it in 
vast wolf
brontos model was pretty good.
ashen wasp
Plateo could be beautiful...... please..... please....
ashen elm
Yea Plateo needs a rework
just as long its not like current ones...
barren zephyr
Heres the basic definition: Styraco= best bleed dino, Apato= I'll pick a fight when I want too using moi neck spikes, Plateo= I run fast and I would most likely work as a iguano mostly
dapper pulsar
Minmi>Plateo
ashen elm
They could probably do more with Plateo than Maia tbh 
dapper pulsar
Bei>Muttaburra
barren zephyr
BRACHI> Rex
ashen elm
i mean yes but
rex fanboys
vast wolf
sullen cave
inb4 they make plateo an okapi
ashen elm
magy niche
barren zephyr
Yes chasmo
glossy matrix
ew
that plateo is ugly af
vast wolf
amargosaurus
dapper pulsar
The Tribal animal of choice
ashen elm
Plateo needs to get beefed up more ala PK. The model is a stick
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric-kingdom/images/d/da/Plateosaurus_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200630193745
barren zephyr
Would anyone be happy with Bajadosaurus?
dapper pulsar
absolutely.
ashen elm
I wouldn't mind Bajada, it would've worked better than Magy
barren zephyr
Yes bronto we all know PK is the best dino game to come
dapper pulsar
Y'all know how they have mammoth skulls in concept art for tribal things?
barren zephyr
I mean I'll buy everything PK will offer yeah
glossy matrix
PK's Plateo is really fucking cool
silver zephyr
did i hear something about theri and 4 toes
ashen elm
Most of PKs model look gorgeous
They've beaten TI tbh
barren zephyr
PK's plateo looks like it could kick utahs ass
outer condor
did i hear something about theri and 4 toes
barren zephyr
Also mirror yes, but mammoth is not even official
ashen elm
Especially if they go for a tropical island it'd be hard to include a Mammoth
Unless its something like the Colombian hairless species
barren zephyr
Hopefully PK's Hadros literally kick ass
glossy matrix
Yes
A lot of Isle's models are ugly
barren zephyr
Afk ima check the pizza
glossy matrix
But PK has like, one model that i don't like
And that's the Coelophysis
which is fair since Coelo is the oldest model still in use
ashen elm
They are doing new Miragaia 
glossy matrix
mhm
dapper pulsar
Aw
glossy matrix
and Dilo
dapper pulsar
Damn
ashen elm
And Spino probably
glossy matrix
Spino is confirmed post EA
dapper pulsar
That means that they could add Mammoths
glossy matrix
they said it a lot on their discord server
dapper pulsar
Or well, means that there's a fair chance.
ashen elm
TI could but if they barely feel comfortable adding large sauropods, how they gonna do mammoths though they are usually smaller
dapper pulsar
Bait.
vast wolf
that plateo has a proper amount of muscle and its legs are the right size.
instead of the dumb shrinkwrapped quadroped we got.
ashen elm
Yea old Plateo model is confusing, as almost all the other one's are fine 
ashen elm
rip dead
ashen elm
Mira is cool but probably redundant with big Stego
I wouldn't mind it past 1.0 but not anytime soon
barren zephyr
Well those ppl who'll make a realistic reserve cough cough me, will wonder if it can stand up against it's natural ingame predator
ashen elm
Mira?
ashen elm
Mira can actually work fine in the ecosystem. It's pretty beefy and half of it's back is spines
It takes a bit of Stego, Kentro, and random sauropod basically
That said it doesn't really bring much new to the game
barren zephyr
Wait it sounds like your talking bout the isle, I was talking bout pk
ashen elm
Oh! Yes lol I was talking about TI lol
barren zephyr
Idk am bamboozled
ashen elm
In PK Mira should be fine as well. Same argument as TI
but that's a bit off-topic lol (though technically this entire channel kinda veered into that lol)
barren zephyr
Lel
Its just torvos more of a threat than allo in pk
Just hoping it's not procerato from jwe
ashen elm
Torvo is around 4 tons roughly if they use the big one
Mira is roughly around the same weight and covered in spines. It should be fine.
barren zephyr
We dunno
sick dirge
No they photosynthesize
barren zephyr
LEL
dapper pulsar
I don't believe you.
barren zephyr
No they use batteried
sick dirge
Plant merc when 
barren zephyr
Batteries
dapper pulsar
Oh my god dinos are gonna be hunted with guns
I was thinking Bei and Mercs could like chill out
barren zephyr
Merc will come WAAY in the future doe
barren zephyr
Either that or they'll balance em
Bei already has a model and mesh it might as well be in update 9
odd niche
where do i find a video about the hypsi spit on youtube??
dapper pulsar
/
barren zephyr
Feedback, not feedback discussion
dapper pulsar
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barren zephyr
Scroll up if needed
frigid cosmos
nycta
lime gulch
guess I shouldve put it in troubleshooting- not feedback
thorny lynx
It's nice to see the immediate support on my post. I understand it seems harsh at first. However, we cannot ignore how proportionally incorrect some of these dinosaurs are.
Anky has long legs and a huge head, Acro has a short neck, Alberto has a dip in its skull, Austro had a straw neck and hyperextended skull, Theri still does not have four toes...
Honestly, Anky, Austro, and Giga just needed a touch up and Alberto needed to look less bulky. They did not need such a drastic overhaul.
I will miss dewlap giga.
silver zephyr
theri 3 toes 
mighty girder
Old giga model is still perfect in my mind
I HATE this new one
I get it needed touch ups because of rig issues but a complete redo was overkill
And it's not even an upgrade
thorny lynx
I get it needed touch ups because of rig issues but a complete redo was overkill
@mighty girder Absolutely.
mighty girder
Like, I don't really know or care about dinos much so accuracy is meh to me, but old giga looked like an apex. It looked amazing. I can't look at the new one without laughing.
Same with acro
I'm just happy Theri doesn't look dumb and now hoping they leave trike alone
silver zephyr
doesnt trike already have a model? unless they change it
sullen cave
trike has a model, thankfully, though they might change it
though probably not by much
thank goodness
My boi made it out alive
warm flame
@/GojiraGuy1954#0760 as much as I like the idea of eggs hatching into ai I disagree because someone could easily just abuse that and eat their ai children
sullen cave
that depends on how the nest system works
if it takes more food to grow an egg then an ai would return, then you can't farm it
though honestly, the idea of farming eggs for food sounds kind of cool, especially for dryos. You could make a dryo ant farm 
warm flame
true
lilac swallow
I mean, you can simply eat your player controlled children too
sullen cave
^
lilac swallow
And eggs may even cost hunger to develop
sullen cave
if a server is populated enough, player children are all but guaranteed
warm flame
true
sullen cave
I remember in the old days, when I was a spino player, my parents would farm people like that
warm flame
ouch
sullen cave
just invite people to be eggs, then let me eat them
lilac swallow
No matter how smart a baby player is, is not scaping its parents, literally imposible
rustic crown
wait i want to know if deinos spawn by water or spawn the same way everything else does because on land at a young age a baby deino would be useless
lilac swallow
It will have custom spawns closer to water
thorny lynx
I like my rexes fat.
glossy matrix
@thorny lynx That rex is cursed
lilac swallow
That's Rex is actually a rex
glossy matrix
no lol
lilac swallow
Yes lol
glossy matrix
that physically cannot exist
thorny lynx
warm flame
that rex is too fat
lilac swallow
The thing was a powerhouse
glossy matrix
that would fall over and crush itself like a beached whale
thorny lynx
She sure can. Look at that BELLY.
lilac swallow
2003
thorny lynx
That was before they discovered the ribs
warm flame
Sue still wasn't as fat as the 3d model
thorny lynx
warm flame
the real skeleton is skinnier ^
thorny lynx
See those belly ribs?
warm flame
slightly
ashen elm
Rex seems to have both "gracile" and "robust" morphs so that confuses the issue
glossy matrix
you care about semantics? ok then
thorny lynx
They called Gastralia.
thorny lynx
lilac swallow
If I remember correctly the robust one was the newer
ashen elm
I think so? I forget which myself lol
valid zephyr
@thorny lynx I remember the good old days when rex teeth was one of the worst offenses for animal looks.
