general-feedback-discussion

[safe galleon]

@stray otter you can contact an admin and that’s not really the right channel for that kind of issue

[stray otter]

my bad im brand new and have no idea how to do things properly but how do i report him if hes name was in chines?

[safe galleon]

I’m not really sure but you can contact admins or punchpacket to report a hacker

[stray otter]

okay tyvm bro

[haughty cliff]

get a screenshot of the name, if you can?

for your report i mean

[inner orbit]

@tidal cipher on feedback

[tidal cipher]

I'll correct that sorry.

[dense dew]

What do you guys think about having mushrooms?
Both carnivores and herbivores can eat mushrooms, and though they won’t give much food to larger creatures, finding some edible mushrooms might be life or death for a starving juvenile dinosaur or mercenary.
The issue is... some mushrooms are poisonous. Some even can be deadly. And some can make you hallucinate.
Herbivores can tell the difference between edible and inedible by smell, carnis and humans? Can’t detect them.
So although you’re a starving juvi or merc and you find some mushrooms... it might not be a good idea to eat them!

I have ideas for how the mechanics could possibly work (toxicity strength depending on your weight and how many you consumed) Should I create a suggestion for it?

[terse hornet]

I feel like mushrooms might be a little too close to PoT cause they have that mushroom collecting quest and idk people are weird and could be buttheads about it

but I like the concept

[mint sonnet]

@maiden anvil those animations are pretty cool!! Really like the trample one ahah

[dense dew]

Just because another game has fungi we can’t have fungi?

[terse hornet]

if the devs want mushrooms they can do mushrooms I'm just saying some people might throw a fit cause "nyeh PoT did it first you're just copying them blehhh"

[vestal rune]

ngl people are gonna throw a fit if they add anything

[vast wolf]

just don't make the fungi the same. add them on the sides of logs/trees and make them not deathcaps that don't kill you.

[ashen elm]

So you want to nerf Tenoto, nerf their ability to survive, and make it even easier for Utahs to live? This feedback seems very biased.

Sorry I don't think that is a good plan at all. In Legacy, we already have problems with carnivore overpopulation, we do not need to make playing herbivore even more unattractive. Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily want surviving as a Tenonto to be easy, but disabling their food resource isn't the way. The nutrition system and migrations are probably intended to raise the difficulty for herbivores and neither are in the game yet. also environmental hazards would be nice...

Predators which will challenge Tenonto are already coming (ie Carno). Utah isn't meant to hunt Tenoto's alone.

[dreamy wharf]

It's an ironic feedback post based on the last patch.

[ashen elm]

It did sound a bit like sarcasm but it's really hard to tell when people are being serious or not sometimes when it comes to balance...

[cobalt compass]

@exotic rivet 👌 and on top, strike ppl with stupid "its obvious sarcasm" suggestions... but the idea is great...
...not
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[severe idol]

Yep...

[languid crown]

He is saying that's what was done in the patch, Utah got buffed, tenonto got debuffed

[ashen elm]

How is that feedback though?

[cobalt compass]

no offense in constuctive critics, but that was none of them

[languid crown]

Imo Utah should have significantly lower HP as a juvi through to subadult,

[ashen elm]

I can agree with that. For something so small, it survives hits it really looks like it shouldn't.

[cobalt compass]

anyone took evidence if the juvies were hit and taking dmg or are the tenos just missing?

[languid crown]

Even adult Utah is abit too tanky

[ashen elm]

Though to be fair, it's probably like that to give juvie Utahs a chance since their only options are each other and Tenotos

It'll probably change once new dinosaurs are added

[languid crown]

Just scavenge

You have enough food to last till adulthood

[ashen elm]

I don't think that's very viable with such low populations. Once AI is in, that would be fine.

[cobalt compass]

as we all know, its still a beta after all... patience is the key

[languid crown]

It's definitely viable, death and failure should always be a high chance

[ashen elm]

If it's part of a working ecosystem sure, but it's 2 dinosaurs, the player count is very low due to frustration, and the game is full of bugs, of course there is leeway

[languid crown]

Your fast, can disappear any time you want and can easily kill young tenontos

[ashen elm]

Your missing the bug part, a huge issue with Utahs rn in general is teleportahs making registering hits difficult

Though I do want Utah nerfed in speed in general, I don't think the game is very skill based when it's that choatic

[languid crown]

Yeah, the combat system will be better demonstrated with larger animals

[ashen elm]

Lets hope so 🤞

[barren zephyr]

personally for utah speed. i think it's fine. though it should have like way more build up to it

[icy knoll]

I hope the devs like my suggestion

🤞

[slate marlin]

@thorn dome nope, nope and nope

[silver zephyr]

[thorn dome]

They're not remodeling it at all?

[spare sphinx]

this game is not meant to be realistic

[slate marlin]

JP croc spino is here to stay, FOREVER

[thorn dome]

That's dumb. Ok.

[inner orbit]

Not really

[thorn dome]

Spino looks so much cooler with swimmy tail.

And weird sail.

[inner orbit]

They probably don’t want to waste more time with a remodel

They could do it in the future if aquatics are ever added

[spare sphinx]

or if mods will be an option

[thorn dome]

Deino is an aquatic.

[sand oar]

Spino already got his remodel.

[inner orbit]

I mean complete aquatics

[ashen elm]

@minor junco That's already planned

[languid crown]

if you remodel an animal every time a new paleo study comes out youll get stuck in a permenant loop

[cobalt compass]

@icy knoll Oro's "chicken-niche" sounds fun so far but we have to wait how hypsi is playin its part in the ecosystem

[tepid gate]

There's no point in reworking Spino due to the fact that Ibrahim et al. who made the discovery of its tail this year and revolutionised our understanding of Spinosaurus back in 2014 are going on another expedition to bring back the forelimbs of the animal some time in near future. This means that the animal is bound to have another drastic change in its appearance soon. The game would have to constantly rework their spinosaurus to keep up to date.

[cobalt compass]

better would be a 2nd model that is than up to date with an aquatic roster and map as dlc

[ashen elm]

Spinofaarus reality in 2025 😩

[icy knoll]

@cobalt compass k, but hypsi seems more like a rabbit to me but yeah lets see

[cobalt compass]

we dont know🤷‍♂️
i'm eager to see whats coming

[languid crown]

@maiden anvil what do you use to make those little animations?

[cobalt compass]

@solar iron you got any pics of the suggested predator?

[solar iron]

This is it

[inner orbit]

I don’t agree with that spino suggestion

[solar iron]

Tnx gilbert

[inner orbit]

They want to balance the apexes so they can battle each other with equal outcomes

Also to reflect how the Hypo spino actually could come from it

This couldn’t fight a giga or T.rex

[solar iron]

Its okay but I didnt suggest inbalance. I said that apexes should not posess same advantages and disadvantages.

[inner orbit]

I agree

Spino should probably be the tankiest in health

But the slowest on land

With the weakest damage

[solar iron]

They should be able to battle each other and reflect their own talents

[inner orbit]

Yes I agree

[solar iron]

Legacy spino do the same and its broken

[inner orbit]

I should’ve read your suggestion better

[solar iron]

Thats why i suggested othervise

[inner orbit]

I think it should have serious health

Being the biggest

And having crocodile like plating on the tail

[solar iron]

My idea was to make apexes more than capable to battle each other but each should use different method to succeed

[inner orbit]

I think spino should use health and armour to tank

Giga should use bleed to tire out an opponent

Rex should break bones to prevent enemies running away

[sand oar]

isnt this already in legacy?

[inner orbit]

What stamina drain from bleed?

[solar iron]

And since Rex is bulky and slow as most recent studies tell us, it should be the most tanky. It also have strong and bulky prey animals on its meal and thus it had to be tanky to stand its ground in brawls

[inner orbit]

What will spino be?

Spino had quite dense bones so should have reduced bone break

[solar iron]

Spino armor is a great idea

Armor should reduce dmg but in Exchange it doesnt need extra health pool

[inner orbit]

I agree

[solar iron]

Especially against bleeders since teeth made for slashing is different from teeth made for piercing

Giga has slashing teeth but Rex has piercing ones

[inner orbit]

T.rex should be able to break armour

Spino irl had very dense bones could they translate this in game to make it have slight bone break defence

[solar iron]

Agree

[inner orbit]

So spino would be defence

[ebon crypt]

If I may throw my hat into the ring, the Isle spino is and most likely will be semi aquatic, so it will stick to lakes, rivers, swamps, etc. However, since deino is coming, the spino will have some pretty big competition, so it also needs to survive on land if it gets driven away by a deino. In this case, it needs to be able to survive encounters with other theropods, otherwise it'll just be a huge happy meal to rexes and gigas. Then again, it doesn't need to be able to kill any other apexes, just hunt other smaller prey. So, in this case, I agree with you guys, the spino should probably be the bulkiest and have the most health out of the apexes, but probably low attack (enough to kill prey on land however).

