It came across as such so good job??? LOL
#general-feedback-discussion
shy spade
Also, that's true @safe galleon
But if we do stats at all, people are going to via discord and other devices anyhow
safe galleon
Also what do you mean by stats? Pretty sure all adults are gonna have the same stats unless perks change them altough we don’t know exactly what the perks will do
shy spade
I was referring to perks. Whatever the perks will do. I am not entirely certain but we know they will benefit the dinosaur. Either way, that dinosaur will be more attractive than someone without perks.
gray loom
Just so I understand, we will be able to play apexs in the future right? The way it sounded in the devblog was that they were only adding apexs as ai
terse hornet
hooo man for a second I thought that Abzu suggestion was asking the devs to add Flowerhorn to the ai fish list
ngl flowerhorn would be awesome but unlikely
frigid cosmos
@cinder plank install both
molten tulip
How
frigid cosmos
i can dm u the way
covert birch
the trap part and hatchet part is cursed
The other 3 things tho 👌
strange wave
honestly just grasping at straws to make it a thing, was originally just the taco quills one for troodon
lethal silo
definite no on the traps and weapons
the sticks/rocks for getting hard to reach food isnt bad, though
strange wave
it was originally for an animal that would look less stupid doing it
covert birch
doesnt matter
lethal silo
idc about the animal the idea in general just seems bad
covert birch
weapons and traps are trash
lethal silo
we dont need dinosaurs using weaps and traps that the humans job
covert birch
Only "trap" i wouldnt mind is like some trapdoor spider thing
strange wave
ok that we can agree on
lethal silo
lmfao land deino
strange wave
i was gonna put something even stupider on there, fucking makeshift pitfall, i came to some sort of sense before then
sudden hinge
Tools is a stretch
strange wave
ik
tidal star
Bork ur idea is great but how would the devs ever add something so complicated for one dino
strange wave
i dont expect them to
lethal silo
i could maybe see something like rotting trees with broken sticks all around it, and only certain dinos are able to grab the sticks off the ground and use it to pry bark off the tree, revealing a small insect feast
thats about it tho
glossy steeple
i refuse to accept a dewlap-less isle giga
covert birch
sadly magy wont be dropping scales cuz no model deformation or whatever
but what if instead of osteoderms they become poisonous pimples that explode when bitten on
glossy steeple
my friends I have made some small adjustments to the new giga model
this is the currently flawed model
and here it is, beautifully upgraded
glossy steeple
this is just a demonstration
i don’t know what else to do to get my point across
isle giga just isn’t isle giga without the funny dewlap
night mountain
its true it made it look less like just weird rex
glossy steeple
i will not stop until dewlaps are added
glossy steeple
also what
dapper pulsar
Ovi Mimicry is popular because Saurian Anzu is in the back of every single person's mind at all times.
glossy steeple
sir we are talking about a giga dewlap
covert birch
instead of troodon who has little to no use of it
glossy steeple
im begging just make new giga look more like the giga we all know and love
covert birch
Tentacle
Your using the wrong big nosed animal
glossy steeple
cause now it looks kinda generic
covert birch
I prefer the new giga model
except the back and crest
glossy steeple
covert birch
the female in the concept art looks a lot less deformed imo
dapper pulsar
i like mimicry on ovi a lot better tbh
@night mountain
But, they're like... almost the same animal.
covert birch
How is ovi anything like troodon
glossy steeple
mfw
night mountain
wat
glossy steeple
oviraptor is the same as troodon when pigs fly
covert birch
what if giga got bat nose
dapper pulsar
I meant Anzu.
night mountain
yES
glossy steeple
imagine hiding in a bush and giga pulls up and sniffs you with its meter long nose
mfw my paragraph gets sent into the shadow realm
glossy steeple
so basically herbi troodon
silver zephyr
omni
covert birch
magy just has venom blood like xenomorphs
covert birch
looking at the legacy model next to the new model
i must say i much prefer the body of the legacy model but the head of the new one
except the spikes
think they are a lil nice detail on the body
glossy steeple
they made giga hunched over
narrow ingot
I don't care for the dewlep on giga..i actually like the new better and prefer it tbh.
covert birch
Sour what
glossy steeple
oh
narrow ingot
So whats the reasoning for magy dropping its scales off when attacked. Im confused. I don't get why it needs to that..not against it...but just very much confused.
glossy steeple
escape mechanism
valid zephyr
I'd defo like the giga 'beard' to return.
paper oriole
Tar and mud hazards would be neat especially as a way for tiny dinos to screw over fat ass mid tiers and apexes who would sink very quickly once they are in
If exotic plants that are good enough to lure herbi players in spawn there though i dont think corpse spawning is necessary, as bodies would probably accumulate naturally through clumsy herbis going for the herbs and clumsy carnis going for the bodies of the herbis
barren zephyr
Tar pits would be amazing!
sudden hinge
Yeah tar pits would be dope definitely wouldn’t mind them in the game
silent current
^
safe galleon
@pallid burrow I think it's to prevent herbis from tracking down and killing other players
pallid burrow
But they can't smell blood anyway
safe galleon
think more footprints
pallid burrow
So if you got hit by a trike and ran it would have a hard time tracking you
ebon crypt
Honestly, if it's possible, they could just reduce the sniff range and make footprints unsniffable while walking as a herbi
pallid burrow
Or if something is running away from a herbi, the tracks could look like the thing was walking away. Like how each footprint is a rex length away from each other.
valid zephyr
Yeah it's to stop herbis following other dinos footprints to track them down and kill them.
covert birch
@warped tapir that whole thing was disproven
vast wolf
^
warped tapir
._.
vast wolf
years ago.
mellow maple
I thought so for a time too. But that was legacy in mind.
I was like "Why does Allo have 300. It should be weaker because of its bleed!!!"
mellow sphinx
No map wide group system because it doesn’t promote having to stick together and it’s kind of easy mode
It also doesn’t promote any actual knowledge of the map, just click a button and beeline for a friend. Having proximity grouping means you need to at least have a basic understanding of direction and navigation to find friends which I like
flat crypt
That operates under the assumption that you already have communication with the people you want to group with so you can at least tell them what your location is. Which works fine in that situation, but lets face it. The majority of players aren't exactly playing with friends on discord. They're playing with whoever they can find because there's safety in numbers in this game
The majority of servers have rules against location dropping in global chat which imo is quite understandable. If you can't let people know where you are, how are you meant to find anyone?
If there was dedicated hotspots like there is in legacy it wouldn't be quite as big of an issue. But It seems the current direction they're aiming for is that players will be constantly on the move, never staying in one spot for too long
I agree we should encourage players to understand and know the map, but I'm not really sure this is the best way about it
covert birch
People actually being on the move and having to actively search for people is much better then people camping hotspots
And will increase player interaction across a much larger area then it being held to like 5 spots
flat crypt
I do agree with that. Constantly moving is more dynamic and honestly makes gameplay more fun. I've always enjoyed the game when I'm travelling. But then it loops back around to it being hard to locate people. Because if your pack or herd is just a small group of people, on a map this size what are the chances of you actually getting close enough to group?
covert birch
and even then there will be points of interest you can pass by while searching for more food and players
By "this map size"
are you refering the the current quadrant or the entire thing
flat crypt
Even with this current quadrant, but also the entire map
covert birch
the issue rn is due to the fact there arent any players
barren zephyr
hypo carno impaling things chad
covert birch
the current quadrent is between thenyaw and v3 sized
which 75 people can fill very well if people actually played the game
The entire map though is an issue ofc
flat crypt
The current playable section of the map is still pretty decently sized. Even with a full 200 players, the chance of running into players of your own species/groupable species is still statistically not in your favour
vast wolf
people dont play because theres nothing to do and the playstyles are horrible.