Now it's that isn't even a dinosaur, it's something from monster hunter with a dino name glued to it.
thorny lynx
Rex still has missing and chipped teeth.
rustic crown
would be cool if the devs put out an estimated date of when the next updates come, but not a deadline they def don't need more of those
thorny lynx
I kind of understand why now. They may have affected weight painting.
paper oriole
i stan fat rex
rustic crown
fat rex for body positivity
valid zephyr
legit expecting mercs to have 5m tall swords and skimpy armour at this point to fight these animals.
warm flame
yea
but I was talking about the stomach
it's not fat af
ew on the chin it looks like its skin is being pulled back and those scales are under it
thorny lynx
She has a jaw parasite. Can someone give this good girl kisses?
warm flame
😔
thorny lynx
This is my favorite Rex. She looks perfect in proportions and skull shape.
Bigger angy brows and a nose didge would make a fantastic male model.
dapper pulsar
I prefer Saurian's "new" T-Rex but there's no denying seeing that statue in person would be a magical experience.
sullen cave
my favorite detail are the scutes
dapper pulsar
God it's pretty.
thorny lynx
Yes, the scutes are absolutely fantastic.
dapper pulsar
That's an easy S Tier, or God Tier Rex.
ashen elm
thorny lynx
If we had that Rex in the game, I would never complain again.
Of course, maybe give her that 'angy' look our Rex has, but otherwise, she would be perfect.
dapper pulsar
If that Rex was in The Isle I would accept every other animal.
That Rex is exceptional.
barren zephyr
@maiden anvil ava is quadraped not biped, if you wanted to edit your suggestion:)
paper oriole
chungus rex
dapper pulsar
getting better.
thorny lynx
It's. The same model we have now.
paper oriole
big boy
thorny lynx
Our Rex is so skinny what the hell.
paper oriole
yea ive always been a bit irritated by it
paper oriole
i want barrel rex
thorny lynx
Skull is kinda narrow though
paper oriole
that wide beast ambushing from the trees would be scarier than skinny rex
the g i r t h
thorny lynx
Lowkey still miss the old rex broadcast
paper oriole
new one sounds too out of breath lol
thorny lynx
Hhhhhhreeeeeerrrr
dapper pulsar
Chonk Rex is best Rex.
paper oriole
blurring hypsi's screen to aim the attack + having to spit multiple times to actually blind the predator seems like it would make it too weak
you will likely have a very small window of time to even spit at and blind an attacking predator before you're dead anyway, you shouldn't need to do it multiple times. it probably consumes thirst/hunger as well
for something so small and weak, the total blind for a couple seconds that we saw is fine
lol like 80% of the screen is still visible in that second one, you could 100% see where hypsi runs off with that, would render the spit useless
rain quiver
It was an example
But blotches imo are better then a complete black screen
paper oriole
some texture would be nice, but just some splotches would make it not worth using
rain quiver
Plus with the amount of foliage
Even with blotches I doubt carnis will have a good time finding something as small as hypsi
paper oriole
still makes the ability not worth the risk
with how tricky it'll probably be to use it while you're being attacked
rain quiver
The ability imo seems more preventative then in the moment with how exact the aim is
But that really depends on how it much AOE the spray has
barren zephyr
I still firmly believe we should use skeletal silhouettes to base the general body plan before we start modifying the creatures we add into the game altogether. If we had proper skeletal proportions, we would not have issues with Ankys having massive heads and acros with short necks and Austros with straws for necks and hyperextended beaks.
I completely agree, I've been saying this since forever. PLEASE give us accurate skeletons, PLEASE
my only wish. thank you people
rain quiver
You see Croak
You have made a grave mistake
as much as i agree with those statements
Pinging a dev is dangerous business
flint root
Mmm dev ping
barren zephyr
uhoh
knotty sparrow
Don’t ever ping a dev
paper oriole
maybe this hideous display would be better than the flat screen blind, though honestly the total screen coverage is nice as is imo as long as they add some sort of texture to it. the splotches can patch away as it fades and then the screen blur dissipates, over a few seconds while you wipe your face off
barren zephyr
^thats nice
paper oriole
sorta like the water hags in witcher where it looks like there is mud on your screen instead of a boring flat blind
barren zephyr
post it in feedback 😄
paper oriole
i shall
sand oar
There was an issue with the blind effect in the video, it will be dark green and blurry in-game.
paper oriole
yea i heard it will change to green, if it has some ooey gooey texture too that'd be nice
sand oar
its pretty much like your picture above
lofty pagoda
poggers dev ping
sand oar
strange wave
@glossy pollen damn shame that hypsi doesnt climb tree and just has a high jump
glossy pollen
If they don’t allow it to climb, perhaps it could jump up and then from branch to branch. Giving it the ability to climb would be good to allow herra to hunt in the trees and/or hang out until it can ambush something
strange wave
it can already jump and the trees have good collision so it can probably leap up the trees, get chased by a herrera, and fall to its death
glossy pollen
Cool
arctic nimbus
@limber whale Or you can just turn off global
molten tulip
Theyre working on turning off the global chat and turning alt turn back on
The new settings were a mistake
paper oriole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZn2Y9E6TtI
this for hypsi when
if he can find and pluck special ripe fruits other herbivores may be willing to keep him around, symbiotic relationship or whatever
rain quiver
How about no
barren zephyr
If somebody spited stomach acid that has evolved specially to blind predators into your eyes you wouldn’t see green watery stuff in your eyes. You’d see nothing, you’d be in terrible pain. A few green spots on the screen is not enough.
rain quiver
Lets give that to orodromeus
paper oriole
):
rain quiver
Lets not make hypsilophodon go down the route of troodon where it gets uneeded mechanics which would make other creatures not worse versions of bigger animals
lethal silo
its already been confirmed that the actual spit screen will be dark green and more of a blur
paper oriole
he only has one mechanic rn tho which is spitting on people
paper oriole
with troodon he already had two great advantages and they gave him something he had absolutely no need for
is hypsi the only one who will have charged jump though?
outer condor
paper oriole
because that seems like the kind of thing that would go across the board unless it's confirmed
if its just hypsi thats a bit weird but i guess it makes him unique
oro though is the 'mountain runner' i don't think he'd look good as a squirrel
rain quiver
I mean
Quite a few mechanics should go across the board
Like pounce for all dromeosaurs
But we know they arent getting it
strange wave
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/776276987089125397 before the carno broadcast flood appears
silver zephyr
lambent being a chad and posting it as like the second feedback so people cant miss it
😎
ashen wasp
Oh shit I just realized— Tapwing’s Carno concept could mean we’re getting art for all the returning playables
silver zephyr
indeed
ashen wasp
Gods, theyre so pretty to look at. I can’t wait
outer condor
Hopefully
vast wolf
bary concept when.
outer condor
Utah and dryo didn't get concept art
vast wolf
utah is boring and dryo was explained.
just because we havent seen it does not mean it doesn't exist.
outer condor
Yea hopefully we'll get concept art for returning dinos
vast wolf
some are more important to get concepts for than others. like trike and rex are less important because we more or less know what they will do and things like bary or ava are more important.
paper oriole
Any large bodied quadruped could be a trampler, and magy is smaller than some others who would also play that role. It doesn't seem unique at all
And the only way magy might be able to topple allo is if the allo exposes his broadside to the magy, which he can easily avoid doing unless magy is a god of maneuverability
warm flame
I want to see carno slap its sides happily when it 2 calls
wind turret
An excited arm waving would make me so happy
opaque warren
and i'm sure no more skins or variations are ever going to reach legacy
warm flame
yea
still raptor
That type of stuff is coming in update 8. It will be a massive overhaul.
