that just creates a scenario where they all hide there forever
#general-feedback-discussion
azure wadi
Or they could use different types of food and food preferences to naturally have the players split
night mountain
someone grows a rex in it lol
distant storm
I think it's better to not cusion any of the roster. If you pick to play as a smaller dino you will be eaten. Suck it up, no safe zones.
night mountain
i would take literal safe zones over split roster
mighty girder
if you want to live and contend with most of the roster go for med size not fucking hypsi
arctic nimbus
It worked well in Legacy, not sure why they would think it would be different in Evrima just because there are more small creatures. Just run away 🤷♂️
distant storm
I would literally pick a different game then have the isle turn into a game with fucking safe zones.
What kind of shit is that for a horror game
night mountain
both parties must 3 call each other to consent to a hunt or you get thrown in jail with the nyctatyrannus
mighty girder
if anything the evirma smaller creatures will do even better
azure wadi
IKR it makes things even more ridiculous when humans eventually appear
mighty girder
hypsi has a fucking blinding cloud ffs
azure wadi
And some people say “it’s only on officials” I don’t care if it’s only on officials now I have to go onto one of those semi realism server and get kicked because I hunted another dinosaur
distant storm
Exactly. So do you want:
A game that picks your dinos for you based on which map you play?
A server that FORCES you to play their hunting lists?
or
Find a game that lets you die how the hell you want.
If splitting the ICONIC roster that attracted every single person here is the only way they can BALANCE the game, then I feel the isle needs to go back and change their steam description and take down their legacy pictures advertising the game. Because that is NOT the game you're buying.
Ok my rant's done.
arctic nimbus
Not to mention that having apexes in one roster would just make it a battle royale game rather than an actual survival horror game.
silver zephyr
tbh i have no clue what balance issued they are afraid of
distant storm
Primal Carnage Open-World 2021
silver zephyr
most people in the community agree basically all the dinos can be made viable they just need certain things
the only problem child is
azure wadi
If the devs don’t listen to all this criticism then I’m probably gonna jump ship
silver zephyr
magy
strange wave
yeah, the alberto excuse is the only reason for magy not being viable, but even then, we have no clue on albertos standing
azure wadi
*allosaurus
strange wave
allo is a stamless ambush predator with blazing speed danger, so people naturally assume that alberto is the opposite for some stupid reason
azure wadi
I don’t even want to look at the subreddit if they’ve heard this news
arctic nimbus
There's only one post about it, actually. Might be from someone in this discord.
silver zephyr
strange wave
then the steam forums are a war zone
distant storm
I'm not saying it's magy, I will never say it's magy.
My issue is falsely leading on the players that this is a horror survival game with Rexes, Spinos, Trikes, and many other dinosaur all the way down to a Dryosaurus.
The isle is the current "owners" in the dinosaur gaming community of the Allosuarus, Trike, Alberto, Carno, Dryo, Giga.
No other games have these huge icons in their dinosaur games in multiplayer. Why are you not going to utilize your 5 Star rated dinosaurs?????
silver zephyr
all those dinos will still be playable
they just won't be able to interact with smaller dinos controlled by players
or just in general
its still stupid af tho
distant storm
Then what's the point?
azure wadi
I’m not so sure about that, from what kissen said yesterday I’m not sure if allo or Alberto will be playable
silver zephyr
so the selectable rosters vary i guess?
distant storm
If I'm not scared out of my shitted-pants cause I fucked around (and found out) then it's not the game advertised.
silver zephyr
Oh I know
its still dumb af to separate shit
but stuff like allo etc won't become unplayable
distant storm
Don't sell your game with legacy photos if you're not bringing those dinosaurs back 👏
azure wadi
Like I said kissen made us question yesterday whether they will even be playable or not
cyan flame
I understood it all as different official servers having different playable rosters, not that we'd never get to play big things on an official server.
silver zephyr
they will be playable. there would be modes with separate rosters with those dinos
but once again
I still hate the idea
distant storm
silver zephyr
in survival alongside magy
azure wadi
Oh I see now
silver zephyr
hence several versions of survival
cyan flame
Exactly. Does not mean you won't have them as playable with another roster
Hell, they could do doubles
Nothing saying deinosuchus couldn't be both in the "small" and "big" server, maybe with some minor stat difference, to provide the same aquatic danger
silver zephyr
"Im still confused though
Will again, apexs midtiers etc be playable in survival on officials
not any time soon but still at some point
@Bluedragonny Not this version of survival. You realize when can have as many versions of survival as we choose yes? With a set roster for each. As it stands though, you will not be getting apexes in this first version of survival. I'm just repeating myself at this point unfortunately."
first version of survival
azure wadi
But it’s funny that kissen has stopped saying how Magy can defend itself and now just says it won’t live with the bigger ones
distant storm
As I said, it makes no sense to split the roster that has made your game basically one of the top 3 dinosaur-related games on steam.
cyan flame
As long as they provide an official server where you do get to be all the playables that are reasonable (so no brachio cause human guns), then I'm not sure it'll be quite as terrible of an idea as many seem to think
silver zephyr
thats fine
cyan flame
Sure it would be preferable if they could balance everything to work
But I'd also argue we got too many playables for one server, even if we get 100+ player cap
silver zephyr
magy is literally the only problem child balance wise. most other dinos have at least fairly basic ideas or more intricate ones on how to be viable
cyan flame
So I guess I can kind of see some use in specific rosters, for more player interaction between them, instead of maybe, 5 or so, of every species, across the entire map
distant storm
The ecosystem will never be balanced.. none of these dinosaurs lived together. That's not the point.
The point is to play with fear... or be the monster that makes other fear you.
silver zephyr
ok what
azure wadi
I think this whole server splitting thing is just a way so that the devs don’t have to try and balance the unviable titanosaur
cyan flame
To be fair, the games idea have shifted around a lot, so I'm not sure it's all that. It's said that it's the humans that have the horror aspect, more than the dinosaur "sim" part
silver zephyr
the ecosystem has to be balanced. no dino should just be cucked by another existing
cyan flame
But yeah, you're probably right there Danger
pine cape
I think magy may have poison dart frog defense, countered by cerato and diet contraints
cyan flame
And it's a.. well, "hard" solution, not the best, but I can see some reason for it. And I can like the idea of smaller roster cause, well, tribals + humans + server pop
azure wadi
Magy won’t need that defense at this rate
cyan flame
They have far too many playables as it is really xD
silver zephyr
a smaller roster is somewhat fine
but not just completely separating certain size classes or whatever
no mids for you xddddd
distant storm
Every game has balancing issues @silver zephyr . I'm not saying one dinosaur should murk them all. But that with packing limits and things being implemented as it's being built, that the game can't expect to be perfectly balanced until every member of the roster is out.
cyan flame
I guess it would depend on where the line goes, and just where the issues are. I mean, if it turns out everything but magy can survive with the entire roster, then well, let magy go, but there might be others too
We don't know how they want to balance everything, I don't think at least
silver zephyr
balance is based off of 1v1 not groups
wait
well obviously no game will be perfectly balanced
pine cape
only certain animals are able predate upon dart frogs if they have the toxin resistance, the same could be applied for magy. Eg. non-cerato carnivore bites it and received dose of toxin, carnivore loses stam/health
azure wadi
There will also be no reward for growing an apex because you’re not an apex in comparison to the dinosaurs around you, you’re just a regular dinosaur who takes a very long time to grow
silver zephyr
you just need to make sure some stuff isn't fodder
distant storm
I agree
vast wolf
i feel like the toxin would be a debuff that makes you sick. lowering stamina and making you vomit.
distant storm
I just don't want the entire game to become fodder from this.
vast wolf
most of the roster will do fine.
pine cape
think about how viable dart frogs and newts are, magy will endure
cyan flame
Why wouldn't you be an apex DangerGamer?
Problem is Yak, people will kill for shits and giggles
near fox
I can tell ya right now that if rosters or anything like that gets added im prob gonna switch to BoB or something.
vast wolf
amphibians have almost as much global range as mammals.
cyan flame
Not caring if they get a punishment, unless it's very harsh, and or/just not make it worth it. But that could be solved with biomes ingame instead possibly
azure wadi
Why wouldn't you be an apex DangerGamer?