covert birch
but migratory paths that herbis need to follow for their preferred food would increase that interaction too
flat crypt
IDK but as someone who usually plays a herbi in herds I'm just worried about how this new grouping system will impact herding if you're constantly trying and failing to even find people
vast wolf
tenonto cant really do much without cc dryo is just run and utah is the only predator.
covert birch
If 75 people were spread across the current map
You would find 1 or 2 people every idk 10 mins
Which imo is much better then what the current legacy maps entail which is
Entire map = empty and only 3 spots have players
vast wolf
yeah legacy only has high densitys of players at twins herbie hill and great falls on v3.
covert birch
if people actively move around
And are doing things which cause players to find em (calling n such)
Then you will encounter people
flat crypt
I mean I agree that the hotspot system is bad. But at least with the hotspot system, finding players is predictable to a certain degree and not up to luck
covert birch
Adding people to your group shouldnt necessarily be predictable
Unless you are nesting
flat crypt
I think it depends on what you're playing tbh
covert birch
this new roaming thing will actually get people to make the map feel more alive
Especially by actively using 1 calls
flat crypt
I wouldn't mind how grouping works being different for different animals
for example, it should be hard for rexes to find companions, they're already strong enough on their own. But what about smaller weaker animals which need the protection/strength of a herd/pack?
covert birch
Animals shouldnt be balanced around groups
Every animal needs to be able to survive on their own, ofc groups would make it easier but it should be a necessity
mellow sphinx
Yeah on the current map, with 200 people you’d find people constantly just saying
flat crypt
There are certain animals in which grouped playstyle is actively encouraged though is the thing
covert birch
Nycta back when it was full on evrima i found people commonly
mellow sphinx
200 is too much for current map
flat crypt
So why shouldn't it be easier for them?
covert birch
It would be easier for them
since most of those animals are smaller and traverse the map much easier
and are at less of a risk when calling since they can get out of dodge much easier
mellow sphinx
I honestly wouldn’t mind certain group orientated animals having a special grouping system to make it easier
As apart of their kit
covert birch
Imo something like para can have like
A super long range global chat it 1 calls when typing in
as a way to warn players/make it easier to find groups
hell thats what its crest was used for
mellow sphinx
Yeah that could work
flat crypt
I get where yall are coming from, I'm just a bit apprehensive is all. The devs haven't exactly got a perfect track record when it comes to balancing. I'm hopeful they can pull it off but I easily forsee this grouping system just being needlessly frustrating
covert birch
Idk personally prefer the new group system
makes the game a bit harder where ya actually have to search for people
instead of just "Press a for x dino group"
Kinda similar to how it plays on officials where it lacks global and ya either just group with friends on discord or meet up with randos you find by 1 calling every so often
mellow sphinx
Isla Spero is the only map I really see having this issue
mellow sphinx
Spiro won’t be that big though, only a bit bigger than V3
It’s not 2x it’s like 16x16 opposed to V3 being 15x15
covert birch
Barbary
the quadrant we play on is between v3 and thenyaw sized
that x4= about 2x
flat crypt
Hmm I think that's why I'd like it as an option for server owners yknow. I get some people want this game to be super hardcore and challenging, but personally that's not what I'm interested in. I like being able to easily group up with herbivores, socialise and fight back against carnivores
I think allowing customisation to benefit a wide range of playstyles and preferences has more pros than cons
covert birch
Im not a fan of the option since it just turns a majority of the servers into dino chat rooms instead of like
an actual world n such
flat crypt
Then you don't need to play those servers. There would totally be some that wouldn't have it enabled, and imo it makes sense for the official servers to have current grouping too
covert birch
They are implemnting smaller maps too if larger ones are hte problems
plus the old grouping system imo just tosses away the need for an actual 1 call
Just invite people instead of having to actually look for em
or instead of trying your luck at a hotspot
silver zephyr
if you want to easily get together with other herbis get nested in
flat crypt
i dont want their nasty skins thanks lol
covert birch
We have no idea how nesting will work customization wise
flat crypt
everyone but me has terrible tastes in skins smh
covert birch
iirc it was mentioned you can choose colors combos from the parents
flat crypt
But again, i say: options are good
covert birch
Options are good imo as long as they keep the base game the same
which a dinosaur chatroom type thing imo doesnt keep the base games idea the same
flat crypt
The entire point of options is to pander to a wide range of tastes. Chatroom style isn't your thing, that's cool. And there will be servers for you.
Like, its not my thing either, im not trying to defend it. I like action more. But I don't think that easier grouping automatically = chatroom
covert birch
being able to converse with people across the map without problem and knowing instantly where they are at all times and not having to actually meet up imo just would lead it into that
you already see it in legacy, especially when global is already in existance
flat crypt
I think that really depends on server and what you play though? I mean if you like carnivore, I don't think it ever turns into something like that, not in my experience
And with herbivores it depends on what herd you find
covert birch
In legacy it does if you just camp ai
But luckily that wont occur in evrima
flat crypt
IDK what servers you're playing on where people group but don't actually meet up lol
Like I get where you're coming from but I don't think it's as big of a concern? Compared to grouping being frustrating and difficult
covert birch
I used to play on LFAW a lot
moment we started "overpacking"
We just split up and 1 group went over to twins or something
And people just talked instead of actually playing the game
also occured when people nested
hell it happens in officials from time to time too
Groups split up and scout for the other half across the map
And use that long distance finding thing to deal as much carnage as possible
Whether they are a herbi or carni
flat crypt
And that's your experience. In most servers I've played though, unless they're nesting carnivores are on the move, and herbivores will be chatting until carnivores come along. It helps to play on servers that encourage PVP
Plus imo, the less hotspot driven, migration and movement focus of evrima will limit it too
People just won't have time to idly sit around and chat if they have to keep moving
covert birch
I doubt the migration focused thing will call for constant movement
flat crypt
the chatroom experience is partly a product of the hotspots, because people can sit and do nothing but talk in global
covert birch
Yes global does play a major role in it
Which imo the way the new grouping (and new nesting if it does go to the select screen)
Will cause more servers overall to just lack global since all uses for it are kinda going down the drain
mellow sphinx
I see carnivore packs split up over maps all the time in legacy
covert birch
IE the whole x for egg y for group thing
makes finding people to attack way easier barbary yea
flat crypt
I just don't see a good reason to not have the option for easier grouping
Cus like here's the thing. Very rarely do you find multiplayer focused games that make finding people difficult
In fact in games where that's been the case, it's often been a major critisism (ala no mans sky)
People want to be able to play with other people, and I think limiting their ability to have access to that isn't the direction a multiplayer game should be taking
covert birch
Thats the thing though
This isnt making finding people that much more difficult
If you are actively moving when you having nothing else to do
And 1 call every so often you are bound to find a group or make your own
The exceedingly large maps is the main issue for finding actual players imo
and less the grouping systems
flat crypt
You are moving, but so is everyone else. Maybe you're getting closer, maybe you're getting further away
mellow sphinx
People seem to really over exaggerate how hard it is to find people on the current map, even with 50 players
I find people pretty often
covert birch
people are always at hotspots on the current map
its literally the same as legacy hotspot wise
mellow sphinx
Yea
flat crypt
IDK I've played a fair bit of evrima, and on populated servers too. It is tough
I mean sure you're run into the occasional player every now and again. But rarely do I manage to form large groups
covert birch
I find players constantly when in evrima
but again, thats due to the fact people are always at A: the swamps around the big rock or B: the souther swamps
I was in a teno group of like 20 people the last week
Utah packs on average i see reach about 5-10 people
flat crypt
I did manage to form a large teno herd after one of the updates, but that's the only case I can think of
covert birch
Teno herds i always see about 4-5 on average
mellow sphinx
I see large groups all the time in evrima as it stands due to hotspots
flat crypt