Besides legacy used to have skin pattern variations.
barren zephyr
Delete that X on nectarivorous hypsi or you shall perish. @rain quiver
I give you three
rain quiver
I guess i will perish then
barren zephyr
rain quiver
For hypsi drinking necter is dumb
barren zephyr
ok
still raptor
That's a stupid idea.
rain quiver
You too
barren zephyr
Why stupid tho?
There’s already flowers in the game and hypsi is arboreal. It makes complete sense to be nectarivorous like almost all small arboreal animals are today.
Lemurs, bats, insects, monkeys, all of them enjoy nectar
And it’s a great way to force hypsi to migrate from zone to zone
molten tulip
I can see eating flowers giving small stat buffs tbh
But thats about it
Theyre not a major component of the game and there's currently no trees with flowers in them
barren zephyr
There are flowers do. Edible red giant flowers
There are at the south part of the map
still raptor
Ye by sucho and bary swamp
molten tulip
In trees?
still raptor
No
barren zephyr
Then what is so ‘stupid’ about it? I mean i get it if you don’t like it but
jovial sleet
I wouldn't mind hypsi eating nectar. People act like this don't exist in real life.
still raptor
I thought you meant small flowers. I completely forgot about the large flowers that are on the map.
Like the old legacy flower foliage ( the small ones)
barren zephyr
frail light
The Spinosaurus in Legacy is really laggy now
cunning condor
Remember legacy isnt being developed just maintained after the isle is out of early access they will most likely remove legacy entirely. It is possible that they will keep it however as some people like going back and reliving past memories.
Just saying this because a lot of people are requesting updates to legacy which wont happen
lethal silo
iirc they plan to keep legacy up as an option/showcase but thats about it
all focus is on evrima rn
ebon crypt
There was kinda still a problem with fixing legacy, that being that people are now getting an impression that they'll be working further on legacy. Obviously something needed to be done about those scummy servers that charge real money
gritty terrace
Yeah it fucking sucks that they are taking time out of the devs day to do that crap
lethal silo
☝️
barren zephyr
@gritty terrace the animation that carno does after getting its face covered in acid is not triggered by the vomit, it is triggered by a button you press
You can press the button voluntarily whenever you want to get the vomit out of your face
barren zephyr
That’s why in the video you see the dev changin from the hypsi to the carno
barren zephyr
(:
mellow sphinx
Magy was already said to have CC
lilac swallow
Still, is not ccing something 3x its size
last topaz
@distant osprey the new diet system will make players want to hunt players rather than AI, since they will get better stats
And your idea would have a negative side effect on herbivores, since they wouldn't be able to run away as effectively if they ate some bushes beforehand
mint dawn
Where's the ambience? Kinda weird to play without any nature sounds. Also the nighttime is way too long now. It's gamma user friendly.
paper geyser
@barren zephyr except fishers
no lips on fishers pls
lips on fishers are worse than no lips on others
limber whale
@limber whale Or you can just turn off global
@arctic nimbus its not the same lol
if u want global idk why u cant just go on a the big array of servers with global
molten tulip
Dinos with lips are better imo but asking a game to remodel all their dinos just to add lips to them is nitpicky
molten tulip
The hyper accurate dinosaur elitism is just as annoying as jurassic park clones
paper geyser
You’ve got a point
ebon crypt
Toggleable lips are fine. More customization options are almost always welcome
paper geyser
Agreed, I probably should’ve said that
ebon crypt
Forcing all of the players to play as only lipped dinos is like forcing everyone to play feathered dinos. Everyone has their preferences, so having most options, such as lips and feathers, as a choice that you can make yourself is always a better option. Everyone is satisfied that way
vast wolf
some things like utah and rex are fine with lips but animals with beaks or piscivoroes dont make a lot of sense.
paper geyser
Yeah obviously animals that shouldn’t have lips would be excluded
Though I’d like to see semi-lips on spino if it ever happens
maiden anvil
@Lexa little late now but thx for correcting me!
arctic nimbus
if u want global idk why u cant just go on a the big array of servers with global
@limber whale most of them are private servers with tons of rules so nah
distant osprey
And your idea would have a negative side effect on herbivores, since they wouldn't be able to run away as effectively if they ate some bushes beforehand
@last topaz
They could implement something different for herbivores tho since a ton of meat ripped right off the corpse and swallowed must weight more than a bunch of leaves properly chewed.
Look at the rhino or elephant for example. They are grassing basically the entire day and still don’t get lazy while a lion, tiger, cheetah etc, even wolves become tired and drowsy after a fat meal where they retreat to the shade to digest for a few hours.
A few hours in game would be a bit too long but maybe like 15-20 minutes. Or even just 10 mins, since the game is developed around active play styles.
ashen wasp
lips on all theropods, sure. dinosaurs with beaks, obviously not.
last topaz
I feel like it’s a great idea, but it should be more for pvp rather than realism. For example, if the Allo gets the debuff, it would be 3% slower than the Magy, rather than 10% faster or whatever those numbers turn out to be. Calculations on the speed of each species should be made and “speed nerfs” due to overeating should be made accordingly. The last thing I want is to be outrun by a rex because I ate too much as a carno (over exaggeration but you get my point) @distant osprey
But great idea nonetheless, hope it gets added
distant osprey
I feel like it’s a great idea, but it should be more for pvp rather than realism. For example, if the Allo gets the debuff, it would be 3% slower than the Magy, rather than 10% faster or whatever those numbers turn out to be. Calculations on the speed of each species should be made and “speed nerfs” due to overeating should be made accordingly. The last thing I want is to be outrun by a rex because I ate too much as a carno (over exaggeration but you get my point) @distant osprey
@last topaz
Yeah 😅 I just hope they do SOMETHING about the unnecessary killing. They can be like 95% then decide to kill a full grown giga only to eat what they need there and then, then sit at the body and gradually eat.
So 5-6 hours went out the drain to fill those 5% they needed. I feel people are too hunt happy now these days but I’m sure that will be fixed somewhat when they add bigger ai.
I’m not sure if it’s true but I’ve heard stegos, rexes etc will become ai alongside with playables.
last topaz
It is true you can find the roadmap in one of the announcement channels. The problem will get fixed when diets are introduced. It’s much easier to manage what is fighting what and when and balance accordingly when you give people “treats” for complying
distant osprey
Does the green V’s mean they’ve added it to the game or that they’re working on it?
barren zephyr
iirc it's people agreeing with you if you mean ✅ this one
paper geyser
yep, just other people agreeing
but it does help in telling the devs what people like and dislike
for example everybody loves my carno wiggle suggestion
as they should
fringe surge
Honestly I'm not at all that excited for the new dinosaurs
I think they need to work on their current ones, and fix hit boxes, I've not been able to really land any hits on Utah's adult or hatchling, which makes me feel like they have a huge advantage over a full grown teno, which really blows.
