covert birch
Gravato lemme explain ya somethin, I can agree with the existance of a carnivore bias
its quite obvious
But your other arguments are somewhat invalid as its dondis idea to yaknow, actually fix the programming issues of the game, which evrima does
Combined with your complaints of not finishing snabox animals well, if ya look at the roadmap stego is literally there for example lol
pallid trail
but if you hate legacy so much dont play it lmao
vast wolf
you can always answer punches question asking you what is needed to make something in game feature complete.
glad ocean
I mean just make all the Dinos realistic unlike what dondi wants unfairly in V3 u guys gotta bypass his suggestion on Dino stats cause that doesnt know anything about Dinosaurs
covert birch
but if you hate legacy so much dont play it lmao
shit argument
icy lion
lmao yea stego is literally on the new roadmap
pallid trail
Then answer punch's question
covert birch
I mean just make all the Dinos realistic unlike what dondi wants unfairly in V3 u guys gotta bypass his suggestion on Dino stats cause that doesnt know anything about Dinosaurs
Making animals realistic would put herbivores into an even worse position
glad ocean
Wow cant wait to be a stego in 3 years 😄
barren zephyr
and realism..
covert birch
So gravato, have ya looked at the roadmap
icy lion
its pretty cool
covert birch
most things in update 1 are complete
Bought half in update 2
Meaning the update with stego is well
halfway there i guess?
vast wolf
rather play stego in evrima in 3 years than play legacy stego in survival.
glad ocean
On sec ill be da judge of dis road map u speak of
barren zephyr
and stego is in update 2
vast wolf
silver zephyr
stego update 2
pallid trail
they should add a bleed mechanic and night and day cycle sooner though
barren zephyr
as AI but it'll be strong af
vast wolf
night is not something that will draw more players to the game until nocturnal animals are added. generally people like to see when they do things.
glad ocean
Stegos AI what the Frick what the frick!
pallid trail
mm yeah
covert birch
it will be both injectable update 2 and playable in the future
icy lion
its not gonna be ai forever
covert birch
inb4 another X years joke
icy lion
i feel it coming
barren zephyr
it is i feel it
vast wolf
everything except possibly brachi and camma that are confirmed will be playable down the line.
pallid trail
they are working on different and newer dinos atm
covert birch
ok so gravato lemme mention 1 more thing
vast wolf
furious typing continues.
pallid trail
lol
icy lion
i think camara is confirmed no? and brachi is still under debate?
glad ocean
Add all Dinos hopefully before a couple months
vast wolf
covert birch
too fast lol
silver zephyr
Add all Dinos hopefully before a couple months
what how
icy lion
ALL DINOS lihv CYVKLBJLKF;kJHK
vast wolf
Add all Dinos hopefully before a couple months
thats not possible and contradicts your "work on legacy" mindset.
icy lion
at least servers will be able to make it selectable
glad ocean
Fix all of them add em in one update frick!
silver zephyr
icy lion
ok im just gonna treat this as a troll and go back to regular discussion
vast wolf
Fix all of them add em in one update frick!
the dev team need to give every animal 100+ animations each. not to mention mechanics growth rigs and sounds.
covert birch
Gravato its adding dinos is much more complicated now since they will all have unique mechanics n such
Utah with pounce
carno with a knockdown
Tenonto with tail slam stun
Etc
Adding all dinos in a couple of months is insane
We have been getting about monthly updates, the 1st one is almost complete there and a month hasnt passed yet
Seems as if it it will continue to follow that monthly update schedule
Which if we average 3 dinos per month itll take about a year to add the whole roster
pallid trail
What do you all hope for in nesting?
glad ocean
They gotta hire more employees just dont let dondi hire them so u guys can get the game cookin
silver zephyr
blue but nothing is unique
covert birch
Not now fulgore
silver zephyr
pallid trail
lmao
vast wolf
hiring more employees costs money. quality over quantity.
covert birch
Gravato i feel like your blind hatred? idk if thats the word for dondi
isnt anything to do with this topic on adding creatures n such
and yes ide rather them put that money into making the animals instead of hiring new people
glad ocean
Hated lmao sensitive much?
covert birch
if i were sensitive atm
i would be insulting you
i have not insulted you once this entire time
At least me specifically
vast wolf
i only insult people to get a point across and to annoy them.
pallid trail
Is anyone excited for nesting? c:
covert birch
no
vast wolf
no.
glad ocean
Must be some kind of butthurt over words that didnt insult u and its all advise obv butthurt idk why its advise tho lol
vast wolf
bleed + bonebreak.
pallid trail
aw man :c
covert birch
What
icy lion
what
pallid trail
same but once thats out I mean
barren zephyr
gravato are you trying to make enemies?
icy lion
i vote troll
pallid trail
same lol
vast wolf
gravado im having a hard time piecing your sentences together. can you clarify what your ranting about?
glad ocean
Nah just dont get butt hurt over advise
barren zephyr
no one is butt hurt though
glad ocean
Blue is he brought it up now tryna cover it whatever
icy lion
what
pallid trail
wha..
covert birch
What
glad ocean
Sorry for hurting your feeling lol
vast wolf
Nah just dont get butt hurt over advise
what advice? constructive criticism is something that is good bashing a game and its devs for something thats a healthy decision you dont agree with is bad.
covert birch
it isnt advise when the thing doesnt have any relation to the topic at hand
Nor am i butthurt
but ignoring that last comment
Again, if we average about 3 dinos per month (which seems to be the case looking at the roadmap), combined with the monthly update schedule, it seems we will have about all the legacy dinos in by about a years time
pallid trail
you were the one that typed it into feedback not blue
barren zephyr
you're assuming someone is because your ridiculous statement about adding all the dinos in 1 update which doesn't work like that
vast wolf
if the devs were to wait to add everything in one update the game would be dead.
icy lion
hence the roadmap
covert birch
Yes since that update would take longer then the evrima wait time would
glad ocean
Dondi didnt tell anyone he threw away code for V3 and then told employees they are starting new game, sue dondi
barren zephyr
he did though? wtf are you talking about
vast wolf
on average id say it will take 1-2 months to get an update out. the game will hopefully have all its mechanics in 6-7 updates.
glad ocean
Oof bruh
pallid trail
he can do what he wants with the game he literally owns it not us we just give him money
covert birch
Gravato i explained to you what happened to the code before
glad ocean
Then he gives 400k to streamers
icy lion
oh no his own money
glad ocean
Yeah OK
vast wolf
the dev that fucked the legacy code was deathly who was fired in 2017 and the devs are making evrima to make a new game because his code is unworkable.
glad ocean
Nah hes jail rn for court shit ill bet money on it
barren zephyr
?
icy lion
in jail before court?
pallid trail
what no?
barren zephyr
he's taking a break what is your deal?
vast wolf
Nah hes jail rn for court shit ill bet money on it
don was never convicted on any charges.
icy lion
what is happening bro
covert birch
DOndi is currently on vacation
paradym is the ex-dev doing the court stuff due to allegations
glad ocean
Court then jail u know what I mean
icy lion
i dont think i know anything you mean
covert birch
Dondi didnt tell anyone he threw away code for V3 and then told employees they are starting new game, sue dondi
Gravato i explained to you what happened to the code before
The code was non-functional in legacy
if they wished to continue updating the game, they needed to go through the process of evrima
it was a necessary evil
glad ocean
"Vacation" as in jail
barren zephyr
no i don't your comments are making no sense
covert birch
lol
outer condor
But Dondi isn't in count or jail
covert birch
Futurama good show ngl
barren zephyr
^ very
vast wolf
nothing is coming of this except a massive waste of time.
covert birch
i have nothing better to do
if you think its a waste of time do your own thing then lol
glad ocean
Yeah it is I dispise the guy for now allowing Dinos to be completed before they started new game shits retarded
icy lion
what
untold yew
I'm
pallid trail
that why they started a new game to fix it lmfao
vast wolf
can we meme this please.
silver zephyr
no
icy lion
do you not understand what "impossible" means
barren zephyr
hey gravato what word would that last word be without the ED
silver zephyr
what
icy lion
oh no
silver zephyr
taco thats evil
covert birch
Gravato
I told you this multiple times
they could not complete those dinosaurs b/c the legacy code was broken and adding/changing anything would break the game even further, the legacy code was shit b/c of a previous encounter with another ex-dev,
glad ocean
Just to fix Stego for size and smell wtf they need to make new game for that bruh
glad ocean
Thay dont
covert birch
legacy code is broken
icy lion
my lord
pallid trail
They literally cant please read what people are saying
outer condor
Legacy is legit broken they can't fix it
covert birch
Gravato
They can not edit anything in legacy without breaking more things due to the fact the code of legacy is broken at a base
barren zephyr
you just aren't listening. i'm gonna go back to drawing my alien/monster spino. if i come back and this is still going on? i'ma slap someone
vast wolf
i want my sandbox dino (stego) to be viable in legacy survival.