[inner orbit]

Maybe low attack coupled with decent attack speed

[solar iron]

Dont forget about kill moves and grabs

It wont work the same as it was in legacy

[ebon crypt]

Maybe, if the spino gets a few attacks, it's bite would do very little damage (because, ya know, fish eater), but it could also have a claw slash to protect itself against larger carnivores

[solar iron]

Spino will have some moves and with those it will probably be able to catch prey

See a Utah vs Utah pounce

Equal stats but the first pounce seals the fate of the others life

[ebon crypt]

I was thinking bite for catching fish and claw slash for battles? Maybe bigger carnivores could also have a tail whip?

[solar iron]

Sounds good

Spino should stand its ground against other apexes that way

I just dont want to see the ultimate apex as we can see in legacy. A broken animal with mega healthpool

[solar iron]

But make no mistake! I love Spino but the current one is not okay

[ebon crypt]

I think Don mentioned something about big carnivores being able to swallow small creatures whole. Maybe that would be the spinos primary way of hunting on land, to salvage as much food as possible. It should probably be a defensive dino against other apexes though. I think Don also mentioned that he wanted all apexes to be able to compete which each other, but take my words with a grain of salt

Thanks, Chikangia

[solar iron]

Sounds good for me

[solar iron]

Cant wait to see the elder spino concept

[inner orbit]

Same

[cobalt compass]

@ashen elm that'be awesome 👍

[ashen elm]

Thanks!

[silver zephyr]

@inner orbit wrong channel type in here

[inner orbit]

Sorry

@unborn onyx wip animation

[unborn onyx]

?

[mighty girder]

Wip or not it's far enough along for them to post which means they are ready for feedback on it @inner orbit

If they weren't ready for feedback they wouldn't post it

[inner orbit]

Cool

I was just saying

I agree it looks like my cat rolling on his back and having a spasm onto his feet

But I didn’t judge it

It’s wip

[unborn onyx]

I'd like not to be tag out the blue thanks.

[inner orbit]

Sorry

[random imp]

Precisely because is w.i.p. we need to write feedbacks

[vestal rune]

ye it's dumb to complain about something that's WIP, but if something WIP it's especially important that you give your opinion on it

[sick crescent]

It’s WIP, meaning its bound to improve(bound to, not always)

You can give your opinion on it, criticize, but if it’s WIP you should treat it like it’s WIP

[mighty girder]

Just saying, if the devs werent ready/didnt want feedback on something, they wouldnt post it in phase 2

so griping at people for giving feedback on stuff just seems stupid

[strange wave]

@atomic nova im assuming thats a joke and if so thats not allowed, if not just stop and go to bob they have pachy and stupid colours

[sick crescent]

Phase 2 is for more transparency

Y’know...

Show things being developed and such...

[atomic nova]

It wasn’t a joke

[strange wave]

then wait for modding if you want stupid colours on your dinosaurs

[atomic nova]

Well I meant more for pink would be more of a accent to help other colors pop

[strange wave]

its still not happening, at all

i for one dont want to have my pack slaughtered by barney the pink rex

[atomic nova]

I’d love to make a hypsi or ovi with vibrant colors like island birds

[strange wave]

its not really how you would use it

its how other people would

[atomic nova]

An entirely pink Rex wouldn’t survive to adulthood tho

[strange wave]

ya know how people make barf coloured dinosaurs and survive

imagine that but with all colours of the rainbow of stupidity

[atomic nova]

True it would be a pain in some situations

But what if the bright colors were just for a few like ovi hypsi and maybe bepia

[silver zephyr]

im pretty sure thats what is happening

[sick crescent]

But what if the bright colors were just for a few like ovi hypsi and maybe bepia
@atomic nova vibrant colors yes because they’re designed around them

[atomic nova]

Ok 👍

[cobalt compass]

looking at some footage of large animials wallowing, i say its not off the stego is flopping over
https://youtu.be/Oi3xf3ZLntQ

[opaque blaze]

That bison is already on its side when it pushes over. The Stego is practically upright when it does it

[cobalt compass]

that doesnt seem to matter the animals, as they throw themselves over...

[opaque blaze]

It isn't the rolling over that is odd, it's the aggressiveness of how they do it

[cobalt compass]

well, maybe its happy and not aggressive...?

and thats actual joy what we see

so when the animation is a bit slowed down i had no further critics

[opaque blaze]

Aggressive isn't about the emotion, it's about how vigorous it is

[cobalt compass]

compare it to yourself when jumping onto your bed to snuggle down in comfort. for a 3rd person it may look like "whoa, why is Dragonychus jumping into the bed?!?!"

looks really dangerous

but isnt

mostly, but if you ask parents around the world its the second most life threatening thing after not eating your lunch completly

[opaque blaze]

Except a Stego is a bit taller and heavier than I am. But I think we're on the same line, as I too think the animation needs to be slowed

[cobalt compass]

i've seen cows doing it like the animazion at farms near me

lets interpret it as most joyful thing this poor stego is gonna get in a cruel world were it can be eaten any given moment

[opaque blaze]

[cobalt compass]

excaclty this🥳

[languid crown]

May look weird until we see how small the model is

[random imp]

You can't compare a bison, that's a 1000kg animal to a 7 ton stego. The animation is just wrong, not only ugly to watch but also highly unrealistic: the impact with the ground and the pressure at that speed and violence 'd crush the stego bones and possibly kill him.

Don't start complaining about the"realistic" part, i'm not talking about the real stego counterpart, i'm talking about simple phisic and general anathomy.

[mortal kestrel]

@opaque blaze i think this animation is juvi stego or subadult

[cobalt compass]

but it looks so happy

[cobalt compass]

@random imp do we have any evidences of such stress fractures in bones that would indicate that this behavior is against any laws of physics? and how much does the properties of the mud said dino is wallowing in take effect on it?
yes thats a very heavy animal, but the ground is relativly soft, also we should consider that the bones are more durable than we currently expect.

[pale sorrel]

@ebon crypt That's a great idea!! Also, the colour wheel for the dinosaur's detail colour should also allow for more saturation in my opinion. 🙂

[ebon crypt]

@pale sorrel Thanks, and yeah, the detail color wheel should definitely have more saturation. I'm thinking some dinos like male ovi could just have a slightly more saturated color wheel in general.

[pale sorrel]

Yeah, I agree.

If the devs did that, it would be a dream come true, for me at least.

I've always wanted a carnotaurus with purple detailing 😄

[languid crown]

stegos bones are alot more sturdy and thick then a buffalos bones, this thing had to with stand being slammed by allosaurs

[opaque blaze]

That also means it's heavy. And the circular momentum would hurt it once it hits the ground. And if it were a juvie, wouldn't the plates be smaller?

[inner orbit]

Dragonychus

The plates and thagomizer are obviously underdeveloped as well as its large head and eyes

It’s obviously a juvenile

[still raptor]

thagomizers could have had more cartilage when it was young

[vast wolf]

stegos plates and thagomizers are quite jiggly anyway.

https://youtu.be/mmT7_I5Xcxc

[opaque blaze]

I see. It still looks odd. It's like it launches itself. The transition should be smoother

[solar iron]

Tagomizers should be fixed! Its not a skin growth but a vertebral protrusion

[vast wolf]

looks like a skin growth to me.

[solar iron]

I see

Lets read a bit

[vast wolf]

theres a sizeable gap with wires connecting them for display.

[solar iron]

My bad! They are "dermal spikes"

[vast wolf]

it is still a bit much jiggle.

[feral wedge]

They're too jiggly imo, too

The plates are more alright than the thagomizers.

[strange wave]

the thing about the thagomizers in the wallow anim, is that they themselves are like bending

[random imp]

The last thago bender

Jokes aside, they are used for combat so they need to be hard on place stiff and not able to wiggle too much

Because with a tail spike that shake at the minum movement, what damage could they do? They'd slip and bend against another dino's skin... a sword don't wiggle lol

[strange wave]

@zenith onyx how many times have you reposted that

[zenith onyx]

when was the last time i did repost it?

[strange wave]

you dont have to repost it

if you want people to see it just link them the original

[zenith onyx]

that's no fun

[honest sparrow]

And shoving the same suggestion down people’s throat over and over again is?

[zenith onyx]

when was the last time i posted this idea? huh? about two months ago

[strange wave]

you still posted it before

[honest sparrow]

And is there a point to posting this again?

[strange wave]

the last guy that reposted his suggestion a bunch got struck down by the might of zeus

[zenith onyx]

and i really don't care if a god of discord thinks it sucks, i can speak my mind if don't spam which i haven't.

[honest sparrow]

Yeah you can

You could just talk about it and bring it up normally to try and get people to agree with your idea instead of posting the same suggestion over and over again tho

[zenith onyx]

i've haven't seen that work ever. especially because people don't like my ideas. there are a few that like them but its just something i do when i have hardly anything to do.

[honest sparrow]

Well then try and convince them

If they don’t like your ideas well, idk, but there is always an audience and if you can live with the knowledge people do actually enjoy your idea then I’d say that’s a job well done

[zenith onyx]

idk if htey like it though anymore because hte emotes are gone. and im not good with words so...