Bring in new dinosaurs and you're going to have the same problem
paper geyser
i believe those issues are being worked on at the same time as the new dinosaurs
with each update we'll also get fixes and features
ashen wasp
mhm ^^^
different people working on different things means they can cover a lot of ground at once, so to speak
there aren't any hitboxes in EVRIMA, though
fringe surge
It's been so long since a major update has happened, and not to sound like a C word, but how many vacations do they take? XD
That's mostly just frustration speaking however.
ashen wasp
it's just a sphere of damage-- if the sphere connects with another model, that model takes damage
barren zephyr
I don't want to be rude, but without a video or something it could be you missing, server lag, or an actual issue.
ashen wasp
and, ah, i don't thing theyre really taking vacations-- you can see on the roadmap theyre basically constantly working on the next updates
fringe surge
and I'm tired of getting called a "Trash player" for something that is quite honestly out of my control. They were fine when Evirma was fist released, but now it feels like something changed.
barren zephyr
It's impossible to take any conclusions without knowing which of the three were happening.
ashen wasp
^^^
ebon crypt
Ping may also be a problem
ashen wasp
you should take videos and throw them in #732251429082759249 if you can get a clear shot of it happening
i havent noticed any issues personally
barren zephyr
I suspect it's server lag, but we just don't know.
paper geyser
me neither (no issues noticed), evrima combat is the best yet imho
ashen wasp
oh NO NO NO NO NO, naked Theri is cursed. ill be happy if we dont get any more bald maniraptorans, please and thank you
sterile ocean
@ashen wasp I NEED to see a naked theri bitch slap a rex
ashen wasp
go watch that old documentary then, it's FLUFF OR BUST
ebon crypt
Hey, if we're getting feathered variants, then naked ones have to come too, right? 
ebon crypt
Equal rights, my friend
ashen wasp
nahhh nah nah
ebon crypt
I mean, what do feathered variants add, by that logic
ashen wasp
characterization, accuracy, a lack of a step backwards in the public's perception of dinosaurs, cuteness factor, creative depictions
there's just so much more variety feathers can give
ebon crypt
Could be argued the same for naked ones
sterile ocean
characterization, accuracy, a lack of a step backwards in the public's perception of dinosaurs, cuteness factor, creative depictions
@ashen wasp feathers are only cute on babies
ashen wasp
look at me. look me in the eye and tell me Hypsilophodon isn't cute.
ebon crypt
Cockroach
sterile ocean
Could be argued the same for naked ones
@ebon crypt uhhhhhhh accuracy would only apply for rex since we dont have any proof of feathers but we have proof of scales
ashen wasp
thinking cockroaches arent cute...
ebon crypt
Well yeah, not all points for feathered variants can be applied to naked ones, but they still have their good sides. Seriously, bias aside, let people like what they like.
And never said cockroaches weren't cute
silver zephyr
paper geyser
cockroaches are one of the cleanest animals alive
ashen wasp
if highly-misguided people are allowed to voice their preference for naked maniraptorans, then im allowed to voice my dislike for them
paper geyser
they should also burn in a fire because brazil is infested with them and i now have a phobia
ebon crypt
Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, you just shouldn't be punching down on others with a different opinion
ashen wasp
haha, punching down 'cause theyre lower opinions, right?? in all seriousness, i know accuracy isn't The Isle's foremost concern, but the point of the alts is to provide a more accurate depiction of dinosaurs that are portrayed in an inaccurate light for nostalgia's sake by default, right?? it makes less sense to give scaly alts of dinosaurs we know to be feathered in that case-- it's an unnecessary step backwards
lilac swallow
if highly-misguided people are allowed to voice their preference for naked maniraptorans, then im allowed to voice my dislike for them
@ashen wasp sorry, but this is islecord you arent allowed to have your opinion sadly
silver zephyr
I just viewed the feather alts as a way for more customization and to appeal to those who like em. Don't see why featherless alts can't exist.
ebon crypt
It's not a step backwards per say, but I see it just as a stylistic choice. Some people like the more retro feel of the non-feathered dinos. If it's that bothering to some, just add an ingame option where you can only see feathered or scaly variants then, if possible of course
lilac swallow
Its confirmed that some dinos (like Ovi) arent getting featherless skins just like some arent getting feathered skins
outer condor
I just viewed the feather alts as a way for more customization and to appeal to those who like em. Don't see why featherless alts can't exist.
^^^^ where's featherless ovi 😡
silver zephyr
Pog. I personally like ovi either way but featherless ovi is nostalgic for me (for some reason).
I think disney dinosaur had one or something.
outer condor
It did
lilac swallow
It barely appeared tho
silver zephyr
my dumbass misread
lilac swallow
Only in the opening scene
limber whale
@limber whale most of them are private servers with tons of rules so nah
@arctic nimbus there are a few big ones that have similar rules to official or why not make one server with no global and one with lmao
paper oriole
If you run into the spikes of a kentro it would probably be more than just light damage lol
I hope spikes and horns deal impact damage based on speed though
ebon crypt
Ooo, I'd love to see a bunch of utahs try to pounce a kentro and they all get impaled. Utah armor as kentro
arctic nimbus
whats wrong with turning off global though? Its the same thing
limber whale
i like playing in servers with global, but on official global just doesnt make it as scary when u can see roughly whats goin on via global. and no it isnt that same as turning it off when i know its there lol
arctic nimbus
I mean the game isn't really that scary in the first place but if you don't like chat that much that's you I guess.
barren zephyr
Wtf happened to legacy
ebon crypt
Legacy happened.
barren zephyr
Sounds like hell on earth right now
ebon crypt
This honestly just shows how badly they needed new code to work with
barren zephyr
Definitely
severe idol
No one's ever happy either. lol
thorny lynx
Really wish they would fix the sounds.
Fix sounds please.
barren zephyr
will hypsi have a wallow? it seems weird because it's all feathery, it could be bad for keeping clean. also they don't have the morph part checked off yet, I'm excited to see what baby hypsis look like 😳
paper geyser
i thought it was just me, but i guess the calls really are kinda weird now
also sometimes the ambient sound just cuts off for a solid 5 minutes, really annoying
barren zephyr
^
I recommend reporting this as a bug, they look at all the bug reports and take them very seriously. I reported like 5 and they were all squashed in a week or two
paper geyser
alrighty
barren zephyr
btw you will need video evidence so install OBS, it's free and open source screen capture software
silver zephyr
will hypsi have a wallow? it seems weird because it's all feathery, it could be bad for keeping clean. also they don't have the morph part checked off yet, I'm excited to see what baby hypsis look like 😳
it does. amarok wallowed as it on stream
barren zephyr
based, thank u for the quik response
lilac swallow
Rex: hadnt have a Buff in a year and a half, just like every legacy dino
Some random dude: "stop bufing Rex"
pallid burrow
I’m saying it was already broken before, but then every time they did update the game it got a buff when it should’ve gotten a nerf
pale bloom
Rex broken because it has bonebreak? How many times I read that and I kept saying it's bullshit
glossy matrix
it is broken
pale bloom
Remove the bonebreak and Rex becomes the worst Apex together with Trike
glossy matrix
well yeah
it becomes broken because of BB
BB is practically a death sentence in a fight
pale bloom
Try hunt a Giga without brokebreak, it will just get your back and ride you to death if the Giga it's smart
pallid burrow
Bone break is broken
Once you get bb you’ve pretty much have a guaranteed win against anything
pale bloom
It's broken and I still watch Rexes dying to Spinos, Shants, even Trikes 😂
pale bloom
Apex vs Apex it might be broken yall right
Now, Dilo needs 12 consecutive bites to bleed a Rex, isn't that broken?
pallid burrow
No because night time is it’s main advantage, and if it screws up once it’s dead
glossy matrix
Now, Dilo needs 12 consecutive bites to bleed a Rex, isn't that broken?
no
pale bloom
"Rex has broken hitbox" dude I've riden Rexes at the left side with no issues
pallid burrow
Dilo during day time isn’t going to kill a rex because night time is it’s element and it’s supposed to be powerful in that time
pallid burrow
They just made the hit box bigger, which is why I’m saying it’s broken
glossy matrix
in a big pack
pale bloom
@pallid burrow You sure? That's a thing to test
pallid burrow
My friend told me that they made it bigger, if it’s not then I stand corrected
pale bloom
I've tested Rex hitbox before today patch (but after the first one) and it's the same
They just broke Trike and Shant I belive
pale bloom
I gotta test that then because I didn't played today
If they fix this mess I hope they bring the hitboxes to the last state I don't wanna relearn them again
serene jasper
@pallid burrow , rex is shit one smart spoon/giga/ trike and rex can go cry into bush .. giga kill him at 3 bites spoon at 5 bites (just must be smart and patience) .. as trike spawn only horn bite and rex havent chance 🙂 thats all. Other things.. i think game is more broken then before .. this lights are rly pain for eyes, glitches, lags worst as evrima on release day..