icy lion
i wanna see the monster
covert birch
They had to recode the game
To be able to fix the dinos you love so much
untold yew
Yeah no legacy code is totally fucked
glad ocean
Thats BS seriously jst breaks wtf
covert birch
It broke due to being poorly done by a previous now fired dev
pallid trail
the dev broke it
barren zephyr
gravato do you know how games work?
covert birch
this occured in archotech project too by the same dev iirc
Please correct me if im wrong tho anyone
untold yew
It also can't be updated anymore due to being broken
Hence why they need to basically remake the game
barren zephyr
no you're right blue
vast wolf
old dev made bad spaghetti code. old dev ripped it apart when they were fired. devs spent 2 years fixing it then decided it was better to make a new codebase.
covert birch
before you say it
That developer was not dondi
silver zephyr
wait is this person just mad that stego doesnt have their sniff and a size change or whatever?
covert birch
Seems so
vast wolf
it seems so.
barren zephyr
it's like he watched the first complaint on sids vid and got pissy over stego
untold yew
Yeah that dev really did fuck up actually everything
glad ocean
Oh I see Dondi went into system and broke the game on purpose for some personal reason cause hes an unstable person who should be in jail so it was a cover up then fleed to vegas thought he was slick or something
silver zephyr
covert birch
what
icy lion
its hopeless
outer condor
No he didn't
untold yew
I
No?
barren zephyr
is this mod worthy?
crystal trail
Just gonna do the world a favor and stick him on RO
covert birch
Lol
untold yew
Lmao
pallid trail
yes please
untold yew
Deathly was the one that fucked everything
barren zephyr
punch i'd kiss you if i could
icy lion
i suppose its for the best
vast wolf
thank you punch.
covert birch
Gets explained literally what happens/what went wrong
Imma go make up some random thing based on what i was told cuz i do not like dondi b/c sid video
silver zephyr
ok but fr remove stego ai from update 2 
untold yew
Pretty much Blue
pallid trail
lol
untold yew
I watched the Sid video and even I was like ._ . during that convo
silver zephyr
why is punch missing an ear
pallid trail
omg lol
vast wolf
because toy story 2.
untold yew
It got talked off due to all the complaints
barren zephyr
punch he isn't muted...
silver zephyr
punch
pallid trail
o god they typed
barren zephyr
ok now he is
mighty girder
Did anyone tell cookiechip why the trailer was so different quality wise
pallid trail
ye
vast wolf
yep.
mighty girder
okee
pallid trail
Ill delete that then thank you
mighty girder
just noticed it and was gonna answer if nobody else had
vast wolf
and that was 30 minutes of my life i wont get back but amused me.
covert birch
aint it cuz they arent using truesky anymore
pallid trail
lol ye
untold yew
Mood Ghar
barren zephyr
@icy lion you wanted to see what i was drawing?
covert birch
And are gonna use the UE4 sky update instead
icy lion
hellllll yea
pallid trail
also thank you for the thought scarlet
mighty girder
none of it was in game footage either afaik @covert birch was just in editor with animations playing
truesky prob a big part of it though
covert birch
yea that too
pallid trail
ye
mighty girder
thing (trailer) did more harm then good but hopefully game gets to that quality or even surpasses it
untold yew
Mm
mighty girder
tribals
icy lion
carno
vast wolf
fishing.
silver zephyr
idk
vast wolf
been wanting fishing in game since 2016.
silver zephyr
this seems more like an #401464048610312195 thing though 
covert birch
100% most looking foward to see how update 3 goes wrong
untold yew
Updates in general tbh since I can't play
silver zephyr
100% most looking foward to see how update 3 goes wrong
same
vast wolf
this seems more like an #401464048610312195 thing though
facts.
covert birch
"lets slowly go upwards dino ecosystem size wise"
adds 3 biggest carnis in first 4 updates
pallid trail
lol
untold yew
At least they're only AI rn
pallid trail
ye
silver zephyr
sucho and deino aint gonna be ai first
icy lion
deino isnt
pallid trail
o true
untold yew
True
covert birch
i mean it really depends on what size sucho is
pallid trail
itll be ok cause fish though
icy lion
hopefully theyre so slow on land it doesnt matter toooo much
untold yew
I doubt we'll see many Deino just like
Sprinting over patches of flatlands though
silver zephyr
slow argument lol
covert birch
the issue is sucho is immortal b/c its just so much larger then the rest of the animals lol
except deino
and rex ai
barren zephyr
still wanting tenonto's hunger and thirst drain as an adult to not be as punishing
pallid trail
Im not sure if Deino is fast on land like a croc or was it alligator idk
untold yew
True
Deino will probably be the big combatant to Sucho
covert birch
But hey guys
we can add rex giga and spino playables too cuz they are also slow on land
They will also control eachothers populations so its fine 100%
silver zephyr
untold yew
Oh boy
covert birch
same arguments as sucho and deino moment
silver zephyr
i just wanted to see austro snatching up beipis and fish and attacking pteras before they can take off
covert birch
there are solutions to these issues tho
like keeping sucho as a 3 ton animal as it is in legacy
pallid trail
ye
covert birch
and keeping deino as the smaller species i forgot the name of atm
pallid trail
I feel like sucho will be deinos main food
covert birch
and then when updates come out later
Upsize em to max irl size
as all animals should be since it was confirmed since qna 1
barren zephyr
so is everyone on agreement that tenonto's hunger/thirst drains too much?
covert birch
Hunger yes
pallid trail
ye
icy lion
i dont think ive played it enough lol
covert birch
thirst is fine since its literally a swamp animal so it can just drink any time
pallid trail
mm
covert birch
The whole idea is tenos preferred food n such is out in swamps
pallid trail
ye
barren zephyr
ah ok makes sense
pallid trail
so deino eats it lol
covert birch
MArshes would 100% best biome to add for tenonto
That whole plains between some of the swamps being turned into marshes would be a beaut
pallid trail
yess
barren zephyr
though i hate having to hold E on water legit just after i ate a bush
silver zephyr
deinos wont cannibalize each other into oblivion cause they can eat a teno every hour pog
pallid trail
yeah but ig it adds more to do instead of just sitting
barren zephyr
for 2 minutes since the water drain fights the gain
barren zephyr
same for food
pallid trail
they should fix that people dont get hungry while they eat lol
well pretty much all animals
barren zephyr
yeah like if you haven't eaten in like 5 minutes your hunger starts draining like usual or something like that. at least giving you a breather
pallid trail
yeah
barren zephyr
and if you're eating or drinking. neither will drain
pallid trail
well I mean sometimes animals and stuff get thirsty while they eat or hungry while they drink maybe they should just make the loss slower
barren zephyr
i meant like vice versa
pallid trail
yeah
barren zephyr
if you're eating your hunger doesn't drain but your water still would
and vice versa
pallid trail
ye they should add that
barren zephyr
it's annoying fighting against hunger and thirst drain so much
pallid trail
mm ^
barren zephyr
with utah it's fine cuz i imagine it's not as hard and or his drain isn't as bad/noticeable
pallid trail
yeah utah isnt super bad
barren zephyr
but fuck tenonto is a nightmare as an adult
wanted to log out with full hunger and thirst
pallid trail
lol yeah
barren zephyr
you legit just can't do that with tenonto
barren zephyr
also grazing just keeps you at an equilibrium between gain and drain. grazing as an adult tenonto is pointless
barren zephyr
yea but i'v sat for 7 minutes straight hold E
vast wolf
grazing is basically to keep herbivores from starving.
you gain more the lower your hunger is.
pallid trail
ye also to add a cool effect kind more realistic
barren zephyr
i tried doing that when bushes were super rare af
vast wolf
being at 80% + hunger as tenonto and trying to fill up off of grass is not fun.
pallid trail
yeah I hope they add fruit or something more
barren zephyr
well specific diets will be a thing
barren zephyr
it's just that tenonto atm is very difficult to keep at a comfortable level
pallid trail
omg yes anky eating papaya lol
barren zephyr
low hanging fruits n shit
vast wolf
large animals bashing down trees.
pallid trail
yess
languid crown
flood plains when
flat plains, tall grass, alot of rivers, floods in the we season to have a good foot or two of water, just enough for a deino to swim through and just enough for dinos to walk through
perfect
ashen elm
My Biome wishlist (not including marine or freshwater) 
ebon crypt
God, I really do hope that we get biome variety like this in the future. The jungle/tropical theme is cool, but it just gets boring over time.