And we're just limited to a small section of the map. If it was a bit less featureless maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but the full sized map is still a concern
covert birch
hell only animal i normally see in lower numbers (1-2) it dryo
But thats prolly cuz its so easy to grow the overall stronger herbi atm
flat crypt
I'm not trying to like, force everyone to play on servers with easier grouping. But I don't see why it's a bad thing to have as an option. For some people, easily being able to meet up and play together is what they want
covert birch
Personally i think having this option would instantly cause most servers to go back to the route they took in legacy
Which is the main reason im against it
flat crypt
IDK I can think of servers that likely wouldn't have it. There's plenty that like to push that realism angle
covert birch
eys they try to push the realism angle
Then they enforce rules which aint even close to realistic lol
flat crypt
In fact I bet realism and semi-realism servers are where you're less likely to see this option. I imagine pvp servers however would so its easier to meet up and fight
covert birch
I highly doubt that
especially since most of these "realism" servers have global which in itself isnt realistic
They also have rules which dont make much sense from a realistic standard such as things stopping herbivores from being aggressive n such
flat crypt
They're superficially realistic, but this form of grouping is exactly the kind of thing I can see them taking too :P
But yeah. I gotta go to bed now but I stand by what I've said. I get where you're coming from, but I don't see letting people play in ways that suits them is a bad thing
I like being able to meet up easily and chat because I can't exactly do much of that atm with our current world situation :P
covert birch
@lilac swallow the original plan of the no apex rule turned into
smalls only but apex ai
Then they explained why stego is being added as a playable apex this early in the devlog where its already mostly complete due to how much work it had that was done as ai that it can fit easily in as playable
I expect they are just going to gimp its stats until more apexs are in for a temp time
but i do agree anky didnt need to go rhino
lilac swallow
@lilac swallow the original plan of the no apex rule turned into
smalls only but apex ai
Then they explained why stego is being added as a playable apex this early in the devlog where its already mostly complete due to how much work it had that was done as ai that it can fit easily in as playableI expect they are just going to gimp its stats until more apexs are in for a temp time
@covert birch i hope its true the last part
dim umbra
Punch yesterday wrote that stego is Not an apex
lilac swallow
i posted 4 cases, 2 of them covers stego not being apex level
silver zephyr
punch iirc said he doesn't consider stego an apex. doesnt mean its actually true could just be a matter of opinion.
but idk
covert birch
punch iirc said he doesn't consider stego an apex. doesnt mean its actually true could just be a matter of opinion.
pretty sure the devs dont call big herbis apexs and call them keystones or somethin
silver zephyr
chad elder perks vs virgin growth perks
sudden hinge
I dig that suggestion about the perk system Blue
silver zephyr
thats how I feel as well
mellow sphinx
I hope you’re not able to reach elder through commands honestly
Admins will just abuse it and get all possible perks on their dino by growing to max elder, dying, choosing a perk and repeat until they have all
valid zephyr
Rather than saying apex just say large tier or something.
And yeah stego seems odd to add now, but apparently it's because the model/animations were a lot furthur along.
I do worry about how it will interact with the ecosystem. Either it ends up practically unkillable in update 2, or it's huntable by utahs as kissen said, and then when rexes and allo arrive it's just dead meat.
lilac swallow
And yeah stego seems odd to add now, but apparently it's because the model/animations were a lot furthur along.
@valid zephyr but Rex got lol noed and is as complete, (not saying I want Rex now, rather that it simply makes not sense)
silver zephyr
mfw kissens response to it being hunted by utahs and carnos was a snide remark cause they are literally the only carnis who could technically hunt it in update 2
molten tulip
I think it works considering its a direct balance to carno being added
silver zephyr
also imo I think stego was somewhat necessary so deino had a large prey option
valid zephyr
i think the main difference between stego and rex, is stego can't chase things down.
molten tulip
Not like carno, but something carno can't kill easily
valid zephyr
it's why they're willing to add deino in update 3
silver zephyr
at least deino and stego are the least bad large tier dinos
molten tulip
Also makes tenontosaurus not alone as a big herbi
valid zephyr
anky, stego, and deino i see as being the least abusable
though anky has no model that we've seen yet
covert birch
i unironically think trike would be hte least abusable
Since well it has more open weak spots compared to stego whos entire sides and back and some part of head is covered by its tail
both are still practically immortal if balanced for their tier though
valid zephyr
trike is faster and has a frontal attack though
people use trike for hunting squads
covert birch
Frontal attack doesnt help much when you have faster more nimble animals who can go round n bite your flanks with ease
strange wave
good luck getting a trike hunting squad to chase down a pack of carnos
valid zephyr
maybe it's changed in evrima, but carnos and utahs were not a threat to trikes on legacy
covert birch
BUt, trike is also practically immune to deino
silver zephyr
although stego is better for something for deino to eat
covert birch
maybe it's changed in evrima, but carnos and utahs were not a threat to trikes on legacy
in legacy trikes hitboxes were missles
strange wave
maybe it's changed in evrima, but carnos and utahs were not a threat to trikes on legacy
@valid zephyr mfw broken hitboxes and busted weight mechanic
valid zephyr
could also run through the trike hitbox biting as you went. getting caught on a trike hitbox in evrima means death probrably.
dilos going to get a huge nerf now they can't phase.
covert birch
Dilo is going to be a midtier controller at most now
Apexs maybe in super packs
but that applies to most animals
strange wave
but in evrima trike does have many things going for it
arctic nimbus
its funny how dilo bleeding out things might be more realistic because of their serrated teeth. Not that it should be kept.
strange wave
like, collision and locational damage will help immensely
honest sparrow
“Are you tired of dealing with pesky allo mains, try dilo!”
covert birch
like im not saying trike is an easy kill
I just think a pack of smalls would do better against a trike then against a stego who can cover most of its body with its tail
strange wave
agreed
vast wolf
defensive animals in general will get buffed with collision.
strange wave
and, wasnt trike further along than steg?
covert birch
yes
lilac swallow
Stego is more glass canonish, it's easier to kill given its lower hp, but also kills you easier
vast wolf
trike was the testbed yes.
covert birch
Now stego is farther along
for some reason
Idk why they didnt go with trike the already more completed animal
vast wolf
stego has overtaken it due to it being worked on for ai.
valid zephyr
because they decided on stego AI
covert birch
yea but why not trike ai is the question
strange wave
well, stego ai would make more sense against sucho and deino, because they needed something to hunt aswell
honest sparrow
Too big?
vast wolf
trike is even more massive.
covert birch
Stegos big again so 🤷
strange wave
then ai decided to go off and break itself
covert birch
yes
ai got fucked once again
vast wolf
sucho can eat fish.
strange wave
and now we got stego
honest sparrow
At the time of trike stego was still small iirc
strange wave
sucho can eat fish.
@vast wolf and rex can eat avas
do people want rex to survive off avas alone? no
vast wolf
pretty sure a half ton fish will feed a 4-5 ton predator.
strange wave
pfft
lilac swallow
And trike can eat inmobile bushes but I don't see anyone saying trike should be weak
vast wolf
sucho is meant to eat small animals and fish.
strange wave
ahahha no, none of the fish we have are anywhere near that large
vast wolf
the coelacanth is.
strange wave
its not mawsonia
covert birch
nobody is legendary
molten tulip
Was there any clarification on deino's underwater playstyle
honest sparrow
Lurker
vast wolf
modern coelacanths are massive.
arctic nimbus
sturgeons
molten tulip
I've gathered that it would be stealth but you can just turn the camera underwater and see stuff around you
strange wave
Was there any clarification on deino's underwater playstyle
@molten tulip eat things disturbing the water surface that shouldnt be there
covert birch
the argument was that smalls would kill trike more effectively then stego cuz stegos tail covers most of its body while trikes defenses are only situated on its front
vast wolf
nvm was pretty sure coelacanth weighed half a ton.
covert birch
still a difficult fight
just one has more points you can attack with less risk
vast wolf
even still catching a few fish is much more energy effiecnt than taking down an animal as big if not larger than yourself.
strange wave
hmm
covert birch
do we know how large the coelocanths we are getting are
honest sparrow
Depends on the coelacanth
vast wolf
not for sure.
im guessing they will be about the weight of dryo so that spino and sucho can somewhat sustain off them.
like 500 kilograms.
molten tulip
Only thing about adding sucho now is time
strange wave
even still catching a few fish is much more energy effiecnt than taking down an animal as big if not larger than yourself.