pale bloom
@serene jasper Your sarcasm amazes me
serene jasper
its not sarcasm its skill after 3100 hours
paper geyser
screenshot or its 31 hours
serene jasper
im sorry so only 3020hors 😦 ..
so mainly problems are moving hitboxes, or you can get hit while is running animation of hit.
pallid burrow
@serene jasper if you think rex is that bad you’ve encountered some very bad rex players
serene jasper
thank you , its cost lot of nervs, because broken hitboxes and lags... but im still fan of dev team ;). just sometimes they should hear what players want 🙂 , im very excited for big evrima patch
pallid burrow
No rex let’s itself get bled out
pale bloom
Rex is not bad but neither the best Dino in the game. In good hands is the best Apex, but at the same time Dilo and Utahs in the good hands are broken since they can kill anything except for Stegos and Spinos (Solo Utah)
arctic nimbus
rex is op how is it bad in the slightest
pallid burrow
Legacy rex is easily the most broken thing in game
pale bloom
Lol
pallid burrow
If you get bonebreak almost no matter what you’ve won
mellow maple
It's alt turn is literal garbage. Its stamina is piss poor so good luck trying to catch anything.
Sure its damage is scary
assuming you actually get close to anything
pale bloom
Ambush a Rex from the back with a Giga and let's see what happens , I don't play alt turn keep that in mind
pallid burrow
The stamina doesn’t really matter because as soon as you do land a bite, you have 70% chance of getting bonebreak so you don’t need to run much past that point
arctic nimbus
Unless the rex player is brain dead, you can pretty much kill anything in the game assuming you break its leg.
serene jasper
my experience are = apex are same strong .. its depend only on player skill ... rex can kill giga, spoon, giga can kill rex, spoon ... spoon can kill rex and giga ... all depend on your skill. So thas all by my side. Apex are same 🙂
mellow maple
Also wait are we talking just officials or community ones too
warm flame
rex is the strongest of them all though
serene jasper
only require diffrent tactic
pallid burrow
And then trike gets destroyed by all 3
mellow maple
Because if it was official servers, then Rex is literally poo poo
pallid burrow
Specifically rex
pale bloom
Trike gets destroyed by other Apexes but good luck with a Mid tier dino
warm flame
no trike gets destroyed by giga the easiest, without alt turn it's spino tho
because a giga only needs like 2 bites and it's won
pale bloom
(not now thought since it's hitbox doesn't work)
mellow maple
wait hold up. are we talking all servers or just the officials ones
pallid burrow
All servers
warm flame
I think all
pale bloom
@mellow maple I don't play official anymore because alt turn
serene jasper
yea giga win at 2-3 hits ... spoon need 6 hits but its not problem with spoon then only walk around
pale bloom
Wheat it's right, it's rule dependent
Actually on most ruled servers Sucho is the most broken Dino
pallid burrow
Giga wins if it gets 2 bites then keeps distance, but all the rex needs is one bite to win
Assuming it gets bonebreak
warm flame
if you ask me giga is prolly the best apex in viability, sure a giga is unlikely to kill a rex but a rex is the only real thing that can stop a giga
pallid burrow
Sucho is only broken because it usually gets water protection
mellow maple
Official servers, Rex is garbage. In other servers? Especially with body drop rules? Yeah then Rex is good only because of protection
pale bloom
Sucho hitbox it's away more broken than Rex aswell
warm flame
the only thing that rex has over giga really is damage and leg break, that allows it to kill shants, something a giga is unlikely to do
pallid burrow
Giga can kill shant, but a rex can do it much easier, as soon as it gets bonebreak it wins
warm flame
yea
mellow maple
The biggest weakness adult Rex has that convinces me it's the weakest apex in the game, it can't regain stam in the slightest. Unless by sitting.
You have to make ur ass vulnerable to move again
pale bloom
It wins if the Rex is not a complete dumbass, yes
Ride the Shant and Rex gets an easy win
warm flame
tbh giga is the best apex because it has the most prey options
and is the most successful hunter
pallid burrow
Giga is easily my favourite apex because it actually takes some skill to play. Imo rex is just bonebreak and spam bite to win
warm flame
same
pale bloom
Although a Shant can 1 shot a Rex with a headshot stomp and most Rexes fall on that
pale bloom
I do the same
pale bloom
But that is skill dependant, not likely every Rex gonna do that
warped fog
@pallid burrow when you say that rex got a bigger hitbox, what do you mean by that? I’ve not heard of any recent rex buffs, so can you tell me when this supposed buff was made?
pale bloom
Yall will be amazed of the amount of Rexes that died to complete stupid moves on fights
pallid burrow
My friend told me that in today’s patch, rexes hit box got expanded
pale bloom
Like trying to turn fight a Spino
warm flame
also I like how we're only talking about rex and giga because spino is simply amazing and trike lets be honest is a waste of 6 hours to grow
pallid burrow
So now it’s impossible to ride a rex as anything
Spino is good in the right hands but complete garbage in the wrong hands
mellow maple
Trike is good if the servers do not prevent it from going on the offense
warm flame
like trike is prolly the least viable dinosaur in legacy
warped fog
It was like that before, no? Rex could easily shake everything off by turning left and looking up and down
pallid burrow
It was like they but they made it even bigger apparently
So no more riding the left leg or being behind it in the slightest
pale bloom
You just play Trike so mid tiers don't mess with you, but now since the headbutt hitbox doesn't work...
Just don't play Trike
warped fog
Ok, sorry but I can’t take the word of your friend, at least not without some second opinions
pale bloom
I'm gonna test Rex hitbox tomorrow
warm flame
as a trike if you see a single giga walking your way just say goodbye to all those you love because it's over
pallid burrow
I know, I’m not entirely sure if it’s true but even without a bigger hitbox it’s still broken
silver zephyr
wait so you don't even know
warm flame
bruh
warped fog
They almost certainly fixed it yesterday, intentionally or not, fulgore. I tested it myself. Supposedly today’s hot fix changed it back and made it worse than before, according to dinobunny’s friend
pallid burrow
That’s the only thing I’m not 100% sure about, everything else is already confirmed in game
silver zephyr
also people were clamoring yesterday that rex was utah food since they could assride and not get hit by its janky ass bite
warped fog
Yeah salty rex players were complaining they couldn’t abuse an exploit for free wins 😂 it was funny
lilac swallow
As if utahs dont abuse an exploit to assride
pale bloom
Good Rex will shake off an assriding Utah
Not saying assriding is not bullshit, but Isle has a lot of skill dependant stuff on fights
warped fog
We got one boys, if you play the biggest, least agile creature in the entire game, expect for that weakness to be exploited. Literally just bring a friend if you’re too salty to handle playing what is supposed to be a challenging dino to play as
pale bloom
I've riden a lot of Rexes to death and had meet others who dragbite me like gods
pale bloom
I main Rex & Utah, sounds weird but I do
warm flame
here's how I rank the 4 apexes
- Giga, it has the most food options because of its high bleed damage and quick trot speed
- Spino, if you know what you're doing you can take out basically anything even with alt turn
- Rex, it's only real use is to fight, it's good at it but a bad hunted because of its low stamina
- Trike, do I even have to say anything?