And an alpine map 
languid crown
yeah but theres so many tropical biomes that just arnt used atm
ebon crypt
Didn't we also have a Savanah map or something? That one looked beautiful, but I can't remember if it was official
frigid cosmos
what was it
frigid cosmos
oooh him
inner orbit
This suggestion was so pointless and long
feral wedge
Yeah that one falls into the area of being inappropriate.
frigid cosmos
noooo dondi man bad nooo
feral wedge
Criticism is fine. Attacking is not. The line isn’t a hard one to find between the two.
valid elk
Anyone wanna talk about mine?
covert birch
Troodon pounce bad cuz well
even larger F you to velo
Only mechanical difference between the two is pounce and venom atm
Giving one pounce is well, just gonna shorten that gap
valid elk
Well, Velociraptor is a bleeder, not a venomous animal.
covert birch
ok dart, lemme give you a comparison
both Rex and tarbo both can would be grapple
Just make tarbo a bleeder and rex a bonebreaker and ya got 2 different animals right there amiright?
No im not, just cuz they do 1 thing differently doesnt mean that the overall playstyle wouldnt be the same
especially with bleed and venom lol, the whole venom strategy is literally just a better bleed one, hell the concept art gives us clues into troodons venom as a whole bite n wait type game, which is well exactly what bleeders do
valid elk
Hm...I guess. Still, I like the idea of it jumping on and hanging on, pumping venom into the prey item, like a gila.
covert birch
@pallid trail when suggesting animals you cant just do the whole
I like this plz add it
You need to provide how it would be unique/work among the roster
Which terror birds wouldnt since they are literally just carno and/or utahs playstyle in a fursuit
pallid trail
yeah lol forgot about that i'll delete it whoops :0
would you happen to have a template or should I just wing it when suggesting a dino
covert birch
idk bout a template
but like just explain how it can be different to other animals
and what unique mechanics you can give it n such
pallid trail
oo oki thanks
covert birch
as much as i love epiden theres like one issue with it
pallid trail
ye ik they smol beans maybe they can amp the size for the game if they add them
covert birch
I mean, idk any tree short enough that it can hop on
nor any tree with a hole or somethin
Wanna know what would be more intersting then epiden
Aye-aye ambient ai
We lack really any arboreal ambient ai that we know off
mostly aquatic ones
languid crown
its got a high jump, maybe it can jump onto a trunk then jump off the trunk into a branch?\
pallid trail
oo ye that could work
vast wolf
a better option for an arboreal predator would be microraptor or balaur.
languid crown
troodon slime though, thoughts?
covert birch
god no
pallid trail
I think its a bit op but I like the idea with humans torching them lolol
covert birch
also, why cant wallowing do something similar without the negative effects
pallid trail
ye wallowing is similar
languid crown
yeah but you cant torch mud can you?
languid crown
what
vast wolf
wat.
severe idol
Let's not intentionally try to start an argument.
vast wolf
covert birch
gharial moment
languid crown
ok but, sneaking into a human base needs some way for humans to counter it
vast wolf
yeah fair. i start things without realizing.
covert birch
ok but, sneaking into a human base needs some way for humans to counter it
They have guns right?
languid crown
easy way is to just torch them, but then you miss out on the potential fuel
vast wolf
ok but, sneaking into a human base needs some way for humans to counter it
close quarters + guns + doors.
severe idol
You know what's an awesome counter for dinosaurs sneaking in? ...an electric fence and a guard.
covert birch
Torching an animal inside your own base is an ingenious idea lol
that 100% wont go wrong lol
vast wolf
electric fence.
languid crown
guns dont break the Genevan convention
severe idol
The animal that, by your mechanics, makes its own potent fuel and you want to set it on fire in your own compound? That's a horrible idea.
pallid trail
you can torch dinos without slime too
covert birch
On another note
Mercs aint getting flamethrowers
vast wolf
troodon gets set on fire. say goodbye to the nearest explosives.
silver zephyr
add gasosaurus and make it a bombardier beetle your torches mean nothing
severe idol
All you'd be doing is making suicide bomber dinosaurs and I can promise that isn't happening.
vast wolf
even like flammable gas.
covert birch
All you'd be doing is making suicide bomber dinosaurs and I can promise that isn't happening.
homalo exists tho
vast wolf
meteor pteras.
covert birch
quetz lawn darts
vast wolf
covert birch
quetz should 1 shot allo if it kamikazees itself into the allos head
languid crown
jap quetz
covert birch
yep
languid crown
also gets bonzai ability
covert birch
dino ww2
vast wolf
quetz gets fired out of cannon and becomes the living embodiment of terror.
dino ww2
this is a game.
dino-d day.
languid crown
who are the paratroopers?
covert birch
para
languid crown
damn good call
pallid trail
I think Epidendrosaurus would be so fun in game if they were bigger lol
barren zephyr
i mean they could prob increase it to about the size of hypsi it doesn't necessarily have to be realistic
covert birch
I mean, does any animal exist that is larger which can do the same thing
Other then the aye-aye
Cuz if not i dont see an issue
barren zephyr
there used to be giant aye-ayes on madagascar which are now extinct
filled the same niche
covert birch
By giant i guess you mean like only 10% larger
barren zephyr
"Giant aye-ayes are believed to be very similar morphologically to the aye-aye, but 2 to 2.5 times larger, based upon jaw and incisor measurements."
this is regular aye aye size
peak wedge
Listen dude im sorry but that bird dino thing looks like what a swan would look like recreated like dinos
Its creeping me out
barren zephyr
Opinions?
silent current
Yes
barren zephyr
Huh?
ashen elm
I'd be happy with any large Diplodocid, but I think the fact that Bronto already has a model makes Diplo itself unlikely even without considering the clipping issue.
I think the strongest positive Diplo has is that outside of a roblex game Era of Terror none of the bigger dinosaur survival games have it as a staple sauropod.
ebon tiger
probably because of how long it is
ARK's got longer stuff, but the clipping issues etc. with them are ridiculous
ashen elm
Yea, it's hard to make it look good with the clipping.
Apato/Bronto is probably the longest sauropod that seems doable at 20-21 m.
PoT even put a hard limit of no animals past 60 ft/20 m in their game.
ebon tiger
aye, especially if you want collision
languid crown
thankyou @random imp
barren zephyr
Opinions?
@barren zephyr i can see where youre going and frankly id love to have apato, but he is just so wide and long it would look weird probably. Sauropods look weird as it is in this game and in others no matter what you do. Not sure they can manage an even BIGGER dino. And yeah evrima blah blah, its an issue with all dino survival games. Unless the isle knows something everyone else doesnt
barren zephyr
i mean brachi is pretty large
also why replace camara with diplo
camara has it's place as a mid browser that most carnivores wouldn't wanna fuck with. don't get me wrong i love sauropods.
hell i want shunosaurus and if it were up to me i'd have most of 'em as AI tough af food
barren zephyr
i mean
nothings wrong with it
only the most well equipped dinosaurs would be able to bring 1 down
ashen elm
I'm aware, just joking with you. I respect your opinion even if I heavily disagree with you on this. 
inner orbit
I really dislike the suggestion to replace cama with diplo
Imo I don’t understand why
white spruce
what happened to stannibal's post
barren zephyr
its being dumb
I have a few "segments" to it but the slowmode is fucking abhorrid
so I am trying to figure out how to reword it
so it all fits
why not do a doc
omg...
YOU'RE SMARTER THAN ME
also I already wrote a doc, I just didn't think to use it LOL
@barren zephyr @white spruce
it has been done
white spruce
wumbo
barren zephyr
idk
white spruce
I think it's important to provide both tribals and mercs with different faces so that people don't look identical and uncanny
barren zephyr
I can do mercs another time ZZZZZZZZ
white spruce
might be good to mention that people naturally notice differences in the faces of human-like creatures more than they do animals?
barren zephyr
could be written
white spruce
just a point in favor of customization
barren zephyr
Yeah I agree
feral wedge
@barren zephyr Your bean growth sucks! 
ebon crypt
how could you, Gar??
severe idol
Haha. Look at you with small bean growth energy.
brazen sequoia
Hypsi platforming challenge, let’s go
ebon crypt
My question is: would it be automatic or manual? And would it be able to ledge grab anything or only specific places? While I do like that idea, I do think that it should only be able to do this for specific objects. Plus, I'd imagine that taking up a bit of Stam too
brazen sequoia
I was thinking more automatic. This is basically the kind of ledge grab mechanic you would see in literally every other game ever.