@vast wolf rex catching a bunch of ava's is more energy efficient than hunting a trike, but do they always go for the smaller and less filling prey?
covert birch
@charred nova
(1)Sucho Is water based and is quite slow so it wouldnt impact the main ecosystem that much except for the swamps>
sucho can still go on land and fuck shit up lol
But yes bigger fish should be added with more proper fishers later on in like update 9/10
honest sparrow
Also depends on how common fish are in general
molten tulip
Idk how far along they are with sucho at all, but polishing fish ai may take a while
vast wolf
rex is built for large game sucho is not.
covert birch
Good thing nothing ingame is large game
honest sparrow
Doesn’t mean it still can’t take it on
charred nova
Yea Blue thats what i hope around update 9 to 10
covert birch
Sucho can still take on everything in the roadmap with ease
except stego/deino
vast wolf
sucho was 6/45 last we saw.
charred nova
Me when sucho could get its animations ported over
vast wolf
sucho is also slow enough that it wont be much of a threat to many of the animals.
covert birch
Me when sucho could get its animations ported over
it cant
Every animal has a diff rigging
honest sparrow
Sucho could act as a sub adult deino gatekeeper
strange wave
Me when sucho could get its animations ported over
@charred nova no, new rig, and not one person with a third of a braincell wants old suchos slow ass
vast wolf
yeah new rig + needed locomotion updates.
covert birch
sucho is also slow enough that it wont be much of a threat to many of the animals.
doesnt stop it from being immortal
vast wolf
sucho will still be slow but likely not as slow as legacy.
charred nova
Dryo literally got its animations ported over
vast wolf
honest sparrow
Perish
covert birch
it being slow doesnt stop it from being immortal
Which is the issue of animals of this size being added this early
vast wolf
adult deinos could in theory kill adult suchos.
honest sparrow
Size in itself is a defence
vast wolf
it wouldent be easy but its possible.
covert birch
yes
But why go in the water when you can go on land and bully shit off food
strange wave
big arms do you also forget, deino doesnt need a gatekeeper
vast wolf
a lot more possible than an adult deino getting killed by anything on the roadmap.
strange wave
thing is already a fucking vegetable
strange wave
deino is less of an issue than sucho and stego
thin stag
Carno and Cera shouldn't hunt near water anyways
vast wolf
sucho has the same problems as deino except it can sustain itself better but is more vulnerable to deino.
strange wave
Carno and Cera shouldn't hunt near water anyways
@thin stag you ignore that they still have to drink
thin stag
But not hunt there lmao
strange wave
sucho has the same problems as deino except it can sustain itself better but is more vulnerable to deino.
@vast wolf deino unlike sucho, is basically waterlocked
covert birch
Why not lettuce
vast wolf
even still sucho does not fit the roster at all right now but we need a fisher.
honest sparrow
Sucho is deino but it can go wherever and is vulnerable to deino
covert birch
What is stopping carno and cerato from killing something near the water
not in it
near it
strange wave
But not hunt there lmao
@thin stag sucho isnt waterlocked my man, it can go piss off and steal their shit
covert birch
Doesnt stop sucho from being immortal this early
strange wave
^
vast wolf
austro is in need of a good concept and bary still needs one straight up.
honest sparrow
It’s just a spinosaurid head on a normal theropod body- Nova
thin stag
Sucho is defenetely not apt for an early release
strange wave
just like stego problems but more of an issue because sucho is probably faster
covert birch
Yes
Which is what we are saying
Update 10 imo would be best
cuz i expect like allos n shit to be in 9
vast wolf
sucho is confirmed slow. its old card in the roadmap said it would have low stamina and be slow.
honest sparrow
But how slow is slow
molten tulip
keeping update 3 as it is would make it roll out faster since everything on it has been in progress for a while now
honest sparrow
Which again, raises problems
vast wolf
probably faster than rex but not even close to cerato or allo.
strange wave
gharial, rex is really fucking quick
covert birch
Yes ofc not
still doesnt stop sucho from being immortal if added now
vast wolf
keeping update 3 as it is would make it roll out faster since everything on it has been in progress for a while now
(except the fish ai)
covert birch
fish ai we were told is easier then the other ai
honest sparrow
I’d say just divert shit to bary
covert birch
yes
honest sparrow
Problem solved 
molten tulip
Hasn't amarok been working on fish in streams
vast wolf
rex is running at 36kmph which is ok for it being an ambush predator with no ambush.
covert birch
but too bad bary has literally nothing except that ancient
"bary needs a redo" quote
vast wolf
^
strange wave
and update delayed ptera
thin stag
Fish are dumb so fish AI gets away for being dumb
vast wolf
bary concept when.
covert birch
^
honest sparrow
It fits a size range only occupied by dilo and cera really, and fits the fisher criteria
But bary 2023 
covert birch
bary would be pretty strong current roadmap roster wise yea
vast wolf
1.4 tons lowest estimates.
covert birch
2nd largest animal not including the apexs
vast wolf
up to 2.5 tons.
covert birch
2.5 ton bary is literally sub sucho
vast wolf
yep
honest sparrow
Smoll bary or riot
covert birch
at least the 1.4 ton one can be made into the more land animal one
vast wolf
thats why 1.4 tons is better.
i can see bary being able to fight cerato but neither should win every time.
thin stag
Small bary might get away as a Beipi predator
vast wolf
basically like rex vs spino.
charred nova
Bary would be pog
honest sparrow
Or sucho vs acro 😔
covert birch
bary vs cerato should be rex vs spino
Slappers vs mouthers
covert birch
please dont add beipi until diets are in
vast wolf
yeah
covert birch
omnis pre diets are cursed
honest sparrow
We need diets for omnis
vast wolf
we need diets period.
strange wave
blue there is a relatively simple fix to that beipi issue
covert birch
shut
covert birch
what
honest sparrow
Schlorp
thin stag
I don't think Beipi's diet being unchecked for 2 updates will be too crazy
Its not going to outcompete anybody
vast wolf
pretty sure beip will be eating the cattails and the water grass not duck weed.
honest sparrow
So basically you’re saying let Beipi run free for no problem at all?
covert birch
duckweed eating animal wen
strange wave
have beipi not be able to eat things its dropped on the floor but able to schlorp things on its claws
honest sparrow
The only thing that can touch it if you play it right is deino
covert birch
i want something with anti deino symbiosis for other herbis
vast wolf
minmi will probably eat water grass.
strange wave
min...
honest sparrow
And even then it’s not worth it
strange wave
oh wait no
vast wolf
i want something with anti deino symbiosis for other herbis
pufferfish minmi
strange wave
stor..
covert birch
stork austro
covert birch
chad otter austro ngl
covert birch
make my boi swim round plz
honest sparrow
I don’t care what other people say
vast wolf
top right
honest sparrow
Carni Beipi niche
strange wave
otter austro jaguar bary
thin stag
Carnivore penguin wolverine thing
strange wave
honest sparrow
It’s only to make it scream it’s aquatic
strange wave
lava cerato
proud coral
vast wolf
yeah otter austro is fine as long as its kept at more of a fisher than a im going to bite your spine animal.