@cyan flame the roster would be split into small, mid and apex so apexes won’t be special in comparison to the dinosaurs around them
pine cape
but still die from biting magy before they are able to do enough damage
near fox
I super enjoy the ecosystem of giant dinos from Rex/Giga all the way down to tiny Tacos all in the same areas.
arctic nimbus
Why even have Magy in the first place if only a select few creatures are able to interact with them?
cyan flame
You don't think the "big" group would contain pretty much everything from let's say deino/maia/that range +´the big stuff?
Cause that's how I'm seeing it
vast wolf
i think magys toxin would be more of an over time thing.
cyan flame
Or how I would do it I guess
azure wadi
Magy is probably the worst new dino they could of gone for, burn the unviable one and move on
pine cape
Magy's toxin is only up if they are feeding consistently on the correct diet, like real life dart frogs
cyan flame
So you'd still have a rex, and if you have an allo, the rex is still an apex
near fox
One of the main enjoyments of the Isle is that you can be something small like an Oro or Dryo and be in the same herd and around huge dinos like Trike and Stego. If rosters are added that will remove one of the most enjoyable factors of the Isle.
vast wolf
it could get its toxins from the eucalyptus trees that are on the islands.
cyan flame
Yeh, magy is .. a strange choice. If I want to be a sauropod, I want to be, well, big..
Sure, doesn't have to be puerta massive, but you know, towering over the others at least? :p
pine cape
Dart frogs are perfect to keep as pets in captivity as they do not have the toxin from their diet
vast wolf
dart frogs are high upkeep.
cyan flame
But, did they confirm both small, mid, and large sized tiers?
azure wadi
If they don’t want to scrap Magy, just make it ai and stop trying to sink this game
vast wolf
If they don’t want to scrap Magy, just make it ai and stop trying to sink this game
same can be said for hypsi.
pine cape
I like that different dinos actually feel different (at least seems what they're going for) rather than all being copy pasted. Different abilities and niches.
vast wolf
hysi is oro but made viable.
azure wadi
Why would you scrap a viable dino? I say scrap Magy because of its lack of viability
vast wolf
hypsi is litterally oro with a mario jump and bile spit.
hypsi is to oro as troodon is to velo.
both are super fictionalized and are basically replacing the older dinos without replacing them.
azure wadi
Clone =/= unviable, we’re talking about unviability not what dinosaurs we should scrap because they’re too similar
vast wolf
creating a new animal and making it viable when theres an animal with the exact same size and build as it in the game is more of a waste than adding a small sauropod.
magy is no longer unviable at least out of the current 8 updates we can see.
pine cape
True
vast wolf
that may change with the introduction of allo and alberto but sadly we have no information on the balance regarding it.
arctic nimbus
At least those animals serve the purpose of being food. You can make Magy viable by making it poisonous, sure. But then only a select few creatures (which seems to be only one, btw) are able to interact with them, and then what? That's a waste of money.
silver zephyr
magy is poisonous >the venom/poison card is literally in the next update
cyan flame
Is that really a waste though, you'd let any critter that can interact with it, handle it
near fox
If you ask me it seems like it would be a hell of alot easier if most of the dinos they hope to add/balance were just added to the game as is and us as the community can test them and give huge amounts of feedback. Would save alot of time, headache and probably money tbh.
languid crown
whats all this talk about splitting the rosters?
strange wave
Why would you scrap a viable dino? I say scrap Magy because of its lack of viability
@azure wadi magy has no lack in viability confirmed, it was fine until people started spouting that alberto is an endurance predator, because legacy allo shows how amazing that is for balance
cyan flame
There's been talk in some places about making magy poisonous only on specific parts, which would allow the critters it can fight/run from handle it with less risk, meanwhile the things that it does have to worry about, it can sort of "parry" with moving so they hit the bad spots and go "blech" for their effort, hopefully deciding it's not a good meal. @arctic nimbus
vast wolf
Is that really a waste though, you'd let any critter that can interact with it, handle it
the poison can tie into the diet machanic in update 5 with magy.
cyan flame
Then you'd have more than just the immune to poison cerato interact with them, while still utilizing poison for defense against some things
arctic nimbus
Is that really a waste though, you'd let any critter that can interact with it, handle it
Which again, seems to be only one, which is Cerato. If there were more animals that could interact with it, then that's fine.
azure wadi
whats all this talk about splitting the rosters?
@languid crown the devs want to make different survival modes by splitting each size tier of dinosaurs into their own survival mode, apex with apex, mid with mid and small with small
eww
silver zephyr
why do people keep calling magy poisonous if poison is literally in the update after magy 
vast wolf
they want to slowly introduce larger animals over time. that was always the plan.
silver zephyr
it just tastes like dogshit
arctic nimbus
where was this said?
@languid crown
vast wolf
stego and deino are exceptions.
azure wadi
Kissen said this yesterday there are some screen shots in discussion
strange wave
kissen is also the only person that has said this
silver zephyr
balance issues that dont even exist
cyan flame
They do say for this instance of survival, implying there will be others. And I do recall them having once had the idea, long before Evrima I think, to make apexes ai only so players would both have something around that is stronger than them as well as avoid everyone going rex xD
mellow sphinx
kissens one of the head people lol
azure wadi
kissen is also the only person that has said this
@strange wave she’s one of the lead devs, her word is most likely fact in regards to this game
strange wave
one of, not the, dondi doesnt even have a final say, just because she wants something doesnt mean its a thing
mellow sphinx
she said "we" multiple times
arctic nimbus
She wanted Magy, it became a thing 🤷♂️
vast wolf
its mostly a majority vote then the community after.
strange wave
She wanted Magy, it became a thing 🤷♂️
@arctic nimbus magy was a team vote, tenonto was her dev pick
azure wadi
The only way our word gets through to them is with an overwhelming negative force, so that’s what we’re doing
vast wolf
still find it funny that jake saved acro.
his dev pick was acro which would likely have been scrapped.
mellow sphinx
lmao
languid crown
kind of crappy news on the back of a really good roadmap
arctic nimbus
I'm curious as to what concepts they have for Acro without making it a Giga or Allo clone
vast wolf
its a false rumor.
arctic nimbus
I have my hopes up
silver zephyr
its a false rumor.
what
vast wolf
acro and albertos concepts are apparently done.
silver zephyr
yeah
vast wolf
the roster being split into sizes forever.
neat knot
Acro and Alberto concepts this week? 🥺 👉 👈
vast wolf
they will start with things that are core to mechanics and small things then work up.
was thinking they would be in the devblog ngl.
arctic nimbus
anyways, if rosters split, im gonna drop dead
vast wolf
punch confirmed them to be done.
@tidal star rex is confirmed to have a mouth grapple.
vast wolf
it will be stamina based.
tidal star
U think I should just remove my feedback thing?
vast wolf
idk its a bit outdated but its fine.
its not damage that kills brachi/pue in legacy its bleed.
tidal star
Ok thanks
random imp
but i say, who the fuck cares about perfect balance? life is not fair, nature is the first thing to be unbalanced. just make different biomes and sub-ecosistems divided per nutritional needs so a fucking Rex won't encounter Magy or whatever defensless shit that often and the job is done. this game is meant to be difficult, scary and deadly.
now that i think about it imma post it on feedback also
stoic orbit
The fuck do they mean split the roster
thin stag
Check Kissen's messages on #401464048610312195
night mountain
magy special ability it makes apexes in a different roster
stoic orbit
Bruh how does this game find new ways to be bad
That’s incredible
I’ve literally never heard of some shit like this before with any other game
nimble thistle
Time for vErY gRaMmArLy CoRrEcT eNgLiSh words.
Split ecosistem idea feels like a step towards a future game concept: different regions each having its threat level for players. Nearly everyone finds dividing creatures by tier a bad idea, but some people may also agree that by staying as it is conceptually, isle is drifting farther away from what it was meant to be. It still keeps its position of a perfect dino-sim, which nearly excludes it being a dark survival-horror or a global multiplayer quest. In this way, finally, i can conclude that I completely forgot about what i was about to say in conclusion
Im stupid and english is too hard for me :p
Ew
In fact its ok to split creatures by islands on officials
Humans may travel through the "easiest" island to the "hardest" to... Don't know how to express in english, to have a complete story
At the same time people may play on unofficials to get full dinosaur gameplay
narrow ingot
^ that reminds me of this old concept art of the isle from Rodrigo.