No reason for it to drain more stamina than any other jump. It wouldn’t do that in any platformer or rpg, no reason it should here.
ebon crypt
The reason for me saying that it should only work on certain objects is because if it's automatic, it could be abusable and very glitchy. I also proposed the stam drain because of its small and relatively weak arms, which would be a challenge for hypsi to hang on and needing to scramble up on the ledge with its legs. And automatic ledge grabs could be glitchy too, which is again why I proposed only certain grabbable ledges
brazen sequoia
Any mechanic could be glitchy, that’s not exactly a detractor here. In any case, I’m not opposed to using a button for it while in the air, just seems less intuitive.
If by abusable you mean you can use it to get to unintended areas, that could happen, but getting to areas that are simply inaccessible for most other things is kind of the point.
Considering the tiny arms, plenty of things in this game don’t make a lot of sense anatomy wise,(see: beipis entire playstyle concept) so I don’t see this as an issue at all. It could always mostly use its legs in the animation instead.
barren zephyr
i like the idea and we're probs already getting some form of movement like that since it was up in a tree and what not
ebon crypt
By glitchy I'm mainly speaking from my experience with OverGrowth. My character would more often than not grab onto a jagged wall, which counts as a ledge for the game, and float in mid air, hanging next to a ledge. By abusable I also mean that it could, possibly, scale cliffs if its ledge crab mechanic is like anything in OverGrowth. Simply jumping near rough walls with auto ledge grab may hinder your jump or cause you to hang on unwillingly. I'm fine with it being able to hang onto flat trees or branches like in the concept art, as well as bigger, more obvious and horizontal ledges. And I don't mean make the stam drain crazy or anything, just to make sure that it can't climb onto super unreachable places as much as it wants without resting
barren zephyr
it probably would have a bit of IK involved for it to be manual
brazen sequoia
I could imagine setting some kind of parameter to prevent glitches on rough spots, like it only works on ledges with an angle of so many degrees, or that is mostly parallel to flat ground.
Jumping can drain enough stamina to prevent absurd jump spam already.
valid elk
@barren zephyr Sorry for the tag, but we have a Diplodocid already, Brontosaurus.
ebon crypt
Setting some kind of parameter could work? However a problem that I've also encountered with ledge grabs, is usually your character doesn't know how much space is behind the ledge, will attempt to stand, won't have enough space and fall. However I do think that the ledge grab should still drain at least a little bit of stamina
brazen sequoia
This is mostly meant as a supporting mechanic for what hypsi is already described to be doing: using speed and jumping ability to avoid predators in heavily forested environments
Ledges that cannot be stood upon can always be excluded, again, by setting parameters. The fact that other games don’t do that properly doesn’t make it impossible
ebon crypt
Tbh I would love a ledge grab for hypsi. I'm just thinking about possibly problems and how to solve them. Still not sure about the parameters bit though, since even if it works as intended, it could still be buggy and fail.
brazen sequoia
Oh I know, don’t worry, that’s what the discussion channel is for.
Pouncing is currently buggy and can fail.
Still a mechanic they put in
And one they continue to dial in and improve
That’s just part of the process
ebon crypt
Mmm
brazen sequoia
In any case, it’s not something strictly necessary for hypsi to be viable and play well, but I definitely think it would make it more interesting to play and give it a fun perk that makes it differ from other things that jump on objects to avoid larger animals and perch around.
Makes more sense to make that easier to do for hypsi, if things like Utah are still doing those kind of things. Just making it take more mechanical effort for Utahs to do so, since they wouldn’t have the ledge grab making it easier for them.
ebon crypt
Agreed. Though I do still think that it should have some sort of drawback. A very minor one, like consuming stam. So, for example, you're running away from some predators and you jump up to a tree, however you just don't have enough stam to climb up. That way it gives you even more incentive to be careful with your stamina usage.
For example, if a Utah misses or misscalculates its jump, it could and will cost it (sometimes even its life). However if hypsi is able to freely avoid missjumps, it just gives it a bit of an unfair advantage and perhaps takes away a little level of skill too.
brazen sequoia
Thing is, according to the description of hypsis play style on the roadmap, it’s meant to use both its maneuverability and its “high jumps” to avoid getting eaten.
If it is meant to use jumping during a chase, as a staple for escape, it makes more sense to make it easier to do exactly that.
I’m not opposed to making this exact thing take less skill than other creatures. Hypsi is one of the smallest things in the game, it doesn’t exactly break anything balance wise to allow it to do this.
It can still get caught out if there is nowhere to jump, and the animation for the ledge grab itself can be slowed down or sped up for balance purposes if necessary.
I am enjoying this back and forth conversation though. Thanks
ebon crypt
It was really fun. I do think that a ledge grab would be a good mechanic, especially for hypsi. I'm interested to see if and how the devs would implement it.
brazen sequoia
hell yea 👍
valid elk
Anyone wanna discuss my idea?
covert birch
@barren zephyr diplo isnt really a good choice for the game
Cuz at smaller sized species its neck is low hanging and is pretty much easily accessible by rexs spinos n gigas
And if ya do larger sized species well there are clipping issues the devs have mentioned for the reasoning against diplo multiple times
we do have a diplodocid model for brontosaurus tho, who avoids those issues by having neck spikes and not being so long to cause clipping problems
brazen sequoia
interesting tribal concept, makes it easy to apply the venom tracking without risking the loss of the captured dilo/troodon.
me likey
ebon crypt
I like the idea of poison spears and arrows, however I'm not sure how to go about collecting venom from live animals. In real life, venom extractors are in complete mercy of the snake/scorpion/turantula, ect on how much venom they give. So would the amount of extracted venom would be random?
brazen sequoia
make it dangerous by having the tribals need to pin down the animal again each time they collect, giving the dilo/troodon the option to try and retaliate by biting them instead. muhahahahah
valid elk
Well, Tribals are like...9 feet tall. If that Troodon wants to get punted across the room, it'll bite ya
Plus, taming usually entails that you feed the animal. So, if that Dilo/Troodon wants to have free food, it'll do what you want.
brazen sequoia
some tribals are 9 feet. most are normal human size and we don't know enough about them to say how common each is
valid elk
A dev confirmed all of them are like, that size, no?
brazen sequoia
no
peak wedge
Like 7ft yeah
brazen sequoia
again ALL of them being that size was never confirmed
valid elk
...Yes it was.
brazen sequoia
no. it wasnt
ebon crypt
Well they never said it was taming. More like "beating the animal into submission". Remember, these are real people, not animals. Also, what about my venom extraction question?
brazen sequoia
he said something was that tall. he did not say ALL of them were that tall
there are a lot of old concepts and conversations that imply that not all tribals are physically the same
we don't know enough about the current plan to say anything definitively
valid elk
Well, I did have a Troodon suggestion that the babies put out all their venom in a bite, while the adults can control their venom.
We don't know if the venom is more komodo dragon or more gila monster...
brazen sequoia
we know at least one type of venom will make dinosaurs puke, making them easier to track and dumping their stats
valid elk
I mean with the bite, through the saliva or the teeth.
Not what type of venom, mind you
peak wedge
Thing about the venom extraction is, if they dont give all of it, thats okay, because tribals are gonna use them to hunt anyways, and if they get cornered somewhere and have no venom you're down a animal for sure
brazen sequoia
functionally it could be either or both, depending on each dino
valid elk
Gila monster venom comes through the teeth, komodo dragon is in the saliva cuz their teeth aren't built like a snakes
@peak wedge Ye, that's true.
You don't have to get a lethal amount, just enough that the animal can track it if the prey item runs off.
peak wedge
Ya, leave the rest with the dilo/troo so even if it goes down the thing that killed it is dead
brazen sequoia
you could also allow them to store the venom in a pot or something, not directly putting it on the arrows as you extract it
valid elk
That's a good idea.
