thanks cocoajin for the complementation 
#general-feedback-discussion
jade schooner
old seal
@old seal realistic? Not quite (I am finishing a career on animal medicine and have a bit of knowledge in the ecosystemic interactions).
There are animals that can pack quite a punch, all animals can be aggressive when feel threatened (or even are just aggressive). Herbivores aren't usually stronger, prey animal instinct is to runaway. There are some that do fight, and some that are basically tanks (think rhinoceros/elephants/hippos even buffalos), they will attack and defend when needed, but they also will try to run away most of the time. Carnivores attacking herds isn't suicidal depending on the species and their awareness. If it's a surprise attack, first instinct is to run, if you see them walk by (as long as you're a mean mofo (think buffalo or hogs)) you stand your ground and try to ward them off. (very simplistic way of putting it all)Now, the issue is that this is a game and balancing speeds and damage can be a huge hassle we have to figure out. In reality, there rarely are fast killing blows. But that would take away from the experience, and no one wants to be slowed down, trying to run away with little wounds then bigger wounds while you're being pulled and bitten by a pack. But just like in the real world: If you're not alert, it will cost you
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
@jade schooner Thank you for this information.
Still the problem in the game remains. Herds without trikes get easily destroyed by apexes and without a herd many herbivores are easy prey so its not fun to play them. Also i think it would be nice to see herds of herbivore that are not trikes or maias as for now its rare to find any "weak" herbivores (pachy, para, diablo).
jade schooner
All I can say honestly is let's hope whoever manages the official servers now can give the rules a check and rework. We can't rely on the devs for legacy anymore (stat changes and such)
cobalt compass
that is still right, but why bother with legacy
jade schooner
becuase they're currently playing there and it's still being moderated by members of the community
cobalt compass
yes
jade schooner
still playable
old seal
that is still right, but why bother with legacy
@cobalt compass Because i play the game? Evrima is far away from playable.
old seal
Im fine with official server. I just wanna make a suggestion how it can be better.
cobalt compass
sry, let me rewrite that:
why bother with problems of the legacy
old seal
Its not a developer problem just a community rule change. I know devs dont work on this version anymore.
cobalt compass
if a read the recent rule change correct, than theres only carni mixpacking forbidden
from the 19th june
yeah, most problems are generated by the community
nope im wrong, sorry for that confusion
barren zephyr
or maybe don't worry about it since it's a fictionalized animal in a video game?
I get your concerns but there are 3 out of how ever many dinosaurs that even have any sort of sexual dimorphism. giga so far is the biggest example. and even then it's barely different.
prisma lily
it impacts the player experience in a tangible way and these design choices do indeed affect multiple aspects going on, such as the portion of the playerbase that feels female playables should be physically weaker and just slightly faster than males, or how people feel emboldened to behave in really toxic ways in-game towards people with the notion of "female=soft and weak"
to have the designs play into that notion is worrisome, and until the developers reveal dimorphism variants that do not tie into that stereotype, i am going to continue to be concerned and worry for my future experiences when playing this game.
barren zephyr
cuz it def matters to a giga that is an extremely large apex predator whether or not it looks soft or not
mental sleet
I get where he's going, basically, if two rexes show up, one looks more well-decorated and the other one bland...
Outside of nesting, why would you want to pick a worse-looking dinosaur ?
prisma lily
there's that and i feel taking the route of just cutting off aspects of the animal to imply it is a female is like. kind of insulting. at least give the female variant its own unique feature, not like it had a razor drawn to it.
it implies male = default and female = less than, where you are missing out on not just that bonus color slot anymore but entire features of the animal. imagine carno with no horns at all.
people also will fight harder to push dimorphism into stat territory. "oh well if its head is smaller, and it has a headbutt, surely it should do less per hit than the male..."
come to think of it i greatly hope that they do not reduce any animal's horn sizes. cuz that'd be a nightmare in discussions.
barren zephyr
again. i understand the concern. but i think you're thinking too far about it. it's the same dino. there are no state changes. it's just to indicate which one is male or female. females will probs have something going for them. And females can carry out the species. and mothers will probably get buffs. so i'm certain you got absolutely nothing to worry about
prisma lily
you're entirely ignoring my concern with not stats, i know devs said they don't want to change stats between sexes, but with player behavior and the impression that these cut-off design choices make.
icy lion
i think youre misunderstanding their concern being a gameplay one, its a visual concern in this case
we all know that there will be no stat differences between genders
prisma lily
it's less "the devs want the female dino to be weaker... gameplay ruined..." and more "i am going to see a 10x rise in the rate of people who suggest female playables be weaker than males both in game and on here AND because i like playing stealth female dinos it's gonna look naked as hell and like a shittier version of the dino"
prisma lily
then you have not had certain experiences that i have had in-game and are very fortunate.