[honest sparrow]

I mean did people re t with emotes positively in the past on this suggestion?

[honest sparrow]

Yeah so ummm modding has been and is dead

[pseudo osprey]

Last I heard it's coming back though.. ?

[honest sparrow]

yeah

years from now

when the game is completely finished

a few months back we still had mod screenshots, but that was deleted

So I can presume the devs don't really care about modding atm and since it is and will be dead for some time, there's no point to have dedicated channels about it

[cobalt compass]

uhhh, that would lift Deinosuchus from the sci-fi realm to realworld with the ingame measures
noice

[inner orbit]

To be honest deinosuchus is the most scientifically accurate thing in the game

[mortal kestrel]

Does Deinosuchus eat Fish?

[honest anchor]

Was it really necessary to call out Kai like that for something so small? That was a lot of negativity and harshness for absolutely no valid reason

[elfin eagle]

@steady bough good idea

[slate marlin]

Does Deinosuchus eat Fish?

[pallid compass]

@barren zephyr Fantastic idea! that sounds like a lot of fun trying to sneak around trying to steal peoples blood

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Fantastic idea! that sounds like a lot of fun trying to sneak around trying to steal peoples blood
@pallid compass I agree, and also it fits very well on that dino

[cobalt compass]

modern crocs and gator eat whatever they get between their jaws, so i assume deino would also eat fish if one swims by

[bleak atlas]

@barren zephyr I like that dino. Would be very unique, a new niche and pretty fun

Best Dino suggestion I`ve seen till now

[hoary sable]

are we able to know from Devs which changes are going to be implemented, so we don't hash over the same ol same ol? If there is a list of things that are being improved already in the works

[slate marlin]

they're working on revamping the roadmap

adding more info + details

[cobalt compass]

i dont think the suggesttion with seeing all tags will be in

[hoary sable]

is there a certain dev that handles feedback specifically?

[slate marlin]

no

it's mostly directed to all of em

[hoary sable]

is there a queue or a line to be in to have your feedback/ideas discussed? lol otherwise how will we know our feedback is seen or not?

[slate marlin]

the feedback is just... there? this is no waiting room or something

[hoary sable]

so its putting ideas in a text channel and hope they scroll through it one day? Not trying to sound crass, but just trying to understand the process

[plush meadow]

they do read the channel but they don't respond often

[cobalt compass]

most feedback of feedback comes from the community itself

[vestal rune]

ye they devs read most suggestions

I think most of your suggestions are on the list for optional server options

none of them should be on official though

[hoary sable]

good point, thank you @vestal rune

[safe galleon]

Sockomimus

[eternal owl]

@zenith onyx are you sure you're not thinking about Amargosaurus?

[inner orbit]

Tarbosaurus would not be added I’m sorry

Devs would think of it more as T.rex 2 and it’s gameplay wouldn’t be very much different aside from weighing less

[night sand]

I’m pretty sure a whole lot of carnis are getting a mouth grapple in the future

[languid crown]

tarbo is trex clone, a funny jaw and being slightly smaller doesnt make it anything speacil, its still a large tyrannosaur with a powerful bite that wrestles its prey and is an ambush predator

[ebon crypt]

Plus, we already have alberto, don't we? So we kinda already have a second t-rex, don't need a third one

[barren zephyr]

i feel bad for coco

[sonic cloud]

I don’t

Bad animal is a bad animal

Doesn’t matter how much you like it

Tarbo’s bite latch does nothing new

“Hey let me subdue something faster than you by just instantly annihilating whatever I grab in my jaws and thus reducing the risk of injury” say’s T rex

Doesn’t even hunt anything new either theres no new predator-prey relationship on offer.

The fact that no 5000kg non-fisher carnivore has been announced so far has told me that animals within that general size range already have predators, like apexes, which just makes Tarbo redundant

As primate said, the only things it does differently from T.rex is being smaller and being less effective pound-for-pound and absolutely at doing the exact same thing

[barren zephyr]

yeah thats why i feel bad for coco

not to mention the competition with alberto, acro, cerato, allo, carno, sucho, possibly bary, and utahs

not to mention the apexes

But i will say. it's not that it's a bad animal. it's just a bad animal to suggest

plus giga was said to already do that bite lock mechanic back when V2 got updated

[barren zephyr]

@inland shore i mean that would encourage some targeting behavior for some players so not the best idea

[slate marlin]

^^ yep, a kill cam in a survival game is not the best idea

[vast wolf]

most if not all the large/mid tier predators are getting some form of grapple. rex is going to be able to do the exact same thing as tarbo.

[tepid gate]

@sonic cloud Pretty much all of this can be said about Acro as well.

[honest sparrow]

Wait a minute

A drawing

Means the the modelers won’t have to model and put time and resources into a new spoon model?

And the main reason spino being like that is so it can compete with other apexes

But no

We gotta get the funni haha new Spino that will change in 4 years

[strange wave]

not even four

their going out on another expedition this year

[mint sonnet]

Idk why ppl keep complaining about the new spino, I think it looks awesome
The Isle is sci-fi - I feel like ppl keep forgetting this lol

[tulip parrot]

Feel like the "muh accuracy" bois tend to forget if you keep changing to be accurate then you get things like Saurian where nothing happens cause by the time you finish something science says "Yeah this is wrong now"

[mint sonnet]

^^^ exactly
This too

[vast wolf]

that spino concept it beautiful.

[verbal acorn]

Spino should basically be a giant duck. I expect it to waddle on land.

[sonic cloud]

Did I mention Acro? @tepid gate

[potent ravine]

okay but what if.. we compromised and just gave it the big fat tail and ignored everything else

[tepid gate]

@sonic cloud I did

[inner orbit]

@potent ravine this what you want Tapwing made this

[potent ravine]

im talking about the model, haha

just give spino a big fat tail and ignore everything else

[inner orbit]

I had a great idea

[blazing charm]

So just finished reading through that Tarbo proposal document, and i'm personally not impressed.

I already knew going in that there was going to be a focus on the "lock-jaw" mechanic, but once again it doesn't really add anything unique to the animal, every carnivore is supposedly going to get some form of grappling via claws or via biting down, so it wouldn't really make sense to have that be Tarbosaurus' main unique ability.

[languid crown]

agreed, tarbo brings nothing new to the table, its existence is entirely aesthetic at most

[inner orbit]

Yes

Tarbo would be pointless

[tepid gate]

I'd argue that Tarbo hardly has any aesthetic value tbh, it's a Tyrannosaurus rex that isn't fully grown for all intents and purposes, with the seamless growth that we have it would probably be a Tyrannosaurus stuck at 65% of its full growth, the same argument applies to Alberto however, it's a pick for those people who enjoy a Rex in its earlier stages of life and don't want to get to the 9t hulking beast that a fully grown Tyrannosaurus is meant to be.

Seamless growth makes you unable to just stop growing at the stage of a subadult so this is probably the only justification for adding those dinosaurs.

[mint sonnet]

I agree tarbo is pointless

Pretty sure Dondi said in a stream once that the only way something like Tarbo was coming into The Isle would be like as an Alt.model or smthn
Like it would be the rex. Same sounds, animations, everything
Just different model

[tepid gate]

The thing is that the models of those two animals aren't even that different from each other.

Tarbosaurus is a more streamlined animal with a more gracile build, it's narrower when seen from above however those things really apply to the Rex when it's not fully grown as well so - as I said it's pretty much a pick for people who want to keep playing the sub-adult rex.

[inner orbit]

Alberto could just be replace with many animals which is true but that is just multiple tyrannosaurs Gorgosaurus and Daspletosaurus

Alberto/gorgo/daspleto would heav more reason then tarbo

[tepid gate]

It could probably be replaced with Torvo as well, unless Torvo gets upsized to 4t like it was suggested in the paleotalk

Tarbo on the other hand could be replaced with... Zhuchengtyrannus? Which is probably the same animal really?

[inner orbit]

Tarbosaurus is even more pointless though

Like why do people want it?

[vast wolf]

because its a meme

[tepid gate]

Because... large sub rex I guess?

There's also this idea of how we have three carnivores in each "tier" Giga, Rex, Spino; Bary, Allo, Alberto(although unless Bary gets upsized to 2t+ it's kind of a midget here) and then we have just Sucho and Acro in the "pseudoapex tier". Then again - the devs don't do those tiers the same way the community does. I personally believe that the only strong point of Tarbo is that it's in the 4-5t size range and we could use some more animals of that size in the game. The gap between the mid tiers and apexes is just very large in my opinion and it would be nice to have some more animals to fill it - then again Tarbo is like one of my last picks to fill this gap anyways.

