#general-feedback-discussion | The Isle Official Discord | Page 584

tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I'm aware

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I think that Compy just about checks out, although perhaps it's a bit more bulky on this size comparison.

inner orbit Jul 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Sorry

tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Velo appears to be slightly larger on Nova's chart

inner orbit Jul 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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That looks more like troodon’s size

tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Troodon is the green one more in the back

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Granted there's very little size difference between the two

inner orbit Jul 27, 2020, 8:08 PM

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I think the velociraptor should have a tiny downsize

tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I think it should be made larger, if you make it even smaller than it was in reality it's getting into this size range where it's really not worth interacting with for the big part of the roster, same with all the oros and hypsis of this world.

inner orbit Jul 27, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I mean Novas one

tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Oh

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I will ask him about it

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It appears he hasn't used just one specimen for this estimate

inner orbit Jul 27, 2020, 8:10 PM

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The one I got was from the NHM website

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Or this one

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tepid gate Jul 27, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Franoys put it at 36kg and perhaps made it even slightly larger than Nova so I'm not sure... I think it checks out?

mortal kestrel Jul 27, 2020, 8:14 PM

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They could probably kill some of those smallest animals if they were to be in a pack... like homalo, oro, perhaps hypsi or taco
@tepid gate Yes i agree this

unborn quail Jul 27, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Mine is based off of franoys, and a slightly larger specimen produced by Random and Franoys togehter

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which puts it slightly larger than most of the older charts out there

blazing charm Jul 27, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I quite like that Anky edit, more resembles the "iconic" look of Anky while also keeping the basis of the armadillo aspects that seem like they're for mobility.

unborn quail Jul 27, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Agreed^, The dip looks, out of place almost? the more rounded nature brings the animal together a lot more imho

thorn mountain Jul 27, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Glad y’all agree. Still keeps the look authentic and unique, but still has some of the old anky flavor to it.

safe galleon Jul 27, 2020, 8:58 PM

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I'd make it almost flat at the top instead of rounded or dipped, I think it's not look as weird but also a little more interesting

slate marlin Jul 27, 2020, 8:59 PM

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I didn't even notice the dip before in the original concept art, now I can't unsee it

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but yeah, that Anky edit indeed does look much better

mellow maple Jul 27, 2020, 9:43 PM

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^ What they all said

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lmao

slate marlin Jul 27, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I believe it's Fred's art and not Tapwing's

jade schooner Jul 27, 2020, 9:50 PM

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it is Fred's indeed

torn thistle Jul 27, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Fred did the artwork, yeah

lusty lava Jul 27, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Are people allowed on server to tell players they like "big black dicks"

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This guy called daddyconnolly in a Utah Raptor group I was in was being very "vocal" in a way that was making people feel uncomfortable and they didn't know if that kind of language was allowed on servers, so I'm asking for them as I'm also curious.

thorny yoke Jul 27, 2020, 10:05 PM

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... uhh

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... Anyways, ... i think anky should have a chonky body if its gonna have a chonky head

slate marlin Jul 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

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@barren zephyr Kissen has already talked about it before, they might change it in the future

barren zephyr Jul 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

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great!

thorn mountain Jul 28, 2020, 12:12 AM

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@surreal sedge thanks! It’s still a great piece of art the concept is, but just needed a little bit of fine tinkering. One small change can make such a difference, and I’m glad a lot of y’all like what I thought Anky needed.

surreal sedge Jul 28, 2020, 12:14 AM

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frankly it just needs anything but anky in a rhino costume, i like how theyre trying to make it appear more viable so they can have more fun with the animations and have it look more believable but i think theyre going about it the wrong way

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i think my suggestion of increasing back leg size to give it like the ability to rear up if even for an instant to help turn faster kinda like the triceratops when it does its hops could work

novel lotus Jul 28, 2020, 8:00 AM

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I think some herbis deserve a leg break ability, because I don’t think the it’s realistic that a powerful swing from an anky tail would not break a leg bone while a rex bite does

ebon crypt Jul 28, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Bone break is getting a re-work, and in the future more creatures should have it.

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So anky will most likely getting a bone break

novel lotus Jul 28, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Nice

mortal kestrel Jul 28, 2020, 8:39 AM

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well anky is good animal now 🤠

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i really liked new anky but color must be red

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 9:06 AM

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lovely how of a sudden paleo experts pop up like mushrooms claiming that this or that design of a specific dino would fit the dev's (unkown) intention for that niche

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🎩 👌
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inner orbit Jul 28, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Ankys niche intention is obvious

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SLOW

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ARMOURED

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TANK

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 9:18 AM

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SLOW ✅
TANK ✅
ARMOURED 🚫

instead maybe as dmgdealer with its clubtail

inner orbit Jul 28, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Armour needs to be added

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 9:35 AM

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hmm, on second thought...
id prefer armor that protects against
smalls should die after one hit
medium like allo can be knocked out or back but have a chance as a pack to circle and go for the weakspot, i assume would be the head and neck
apex' if skilled and using techniques like ambush from cover at close range could take it on solo, otherwise pairs should be recommended. if an apex is hit they dont suffer the full time from any debuff like medium back give anky some time to "run"...
anky's attacks should do a fair amount of dmg but the prog chance for a debuff like bonebreack should imo be very high

after all dont expect to live a long and prosper life as a solo anky, get a herd and stay safe there

pale prairie Jul 28, 2020, 9:45 AM

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@barren zephyr fairly certain it's made by fred, but i do agree with you, as does most other people here.
i mean, it's only small, but it really does make a difference.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664914260648001555/737405580196708463/Anky3.png?width=1205&height=678
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/737602153530523748/image0.png

mellow vector Jul 28, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Well, the concept art is significantly more gracile and slimmer than Anky IRL to the point it's controversial, which is in line with the critique of old-anky's low max-viable-animation speed making it difficult to balance for gameplay. That makes it a very reasonable assumption that the devs want Anky to be speedier and less tank-focused than the baseline physique can support but still being somewhat tanky and slow

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Thus, suggesting animals that fit such before the concept art is acted on is useful rather than a baseless assumption.

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Tldr; if it looks like a less tanky anky and they don't think a more tanky anky works, they probably want a less tanky anky and it's worth considering non-ankies if people dislike less tanky anky.

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 10:23 AM

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please lets further call it 'Tanky'
dondiLUL

mellow vector Jul 28, 2020, 10:27 AM

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y u boo me, I not rong

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 10:29 AM

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that was not a 'boo'

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maybe a 'woo tanky' dondiLUL

quick cypress Jul 28, 2020, 10:31 AM

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TI_What

cobalt compass Jul 28, 2020, 10:31 AM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 12:38 PM

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@barren zephyr ummm. those "recreated sounds" are from Jurassic World the game

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@barren zephyr yupp they are... should I’ve mentioned it?

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yeah instead of saying you recreated sounds

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cuz that sort of wording makes it seem like You made those sounds

mellow vector Jul 28, 2020, 1:38 PM

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we are now friends for life of the order of tanky, praise be

glad dirge Jul 28, 2020, 2:07 PM

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@barren zephyr that seems kinda annoying, like I love the bug eating idea if you are some juvi carnivore or a compy, but it seems just like a burden for everyone (players & dev) that would probably take a while to create. If there was also a positive effect for certain dinos maybe, but it just seems like a big negative effect on everyone that would make you have to do more work to survive in jungle environments without getting any positive outcome

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@barren zephyr There, I’ve changed it now. Hopefully it’s better

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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@barren zephyr that seems kinda annoying, like I love the bug eating idea if you are some juvi carnivore or a compy, but it seems just like a burden for everyone (players & dev) that would probably take a while to create. If there was also a positive effect for certain dinos maybe, but it just seems like a big negative effect on everyone that would make you have to do more work to survive in jungle environments without getting any positive outcome
@glad dirge bruh you can avoid them with mud bath, it isn’t like bob storms that practically always they kill you or they annoy you to the limit. You just mud bath and you avoid them, like current herbivores like rhinos or elephants

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Stupen is amazing as a Ai creature

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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wouldnt mind if it was ai as long as players can play it without having to pay 45 quid on nycta

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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stupen would be great as an AI i mean , you could find adults and nests on the banks of rivers and swamps to hunt and deino , sucho , spino etc can hunt them in the swamps and rivers

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i dont mind it being ai like brachi as long as it can still be played as we need more aquatics and ones that can eat aquatic plants

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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that might lead onto something , maybe an dino that lives on land but can quickly swim in the water and eats the waters plants , so it has to live near water

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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ahem seals

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Like the idea of it being ai

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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imagine hunting seabirds at the coast like you could hunt them at the rocks and on cliffs OR you could be a ptera and catch a seagull

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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stupen could be a really fun playable but ai first would be a good idea

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more of a bulky aquatic that really only needs to be weary of deino

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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ik seals don't eat plants but thats what i think of with an animal that relies heavily on beaches n what not

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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mega is the lizard titano is the snake and stupen is the turtle

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Yea as a AI it would be pretty much chilling infront of most animals

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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just saying before xellos gets a hold of me

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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i feel like a more chill aquatic would be quite nice to explore the waterways

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Yea i would sit on its back as a hypsi

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Be a really cool few seconds

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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As a playable, it would be an omnivore
River turtles of that shape are that fast in water, so while it would have to avoid Deino(and presumably would do so by swimming away), it could actually be a dangerous pursuit predator of small semi-aquatics like Beipi(especially juvies. Ever seen turtles chasing ducks and ducklings?)
Basking would force it on to land semi-often, as its large size means there's not a lot of places on the water where it can hide out, so it has to be relatively exposed, giving land based carnivores a good chance to attack it in its vulnerable moments.
Being omnivorous, it would be feeding a lot on aquatic plants.
When nesting it would either be exposed for a long time, or have to hide its nest very well so that nothing can raid it, as it would be bad at defending it.