covert birch
edgelord cerato
honest sparrow
Mordor cera
covert birch
yeah otter austro is fine as long as its kept at more of a fisher than a im going to bite your spine animal.
why not both
Let austro latch onto swimming targets
strange wave
honestly just make cerato be able to charge up in lava and gain extra attack power
charred nova
Dryosaurus is in development now and we had some problems bringing it’s old animations to EVRIMA, but now it’s fixed, we should have Dryos running around the map very soon.(thats what it says in devblog 3)
honest sparrow
Make Austro a siren lol
vast wolf
charred nova
So yes they can port dinos animations over
vast wolf
minmi and beip both eat aquatic weeds/grass.
thin stag
Minmi land mine when
strange wave
but suchos animations wont be
honest sparrow
Schmexy calls but will drag you to underwater Brazil
honest sparrow
Is Minmi a burrower or burrow stealer
vast wolf
burrower
covert birch
Please god stealer
strange wave
yes
vast wolf
minmi is a confirmed burrower.
honest sparrow
Dryo moment
covert birch
minmi is a confirmed burrower.
when
strange wave
then
honest sparrow
Now
vast wolf
it will have a duck and cover burrow option as seen in the top left.
vast wolf
im pretty sure it was confirmed.
thin stag
And a bigger burrow to live in?
covert birch
the duck and cover is confirmed
the full large burrows god please no
make it steal those
honest sparrow
As long as it just becomes a land mine idm it
proud coral
I think burrowing for Minmi is up in the air, not fully confirmed
vast wolf
burrowing like that is fine for it.
turtles do it and minmi is basically a longer legged turtle.
honest sparrow
Big burrows just seem too much
covert birch
guys lets make all new smalls burrow pog
vast wolf
we only have 2 confirmed burrowers.
thin stag
Imagine a brachi casually stepping on a burrowing Minmi 
vast wolf
minmi and homalo
covert birch
Proto was mentioned in passing
honest sparrow
Ava is also on that list
covert birch
ava was mentioned today
thin stag
Ava was confirmed too
honest sparrow
Dryo steals em
vast wolf
ava and dryo can use them for sure but were not sure if they will be able to dig them.
proud coral
I like the idea of most smalls being able to at least use burrows. I mean if they're small enough, why not?
strange wave
Ava was confirmed too
@thin stag not confirmed, mentioned
honest sparrow
Use em sure
strange wave
might not burrow
covert birch
vast wolf
ava was confirmed to be able to use burrows if not dig them.
proud coral
Yeah that doesn't confirm it
covert birch
Yes exactly
vast wolf
if ava isnt able to use burrows its just food.
proud coral
Not really
covert birch
but just saying
we have like 12 animals they said they wanna see it do something whether its make burrows or invade/take em
vast wolf
i dont think it could fend off a utah that easy.
honest sparrow
I feel like only homalo and proto should be able to actually make burrows but that just my opinion
vast wolf
minmi makes more sense than homalo.
honest sparrow
Homalo can die regardless tho
proud coral
What if Minmi could only make them in mud, but they'd have some sort of benefit that other burrows don't?
vast wolf
^
honest sparrow
Keep it tied to rivers ffs
vast wolf
mud only burrows or they have to be made within a proximity to water.
proud coral
Only issue I see is burrows being too close to water being glitchy since water is under the map or something
honest sparrow
Yeah but it’s better then Minmi being able to live fine like 20 miles away from a river
vast wolf
minmi burrowing makes the most sense out of everything in the roster with proto and ava coming in second.
vast wolf
minmi will be eating aquatic plants.
minmi is a pigmy hippo crossed with a turtle.
and it could have just been made a burrower as a tortoise.
vast wolf
the large boss on its nose is likely what its using for burrowing.
along with its front legs.
honest sparrow
Idm burrows as long as it is tied to the water
vast wolf
basically digging like a warthog or aardvark.
proud coral
Yeah, I like mud burrows
vast wolf
minmis only real food will be in the water.
honest sparrow
Mud burrows
vast wolf
but the burrows being tied to the water is great albeit harder to program.
honest sparrow
True but the payout would be good I think
proud coral
Maybe burrows not being able to be placed by water is a legacy thing. Water sources might be different in Evrima
vast wolf
minmis duck and cover will hopefully be used anywhere.
proud coral
Hope it's not too obvious :c
honest sparrow
Maybe it could take longer depending on the type of dirt
vast wolf
its eay to picture one ducking into a bush then diving into the ground and completely evading a predator.
softer substrate is easier to dig in but can also cave in easier.
minmi. https://youtu.be/o5FwvUD2e94
just closer to the burrow size in the concept art.
peak wedge
Oo yeah cave ins, maybe something like, (just throwing out numbers), Each time a dino walks directly on a burrow, it has a 10% chance to cave in with a 10-15 sec cooldown each count of being walked on. If the dino is heavier it has more of a chance, and if the burrows in something loose like mud or sand it has more of a chance, as opposed to something like a dryo walking over it or building it in the middle of a grassland where the ground is packed hard. If the burrow does cave in and a creatures inside, their screen will start to shake and dirt will start falling for 5-7 seconds before fully caving in so they can choose to make a run for it. If the creature above stays on top of the burrow during the cave in, after it caves fully in the creature will be trapped for a amount of time based off the size of the creature. If the creature inside the burrow stays inside they will take the base damage of being caved in, and also damage if theres a creature who got trapped based off their weight. So like if a minimi gets trapped in and a ovi falls on them theyll be mostly okay, but if they cave in and a rex foot goes through the roof theyre screwed. I think it would make people choose between being hidden and stronger in the jungle, away from food, or being close to food and risking the burrow being discovered and caved in
Would be a nightmare to code but would be cool
mellow sphinx
zoinks
sick crescent
@dapper terrace add lone ponds back in general tbh
however from what ive been thinking, in a way they arent just camp afk spots
lone ponds being unique locations on the map with landmarks or a certain biome for them might do on basic
dapper terrace
There's one that was added (not the last update, the one before that) because there's two spawn points there and the babies kept dehydrating before they could scale the cliffs up to Arch Falls. I don't know why they can't do the same at Pirate Cove and other places
They even put an AI spawn point there and my mates and I go there as Utahs while we grow. A lot of people know this and it's a popular spot for cannibals to come for easy juvi lunches.
But no one is camping there for long periods?
There's also the new rocky outcrop that was added in the middle of the map with a few AI spawn points that's prime Utah territory for the people who know about it. There's even a little cave to hide babies during territory battles.