If u zoom in u will see that the different regions/or whatever is segregated by tiers ( low tier, mild tier, and high tier wilderness)
nimble thistle
I just think that is what dondi would do split ecosistems for
And I like this idea
Faction and dinosaur playlist is changeable for unofficial servers anyway
So, if you don't mind, i ll copy this to feedback
barren zephyr
god i love rodrigo
lilac swallow
@thin stag yeah, nerf every single carni hunger time in a server with little to no food because ONE Dino cant survive being attacked
thin stag
@thin stag yeah, nerf every single carni hunger time in a server with little to no food because ONE Dino cant survive being attacked
I envisioned this Idea being applied later lmao
When ecosystems are already mildly defined
lilac swallow
Is still nerfing half of the roster just for ONE dino
thin stag
It's to prevent kosing as a whole, I just got the idea from Magy's problem
Irl carnivores can't afford to fail a hunt, why should TI's be allowed to?
lilac swallow
I mean, i also dont quite like kosing, but nerfing hunger time so everyone is perma hungry just makes for an unfuny game
thin stag
Not Perma hungry- just that every time you hunt you do it to eat, not for fun
lilac swallow
Irl carnivores can't afford to fail a hunt, why should TI's be allowed to?
@thin stag irl carnivores fail hunts most of the time, and when they succed the food last a while
thin stag
@thin stag irl carnivores fail hunts most of the time, and when they succed the food last a while
I see where you are going... maybe making complete exhaustion do damage to your creature so multiple hunts are discouraged?
lilac swallow
That may be better, but the kosing theme has been talked many times and every single time the consensus is that there is not a way to prevent kosing that isnt abusable or exploitable, in your last example herbis (or other carnis) Will purposedly fight carnis to exhaust them
thin stag
Then herbis should get damage from exhaustion too so they are at risk of overextending and getting cornered?
ashen elm
@barren zephyr Nice suggestion! I like this better than the supposed unsavory taste mechanic. It complements it's environment and has a condition (staying still).
I would just expand on this that if a carnivore is crouching, perhaps scaling with how fast or loud the animal is with crouching being undetectable, walking to be difficult, troting is decent, and running should be red flags. This gives a carnivore that spots Magy first before it uses its ability an advantage as it can set up an ambush by crouching toward it.
And to avoid using this function in herds, I would also limit it in that the more animals you are around, the less effective it is at detecting threats. Because if you have bunch of loud herd-mates stomping around, it should make it harder to use a sound-based ability.
This ability should work best when you are silent and are trying to hide solo. So sort of like a mix of an Elephant and an Okapi. 
valid zephyr
@fallen folio if we're going down the clownfish direction, allow individuals in same sex groups to change their sex. 
fallen folio
lol would be interesting! though it wasnt my original idea so i wont add more to it beyond saying, i like it 😄
lilac swallow
@open sedge i mean giga will come after skin customization is implemented so you can allways make a green skin
open sedge
Oh good
Yeah I forgot about that lol
Do you know where I could go if I wanted to ask one of the devs a question?
opaque warren
@valid zephyr is that a tentacle neuro plant
strange wave
mellow maple
Wow that split roster topic actually exploded
opaque warren
To be expected. There was a vague statement, again, and the community took what it could from it, again.
vast wolf
i think they mean that magy will give you a debuff like being sick. it wont outright kill you.
mellow maple
Smh if only people would be united on other topics
vast wolf
basically your stamina drains and you puke a lot.
silver zephyr
like feathered utah
mellow maple
Exactly
But oh well
This'll do
Split roster is cringe from my perspective as well
silver zephyr
mellow maple
Not like you're going to balance an ecosystem of Mesozoic all stars to begin with
It was pointless from the beginning
There will be overpowered and underpowered animals, plain and simple
opaque warren
And that shouldn't be seen as a complete negative, not something that cannot be worked around at least
To make every creature, although not powerful, fun and interesting to play
mellow maple
That's ultimately what matters which is fine
Plus isn't it our choice on what creatures are playable or not
So split roster means nothing
opaque warren
You mean in officials?
random imp
no ecosystem is truly balanced. end of story. keeping the roster divided is just lazy ass work
i've always been chill and supportive of this game, but this time i'm really pissed off.
random imp
they do give one reason after another to dislike the decisions of the development
mellow maple
true
But the reasoning of why a split roster was considered was more or less because of Magyarosaurus correct?
An animal who's existence relied on the fact large theropods were not present
random imp
they started with the unrealistic and floaty animation, to the Anky problem but at the same time desire to keep the pigmy sauropod, and ending with this roster separation
But the reasoning of why a split roster was considered was more or less because of Magyarosaurus correct?
@mellow maple i think that's the reason the community is giving
it might or might not
i think the deal is far bigger
magy is just the scapegoat
vast wolf
^
mellow maple
I wish it wasn't so. Magyraosaurus is an interesting animal in real life but I'm afraid this game is giving it a bad name because of it.
vast wolf
its been blown out of proportions. the devs have always wanted to start with the small animals and work up to the larger ones after each size range is balanced.
random imp
there are countless ways to keep the full roster without making averyone rage
mellow maple
But what else did we expect. A pigmy sauropod in a roster of mega theropods
random imp
sub-byomes in the map, the clownfish and dart frog magy idea...
valid zephyr
Yep magy meat being toxic isn't going to help magy. People will just kill it out of spite and leave it to rot.
Herbis can't eat dead carnis, but they murder them for lols anyway.
lilac swallow
I swear if we dont get camara with the excuse "its too Big we have magy for you sauropods lovers" im going to kill someone
valid zephyr
punch confirmed that's not the case
random imp
toxic is ok, if you create a sub biome of strain plants for magy to live in
silver zephyr
iirc punch said the shit taste wasn't its main ability. just kinda a side thing
safe galleon
Pelagornis best sauropod
mellow maple
why
silver zephyr
herrera is my favorite theropod 
safe galleon
🗿
silver zephyr
get it because
lilac swallow
Yeah we get it
silver zephyr
mellow maple
I'm actually mad at myself because I'm still unsure if it qualifies for theropod or not
vast wolf
what is classed as a theropod?
silver zephyr
herrera
vast wolf
pretty sure we have a near complete skeleton.
mellow maple
biped, hole in the hip joint.
But recently this has been challenged by a new phylogenetic tree
In a nutshell, it groups Herrerasaurids and Sauropods together, but has everyone else like rex, trike, and hadrosaurs grouped together instead
vast wolf
pretty sure it was bipedal.
mellow maple
As of rn? without that new tree, yes Herrera is a theropod
but the most basal member of it
or one of the.
stoic orbit
Ayo pause this off topic asf but @vast wolf why’d you make the spino your pfp there are so many better vivosaur designs in game
mellow maple
LOL
silver zephyr
vast wolf
because it was the right size and spino holds a special place in my heart for it.
stoic orbit
All the other vivosaur medals are the right size
vast wolf
silver zephyr
megalo
stoic orbit
Megalo was weird
vast wolf
megalo was awsome in champions.
stoic orbit
V-raptor had a good design
vast wolf
megalos attacks cost almost nothing and its stats were great.
vast wolf
seidon looked pretty decent.
stoic orbit
My bad go back to talking about isle shit
timid raven
how do you change the sit button its not working when i change it
ashen wasp
stoic orbit
@vast wolf I have the better pfp now
Also why did they even make the map bigger the size of v3 wasn’t bad
knotty sparrow
I ask myself that same question
timber mesa
Why are people still complaining about the split ecosystem, punch said it’s not gonna be a thing
stoic orbit
Why are you commenting on it? No one was talking about it
silver zephyr
i mean tbf they might not have seen
stoic orbit
That too^
timber mesa
True
stoic orbit
Understandable
timber mesa
Lol
echo orbit
do anay one kmow how i can play humens ? its look like yhe humen race is turn off i cant clock on them
night mountain
I actually legitimately love clownfish magy
hollow fulcrum
Don't get me wrong, I don't want the roster split, but a plus to that happening is there won't be a shit ton of rex's everywhere
peak wedge
@echo orbit You cant, they arent in the game currently
echo orbit
why ?