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Stupendemys isn't really my thing but I can see how it would be an attractive playable for someone else

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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that also makes it unique being able to eat bepi for example or young deinos

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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what if we went more dinosaur route and prehistoric mammal , at the coastline you could see AI lurdosaurus lounging around and they can swim and go eat underwater plants , and mercs could bring rats but they could bring a prehistoric marsupial or mammal that would have cameras on them but they continued to breed and breed until they became a food source on the isle where small dinos and juvies can hunt

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Maybe make a food event the stupen have layed there eggs now we must eat the stupen hatchlings before they get to the water

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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(Incidentally, while the Alligator Snapping turtles feeding method is more well known, common snapping turtles are specialized pursuit predators of the water. They chase down their prey and chomp, not sit and wait)

strange wave Jul 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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that also makes it unique being able to eat bepi for example or young deinos
@charred nova austro wants to know your location

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@prime hornet bear , deer , and galapogos giant tortoise wouldnt be on a dinosaur island at least , if they havent all been eaten

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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would love if one just lunged at bepi

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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yea it makes sense that a rat could survive

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Austro is probably more ambush based and something that can target Beipi anywhere, not just the water
Stupen can be dangerous predator in water, but not much to speak of on land or even the shoreline, it's not built for an ambush lunge like deino

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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or somhow get on the isle without humans seeing but a huge ass deer

strange wave Jul 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@rocky sable lurdosaurus is a horrible addition, number 1 people would ask for it to be playable, and 2 its stupid legs are too fucking short to run, and it has zero evidence of swimming, its a stupid paleomeme

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Rats would be a huge threat to the nesting mechanic

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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which is why you'd want to watch your nest

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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While they can't really harm adult dinos they are well known egg eaters and devastate lots of island populations

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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stupen can also be for players to just explore the lakes but still need to be weary of deinos and being quite deadly in water to bepis or younger deinos plus another creature to eat aquatic plants which is always good

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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rats would be a threat to nesting so you might have to be very attentive of your nest to watch out for rats , ovi , and other nest raiders

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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TBH I'm pretty sure rats on the island would drive the apex sized animals to extinction

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They're too small for things that large to deal with without destroying their own eggs

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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realistically probs

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Utahs and other smalls could successfully defend their nest but T Rex would be completely helpless

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And it only takes one bite to kill an egg

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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would apexes have to form a symbiosis with smaller dinosaurs? like a small dinosaur guards the rexes nest from rats and then the rex shares their prey and food with the small dinosaur in order to continue a safe nesting period

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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i mean depends really

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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crocidiles team with birds to protect there eggs

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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yeah

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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makes sense there would be some symbiosis

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on the isle

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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compy could probably fill in that role tbh

strange wave Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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then why have rats when we could have something like a cretaceous mammal, larger and a small bit more intimidating while also being easier for apexes to bite without destroying their nest

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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The problem with symbiosis is that most of these animals come from drastically different places and time periods

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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like anky would could have compy and juvi pteras to pick off insects and warn the anky of danger

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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thats just mix packing

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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rex brings a carcass near it's nest. compies come and patrol the area for other potential smaller scavangers

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and compies are small enough for a rex to not really care about

charred nova Jul 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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but i like the compy idea

strange wave Jul 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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beipis eat the aquatic plants hiding deinos and the large herbivores act as a meat shield against barys and austros

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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ya know how symbiosis basically makes 2 animals work together? what ideas of dinos working together do you guys have? like maia and paras sticking around heavily armored herbivores to warn the strong herbivores as they small ones get away

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i mean. thats just a real basic thing that sometimes works. sometimes doesn't

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plus with what i said. you could just say it works and have the ambient wildlife kinda mimic that since compies are all ready going to be after carcasses like hell

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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The compy idea is great compys are like ur friends

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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except when they aren't

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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always friends

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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compies are friends not food , except when they are food

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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No always friends

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if i eat my compies who protects my eggs

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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i like how my acro suggestion was never talked about cuz someone likes turtles too much

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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hahhahahahahhahaha what was it

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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look in feedback. it's right above yours

hardy silo Jul 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Yea it be cool if acro could do a hug ability

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is acro coming 100%

strange wave Jul 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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taco...

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thats literally allo

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i mean acro is that. tried to do what allo did

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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oh yeah wasnt allo supposed to be able to like jump on camas side? why cant other dinos do stuff they did in their habitats , acro wouldve used its arms to hold down a tenonto and kill it and giga would held onto prey to inflict more damage

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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grapple onto shit yeah

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 5:07 PM

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brachi is gonna be something basically only giga can handle , unless your a really deicaded spino/rex

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because giga can latch onto the stomach/leg and bleed it out

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rex and spino would have to keep attacking

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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@rocky iris it's armor under the skin. think like a carapace fused to the spine

rocky iris Jul 28, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I'm still not a fan of how sunken in it is

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:s

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it just looks like a big weak spot and it's not attractive

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esp for an armored dinosaur

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but that's just my personal opinion. -v-

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:32 PM

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would you still wanna bite into it even if it's covered in osteoderms and basically a carapace?

rocky iris Jul 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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that's the point of anky is to have osteoderms??? i'd rather it look like it's viable and protected then have a big sunken spine

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spine = not talking about the osteoderms, literally talking about the spine that's sunken in.

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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but it's not. it just looks that way cuz of the carapace on the ass

rocky iris Jul 28, 2020, 5:37 PM

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it's still not appealing i don't think you're getting what im saying. It's supposed to be a dome shape not shunken in then bumps up over the hips. It doesn't scream "anky" to me.

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:38 PM

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then thats you're opinion

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i'v already stated why it looks like that. it's not the spine. but the carapace on the ass

rocky iris Jul 28, 2020, 5:39 PM

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that's why I said it's my personal opinion |D

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Plus you are going on about the area on the butt not the spine so again you don't get what im saying . either way it's still not attractive and looks really weak compared to what anky actually looks like.

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📎 a14043e9a5877d4e63c6ce1b0934df8d.png

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:43 PM

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let me take the image and make it more clear for you

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https://gyazo.com/3fb2c32829f42860661ef11fb2cff2a2

Gyazo

rocky iris Jul 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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k

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aint gonna continue with it

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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it's ok if you're don't like it. i'm telling you why it looks like that

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anky is a rather flat animal

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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anky's back was kinda curved up but taco i see your point

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barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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it looks better to me than always getting a turtle anky

rocky sable Jul 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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yeah , this is the new anky for the isle

white spruce Jul 28, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I don't like the curved back

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the edit somebody did of it where it has a curved back looks way better

still temple Jul 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I don't like the curved back
@white spruce I assume you mean the concave back?

white spruce Jul 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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yeah

still temple Jul 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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ic, since you used curved for both i got confused lol

white spruce Jul 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Somebody went and snapped anky over their knee

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looks like he should be paralyzed from a devastating spine injury

still temple Jul 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I'm personally just iffy on the silhouette. Feels far too mammalian with the dip.

white spruce Jul 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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it really just doesn't look good on the anky in my opinion

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like, they smoothed out a dip like that in para's back

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but now they're making an anky with a significantly more noticeable dip?

jade schooner Jul 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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To those saying the back is broken: it’s not
It’s just a different interpretation where there’s more prominence in the middle thoracic spines.
It does have a more mammalian feel, but it’s not necessarily bad.

I have to agree on the rounded edit by Fred, since it makes it more like actual Anky, but if stylized one makes its way, I don’t see why not. It’s very beautifully done as it is.

We’ll see what other edits they make for it once it gets a model

barren zephyr Jul 28, 2020, 8:15 PM

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^

paper oriole Jul 28, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Native wildlife like bears would probably get killed off or outcompeted by the dinosaurs, if anything modern birds and small, fast procreating things like rabbits and mice would look less out of place

silk hatch Jul 28, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I mean, it takes place on islands
Native wildlife is mostly going to be stuff that could fly there

paper oriole Jul 28, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Somebody mentioned bears and deer in feedback

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And galapagos turtles and the such would probably be killed off too, with so many big predators capable of crushing and flipping them

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One of those giant prehistoric turtles would work better

cobalt compass Jul 29, 2020, 6:54 AM

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@red vortex you do know that evrima is still WIP/beta? i could say no, we will stay like this forever, but fortunatly the devs and qa are working hatd to get us what we desire

red vortex Jul 29, 2020, 6:59 AM

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I was only curious is alll 😅

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:31 PM

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then just ignore the channel pings you lazy pepega jeez louise dondiFacepalm

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:35 PM

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im not in many discords and like keeping pings to a minimum, and i dont want to mute this server entirely because i like getting the announcement pings. itd hurt no one to use here instead

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:36 PM

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then just ignore #stream-announcements? they've seperated it to make it easier for people to ignore it

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:37 PM

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I do have it set to that but still get pings. I presumed everyone pings just override that but could be a bug on my end then maybe, idk.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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go to notification settings and set it to 'nothing', that could help

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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It is

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I don't think you can entirely disable pings though

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Loops back around to my point then. here pings just... make more sense given the scenario

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I have many servers muted yet the pings are still showing

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but at least I don't get a notification for it

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯ i just don't want to be getting pings for something that I can't watch, in particular when there is a better alternative.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:43 PM

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maybe look it up on google or something

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Just did. At least as of right now, there's no way for a user to mute here and everyone pings for a specific channel within a server. Only mods/admins have any sort of control over that.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:45 PM

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maybe you can ask help from a discord moderator and they can get that fixed for you

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:49 PM

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They can't make any edits to channels that'll only influence specific users, unless those users all have a particular role. And I don't see the point in a unique role for "doesn't want everyone pings for stream announcements" when they can just.... use here pings

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I mean some servers do it for people who don't wanna get pinged

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Looking into it I don't think even that is possible? I'm a mod in a server, just looked at some settings and there doesn't seem to be any feasible way to disable all notifications for a specific role in a specific channel

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:54 PM

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well they have certain plugins/bots installed to help with that

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:54 PM

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And that's all well and good. And pointless in this case when here solves that entirely

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I don't see any reason not to use it. The only drawback I can think of is that people who ARE subscribed to the devs, and thus can view past videos, may miss announcements. But people who are invested enough to be subscribed likely keep tabs anyway

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I just don't see any reason to go through all the trouble of setting up a new bot, role and permissions... when you can just use the here ping instead.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:58 PM

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well they can't make exceptions for everybody, I think you just gotta do with what you have now

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:58 PM

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I made a suggestion for a reason :P

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 1:58 PM

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I know, it's not that I am disagreeing with your suggestion. We'll see what becomes of it

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Another alternative instead is to possible use a specific livestream ping. That seems to be fairly common for discords with livestream channels. That way people who don't care about livestreams can opt out entirely.

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Because even with here pings, it does mean online people who don't care about livestreams will still get a ping

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 2:00 PM

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welp, if you really wanna ignore it then I suggest hiding TI discord whenever you're gone or something

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 2:02 PM

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ehhhhh doesn't really work. for starters thats a lot of remembering for me, and i have memory problems. im a uni student too so im on and off a Lot.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 2:02 PM

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well then ig you just gotta have to live with it for now, can't have solutions for everything

flat crypt Jul 29, 2020, 2:04 PM

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yes which is why ive made this suggestion lmao i know i have to live with it for know but i shouldnt have to want to, hence why im making my case for it

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 6:54 PM

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@ashen elm i like the idea. it probs won't happen though since it's just a smaller version of big steg

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Thanks!

Yea it's unlikely rip. It's an alternative to 4 ton Stego which not a fan of but devs (Dondi) seem to want... plus more viable.

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 6:55 PM

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yeah i get that

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i'm pretty sure even if stego gets shrunk. it's still gonna be as deadly

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if not more so

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I don't think 4 ton Stego works tbh. The plates are not defensive, the only thing really protecting it is the spikes and it looks as awkward as Magy running (maybe worse) and it needs to run from apexes.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 6:58 PM

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the spikes and plates look like rubber atm, really hoping they're fixing that in the future

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and the texture isn't helping either

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 6:58 PM

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i mean from whats been said by bryan. stego probably wouldn't need to run from apexes. In legacy steg has always been a push over to apexes especially spino so i think they're upping it's damage and (whenever bleed gets it's change) give it more bleed

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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it definitely needs more damage and bleed

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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of course yeah

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like when locational dmg is in. it could probably nearly down a giga in 1 hit to the face

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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also, I do think the plates serve as protection. It still makes it more difficult for bigger carnivores to bite its back

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I mean balance wise there isn't anything stopping them from making it OP even if it doesn't look realistic. It's a game.