But because these places are so valuable there's regular competition for them. Which is what they want to encourage, right? It's just like a natural ecosystem.
languid crown
love those biomes
pine cape
dapper terrace
Yeah mangroves would be fantastic
Or even sand dunes? Make you slide down them like you do on cliffs but you don't take damage
mellow sphinx
i still want spero but those are some nice biomes
strange wave
@warped tapir thats a bad comparison, the skull is squished down and the isle pachy head is at an angle
sick crescent
Btw @jade schooner
I have more others too
On Thenyaw iirc
At least foszor wanted the old canyon to come back too from the actual thenyaw
ashen wasp
Besides, I think the idea is to give Pachycephalosaurus an extra layer of keratin on top on the bone, instead of leaving the skull exposed. It’d make sense to be able to repair itself more regularly than bone alone— having that sort of keratin sheath not only provides a way to realistically color the dome, it allows that aforementioned degree of exaggeration The Isle is known for
flat crypt
Agreeing that it would be nice to have more water sources around the map. It's not like water is hard to find, imo dehydration isn't really a risk so long as you're sensible. But people don't want to wander too far from water and end up dying, so there's significant portions of the map that go totally unexplored. If you want to encourage people to spread out more, you need to give them a reasonable ability to do so.
paper oriole
Upvoting your own feedback 
Pachy's head is fine
narrow ingot
Pachy head is good to me
paper oriole
Yeah whether it is even accurate or not it makes sense for its combat use
narrow ingot
^. ..yeah i don't see no point of changing it. Im not sure if that what he was wanting
It fits aesthetic of the game imo
They're not their rl counterparts
paper oriole
I dont get how somebody could nitpick about pachy's cranium possibly being too large to be accurate when literally look at dinos like spino and utah who are modified way more
narrow ingot
True. And anky as well
paper oriole
Its silly lol
narrow ingot
But besides that if anyone has a chance atm. That rugops doc is there if anyone wants to give me feedback. I put hella things inside of that. Btw.
paper oriole
Ill check it out
narrow ingot
Thanks
paper oriole
The spit seems a little too close to hypsi, might steal one of the things that makes that dino unique, but i've always liked the idea of scavengers having the septic bite
Maybe instead of blinding enemies with projectile vomit like hypsi it can still coat the enemy in a nasty discharge and totally fuck up their sense of smell while also making their body directly show up with scent
Maybe a shot straight to the face of an enemy with the spray can even make them throw up, could make a large predator who might lose more hunger than it would gain from a rugops weigh his options better
narrow ingot
Yeah I'll add and give credit
paper oriole
paper oriole
Yeah that pic lookin starved af lol
shut chasm
What about the average Utah on Evrima?
narrow ingot
Added your suggestion buff trike as "option B "
barren zephyr
Option D with septic bite just seems best for carno if you ask me
carno?
meant rugops
narrow ingot
Any reasons why u say that one is the best ?
mellow sphinx
No 1 call for everyone to see you, only your species
nimble thistle
Mixpacking for herbivores in BoB has some of problems
Easy cooperation makes herds a lot stronger and more aggressive
Herbies also start attacking each other if in different packs
Sorry for my english again 
ebon crypt
Legacy ambush bad. If ambush gets re-added, I'd much prefer it to effect acceleration rather than giving you a free speed boost
silent current
bruh
frigid cosmos
bruh
when
arctic nimbus
@barren zephyr While I somewhat agree with you, I think the main issue with herbis atm is that they are either really good (Maia, Dibble) or really bad (everything else that isn't Maia and Dibble) and the fact that they are weak is the reason they are seen as "walking buffets".
basically I think herbis should be buffed in general
barren zephyr
@arctic nimbus in my opinion, all herbis are seen as a walking buffet, if the carnis see it's something they can't eat, they'll move on, until something bigger that is able to eat it will kill it......herbis growth times should be dramatically reduced for what they are, you literally walk, eat and drink, and there is nothing else to do, it's unfair you have to wait 6 hours to grow a dino....lmao even a pachy takes 2 hours...no wonder no one plays it
arctic nimbus
Well every dino is getting reworked so hopefully herbis will actually be worth the growth time they have. Except legacy pachy, that will always be a joke.
barren zephyr
agreed @arctic nimbus
because all you do in the game is literally eat and drink water, literally that's it
and you have to wait 3+ hours to be able to do those 2 actions fairly "safely"
it's really a joke to play herbis xD
ebon crypt
I think that they are planning on adding "objectives" to Evrima eventually. You'll actually have to do stuff other than eating and drinking to grow, so hopefully it'll make game play more interesting. Legacy game play is almost non existant tbh
narrow ingot
One person put X on my rugops doc so im assuming they just don't like the animal at all 😂literally listed every option for it....i even listed it as being a"scavenger" and it still wasn't good enough
I wish they would have added a comment in feedback discussion
barren zephyr
Weren't they adding Rugops? Well, They had sounds for it, right?
narrow ingot
Yeah rugops already has a model
barren zephyr
I know that it has model
narrow ingot
Only one confirmed not being added from what ik is pue
covert birch
it was going to be added
then was scrapped and replaced by cerato
in niche n such
barren zephyr
The only things I know about Rugops is it's model and sounds
narrow ingot
I think I want to tag that person to see if they have any feedback or opinions on that rugops doc so I can adjust if needed....if you don't mind me asking @tender latch ? Do you have any feedback ? Or anything you want to suggest for Rugops ?
tender latch
All I have to say about Rugops is
...No
I just think one abelisaurid is enough, plus quality over quantity at all times
Also funny ping
vast wolf
sadly rugops would be limited to being a scavenger or predator of tiny animals if it gets in as it likely had a weak bite and would be small.
narrow ingot
Rugops can definitely be fictionalized to fit just like others have. I gave options for it. I don't see the issue when their is other smalls being added as well. And rugops as of rn isn't going anywhere. Only confirmed animal not making it is pue. So might as well find something for it.
molten tulip
Apexes and allos crowding the map sucks and all but without them theres no real fear
Idk if this is a thing or not but I heard of an allo rework where it gets slower or has less stamina
ebon crypt
Allo is being turned into an ambush predator iirc, yeah. It won't have as much stam anymore
molten tulip
Yeah that would be nice
The thing with apexes and a reworked allo is that they can only really catch you by surprise
If you see them in the distance you have time to get away but if you let them sneak up thats on you
pallid burrow
I think Allos stam rn is fine, it is still primarily an ambush predator since it has to get close to things like Utahs and Dilos to actually have a chance at catching them
vast wolf
its not "on you" if you get ambushed from the treeline.
ashen wasp
whatre you doing so close to the treeline??
molten tulip
How so
vast wolf
allos stamina in legacy is a bit insane coupled with its ambush that can almost catch carno.
pallid burrow
It’s ambush is quite a lot slower than a carno, it’s ambush is barely faster than a Utah
vast wolf
if your preffered food is founf in the treeline you will have to go there to get it.
molten tulip
Its a general rule that areas with dense cover where something dangerous can be hiding should be avoided
vast wolf
It’s ambush is quite a lot slower than a carno, it’s ambush is barely faster than a Utah
50kmph ambush is slow lmao
carno is 52kmph in legacy
allo can keep up with maia.
pallid burrow
It’s 56km
pallid burrow
Again, ambush is only barely faster than a maia
vast wolf
its a 6 second ambush that allows it to catch 95% of the roster.
pallid burrow
Which makes it an ambush predator, which is what I’ve been saying. I don’t think it’s stam is crazy because if you see a Utah or something in the distance, no Allo is gonna try and outstam it, it’d just be a waste of time.
vast wolf
saying legacy allos ambush is not op is like saying bone break in legacy is balanced.
allos stamina causes other issues for other playables.
arctic nimbus
@toxic mantle What do you mean?
pallid burrow
I don’t think it’s op, you only have a chance at catching things if you’re very close
molten tulip
Its planned to be nerfed
vast wolf
allo should have pretty low stamina but have a good ability to ambush with a pretty fast sprint in general.
toxic mantle
First you give Magy poison to attempt to make it viable, then you strongly imply that most of the bigger dinos wont be in the game, like Allo and Albeto and will either be AI or Sandbox mode. If you have an issue with Magy, one of the reasons is that how will it still be viable to bigger dinos such as Allo and Alberto. Then Kissen implies that they may not even be in survival mode. I feel at this point they're just being super blatant in adding Magy in and are trying to balance the roster around it so it can attempt to work. But that's my 2 cents.
I literally just said the same thing twice
Fuck me
I'm going to bed
vast wolf
this is the issue weve been addressing. kissen is horribly vague and her words are taken out of context.
its not going to be like that in the end just for now.
toxic mantle
I've literally seen the words.