Plus, I'd love to have a little Troodon buddy. Feed him after every hunt, he can keep watch at night and have that loud af call to warn me.
peak wedge
There could be a way to strap said pot up so one dude could be the venom carrier if they arent good at fighting so you dont have a limited supply of venom, only arrows and spears
rocky sable
there would be no way to get venom forcefully from dilophosaurus or troodon that i could think of , as if you try to hold a dilo down and make it bite to extract venom its going to get back up on its feet and then kill you , same with troodon except troodon would probably call for the help of its pack and then you'd die in your sleep
unless the dinosaurs are you friends which might not happen still because friends are a myth since i dont have any , nobody can
brazen sequoia
you need to force them to the ground to "tame" them in the first place. No reason to expect that you couldn't do the same thing multiple times to harvest venom.
as for the venom collection itself.....
step 1: take knife
rocky sable
step 2: cut out venom gland
brazen sequoia
step 2: stab venom gland
rocky sable
step 3: leave it to die on the ground
rocky sable
the forbidden fruit gusher
brazen sequoia
step 3: allow venom to pour from the wound into whatever jar or flask used to store it
step 4: allow wound to heal
step 5: rinse, repeat
killing it works too tho
rocky sable
creatures dont really grow back venom glands if im correct so if you catch a wild troodon , take out the venom glands and let them free , it wont be able to hunt or only be able to hunt stuff like homalocephale and compy since it cant really kill big things without venom , so yeah if you do that you've disabled a troodon
brazen sequoia
that's why i said stab the venom gland, as in puncture a hole in it, not cut it out completely
rocky sable
but can it repair the hole
rocky sable
a small one but if someone stuck a hunting knife in my mouth and slashed a hole in the top of my gums im gonna have a big scar or surgery
rocky sable
correct but it may affect the effectiveness of the venom making it useless for the medium prey troodons take down
brazen sequoia
even if it was impossible irl, that doesn't really apply in the sense of this being a game, and it being expected that you would just heal back to full effectiveness over time
rocky sable
personally i would make it so the venom would not keep its effectiveness because you got caught , you messed up and you pay the price so now you need to adapt or have a group to feed you
brazen sequoia
you can't really apply that much realism to the situation without it being seen as nonsensical. That's why games don't ever do that
rocky sable
true
brazen sequoia
in any case, as long as the method of collection is as brutal as possible (without punishing the victimized dinosaur permanently, unless it incurs death) I will be satisfied with however it ends up working
rocky sable
well i looked it up and they can regenerate venom glands but , maybe you can get a weaker venom as apposed to another troodon like 15% less effective but the more you fall for a trapped piece of meat or an ambush the less effective your bite will be until you can heal a lot for your bite to get its potency back you'll have to rely on a pack for like 3 in game days to get full potency back if you are tapped dry of your venom
brazen sequoia
or you can't produce a full "load" of venom until it heals fully, depending on how venom production actually works or if that's even a thing.
rocky sable
that could also be a possibility
valid elk
I dunno about stabbing the venom gland, when making them bite shit would be easier. Also, venom filled animals can be tracked by said Dilo/Troodon, so it'd be easier to keep them as healthy as possible.
brazen sequoia
keep in mind troodon can hunt smaller things just fine without venom, so it wouldn't be that bad anyway
rocky sable
yeah but troodon benifits from group hunting like tenontos and standing up to utahs in a pack , hunting homalocephale and hyspi is a risky life style as you wont know when you can find another play who plays that dino
brazen sequoia
AI hypsi and homalo will be a thing, just like anything else
rocky sable
yes but before those AI are in its gonna be hard , i guess dryo AI will be something to fall back on before that but whats the chances that you miss the killing blow and it gets away or it out speeds you
your going to flub up in a few hunts and sometimes thats going to kill you
brazen sequoia
flubbing up hunts will always be a thing. Talking about balance before/after certain things are added isn't really useful. they will be added, therefore the assumption should be that we are talking about a scenario when all the necessary things for that conversation are in the game.
rocky sable
yeah
rocky sable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4wbbO71iI how do you do this with a troodon/dilo like how you'd need like 3 people to hold down a dilo
frigid cosmos
snake milker
brazen sequoia
requiring three people would be fine, probably, if you really want to keep it alive. if not, just kill it first
covert birch
Prolly would require only 2 since tribals are big 7-9 foot orc men
rocky sable
dilophosaurus usually grew to 6-7 feet tall so doing that to an elder dilo would be suicide like it would be like 9 feet at the most with some cool ass huge frills or whatever
covert birch
Elders are the same size as regular adults
rocky sable
oh but it would still have some pretty impressive weaponry like larger frills and are going to be super powerful in the first half of its elder life
valid elk
Elders become smaller and weaker over time
rocky sable
yeah but when you first become an elder like you could raid a settlement or a nesting ground or control a territory
strange wave
also frills on a dilo
valid elk
Anyone wanna discuss my idea?
strange wave
what rarity should it be, ammo and gun rare or flashlight rare
peak wedge
Sounds good to me mechanic wise, would be very situational though
valid elk
I'm thinking that it should be the gas/fuel that is rare like guns, but the welder should be in the base once they set it up.
I'm talking actual buildings and shit, not like a tent with some walls.
barren zephyr
maybe a torch could be a thing you could find in an abandoned building with very little fuel that can also be found
valid elk
That's a good idea.
barren zephyr
could also be a tool you'd have to maintain clean/ etc for durability sake
peak wedge
Youd have to hear the utah coming, not be in the room with the utah or be near enough to a door to get in, weld the door before the utah gets in, hope and pray theres another door, hope and pray the utah doesnt know theres another door, get out before the utah gets in
valid elk
That's the great thing, cuz if you use it and you fuck yourself, it's on you.
Not the welder
barren zephyr
guy's got a point
valid elk
First thing I do when I set up a base is map out the area.
Where are the exits? Is there a place someone can get in? Where are the weaknesses?
barren zephyr
would be cool if you could also use it as a damage tool incase you're caught out in the middle of doing something with said torch. obviously nothing like a gun but something to defend yourself with like a stick if you're getting attacked by bugs n shit
valid elk
Do I have a height advantage and a good field of vision, etc etc etc
Oh, true. Could just use it to burn the bastard
Depending on the welder. A stick or wire welder, obviously not, plasma, absolutely
barren zephyr
like you got troodons surrounding you and you have the torch out. if they get on you and stick on you. you could easy just melt 'em
if of course it's at the right angle
valid elk
Ye. Set the bastard on fire.
You're probably fucked either way, better to go down fighting
valid elk
Weapon outta ammo? Fuckin' use it as a bat.
peak wedge
It could be used to weld excess metal over windows and stuff, i can see that
barren zephyr
don't have a knive on ya but you got a screwdriver? jab it
oh yeah to fortify your base n shit. i'd love stuff like that
valid elk
Ooh, that's a good idea. Welding shit to the walls/gates for some primitive armor.
valid elk
Weld a knife to it or something
honest sparrow
Exactly
barren zephyr
or weld a scope on something that doesn't particularly fit the scope
valid elk
Ye
See? This welding thing is a good idea. I just pitch it and everyone has their own idea on it.
barren zephyr
yee. it all just depends on how indepth the team wanna get with merc stuff
peak wedge
I think metal big enough to cover a window in 1 shpuld be hard to find, but if you have broken guns or random things around you dont need, like chairs or whatever, break em apart and weld them together to make a decent cover
valid elk
Ooh, that's a great idea.
peak wedge
I wanna make a doc of merc buildings now, like fortifications and tempprary bases if youre surrounded by like 10 dilos with your group and are building something to provide cover for the night
barren zephyr
would be cool if mercs could craft like a highly explosive spear. like it would take a decent amount of materials. a freshly spawned merc wouldn't be able to make 'em n such but it would be a slight explosive. would def kill say a tribal if it hit and detonated. but if it was thrown on a rex. it wouldn't straight up kill it depending on where it lands plus there comes the skill of actually throwing it
valid elk
True.
strange wave
throws a small explosive into a rexes mouth, blows up and the rex just looks to you pissed off
barren zephyr
pffff yeah like dmg wise could def kill a utah but if you miss you wasted alot of materials and you don't have the explosive on you anymore
be better than having just a straight up RPG
valid elk
True that.
peak wedge
Okay ima make that doc give me a month or two
barren zephyr
explosive spear?
peak wedge
Ill put it in
peak wedge
@barren zephyr @valid elk Docs done, wanted to ask you guys first before posting in feedback for any suggestions of stuff to add or change, especially since your ideas are in there
barren zephyr
gib sec
peak wedge
Kk
barren zephyr
you gotta make it public eeeeeeee
peak wedge
Thx
barren zephyr
i like it so far
though one can make simple spears out of sticks and what not to a sharpen point. though as a scrap idea. could make sense
peak wedge
Yeah, i was thinking bout that but then tribals
And i mean its basically the same thing anyways but tribal spears would prob do more damage, i could do that instead
covert birch
As much as I love small tyrannosaurs
I feel like making mono play like juvi rex similar to how Alberto plays like sub rex would be better then this timurlengia
valid elk
Guanlong could work in that role.
inner orbit
Idk about guanlong
valid elk
Mind you, Guanlong is a small Tyrannosaur, or, at least their ancestor. Looks different enough to Dilo that it's easily recognized...
inner orbit
Still
valid elk
It still isn't a great pick.
covert birch
It lookin diff dknt matter when yaknow
The obvious mono problem exists
valid elk
However, no other game has it. And you can argue it could be a non-venomous Dilo, why add it?
covert birch
No other gaming having it doesnt really have any validity as an argument imo
covert birch
Fossil fighters has everything lol
valid elk
Fossil Fighters is a great game though. Can't argue with results.