peak wedge
They weren't done in any form, they will be playable eventually in Evrima
echo orbit
okai whats evrima xD im damn new to the game xD
vast wolf
the branch of the game that the devs are working on from now on because legacys code is broken.
echo orbit
ah okai
peak wedge
Right click on the game in steam, go to properties, go to betas, click on evrima, download and play @echo orbit
silver zephyr
haters tentacle smh
knotty sparrow
Skunk spray Magy? Uh-uh, that’s too outrageous
night mountain
you're right lets keep more realistic things like spinosaurus controlling the weather and utah jumping 30 feet in the air
valid zephyr
and beip being turned into an actual penguin...
hollow fulcrum
Beip isn’t penguin it’s based off of a type of crane
And it’s habits are more duck like
ebon crypt
Danger penguin
paper oriole
Wait so is the split biome thing really being considered all because the stubborn devs didnt want to add a viable lower-tier sauropod instead of magy
paper oriole
Would be a damn shame if that were the case lmao we coulda gotten something cooler like ampelosaurus that could defend itself a bit better and not require such a mess
outer condor
Pog
cobalt parcel
why dont they just work on cama instead? I get cama isnt a mid tier but if they want a sauropod so bad then just keep cama
frigid cosmos
why dont they just add crab instead
paper oriole
I'd guess theyre going for having a small->medium->large series for sauropods
That or they added magy out of spite for sauropod fans lol
cobalt parcel
just sounds like magy is causing so many issues lol i personally dislike it but man the community either loves it or hates it
paper oriole
It was def an odd and seemingly illogical choice for a playable, i hate it too
Seems like its just a bad joke lol
cobalt parcel
i don't understand the whole anky-bad argument when they just go and add... magy...
plus it's just ugly imo but you know how else do you make a creature unique
paper oriole
Yea its part of why i just think they added magy as a spite fueled joke but is magy really worth all the cost to model and rig just for it to get destroyed by any mid tier or even a few utahs
I personally find it sorta cute but cute isnt enough its gotta be viable
Without ruining the whole game just to force it to be
This guy woulda been cooler, he's bigger, spiky, yet smaller than cama
cobalt parcel
i could be wrong in saying this but I feel like they are using the diet system as a cover-up for most things. As people have pointed out, even if magy has toxic meat people will kill for sport
and yeah that thing is dope and has a WAY to protect itself from apex
paper oriole
They could make it so biting the magy also poisons the carni but then magy players would just troll people, basically nothing good can be done with it
safe galleon
A few spikes won’t protect that from apex
paper oriole
Or even shunosaurus would be better than magy, since he can tail whip with thagomozers
Better than magy
lilac swallow
They can also upscale magy and call it salta, salta is big enought to fight allos and its larger legs compared to magy helps salta to outrun apexes
paper oriole
Basically 90+ of other medium sauropods would be an upgrade from magy tbh
cobalt parcel
A few spikes won’t protect that from apex
@safe galleon The spikes could actually protect it. they could make it so that things like allo or utah bite the underside of it whereas an apex is tall so it would have to bite the spikes
paper oriole
Ampelo could also shoulder check with his spikes for a stam cost
lilac swallow
Also, expect for magy basically every sauropod can outrun apexes, magys legs are simply way too short
paper oriole
Also even the little spines down ampelo's tail could add some unf to his tail whip. What's magy gonna do, slap you with his neck flap?
ashen elm
Ampelo actually really big. It got upsized to 15 tons
safe galleon
@safe galleon The spikes could actually protect it. they could make it so that things like allo or utah bite the underside of it whereas an apex is tall so it would have to bite the spikes
And then you notice the big vulnerable neck that is unprotected, plus the spikes don’t look that long, they’d for sure protect it from midtiers but probably not apexes
cobalt parcel
honestly if an apex want to attack ampelo, it could bite the head or tail. but if it hits the main part of the body it will get damaged. but what im really thinking is that maybe ampelo has a shoulder check ability that subtracts stamina from the enemy so eventually it can run away while the apex has to sit down
paper oriole
Dam lol, he's still smaller than cama tho right
cobalt parcel
a tail hit wouldnt do a lot of damage so just give it enough stamina and hp to be able to survive until the apex runs out of stam
ashen elm
Yea he's still smaller than Cama, Cama can get to around 20 tons
paper oriole
Yeah making him a tank would be fine
Reflective damage tank
Unless you bite his face of course them he'd be screwed but the same is for magy
cobalt parcel
and getting head shots would be a way for apex to actually kill the thing but if done right the ampelo could get away
getting away after a stam-battle
sounds good to me, dondi hire me
ampelo size is pretty good actually
violet magnet
Make magy such a tank that it's just tedious trying to kill one
"omg why won't this thing just die"
"fuck it i'mma go hunt something else"
paper oriole
Seems like a very artificial solution for a scrawny little guy with nothing but a few scutes
Would be funny but dumb lol
slow stream
Gonna throw my 2 cents in, but what if magy, like, spawn on the smaller island away from the big scary dinosaurs and just has to deal with dinosaurs as big as itself and smaller?
silver zephyr
Gonna throw my 2 cents in, but what if magy, like, spawn on the smaller island away from the big scary dinosaurs and just has to deal with dinosaurs as big as itself and smaller?
cursed
ashen elm
17 is Alamo so that gives a rough comparison
violet magnet
the smaller island would have to be FAR out from the mainland just to make sure nothing swam over and massacred the magy population when they got bored
also deino is gonna exist
cobalt parcel
well i have my heart set on ampelo now, or just any spiky sauropod
violet magnet
Ampelo is number 22
@ashen elm which one of those is magy? Or is it included in that lineup?
ashen elm
Actually let me check
cobalt parcel
@violet magnet the problem with separating them completely is just...no that is why they are just talking about having different roasters on diff servers. having a magy population on an island far away from the mainland would also just take up player slots
paper oriole
Agustinia could also be an option, or spinophorosaurus
Spinophoro is sorta like shuno
cobalt parcel
a lot of people are against different roasters for different servers so i just dont think it would help to have them on an island so far away that things cant get there
violet magnet
splitting the roster to make one dinosaur even have a chance at being viable be bad
and i was replying to someone else's idea
ashen elm
This is the lower estimate for Magy, so not even 1 ton
But there are other specimens which can get to around 3 or 5 tons. Though it's unsure if they are even Magy or not.