barren zephyr
that seems like a very niche encounter
prisma lily
if this idea is alien to you, take the time to talk with friends of yours who are women who play multiplayer online videogames, and their feelings on design choices that defer to female playables being cut down versions of the males, or if you have male friends who play female characters, listen in on their experiences from online games and how others treated them while they played that character.
barren zephyr
for dinosaurs
prisma lily
playing a dinosaur that is visually softened from its male counterpart impacts player experience and perception.
barren zephyr
definitely
for a human character. Those ideas make sense. Dinosaurs and other animals in general are completely different. african elephants are matriarchs, same for hyenas. and we may get that. but in the politest way i can put. i'v seen how you reacted to the giga design. thats all i have to say about that
it would be cool to get features like that. but for now. sexual dimorphism is just a way a player can identify another males or females. and thats if a species gets it
so enough about this sjw stuff with giga. cuz it's literally just a cosmetic thing. it's pointless to debate over
strange wave
so we have gotten what, four of 50 animals with confirmed dimorphism
barren zephyr
pretty sure ya
strange wave
definitely we can see that all of them are like that...
also in many modern birds we see a similar pattern of males being A more colorful and B much more loaded with things to display to females
a great example being hyps... i mean the king of Saxony bird of paradise
mighty girder
Eh I'll always be on the sides that the skins were obvious enough if people needed to tell what was male and what was female, but if they make all the females look ugly I'll just play male or something that has so little dimorphism its easy to ignore
annoying but not the end of the world
Nesting just isn't that big of a deal or that worth it currently, might change in the future but Im not gonna play something that looks worse just to be able to nest
strange wave
i dont see how the new female designs are ugly
barren zephyr
the 4 we have aren't.
mighty girder
Para looks like something beat its head in, same with giga. Stego doesnt even look like stego to me
Its opinion based because its visual
strange wave
in fact i prefer the para and giga females to the males
mighty girder
giga looks like someone dropped an anvil on its face actually
strange wave
all a matter of opinion
silver zephyr
I dont see the problem with the giga sexual dimorphism. The female giga still has the crest and the back spikes are just a bit smaller and dont really affect it in any way besides differing the genders. If they made the female gigas jaw smaller or something i would be annoyed a bit but the only things that changed between them are purely aesthetic things which arent even that major to differentiate the 2.
barren zephyr
i mean. both stego and the new giga are more accurate-ish but yeah. def a preference. personally i always play female cuz i hate the bright streak of color.
mighty girder
I don't agree with the people in uproar about it, but I hope not EVERY species has the male looking pretty and colorful with actual detail to the model
because like I said, nesting just isn't worth playing the uglier thing
barren zephyr
i highly doubt that'll be the case like ever
strange wave
all i can say is almost 100% that at least a few of the animals have much more colorful females
silver zephyr
i would like all the female ceratopsians to have slightly bigger head crests imo
idk why but i feel like it would be nice but nothing major
barren zephyr
i think a female speeno would be cool if it was a lil bigger. (maybe even a bigger crest)
icy lion
i think you just described my main issue with it, the male looks detailed amd generally more imteresting. if on the giga the crest was the same, or the spines, OR the neck, itd be better to me than having all 3 reduced on the female
mighty girder
I don't get why the spines have to be smaller tbh, or the neck flap. Crest and detail is more then enough imo but its not up to me
Honestly though Im biased in that scenario because I like old giga model more then current based off the concept art
barren zephyr
dewlap thingy cuz giga with dewlap is kewl
strange wave
we still dont have any patterns or colors for giga
mighty girder
Really hoping they merge the 2 models a bit more before finalizing
silver zephyr
yeah i think the spine change was a bit overkill. the crest and the dewlap change was pretty good though.