But a 4 ton Stego doing more bleed or damage than a 7 ton Trike doesn't make sense. That's with Trike likely being better armored.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Stego can put more speed and velocity into striking with its tail than a Trike can charging with its horns

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:02 PM

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yeah. plus stego doesn't have many weak spots as is. it's the opposite of trike really

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trike is still most likely doing a fuck ton damage

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:03 PM

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The plates are filled with blood and keratin. They are not meant for defense like the spikes on Kentro or Miragaia. A bite would hurt.

As for it putting more speed into a strike from the tail, sure but the spikes are also smaller than Trike's horns, especially at it's nerfed size.

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Plates don’t really make a difference in protection

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They aren’t attached to the skeleton

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They could be ripped off

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I see

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:05 PM

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i understand the argument but i do disagree that 4 ton stego wouldn't be viable. stego is still stego and they're gonna make it more of a threat. (they've wanted to for a while. just never happened)

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:05 PM

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size doesn't mean everything, even when the Stego thagomizers are smaller than Trike's horns

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:06 PM

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the damage would still be devastating

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I would still prefer a larger stego

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Trike horns are thicker while Stego thagomizers are thinner and thus can puncture more easily

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:06 PM

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it's like comparing guns. a gun is a gun

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it shoots. it's a weapon

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stego thagomizer and trike horns are weapons. meant to protect themselves

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:08 PM

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It's going to puncture more easily but the damage is going to be more superficial.

It's not going to be as devastating as a Trike horn through the chest, thus less damage over all.

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:08 PM

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while i do agree a trike horn ramming into something at full speed would deal more damage. but the damage would still get the job done

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thats what me and bas are trying to say

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:09 PM

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that's why Stego should have more bleed than Trike

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:09 PM

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^

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makes more sense that way

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:09 PM

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TBH Rex and 6 ton Stego is already a bad match-up, 4 ton Stego is just making it more uneven and look more awkward.

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:09 PM

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oh i don't doubt that 1 bit

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it was worse for spino

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spinos could just roll over stegos and be fine an d get back up in 2 minutes

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:10 PM

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yeah, considering Rex and Spino got much bigger and potentially more stronger in evrima

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:12 PM

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9 ton Rex vs 4 ton Stego. dondiYikes Anky is better in almost every way and it weighs the same.

But yea the reason why I'm suggesting Miragaia is due to it looking like it can run, having rear spikes (not plates), and it's different niche as a mid-high browser.

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I understand

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:18 PM

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i think it could replace stego personally. but ya know. stegosaurus

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Oh I'm not arguing Stego gets replaced. I'm arguing Miragaia fills the 4 ton niche and Stego stays 6 tons.

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:18 PM

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ik just me personally

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:22 PM

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rip Ceratopsians and Ornithopods get all the animals.

Ceratopsians (Proto, Ava, Diablo, Pachyrhino, Trike)
Ornithopods (Dryo, Tenonto, Maia, Para, Shant)

I guess you could group Kentro, Stego, Minmi and Anky as Thyreopeans but then it'd only be fair to add Pachy/Homa as Marginocephalia (so up to 7) . dondiThink

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I don’t mind to be honest

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:23 PM

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aren't you forgetting a ceratopsian

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Taco? I'm not sure about Styraco TI_Gasp

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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it's in my name

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and you just said it

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Taco barely counts dondiTroll it's .5 ceratopsian

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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oh ik

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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lol I'm just messing with you

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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yee

slate marlin Jul 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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hmmm Taco yummy dondiDT

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I like the suggestion Taco. dondiFeelsGoodMan

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i was told it was a good suggestion in discussion so i figured i'd bring it here

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Only suggestion I would make is maybe the slower and larger animals like Shant or the sauropods are immune to stage 3 and 2 (Brachi).

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:45 PM

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yeah probably

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though shant by be a decent prey item but sauropods got thick af legs so

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Is Rex still going to be doing BB?

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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i'd assume so ye

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Hmm then yea nvm Shant would be vulnurable

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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yeah i'd see a rex hunting a shant more than a trike

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Rex should not have bonebreak removed.It shouldn’t even be thought about

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I don't think anyone expected it to be but Dondi threw it out there as not being satisfied with it

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:48 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

glad dirge Jul 29, 2020, 7:49 PM

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a feel like a trike should be able to do more damage to a rex than a shant ever could, with the horns and such, making shants rexes preferred herb when compared to trike

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Why wouldn’t rex have bonebreak?

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:49 PM

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no one says it wouldn't

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:50 PM

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What’s the logic of a creature with 12,000psi of bite force not having it.Was that drunk Dondi?

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:50 PM

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You'd have to ask Dondi, I think he just doesn't like how RGN it is right now or maybe just wants a straight up grapple instead

barren zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 7:51 PM

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i mean my suggestion takes the RNG aspect out entirely so

inner orbit Jul 29, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I think grapples should use up tons of stamina if you don’t have enough you lose your dinner

ashen elm Jul 29, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Yea RNG is a bad mechanic most of the time so anything that can circumvent that is good

And yes, hopefully grapples will take significant stamina

strange wave Jul 29, 2020, 8:07 PM

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rip Ceratopsians and Ornithopods get all the animals.

Ceratopsians (Proto, Ava, Diablo, Pachyrhino, Trike)
Ornithopods (Dryo, Tenonto, Maia, Para, Shant)

I guess you could group Kentro, Stego, Minmi and Anky as Thyreopeans but then it'd only be fair to add Pachy/Homa as Marginocephalia (so up to 7) .
i like this, but add hypsi on the same tier as proto

honest sparrow Jul 29, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I see you forgot about my boi oro again

strange wave Jul 29, 2020, 8:30 PM

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oro like taco and velo are in the grey area of, they have something that already does their job better than them coming but they might come back similar to ava

shadow stream Jul 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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we honestly don’t need that many ceratopsians lmao, Ava, Diablo and Trike are enough

silver zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 9:59 PM

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eh proto and pachyrhino are cool imo. they are like blunt alternatives to ava and trike respectively

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diablo should be the one that is cut imo

silk hatch Jul 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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I feel like one mid size to go with the small and large ones is better than a small blunt and a large blunt but no mid size for ceratopsians

silver zephyr Jul 29, 2020, 10:35 PM

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🤔 true

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 8:49 AM

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@lyric obsidian inverted mouse and stuff will come but in later updates when the whole thing kinda gets better.

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

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@minor junco i think thats already happening with the AI in the future of envrima

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dinos like trike AI , as long as you stay quiet and behind the frill you can up to them without detection

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and im pretty sure ai are going to need to eat , drink, rest and for some hunt so they are part of the ecosystem

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Good suggestion Blexy and I agree. Some nuance to AI would be nice.

If they are attempting to serve as an alternative to players, they should be complex and not simple.

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:40 AM

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their will be fear flight and aggression from what ive seen , at first they just find out if your friend or foe and what you are , and if you show aggresive calls and crouching and if you are worth fighting , like maia are flight animals so maia AI would have to judge when its time to haul ass

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:13 AM

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no other prehistoric animals than the dinosaurs, megalania and titanoboa. this is not a prehstoric life simulator.

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modern fishes and creatures for lakes and land, no need to have beelzebufo ( that is basically a bigger toad) or a sawfish.

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:17 AM

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You have an entire ecosystem filled with prehistoric creatures already, I don't see the harm in it.

If AE is creating small things like Hypsi, I don't why they wouldn't try their hand at prehistoric frogs or sawfish which are bigger than modern relatives

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:17 AM

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beelzebufo is as big as an african bullfrog...

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:17 AM

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No it is bigger.

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:18 AM

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not really, go check it out.

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:18 AM

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I have... it's the biggest frog that we know of on record.

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:18 AM

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anyway, i don't see the point of having a clone freshwater sawfish and a toad.

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Still it would be good to have biome specific AI

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:19 AM

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Because they are bigger than modern relatives and people want them as AI to fill up the space if players are going to be kept as a minimum?

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:19 AM

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to fill the ecosistem just pick peacock bass as fish and common toad

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i really don't see the point of devs wasting resources on something like this

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Onchopristis is much bigger than the other ingame fish

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And beelzebufo was the size of a cat

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:20 AM

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just because " players want them".

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:21 AM

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I'm pretty sure the bass isn't filling giant sawtooth fish niche.

And they are "wasting resources" on AI either way, might as well go big.

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Add in normal frogs

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And beelzebufo

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:21 AM

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dondiSquint

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Oncho is like 2 tons, it's isn't comparable to a bass.

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:22 AM

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And it’s much longer

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:22 AM

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And can defend itself, so more challenging prey.

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:22 AM

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i don't agree. lets keep the modern feeling to the game, instead of a saurian vibe

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if you feel the ecosystem with prehistoric animal what's the point of having it in the modern era?

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:23 AM

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We already have mercs and modern architecture for modern feel.

And Kaiju experiments aka Hypos

random imp Jul 30, 2020, 11:23 AM

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meh

silver zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:23 AM

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I kinda agree with salva. Id like to have all the non playable ais to be modern creatures.

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:25 AM

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The problem with modern AI is you are leaving a size gap that modern animals (because of human predation and extinction events) are not going to fill as compared to the size of prehistoric animals.

Like a Sucho, Dieno or Spino is going to fill up on Catfish (unless you oversize it; which defeats the entire point of it).

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I agree with bronto more

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I mean, the devs spent time and money on this, a 2-3cm fish

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arguments against prehistoric AI are weak imo if resources is the main argument

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:28 AM

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lol pretty much.

There isn't much of a difference between creating modern AI or prehistoric AI, if they are modeling and animating it costs them the same either way

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:29 AM

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i really don't see the point of devs wasting resources on something like this
@random imp and using the same logic, modelling, texturing, animating and programming a 2cm aquarium fish isn't?

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:33 AM

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it's a modern animal is it?

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:34 AM

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The fish? Yes. rip jinx'd dondiLUL

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:34 AM

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The rainbowfish? Yes

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:34 AM

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lore wise it would make sense to have animals that aren't native to the prehistoric roster

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idc if they add more prehistoric stuff

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but lore wise it makes more sense since seagulls and other birds migrate across vast oceans

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also don did want raccoons at one point so theres that

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I don't mind some modern AI, as you can't really keep invasive species out unless it's a completely closed system.

I don't think we know enough about the lore to really know about why the island is the way it is yet, but we do see modern influences to like humans and architecture.

But I don't think modern animals are going to fill niches for AI that people want; as alternate food sources for the bigger animals.