violet magnet
............now i'm convinced magy is just being tossed in as a "fuck you" to all the sauropod players
paper oriole
Yeah if you gotta make such an altering change to protect one playable its obviously not a good playable
A... bad animal if you will
cobalt parcel
oh yeah i guess i should tag @slow stream
slow stream
Hm
paper oriole
Its what i've always thougt, just the carni biased devs adding magy to shoot a middle finger to sauropod fans lol
cobalt parcel
sorry i relied to you comment but tagged someone else lol
shut chasm
They can literally just fictionalize magy
Or upsize it and call it Bajada
cobalt parcel
i mean fictionalizing is fine but why do that when you could just put a viable sauropod
anky is getting fictionalized so its not outlandish
random imp
but Magy can work if they make it the clownfish/dart frog of the isle and split the map in different biomes
violet magnet
yes i can totally see that tiny magy taking on a cerato
slow stream
In the fan art, the magy was the same size as cera
cobalt parcel
for sure, the problem is everything else aha
paper oriole
If they make it poisonous people would just kos it for fun and waste the body, or magy would use the poison to troll carnis that couldnt bite it without being punished
cobalt parcel
yeah
violet magnet
random imp
everything else isn't the problem if you make so its biome is isolated and populated by smaller things
like a micro cosmos
cobalt parcel
which is why a small sauropod with something to passively protect itself (spikes) would work better than magy
shut chasm
Magy just needs a way to survive
At this point its gonna be hunted to extinction
paper oriole
Spiky whip man
violet magnet
making magy's meat poisonous is a non-strategy
people are still gonna murder it
ashen elm
If it's that Spinosphoro it got it's tail club spikes removed. Its just a normal sauropod now lol
random imp
but if you make it live in a biome full of toxins and plant strains it won't be hunted
shut chasm
Give magy a spiked tail so it can defend itself
violet magnet
those people that run into the water and die or throw themselves off cliffs to deny people eating their body? Yeah those types of people will be about the only ones playing a poisonous magy
cobalt parcel
instead of saying magy needs a way to survive we should just change it to unnamed sauropod needs a way to survive cough body armor or spikes cough
paper oriole
Change magy into shuno
shut chasm
Bajada*
silver zephyr
*bajada
paper oriole
Either would be an upgrade
shut chasm
Bajada is a galloping sauropod
violet magnet
we're already heavily sci-fi'ing every other dino, why can't we sci-fi magy to have a shell or spikes or something
paper oriole
Changing it into an upsized taco would be an upgrade even
cobalt parcel
bajada would actually be great
shut chasm
Fictionalize magy and give it a spiked tail or spikes around it like kentro
cobalt parcel
just fictionalize bajada a bit to have spikes on its back too
silver zephyr
no
ashen wasp
bajada or shuno-- or both-- just. any sauropod that can defend itself from midtiers
ashen elm
The problem is Magy already has a model so I doubt they'll remake it. It costs money to do that as much they seem to throw it around when it comes to updating models. xd
silver zephyr
imo baja is better since i think you can do more unique things with spines and not clubs
shut chasm
I mean
I'm sure they have the budget for that
Just give it spikes and/or upsize it
paper oriole
Its a shame they wasted money on free allo food or kos bait
bleak atlas
@violet magnet splited roaster is not magys fault btw
cobalt parcel
the sauropod needs to be able to be bitten by low and mid tiers while making it really difficult for apex to attack it. solution: spikes. short dinos can bite the sides and belly while apex cant bite its back.
shut chasm
Didnt punch say the community misunderstood it
silver zephyr
yes
ashen wasp
yeah
ashen elm
I think they honestly just wanted Cera food and a small enough sauropod. Bajada would wreck Cera tbh
severe idol
Mhm. We had a bit of a laugh about that and good luck trying to change people's mind on it. lol
shut chasm
Welp
severe idol
The pants shitting over the "Split Ecosystem" made me laugh a whole lot.
bleak atlas
Still pp try to get magy out with it lol
shut chasm
Oh boy the amount of people who aren't chatting in isle Discussion 
severe idol
Nah. Magy's staying.
violet magnet
So what's the plan to make magy viable beyond the inconsequential "toxic meat"?
inb4 "Top Secret"
severe idol
Viability in a game like this with such a varied lineup makes me laugh also.
violet magnet
good that the roster's not getting split though, looks like me and about half the playerbase were worried over nothing 
bleak atlas
Like u said diets, also heavy cc
severe idol
Just play the dumb thing or don't. 🤷
Magy's modeled, (mostly) animated, and skinned. They're not dumping that. Projects like that are crazy expensive.
bleak atlas
I understood it and unterstood everyone else wrong. Still want everything pp on at least 1 official server at some point
shut chasm
Exactly
But name changes and upsizes dont cost money right?
severe idol
They can probably increase the scale of the output model, but that might change the way the skin patterns lay on it (different resolution) so ew.
ashen elm
The solution is to forget Magy and focus on getting Bronto into survival as soon as apexes get into the game
bleak atlas
@shut chasm stop
shut chasm
violet magnet
also re: viability
severe idol
Literally every step of a project costs money.
shut chasm
Hold on
Even name changes?
bleak atlas
@ashen elm they have another souropod as Ik, so maybe its bronto. Punch said its the sauropod with the old model today
ashen elm
Yea I don't see them scrapping Magy. At worst if they completely gave up on viability, they'd just make it AI.
severe idol
Yeah. That time it takes to input the change server side costs money. Not much, but money.
silver zephyr
upsizing magy is and always has been a possibility to make magy viable. the thing is most are against it cause it would prove that another larger sauropod was the better choice
severe idol
Any time you perform an action in a work site, that's money.
shut chasm
Oh damn
ashen elm
Yea Punch was talking about Bronto/Apato since it already has a model.
violet magnet
upsizing magy is and always has been a possibility to make magy viable. the thing is most are against it cause it would prove that another larger sauropod was the better choice
@silver zephyr so......what's the solution?
silver zephyr
idk lol
severe idol
Oh hell. Give a handful of dino nerds an hour and they'll rewrite the whole roster with 'Better Choices'. It's perspective. The team liked and agreed to Magy.
silver zephyr
bajada is unironically a better choice even if magy can be made viable
cobalt parcel
facts
crude girder
I mean Legacy Diablo is slower and weaker than an apex, and around the same size as Magy isn't it?
and it does fine
severe idol
Looks super outlandish versus the appearances they've been giving things currently.
shut chasm
Would adding Bajada even when Magy is in the game prove useless or no?
silver zephyr
bajada is outlandish?
violet magnet
bajada can do the neck fighting like a giraffe, immediately better
"looks super outlandish"
hyper rex has entered the chat
severe idol
The thing with a dozen backwards rake prongs forward facing on it's neck? Yeah. Look at EVERYTHING else (not hyper/hypo) and tell me it doesn't look out of place.
shut chasm
Aren't hypers and such designed to look bizarre
crude girder
I mean tbf, we do have kentro coming
silver zephyr
also what?
cobalt parcel
magy has ballsack skin hanging from its neck i mean- a spiky neck sounds cool to me
silver zephyr
bajada is like a default sauropod with some spikes on its neck
doesnt look too crazy
lament ermine
we have a stego with spikers for shoulders i think we're fine
severe idol
Aren't they the forward spikes?
cobalt parcel
plus bajada actually had spikes whereas we have no idea if magy had... that skin..
lament ermine
Bajada
silver zephyr
like a tad of fictionalization with more spikes would be nice
violet magnet
bajada is this
lament ermine
oop
severe idol
Yeah, that hideous fuckin' thing.
paper oriole
Danger mohawk
bleak atlas
That thing looks wrong lol
cobalt parcel
agreed folgore, more spikes on the back would not be outlandish
severe idol
Now compare it's 'danger mohawk' with everything else "core" in the game.
ashen elm
Funny thing is the spikes might have gotten bigger because keratin
severe idol
It looks out of place as hell.
paper oriole
Yeah well magy looks wrong too with his neck flub swaying in the breeze
severe idol
It looks like concept art for an alien world exploration game.
silver zephyr
we literally have kentro who has tons of spikes
lament ermine
the game in general is kinda, mm, inconsistent lets say
severe idol
That one looks better.
ashen elm
I mean TI has a giant turkey (Theri) so I think Bajada/Amarga looks fine xd
severe idol
The forward stuff looks stupid as hell.
lament ermine
you've got spino and utah and on the other side of the spectrum kentro and proto
narrow ingot
Tapwing BAJA is the best
lament ermine
now THAT is poggers
narrow ingot
Fits the isle aesthetic perfectly
silver zephyr
we said bajada instead of amarga specifically because we were already told amarga was too big for what they wanted magy to be
violet magnet
cobalt parcel
i mean i dont think it's out of place because everything in the game is unique. they're talking about dilo venom causing hallucinations and they are fictionalizing anky to have rhino armor, so baja can have some backwards spikes
severe idol
Visually speaking, it's out of place - that's what I'm getting at.
ashen elm
Yea Bajada is TI Magy-sized roughly
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/750055172608229476/baja_.png
lament ermine
and the freakshow that is ovi
violet magnet
baja with backwards spikes might as well just be amarga
around the same size
paper oriole
If the devs make concepts like that cursed austro and anky then baja fits right in the way it is
narrow ingot
Wait...backward spikes....huh
cobalt parcel
Visually speaking, it's out of place - that's what I'm getting at.
@severe idol gotcha
lament ermine
make magy a skin for bajada 
its called hard mode
narrow ingot
Oh nah ...tapwing baja is the way to go. I want baja looking like baja tbh. If not, might as well just put in amargo and decrease it's size.
silver zephyr
baja doesnt have to be identical to the tapwing one to be good
lament ermine
same, i think the forward facing spikes are both cooler and more practical
narrow ingot
True. But I like tapwings version of baja the best tbh. Which is why i want her design.
ashen elm
I think as much as reminisce about it, it's too late. The devs aren't going back to the chopping block with Magy.