[languid crown]

alberto is the pseudo apex

for the tyrannosaur branch

[barren zephyr]

i mean from how the devs have been putting it lately. idk if size is honesty going to matter for alot of animals. stego is getting a size down but i'm pretty sure it's gonna be as "if not more" deadly than rn in legacy. I still wish the team stuck with the idea of giga and carcharo being skins for acro so we wouldn't have this 4th apex sized animal thats in the way as much as i hate to say that cuz i do really like acro. My fav dino. Utahs in groups are gonna be able to fuck some shit up like usual and with troodon somewhere around the corner. hordes are gonna exist and they're gonna fuck over stuff. the point of sucho bary and the alberto AT THE TIME was progression and i feel some people for some reason still have it in their idea that all the apex carnivores should have some increasingly smaller version of themselves

[cobalt compass]

@cursive forum there is no "cuteseyness" in being enslaved... also they're not tamed but beaten into submission with brute force
i highly doubt there will be any 'friendly' interactions, maybe hopping into a saddle or something could be the least violent thing

[barren zephyr]

yeah ark taming not a good example of how tribals would "domesticate" these behemoth creatures

i feel tribals would more than likely accidentally kill the desired mount more than anything

[cobalt compass]

a submissive dino should be hard to accomplish and the fatality rate for accidental kills during enslaving sky high

[barren zephyr]

yup

[cursive forum]

@cobalt compass Oooh >.<
Oh well. It was a nice thought while it lasted.

[barren zephyr]

better to do some research

also i imagine if you leave your mount unattended for long enough if it's not tide down to something. Most certainly gonna run away if it gets the chance

[cursive forum]

True.

[tepid gate]

@languid crown Alberto is a midget, with seamless growth being in the game it's basically two stadia of the Rex development cycle. It's like comparing a fresh subrex to a fully grown one. Tarbo is twice Alberto's size.

Also - yes progression is very likely the reason behind the presence of some of the animals in the game. I'm pretty sure that if survival was the go to mode from the very beginning the roster would be completely different to the current one.

[barren zephyr]

oh yeah of course

[honest sparrow]

Me wen the funni haha new spino

[mortal kestrel]

new spino is amazing but need attack animation i gues

[barren zephyr]

it's meh

[barren zephyr]

hello

[mortal kestrel]

hi i have a suggestion but people dont like maybe

my suggestion is new foods like carnivore and herbivore can eat different foods

[ebon crypt]

@mortal kestrel What exactly do you mean by that? Like, new food sources?

[mortal kestrel]

Yeah like for example parasaur can eat fruit but stego cant eat feuit

[bleak atlas]

@mortal kestrel write it in suggestions. Better an bad idea than non idea and maybe people like it and its not an bad idea at all

[mortal kestrel]

fruit

okay i will try

[ebon crypt]

Oh, you mean like diets? I believe that those are already planned and as a dinosaur you'll have to eat certain plants or hunt certain creatures, depending on your diet. You won't be able to completely not eat something, but I think consuming something that isn't a part of your dinosaur's diet will make you sick and give you a de-buff

[bleak atlas]

Diet are confirmed

[mortal kestrel]

ohh

At least i reminded them if we playing comp we can bite little

[safe galleon]

What?

[bleak atlas]

@mortal kestrel thats already planned. They want to keep dinos in specific areas of the map with this. Herbis with plants Cland Carnis will have favorite meat (Example: Rex favorite food is trike (not confirmed)) too, so they will stick with certain herbis. So they will stay on certain areas too. Eating wrong food will not be good (Idk what it do, I think debuffs).

But bugs, mouses and fruits on trees are a nice idea

I would like if they add this

[mortal kestrel]

Wow this is really great Rex cant eat other dinos

well i can make different suggestion for I can make a list of fruit varieties and insect varieties if you guys liked fruits and bugs i can add in suggestion

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, sure. I'd like to hear what kinds of fruits and bugs you have to offer

[bleak atlas]

@mortal kestrel you can eat everything. Some things are better and some things will not be good at all

You also will grow slower when eating wrong things

[mortal kestrel]

still good for debuff

Tropical Fruit list

1.Mango
2.Ananas
3.Dragon fruit
4.Pomelo
5.Guava

Ananas

Mango tree size

Dragon fruit

Pomelo tree

Guava tree

Since the Camarasaurus are tall, they can eat the leaves and fruits of these trees

Shant can eat ananas, leaves and fruits to i guess

[ebon crypt]

I guess some fruit could also give back some water, not just food, depending on the type. But yeah, I'm all for this idea, but might get abused if fruit actually were to give back water too

[bleak atlas]

I like the idea

Fruits should be limited

[languid crown]

'shant can eat an anas'

[bleak atlas]

And take a long time to (an real-life hour maybe)

[mortal kestrel]

@ebon crypt I think that kind of fruit should be hard to find like rare fruit

yeah maybe

@languid crown this is just hypothesis i dont know shant diet

[ebon crypt]

I mean, fruits usually have high concentrations of water in them, so maybe there could be lone fruit trees scattered around the map, which would give back some water, but would take a long time to grow back?

[mortal kestrel]

I think it might be as you said

Guava fruit can give you water and food but fruit take a long time grow back

[rocky sable]

@mortal kestrel that idea is good except stegosaurus's notably long neck helped it eat from trees where it would go on its hind legs and put its front 2 on the tree and use its long neck to eat leaves and possibly fruit

[wraith bobcat]

@rocky sable isn't that a kentros thing?

[cobalt compass]

just that kentro is half the size

[mortal kestrel]

yeah stegos can eat fruit i guess maybe tenentosaurus, dryosaurus cant eat "fruit tree" because tree is so big and this dinosaurs cant climb

[potent ravine]

a lot of the fruit sent in this chat above are accessible by tenonto and dryo

even then, they can eat fruit that falls onto the ground

[vast wolf]

prehistoric wild life is trash, don't use it.

[rocky sable]

i think dryosaurus could eat some fruit , ever see those goats that climb trees to eat the leaves and apples? imagine if dryosaurus could do that , or better yet protoceratops that climb trees

[mortal kestrel]

@potent ravine Yes you are right they can eat

[mortal kestrel]

i made this diet list

[rocky sable]

dont forget some other new dinos , because i tihnk protoceratops is coming in the recode

[mortal kestrel]

oh yes i will add them later iam tired now :p

[bleak atlas]

And put it on feedback, not feedback-discussion

[noble pine]

Unpopular opinion, rex and spino should be the same speed

[rocky sable]

No.

[noble pine]

Why not? Give a valid reason why our spino couldn’t be as fast as our rex

[rocky sable]

tyrannosaurus rex needed to be an agile predator , it hunted hadrosaurs , ceratopsians , and pachycephalosaurs , spinosaurus needed to be a patient predator , as its large size inhibited it to move very fast and let alone catch prey , spinosaurus needed to be large and powerful to survive the harsh enemies of sarchosuchus and charcharodontosaurus and it needed to be patient to hunt "saw sharks" and basically survive , also spinosaurus weighed up to 22 tons and rex weighed up to about 9 to 12 tons

in the recode spino is going to have to deal with tyrannosaurus , giganotosaurus , deinosuchus , allosaurus , acrocanthosaurus , triceratops and so many more threats that it needs to be huge and be able to push everything around

[tepid vapor]

Isn’t it kind of the other way around, or the same way? Rex needed to be a patient predator too, to ambush. It didn’t really need to be an agile one because it was heavyweight and bulky, which is why it hunter creatures the same way. Spinosaurus needed to be accurate and agile in order to catch prey like fish

[honest sparrow]

Not necessarily

In the water sure

But being agile in the water doesn’t translate into being agile on land

An excellent example is seals

They are masters when in the water

But out of it they have to flop around

And spino is fucking huge in game, so I doubt it would go faster than rex

[noble pine]

This is a game and our spino isn’t exactly accurate, I don’t see why they can’t be the same or similar speeds.

[mental sleet]

Would be counter-intuitive, Wendigo.

[rocky sable]

but spinosaurus is huge muscles and bones and its basically a heavy weight of the isle , its supposed to be the thing that even though it can overpower most prey items and other predators it a fisherman , it does have extreme bulk but it uses that in defence like a claw slap to end all slaps that would kill most small predators and uses its size and bulk to frighten even the biggest of competition

[noble pine]

How exactly, rex is an ambush hunter, same as spino, not the same prey of course but neither are exactly fast, I see no reason why making them the same speed would be harmful.

Rex is an extremely bulky animal-

[mental sleet]

Spino isn't an ambush hunter, Spino gets most of it's prey from the water, it's a good swimmer, not a good ambusher, expecially not with that massive sail and bulk.

[noble pine]

Rex is also a very muscular animal

[rocky sable]

rex was an ambush hunter but rex was technically more active , it got close and had to run with its long legs , spinosaurus sat at the waters edge being in wait for the right target to strike perfectly

[mental sleet]

Rex actually needs the speed, even if for short bursts, thus, them being the same speed is either a really slow rex or a really fast spino, both for no rational reason whatsoever.

[noble pine]

Ambush as in ambushing unsuspecting prey items that get too close, it’s not impossible, you invade it’s territory, you might get ambushed, a spino player isn’t gonna pass up on a dinosaur if they think they can catch it.

[mental sleet]

Spino has no business doing that actively.

It's main weapon is literally a defense tool.