pallid burrow
I barely ever play rex and Utah, I main Allo and giga
warped fog
My point still stands mate
serene jasper
i hope , rex will have this grab and ground smash with instant kill same as in JP evolution ... dear devs just do it. please
lilac swallow
Yeah, you need 12 hours of grow (2 rexes) to counter 2 hours of grow
pale bloom
I have played all the big theropods a lot that's the dinos I know the most
mellow maple
Ah yes, that paper weight Parasaurolophus
warped fog
Yes dragon because playing an apex is supposed to be hard that’s literally the supposed point of it
warm flame
is it just me or is it bs that a single dilo, something who doesn't even take 2 hours to grow, can easily 1v1 a rex, something that takes over 6 hours to grow, at night just by bleeding it out
pale bloom
Learn how to brakecheck and dragbite with Rex to shake of Utahs, if the Utah knows how to counter both youre fucked but that's probably 5% of Isle players maybe less
warped fog
Keep in mind non alt turn isn’t supposed to be balanced, it’s meant to heavily reward more agile creatures
pallid burrow
Well that kinda the point of the dilo, abusing night time to kill things
lilac swallow
I dont know, i thought having longer grow time and slower speed was an enought trade off for being stronger, now It seems that on top of that you must be even better by an absurd margin, you can simply just say fuck Rex, It would summ your point better
pale bloom
@warm flame it is it is, I agree with you
warm flame
good
pale bloom
Ironically Dilo mains are the most toxic players I've meet in the game XD
warm flame
like seriously dilo makes rex a waste of time
mellow maple
@barren zephyr That last line, good shit. 👏
barren zephyr
warped fog
Rex IS stronger, but it’s not agile, you can’t seriously expect a creature to have no weaknesses because of a temporary challenge. Playing any apex is about playing the game on hard difficulty, no matter your growth, to play the biggest nastiest stuff in game. The challenge is part of playing apex
still raptor
Wheat I ask you questions
lilac swallow
No
warm flame
another thing that makes rex bad is most people who play on it tend to cannibalize their own
meanwhile gigas normally just look at eachother and walk away
warped fog
That’d be me cash, I only play apex to hunt other apex to assert dominance
lilac swallow
You cant expect a creature Who cant avoid a fight to be forced to have a harder time fighting, some dinos are good at scaping, others at fighting, this is not a Battle Royal, but a survival game
warped fog
Yes dragon so survive
cyan flame
There is challenge, and there is dying to a single thing a few size classes lower, in a way that is hard to defend against, unless the attacker is stupid, or you have the right enviroment at hand, limiting your mobility for that reason. Anyway, alt turn is the counter to ass riding, if you play on a no alt then you're not playing in accordance with official balance, and so it's not relevant.
warm flame
That’d be me cash, I only play apex to hunt other apex to assert dominance
I play apex to assert dominance toobut I assert it differently
lilac swallow
@cyan flame pretty sure these people are non alturn
pale bloom
I play Apex because I love the animal an its fun the way you have to hunt in the game with it, nothing else
I play a lot of Utah too
cyan flame
Noted Dragon, just pointed it out, if we're talking balance, since I think what I said is the offical stance on balance.
pale bloom
Not doing it because "Rex it's broken"
lilac swallow
They arent alt turn Utah main chads
warped fog
Exactly, non alt turn is designed to heavily reward more agile dinos, so if you complain that a non agile dino gets outclassed in a setting that punishes ANY dino that isn’t agile, then just play alt turn
lilac swallow
I never complained about no alt
Because no alt is for plebs and is not even balanced
All official servers have alt, envrima also has turn in place
cyan flame
You can't treat no alt as valid, when it's lacking a mechanic introduced to fix certain things, including assriding, in a proper way, not by way of shitboxes
lilac swallow
Turning in place being posible is the official way of playing
cyan flame
Now sure, alt turn looks stupid and all, but it's.. slightly less stupid than biting from your ass
warped fog
So... you’re saying rex gets destroyed by utahs on alt turn? sorry but that’d just be the rex’s fault lmao
lilac swallow
No
Never said Rex gets destroyed by Utah on alt
Just pointing how Broken is no alt balance
warped fog
Yeah, you need 12 hours of grow (2 rexes) to counter 2 hours of grow
@lilac swallow huh??
pallid burrow
I like no alt better because the dinosaurs that are not agile and therefore have a weakness, it’s impossible for other dinosaurs to use lack of agility as a weakness
lilac swallow
Slow Dino weakness is being slow and growing slower
pallid burrow
But alt is okay in regards to stopping ass riding
lilac swallow
This is not Bob, raptors are not supposed to fight apatosaurus in this game
warped fog
Either you’re complaining about no alt or you’re saying that rex gets destroyed by dinos that take 2H to grow on alt, make your mind up you’re making no sense
lilac swallow
Or you maybe cant even understand what im saying
pallid burrow
An adult apex doesn’t have a weakness of growing slow. It’s already overcome that weakness and now only has the weaknesses the adult stage has. On no alt, the only real weakness a rex has is bad agility.
lilac swallow
As i said, im just staying how Broken is no alt balance, but i Guess you decided to ignore that part
cyan flame
I don't think we're complaining, we're just saying no alt is not balanced, simple as that.
lilac swallow
Nah Erik, im a salty Rex main despite having stated that i actually main utah
serene jasper
yea , rex cant be agile with his body and proporcion ... he just wait and run straith and grap prey .... on the other hands spoon must be agile because fish are fast, he must be faster then fish, so in isle agility rex in bullshit hope they will nerf his turn
lilac swallow
You cant argue with someone that called you salty Rex main after your first comment
warped fog
yea , rex cant be agile with his body and proporcion ... he just wait and run straith and grap prey .... on the other hands spoon must be agile because fish are fast, he must be faster then fish, so in isle agility rex in bullshit hope they will nerf his turn
@serene jasper his turn is already bad, but it’s mitigated by an exploit with its shitbox
lilac swallow
Jumping on conclusions with only one comment isnt how you argue
pale bloom
Rex hitbox it's only broken to the left tho
warped fog
Jumping on conclusions with only one comment isnt how you argue
@lilac swallow nice straw man but please actually explain why I’m wrong
serene jasper
@warped fog yea thats true. you have right
pallid burrow
I think alt is less balanced than no alt because the rexes main weakness when fighting mid tiers is it’s bad turn, on alt turn servers, that weakness is almost completely taken away because it’s able to turn on the spot
lilac swallow
I already did, and tbh, after years of saying It and people ignoring me despite being the official way of playing i just stoped caring
warped fog
Rex hitbox it's only broken to the left tho
@pale bloom exactly, which is why every rex just turns left, effectively removing its one true weakness
cyan flame
And what else would you have them do
pallid burrow
Even Rex’s that turn left can be ridden by something like a Utah, but one mistake and that Utah is dead
pale bloom
@warped fog But, Utahs, Dilos and even Ceras can ride it the left side since there's a concrete position where it doesn't hit you
cyan flame
And if they make no mistake?
warped fog
And what else would you have them do
@cyan flame have a friend, use the environment or- or just hear me out here
play alt turn
cyan flame
See, you're relying on the attacker to make a mistake
pallid burrow
Then the rex dies
cyan flame
I think it's the attacker that should rely on the defender making the mistake
lilac swallow
Not every Dino is supposed to fight every Dino, this isnt super Dino Bros, its a survival game, and an Utah can perfectly survive without killing rexes so no need to be even able to do so
pallid burrow
Or it can use other advantages, such as terrain
Or the rex can be smart and not let a Utah get behind it
pale bloom
Then to avoid that hole in your left side you drag bite, or brakecheck
cyan flame
So a rex should require a second rex to be safe from a single utah/dilo, or be in one specific place to be safe?
pallid burrow
No
pale bloom
To actually get the Utah in your hitbox
cyan flame
I don't know, that seems like a very bad reasoning to me Birb
lilac swallow
The defender side of a fight should have It easier by default
warped fog
So a rex should require a second rex to be safe from a single utah/dilo, or be in one specific place to be safe?