At best, I could see maybe Shuno coming as a psuedo-mid or mid tier animal past 1.0.
silver zephyr
🤢 shuno
ashen elm
paper oriole
Pssssst ampelo
narrow ingot
Ampelo chad
silver zephyr
what does ampelo do
paper oriole
He has uhh
ashen elm
Fracture Sauropod
What does Rhino do that is unique besides BB Ceratopsid? 
paper oriole
Spike
silver zephyr
Fracture Sauropod
What does Rhino do that is unique besides BB Ceratopsid?
rhino could have a charge attack
paper oriole
ashen elm
rhino could have a charge attack
So is Pachy and every Ceratopsid probably
Heck Carno has one
narrow ingot
True
paper oriole
Rhino can cause nasty internal bleeding idk
silver zephyr
pachy is confirmed to get a charge? and yes carno has one but rhinos could just seriously fuck up your legs
silver zephyr
also most people want pachy to be mountain goat esque so let its fall damage be reduced and let it climb steeper surfaces or something
ashen elm
Pachy is coming with fracture so I don't think a charge is that unlikely as one of it's attacks
silver zephyr
i guess? but a charge isnt necessary for that a standard headbutt would suffice
ashen elm
It's iconic, I'm pretty sure it will. See all Pachy appearances in JP/JW and look at BoBs Pachy.
silver zephyr
when i think of pachy i think of headbutts specifically not charges 
ashen elm
I think charging is synonymous with Pachy. I can't think of a media where it only headbutts
paper oriole
Dinos like pachy and ceratopsians could have something similar to current carni ambush where they charge up to run faster for a large damage/bb boost, in exchange for turn radius and faster stam drain
ashen elm
paper oriole
I like ampelo ):
silver zephyr
its sauropod kentro
ashen elm
Dinos like pachy and ceratopsians could have something similar to current carni ambush where they charge up to run faster for a large damage/bb boost, in exchange for turn radius and faster stam drain
Agreed. It fits them well
silver zephyr
that could just be a special ability for 1 of em
ashen elm
They should get more creative than charge. I'm surprised Carno even got it lol
silver zephyr
yeah but like what else would carno have gotten
ashen elm
The speed boosted damage mechanic
paper oriole
Itd probably be for trike, pachy and rhino, dibble can have something else idk he just doesnt seem like as much of a charger, neither does ava
silver zephyr
The speed boosted damage mechanic
ashen elm
silver zephyr
kinda suprise carno didnt get a mix of the two
like a charge that boosted with speed
ashen elm
He should tbh. The charge itself is gonna look meh if other animals get better versions
paper oriole
Carno this
ashen elm
rip dyro herds
strange wave
notho is an amazing addition, right next to atops, if both are the only animals able to survive for extended periods of time in the coastal waters it makes their gamplay even better
paper oriole
para's held 3 call could let out the blurring call, i mean that call is a loud ass warhorn anyway
just hold the 3 call to amp it up and fuck carnis' brains for a bit
i had a similar idea a while back after 4 paras ambushed my spino at night and turned my speakers into pure static by surrounding me and 3 calling, nightmares. would be good to see it utilized fr
plucky ridge
Just wanted to throw out this idea about making the para more viable in the game. It might be a stretch but who knows. It seems most Dinos are getting a “special ability” to help them survive. I want to make a suggestion for the para for the fact it has a really hard time in the legacy branch of the game. I think that when a para is being chased by a carni and the carni is in a certain radius that it can use a 5 call that will cause the carni to loose its vision (blurry) for 5-10second and loose its hearing for 30seconds. I know this may not be as realistic as what most people would like but it utilizes what the para is know for which is being super loud. The noise it uses when 5calling will disorient its attacker long enough to try and escape. And with the para’s attacker not being able to hear for 30second would make it harder to locate it in thick Forrest and at night time. By adding this feature would make it where the para doesn’t need any other boosts to what it already has. (Other then I do think it trot needs to be faster to keep up with other herbis)
paper oriole
also para's stupid ass headbutt should be replaced with a shoulder check to further extend his cc abilities, pushing carnis at his sides in a chase to make them stumble and lose some stam
vast wolf
yeah para and shant should be able to body slam and then trample things.
paper oriole
shant should be able to push carnis over and then crush their puny ribs
fallen narwhal
What's meant with "roster", "ecosystem split"? I do not know what that impacts
mellow sphinx
servers/maps will be split up by size ranges
in sandbox everything will be playable
mellow sphinx
welp didnt sound like a misunderstanding
id prefer they acknowledged it and decided to go a different way
mellow sphinx
good
doubt blue will come back still, he told me he wants communication to be improved before he comes back
silver zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/773155179566071848 hopefully filipe gets his way
mellow sphinx
i was jsut looking through punch's messages and found this "I feel like people may be misunderstanding the whole split roster thing. At the end of the day server owners will be able to enable/disable whatever dinosaur they want on their servers in future. However on official servers you may not have every single dinosaur to choose from, for game balancing. Which is what the rosters would refer to."
this doesnt sound like theyre NOT doing roster splitting :/
silver zephyr
iirc officials not having all dinos was always gonna happen
like massive sauropods
and super smalls
mellow sphinx
well yeah but only those massive sauropods really
silver zephyr
but at least its not whole tier splits
mellow sphinx
true
silver zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/773153040270098432 at least punch said this so the idea of locking any playables at all (large sauropods and super smalls) might be axed as well
mellow sphinx
ill probably just play unofficials so i can see player controlled camas and brachis
and yeah
silver zephyr
i think what they took from this was: people want access to all dinos
mellow sphinx
id prefer for all dinosaurs to be playable at the end of the day, but having large sauropods locked and compy is fine
silver zephyr
in officials that is
silver zephyr
imo compy playable is fine since i doubt many would play it unironically
mellow sphinx
yeah im fine with compy palayable as well, i just doubt itll happen
silver zephyr
mellow sphinx
like the AI for compy would be in small groups
silver zephyr
ye i heard about that
mellow sphinx
not sure if itd apply for player controlled compys lmao
silver zephyr
but it was gonna fuck up fps or something iirc
mellow sphinx
probably
silver zephyr
cause all of them models
mellow sphinx
oooo i see that punch practically confirmed playable diplo
ik they said they wanted a diplodocid
mellow sphinx
he said diplo model
and he said theyd probs update it
and it was in response to a comment about playable sauropods
meaning diplo/bronto will be playable
silver zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/773169958409863199 maybe this was the one he was thinking of
mellow sphinx
diplo isnt that much smaller than camarasaurus supremus so they could probs add that in as playable
yeah probably is
mellow sphinx
yep
silver zephyr
what about brachi 
strange wave
wait, was this entire debate really sparked by misinterpreting kissens admittedly dumb statement, like, while servers could have all dinosaurs enabled, officials wont have shit like brachi or probably compy
silver zephyr
officials are like the main experience 
gib all the dinos
mellow sphinx
idk why kissen wouldve brought that up in a conversation regarding allo/alberto and magy tho ngl
strange wave
although imo officials should have every dino playable
@silver zephyr spending 9 hours to grow a brachi then an additional 5 to get it all the way to elder then having a merc snipe your ass from a kilometer away isnt my cup of tea, nor is compy spy cameras in the bushes
kissen has said some, questionable things in the past then gone back on them
mellow sphinx
and what was that whole comment about "splitting it up by map", what theyre just gonna put brachi, camara and compy on a different map? lmao
silver zephyr
tbh human KOS with guns is kinda unavoidable
mellow sphinx
clearly kissen wasnt talking about the previously known ai only dinos
strange wave
honestly idk what kissen meant by that, she could have just been blanking on the word server
and just fyi, blue's alt account is still on the server
mellow sphinx
still have the same problem cuz then youd have a server with only 3 dinos
silver zephyr
and just fyi, blue's alt account is still on the server
strange wave
silver zephyr
mellow sphinx
)_)
strange wave
honestly seems like the perfect way to get the fuck out of discussing here, because, blue has been here through much much worse, like the original magy wars and such
mellow sphinx
lol yeah
silver zephyr
i fear these fabeled magy wars
blissful onyx
woah what happened to blue?