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:37 AM

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sturgeon and actual monster fish as AI wen

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:37 AM

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i mean for some animals it would be cool

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Goats

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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some fish are filling in that role as spino food

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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That would be cool

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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i think modern mammals would be a stretch

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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not big modern mammals

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Sturgeon are humongous yea ~~but are basically on the way out so you'd have to clone them anyway rip~~ dondiSucc

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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I don’t think any fish currently revealed can be more than a morsel for spino

inner orbit Jul 30, 2020, 11:38 AM

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But onochipristis would be a more filling animal for spinosaurus and mixing modern and prehistoric ai would be nice

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Mass sturgeon farms have been established, sturgeons aren’t going anywhere

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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I mean the giant one's. Beluga Sturgeon

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Ppl farm belugas

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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what about coelocanth , they work their way up to onochipristis with large fish and other things in the sea like amonites and coelocanths

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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obviously and we could get onochipristis at some point but i think it would feed into the idea that a terrestrial spinosaurus could've formed or it could've adapted

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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To the giant sizes? dondiThink

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:39 AM

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It’s just rly expensive since they grow so big

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 11:40 AM

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sturgeons were also around for millions of years so it makes sense

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Not necessarily, but the species will live on in aquaculture

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I feel like they'd evolve to be smaller though. They wouldn't reach the wild giant sizes due to being farmed in captivity.

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 11:41 AM

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wasnt a 6 foot long female sturgeon caught in like a local river , just like in the middle of nowhwere

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even now they are still big

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:42 AM

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While that's large for an average fish, the giant one's I'm talking about reached about 7 meters and 1500 kg

still temple Jul 30, 2020, 11:42 AM

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~~add chinese paddlefish, biggest modern freshwater fish~~

rocky sable Jul 30, 2020, 11:43 AM

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and cant sturgeon grow at a MAXIMUM of 24 feet long , like cant the beluga sturgeon get that large

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thats a meal for a spino right there

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Yea you can add some ~~former ~~ modern giants, but your basically making it scifi to have them reach those sizes when humans have cut their sizes way down due to overfishing.

At that point, just add a bigger prehistoric relative

cobalt compass Jul 30, 2020, 5:54 PM

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please stop suggesting things for legacy, thats a dead horse you try to ride

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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^

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@feral bridge 5 secs is still alot of time to pic up speed

strange wave Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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@feral bridge you want utah to be more broken agile

feral bridge Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Not during combat. It should still be instant like it was before

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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gonna disagree with ya there chief

feral bridge Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

strange wave Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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what do you mean, "not during combat"

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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utah is perfectly fine where it is

strange wave Jul 30, 2020, 5:59 PM

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there is no way to limit it in combat or not

feral bridge Jul 30, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I was referring to Taco's reply.

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i don't think that matters.

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he's still replying to the not during combat part

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which idk wtf means either

feral bridge Jul 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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What I said, is that 5 seconds is not enough time to pick up speed while fighting

strange wave Jul 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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good

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utahs should have a fair bit of time picking up speed to get to the insane 67 kph

slate marlin Jul 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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acceleration is a thing you know...?

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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^

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pretty sure some things are gonna be accelerating slower as is so utah and tenonto alone to make as not agile enough isn't exactly a fair argument

feral bridge Jul 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Whatever ¯_(ツ)_/¯ was just a thought

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:03 PM

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and we're giving you a response to your thought

slate marlin Jul 30, 2020, 6:04 PM

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also, if the Utah would have instant acceleration they would teleport around much more frequently which I am afraid, is even worse

sacred moat Jul 30, 2020, 6:07 PM

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@feral bridge utah takes like 2 seconds to get max speed running

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5 seconds is about how long it takes legacy carno to get to full speed

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:09 PM

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legacy don't got acceleration

vestal rune Jul 30, 2020, 6:10 PM

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some dinosaurs do

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:10 PM

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it takes 'em a min to start running

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not actually gain speed while running

vestal rune Jul 30, 2020, 6:10 PM

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what?

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taking some time to reach full speed is acceleration?

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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yeah. thats what utah and tenonto do

vestal rune Jul 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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ye, along with carno and trike and the like

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:12 PM

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i wouldn't call that acceleration that. i'd call it turning the keys of the car on

sacred moat Jul 30, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Trike and most definitely carno have acceleration

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:15 PM

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not like they would if it was legacy

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legacy?

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evrima

sacred moat Jul 30, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Utah takes roughly 2 seconds to get to its full speed in evrima and carno takes about 4-5 seconds in legacy to get to full speed.

barren zephyr Jul 30, 2020, 6:17 PM

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i don't remember trike ever having anything like that. i might be mistake with carno with Acceleration. i'd more or less call it momentum cuz i remember that

vestal rune Jul 30, 2020, 6:43 PM

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ye trike has acceleration

cobalt compass Jul 30, 2020, 7:33 PM

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2 or 3 seconds would be enough, you dont run instantly at full speed by yourself and almost no other animal does

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ah darn, chat lagged....

tepid gate Jul 30, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Utah's already way too good in Evrima even with acceleration, it should probably need perhaps even more time to gain full speed than it does now or get nerfed in some other way. This dino's just all around way too powerful in Evrima as for now. Tenontos have to rely on using the water to fight the Utahs at all(which is a different matter that requires a nerf, Tenonto shouldn't be that much better than Utah in the water)

terse hornet Jul 30, 2020, 9:07 PM

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legacy Carno and allo definitely have acceleration. Any legacy dino that doesn't instantly stop when you stop holding W has acceleration and deceleration.

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it's just the most noticeable on carno

icy lion Jul 30, 2020, 9:08 PM

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adult trike has some pretty hefty acceleration too

ashen elm Jul 30, 2020, 11:05 PM

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If Para gets upsized to 5 tons it might not need to be faster than Allo. As long as it can outrun the larger apexes it should be ok.

~~Also Tenonto, Maia and Para being the same relative size is redundant AF~~

violet magnet Jul 31, 2020, 3:35 AM

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if allo can still beat the shit out of para then para will either need to outrun it or be able to fight it
without the lagging hits

eternal owl Jul 31, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Making the Para 5 tonnes is a little bit of a stretch isn't it. Well, this is the game with venomous Dilos and Utahs that go 70 kmph

strange wave Jul 31, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Making the Para 5 tonnes is a little bit of a stretch isn't it. Well, this is the game with venomous Dilos and Utahs that go 70 kmph
thats the max size of para, not counting charonosaurus

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 5:41 AM

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What Bork said. It's kinda hard to tell exactly, but our Para is probably the smallest species.

📎 Para_Size_Chart.jpg

still temple Jul 31, 2020, 5:51 AM

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~~just turn Para into Charono~~

covert birch Jul 31, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Just make para into walkeri then remove maia then keep shant as the big hadro

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Nah there's a big size gap there (3 to 12 tons) and tbh we need more psuedo-apex sized animals as viable prey items for larger animals.

~~though Maia is still redundant with Tenonto anyway~~

covert birch Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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thats where biguanodon can come in

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Ik it aint a hadro but it fills a role in the psuedo apex category

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Sorry if I’m late to the discussion (It was night for me and I was sleeping). Who said para will be upsized to 5 tones?

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 8:24 AM

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We'd have to actually get Biguanodon first for it to fill that niche.

The devs mentioned "maximum paleo-accurate size". But they seem to ultimately decide on the needs of the game if its going to be max size or not.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 8:50 AM

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True that. I’ve never agreed to go for maximum accurate size because I can relate that to many issues that can accrue.

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But If I’m still to talk about my Para speed suggestion. I would personally like the para to be prey to mid tier carnivores, like Allo and Cerato, then to apexes. The Shantungosaurus could be perfect for apexes tho.

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I basically see hadrosaur as a great prey where you don’t have to risk your life to get, like ceratopsians. Instead it would be more like “get a great meal if you could catch it” thing where the thing you will risk is valuable energy and health.

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Again if we didn't have Maia (3 tons) and Tenonto (2 tons) already I would agree. But there is too much overlap between the three.

Para suits better at 5 tons because there is no hadrosaur in that size range and Sucho (4 tons) and Acro (6 tons) also need prey. Shant is double it's weight at 12 tons so it's more comparable to Dieno (8-12 tons), Spino (?) and Rex (9 tons).

hoary ocean Jul 31, 2020, 9:07 AM

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@quick cypress That's more for #401470471750811669, feedback is relating to the game or discord.

quick cypress Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 AM

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My bad, sorry 😬

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 AM

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@ashen elm alright now I get why 5 tones would be good for the para when you say it like that.

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However it doesn’t change the fact that I still think para should not 1v1 an Allo in battle and win. Just maybe 2 paras vs 1 Allo. That’s why I wrote my suggestion yesterday.

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 9:34 AM

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The larger Para is 2 tons heavier than Allo, it'd be a little ridiculous for it to lose in a 1v1.

At best you can make it do less damage and do more crowd-control, so it's more focused on getting away, but Allo should have a difficult time killing it as a trade-off since it'll likely go slower than it. Allo should only really "win" when it outnumbers Para.

If you want a hadrosaur for Allo to hunt 1v1 that should be Maia or Tenonto (well, Iguanodontid).

Nova's size comparison of Psuedo-Apexs to illustrate the point.
https://i.imgur.com/HpTSZ0S.png

Imgur

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Well not really. The parasaur process poor combat trait and isn’t really build for battle. Not to mention there are predators today who take down herbivores twice or far larger their own size (as an example, the lion and zebra/wildebeest). However I do really agree that Allo should be “defeated” by para by eventually not keeping up to the struggling para to get away. Seeing paras killing allos to me is quite ridiculous.

ashen elm Jul 31, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Most modern predators that hunt animals larger than them usually hunt in packs and most hunts are not successful even then.

But yea, I'm fine with Para not really killing Allo just making it feel like the hunt is not worth it because it's annoying trying to 1v1 it.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:26 AM

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^

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para's current kicking could be used to knock over things like allo

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though the kicking should probably stun things like sucho and above

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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@barren zephyr no fence but I don’t know why people call it a kick. It’s clearly a boxing.

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 11:04 AM

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its not a kick or boxing , its official name is the wiggly arms

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 11:04 AM

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sure

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Got dammit dondiLUL

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How ever. I’m more then into para “defeating” an Allo and I will pretty much soon make a suggestion about it. Though if a para attempts to kill an Allo, it’s gonna die, can we agree to that?

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 11:18 AM

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hadrosaurs should speacilise in defensive herds, having combat abilities that allow them to protect their young from both small and large predators

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 11:20 AM

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ehhhhh hadrosaurs in general aren't all that defensive.

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most just tend to have size against predators

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^

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Plus there are already highly defensive herbivores like stego, anky and ceratopsians so it’s not necessary for hadrosaurs to process similar defense ability. Also, hadrosaurs can run fast without looking dumb. Imagine a chubby trike moving faster the rex for example. This points towards hadrosaurs being more of a “run away” then “stand and fight”.

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 11:36 AM

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yes but their children cant run fast

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Well not as fast as the adult for sure. But they can hide. Cattle’s today always hide their young

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^

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But if it’s a big herd of hadrosaurs, they can defend them self I guess

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for the most part kinda

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 11:53 AM

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yes, they hide them in the middle of the herd, thats a defensive herd

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Exactly, that’s really good

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But I think I will make a suggestion soon about animals “defeating” each other without killing the other. Like para run away from Allo but kicks it so it falls over and drains more stamina then health. I might need som advice from you guys.