It just doesn't seem to me like the predator which should match Rex's speed for any reason.

[noble pine]

Neither of them should be slow or fast, it should be intermediate, with Giga outspeeding both easily. You clearly missed where I said “in it’s territory” like I said, it’s a game, this isn’t an actual animal, a player will go out of their way to kill someone if they really wanted to.

[unborn quail]

I wouldnt say easily, but giga being marginally faster would be fine

[noble pine]

Our spinos sail isn’t exactly massive either, our spino is also around the same bulk as Rex.

[rocky sable]

besides if something more powerful than a rex was faster than a rex it would over powered rex was pretty agile and fast for its size being able to take down larger prey , if spinosaurus could run as fast or faster than a rex and was stronger than a rex it would basically just prey on trike , shant , cama , theri , and brachi AI whenever it wanted . spino should be a slow hulk like beast the isnt too fast but if you get too close you will be overpowered and killed thats why it spends its time FISHING

[noble pine]

Spino is definitely not more powerful than Rex, it can take a rex if the ex is dumb enough to get into the claw range, but even then don said himself, if a rex gets on you, your chances are slim. A good counter is give rex more stam, like it use to be.

[mental sleet]

That does not justify why Spino's speed should be the same as Rex when one is an active hunter and the other one is not well equipped for it.

Spino doesn't need the speed for anything.

[noble pine]

Have you seen our spino?

[mental sleet]

I don't believe I'm blind.

[mighty girder]

Spino can hunt on land, it does not mean it can or should do it as well as rex or giga

[noble pine]

Never said it could or should

Lmao

[mighty girder]

Then it doesnt need to be as fast

[civic carbon]

why would a defensive animal need to be fast

[noble pine]

I didn’t say It did lmao

[civic carbon]

spino aint lookin for fights.

[unborn quail]

it shouldn't be as fast but it definitely shouldn't be left in the dust by either rex or giga

[mental sleet]

Nova, it can swim.

[rocky sable]

but that doesnt make sense spinosaurus was huge , it should be something , when its adult , that everything fears , spinosaurus doesnt need speed , it has so many abilities already , swimming , diving , fishing , claw attacks , etc it will be the ultimate survival machine , in real life spinosaurus only hunted on land during times of need like a drought , if the isle when droughts are implemented spinosaurus would move from the swamps to known popular herds and prey on them until the water rises and they can fish again

[mental sleet]

It can swim far better than the two aformentioned apexes, it doesn't need to be anywhere near their speed on land.

[mighty girder]

How exactly, rex is an ambush hunter, same as spino, not the same prey of course but neither are exactly fast, I see no reason why making them the same speed would be harmful.
@noble pine you're literally suggesting them be the same speed, what do you mean you didnt say it did

[unborn quail]

Im aware of that, still doesn't mean it should be the most abysmal thing in the movement speed department

wait, are we talking sprinting or just basic movement speed in general

[noble pine]

A rex rolls up on you, you’re a bit away from you water source but you can make it if you sprint back, Rex can’t catch you because you’re the same speed. If a spino were to chase a rex out in the open, Rex has more stam but can keep the distance.

[rocky sable]

if spinosaurus was going to as fast as a rex and nearly as powerful or more powerful WHY SHOULD IT BE ABLE TO FISH SUCCESSFULLY

[mighty girder]

^^

[mental sleet]

Spino turning it's back on T.Rex is straight suicide.

[mighty girder]

Can't have your cake and eat it

[mental sleet]

Your arms are at the front.

[noble pine]

I never said it should be fast lmfao, I even said “intermediate for an apex” stop putting words in my mouth

[civic carbon]

ok but spino being defensive negates rex 100% killing a spino every time

[mighty girder]

"I see no reason why making them the same speed would be harmful"

Im not putting words in your mouth

you said it

[noble pine]

hurt spino
rex shows up
cya bitch I’m going in the water

I literally didn’t say they should be fast, you quite literally are

[rocky sable]

if a rex goes for a spino head on the spino could litteraly shove its claws up from the bottom jaw and into the mouth and throw him down , if it turns around on a rex the spino dies , its all about scenarios

[noble pine]

hurt spino
rex shows up
cya bitch I’m going in the water

[mighty girder]

No, Im just saying there's 0 reason Spino needs to be or should be same speed as rex

[noble pine]

I just gave the reason

[civic carbon]

other then some scenario where the spino is an idiot and moves away from a water source when its very hurt

[noble pine]

It’s been done in the past and was good balance for realism servers

[mighty girder]

Spino wouldnt be turning its back, its best way to live that would be using its claws

[noble pine]

Same speed but rex had more stam

[mighty girder]

or seeing the rex a while away and moving to the water

[civic carbon]

^

[rocky sable]

spinosaurus should be either as powerful or more powerful than a rex , for gods sake spino should be like sub giga's level of speed because its so big and just too big too mess with unless you are stupid or know what your doing

[mighty girder]

Realism servers didnt have fishing

when spino comes back it will

[noble pine]

Most water sources are you know, in the jungle, and as don has showed us, it’s almost impossible to see things in the jungle

[inner orbit]

Rex might not have ambushed irl

[civic carbon]

the ocean

[noble pine]

Spino isn’t an ocean predator

[mighty girder]

it doesnt need same speed as it has to pay for having that semi reliable food source some way shape or form. Not to mention the thing is said to be able to go hunt in the ocean

[civic carbon]

[mighty girder]

Tell that to dondi

[noble pine]

I asked Dondi lmao

He said ocean wasn’t the main focus and it would be more swamps or large rivers

[civic carbon]

its oceanic but can come to land and hunt if it wants to.

its form of fishing is in the ocean

[mighty girder]

yes, not the main focus, but it can still go hunt there

[inner orbit]

They have found out it had good stamina and endurance so it may have followed its prey and waited until it tired and then kill it.As well as this T.Rex was suprisingly hope for its size

[noble pine]

What

[inner orbit]

Yes

I can get the papers

[civic carbon]

realistic rex or something

[mighty girder]

...what

[noble pine]

That made no sense

[mighty girder]

we agree on something lol

we're not talking about realism I think; we're talking about in the game

[civic carbon]

point is it doesnt need to be fast if its defensive

or as fast as rex

[noble pine]

I get what you guys are saying, I just think it would be a decent balance is all

[mighty girder]

Im just weary of Spino getting too much persay

[inner orbit]

What I said made no sense?

[noble pine]

I’m not gonna be butt hurt if it’s slower or faster, I’m just gonna be chillin

Spino has a lot going for it in terms of attacks, so it may get the tenonto treatment

[inner orbit]

To be honest spino should be slower then rex

[rocky sable]

spinosaurus fished in lakes riverbeds and bays IT WAS LITERALLY FROM THE 'KEM KEM RIVERBEDS' plus rex hunted mainly in forested areas , they didnt have nearly the same life style or diet so why would they need to be similar to one another , spinosaurus is ment to fish and only hunted when it needed to , rex hunted primarily and probably only ate dried up fish on the river beds , if they had 2 different diets and life styles THEY WOULDNT BE SIMILAR

[inner orbit]

Not necessarily

[mighty girder]

If it has more reliable food sources then other apex predators, it has to pay for it some way, and its not meant to excel on land anyways (afaik, meant more to be 50/50, though personally would like it to be like, 40/60 land/water)

[civic carbon]

^

[mighty girder]

@rocky sable Again, we are not talking about irl

we are talking about in the game

[civic carbon]

like yeah, spino doesnt HAVE to eat fish but it also shouldnt be good at hunting on land

[inner orbit]

They are similar due to them both being theropods

[rocky sable]

but using a realistic stand point spinosaurus and tyrannosaurus shouldnt be remotely similar to each other

[mighty girder]

That doesnt work tommy

[inner orbit]

The spino ingame looks capable of hunting on land look at it

[civic carbon]

its good at both, best at neither

its meh

[mighty girder]

our spino doesnt give a fuck about realism

so you cant use realism when talking about it really

And if you do you have to be loose

[noble pine]

When I said hunting an animal in it’s territory, I mean a carnivores that’s getting too close or a decent sized herbi, a nice steak in it’s diet of fish.

[civic carbon]

ye but how often would that happen lmao

[inner orbit]

To be honest the spino ingame looks like it should move faster on land than on water

[noble pine]

Probably more often than you think

[mighty girder]

it hippo runs supposedly primate

[civic carbon]

it's prob gonna have gator buoyance

[noble pine]

People will be people, and they will be dumb, run up to a spino thinking they’re chill because they’re a fisher then boom they’re on the menu

[rocky sable]

you dont understand , fishing is something piscivores do and were made to do , spinosaurus is a piscivore so its made to just eat fish and only sometimes take on prey from the land rex was a carnivore ate meat or carnian from the land , they had 2 different life styles and diets

[civic carbon]

oh well yeah that

but it doesnt need to be fast for that

like its defensive, it deals good dmg

[mighty girder]

Tommy that just isnt the isles spino though

[noble pine]

Not when it can ‘ambush’?

Stalk?