ebon crypt
Left
blissful onyx
i am going to move this to off topic
last topaz
@rare phoenix so you want a sort of call of duty skin path? or something less grindy?
rare phoenix
Can't say I've ever played cod outside the first few when I was younger - more a "good job not dying your whole life, pick a skin"
If you don't complete an elder lifecycle tough luck. The entire point was to encourage people to do a full life cycle from juvi to elder and laying down to die, and being able to choose a skin alongside perks.
frigid cosmos
me when taco
ebon crypt
Ah yes, the proto with the giant chin.
safe galleon
I like udan coconut eater 
thin stag
I'm kinda surprised no beach-dwellers have been announced yet, like
Coconut crab Ai would be fire
pallid acorn
I'm kinda surprised no beach-dwellers have been announced yet, like
@thin stag Remove your udano thing in feedback now
thin stag
No
pallid acorn
thin stag
ebon crypt
Tbh I don't know how I feel about udan. I like the beachcomber idea, but I don't know if we should be adding a new creature for that. Also, the thing is ugly as shit, I'm sorry. And I thought that proto looked weirdly proportioned. I think that we have enough ceratopsians as it is, especially if pachyrhino is also coming (I'm not sure on that one, but still)
pallid acorn
Udano is a big meme btw
safe galleon
udano isn't ugly imo
it's like a bulldog, so ugly that it's cute
thin stag
Udano isn't ugly, it just never specked into puny frills and just maxed jaw power 
ebon crypt
Nah, it's alright. Sorry if I came off as rude, kin.
safe galleon
ya'll just jealous that udano has such a manly jaw-line
thin stag
ya'll just jealous that udano has such a manly jaw-line
this
ebon crypt
More like a jaw tumor, but aight
safe galleon
jealous^^
ebon crypt
Oh, am I 
safe galleon
100%
thin stag
*Me patiently waiting for devs to consider it
outer condor
Udano more like ava
ebon crypt
No, but seriously. I don't think that there should be a new creature for a beachcomber, meme or not.
thin stag
Udano is cow-sized
outer condor
Beach creatures kinda cringe
thin stag
why tho 
silver zephyr
lack of interaction
outer condor
^
thin stag
That's like saying jungle creatures for Spiro are useless bc they are too dark and creatures that are not jungle-suited won't go in them?
Beach creatures may give players incentive to go to beaches to hunt/eat etc.
pallid acorn
But beaches make up so little of the map, it wouldn't make sense if that would be their prefered territory
thin stag
Beaches cover longs strips of land and Spiro's sand beaches are a lot shorter in width than they should be anyways
pallid acorn
I"m not saying it wouldn't be cool if the dinos liked going to the beach to eat coconuts/crabs/etc...but if that would be their main area...
Fair
silver zephyr
That's like saying jungle creatures for Spiro are useless bc they are too dark and creatures that are not jungle-suited won't go in them?
there are plenty of jungle creatures. with udano all we would have is 2 beach creatures pela and udano
thin stag
That's just adding more beach creatures tho
silver zephyr
also this feels like 1 of those examples where you shove an animal in an environment and its suddenly unique
like put tarbo on the beach
thin stag
Beach would only be able to host Mono-sized predators at most
silver zephyr
shove guanlong on the beach
thin stag
Austro might be able to get a niche on the beach, not confirmed
thin stag
It's already a piscivore so it's not too wild
ashen elm
I don't see Udano as worth 7k for just being at the beach
outer condor
Add pyroraptor and make it a beach creature see now it's unique
silver zephyr
thin stag
but why push austro onto the beaches when there is like nothing there
That's just a question of adding more beach creatures too, jungles rn are empty but when jungle creatures arrive they won't be
ashen elm
Udano also doesn't do anything Pachy and Proto can't do. Literally almost anything can headbutt a coconut tree
thin stag
Udano also doesn't do anything Pachy and Proto can't do. Literally almost anything can headbutt a coconut tree
That's why I envisioned coconuts as a food source, so herbivores have a reason to go to beaches
outer condor
Also ava could do the beach niche so why waste 7k on a new asset
ashen elm
Coconuts as a food-source is fine, but Udano isn't bringing anything new to the table
thin stag
Ava is much smaller but could also work, I just envisioned Udano being better at eating coconuts
outer condor
How big is undano
thin stag
Coconuts as a food-source is fine, but Udano isn't bringing anything new to the table
It gets a sound based ability but I guess that isn't enough
ashen elm
Udano got size nerfed so it's probably smaller than Ava
silver zephyr
what... sound tf
thin stag
How big is undano
slow stream
Udano is honestly interesting-
silver zephyr
wait why does udano need a screech. what the hell does it do for its kit
slow stream
wiki says Udanos are 13 feet long
silver zephyr
does it even make any sense at all thematically
outer condor
Udano is interesting but it has no place in the isle
silver zephyr
for what the animal is
thin stag
Why wouldn't it lmao, it's an ability it has and that's it
silver zephyr
but why
slow stream
It's jaw is as thicc as it's fucking skull
ashen elm
Why would you trust Wiki, Wiki is not very reliable
thin stag
For bigger predators it can't face
silver zephyr
give tarbo a screech attack
ashen elm
Anyway here, Udano is the second smallest
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391571526987677697/587219013831098378/unknown-8.png
It's literally Proto
silver zephyr
couldn't udano just run from bigger predators
outer condor
Bigger proto
thin stag
couldn't udano just run from bigger predators
It's too heavy to properly run from big ones
ashen elm
"heavy"
outer condor
No
thin stag
It's skull...
outer condor
So
ashen elm
What does it being a skull or not matter in terms of new/better weight estimates
outer condor
Most ceratopsids have big skulls
thin stag
It wouldn't be able to run as fast as it would need to avoid big predators lmao
It's skull that doesn't matter for weight
ashen elm
Udano could literally be a Proto skin
As a skin it's fine ig
thin stag
Bronto can I ask for where did you get Udano's new size estimate from? I literally can't find anything abt a smaller Udano
arctic nimbus
its funny cause everything Udano does could've been for Ava
ashen elm
The Ornithischian server
thin stag
Is it a dc's server?
ashen elm
Yes
thin stag
Where can I get an invite
outer condor
Dm them it
thin stag
ye
Man that is a drastic reduction, kinda sad but let's hope at least coconuts make it
And coconut crab Ai
ashen elm
The paleo-servers are useful since there are a lot of GDIs and skeletals made by reliable artists aka Franoys, Random, Sassy, etc...
thin stag
I'm kinda surprised no websites have updated Udano's size since it's been there since July lmao 
ashen elm
cisiopurple, the artist you linked, is usually reliable but he does dozens of commissions/estimates so if something changes or updates it takes awhile for him to get back to it. That's what happened with Udano.
thin stag
What's the biggest leptoceratopsid now so I can rename every mention of Udano to it?
ashen elm
Hmm I actually don't know lol. Leptoceratopsids are not my area, but I specifically remembered Udano because I remember it being discussed awhile ago on that server.
thin stag
Hmmm... I'll have to go search for one then and the weirder, the better
When every leptoceratopsid is Proto-sized
ashen elm
lol leptoceratopsids were definitely filling a specific niche
If a Ceratopsidae ever got cow size 99% of time it was probably a derived Ceratopsid
maiden anvil
@languid cairn as long as a body slam isn’t too strong, Im cool. I’d prefer a kick with one of its back legs and the current box attack it has in legacy. I also like to mention the para isn’t suppose to be good at defending it self in a fight so not too strong
paper oriole
Shoulder check to knock predators off balance during a chase
paper oriole
Para spit? Lmao no
That would be stupid asf, they should make use of para's booming calls and heavy body, not copypaste hypsi spit onto it
shadow stream
para fishing when
paper oriole
Firebreathing para when
warped tapir
@golden tide you do realise herrera is a thing right?