strange wave
the detail could be on the neck patch and crests
barren zephyr
i kinda like the bigger spine. gives a bit of character
mighty girder
Character that the female doesn't get just because she can shit out an egg
icy lion
yea keeping the thicker neck on male and having the detail would be fantastic. if the faces were kept as is and the female got the neck spines and shoulders itd be wonderful
strange wave
also the crests and dewlap aren't that different
mighty girder
the dewlap comment was more me nitpicking then anything else tbh
barren zephyr
think of it this way. Hypo giga is more than likely getting a redesign
strange wave
the male just has a slight bit more on both
mighty girder
Dont remind me
Hyper giga is my second favorite hyper atm
can't wait to see how it gets worse too
silver zephyr
i think the bigger dewlap and crest work for the male giga because of display or something like that but the spikes and back shouldve stayed the same imo
icy lion
my issue is that the female almost completely lacks the neck spikes instead of having it reduced like the crest. and having the bulkier shoulders is a bit weird imo
mighty girder
neither of them have neck spikes
barren zephyr
personally. i think it would be cool if you could choose a certain look of your dino before you spawn. like the whole color thing can stay as a male to female thing. but i think if you can choose between having a bigger crest or smaller spine, etc. i'm hooked for good
barren zephyr
like you could have features that the male has but you're a female and vice versa
icy lion
not to bring up That Game but PoTs "subspecies" customization is nice (might not work hitbox wise though)
strange wave
well, thanks eye
mighty girder
Honestly if sexual dimorphism makes it so females get to be colorful too, I'll shutup and deal with less detail and less character, but if the skin situation stays the same I'm just not gonna bother playing as female anymore
strange wave
such minor differences
icy lion
shoulders being thicker is weird though
barren zephyr
the design is still interesting
mighty girder
In your opinion it is
barren zephyr
like for 1. Dino crisis giga skin better make a comeback. cuz i bet it would look dope as fuck on a female
strange wave
i doubt that the shoulder dimorphism is going to stay in the model
icy lion
the model might end up looking completely different just because its an actual 3d object and not lineart as well
silver zephyr
the dewlap and crest change should stay because of display reasons but the back and neck spines change is kinda unneeded imo
icy lion
like on the hyper rex, a lot of people had issues with the face being so detailed but on a model with textures it wouldnt be an issue
barren zephyr
only problem i have with the new hypo is the inner tusks
still temple
was the face being detailed ever an argument against the new hypo rex?
still temple
I only recall the inner tusks, along with the doberman crests being points of criticism
strange wave
it was "too detailed"
still temple
o damn lol
strange wave
it was almost like its the main thing that a tyrannosaur has going for it
barren zephyr
yeah it looked like a sabertooth
icy lion
the chin was mentioned a lot too
still temple
crimson chin
barren zephyr
i think the face being so rendered is just to emphasize the look of it. and especially how armored the head is probably going to be
mighty girder
Yeah hyper giga was just a case of 2d and trying to squeeze too much detail into a 2d artwork I think, excited to see it modeled
barren zephyr
so if you're shooting a hypo. head prob won't be a good place to shoot since you can't insta down it
mighty girder
Glad they kept its jaw super strong too
strange wave
Yeah hyper giga was just a case of 2d and trying to squeeze too much detail into a 2d artwork I think, excited to see it modeled
@mighty girder hyper giga?
silver zephyr
guys dont want to alarm you but this talk may not be best for feedback discussion
mighty girder
its fine
silver zephyr
just dont want yall to get strikes
mighty girder
we're discussing feedback people gave previously on the hyper rex concept
barren zephyr
^
silver zephyr
ok then
barren zephyr
dull those crest spikes (don't know how auto correct got ships) above the eyes. remove the hippo teeth from inside the mouth and maybe shrink the chin a bit and i'd love it
feral wedge
Dimorphism is dimorphism. Nature doesn't give one damn about stigmas and imposing them onto an animal that just looks slightly different is foolhardy and a waste of time. Male and female isn't stat differentiation for the game. If someone makes the mistake of underestimating another creature of equal strength, they'll just die. Resolves itself. If the person behind the animal is meek, then they will be meek.
barren zephyr
yeh
lament kayak
lol
I don't think people should even start worrying about dimorphism, we don't know enough about how its gonna affect other dinos visually yet
trail tide
I quite like the subtle variation in the Giga art.
prisma lily
behaving as tho these manmade designs are indicative of nature is a bit silly imo. these are consciously crafted designs for a game, thus are prone to subconscious bias like all creations are. if male morphs in the future are given the softer appearance treatment, i will chill, but for now i see a worrisome trend that cuts characteristics away from female playables.
cassowaries have no real dimorphism. hawks. bald eagles. parrots dimorphism is limited to specific markings on the males. i can go on about how even reptiles vary greatly with females being larger and more striking than males with some.
lament kayak
these are dinos, they are a lil more primitive in most cases. There are of course exceptions
prisma lily
if you want to discuss primitive species, look at the modern fossil of an animal, the hoatzin. a claw winged bird with odd crinkling chest tissue and no dimorphism.
lament kayak
that would be what I consider an exception
prisma lily
quite the contrary, there is reason to believe dramatic dimorphic display in birds is a relatively recent evolutionary trend
and looking at predatory birds, the trend points to dimorphism being less extreme within their species
jade schooner
Why dimorphism here is like this is not because of some macho thing surrounding the team, but it's just an overview of nature which as far as I can tell, the devs seem to know or handle very well (besides the fact of just going with, you know, speculations and interpretations of the animals we control). Nature revolves around a way that doesn't care about what's what as long as it survives. The devs can't go with size differences, of course, and regarding the other features: slicker/softer looking doesn't mean weaker.