Tbh, it does look like Mono.
covert birch
Most singular created dilo look alike are like mono
opaque blaze
That Elephant sounds like a damn Balrog 😳
barren zephyr
@opaque blaze couldn’t find any better lol
iron jolt
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random imp
the "tap and continue to make sounds unless you tap again" sounds dumb. it's like having an auto spam calling, and honestly is a bit reduntant...
noble pine
Having their sounds more realistic takes away the great creative liberties dinosauriac has gone to to give us the amazing sounds we have now. Don’t get me wrong, if they were accurate from the beginning it’d be good but you can’t flop everything over and expect the general player base to be happy.
languid crown
isnt 'accurate' dinosaur sounds just the muted moans of an old man? I thought they couldnt roar or anything
covert birch
Definition wise they do roar
But nothing jp style
More cassowary deep rumbles style prolly
languid crown
yeah i prefer my dinos not sounding like their choking on a wet donut
cobalt compass
@barren zephyr wdym by "more realistic sounds"? the biggest problem is rn we have no clue how dinosaurs sounded and most scientists agree that comparing tham to mammals is not the correct way. its just that popculture makes us believe the sounds they're using are more relevant, and i agree on the fact that these are very impressive and have a cool impact when watching a movie.
i'd leave the "realistic sounds" to saurian
inner orbit
I don’t want to hear a pigeon
random imp
Dinos actually is believed to have low frequence sound. The big ones at least, because low sounds travel far, near the ground
And have the dinos just rumble in a low pitched sound is just not as amazing as having them roar
barren zephyr
Oh eh.. everybody I didn’t mean “realistic sounds” as in how they would of sounded irl, not at all actually. I meant “realistic sounds” as... well imagine if The Isle dinosaur was in real life (The Isle version of their dinosaur) they wouldn’t have sounded just like in game but would of had many variants of broadcast, friendly etc... that’s why I used the term “realistic sounds” as a more alive like version of it.
I probably used the term realistic sounds wrong and I admit it. I probably didn’t explain non of this good enough but trust me, it was really hard to explain what I wanted to say in my suggestion and I may have to redo all of it.
And why I used sounds of modern animals was not to compare them. It was used as an example to show that “all animals” has more then one variety sounds and display for one specific meaning. Those specific meanings being broadcast, passive behavior, threating display and warning other members (1,2,3,4).
If you don’t like the function of it and not the way to activate it either. Please tell me what you prefer then.
inner orbit
My issue is you chose mammalian sounds
It would’ve made more sense to choose crocodilian sounds and bird ones
Wait
I’m being dumb
barren zephyr
Yeah I didn’t mean mammalian sounds as inspiration to design new ones
Lol it’s okey
cobalt compass
all good, just needes some clarification
barren zephyr
Thank you. Do you have any advice on how to do so?
cobalt compass
not yet, still at wörk
barren zephyr
Aight
random imp
Still, an auto call spam is not needed
They are also trying to counter spam callers with the Out of breath mechanic
Adding a mechanic that let you make random, unnecessary sounds without end unless you stop it is just the worse
peak wedge
That second image looks like a kindergartner tried to draw a dog
I mean the animal also looks like a kindergartner tried to draw a dog so its okay i guess
barren zephyr
@random imp please don’t call it auto spam call because that is what I was trying to avoid. Yes there could be an end to it and no it’s not necessary at all. It’s only a feature to allow animals to feel more natural
But I get your point. I’ll have to work on it a bit more and then it’ll fine
inner orbit
Not being funny but Euchambersia burrowing isn’t a great idea
Rn there’s a lot of confirmed burrowers so I agree more with Blue thinking it should be arboreal
mental sleet
FTASpear, Nested Hatchlings have an immense set of advantages over spawned juveniles.
sly rose
such as?
covert birch
actually being in a group when ya spawn
having confirmed food/other nutrition benefits to come
combined with the fact you cant invite people across the map no more for groups
mental sleet
Better Spawns, protection thanks to the parents, (if they aren't dumb) optimal food sources
sly rose
alright, cool
mental sleet
if your parents feed you well, the only upside spawning as a juvenile has (the initial growth) is redundant, as a well-fed hatchling will likely wind up as an adult faster than an average juvenile.
covert birch
Rn there’s a lot of confirmed burrowers so I agree more with Blue thinking it should be arboreal
there is no animal actually directly confirmed to make its own burrows
everythings either been mentioned in passing or are found on concept arts which we have previously been told not everything may find its way there
Homalo is obviously the most likely tho
sly rose
sounds good, mostly was the group system that was bothering me about old isle nesting
what about my idea on scent marking and cannibalism adverse affects?
covert birch
markings gonna be a thing eventually
like wallowing leaving behind rubbed mud, and ceratopsids scratching horns on trees, along with some mentioned in passing happiness system along with those
Cannibalism is gonna negatively affects players in the future with like cerato being hte 1 exception we know that is immune to said effects
Ages ago it was said you would go albino via cannibalism but im not sure if it was scrapped or not
sly rose
I like that, the sickly appearance
scent marking would be ideal though, so I dont chase something into the jungle and go 'uhhhhh.... where am I?' haha
silver zephyr
is going albino cause of cannibalism an actual irl thing?
sly rose
no
silver zephyr
sly rose
is color customization or variation coming back?
silver zephyr
yes
sly rose
would like it if it were depending entirely on your parents if you are hatched and random if you are spawned
slight variation in size from successful surviving would be nice too. Like someone who has never gotten under a certain percent for food/water should be able to grow a little bigger while someone malnourished does not
inner orbit
Tbf burrows are just generic
covert birch
"hysi will be able to climb/perch on trees"
it just jumps high
it aint climbing trees
it wasnt really a tree branch
more a like 4 foot high stump
languid crown
@verbal acorn i like
covert birch
Cursed minmi suggestion
zinc rivet
it's not even a suggestion. It's just my feedback on it
covert birch
Cursed feedback then
The whole thing was said to be water adjacent from the start
Personally am disappointed they gave it tools to complete ignore that but hey
Mud camo minmi is cool too
But it being able to burrow doesnt necessarily save it, hell we dont know if it burrows or if its pulling a dryo and stealing em or entering preexisting ones
zinc rivet
I bet it burrows since it's shown submerging itself underground
covert birch
I'm talkin bout the central burrow image
Not the submerge thing
zinc rivet
burrowing is just submerging deeper
if it can dig a hole big enough to sink into, with enough time it can dig a burrow
covert birch
Mechanically we dont know if that's true
zinc rivet
im talking realistically
not game mechanically
and I'm aware it was going to be in the water from the start, but at the very least they could have actually made it have a niche and adaptations for it other than "it can go in water to eat water plant, but it dont need to lol"
pale schooner
I see it sorta like a large turtle, burrowing on mud banks and eating aquatic plants, but able to hide itself in the mud if it spots a predator
covert birch
The thing is
It literally does need to with preferred foods n such
zinc rivet
then it's literally just a gimmick if that's the only reason it goes in water
pale schooner
I like that it can survive either in or out of the water, adds player choice. Then again their preferred food is prob aquatic
covert birch
Combined with the fact that puts it in a generally much safer place then the land since well much less predators and much less food competition
zinc rivet
why would a creature that can survive on land absolutely perfectly fine with no trouble just happen to only eat underwater plants even though it doesn't even show the slightest adaptations for it?