golden tide
@warped tapir yes i do Gecko
warped tapir
@silver zephyr @golden tide you said mega could climb trees, witch takes the niche of herrera
outer condor
Ehhh
golden tide
Only juvi
outer condor
I don't see juvie megas jumping on creatures
warped tapir
well then herrera should be able to kill juvi mega, so that its a risk going into the trees
outer condor
Juvie megas climbing trees is fine
ashen wasp
[in a tree]
29% Growth
30% Growth
[plummets to the forest floor]
shadow stream
Lmfao
barren zephyr
Literally my point was making plain biomes richer what the fuck @worn token
Instead of just dunes, biomes with colorful secondary vegetation like scrubs, cacti, flowers and bushes
vast heart
Why does acro has such a giant head
valid ledge
Is it just me or recently the heads on the redesigns are huge
valid ledge
And the Alberto has a tiny body
They all kinda do
But particularly the Alberto has a tiny body
silver dagger
The body doesn't need to be too stretched out, seemed more like the arm position needed to shift and then a whole lot of stretching out the neck and downsizing the head. At least for how I like it lol
valid ledge
Or that
cobalt parcel
alberto got his head bashed in
vast heart
Damn look at what they did to acro
cobalt parcel
what is that TUMOR on it's neck
arctic nimbus
Acro is thiccc 🥵 🥵
cobalt parcel
its okay for it to be thick, gives character, but i cant get behind the no-neck and giant tumor
vast heart
Idk if a giant head and a bulldog's neck is healthy
valid ledge
I like the scales in its neck just I don’t like how thick he is
cobalt parcel
yeah
silver zephyr
imagine using the virgin first angle instead of the chad second angle
vast heart
The neck is too short, head too big, body is also too short
The tail also seems to be quite short
fading cloak
I really don't like the acro/alberto concepts. Way too movie-monster for my taste.
vast heart
Idk about movie monster, I just think that they barely look like rl animals
They look like figures
Big heads
valid ledge
And obviously the Austros head is way out of proportion
vast heart
Small bodies
valid ledge
Chibi dinos
valid ledge
Yup
strange wave
outlined the acro muscles
vast wolf
bottom one looks like carchar.
cobalt parcel
i dont rlly see it
vast wolf
vast heart
Most carcharodontosaurus reconstructions usually use acro as a reference too
vast wolf
vast heart
(Even tho acro is far more basal)
silver dagger
The neck lump thing on acro is starting to grow on me. Maybe I just need to give both designs a day or so and see how I feel looking at them again. Though I'm probably going to stick with my guns on the alberto proportions being too truncated.
vast wolf
acros crests feel too big and its neck needs to be as far from the spine as its back. would look better with those ridge like spikes on the neck instead of the elephantine skin.
cobalt parcel
i can agree that it might grow on me. i just feel they are exaggerating things a bit much
vast wolf
the neck definitely needs to be longer.
on both of them.
and both need smaller skulls.
vast heart
Idc about the designs being quite thick, but damn why do they have to have such odd proportions
cobalt parcel
yeah
vast wolf
best proportions
lilac swallow
I doubt they even use references, they just go "I thinks that's how the proportions were"
vast heart
Foolish that is perfect
cobalt parcel
@manic venture wow that is a lot better
silver dagger
I'm sure references were used, and I'm also sure the proportions were changed on purpose. Just don't know if I like it lol
vast heart
They made acro a bulldog
vast heart
Short neck and legs
vast wolf
it makes acro look really fat and makes alberto look like its tipping over.
cobalt parcel
lilac swallow
Fucking acro looks stronger than rex
cobalt parcel
credit to @manic venture ^
vast wolf
i still dont like the face.
manic venture
thanks ❤️
silver dagger
I'm fine with the face personally.
cobalt parcel
looks way better, good job foolish
vast wolf
its face really gives me orca vibes.
it also seems to be a reocuring thing with the latest 3 theropods. all look like strains.
vast heart
Oh yeah the face looks pretty cool
vast wolf
acro looks almost like a lightly armored hypo and austro looks emaciated.
silver dagger
Them looking like strains might be a decision for theropods to transition into hypers, I think. Like the elders have all looked like they're well on their way to being a strain.
vast wolf
we dont know if any other animals aside from utah rex spino giga and carno will get strains tho.
tbf that acro concept would be a good elder model.
manic venture
You know what the Acro reminds me of? An old chunky Labrador
silver dagger
But yeah, we'll have to see if they keep the same hyper-esque nature to all the new designs whether or not they're gonna have a type-H version of each one.
outer condor
Fat dog
vast wolf
at first glance i thought austro was a tisso.
languid cairn
@Epic Scalur The idea that an animal must be bad at defending itself and thus reduced to a walking meal is a poor one and should be rectified. That why Pachy gets so little action on Legacy and Magy is so heavily scrutinized. The point behind the body slam is that Para will be able to defend itself very effectively.
vast wolf
the background concepts look much better than the one in the front.
cobalt parcel
the lump on acro's neck could be added for the elder 
vast wolf
thats why the head looks so weird. the crest is bowed outward instead of inward. makes it look rounded and fatter.
cobalt parcel
yes
vast wolf
it should be shaped like a wedge instead of like dilos crest.
cobalt parcel
ive just decided that i dont like the new giga model. just me?
vast wolf
the armor plates are a bit much but the skull is nice.
vast heart
I like the giga, but I feel that the osteoderms are too much
It makes tyrannosaurus design feel to flat
vast wolf
if anything spino should have had them.
vast wolf
infinitely better than what we got.
cobalt parcel
oh my god that is sooo cool
vast heart
I really like the new spino, mainly because of the head shape
(Not that I dont like accurate spino, I like both animals)
cobalt parcel
did tapwing actually do that??
vast wolf
I really like the new spino, mainly because of the head shape
sub rex with spino kink moment.
yep thats something tap did.
cobalt parcel
MAN i love both the spino we have and that one
vast wolf
paper oriole
): that sspino concept is so much cooler than what we got
cobalt parcel
like dont get me wrong i love the spino we got but WOW that concept is SO cool
vast wolf
if you look at the snout theres a line and if you cover the tip of the upper jaw its got a sub rex skull in its face.
vast heart
Nice edit penguin, but I would make the neck have a more notorious S shape
paper oriole
im too lazy fo dat lol
vast wolf
should i repost my idea to bring back the type A and type B spinos?
A for aquatic and B for apex.
vast heart
Why couldn't the spino get a cool tail fluke 👊😔
vast wolf
it has a similar tail.
paper oriole
there should only be one spino and it should be the one in the concept instead of our long legged rex cosplayer spino
vast heart
It just has a crocodile tail
cobalt parcel
dondi loves jurassic park too much to change it 😔
vast wolf
i do like how spino has a lot of weight in its neck when it walks.
cobalt parcel
i love both designed personally
paper oriole
jp spino was one of the most disgusting designs
cobalt parcel
ik but ✨ nostalgia✨
paper oriole
worse than the beef jerky shrinkwrap rex
vast wolf
we could have both like the origional idea for them to be split.
ones more aquatic the others an apex.
cobalt parcel
give us TWO spinos
vast heart
The design is not bad considering that spinosaurines were pretty fragmentary back then so they could only use baryonyx and suchomimus as references
paper oriole
ik but its hideous
vast heart
Also this is what I mean by tail fluke (complete skeletal made by SpinoInWonderland)
vast wolf
vast heart
Oh god what is that skeletal mrgharial
cobalt parcel
man i cant stop looking at that tapwing spino
vast wolf
old
paper oriole
if we got chad short leg spino he coulda had a tail attack where he stood on quad and bitch slapped you in the face with his paddle tail
spank attack
vast wolf
that spino is from the day the paper on the tail came out.
cobalt parcel
spank attack
paper oriole
spankosaurus
vast heart
@wanton root (sorry for the @) but I wouldn't use GAT skeletal, it uses juvenile proportions (I wouldn't use GAT skeletals at all, they usually have odd proportions)
This one from randomdinos is better
silver dagger
That's the skeletal I used for the arm placement and neck length too.
outer condor
Ew
vast wolf
what the fuck is that.
vast heart
GetAwayTrike's spinosaurus skeletal
vast wolf
i can see 3 issues alreeady