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 12:24 PM

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yes, but the problem with that is that killing the animal will disable that player for an indefinite amount of time, they cant comeback and hurt you. whereas just knocking them over and running away only works for certain creatures, large herding dinosaurs with vulnerable young need to be able to disable, but not kill a predator for a long enough time to be able to make an escape (with their young) and be able to recover before the predator. Bonebreak is a great way to do this, also making herbivores heal alot quicker then carnivores would be a good solution

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 PM

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herbs in general healing faster than carnivores. i can see a bit of a balancing issue with that depending on How fast

slate marlin Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 PM

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adrenaline speed boost for utahs would be so broken

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the least thing we need right now is making anything faster than it already is...

inner orbit Jul 31, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Just give the Utah increased attack through adrenaline

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 12:31 PM

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adrenaline would make it so as a carnivore you would seem like you had more health since you feel all powerful so you'd most likely die because you were not smart enough to be content with a single body

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or could make it do different things for different dinosaurs , like for a maia an adrenaline boost like when something gets wayy too close to biting you , you speed up and get a bit of extra stamina

slate marlin Jul 31, 2020, 12:34 PM

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adrenaline should be health based

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and not based on what is around you

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 12:35 PM

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adrenaline should be a herbivore thing

slate marlin Jul 31, 2020, 12:36 PM

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adrenaline could be for both herbivore and carnivore, they can just work differently for each other

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 12:39 PM

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adrenaline should be like the main thing for herbivores (since they dont have crouch speed) but the thing is they cant really control it and can use it when they feel terrified and are being chased

languid crown Jul 31, 2020, 12:45 PM

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carnis have stalk and ambush, herbis have andrenaline

tepid gate Jul 31, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I don't see a single reason why a 5t+ Parasaurolophus wouldn't kill an Allosaur or Albertosaur that's around half its weight. I think that for the most part it would be like the Utah vs Tenonto match up. Sure you can kill the Para 1v1 but it's definitely not in your favour. If Para is P.walkeri on the other hand I think it's just Allo/Alberto food.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 12:50 PM

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dondiTroll

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dondiSquint

inner orbit Jul 31, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Parasaurolophus size

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tepid gate Jul 31, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Neither of those species is the 5t one, I'm speaking about Parasaurolophus tubicen which is very likely to be the one in the game. It also dwarfs both of these.

vast wolf Jul 31, 2020, 1:23 PM

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walkeri is the one that was in game but they might change it to tubicen judging by its size.

cobalt compass Jul 31, 2020, 1:39 PM

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tubicen is half weight of shant?

tepid gate Jul 31, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Less than half the weight of Shant. P.tubicen is 5.1t, meanwhile Shant is anywhere near from 12t to 16t

cobalt compass Jul 31, 2020, 4:45 PM

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but still a good prey item for any big carnivore

eternal dawn Jul 31, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's a bit tricky when it comes to para and medium sized carnis in this game, allo in particular. On one hand para should definately be able to deal with a single allo 1v1, it just makes sense. A zebra doesn't look dangerous at all to a lion, till said lion gets a nice kick to the face as the zebra is running and para could do something similar. On the other hand, we don't want paras incentivized to run down every mid carnivore they can find although that's more of a problem with the player, not the dino.

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Just need to be careful how they handle the balance, no one wants to play a walking hamburger.

vast wolf Jul 31, 2020, 5:02 PM

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its like tenonto and utah in a way just para should be more in line with acro and sucho than allo as its much heavier.

eternal dawn Jul 31, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Exactly, if they can do that with para and the mid sized carnivores while also letting it escape apex predators IF IT SEES THEM, i have to reiterate this part, then it would be a good start.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I’ve now made a suggestion about something you fellas might be looking for.

eternal dawn Jul 31, 2020, 7:38 PM

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@barren zephyr That works for me 👍

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If para towers over certain predators 1v1 like allo some exceptions can be made but we also don't want to make para too good 1v1 either, that way it does rely on those kicks from behind.

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Perhaps we could also allow baby paras to be born matching the adults speed? kinda like what wildebeasts do.

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A young para has to sit to regain stam at birth that way there's still an oppertunity to hunt young paras.

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but once the stamina is full they're set, they just won't be doing any fighting just yet but at least they can run.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 8:12 PM

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@eternal dawn that’s a truly wonderful idea! Though I’d like to make some changes if I’m allowed to. Scratch the no stamina at birth thing, I think it’s good enough if they develop a larger stamina bar and more speed quite quick over time. I’d like it more if hatchlings always come out with fresh stats

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Tho I gotta say. Making hadrosaur juveniles catching well up with the herd is great for migration.

eternal dawn Jul 31, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Exactly, this way paras can still nest without thinking, "ugh, now we have to camp this area just so the kids have food and water since they're too slow to move..."

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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hadrosaur juveniles would be like wildebeest and zebra babies , they gotta move and run from the moment they hit the ground so they can migrate and keep up with the herd , trikes and other things need some time do develop things and sit back and have parents bring food and water

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which reminds me i had an idea where things can carry water to the nest so you dont have to make trips to watering holes with the family , like a mother rex or trike would scoop out water with their mouths and carry it back to the nest , there they would open their mouths and let the kids drink (disgusting to some but practical even now)

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 8:49 PM

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@rocky sable there are a lot of this you mention but what are you really suggesting? Is it behavior for AI? Something related to the desire system? Nutritional needs? I don’t know what you are trying to say.

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 9:18 PM

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im suggesting that certain animals would have different ways of beginning life , hadrosaurs like maias and paras need to move and be able to run as soon as they hatch , most carnivores get babied by their parents and stay in one spot until old enough to move

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more bulky herbivores like trikes would need to stay in one area to raise young since babies are really chubby , but in the end i guess what i suggested makes more sense to be AI behavior

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since real players would never do that stuff unless instructed to by rules

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I thought of that as well. It’s a good suggestion though ngl, but you made it sound like all these animals would have a profile players will follow which no one wants. I only say this cause I think you need to know about it, I’m not judging you at all if it seems like it.

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Also as a bonus: I think the juvie rex should be able to move faster then the adult.

vast wolf Jul 31, 2020, 9:40 PM

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already dose.

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seamless growth will finetune that.

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 9:46 PM

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eh i dont think juvi rex should move faster than the adult the mid juvie sub range is when it should be faster since that when it stops being in the nest and starts being a hunter

strange wave Jul 31, 2020, 9:57 PM

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juvi should be faster

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the baby should not be

vast wolf Jul 31, 2020, 9:58 PM

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baby should indeed be a snake with legs.

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not a fast snake mind you.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 9:58 PM

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I’m with Bork

vast wolf Jul 31, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yeah not slow to the point of not being able to move but still slow.

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then just get faster until it starts to look more like a sub the slow down.

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 9:59 PM

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No let’s say Juvie rex is fastest so it can run from Utah’s and sub seconds fastest as it a hunter. The adult is more a murder machine

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 9:59 PM

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juvenile rex in realife hunted small things with speed , like prehistoric mammals and insects , it would have no need to hunt faster things which subadults would hunt , like pachycephalosaurus and struthiomimus

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:00 PM

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^

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It be nice tho if Juvie Rex could flee from stuff

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Aka uthas

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 PM

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it only needed to be fast enough to catch those things , they mainly relied on their parents and older siblings to take care of a the dirty work on larger predators so i see your point since their might not always be a parent

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Yes exactly

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You got it

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 PM

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maybe juvenile rexes fear meter causes it to run fast with adrenaline , so it depends when something dangerous gets close so its balancxes

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Meh idk

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

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like if juvie rex was fast it could hunt down other weaker juvies so what if it got extra speed from its fear to help its survive

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

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TI_Perfect

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 PM

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i think we've found a compromise

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 PM

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We sure have

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Tho this adrenaline stuff is not really necessary

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Cause they haven’t talked about that stuff

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yeah i use it as a metaphor since when you usually get afraid of something or get away from something you find scary you feel a boost of energy , you feel stronger and faster with your adrenaline so i kinda compromise it with fear

barren zephyr Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Aight, I think I get it.

rocky sable Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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alrighty

fallen narwhal Aug 1, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Hey guys.
I've sent something in the feedback channel related to the map design and such.
As I read there are a lot people that want a better or lets say realistic landscape in that. I just come here to start also a lil discussion on that, if you agree with these things, and to write and share some lovely pics maybe, let me know...

Cheers😎

ashen elm Aug 1, 2020, 9:06 AM

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While I support Rugops as a unique playable, I think it's too big for a chameleon ability.

It's moving a bit too into scifi and strain territory at it's size.

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True but I rather a smaller animal closer to chameleon size use an ability like that.

So Homa dondiFeelsGoodMan

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It looks more chameleon-like than Rugops dondiWeSmart

If I was to give Rugops a niche, it would be a scavenger of some type. Excellent smell, able to eat rotting meat like Cerato, and another ability.

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Maybe the voice mimicry to scare away larger animals

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There can be more than 1 scavenger and I wouldn't want it to occupy Cerato niche, just be similiar

Herrera I see as arboreal/leopard niche

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Yes but it's an ability that is even less unique than more than 1 scavenger... burrower TI_Mad

honest sparrow Aug 1, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Tbf you can do a bit with burrowing

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Inter connectables, wombat mechanics, different types of burrows, etc

potent ravine Aug 1, 2020, 9:32 AM

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whatever the hell that trapdoor spider does, featuring a verybig leaf as cover

ashen elm Aug 1, 2020, 9:32 AM

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But as much for 5-6 different animals? (Dryo, Homa, Ava) (Minmi, Taco, Oro)

You are ignoring a lot of different potential niches by pigeon-holing them in burrower category

honest sparrow Aug 1, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Ava isn’t confirmed to my knowledge and oro and taco might get complete reworks

ashen elm Aug 1, 2020, 9:33 AM

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I rather Skunk, Chameleon, Porcupine, Thorny Lizard, etc.. niches than five or six burrowers

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Ava was mentioned burrower in the recent roadmap

honest sparrow Aug 1, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Even if ava gets burrowing, I’d like it to be more of a shallow ditch in the dirt rather than an actual burrow

ashen elm Aug 1, 2020, 9:35 AM

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I don't mind if they let small animals share/invade a burrower but only 1 or 2 should be able to create them.

Again niche variety pls half a dozen burrower is boring

honest sparrow Aug 1, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Even though it’s a stupid idea I still want lock on rugops

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Rugops does an all in leap onto something bigger and holds on for dear life while it goes for a ride

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Like a cartoon

languid crown Aug 1, 2020, 9:47 AM

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bruh i want acro to have chameleon camoflage

covert birch Aug 1, 2020, 6:21 PM

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personally prefer the whole green anole way of changing colors n such since they can swap between like brown n green
I feel like that would work better as a camouflaged type hunter then the whole i can change color anytime anywhere chameleon thing
Like at the start of your charcter creation screen you can choose a color pattern for like on mode of color then the other, and ingame ya can swap between those
Would add a bit of like player choice in 2 diff biomes they can choose to specialize in camouflaging in (if we do ever get biomes that arent endless greens ofc)

slate marlin Aug 1, 2020, 9:04 PM

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link isn't working Vice

silk hatch Aug 1, 2020, 10:27 PM

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I feel like that sort of advanced camouflage ability miiiiiight end up on Titanoboa?
Since it's likely to be a total ambush predator that sits and waits for things to get near instead of slowly sneaking up on them or searching them out, and would struggle to get away from predators, the ability to hide itself very well somehow would be critical.