But I'd love to be proved wrong in my Magy assumption
molten tulip
She could just be talking about the first 8 updates but people think it means forever
The way she said it was pretty vague and could just be miswording things
safe galleon
magy does not have poison
frigid cosmos
delete magy
vast wolf
shes super evassive and vague with spefic questions and they lead to misinformation.
toxic mantle
Then she needs to come back and reiterate what she meant
Or have PR team fix this
So Punch
molten tulip
Magy isn't even in the game yet so idk why people are mad about it
Those questions should be asked when we actually see its arsenal and stats
vast wolf
because we just want to know how it will work out witl fast mid tier predators.
toxic mantle
Sorry but Magy ain't worth half the roster being relegated to sandbox
vast wolf
thats not happening.
safe galleon
also bigger dinos arent int he game because magy would be fucked, they're not in the game because currently EVERYTHING would be fucked
vast wolf
official servers may have different rosters based on maps.
silver zephyr
Gilbert mids not being in atm isnt what peeps are made about
most people from my understanding like the smalls first plan
it's more about separating the smalls, mids, and bigs potentially
ashen elm
We are aware. That doesn't mean we can't voice our disapproval of the idea.
silver zephyr
Bah tbh even if what we are worried about turns out to be true it will probably be axed like prog.
still dumb tho
molten tulip
I disagree with the not adding apexes too
I dont care for them but not having them at all gets rid of the fear factor
vast wolf
apexes will be in for sure. their a big selling point. just they are way down the road.
silver zephyr
yeah lol they are the main lads who also have hypos
vast wolf
from what i see it they want to get the core mechanics and their counterparts in then go up in size after that.
molten tulip
That would be nice
vast wolf
like magy and cerato tie into the diet system heavily deino and ptera are for fishing and new locomotion ect.
molten tulip
In terms of balancing the new lack of ai would be a huge factor into whether things can even exist
Afk rexes growing off avas won't be a thing anymore
vast wolf
yeah with no ai larger predators will struggle.
molten tulip
So the amount of rexes and gigs may decrease a lot from legacy
vast wolf
id say deino could if they give it a slow metabolism.
nutrition also helps limit apexes.
molten tulip
Yeah also once the map gets fleshed out more it could affect many things
E.g. where people go to grow, to raise herds or packs, to fight, etc
vast wolf
we do need more mechanical animals like homalo minmi and beip.
update 9 could be a burrowing/social interaction update.
molten tulip
Yes
vast wolf
i would kill for minmi.
bleak atlas
Pp thinking the splitting roaster is a good idea are on reddit level lol. Not everything bad that happens is magys fault
gray loom
am I the only one who doesn't think the skin system is necessary for most dinos?
gray loom
I mean its kinda helpful when the default skin is boring ol brown or something like that
dapper terrace
Where does Kissen say they want to split the ecosystems??
Can I get the screenshot?
vast wolf
i dont have it but it was said in phase two earlier.
dapper terrace
@silver zephyr can I get a screenshot?
silver zephyr
i dont have one myself nor now how to get em
just check kissen's logs
youll see the messages
dapper terrace
Figured to out thx
lilac swallow
Np
vast wolf
yeah meant isle discussion.
frosty lantern
@charred nova what do you mean the news that kissen said about splitting the game I never saw anything like that in the devblog?
ebon crypt
Read her messages in Isle discussion
warped tapir
@thin stag but if we did the minmi atoll how about we get like magy as the biggest and troo or dilo as the largest carni. Also flyers and deinos or aquatics in the water
vast wolf
recreate hatseg island but add bary.
thin stag
@thin stag but if we did the minmi atoll how about we get like magy as the biggest and troo or dilo as the largest carni. Also flyers and deinos or aquatics in the water
I feel like Magy would be a bit too big for an atoll to sustain, and I was thinking Herra or Mono as the biggest predators, ofc acuatics and flyers are in (except spinosaurids)
warped tapir
@thin stag Yeah for sure no spinosaurs 
but I think troo and herrera could be the apexes, and as seen in concept art, a large pack of troos could take down a magy, and irl magy did live on a remote island where it was the biggest.
void sundial
@azure wadi I'm not ruining anything. I'm just saying that you have to wait 4 minutes to get hungry and thirsty again, when you are completely satisfied with hunger and thirst.
azure wadi
@void sundial what? I was never talking to you
void sundial
@azure wadi Yes, you did it
sick crescent
Danger wasn’t
void sundial
@azure wadi I’ve seen stuff about splitting up the ecosystem into different tiers and all I can say is, don’t do it, don’t ruin the game like this
Is you talking
arctic nimbus
First you give Magy poison to attempt to make it viable, then you strongly imply that most of the bigger dinos wont be in the game, like Allo and Albeto and will either be AI or Sandbox mode. If you have an issue with Magy, one of the reasons is that how will it still be viable to bigger dinos such as Allo and Alberto. Then Kissen implies that they may not even be in survival mode. I feel at this point they're just being super blatant in adding Magy in and are trying to balance the roster around it so it can attempt to work. But that's my 2 cents.
@toxic mantle Late response, I completely agree. Maybe that isn't why they weren't adding those animals, but I also suspect maybe.
arctic nimbus
what?
safe galleon
I was talking to @void sundial
arctic nimbus
ik
safe galleon
oh god this is getting confusing
arctic nimbus
@void sundial The feedback wasn't aimed at you at all.
azure wadi
Are you ok Nah because I quite obviously wasn’t talking to you
valid zephyr
Imo poison magy is a good idea to keep it viable even with bigger animals around.
Make it diet dependent. Better the diet the more poisonous it is.
azure wadi
And if it’s diet becomes too low in those it becomes vulnerable
valid zephyr
Yep.
Would encourage moving around to find a good diet.
Maybe make the colours brighter the more poisonous it becomes.
restive turret
that would be interesting
valid zephyr
@warped tapir I agree for the herrea and magy, but remember that not all species follow the obvious trend.
azure wadi
The ecosystem splitting idea is making me worried
valid zephyr
female cassorwarys for example are slightly larger and brighter than the males.
warped tapir
ik, but I'm just spewing
toxic mantle
happy noises
valid zephyr
keep spewing!
silver zephyr
imagine magy eats so much of a specific food and allo just drops dead biting it
warped tapir
I'm bored and I have MS paint, a perfect combination
azure wadi
Hopefully I’ll wake up tomorrow and this damn tier based ecosystem will just be a bad dream
valid zephyr
If magy eats a strain plant, it should go dart frog colours.
And touching its skin means death.
Just one magy beelining a rex megapack and they all scatter to avoid it.
restive turret
i like these ideas
silver zephyr
the ecosystem splitting stuff is probably gonna go lol
idk if anyone genuinely likes it
azure wadi
Magy’s colors should become brighter the more toxins it has in its body
restive turret
if they keep the ecosystem splitting they'll be shooting themselves in the foot
frigid cosmos
aight so i have like half a braincell left, what is ecosystem splitting and whys it so bad
azure wadi
More like shooting themselves in the chest
restive turret
oui
azure wadi
Milo ecosystems will be split into dinosaur tiers like small mid and apex
thin stag
@thin stag Yeah for sure no spinosaurs
Hatzeg Island was kinda big for an Island, and an atoll doesn't tend to get larger than 5km2, but I get what you're going for
peak wedge
Okay so if i understand correctly, the devs wanna split smalls into dif maps?