Idfk anymore.

[inner orbit]

@rocky sable look at The Isles spino

[mighty girder]

the isles spino was not made to be ONLY a fish eater

[rocky sable]

spinosaurus was literally labeled a piscivore in hope.

[civic carbon]

we dont even know if ambush is coming back tbh

[mighty girder]

@rocky sable because it does better then other dinosaurs at eating fish, not because it ONLY eats fish

[noble pine]

Fr

[rocky sable]

scarlet i ment it primarily ate fish and sometimes at land creatures

[mighty girder]

We've been told since its conception that its 50/50

[civic carbon]

diet is up to the players decision

[inner orbit]

The Spinosaurus ingame should never be compared to its real life counterpart

[civic carbon]

they wanted the player to choose

[lusty lava]

give me a spino and I'll eat all the fishes

[noble pine]

Fr

[inner orbit]

The one ingame looks more capable killing terrestrial prey then eating aquatic animals

[civic carbon]

it can eat oceanic fish though

[noble pine]

Ok but, bardo spino is epic and I need it in game now

[rocky sable]

but we dont know the speed yet , spinosaurus is still a mystery

[inner orbit]

Yes

[civic carbon]

its like, you can hunt in the ocean and be meh at it, or hunt on land and be meh at it

[inner orbit]

Not the ingame one though

[mighty girder]

ew

[rocky sable]

we cant make any assumtions but we can make guesses

[inner orbit]

Looks cool

[mighty girder]

god realistic spino looks so fucking stupid LOL

[noble pine]

I like new spino, but I love our spino

[civic carbon]

i like the tail

[inner orbit]

Add back modding I would love to play as it

[civic carbon]

i wouldnt mind the tail being put on our spino

[noble pine]

Eh

[civic carbon]

but idrc if it does or not

[mighty girder]

When Modding is back or when the game is more finished Im sure theyll do it

honestly

[noble pine]

I don’t see it fitting tbh

[mighty girder]

could be a cool elder perk

[inner orbit]

The 2020 spino is way more interesting than the ingame one

[civic carbon]

i like TI spino

[noble pine]

Idk man, that lore is juicy

[mighty girder]

where you get a perk to adapt better for fishing, and the visualization of it is a tail more similar to irl spino

[lusty lava]

god realistic spino looks so fucking stupid LOL
@mighty girder wtf you on about it's just got a carnivorous pelican face, but still pretty cool

[civic carbon]

i've always liked beefcake spino and it fits

[inner orbit]

Tapwing made this

It’s a good blend

[civic carbon]

ig

[inner orbit]

It mixes them together pretty well

[mighty girder]

@lusty lava Just my opinion, everytime I see realistic spino I laugh, it just looks dumb to me

[inner orbit]

No

[civic carbon]

our spino is fine for the game

[mighty girder]

Looks like its about to fall on its face and cant walk properly

[noble pine]

I would’ve been fine if they did the version A and B thing like they originally planned to do, but what we got is fine

[civic carbon]

realistic spino would get its shit kicked in on the island

[rocky sable]

didnt dondi say you could really customize your creature? like giving them different parts like you could give your trike realistic curved horns so theres no reason that you cant make your spinosaurus have a paddle tail for better swimming abilities

[inner orbit]

So would realistic magy

[civic carbon]

ik

[inner orbit]

And realistic Utahraptor

[mighty girder]

@rocky sable Except that thicker tail means bigger hitbox

[noble pine]

Not really, it would really just have to rely on water

[civic carbon]

but come to land to drink ye

[noble pine]

If it’s in water-

[mighty girder]

and they dont want differng hitboxes

[civic carbon]

less you gave it the seabird shit

[inner orbit]

Most of these animals if they were realistic would not be compatible and would go extinct in months

[rocky sable]

yes but a paddle tail means your spino will be more adapted to the water , maybe an elder mutation , you swim faster and are more adapted to the water so you can stay their longer and only leave the water to nest and rest

[civic carbon]

which is why TI spino is fine as is. they wanted something that could contend with rex/giga/deino, and we got it

[inner orbit]

I’ve recommended that

About perks and bonuses and things like that

[noble pine]

People who complain about isle spino make me want to die

[rocky sable]

guys why are we doing this in feedback discussion and not isle discussion

[noble pine]

Fr

Because isle discussion bad

[mighty girder]

because its conversation about a suggestion

[rocky sable]

ah

[mighty girder]

"JustARandomPrimateToday at 6:11 PM
Apex balancing against each other. Spino: It should have a lot of health but not good damage output but quick attack speed by slower movement speed on land.Giga:High bleed and faster then the other two apexes by with lower health .T.rex:High bomebreak and moderate health and faster then spino but slower then giga"

Stemmed off of that

[lusty lava]

Personally, I'd rather games with dinosaurs just stick with factual realistic representation so people would just get used to the realism rather than everything needing to be based on a crocodile or look like Godzilla spawn or a ripoff from Monster Hunter. You're playing the games for the immersion learning about the dinosaurs in the process, and there's really no unique qualities if dinosaurs get created by what fans want to appear as "cool".

[inner orbit]

The Isle spino is good

[noble pine]

Fr, people who complain about spino but not about utah, Giga, stego theri etc are the worst

[inner orbit]

@lusty lava play Path Of Titans or Saurian

[civic carbon]

the isle is in no way realistic lmao

[noble pine]

Play saurian, PoT isn’t fully accurate either

[inner orbit]

Seriously don’t complain

[civic carbon]

most of our fiction dinos are fictionalized so they can survive on the island lmao

[inner orbit]

Or Historia

Historia will come out and is designed to be accurate

Play that

[civic carbon]

other then a few outliers our dinos are actually p good on the realism aspect

[noble pine]

Well when you throw a bunch of random dinosaurs from other periods that aren’t use to each other or know how to compete without those changes, what do you get? A bloody mess

[inner orbit]

I like my apex balancing ideas

Yeah magy would die within seconds

[noble pine]

other then a few outliers our dinos are actually p good on the realism aspect
@civic carbon ^^

[lusty lava]

I'm not complaining, I'm stating a preference, and honestly I feel even if The Isle isn't 100% realistic, I really enjoy the representation they're trying to go with.

[inner orbit]

It’s still a bit strange

[lusty lava]

At least it doesn't get out of wack like some of Ark's critters do.

[noble pine]

Ark can die

[mighty girder]

Honestly Im happy as long as games follow the suspension of belief

[noble pine]

They ruined it when they added tek

[mighty girder]

or whatever the phrase is

[inner orbit]

I like playing Ark

[noble pine]

I’m happy as long as this shit actually gets made

[mighty girder]

as long as it looks like it could exist semi-reasonably Im happy

[inner orbit]

In GCM killing things with guns

[civic carbon]

ofc im happy a few of our overfictionalized dinos are getting or have been remade.

[lusty lava]

Yeah I'm not a fan of Tek Dinos at all or advanced technology in Ark.

[mighty girder]

thats a whole can of worms I dont wanna risk opening lol wendigo

[civic carbon]

cough

[noble pine]

When they added tek i slowly stopped playing ark

anky ba- stfu lmao

[mighty girder]

Real talk

Im still sad they didnt merge old allo with new allo more

[civic carbon]

ugh no

[mighty girder]

and that theyre doing the same with giga from concepts

[lusty lava]

All my friends stopped playing when tek was added to Ark, like its just so fucking stupid

[mighty girder]

I hate the smoothening curse

[civic carbon]

new allo is a blessing

[noble pine]

I want old allo run and trot

[civic carbon]

• iirc allo was kind of copyright to someone who quit iirc

[inner orbit]

I like ark dlc’s the base game is awful

[noble pine]

A certain someone

[inner orbit]

Genesis is the only good part

[mighty girder]

new allo is the definition of basic as hell, but from what people have said thats what allo should be so

[inner orbit]

We do not mention that name

[civic carbon]

who made the horrendous realistic allo too

[mighty girder]

whatever I guess

I hope giga gets merged with its old version a little more

[lusty lava]

EWWW Genesis?!

[noble pine]

Allo is awesome even if it’s basic

[civic carbon]

^

sometimes being basic is unique

[noble pine]

Ready for new run and trot

[civic carbon]

doesnt need edgy spikes to be cool

[noble pine]

Isn’t our allo quite accurate?

[inner orbit]

To be honest ark has gone into a more sc-if direction

[civic carbon]

yeahj

other then lips

[noble pine]

Thought so

[inner orbit]

I don’t even play it for the dinosaurs

[noble pine]

Our cerato is on point accuracy though, same for taco

[inner orbit]

Yes

[civic carbon]

carno and sucho are too

[vast wolf]

arks allo is closer to a rex sized ceratosaurus.

[lusty lava]

I like Valguero and Ragnarok for Survival in Ark, but keep Genesis out of my life

[inner orbit]

Allo is pretty accurate

[vast wolf]

has osteoderms and everything.