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Assuming they make it playable instead of an AI hazard anyway

inner orbit Aug 1, 2020, 10:40 PM

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@slate marlin what link?

slate marlin Aug 1, 2020, 10:40 PM

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you seriously pinged me for that?

inner orbit Aug 1, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Sorry

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I was wondering if I could help

safe galleon Aug 2, 2020, 12:35 AM

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@zenith onyx

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Could be a skin for something else tho

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Does look pretty cool

zenith onyx Aug 2, 2020, 12:36 AM

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i get the point

inner orbit Aug 2, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Yeah we have a lot of ceratopsians as it is

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It would I agree be a cool skin though

barren zephyr Aug 2, 2020, 2:46 PM

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@inner orbit Maybe ceratopsians could also eat roots when other herbivores can’t. And hadrosaurs could eat from small trees by standing on its hind legs. This could also be used to split up herbivore species from mix pack (if it’s desired to keep them away for the devs).

inner orbit Aug 2, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Yeah that’s my aim I will add more

barren zephyr Aug 2, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Nice

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May I give you some more advice?

inner orbit Aug 2, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Yeah I would like that

barren zephyr Aug 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Maybe there should be more then just one type of plant for certain species. Like ceratopsians. There shouldn’t have to be a single plant type they could especially eat apart from other herbivores but more considering the nutritional system. Maybe some ceratopsians food could offer protein and some vitamins while another are good for calories.

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And maybe some high rich with calcium for their horn growth.

inner orbit Aug 2, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I agree

vast wolf Aug 2, 2020, 3:29 PM

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species spefic diets have been planned for years the devs were just never able to do any with the old code.

random imp Aug 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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How is having variants with different stats be easier for balancing?! I'd be like having a ton of basically clones that you'll need to balance and waste time on

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The cosmetic changes and custom appearence will be a thing that they'll implement but having slight different stats for each variant is a hell of a work and not really worth it

strange wave Aug 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i notice how you didn`t mention growth at all... yes lets just let a stupidly strong version of allo and a stupidly fast version of allo just wipe everything off the island

honest sparrow Aug 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Yeah let me just add a faster rex pue1

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Sounds balanced right

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Now what about faster giga

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That sounds like actual hell

cobalt compass Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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that could set back the progress of evrima till the meme year 2030...

zenith onyx Aug 2, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I like your idea @barren zephyr. Differen't variants for one dino, it would make it more entertaining in the customization process.

honest sparrow Aug 2, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Cosmetically sure

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Gameplay wise Na

barren zephyr Aug 2, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Bruh of course there’s growth variation

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I say to you @strange wave . I had more than 2000 characters

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And also balance

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You buff something but also you nerf other stuff

vestal rune Aug 2, 2020, 8:09 PM

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honestly it just seems kinda redundant, there's already gonna be customization gameplaywise with perks

random imp Aug 2, 2020, 11:44 PM

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You can't just nerf and buff something, you uave to see how the changes fit in the hole game dondiSquint

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So adjust every single variation is a hell of a work

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And not really something that useful for gameplay

rocky sable Aug 3, 2020, 7:13 AM

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doesnt pineapple have a meat eating enzyme in it? so maybe pineapple should be for adults herbivores and large herbivores like trike shant cama etc

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Pineapple contains bromelain, a mixture of two protein-digesting enzymes (called proteases), a corrosive chemical that breaks down amino acids (that's why pineapple is an effective and delicious meat tenderizer). When you eat pineapple, bromelain does this same protein degradation on your mouth.

barren zephyr Aug 3, 2020, 7:15 AM

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so thats why my mouth stings sometimes when eating pineapple dondiMonkaS

rocky sable Aug 3, 2020, 7:15 AM

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yeah pineapple eats back

safe galleon Aug 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/739280278333161512/image0.png

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@sudden cradle

ebon crypt Aug 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Yeah, I agree that the utah should be able to pounce as more than just a full adult. Maybe utahs can't pounce from the start, but at like sub-adult stage they can start pouncin'.

cobalt compass Aug 3, 2020, 2:23 PM

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sounds fun but i can imagine thats timeconsuming to balance, maybe even easy abused since iirc you have not a correct hitbox while pouncing.
so if something bigger tries to run you over you just pounce it and be safe...

haughty orbit Aug 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Well the way i would really see the clumsy tackle/pounce for the small utah is more of a, "hurdle yourself into your target to put them in a very short stun, similar to how an adult utah gets when a tenonto tail whomps it mid-pounce. The baby and Juvie utahs would use their "pounce" as more of a stun mechanic on smaller prey items, then once the utah hits sub, its pounce would change from a kind of tackle more towards the kind the adult has.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@hollow river I need to say something

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The whole camouflage sounds cool and I like the idea but what stops them from smelling you?

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I had the idea that some sort of musk like a skunk could be used to spray an opponent make them unable to smell and then you can hide

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@inner orbit already confirmed.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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What @vast wolf rugops?

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Or rugops camo

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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yes rugops was confirmed.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Yes then

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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i dont have the details but nova dose.

languid crown Aug 3, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I do like the idea of carno charging into small and midtier creatures, knocking them over. If its a fairly large animal it would gore it, if its on the smaller side it will grab it and thrash it around like a dog with a rabbit

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Carno charging?

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:22 PM

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carno is supposed to get some form of momentum based damage from what the devs have said. not sure if thats changing.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Carno goring wouldn’t make sense

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It’s horns aren’t in the right position

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:24 PM

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yeah carno wouldnt gore things it might sideswipe smaller animals or bash into larger ones with its forehead as most.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I like that idea

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:25 PM

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the faster you go the more damage and the larger thing you can knock over.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:28 PM

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its horns are too out of place, and its neck/head is better suited for a hacking motion similar to what current carno does, running up and using its powerful neck to slam its teeth down

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Or maybe a sideways hit

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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or it could push its head up and push something over.

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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To knock over a smaller prey like a dryo

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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yeah thats what i was thinking a sideswipe to knock down small prey.

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they would have to stand up but it would have to turn back around to kill them giving them a chance at escape.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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which makes it more efficient to hack down on something its running next to/behind with its jaws, bite down and tear, or pull it over while running

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:32 PM

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you cant always land a hit at the speed carno is intended to move and remember it turns like a buss.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:32 PM

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thats current carno

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and its also realistic for it to turn like that

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you cant always land a hit if you try to side swipe something too so :/

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carnivores are not always successful at hunting

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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its just easier thn moving your camera to the side to land a hit.

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thats what the sideswipe dose it knocks them over and you would have to stop and turn around.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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how do you think youre going to manage to side swipe something, that has to rely on camera angle right??

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you cant just have it be left and right mouse button, you gotta chomp normally too

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and besides, carno is better suited to a hacking motion with how strong its neck it, not side swiping

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:36 PM

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you wouldn't have to angle your camera as much. it would be like tenontos tail attack where you look to the margin where its affected it could be a 35% angle in front of you for a bite and the rest is a swipe to the side.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:36 PM

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carno didn't hunt big things, so its easier to come up on, say a galli or dryo or the like, and chomp down instead of trying to go out of your way to knock it over by breaking your neck to hit

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:37 PM

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its also hard to land a hit on such agile prey especially as such a large animal.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:37 PM

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thats not the point of what i said

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carno is better off hacking things over trying to flip it over, a carno was not hunting maias, it could not flip one over

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i was thinking something like this.
https://youtu.be/Am5cyg1IyyA?t=123

YouTube

Goji98

Walking with Beasts - Phorusrhacos (All Scenes)

I don't own this footge

vote for next creature plz!

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potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:40 PM

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thats a terror bird, not a carnosaurus

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they cant do the same things

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:40 PM

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same principle. fast animal with no arms using the side of its head to knock something smaller over.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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different body structure

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thats a giant 12 foot bird with a long neck, no locking tail to steady it

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I think it should be able to knock over things like dryos

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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it can turn wast, it hunted different than the carno

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its better off biting a dryo instead of knocking it over

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:43 PM

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this is pointless you wont listen to reason about something that would add something interesting gameplay wise to carno.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:43 PM

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a knocked over dryo can recover and run off, a bit dryo can only run so far

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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thats also the point. not a kill confirm like a bite but a smack to knock it down and give it a chance to escape or still end up dead.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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interesting gameplay wise would be allowing carno to charge and hack something to death, you can achieve the same thing you want by biting the shit out of something and dragging it to the ground

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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That isn’t very unique

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Carno has nothing unique going for it apart from its fast

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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flipping something over isnt unique

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if a carno runs up on some gallis, it can rear back its head slightly, slam it down on a galli, unstable it, and pull it along on a little joyride of death

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:46 PM

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thats what ive been saying. allow it to knock things down over straight biting them if it wants to.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:47 PM

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it doesnt have much power to begin with to sideways hit something

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:47 PM

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and slamming its head down with a delay when its trying to hunt fast agile prey is not good. too many ways for the prey to escape not enough kill confirms.

potent ravine Aug 3, 2020, 4:51 PM

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galli, dryo, and teno are all shorter than a carno, it does not need to near back its head fifty degrees just to do that

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can just hack into any one of those three if it gets the jump on them

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a carno can ram into something to knock it over, more effective if you want the drop on something

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if you body slam into a teno as a carno youll knock it over and probably stomp all over it

vast wolf Aug 3, 2020, 4:53 PM

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thats kind of the point. plow it over and then tear it to pieces after disabling it.

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 5:19 PM

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You dont need to replace bary b/c it's too similar to sucho
Hell the two niches given to them by the old dossiers already create 2 unique animals
Bary: animal who hunts around the water n swamps but eats fish as a side mainly
Sucho: mainly eats fish or corpses it used its size to scare people off

rocky sable Aug 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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werent baryonyx and suchomimus the same size? plus baryonyx hunted stuff like iguanodons so its more suited to be a land hunter with that big ass claw to stick in preys neck , suchomimus was primally adapted for fish and aquatics and rarely hunted land creatures without a desperate reason like droughts

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like baryonyx would stick to rivers and streams while sucho took over swamps and wetlands with spinosaurus , so baryonyx could get hadrosaurs like maia and para but also eat fish and not get killed by suchomimus

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Bary is smaller than sucho

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I never said to replace bary

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Just to make it more interesting gameplay wise and more unique

rocky sable Aug 3, 2020, 5:32 PM

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i meant in real life suchomimus and baryonyx are literally the same size but i forgot the isle half of it

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 5:52 PM

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IRL bary and sucho arent the same size

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bary is (using extremely new nonfully confirmed to be bary estimates) Is 2.5 tons
Sucho is a good 5 ton

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plus, you can always just add the 1400kg bary since that one is much more suitible in the isle and is more unique

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/739904189664067675/bary.png

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Blue is sucho
Brown is 2.5t bary
Orange is the 1.4t bary

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I never said to replace bary
also mb, i got a bit confused with the whole irritator n icthyovenator comparisons n thought ya said pull a brachi on bary

icy lion Aug 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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imo pulling a brachi wouldnt be too bad imo

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Yeah

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I just think stretching reality for bary could do it some good

icy lion Aug 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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but i like the idea of the smaller one going with the modern/possible paddletail to make it more distinct