Cause i dont like the idea of not being able to pick a dino on a map but i love the idea of each dino having a preferred area so you have multiple ecos on one map
warped tapir
Im just saying the atoll could be a different thing, like sandbox mode and survival
I dont mean to split the whole thing
knotty sparrow
The female Herrera idea looks impressive. Like the males could use theirs as a means to try and impress a mate
blissful onyx
whats this stuff about split ecosystems?
shadow stream
remain in blissful ignorance
blissful onyx
my life is so perfect right now it'd be a shame if someone explained split ecosystems to me
barren zephyr
When will the isle come to ps4? Please add it to ps4 you would gain thousands of more people bro! Thx for listening.
shadow stream
silver zephyr
fake troos what
troo doesn't have the hallucination venom
@warped tapir troo doesn't have hallucinogenic venom
warped tapir
well then dilo, you get what i mean right?
silver zephyr
kinda
blissful onyx
i searched discord about splitting eco systems and for the most part it looks like it s speculation and poorly explained on top of that, i am not really worried about it
warped tapir
same
silver zephyr
pog ger
blissful onyx
also hey geck the pachy skull you use in ur example image is like stretched isnt it?
the original is this one isnt it?
warped tapir
The skull is stretched just a bit, a little for emphasis and a little mistake, but the model pachy head is untouched, just cut out from the neck
blissful onyx
i dont want to be rude but the stretch seems to be quite a lot
i gotta go to class
mellow maple
There is no such animal as Ceratosaurus rex
When the fuck did Cerato have a new species
outer condor
Cerato rex 
mellow maple
What even is that
outer condor
It's real
mellow maple
Show fossils
I want to know. That sounds like a hybrid combination
Of like, Ceratosaurus with Tyrannosaurid proportions
ashen elm
Cerato Rex just refers to when Cerato was super buffed and could fight like 4 Allos and win.
mellow maple
I wasn't around for that.
That could explain alot
I got the game since last year of February
ashen elm
Ah kk. But yes there was a period of time when Cera was actually OP
Since then it was dumpster'd rip
mellow maple
That sounds fun but kinda dumb
ashen elm
I think Cera should be tanky for it's size but def not taking on 4 Allos at once tanky yes
frigid cosmos
parasaurus
parasaurus
barren zephyr
@warped tapir what's that X for? lmao. That's the point of nutrition system.
This doesn't mean it can't eat/kill other things, it's just means there is a preferable diet that you can follow, wich will reward you
but if you don't follow, it won't punish you.
warped tapir
then why would you even have a prefered diet if not following it doesnt affect anything. I mean can't you just tell yourslef "hmmmmm i want to eat a para today" and do that. the game doenst need to tell you that.
barren zephyr
? Read again what I just said.
silver zephyr
carnivore diets by default can't be as intricate as herbi diets gecko
simply for the fact their food might not always be around
warped tapir
it just seems like a waste
silver zephyr
it's not really a waste tho
warped tapir
I'm saying that prefered diets should just be for herbivores
silver zephyr
you can live as a carni without your preferred food but can actively engage with those that boost yourself
so its not forced but provides benefit
vast wolf
^
vast wolf
herbivores get more enhanced gameplay by looking for prefered foods and carnivores can choose to follow suit.
barren zephyr
I get brain damage from this guy.
warped tapir
Is that why your pepe pfp had his head bent in?
outer condor
😔
barren zephyr
I'm not annoyed or anything, You just literally didn't understand what I explained there, and voted X for a stupid reason.
If you force somebody to something (with punishing) that creates a One-way to be played scenario. But if you reward the optimal playstyle, but still not punish the non optimal, you got still 2 ways to play, wich is a bit different
No punishment, only reward.
This is almost like a soft- guide. You can follow it, but you can choose to not to. You can kill hypsis as a fucking Rex, but then you will growth trought the entire basic given growth time, but if you follow your nutrition, you can maybe cut a half an hour out of that growing time.
knotty sparrow
But I like ecosystems where there’s competition
barren zephyr
There is competition. I just said how to avoid overkill encounters that makes one unviable. Every Carnivore would have competition.
silver zephyr
mfw people saying split ecosystems and not split rosters 
outer condor
barren zephyr
Mute people who disagree with me.
shadow stream
long live the CCP.
silver zephyr
mute people who use the term split ecosystems and not split roster
cyan flame
Since I've missed most of this, can I just ask what the difference would be there in those terms?
silver zephyr
I think by split ecosystem people think like dinos in different environments? personally idk but I saw people referring to it as so and didn't know what we were actually talking about
1 example being fuzzy
split roster just makes it less confusing and was the original term anyways iirc
cyan flame
Alright, thanks!
silver zephyr
np
cyan flame
It all seems more confusing than not right now to be honest xD
silver zephyr
ashen wasp
as i understand it, potentially splitting the roster was an old, unconfirmed idea from a while ago. i feel like the idea has merit as a server option, but not on its own as a default.
keen crypt
It was talked about by Kissen today
vast wolf
yeah kissen tends to be vague and evassive with questions which causes issues like this.
at least shes nice about everything.
silver zephyr
@languid ember #DontSplitTheRoster 
languid ember
severe idol
languid ember
K den
molten tulip
Juvenile stego?
peak wedge
For brood parasites my idea is things like trood if its a brood para can imitate things like hatchling rexs, gigas, dilos, other similar theropods. It cant imitate a trike. You can tell its a imposter egg if you pay attention to the color and size of the egg, but once its hatched the creature looks identical to the other hatchlings till juvie, where theyre their normal juvie and are kicked out of the group, but can now run away and survive
ashen wasp
Juvenile stego?
@molten tulip https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/1285676038924767232
floppy spikes
ashen wasp
nah, rounded plates, blunt thagomizers, HUGE eyeball
molten tulip
I think the jello physics might just be a placeholder to make it presentable
ashen wasp
maybe!! could go either way on em honestly
honestly theyre not what im most concerned about
first half of the animation is great, loving it-- second half not so much. it's fine for a juvi but i have trouble imagining a multiton animal just letting itself fall onto its side with that much force-- looks like itd injure itself
would be nice to have the Stego's wallow animation change when it grows, like Tenonto's 4 call
silver zephyr
bork 
strange wave
i use the memes to destroy the memes
night mountain
silver zephyr
fake
arctic nimbus
So about the roster being split, I heard its due to Magy. Is that true?
silver zephyr
eh
nothing outright confirmed but people are just assuimg it did because it was the only playable with real potential balance issues
we dont know tho
just assumptions
strange wave
mfw the roster splitting is basically dead in the water already, people just ignore that we have 2 test bed apexes already in the roadmap
strange wave
@tidal star so one, this is set in modern times, two, hypsi austro ovi etc, three, tropeognathus already exists in bob no need to breed more shit, four, we have a confirmed azdarchid, what ever it is we dont know
tidal star
I know I like feathered Dino’s it’s just weird to have birds with pterosaurs and I was aware of the bob thing I didn’t want it to be taken seriously it’s just how I felt about it but yeah u can’t add tropeo cause bob already called dibs
strange wave
and, haast fills a completely void niche, pela fills the niche tropeo fills in bob just, probably less busted, and heracles is a chad addition
night mountain
I actually would love pela to just be bob tropeo
distant storm
I mean, basically it doesn't make any financial sense to dismantle your dinosaur roster that you've had for years that's literally built your game's popularity.
night mountain
look at every time a game has split up a roster
distant storm
No other game allows you to be a Giga fighting a Spino. or a Stego fighting a rex in the open world. NO OTHER GAME. Why on God's Earth would you do such a decision.
night mountain
people fucking rioted when pokemon did it
arctic nimbus
Imagine they did the splitting all because of magy
night mountain
magy was the ultimate troll all along
arctic nimbus
I would drop dead right on my keyboard
mighty girder
Taking the small creatures away from the big creatures not only makes no sense, it literally takes away from the size of both as well
azure wadi
That’d just prove most of our points that Magy was useless
distant storm
I don't think it's magy I think it's cause they are having difficulty in the development of all the balancing.
mighty girder
like on prog I would legit stay as taco sometimes because holy FUCK seeing a rex and the actual SIZE of it
was insane
distant storm
Not just for magy.