@cyan flame you’re ignoring my other option
cyan flame
Ah yes, play on alt, like we said, the balanced, official mode
warped fog
Exactly so what’s the problem
pallid burrow
A good rex shouldn’t lose to a Utah, there are ways to get a good Utah off you
pale bloom
I play non alt servers and never got killed by Dilos or Utahs
lilac swallow
The Mode where trading speed for power actually means you fight easier
cyan flame
That people complain that no alt is now.. no good?
lilac swallow
A faster animal can allways choose not to fight, its simply unfair if It also has an easier time fighting
cyan flame
Yes Dino, by using specific things, that I personally don't think you should need in a 1v1. Simple as that really. I don't mind using enviroment to cut off attack vectors/negate numbers advantage somewhat, but for a 1v1, no
And you did say the rex dies if the utah does not make a mistake
lilac swallow
You depends on someone who can allways disengage to make a misstake
pallid burrow
The main reason people say that no alt is not balanced is because a Utah has a possibility to kill a rex solo. But if the Rex is good there are ways to get a Utah off you without being able to spin on the spot
cyan flame
Nah, you still have the possibility
pallid burrow
And I take back my previous statement, a rex can win without the Utah making a mistake
lilac swallow
Even dondi said "just because a Rex and Utah exist doesnt mean Utah has a chance"
cyan flame
But in alt, you need to find the weak target, rather than any target, or more so
warped fog
The utah would rely on the rex making several mistakes, whilst the rex relies on the utah making one, just one single mistake. I fail to see the problem here
cyan flame
Alright, in an open plain Dino, with no other factor but the two dinosaurs?
lilac swallow
500 kg against 9 tons, is simply absurd
cyan flame
How do you get it off without using either a shitbox (which is fair but its a stupid thing that should not exist in the first place for other reasons) or the utah being stupid
You know it's faster right? It can run around you?
lilac swallow
You should need at least a oack
Is not a fighting game
Running away is allways an option for faster animals
pallid burrow
If a Rex runs left and bites at the same time it can kill the Utah if it doesn’t adjust in time
cyan flame
But if the utah does adjust
Again, it comes down to the utah being stupid/making a mistake
lilac swallow
No alt is only to boost your ego
cyan flame
Which I think me and Dragon say is not good enough, it should be the rex making a mistake, not the utah, since the rex is in the defensive position
If the utah does not like the engagement, it can go away
The rex can't
lilac swallow
Rex is forced to fight, Utah can allways chose
pallid burrow
Not really, if the rex runs forward and bites, the Utah not adjusting on time isn’t really a mistake on the Utah’s part, it’s the rex being smart. Imo
cyan flame
That's why carno is somewhat op, it decides the encounter in 99% of the cases
lilac swallow
Rex loses more if It dies
cyan flame
No, it's the utah being dumb Dino
lilac swallow
Is only fair
cyan flame
Since the utah should know
If the utah knows the rex can do that, then the utah will not be careless
warped fog
1)don’t let the utah get behind you
2)don’t drain all your stam
3)break check efficiently
4)rotate your body
5)don’t play non alt turn
6)don’t play alone
7)if all else fails, you have lots of health, so you’re given many many opportunities at life
Utah:
1)don’t get hit. That’s it. Hit just once and you’re dead
That’s why you need a pack, I’ve played this game for a long time and rex v utah 1v1 favours the rex even on non alt turn, everyone makes it seem like a single utah is the bane of every rex but they’re really not, rex needs to make a lot of mistakes to lose but a utah? Just one.
pallid burrow
Exactly, a smart rex shouldn’t let a Utah get behind it in the first place.
lilac swallow
The game is still balanced around alt turn, stated multiple times, proved by officials being all alt turn and envrima having build in turn in place
warped fog
And everyone’s on the side of the dino that literally made a controversy because of how overused it was and still is. Why is it overused? Here’s a hint, it certainly isn’t because it’s bad and gets killed by everything
cyan flame
Saying that there is a way to prevent it reliably, or that it's the only way to remain safe, which again, doesn't seem entirely accurate to me. And most of your responses are either irrelevant, or relies on the utah being stupid. Or other things that really shouldn't be needed. At least not as far as I'm concerned. But I doubt we'll agree on this. I'm just glad Evrima will have turn on the spot for everything, and with collision and trample, that should prevent this sort of stupid "fight". That and now the utah has proper pounce, so they can use that, and have a pack, which they really should for taking on bigger things in the first place.
lilac swallow
Dondi's words
pale bloom
If yall don't want to die play Sucho on servers with water protection, easy
cyan flame
Because it's a rex, and so everyone's favourite xD
pale bloom
I still keep my point. Rex is a good Dino, but not broken
cyan flame
But I'm pretty sure dilo, allo, utah, and some others are decently popular too. And giga if you want to be safe from everything but a rex
warped fog
Exactly, I just said that rex wins the vast majority of 1v1s on utah, dondi just agrees.
cyan flame
Considering we have alt turn/turning on the spot, I don't know.. seems like assriding is not intended, at least not the way it's currently done
lilac swallow
Dondi said Utah doesn't need a chance
cyan flame
And in any case, defense should not be by shitboxes, that's just stupid all around for anything
zinc anvil
i mean rex should win has all the advantages in its favour
warped fog
You could also remove bone break instead of fixing its weakness not actually being a weakness
lilac swallow
You shouldnt bug the game to even defend yourself
warped fog
Dondi said ‘fair chance’ too
cyan flame
Beyond that, my stance is that you should not rely on enviroment/partner or the stupidity of the attacker for a defense in a 1v1 fight, less so when one of the fighters is way more powerful than the other and at the same time on the defensive
pale bloom
Remove bonebreak and make the Rex the worst Apex, mmm I don't see it
cyan flame
I think Dondi has also said 10-20 utahs for a solo rex
And half of them dying at that
zinc anvil
it means the chance is there just the odds are not good for the utah
cyan flame
And chance is fine, I think we just disagree on how the fight should look Synergy
warped fog
Exactly, so just play the intended official game mode if you don’t want to die in a game mode without a mechanic designed to fix the one thing you’re all complaining about
lilac swallow
@cyan flame tbh why are we even talking about legacy balance anyway
pallid burrow
If 10-20 Utahs take on a rex and half of them die that is sad for the Utahs.
cyan flame
No idea actually Dragon
lilac swallow
I'm not complaining
zinc anvil
legacy isnt balanced at all
cyan flame
I just got in cause someone argued no alt balance, and that sentiment of no alt not being balanced still stands
lilac swallow
As I already said 2 times im just pointing how broken the balance of no alt is
cyan flame
Even if legacy is dying and all that
pale bloom
Assriding won't be a thing on Evrima guys, let's see when Apex come out how the things are going to be
cyan flame
No Dino, I think Dondi means it'll be that dangerous/hard
zinc anvil
^
cyan flame
And yes, it'll be "sad" for the utahs, they're not meant to hunt a rex
warped fog
As I already said 2 times im just pointing how broken the balance of no alt is
@lilac swallow this isn’t common knowledge??? That’s why your point wasn’t getting across, because it’s the most obvious thing ever
cyan flame
They're "small" tier, sure, they can punch upwards, but there should be midtiers/"pseudoapxes" to hunt the big guys, if anything
lilac swallow
I also already specify my point
cyan flame
Or a big group of smalls, like 15 of them, + the dangers/losses since the rex will fight back
lilac swallow
If you didn't get it and still assumed I was complain is just your faut
cyan flame
And yeah, no complaints here, I stated I only play on officials so
lilac swallow
Fuck writing in tablet, can't even write properly
cyan flame
Doesn't mean I can't disagree with if alt/no alt is balanced or not, or discuss it to be honest
If rex players want to go on no alt and try a bunch of "tricks" to remain safe, fair enough for them
warped fog
The fact you’re constantly saying rex doesn’t deserve to die by Utahs implies you’re speaking for non alt turn and believe it should be balanced in any way shape or form
lilac swallow
Having a negative opinion on something is not complaining
I'm talking about no alt turn
warped fog
Yes, it is.