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especially if sucho is meant to be mostly a land dweller

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Yeah bary is literally a budget sucho like everyone calls it

cobalt compass Aug 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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i would really enjoy a long pause on this "add x dino" suggestions

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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It wasn’t add anything

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I mean, its budget sucho on the appearence thing
But that doesnt matter since playability wise its still different

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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It was about the bary’s planned remodel

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I still think more unique gameplay would be better

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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the old dossiers literally gave the animals 2 niches which could coexist and be unique from eachother
Especially with the preferred food diet systems added on top of it

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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But people aren’t always going to follow those

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 6:02 PM

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People arent going to follow the diet system which will give them buffs/benefits including things like faster growth and maybe progression to elder?
Idk why you wouldnt follow somethin so simple

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Its literally just
eat this food less often then that one

icy lion Aug 3, 2020, 6:02 PM

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with the diets people are more likely to follow them, but id still like bary to be more visually distinct from sucho and visually match the more water-bound lifestyle

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I mean in the sense of the restriction

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Still I think bary could benefit and it was nothing about them competing anyway

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It was about them being too similar

icy lion Aug 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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of course this is all cosmetic, bary and sucho are/will be very different even if they used the exact same model

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I mean, lets look at the two dossiers
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/6/6d/Baryonyx_Dossier_The_Isle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170420081524
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/d/de/Suchomimus_Dossier_The_Isle.png/revision/latest?cb=20161228164058

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I know about the dossiers

covert birch Aug 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I do agree bary should be lookin different to sucho tho

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Personally love the current model

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but the animations god

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I mean I still think bary and sucho are different enough

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Visually anyway

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I mean gameplay wise

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They’re a bit samey

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And bary is getting a remodel anyway

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But that’s just my opinion

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Gameplay wise eh

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Again we don’t really know how sucho and bary will play

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We can get ideas and all

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:42 PM

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It’s why I suggested the whole thing

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Just make them different from legacy

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Which is play quite differently

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I also think the small in water hunter should be Austro

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yeah

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I think austro may be confirmed

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I may be wrong

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Austro should be in the water, sucho should be in the surrounding area around the river or lake, and then bary is like in the river valley if that makes any sense

icy lion Aug 3, 2020, 6:45 PM

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austro is confirmed, i think its getting a remodel too

inner orbit Aug 3, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Giganotraptor sounds a bit like a progression type thing

tame dagger Aug 3, 2020, 8:38 PM

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thats true but isnt that the same case with diablo and trike?

edgy hamlet Aug 3, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Soo, Diablo is kinda a small version of the Trike to make smaller carnis able to kill Trike like creatures (i guess in that case), would love to have a big variant of the Oviraptor for bigger Carnis to fight, dunno if its necessary tho

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I remain not a fan of a giant fast af omnivore that can run down a lot of things and super kick them to death

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Imagine your an allo right patrolling around with your family right? And then all of a sudden this giant death turkey eats your kids like their fast food and then kicks you into the ground, and if you try to run away, it can and will catch you, sounds very fair and balanced to me pue1

edgy hamlet Aug 3, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Im getting awful Theri flashbacks with that >->

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 9:01 PM

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It’s current theri but it gets rewarded for hunting you down pue1

edgy hamlet Aug 3, 2020, 9:01 PM

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lmao true

honest sparrow Aug 3, 2020, 9:02 PM

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It works for ovi because ovi is small and can only swallow a select amount of things

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You get fast speed and the ability to eat a wide range of things for that price of being small

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Now if you make it eat more things and do a decent amount of damage, and make it more tanky

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That’s harder to balance

edgy hamlet Aug 3, 2020, 9:08 PM

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they could add it after they added all the dinos that they are planning rn, and kinda.. ya know, make it weaker, since it wasnt built that stronk

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And not make it a thicc chicken like Tank, since we have the theri for that heh

tame dagger Aug 3, 2020, 9:09 PM

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yeah i might have made it sound a little stronger than it should be lol

edgy hamlet Aug 3, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Just as a nice add, like i said, just after they added all the dinos that are getting remodeled, so we have a new dinosaur to play with :>

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cuz..why not :d

hasty radish Aug 4, 2020, 8:04 AM

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@barren zephyr good idea, it's much more realistic.

edgy hamlet Aug 4, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Id really love that, the question is is the Devs would rework all the animations again just to add that

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Cuz it wont be that easy to animate that with all the animations they have for each Dino

sand oar Aug 4, 2020, 1:34 PM

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if i remember correctly rex already got new animations

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Ngl I’d prefer if they just had superior night vision and were the same throughout all times of the day

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Because making a creature’s ability only to have fun at night is kinda cringe

outer nebula Aug 4, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@barren zephyr they are changing the animation and already did

https://www.twitch.tv/ti_bryanphillips/clip/EndearingSeductiveDeerHoneyBadger?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

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ti_bryanphillips - New rex running animations

Watch ti_bryanphillips's clip titled " New rex running animations "

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safe galleon Aug 4, 2020, 4:30 PM

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rugops with frog tongue and camo pog

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Yes

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Lmao

bleak atlas Aug 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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When was rugops confirmed?

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 4:52 PM

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IDK

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Apparently it is

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It was confirmed and they had the model years ago

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Why is everyone with camo lol

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Ok I will put it

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Done

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Camo is cool

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And it’s a nice reference

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I made it in suggestion

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Now can someone give opinions lol?

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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About what

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About camo rugops

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Oh

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It sounds meh

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I think I camo rugops because it makes it more unique than a lower tier carno but that’s my opinion

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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And my idea before that?

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Bone eater one

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Why?

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I can’t imagine it being able to eat bones

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It’s frankly too small

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And doesn’t look like it really could

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I think it’s better left for ceratosaurus and T.rex

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Yo make it different to cerato and at the same time a scavenger

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I wouldn’t make it a scavenger

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Bruh its a game

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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It’s still a really bland idea

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Skunk rugops I would even prefer

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Cera seems like a better choice for bone crusher niche anyway

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Yeah

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I don’t mind skunk or camo rugops anyway

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Those would be a more interesting choice

opaque blaze Aug 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Don't Abelis have really light skulls or is that just Carno?

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Idk

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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they do

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Idk

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I still want to see latcher rugops

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Camo rugops

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I want camo or skunk rugops

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Can I comment a future idea I thought just now?

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what tf is mono gonna do?

opaque blaze Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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So they probably never had the jaw strength to crush bone

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Rugops depends on what mono does really

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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How about making cerato variant(nasicornis one) to make it a bone crusher and let dentisulcatus as rotten flesh eater?

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Variants would be a waste of time

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Just edit a little the model

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Rugops=anole tisso=cuttlefish

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Or maybe give that ability for dentisulcatus apart from scavenging?

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I just think alt species in general is pointless

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And giving them different mechanics would annoying

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Yeah

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Camo I think would be the most effective to hunt things with

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I put it right now to dentisulcatus

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Bone eating

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 5:13 PM

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It could also be like the carno of the forest

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A bit more manoeuvrable

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But slower

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I like the scavenger niche for Rugops but I agree I wouldn't want it to be an alternate species or overlap too much with Cera. I'm still researching a bit on scavengers to see what niches or differences there could be to differentiate it.

So far I've read that most animals are not obligate scavengers. It's not a reliable way of getting food unless you can fly like birds.

However good adaptations for scavenging do exist and thus some things that would be cool to be reflected in gameplay include

extremely good stamina to travel quick enough to find corpses
good sense of smell and eyesight
nocturnal most commonly
typically like to follow larger predators around, as fresh kills are safer to eat than animals that die from unknown causes (aka disease or illness)
depending on the species may have weak OR strong bite forces. strong if they focus on getting into the marrow of the bones.

Taking it all together I think a nocturnal, smell and stamina based scavenger could be an interesting niche. Though still missing a mechanic that could further differentiate it from Cerato.

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Latch tyme

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Eh I think camo suits an ambush predator or prey creature better. You sit in one spot, blend into the surroundings and wait.

Scavengers that are traveling high and low for corpses are not gonna wait in spot hoping for something to drop dread in front of them. Despite not making the kills themselves, it's an active lifestyle.

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Well yes, ofc I'm going off an animal that has the ability to camo because that's where it's found in nature. Same for Octupi. It's for ambush and blending, not invisibility power.

Otherwise you get into scifi/fantasy territory of basically making the animal into the Predator which is kinda ridiculous and fits the strains better.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Hello

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Predator as in the alien, not diet classification.

And while there is some level of scifi and unrealistic aspects to the Isle, if they were going to full fantasy, why not just add lasers to dinosaurs? There is a level of realism to them that they intend to keep.

If it is something unrealistic, it goes to the Strains, not the base dinosaur.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:03 PM

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You know why the camo carnos existed

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Due to genetic engineering

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Same for the JP dilophosaurus

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Look at beipi

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How could that thing ever be aquatic

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:05 PM

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That's JP, not the Isle. And a semi-aquatic Therinosaur is not wholly unrealistic. Therizino itself lived in a floodplain.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:05 PM

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The Isle is the exact same

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It’s unrealistic in multiple avenues

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Inspired =/= JP.

And I think adding a predator-like camouflage ability to a 200 kg animal is going too far.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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The main realism they say they want to adhere to is literally the sizes

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It’s not really

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This is JP if it was a dinosaur survival game

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I'm wasn't ever really sure about giving Homa the camo, it was a brainstorm but I definitely felt if something would it would be a smaller animal; herbivore or predator.

And I'm not ignoring the fantasy elements but they usually get pigeon-holed into the obvious genetic monsters rather than the animals that are attempting to take natural niches.

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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No

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Yes

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So why is it bad for rugops

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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It takes elements from jp

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I mean in the sense of innacuracy

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And unique abilities and appearances

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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And it takes elements from PCE who also takes inspiration from jp

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But it is not jp the survival game

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Like at all

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I see no problem with rugops camouflage

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Because it looks ridiculous.

Giving that level of camo ability to an animal that size, you might as well give the strain powers to the base dinosaurs.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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🤦

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This is going round in circles

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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If you give it some level of adjustable cami sure

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Not full cami like a strain would

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Strains would likely have octopus camouflage

honest sparrow Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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But altering the skin to slightly different browns and greens

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Rugops could have anole camouflage

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Which is like what Ptera described

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Sure but we were talking about stamina based scavengers in the context. Not subtle changes to skin color. To work as a scavenger, as I said, it would need Predator-level camo.

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If I was taking the Homa niche seriously I would've put it into feedback, not made 3 posts brainstorming about it.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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an Octopus has way more advanced camouflage than an anole it can even change the texture of its skin that would be a strain

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Nobody said it was a complete scavenger

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Camouflage even when it’s just basic colours can be very effective

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Primate the context of the discussion was Rugops as a scavenger... I feel like your missing half the conversation.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I read scavenger/predator

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Or something like that when I joined in I’ll go find it

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Idk

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I prefer the carno of the forest niche

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It fits a lot better

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Than just a scavenger

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Yeah I told you bronto

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Chameleon when I brought up the scavenging niche I was not replying to you I was musing on Vice's suggestion for Rugops. Your suggestion was like a week ago and I'd already discussed with you that I didn't like the niche.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I did read some of the discussion before hand

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Chameleon wouldn’t even be the correct example

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They change colour depending on their emotions they’re already camouflaged for their environment

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Carno of the forest implies a pursuit predator which in the forest is a bad idea.