You can go various ways:
Size, colour or shape. Now, we can't do size, of course, which usually in marine life, birds of prey, hyenas, the female tends to be larger, why we see examples of larger males is mostly due to how mammals behave and their social structure. Now imo, it should be that female dinos could've been larger, unless their social behaviours proved otherwise.
We used to do colour, now we have physical differences in evrima.
How do these work? Females are more important than males. Let's just say it like that, males are expendable.
Colourful displays are a way to call for the attention of the female, but also calls predators. For the male it's easier to be spotted and has to prove he can make it so far to reproduce.
Now to physical attributes is usually larger males (crests, antlers, manes, etc) just to show off and prove they have cool genes to pass along. The larger the better, why? Basically takes more energy and strength to build that up, so it means you're well fed and made it this far.
Now, the idea of sexual dimorphism in this game is to make a physical difference noticeable for the players to recognise outside the colour of their skins. I do not mind at all the Giga for example, since it's very subtle. I do, tho, the stego one, since it's backward to what it should be, also the round shape looks meh, so i would instead make the female ones sharper instead of rounder.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, I'll be here all week.
lament kayak
I'm pretty sure our more primitive dinos such as giga and the jurassic era boys would follow a basic male is more decorative than female trend. Things like rex might be the opposite tho I'm not sure. I just don't think dimorphism is too important and worth fussing about really, more of a mechanics and gameplay person
feral wedge
Dimorphism isn't sexism. Period.
prisma lily
dimorphism itself isnt my issue gar, it is removing features from the base animal to present it as female, lessening its silhuette and placing rounder shapes on it to enforce the idea that it is female, that i take issue with
jade schooner
(When I also mention the well fed, females take a lot, and I mean a lot, to produce their eggs. So putting up energy to decorations is pointless)
(I don't like much the suggestion of female with quills since it kinda feels odd in a reproductive standpoint)
(and caribou grow antlers antlers in different seasons, while female grow them on autumn/winter, males grow them for spring/summer)
barren zephyr
Look at it the other way around
lament kayak
I'd like some dinosaurs to have females be more decorative than males just to keep things unique and interesting. Otherwise I don't see a big problem with dimorphism atm
(rex)
feral wedge
Logical modeling would be making the female and then accenting features. Not the other way around.
jade schooner
But they're not removing anything, literally. They're not taking away from the dinosaurs, they
silver zephyr
i personally would like all female ceratopsids to have slightly bigger frills or whatever they are called
jade schooner
What Gar said
prisma lily
should male morphs be given the same treatment with some species, i will chill, but as it is it is worrying to see only female morphs be treated this way. they lack character and have even in the hope trailer been marketed as smaller with the infamous not full sized female para with droopy crest
lament kayak
what
barren zephyr
Cherry picking I see
prisma lily
i know the finalized animals will be of the same size btw
prisma lily
i am not cherry picking, you are misunderstanding me not enjoying the cutting of visual features from solely female playables as disliking dimorphism as a whole
lament kayak
Did you not read what gar said
feral wedge
Apparently not.
lament kayak
It wouldn't make sense to cut features off of a male, I think that would cause issues
feral wedge
They aren't shaving away at the base animal to end up something lesser.
barren zephyr
Oh boy
prisma lily
you are assuming the female is going to be taken as the default look for the species and not the far more decorative male morphs shown
feral wedge
It is the default look. The default model.
Which is why everything is female on Evrima
languid crown
females dont need to attract attention, their meer existence is enough to secure a mate
jade schooner
I already explained why male have decorations in real world, I guess my wall of text was too much
languid crown
males on the other hand..
feral wedge
Because males have another color, some little nubbies, something extra.