lilac swallow
No complaining
cyan flame
We believe that balance means that a solo utah does not stand a chance against a solo rex that knows what it's doing
And I personally believe that should go without the need for specific area/other such tricks, since it's a 1v1 fight
lilac swallow
Also bye @cyan flame, lost enought braincells repeating I'm not complaining
cyan flame
Fair enough Dragon, guess we're not getting anywhere with this
lilac swallow
When I got called a salty Rex main just for a single one line comment I already knew this wasn't going anywhere
warped fog
Same here, I lost some brain cells too, especially since the one thing someone’s point was, was the equivalent of saying water makes stuff wet.
pallid burrow
When did this become a debate about alt turn vs no alt turn? It started with talking about why Rex is op
cyan flame
But rex isn't op, and that would be where the balance talk come from, including alt/no alt
How it goes I guess
barren zephyr
i got more checks than you on your own suggestion 😹💀👹😹 @barren zephyr
Cuz you have a moving picture in it, and people don't like reading
but also it's a good idea, Like if they don't want to remove it, just slow it down a little.
noo pepe dont cry
nova anchor
@safe widget redditor acro best acro
mellow maple
I just like the fact you said that while Isle isn't going for realism, it isn't an excuse to entirely disregard it because then you get unconvincing animations.
barren zephyr
yes.
random imp
lavish rover
mb
gritty terrace
legacy isnt balanced at all
@zinc anvil no shit sherlock
zinc anvil
@zinc anvil no shit sherlock
@gritty terrace well that's a bit uncalled for hurt my ice cold heart! but there are many reasons why its not balanced at all and its not just stats
gritty terrace
lmao
oh btw we made a cult when you weren't in the chat @zinc anvil
look in offtopic
barren zephyr
You guys would know what imbalance means if you would've played the Old Isle xD
Rex walking trough 3-4 gigas without trouble lmfao
Don't get me wrong, Legacy isn't balanced by any means lol, but it's possibly in one of the better stages balance wise
warm flame
maybe not full on recycle the animation but use parts of it
cedar pulsar
ryk's got a point there, the old isle was a shitshow in terms of balance compared to now
Shant could run down and stomp every apex to death without a sweat broken
lethal silo
yeah those baby geese will leap from their nests and fall all the way down with no way to get back up
and many die during the fall
warm flame
yup
fallen mason
The should increase or do remodel austro
lethal silo
i saw the same documentary lmao
warm flame
speaking of the new austro
why tf does it have those eyebrows?
like what is their purpose
warped fog
Maybe recycle the carno's Legacy 3-call animation for the hypsi spit hit confirmation, the one where carno tilts its head to the side (similar animation but new sound). Depending on from which direction the hypsi's attack landed, carno could tilt its head in the opposite direction (so if the attack hit from the left, carno would tilt its head away to the right)
@violet magnet I completely agree with this suggestion but I just want to say something, it’s quite obvious that spit lands if a hypsi spits at a carno then the carno completely runs past it and instead knocks itself out by faceplanting a tree
dapper terrace
@barren zephyr I just saw your insectivore idea and I think it's brilliant.
Add a little swarming bug texture and some bee hive sound effects and it would add such a cool mechanic to the game
barren zephyr
thank you very much Moby duck (:
lost blaze
Flat grasslands is what I'm hoping for, just a place where carno can really excel, instead of mostly hills, that limit what it can do
wild stone
I want more water. Small pools scattered around the map that become more/less full over time, depending on wet/dry season. Dynamic rivers are going to be lit too. Also a section of the map that's similar to V3, with more hill terrain that is climbable, rather than the either very-flat ground we have now, or sheer impassable cliffs. More middle ground, atleast in some areas, would be good
Also, beach banks being a whole-ass biome with more features and interesting stuff to do. Not just a strip of sand and some waves uniformly surrounding the edge of the map.
distant storm
I think the Legacy branch needs to be open to mods. As much as the developers want to continue working on Evrima, the community is primarily playing the old game until Evrima is more stable and has many other species.
Modding COULD fix the magnitude of problems in the game. It doesn't mean it will. But it would alleviate the burden of the development team having to "constantly" weed the garden they started. Modding will bring fresh life into the game, allow the community to show off all those skins they have tried to show for years.
If there is a stable way to release the game to be open for modding, then do so. Even if that means removing the Hypos from the coding. Please.
barren zephyr
They would have to re-make the devkit from 0, which is such a timesink, and so prone to causing the already frail code to just explode into more bugs that it might not be worth the hassle.
distant storm
Not their hassle, but maybe just open it up then. There's not a huge reason to continue trying to maintain the broken game as is at the rate it's breaking. And that time sink is something I'm sure a handful of players wouldn't mind diving into for them.
They can leave the busted, totaled, wreck of the game to the community to tinker with. Maybe it does nothing, but there's no financial loss for them in this case?
barren zephyr
Well, it would depend on how long they'd take to get it up, any longer than a week could potentially slow down development, and since Amarok is the man who handles AI (which has proven to be a pain to the point it's no longer on the main section of the Trello Roadmap), it may prove to be problematic.
distant storm
Yeah, but look at older versions of minecraft that have server-crashing bugs and dups. They leave those versions for the community to tinker and build on if they so choose. The game could even sell better for players wanting to come back and try the mods from the workshop. And yes, a week of patching up the devkit takes a week from evrima.. but how many days would it be in total if Legacy needs constant maintenance for the next year? Hours and hours of hotfixes for the old game will take more than a week if left only to the dev team alone.
The dev team, at the size it is, can do amazing things if they were relieved some of the burden. Yes, still implement hotfixes as they can.. but allow your community and your support to help you back.
desert crater
well, the patch broke the game even more so than the hackers
barren zephyr
You might be right under the assumption that the community would help the developers in fixing the legacy bugs, which I highly doubt, they would most likely take the devkit, do some mods which help next to nothing with the bugfixes and that would be that.
distant storm
Yes, that is the possibility. But the only thing they have to lose is time from Evrima. Time that the community might accomplish. And I 100% agree with you David, they may not fix the bugs. But our community here has some very talented people that can make Legacy like it's even older self. When we had skins, new maps, and map reskins. All things that just bring people back to play the game or purchase it to play something "new and fresh".
barren zephyr
Can't argue with that last one, we do have talented people lurking around.
distant storm
I'm not saying I can do this, I'm not talented enough.
But these are modded maps from the community, Something, anything, to bring back a Renaissance
That's why I say, allow us to try mods. Let the dev team go full throttle to Evrima, and let your community help you. We want to see this game shine.
barren zephyr
oo maps like this would look excellent in evrima
random imp
good old Terrae Vitae would look fenomenal in EVRIMA
last topaz
On the topic of balancing, in a dinosaur simulation game I shouldn't have to tailride or "stay on the right side" because of hitboxes. I shouldn't even have to think about hitboxes
silent current
lol what do you mean
serene jasper
guys, may i ask, has someone list of changes, for legacy?
steep sedge
Am I the only one wishing there was more arm flail on the Carnos Wallowing??
dense wagon
random imp
bryan is a fenomenal animator but his animating style is not enough, he needs to evolve, learn new stuff, always improve
but he does not do that, at least for what i see from the spectator prospective
his animating style is the same as 5 years ago
as well as Kissen's
barren zephyr
I think some of the animations are great, and some of them completely missing the feel of weight.
random imp
both our animators are great, but at the same time both are missing the weight of the creatures
because Bryan works on the loop animations like run/walk/turn and as we can all see they do lack weight and the feel of a giant beast
Kissen works on the unique animations like eating/drink/calls/wallow
and they still do not feel right
paper geyser
Agreed
barren zephyr
allright, I did my part of the feedback too.