[inner orbit]

Except for no lips

[lusty lava]

Allo is beautiful let me just say that right now

[inner orbit]

Allo is accurate

[lusty lava]

It's hard to fuck up a good Allo design

[noble pine]

Tbh most of the Dino’s are either really close to being accurate or are accurate, but then, there’s a small selection that are completely different which isn’t bad

[vast wolf]

the isles allo is pretty nice. the crests look a tad bit smaller but thats nothing to be mad at.

[civic carbon]

cause its fragilis

fragilis has p small crests

[noble pine]

But they’re pointy

[vast wolf]

Tbh most of the Dino’s are either really close to being accurate or are accurate, but then, there’s a small selection that are completely different which isn’t bad
first thing that came to mind for me was spino.

[noble pine]

Lmao

He’s a handsome boy, don’t bully him

[mighty girder]

eh hopefully elder allo does what I wanted allo to be

hopefully

[civic carbon]

(baardo's new jimmi would be cool asf for a skin though )

[mighty girder]

not that I'll ever play it regardless

too basic for me

[noble pine]

Honestly, when I saw the side view of it on Bryan’s stream, spino looks like a fucking boat

[vast wolf]

it looks unique and nice.. just wish the kink in its mouth was more pronounced and its sail was less tiny.

[unborn quail]

his changes are unfortunate but necessary for the niche its filling, and the fact 13m deino exists

[inner orbit]

Yes

[unborn quail]

yeah, my only gripe with the new spino was the unneeded baryonyification of its jaw and the shortening of its sail

[inner orbit]

That’s why the spino must be so big

[unborn quail]

other than that idrc

[noble pine]

A longer jaw and bigger sail and our spino would be

[unborn quail]

its gotta tail that works just like the newt tail irl spino has, just crocodile form

[civic carbon]

i like the beefyness of our spino

[unborn quail]

so aquatic adaptions check

[vast wolf]

yeah im the same way. its fine to make it resemble jp3 spino as long as its not as fictionalized.

[unborn quail]

its not stubby leg, but thats necessary given the fauna its living with

[vast wolf]

even still the spinos arms hang to its knees.

[inner orbit]

To be honest when genetic mutations are added add this to please people as a swimming mutation.I like both.Trade Swim speed and health bonus for land speed and damage

[lusty lava]

The Isle's concept art spino: very nice

[noble pine]

Jp3 spino wasn’t even that fictionalized compared to what we knew then, it was just made bulkier and obviously stronger for a certain scene I love

[inner orbit]

Ehhh

[lusty lava]

Ark's spino: not so nice

[noble pine]

Ew

[inner orbit]

Meh

[vast wolf]

ark spino was a dog with a sail.

now its a lizard with a sail.

[noble pine]

I like how they show it fighting rex, but in game the bastards don’t fight when they come into each other’s range

[vast wolf]

still buggs me that it has trouble swimming and bary dosent.

[civic carbon]

dimetrodon

[vast wolf]

dimetrodon in ark swims better than that thing and dimetro turns like a buss.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/665228011141857280/SpinoWalk.mp4

[lusty lava]

and this is what Ark based their design off of

[noble pine]

I want our spino to not be a pussy but I don’t want it to be op, no matter how much I want it to stop a rexes head in

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/665301016291573800/SpinoRun.mp4

[inner orbit]

Ironically in Ark the giga is massively bigger than the spino which is only just slightly bigger than a rex

[civic carbon]

i do wonder if that run is our hippo run

[vast wolf]

those legs arent even that short.

[noble pine]

Giga is technically a semi-boss

[vast wolf]

wild gigas in ark are basically mini bosses.

[inner orbit]

Jay is pointless to tame

[noble pine]

Not with the Dunlap moving like that

[vast wolf]

the titano is a tamable boss.

[inner orbit]

It’s more of a pouch

Like a pelican

In my opinion

[vast wolf]

yeah spino has a throat pouch. so dose sucho.

[inner orbit]

To store fish

[vast wolf]

aparently suchos movment will be reworked.

[civic carbon]

i hope it will

[noble pine]

Giga turns into a pussy when you tame it, drops 75% of its stats and isn’t very viable unless you’re constantly doing small scale raids on people

[civic carbon]

or we get old suchos anims

• a new idle

[mighty girder]

Im not looking forward to seeing female spino at all

[civic carbon]

i hate that it has the giga idle

[vast wolf]

old sucho had some wide hips.

sucho dosent.

[noble pine]

Keep in mind scarlet, the default skins in this game have always been eh

[civic carbon]

its anims were nice though

[mighty girder]

no

[inner orbit]

Imprinted rex is better than a giga

[mighty girder]

I mean the model

[civic carbon]

old suchos anims used to be on the new sucho iirc and they looked nice as hell

[mighty girder]

Im not looking forward to seeing spino but tinier sail and no crest at all

[noble pine]

It probably won’t be as jagged but other than that I don’t see how they could change much

[vast wolf]

not all ceratures will get dimorphism.

[mighty girder]

I mean just follow the trend

[civic carbon]

what trend

[mighty girder]

hammer to the head and a scissor to characterising details

[noble pine]

Remember not all dinosaurs will have model changes in dimorphism, spino much just be a case of bright colors = male

[civic carbon]

..?

[mighty girder]

following that, you get smaller crest and tinier sail

[civic carbon]

you mean the female giga who barely changes lmao

[vast wolf]

tbf the spino model we have could be the female...

[mighty girder]

what

no

the trend happens with them all

[vast wolf]

we dont know.

[mighty girder]

Im not bitching here squishy lol

[inner orbit]

Give male spino a brighter sail

[civic carbon]

there is no trend though

[mighty girder]

Just saying I dont look forward to it

[civic carbon]

it makes it look more feminine

"feminine"

still looks just as fucking scary

[vast wolf]

male spino could have the other head option and a slightly taller sail.

it might be identical.

[inner orbit]

And brighter sail

[noble pine]

They probably won’t change much or anything at all, just bright colors

[civic carbon]

or they might just make the female smoother. or not touch it at all and simply make bright colours for male

[mighty girder]

that'd be a perfect world where they dont touch it squishy

[vast wolf]

its not impossible for the model we have been shown to be the female. the original stego model is the female.

[mighty girder]

but sadly perfect worlds dont exist

[civic carbon]

and they might not?

[noble pine]

Probably won’t, it’s crests aren’t big enough to smooth down

[civic carbon]

we've been told not all dinos will get it

[inner orbit]

Male spino almost certainly had a bright sail for attracting a mate.Irl

I hope a bright sail does happen

[vast wolf]

i mean we do have the skin patern.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/665301016291573800/SpinoRun.mp4

the red is the male detail.

[mighty girder]

we've been told a lot of things, better to go off what you've been shown rather then what you've been told

[noble pine]

I know it’s kinda odd, but I kinda wanna see the sale get more bright if you 3 call, or make it look more red for a moment

[civic carbon]

ok. and we havent seen any difference between female and male yet

[mighty girder]

that'd be cool but make no sense wendigo

[inner orbit]

Not even physical differences

Colour differences would be fine

[mighty girder]

@civic carbon everything else has gotten it is what im getting at

if you'd just read

[civic carbon]

literally only stego and giga

[noble pine]

It’s thought spinosaurus could force blood to the sail to make itself look more intimidating

[mighty girder]

giga, stego, para, utah iirc

[vast wolf]

para cough

[civic carbon]

para

3

[mighty girder]

teno prob will when females come back to the game

[civic carbon]

out of what

[vast wolf]

i havent seen anything on utah.

[inner orbit]

Like the stego from wwd

[mighty girder]

I might be thinking of elder utah dont remember

[inner orbit]

Is that what you mean?

[civic carbon]

prob elder utah

[vast wolf]

yeah likely elder.

[civic carbon]

why is it even an issue anyways

just play the male if its that bad

[mighty girder]

please refer to where I said

Im not complainin

Im not trying to start that argument again here

its just my opinion

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/701592589551534150/image0.png

that?

[civic carbon]

ye thats elder

[noble pine]

That’s an elder

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/701592705662189619/image1.png

[noble pine]

Elder

[inner orbit]

Elders

[vast wolf]

these are elders.

[mighty girder]

Never was a fan of the fan made concepts that just took females and made them less detailed, not a fan of it coming to the game, but Im not a dev and its not my choice

doesnt mean I cant give my opnion on it

[civic carbon]

well yeah

[inner orbit]

That’s kind of realistic in a lot of animals

[civic carbon]

but again. just play the male if you dont like it lmao

[inner orbit]

Including dinosaurs closest relatives

[mighty girder]

JuSt PlAy tHe MaLe

[noble pine]

But that’s an actual think, look at chickens, the roosters are usually larger and have crests

Same for turkeys

[inner orbit]

To be honest being a female would make for easier survival

You aren’t as flashy and easy to spot

[civic carbon]

i dont see the issue in playing a male giga if you think the female isnt nice to look at

[lusty lava]

Why not have the male spinos have a sail like these? Leave the female spinos with the current spino setup?