It's competition for females. Not females competing for males.
prisma lily
again, ignoring my issue with just that. males of real species are not always the ones with “extra”.
feral wedge
That's just how nature is.
languid crown
your right, which is why female steg looks way better then male steg
granite vigil
But some are
jade schooner
Females extra is usually larger size
feral wedge
If even that.
granite vigil
There’s no reason to assume dinosaurs don’t follow common trends today with sexual dimorphism
feral wedge
And it varies so wildly that it's hardly a good basis for this discussion topic.
granite vigil
Whether or not be with color or bodily displays
feral wedge
And male and female rex specimens leapfrog in greater size like every 3 years.
jade schooner
It's either they look the same or they're bigger. In males case it's colours, decorations or sheer size in mammals mostly
prisma lily
i have explained and given examples of animals wherein females express more traits, and as of now the devs have steg swapped, and unless the devs play around with decorative female variants, im going to remain concerned.
i don’t know how to explain to you how unsettling it is to have females always painted as “smoother”
silver zephyr
civic carbon
i'd be more scared of her because i WONT see bright flashy colours
leaden pecan
She still got the same teeth, isn’t that scary enough?
jade schooner
I do not mind at all the Giga for example, since it's very subtle. I do, tho, the stego one, since it's backward to what it should be, also the round shape looks meh, so i would instead make the female ones sharper instead of rounder.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, I'll be here all week.
@prisma lily
barren zephyr
it'll "enforce and encurage a toxic masculinity" that barely exists in this game
grave karma
theres like 3 differences between the male and female Giga and they're minimal
lament kayak
I am certain there will be some cases where male dinos are more decorative than female ones, so I wouldn't worry
granite vigil
This is a needless argument
barren zephyr
very
lament kayak
yes
languid crown
when i play male i always go with the grey colour option for the crests
civic carbon
she doesn't have a hunchback, has no neckpouch and has shortened crests. that's it
granite vigil
1 singular dinosaur
civic carbon
same size, same weight, same scariness
trail tide
i have explained and given examples of animals wherein females express more traits,
There's also examples of the opposite.
barren zephyr
WAY MORE of the opposite
granite vigil
The ones you listed are the minority, not the majority
barren zephyr
this isn't some meta thing.
granite vigil
Smaller animals follow the weirder paths
Larger ones tend to stick to the usual one
jade schooner
What I'm trying to do, like Gar, is explain logically the approach from the dev team.
I'm a veterinarian major and did special courses regarding birds, so I'm just trying to bring to the table what I know. Asides all the other stuff. I guess you can tell in the wall of text before.
I think this is the last I will say about the topic, don't need to get each other too heated up
lament kayak
small animals can safely expend more energy doing different things, they small
I think
thats my guess
feral wedge
The issue is finding purchase in an argument where someone illogical will only abide by their personal biases.
jade schooner
small animals can safely expend more energy doing different things, they small
@lament kayak How smaller? Because I can either give you a no and a maybe. Depending on the kind of animal as well
leaden pecan
If anything sexual dimorphism that is male based tends to be more of a burden. Vibrant color patterns make them harder to hide, antlers on deer cost more energy to grow and carry, etc.
jade schooner
Depends on the deer species
barren zephyr
i play female cuz i like the simplistic color plus it's easier to not get noticed
civic carbon
^
tbh i could care less about "sleeker and smoother designs" on females
so long as they're the same height and weight, i don't give a shit
jade schooner
I prefer that look usually tbh, rather then the bulk
civic carbon
i'll pick the one i think looks better, which more often then not is the female
barren zephyr
i'd like a bigger female spino pls ;u;
lament kayak
@jade schooner Very small, low end of the food chain ig
jade schooner
No size differences.
barren zephyr
ik just doin a bit
jade schooner
@jade schooner Very small, low end of the food chain ig
@lament kayak Yea, they can't afford anything really, they'll tend to be larger females, and if not that, no sexual dimorphism
lament kayak
damn alright
barren zephyr
OFFTOPIC
dense dew
The female giga (for example) doesn’t have less detail?
mighty girder
I'd mind it less if it wasn't always just "Female model? here have less detail, uglier colors and less character but you can shit an egg out of your ass!" But like I said before Im probably just gonna give up and only play the male dinos
mighty girder
But it does. Its like someone took a steam roller and flattened every detail on it
Crests? Sure I don't mind. Dewlap? Unneccessary imo but whatever detail region i guess
Smaller shoulder and spikes? why?
dense dew
So it’s easier to tell the difference from afar i assume. The crest, dewlap, and shoulder hump is all to make the male appear bigger and a better choice for the female
mighty girder
But it shouldnt appear bigger at all
dense dew
Same reason lions have manes
mighty girder
because its a game, and the devs have said size difference isnt going to be a thing. So editing a model to make something appear bigger, is quite frankly stupid
Especially when its shrinking a detail that doesnt need to be shrunk
barren zephyr
thats kinda nit picky i won't lie.
dense dew
It’s such a minute difference why is it such a problem? It’s literally how nature is ...the males of many, many, many, many, many, many species want to appear bigger and tougher to show off and attract the female.