uh no Deinosuchus and the Spinosaurs exist
pale schooner
It can go in water to escape land preds, on land for aquatics, and in burrow for both
zinc rivet
and it seems to have like no defense against them when underwater. Can't pretend to be a rock when oxygen is limited
covert birch
Yes deino and spino exist
Wanna know what also exists
The rest of the carni roster who are mostly land specced
zinc rivet
and that's where it camouflages and hides
covert birch
Who will fuck it up if the creature was land bound
zinc rivet
it hides from them, but it can't hide underwater because it needs to breathe
covert birch
Being spotted is an inevitability ngl
I used to think the same thing of oh git gud n hide
But you will eventually get found out
No matter how good ya play
covert birch
Being aquatic half of its life is much better for it then being land adapted
Especially with trample coming in and being universal
And well it being submerged it ain't gonna have a fun time being stepped on
pale schooner
Like beipi, who only swims cause his food’s in the water. It could be a well-defended tiny land animal
zinc rivet
this especially just hurts to look at for me. The nostrils are farbelow the water when it's doing an action that semi-aquatic creatures with raised nostrils do
show me a creature that lives part of it's life in the water and doesn't have it's nostrils raised for this, i dare you
covert birch
It can just
Lift its head tho
pale schooner
I mean I get it, but it’s a game
zinc rivet
a game that aims for fictional realism
pale schooner
Spino bro
covert birch
Magy moment
covert birch
Minmi is plenty fictuonally realistic too since it can just
Raise its nose
Also that
zinc rivet
not on the top, raised up
those nostrils are high enough so when they poke their eyes above the water, the nostrils are close up enough to breathe
pale schooner
It doesn’t seem that beipi will be 100 percent in the water either, it’s just an option for it to get food
zinc rivet
Minmi's are very far below and he's gotta stick a large amount of his head out
covert birch
I feel like a slight thing like that literally doesnt have issue
But that's more subjective
Plus the thing is meant to be more hippo like then turtle like in the water
So more stayin on the bottom, where well camo as ya said can also come in great
pale schooner
I feel the nostrils are a non issue for sure
still temple
show me a creature that lives part of it's life in the water and doesn't have it's nostrils raised for this, i dare you
Elephant seals would like to have a word
jade schooner
lol
still temple
and nostril position is such a small thing to be nitpicky about when stuff like Magy and Spino exist.
covert birch
Nostril issues are like theri missing a toe
Rex teeth being textureless
Etc
Like they literally have no affect on gameplay whatsoever nor will you be seeing it/focusing on it commonly
still temple
that's fictionally realistic
if Magy and Spino can be considered "fictionally realistic" (whatever the hell that even means), then minmi is too.
jade schooner
In any case, i feel like what they'll go with will be more related to holding their breath. It does trigger me a bit as well where it's slightly poking out, but it's nostrils aren't outside. Other than that, behaviour wise it kinda presents itself like a pigmy hippo if you'd want to aim for realism (in the concept of course. The actual animal I doubt would've had any semiaquatic behaviour at all attributed to it)
inner orbit
It could also just be spy hopping
barren zephyr
Beipi should like, not even be a duck but I’m not complaining, cuz it’s hella cool
bleak atlas
I think it doesnt breath on thr concept there, its more looking out of the water to see if its save to go on land again
Or if there's a predator in general
barren zephyr
Oh eef minmi talk
silver zephyr
@barren zephyr btw you could probably also put it in fan art so more people can see it
arctic nimbus
^^
inner orbit
Why does it not show austro fishing?
covert birch
Austro diving into water fish like kingfisher
silver zephyr
yeah
also shows some fish on the right side so kinda implies it there
otherwise would just be a random fish doodled on the page
inner orbit
Excellent
silver zephyr
so yes kingfisher austro good
valid elk
@barren zephyr Wanna point this out, Austroraptor is Utahraptors size.
Both are basically man sized.
barren zephyr
bear sized
sacred moat
Everything on the fanart looks good, but idk how I feel about austro diving into an ocean to catch fish. I could maybe see austro hunting in small rivers/ponds/lakes
silver zephyr
i think it was more or less to show the diving in action
cause the oceans are more open
but idk
could probably dive into ponds, lakes, and rivers to but it would need some place to get a height advantage from
barren zephyr
It’s lovely to see your thoughts on it. Thank you all for the feedback!
Btw, I did not think you guys would pay that much attention to it. I’m sure am surprised
I wanted to add a bunch of Austros in one image where they are all chasing the only individual with fish in its mouth, like seagulls
But I was running out of space and got tired of trying hard to make it perfect
mighty girder
@barren zephyr Prob better suited to fanart honestly but cool to see anyways
mighty girder
Eh I think minmi's skin is fine
turtles burrow and they dont stick out
and thats what its skin is based off of
plus god willing by the time they get to minmi skin customization will be back (cant believe it isnt yet)
cobalt compass
@gritty siren having these assets ready by the time when humans are planned on the roadmap, is cruical for time management. ue4 has hundreds or even more ready assets for human in store afaik, but modelling, rigging and painting them all by the team does consume much time. so working ahead of the schedule is the only clever thing to do. what would you do with just humans but no human environment and props like: ammo, weapons, items, vehicles? run around with an standart assest like the white polymodel?
barren zephyr
Plus buildings have always been a thing anyway so
random imp
and "failed"? lol it's been stated since the beginning of this game that dinosaurs come before humans. when they are finished and working humans can be implemented.
cobalt compass
i mean, they could just throw in the one they used before, but... not so cool ig
gritty siren
@barren zephyr building, not computers or tables
mighty girder
I can see their point
if humans are no where near close to coming, making all the human reliant shit doesnt make much sense if the man power could be sent towards progressing the current goal
which afaik is just catching up to legacy
both sides have merit
inner orbit
You could roll in mud
hybrid tiger
yeah its like your skin colour wouldnt matter if you just roll in mud and youre camoflaged
covert birch
idk how wallowing is a very helpful thing cuz well
First of all you need to go through the wallow anim
Then ya need to go into the burrow anim
Then ya actually gotta hop into the burrow
By the time you accomplish all that your spotted by the thing your trying to hide
Also dont ignore the fact that the mud on wallowing goes away very quickly so your yellow stripe which will be noticable on the plantless mud/dirt soon after ya actually start hiding
inner orbit
Ok fair enough
hybrid tiger
i think while in the hole hiding your wallow mud wouldn't come off
proud coral
Also the mud going away quickly might be a bug.
silver zephyr
@barren zephyr i dont think utah is necessarily using its claws to attack its kinda just lunging forward but i get what ya mean
barren zephyr
Yeah it isn't using them which is why they look a little weird being flared out like that to grab instead of say, using them to balance from that lunge forward.
inner orbit
Does anyone want to chat about my suggestion
covert birch
its costly to include any animal in the game
for they all cost like 7k dollars
knotty sparrow
They’ve got like a number of animals planned already
inner orbit
It’s not like I want it rn
covert birch
They do, but more wouldnt hurt
especially when most of the animals (at least the ones we know off)
aint omnis when we only got 2
inner orbit
I just thought it would be a cool thing for the future
covert birch
They got 77 models in the files iirc including ambient ai like fish and strains
also including things we know will get a remodel n such
inner orbit
It’s the time when all my suggestions are set
knotty sparrow
I’m just waiting for Carno to be brought in. It’ll be nice to have another carnivore besides Utah
Something they can compete with
And also be cautious of in solo encounters
neat trellis
this year you wont see carno thats for sure
languid crown
thats awfully optimistic
vast wolf
the devs aren't being mysterious about the roadmap. the just don't want to push things that aren't anywhere near done or things that they haven't had time to plan.
silver zephyr
i think they are referring to the secret card on the roadmap
vast wolf
the roadmap is highlighting the immediate future. more will be added after its been talked about and put into place.
silver zephyr
Tbh I don't really find too much of an issue with the secret roadmap card. Update 2 was already looking to be pretty good without it and to learn that there is something of importance that its worth putting up on the roadmap is neat. Sure secrets suck they will always suck idk why you wouldn't want to know something. Agreed that it may have not been the best time to do a secret thing but I just don't think its as big of a deal as some make it out to be.
winged ember
I agree with the point that focusing AI is the wrong way. More dinos, mechanics and Performance is needed more. And with AI, Performance most likely will get worser. At the current state of the game, new playable dinosaurs and mechanics will be much much better. And it wouldnt be a problem to simply add Grouping and the dryo so that we have something new. And then add AI a few weeks later
vast wolf
it looks to be some sort of mechanic. likely more advanced combat with knockdowns, bleed, leg break and better grappling.
ai has been in the works for 2-3 months at this point and adding dryo as a playable takes more than adding it as ai.