[inner orbit]

I agree

[mighty girder]

the best part of this

[civic carbon]

im gonna be honest, i never understood the whole argument anyways

[mighty girder]

is I never even mentioned giga

but you're so desperate to bring the argument back

you keep mentioning it

[civic carbon]

im really not

[inner orbit]

Sexual Dimorphism exists end of story

[noble pine]

^

[mighty girder]

Can't wait for mods to come back

[lusty lava]

wtf is Sexual Dimorphism

[noble pine]

The fact you keep bringing up that it’s an argument is what’s gonna make this an argument

[civic carbon]

difference between males and females

[noble pine]

Cease

[mighty girder]

model differences @lusty lava

besides just color

[civic carbon]

it was apparently a whole sexist agenda or sumn iirc

[noble pine]

I saw that

[civic carbon]

but thats another story for another day

[noble pine]

Someone ss it and sent it in chat

[vast wolf]

people that cry about sexual dimorphism arent smart humans have sexual dimorphism and extreme individual variation.

[mighty girder]

yeah that was cringe

[inner orbit]

We have sexual dimorphism

[civic carbon]

ye i just really dont see the issue with it. but thats me

[lusty lava]

ahh ok, I'm not trying to do that, I was just adding to what Just was saying like maybe since we already have the print design for the spinos, just splash colors like that on the sails for the males and call it done?

[inner orbit]

As humans we undoubtedly have sexual dimorphism

[noble pine]

Most animals have

[civic carbon]

anyways, make this lad a skin for allo

[noble pine]

Yes

[inner orbit]

Yes

[lusty lava]

oh that's very nice, I want that on an Allo

[mighty girder]

isnt that just

the isles allo

but red

[civic carbon]

jimmi

we have fragilis

[mighty girder]

skin seems the same just different colors

[vast wolf]

that bugs me for some reason. looks like its got a skin disease.

[lusty lava]

But look at all that vibrancy where you can see the vein details better

[civic carbon]

i meant the model LMAO

[mighty girder]

oh lol

eh

[vast wolf]

oh

scrawny giga

[civic carbon]

naw

[lusty lava]

I like the whole package

[civic carbon]

he's a cool lad

he has the bigger crests that people like

sort of

[lusty lava]

Also this might sound like a slightly retarded discussion I'd like to bring up

But I'd like to see the male T-rex's have a solid black skin because I'm sorry, yes this is gonna sound retarded, but I liked the t-rexes in The Land Before Time.

Like a really dark black, not the faded dark gray, more like a coal black that fades slightly with the ruby red eyes, I think that'd be pretty badass

[inner orbit]

I’d rather see male T.rexes like this

[vast wolf]

thats what skin customization is for.

[lusty lava]

oh like in Primal Fear? That's pretty cool too

Though ngl his throat looks like a shriveled up sausage

[inner orbit]

I mean the dewlap

You know T###o had one of those

[lusty lava]

thats what skin customization is for.
@vast wolf like what do you mean? Cuz the current skin color options don't have a lot of options and the colors are usually pretty faded smokey in appearance. Or is there an option I'm not aware of?

[vast wolf]

what do you mean smoky?

ive seen plenty of jet black or pure white rexes.

its also getting reworked and we dont know the extent of how detailed it will be.

[lusty lava]

Well like the greys have a smokey faded look, nothing really dark, which is fine if you're going for earthy camouflages, cuz you have the mossy green, sewage green, and then shades of browns.

[vast wolf]

using dark brown with other dark colors can make the skin look black if you use them right.

[lusty lava]

But like, what if you want a Tuscan Red, like to blend in with desert like canyon styles, or slight blue tints?

[vast wolf]

i suggest trying that dark green diablo color.

[lusty lava]

The colors are nice in combination, but I'd like to see a really stark contrast dark color

[vast wolf]

black/dark brown on top dark green under than then cerato 4 dark brown.

[lusty lava]

to kinda highlight the other colors

[vast wolf]

the main reason black was taken out was because people were making indoraptor ocs and it annoyed don.

[lusty lava]

lmfao

[inner orbit]

Why?

[vast wolf]

the roleplayers ruined it for everyone.

[inner orbit]

Seriously what’s wrong with that?

Oh roleplay

Yeah fair play

[vast wolf]

imigine half the server as dockthas screeching.

[lusty lava]

I mean I'm all for roleplaying as I do D&D myself, but I can imagine that was....migraine inducing

[bleak atlas]

@mortal kestrel comp will be playable

[mortal kestrel]

i think bite 100 or 120 bite force is good for combat

i guess comp is come with map different area (jungle)

[languid crown]

nah i dont think it will do much damage at all

but it can eat you even if your alive, so you can run up to someone and press e and deal damage that way?

[mortal kestrel]

yes but if you can join pack you can kill baby dinos or juvis

wait

[languid crown]

that would be fun i think

[mortal kestrel]

ohh yes your right comp can eat you even if your alive

it still has to be a bit of bite force i know damage is low but you can bite with group so much damage

They were eating the man's hand in the Jurrasic park xD

[barren zephyr]

thats JP

[bleak atlas]

^

[barren zephyr]

even then like 100 plus to 120 is more than a person's help in games. (since it always tends to be 100)

and velo in legacy had like 25 health

[mortal kestrel]

idk base power but need damage little

[barren zephyr]

compy is probably going to do 1 damage or 2

[still raptor]

tbh id give it 5 damage

[mortal kestrel]

nah

[bleak atlas]

It will just clean corpses and will not hunt. It will do nothing

[mortal kestrel]

well can hunt with grup and can kill some baby dinos

[vast wolf]

hatchlings eggs if it can break them carrion and insects. thats what compys diet will be.

[mortal kestrel]

If you are not going to play this dinosaur, I think it makes no sense to interfere

[vast wolf]

compy is basically a bite sized snack thats a pain to see or catch.

[bleak atlas]

Compys favorite food will be gore

[old mica]

Comparatively Irl tegus headwise would be larger than a compys and a tegu can produce 1000 newtons of bite force irl. So i would put it somewhere in the 500 range irl.

The trex irl was estimated at a bite force of 57,000 newtons in game it has a bite force of 450

So if we take 450 and divide by 57,000, then multiply by 500 we get a compys in game bite force accurate to real life, 3.9

[silk hatch]

That's because the game takes the weight statistic into account when calculating damage

[old mica]

Makes sense

Will be a gore nugget for sure

[silk hatch]

Basically every time you deal damage(base or bleed or even bone break chance) your weight gets divided by your targets weight and then that becomes a multiplier attached to your base damage value, whatever it is
At least in Legacy
That way they keep the base damage values relatively close to each other

Instead of having to directly give Rex Eleventy fuckmillion damage to contrast velos bite

[old mica]

Makes perfect sense.

[bleak atlas]

@silk hatch I think that gets changed

[tepid gate]

In Evrima Utahraptors biteforce is equal 130, Compy is most definitely not getting 120 or even 100 biteforce, it's just out of question. Also the thing is so microscopic that it's hardly going to interact with much of anything really in the game. It makes sense as an AI swarm-creature where it just cleans up corpses if left unattended however I have no idea how this thing would be supposed to work as a playable and I have serious doubts whether it can have a playstyle healthy for this game.

[bleak atlas]

Its just playable, because people wanted to play it. It will be weak and unbalanced probably

Unbalanced in scene of very weak and nothing more than an cleanup thing

[cobalt compass]

aye, it isnt clear yet if it will get a lifecycle

[mortal kestrel]

well lets think 50 60 biteforce

[cobalt compass]

i wouldnt hold on to N as bite force until we get more dinos and information

[mortal kestrel]

yes probably dev can give information later

[tepid gate]

50/60biteforce is still way, way too much for an animal 1/10 the size of a Velociraptor.

[inner orbit]

I’d play compy to explore it would probably take 5 minutes

To grow

Then I would die and get bored

[tepid gate]

I don't see any reason why this animal should have any growth whatsoever. If going by the real values it's 30 times smaller than a freshly spawned Utahraptor in Evrima.

[inner orbit]

How big is the ingame compy?Is it the same size as the real one?

Or is it smaller

[tepid gate]

Ugh, I would have to check

We've seen Compy only in that Hope Trailer, right?

[errant jackal]

i dont think it would literally be 1/10 would it? velos are pretty small

[tepid gate]

No model that would've been displayed during one of the streams

Compsognathus is a 3.5kg animal in comparison with a 32kg Velociraptor

Yes, it is THAT small

https://i.imgur.com/omUVNh4.png

Yellow is the Compy, Velo is Red

Yellow on the black background

[errant jackal]

haha ok ok fair enough it was honest question

[tepid gate]

I know

I honestly kind of forgot how small that thing is myself

Until it was announced into the game

They could probably kill some of those smallest animals if they were to be in a pack... like homalo, oro, perhaps hypsi or taco

[inner orbit]

Compy should be a bit larger

[tepid gate]

I think all the animals in this smallest size-category should be made larger in general

[tepid gate]

They are legitimately not even worth hunting with that weight since weight determines how much food a body yields.

[inner orbit]

Velociraptor is the one at the front under microraptor