mighty girder
At the end of the day nobody is right or wrong because its visuals
and its always going to be opinions
not every single person has to like the way the games going with it and ya'll shouldnt expect them to
dense dew
We haven’t even seen all the dimorphism they have planned, for all we know they could be planning to make female cerato for example have the bigger crests,
mighty girder
we've seen the difference for that one
its smaller crests
its not like out of the blue theyre going to swap it
dense dew
I’ve seen the morph not the dimorphism, where.
dense dew
Besides, it’s an example.
eternal owl
Why is the difference always smaller crests
barren zephyr
cuz it's the easiest thing to modify
mighty girder
bc muh pretty more detailed male models
dense dew
@eternal owl crests are for display, males are the sex that usually has the display features
mighty girder
and god forbid anyone say anything bc muh realism
dense dew
They aren’t more detailed just have certain features that are larger?
barren zephyr
yeah thats it really
dense dew
That’s not adding detail
mighty girder
you're right its taking from model a to give to model b
which means one is more detailed
tomato tomato
eternal owl
Why can't there be a different detail that's changed?
barren zephyr
there are
dense dew
barren zephyr
delwaps. shape of spikes, general bodyshape.
like scroll up and you'll see an entire floodgate that spilled because of this exact topic
mighty girder
Honestly should only be the crests
barren zephyr
honestly it just give it more life.
mighty girder
Skins were more then enough to tell males from females before
dense dew
I’m sure it will be just the crests in many of the models like dilo
mighty girder
I just hope to god
dense dew
This is just a concept for one Dino
mighty girder
they dont ruin theri
just because one can lay an egg
tickler
its not just one though
its a trend amongst all of them
name one where its been anything different
dense dew
Oh I want male theri to have this under his neck feathers teehee
dense dew
Yes, ew I love it
dense dew
You’ll only see it when he puffs it out.
Literally every design choice in this game serves no purpose other than aesthetics, I love the giga dimorphism
barren zephyr
the whole dimorphism is a balancing act. you get weird crazy shit from males cuz they wanna fuck. but if it's too flashy, they die. and you get females which are objectively more important. cuz hey they gotta shit eggs
mighty girder
Knowing my luck and the trend of the dev team though female theri will just have shorter feathers for a reason nobody understands so it'll look like a sad clipped abused bird
dense dew
If they do, then I won’t argue when you complain, but I highly doubt it. Those long feathers on the neck maybe, but they know if they cut the tail that’s heresay
mighty girder
thats what people want for Ovi
barren zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/702666336714620949/Le_Floof.jpg i mean if we're to go by some trends. males might get a lil bit of plumage on the head or maybe some "wings"
mighty girder
you shouldnt be so surprised bc pretty sure thats whats going to happen
dense dew
Don’t be so sure until we see it
dense dew
They’ve shown like 20% of the Dino’s with dimorphism, so it’s not a big enough sample size to conclude ALL will be like this.
mighty girder
While I'd love for you to be right, the dynamic isn't gonna randomly shift for one dino
barren zephyr
i mean i play female exclusively if i'm say a carnivore. since those colors of male patterning is so limited. plus it's better to not get noticed. eitherway the carnivores are most likely not gonna get anything super glow-tastic
dense dew
You have a right to believe that
mighty girder
Males get prettier colors and more unique models, females get shit colors and models that look like simplified versions of the males. Is what it is, but again, not complaining, because like I said; If they make every female dino ugly as hell I'll just play males.
Already know Im never touching para again
devout falcon
people want shorter tail feathers on ovi cuz they're drastically over sized n look stipid
dense dew
not complaining
Bruh
mighty girder
Giving an opinion doesnt equal complaining
mighty girder
Nah, I'm really not. That person who went full sjw about it was complaining 🤣
barren zephyr
can't deny that
mighty girder
I'm just saying I dislike it and doing my best to explain why, but goodnight.
honest sparrow
I haven't been up to date on my islecord drama, what's all this bout sexual dimorphism
honest sparrow
cool
mighty girder
There's varying levels of love to hate to downright ridiculous sexism cries about dimorphism in the game
tldr
barren zephyr
basically
icy lion
which somehow led to a massive circle jerk and mild homophobia
icy lion
That’s not a Karen, that’s a LGBTABC
There are LOT of lgbqhfjsiegncnaka people that play the isle, it's scary alnost
barren zephyr
oh that.
icy lion
like i said, mild
barren zephyr
moose was it?
icy lion
and tickler yup
oblique dust
honestly I feel like there are some dinosaurs out there that shouldn't be subject to the color highlights/crest/plates/horns/etc. sexual dimorphism deal.