winged ember
As long as the secret is really something to get hype i dont have a Problem with it but we will see
silver zephyr
if its worth putting up on the roadmap at all its something decent
silver zephyr
@fervent lodge the people working on update 2 are mostly the animators and modelers atm because they have nothing to really left do in update 1. update 1 is basically just testing at this point
i get where your coming from though thats its taking a while
fervent lodge
Honestly it doesn't even matter to me anymore. I have given up on getting any new content. This game develops at a snails pace. The Isle used to be my favorite game of all time. Words cannot express my disappointment. We waited a whole year for evrima to drop. then evrima dropped & we have waited another 3+ months for any new content, & we are still waiting. I am pretty much done. It breaks my heart to say so but I cannot continue to set myself up for disappointment by having any faith that new things are coming. Wake me up when evrima is playable, probably in 2 years.
silver zephyr
🤔
winged ember
@fervent lodge they're making a completely new game. and that has its reasons because a lot of not so nice stuff happened in the background that I don't want to talk about now. The Isle is going to be great, just a little slower right now because from what i heard the AI programmer has an injury
winged ember
Idk i heart that he made a break because of that
Dont want to spread false information so it could be otherwise, but that was the story that i heard
ebon crypt
Amar0k said that his knee fell off or something. Obviously it was an overexaturation, but still
winged ember
Oh yeah, checked his messages in isle-discussion. It seems like he was "away" until yesterday.
fervent lodge
@winged ember I know very well about what is going on behind the scenes right now. I dont care for anymore excuses. I have been with the isle since early 2016. I have been patient for going on 5 years. I dont have the desire/willpower to accept excuses anymore. I have taken their excuses with grace for almost 5 years, & everyone has a breaking point. New game or not, development is at snails pace, all time slow. the isle is a big nothing sandwich, & there is no sign that it is going to change soon. So much for what used to be my favorite game of all time. I suppose tell me when there is an actual ecosystem in evrima & there is a point to playing the game. Then I might change my tune. Wake me up when there is results IN GAME, not pretty pictures/gifs in the discord. That does nothing.
silver zephyr
ok
winged ember
...
frigid cosmos
no thoughts head empty
silver zephyr
dino left yesterday it seems and according to punch it was due to burnout
random imp
whoa
so sorry for him
theIsle is losing one piece after another... this makes me so sad.
frigid cosmos
so sad 😳 😭 😤 💪 🍞
silver zephyr
i mean not to sound rude to dino but at least the people leaving arent like programmers like para was a marketing guy and dino did sounds. although his sounds were very nice
severe idol
He left a few days ago. Almost 4.
silver zephyr
still sad to see em go
random imp
yhea, development wise it could have been worse, but still...
silver zephyr
random imp
i hope they'll hire a bunch of new guys... this team needs to regain all his strength
severe idol
The team's a fair bit larger than the ones shown in this Discord. They aren't hurtin' for people and I don't think Dinosauriac was the only one making sounds.
random imp
you have a point
severe idol
The Developers have their own Discord that they do all of their developing in. The ones here are just the brave ones that'll weather the constant storm that is this place.
random imp
lol
still, these are not so happy times... i hope that things will return to normality.
molten tulip
People expecting 10ish people to make a AAA level game in 3 months as if games just appear out of thin air
silver zephyr
I mean idk if they are expecting a AAA level game that quick they just want some decent content/update. Whether you like it or not its been rather slow lately. I personally don't mind but I can see why people feel the way they do.
languid crown
Idrc, I bought the game two years ago, idk if I'd buy it again now but I knew what I was getting.with legacy and I'm busy enough to not really care when the next update comes
molten tulip
3 months goes by very very fast in a complex project
covert birch
we dont know
cobalt compass
@charred nova
oi, how many suggestions of stupen did YOU do? 6?
cobalt compass
yeah, no problem with it, but using it inflationary is kinda... you know, not cool
livid sage
It's an alright suggestion
untold yew
When you're pretty sure Don said no turtles
random imp
the only non dinosaur related creatures will be megalania and titanoboa iirc
cobalt compass
@abstract haven how could they achieve that?? thats a serious question. how can one use AI as a gamefeature and make it almost resourceless, yet pleasant to the player? we dont need AI at all if you ask many core gamer from the first days of the isle in progression, but its meant to be an addition that populates the server making it feel more alive. AI has to be challenging and rewarding, we dont need AI from legacy that is literally just a placeholder, an emergency solution
charred nova
dondi actually said dont get your hopes up for it and hes said that for mutiple different species we will or have right now
abstract haven
@cobalt compass didn't mean AI to be like in legacy, but more I ment that ne amunt of AI should be small in numbers so that servers don't suffer, of course it will be configurable.
there's always a trade off of what you can achive vs what you want in the software development.
The more complex the system - more potential bugs. That's why they currently have problems with ai running in groups.
Having single AI dino is easier and less bug-prone.
If I was developing it, I would actually make single AI instances, make so that there's 5 AI instances running on the current map at any given point of time and test it and see how it affects a gameplay.
Then iterate based on learnings and feedback.
icy lion
thats what we're doing in QA, and as punch said, we dont think ai is ready
cobalt compass
thx lunary, excactly. atm the team evaluates the best compromise between performance and amount of AI. our best advice is "keep calm and enjoy some tea"
we do our very best to manage the things that make you happy @abstract haven
abstract haven
awesome, thanks for the info! 👍
valid elk
You know, I had an idea that Troodon could pounce instead of lunge and could do a quick bite (little to no venom), or bite and hold on (to deliver more venom). I like your idea more with the lunge and hop back, but maybe it could kick off of the animal instead of hopping back?
barren zephyr
If that’s a thing the devs could pull off then that’d be cool
valid elk
Mind you, Utahraptor had a kick where it'd stop its attack, kick off the animal and land to run off.
silver zephyr
tbh a lunge fits troodons playstyle of hitting and running compared to pouncing
valid elk
Cuz the hop back on the ground looks a bit goofy, but not too goofy
silver zephyr
a pounce i just dont think suits troo at all
valid elk
Like, it could work, but at first look, you kind of go "What is it doing?"
silver zephyr
a hit and run type attack works wonders
valid elk
True.
silver zephyr
a lunge and dodge attack also is more unique than utah pounce but for troodon
valid elk
Usually, venomous animals like to bite and hold on as long as they can to deliver the venom, so maybe it could lunge and hold on while the other nip.
silver zephyr
or not a hold on
valid elk
Mind you, that is also a problem cuz that give the target an animal to hit off, but they also have to focus on the other packmates
silver zephyr
troodon i would assume is fairly fragile so having an attack that keeps it in a dangerous position makes no sense imo
like at least utah is somewhat beefy
valid elk
Like I said, it is a trade off. You become an easier target, but you also pump more venom into the animal, you know?
silver zephyr
yes but that doesnt mean it fits the animal
silver zephyr
troo is all about hitting and running while afflicting venom. attacks that keep troo on the target for a decent amount of time like pounce isnt a good idea since it doesnt benefit it at all really
valid elk
I could maybe see it working as a "I have to shake it off while running" sorta deal.
Not a fight, like the lunge
More like a "Prey is booking, Imma hop on and hang on while biting", but Troodon is more of a hit and run, I agree
outer condor
Troodon lunge > troodon pounce
valid elk
Right, I agree. Lunge is a better idea.
The hop back feels like it should be more of a kick off or maybe a push off?
barren zephyr
Could always be changed
silver zephyr
i think the hop back fits imo
barren zephyr
usually when I write suggestions I leave it up to the viewers to make their own changes in this channel; I know not everything will be perfect just doing it by myself
valid elk
Like I said, the hop is fine, I feel like it could work with a push or kick off more. That is just me. The lunge idea is perfect, reminds me of a cobra or rattlesnake striking
barren zephyr
I got the hop back idea from those compy bastards in JP2 (I think) where they’re all frantic n shit
silver zephyr
i like the idea of doing a little nip then hopping back.
idk exactly how a push or a kick would work
especially if you miss the target the hop works better in this scenario
valid elk
That makes sense.
barren zephyr
Didn’t even think of that lmfao
silver zephyr
of what?
barren zephyr
the missing the target thing you said
valid elk
The miss.
valid elk
I feel like I should add onto my welding idea for Mercs, but I also feel like the welder itself works just as it is.
silver zephyr
Ok stan but is the troodon lunge compatible with troodon slime doe 😳
barren zephyr
😳 that’s up to you 😳
silver zephyr
covert birch
troodon slime isnt compatible since you would just slip when you try to jump fowards/back
outer condor
Troodon using its slime to slip out of a Utah pounce then lunge the Utah
barren zephyr
amazing
outer condor
Yes
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