I'm fine with an animal being an ambush predator that camos but nothing on the level of an Octupus or Chameleon at its size.

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That's fine if you don't like Homa Chameleon. I'm not entirely sure it fits it either right now, still thinking about what else it could do ~~as long as it's not burrowing~~.

Ideally I want the animals to feel as natural as possible so I like niches that, even if not totally realistic like Biepi, at least a close relative could conceivably evolve into it. Which is why I'm fine with pouncing Utah despite the fact that Utah IRL was much more heavily built.

Venom Dilo is the closest to fantasy The Isle has gotten so far but considering Megalania's size and most likely venomous bite, it's not that unbelievable.

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I'm not really seeing the contradiction. The "fantasy" elements we've discussed with the animals so far are not beyond what is possible with dinosaurs however unlikely.

Semi-aquatic herbivores (Lurdusaurus), pouncing raptors (Velociraptor), and venomous dinosaurs (Sinornithosaurus) are nothing new in paleontology even if we do not have solid evidence for many of these theories. Sino in particular got disproven awhile ago but again venom in dinosaurs is not unlikely to have evolved.

Camouflage on the level of lizards is a harder pitch.

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Oh if you mean the pronoted wrists on the dinosaurs and monster Spino. I... actually not a fan of those designs at all lol. I just tolerate it because potential for good game anyway.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Is megalania actually confirmed to have had venom?

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Or is it just a guess due to it being a close Komodo dragon relative

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Though camouflage in an extinct animal would be hard to confirm

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Unless humans could witness it and record it through text or drawing

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Yes

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So was the Utahraptor

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Design and sounds

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Yeah

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The camouflage would obviously be inspired by the TLW novel carnos

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Due to them both being Abelisaurids

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Whether an animal is venomous or not is incredibly hard to find out or fossilize, it isn't just based on the structures in their teeth. Heck we are not even sure if Megalania was actually venomous but based on closest relatives its likely.

Dinosaurs having venom isn't out of left field again look at Sinornithosaurus which was believed to have venom for quite awhile.

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Also you cannot say that I'm advocating for Homa to camoflouge if I just stated I'm not sure about it. Citicing like 3 posts were I briefly considered it =/- seriously advocating for it.

I wish you would stop using it as an example, when from my perspective it was brainstorming and not a fully thought out suggestion.

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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animals don't have camouflage as an 'ability', they have skin as camouflage. Skin that has evolved over time to adapt to their surroundings in order to hide themselves from potential predators. A leopard for example is very hard to spot in fields and trees bcs of their skin. Put that leopard in a snowy environment and it would have no chance whatsoever to survive because it's like a bright light shining in the darkness. Oh? But what did evolution do to hide those kind of big cats? Yes, they've evolved into what we know today as 'snow leopards'. Their skin adapted over time and evolved into a white/grey fur to have an easier time hiding in snowy/cold environments.

What's my take on this whole Homalo/Rugops camouflage thing? I disagree with both. Homalo doesn't need camouflage because it can burrow plus its small size makes it much harder to spot between the dense and thick foliage. Rugops doesn't need camouflage because you can simply create a skin that makes it harder to spot. Also, changing skins ingame is extremely unbalanced and very abusable.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Active camouflage

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Not just camouflage

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They’re different

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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you didn't even read my message clearly...

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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I did

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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then read it again

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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No

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Jk

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I understand where you’re coming from

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I would’ve myself just made it reactive

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Rugops doesn't need camouflage because you can simply create a skin that makes it harder to spot. Also, changing skins ingame is extremely unbalanced and very abusable.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 6:59 PM

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But

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What if it’s in a different location

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 6:59 PM

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No im not going to stop using that as an example because its contradicting. Yeah you're not " sure about it" but again you're not criticising the idea as hard as you're going for rugops which is contradicting actions

Because you can see inside my head whether I believe an idea is good or not? Because I'm not posting about it on the discord does not mean I'm not dissecting ideas or critically thinking about them. This is what I meant by brainstorm.

My "criticizing" your idea for Rugops is because it's not my idea and it's the only way to interact/get feedback with you.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:00 PM

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The whole rugops camouflage thing is different to just making a camouflaged skin

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Due to it not always being effective

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It’s more so if it’s caught in a different biome

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I've given my clear and definite point on 'active' camouflage and I firmly stand by it

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I understand your point I just don’t agree

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:01 PM

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you can disagree with me, no one is holding you back

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I agree with Basyll, I rather the game take inspiration from natural animals that fit.

I wish they could rework the animals that they are fictionalizing to be more natural. Monster Spino is still bad IMO

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I don’t

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But that’s your opinion

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Not mine so it’s fine

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:04 PM

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This is why I said chameleons are small animals that are ambush predators. Nothing like what I imagine Rugops was IRL.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:04 PM

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They don’t use adaptive camouflage to hunt @ashen elm

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They use their natural colours

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I'm aware but it's still sitting in wait and blending into it's environment.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Yes with the type of camouflage in the game already

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:06 PM

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The type of camo in-game is fine, yes. Shifting lizard like camo is more scifi/fantasy then I would like with animal like Rugops.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I don’t like the game being realistic leave that to two other games

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Also D'Artagen I would like mineral pools like that. I think it's a neat idea, as a break from the usual mineral licks.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I find it interesting to see how crazy and weird the creatures can be ingame but that’s my opinion

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Skunk thing would be funny actually

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But the skunk spray thing in a reptile is a tad unrealistic

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Like actual spray

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I mean birds do spray or vomit foul smells as a defense. That's the source of the Hypsi vomit.

I'm pretty sure there are birds that use their excrete as a warning or defense as well, though obvs not full on skunk.

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:13 PM

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you want camouflage? Simple. Just create a skin fitting for the enviromnent Rugops lives in and voila. Downside? It's not gonna work everywhere (as it should)

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:13 PM

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This game isnt meant to be realistic sure
But like theres also things which looks ridiculous, imo an animal of rugops size is well
Ridiculous looking if it could just shift colors
Plus imo there exists animals who are just more fitting in appearance for camofalgue

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Homalo doing color shifting imo would look a bit less maddening then somethin like rugops
Hell compy too

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Besides, camouflage ability was initially considered for Tisso strained dinosaurs (it's getting a rework however). So I doubt that something that powerful will be accessible to regular sized dinosaurs

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:16 PM

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What is considered a regular sized dinosaur

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:18 PM

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should've been just 'regular dinosaurs' because I was relating to the size of the strains

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or just in terms of power

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I mean iirc tisso are meant to be smaller then the base animal
So regular sized works I guess

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:19 PM

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yeah it's relative

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Tisso could just have more complex camo

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Easy as that

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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why do you keep sharing the same image over and over?

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Anole camo=rugops Tisso=octopi and cuttlefish

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I’m just saying I’m not siding

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:21 PM

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changing hues won't make a single difference

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:21 PM

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It may

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Remember I’m just saying

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Changing hues could be useful

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You never know

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Remember I’m not siding

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I don’t mind what rugops gets

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:23 PM

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hmm not really, there's just no point in making a single hue slightly brighter/darker.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:24 PM

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There may be

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:24 PM

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trying to find the message where I've said that Dilothink

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:24 PM

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If camo rugops was added

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When it threatens I would like it to change to a darker colour

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Because cool

slate marlin Aug 4, 2020, 7:25 PM

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so that means you get to put words in my mouth and speak for me? Sure

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again, it won't make a single difference

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Personally feel like other niches which have been given to rugops,
Such as the ancient dossier from flaffy iirc
Would be better
Hing is cerato fills a similar niche but since rugops is more of a carno like animal ya can just make it until a fusion behaviorwise of carno n cerato

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Cerato should be kept as a unique bone eater

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It likely would

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I think in terms of changing colors, the examples I would want to see would be more for aesthetic values.

Something like Stego or Spino flushing the plates/sails with blood and making them brighter.

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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^

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Wait

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I have a compromise

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How about maybe not full camo but keeping some of the colour changing elements in maybe it would darken in colour when threatening and maybe brighten in colour when doing a friendly call

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So you’ve got colour change

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But not full camo

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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That ain't much of a compromise since it kinda just removes the whole camo hunter some people want

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Idk what to do then

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Most people don’t even like rugops anyway

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And don’t think they should not bother adding it

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So it’s a bit of a pickle

covert birch Aug 4, 2020, 7:30 PM

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We all agree to disagree since people have different ideas they want for rugoos

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And having different ideas is ok

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I have an idea

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Maybe if camo made it an option could be to toggle it off

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As a server setting

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Idk anymore

ashen elm Aug 4, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yea, ultimately it's up to them if they like the idea or not.

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 9:43 PM

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@hasty jackal If you are so concerned about realism and paleontology accuracy. This is not the game for you sense it never was based on scientific research on these animals. Me and many other people find it interesting to give dinosaurs unique features and what you say is “SIFI monsters” happens to bring a lot of new players to the game.

hasty jackal Aug 4, 2020, 9:46 PM

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yes but its not a dinosaur then, also the design doesnt help the anky to be more "viable", it looks like it would actually make it even less "viable"

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i dont need a 100% accuracy, since thats impossible. I just dont want them to make a weird hybrid that has the name "ankylosaurus"

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they have their weird mutations to do that

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and it doesnt even look like a jp dinosaur like the rest of the roster does

barren zephyr Aug 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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So it must be a no dinosaur when it’s a The Isle dinosaur now? See The Isle isn’t suppose to follow up to anything else but it’s own desires. Dilo is venomous, Utha is featherless, Tento got claws and Spino is basically Godzilla but hey... almost everyone loves it and I don’t know how the anky is so bad in comparison. At least you haven’t explain why and how.

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@barren zephyr perhaps nocturnal dinosaurs (troodon and dilo) could have a small nary at day and a small buff at night also.

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Nerf*

hasty jackal Aug 4, 2020, 10:08 PM

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it boils down to two main reasons:

It breaks the isle own design rules, by making it look mammalian instead of super reptilian like the other dinos, so it doesnt fit in with the other dinos.
They had a more reptilian, more accurate and a more "viable" looking design in the old anky and now they want to make it unrecognizable as an anky.
i wouldnt have talked up if they would have made a more jp like inaccurate anky, like they did with the raptors and the spino and all that, but they broke their own rules and also completly worsend a good design. So no, i wont just take that without speaking up, since i would actually like to see this game get back on track.

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and im not against speculative behaviors and features like venom

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 10:18 PM

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You know this is just a concept

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If enough people complain they won’t use it

hasty jackal Aug 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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thats why im complaining

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I don’t like it either

hasty jackal Aug 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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and im not only saying i dont like it because thats subjective, im listing up my concerns and what i know about the creature to show that it shouldnt be used. im trying to help.

inner orbit Aug 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Most people would agree

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JW anky style design would definitely have been better

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That may be inaccurate but

hasty jackal Aug 4, 2020, 10:30 PM

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and the current one is far beyond either