icy lion
generally id like smaller dinos and more herbivores to have larger differences
oblique dust
yes there are plenty of bird species that have some obvious sexual dimorphism going on - especially with colors and visual looks, but that's not the case for all bird species
icy lion
especially looking at birds of prey
oblique dust
yep, they look mostly the same outside of some size differences, if even that
devout falcon
well most females are larger n there are a few with extra display feathers
icy lion
the problem is that we cant have size changes so weve gotta have other types, imo for some dinos the color is enough but its not exactly interesting
oblique dust
maybe they can just give some females a different-looking highlight pattern
barren zephyr
yeah. tbh i get the idea. and i don't think it should be over done. but complaining about the ones we have already because it's "smoother" or whatever tf. kinda dumb but i feel giga. "MAYBE spino" should be the only large carnis touched with the dimorphiso-stick
oblique dust
or some males get 2 highlight colors while females get one
barren zephyr
that would kinda be cool
icy lion
with duller colors id like it, and with dinos with small/minimal detail regions itd make sense to have something "extra"
oblique dust
not gonna lie but some female species really do lose their visual appeal without the highlights.
icy lion
2 highlights would be so cool
female gets the current male (or modified), male gets a smaller one
oblique dust
like imo dilo, trike and diablo look especially bad without them
devout falcon
I don't think make a female or male a little bigger would break the game. Cuz didn't they remove the old weight system?
barren zephyr
yea
icy lion
optionally you could keep the males having bright colors for both highlights too
mighty girder
I feel like something like trike wouldnt even have that much of a difference, even in color
jade schooner
I'd mind it less if it wasn't always just "Female model? here have less detail, uglier colors and less character but you can shit an egg out of your ass!" But like I said before Im probably just gonna give up and only play the male dinos
Cloaca*
mighty girder
they'd just fucking fight over it
devout falcon
all dinosaurs have cloacas
icy lion
yea generally the bigger something is the more mild the dimorphism (generally, natures wild) but design wise its nice to have whats pretty much a canvas with color
imo, of course. i have my fair share of dull trikes
barren zephyr
i just want the dino crisis giga skin back ;-;
icy lion
ive never seen that before, its rad
devout falcon
tbf trike just has a janky skin that's really hard to to making look good
icy lion
trikes back color region is so damn big
devout falcon
ngl I miss the old skin system. I rather have set skins that are interesting than what we have now
mighty girder
same tbh
icy lion
hopefully the revamped customization isnt too low priority
mighty girder
well its higher prio then new dinos at least
or should be since its shared mechanic
icy lion
is it? i haven heard about us getting the new skin system, just the old one
thatd be a nice surprise
jade schooner
the customisation is lower priority than adding new dinos. It's more of a QoL mechanic than an intended gameplay mechanic
mighty girder
Shouldnt be lower
They shouldnt worry about adding any more dinos till all the shared things are in, imo at least
skin customization is def a shared thing
icy lion
id imagine the old color system might be part of the mechanics batch
jade schooner
it's unnecessary for now, since it's more important to make a working ecosystem than making dinos look pretty
icy lion
we havent heard much about the new system (i think) so id imagine its still early in development
barren zephyr
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4vMwe7tZ6Mc/maxresdefault.jpg https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dinocrisis/images/b/bd/Giganotosaurus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100806073940 i will shut up forever if i get this back
mighty girder
"This means nesting, night vision, grouping, diets, and anything else shared among every single dinosaur will be in the game before the roster moves forward with dinosaur implementation."
jade schooner
and of course, working playables
mighty girder
That would include skin customization
icy lion
it might be the old system temporarily though
i guess well see, even if we get the new system i doubt new patterns will be in for a while
oblique dust
tbh I love how the game has so many easter eggs and like, little tributes to popular dino media
so yeah that skin should definitely make a return, along with v1 allo's WWD Big Al skin lol
barren zephyr
DC giga skin is best skin
mighty girder
I used to love that skin, I didn't know it was a reference till it got removed but it's all I'd ever use
Red giga best giga
eternal owl
Btw @barren zephyr I've seen 3 dimorphism concept, stego, para, and Giga. I can't find any others because I only joined this discord a month ago so I can't find any others. Please don't act like I'm ignorant as I've looked but since I'm a little late I can only find 3.
jade schooner
@wooden briar the reason why evrima exist is because the code they had in what's now Legacy wasn't friendly nor was it working well for implementing things. They started by just recoding, but ended up taking the long route to make the game again from scratch. They won't touch on Legacy, since it's basically an old game. Tho evrima is barebones now and in testing process, the game itself should catchup to legacy and out do it. Legacy will stay like it is, the reason why there's more player base there is due to the fact that it's the more familiar and "complete" experience, however faulty. And also because evrima is a beta. And technically a new game. The Isle two: electric boogaloo but you don't have to pay for a second game
wooden briar
isnt legacy also a beta.... it never was released as a finished product yet thousands more play legacy over evrima
actually the whole fanbase is of legacy, not evrima
potent ruin
legacy less workable
lyric cosmos
Why divert resources to a project they are eventually going to drop Evrima over top of - when Evrima is good to go there will be no more legacy. Legacy support is only still up so that we can enjoy what we have until Evrima eventually takes over.
cobalt compass
wow, such intense bs...
note: The Isle is a game were you're meant to have fun, not discuss genderroles taken from RL.
please, so all other people who dont want to be bothered by this, keep your opinions to any politics and other "scientific fields" to yourself
verbal acorn
The dimorphism choices can certainly be more diverse. Though it seems with typical dimorphism males tend to be more ornate. I don’t have an issue with males being more ornate most of the time with dinos exhibiting dimorphism...but I’m open to the idea of that being flipped on its head in some cases.
I’d rather we not choose for ourselves, but instead have it pre-set for each species. I don’t care which Dino has a more ornate or larger male or female...just make it consistent for the species.
languid crown
@wooden briar legacy is a dead end, you can only take it so far until the code just becomes unworkable
jade mango
yeah lmao Legacy's code isn't really workable for the... current team without all the associated references and callbacks and the like
crystal trail
Legacy code is what prevented us from doing anything cool. What a lot of people miss about EVRIMA is that the new code will allow us to do some incredibly cool things that we were completely unable to do before.
winged moon
I've read people saying that sexual dimorphism is like female smaller and weaker than the male. But for many species it's also the opposite !
I'd like to find both kind in the evrima !
marble valley
I think something to keep in mind with the sexual dimorphism is the purpose of it in the natural kingdom. In nature having large and impressive display structures requires more resources which can lead the competing or displaying sex to greater risk of death or injury. As a general rule for vertebrates it is the males who compete for females and therefore require either larger size with which to battle other males, or display structures for woo-ing females. If the game's sexual dimorphism also inlcuded size I would have no issue with carnivores or solitary herbivores having larger females but as for display structures it would not make much sense for the females to possess the display structures as overwhelming females are the 'choosing' sex, opting from the most ideal possible mate. It should also be noted that in herd animals the males are overwhelmingly larger than the females.
While I recognize to an extent some concerns about the player-base viewing females as just 'shaved-down' males, I don't know why from a design standpoint it should make anyone uncomfortable given that in nature that is generally how it appears. In nature it could be argued the female is the most optimized form of the species, while the male is either nearly identical or more focused towards being specialized to a particular task. If you look at bison for example, not only are the females smaller but they also have much smaller shoulder humps, much smaller heads, and reduced musculature. However, they require much less sustenance in order to maintain this bulk and do not need to battle each other during the breeding season, at which point males may be maimed or succumb to injuries. Leading up to the breeding season the males have to consume vast quantities of food in order to be as large and healthy as possible to compete for females, and for this purpose put themselves at a much greater risk and have a form less optimized for general survival and more specialized for competing for mates. It is not that one sex is 'better' than the other in all regards, but rather that they have different goals. The female bison is optimized for general survival and the male is hyper-specialized into competing for the right to breed
bleak atlas
^
cobalt compass
Applause please for @marble valley
👏
lilac swallow
I leave discord for a month and the first thing I see when returning is people going bonkers because male animals look like male animals
Also as melonidas said
cobalt compass
why transfering RL-SJW BS into games, i'll never understand...
lilac swallow
They aren't even humans but dinos, animals
Are you telling me that realistic games like planet zoo is sexist because their male peacocks are shinier thn their females?
cobalt compass
ouhhh, be careful. you're the next target for when they scream "Animals life matters" 
oh yes indeed, absolutly
the whole topic just ridiculous...
lilac swallow
It is
cobalt compass
tbh, the idea getting different sized models is cool, but unefficient. hmm, but if they set for certain species the "weak sex" to a max growth of 0.9, et voila, ther's your sexual dimorphism...
lilac swallow
I don't really like size differences, it's hell to balance
cobalt compass
BuT rEaLiSm, I wAnT ReAl BaLaNcE
if we'd get REAL realism, than there'd be no balance
lucky for us its just a game
vestal rune
well realism isn't even applicaple here since we have little evidence of gender dimorphism in dinos
cobalt compass
even that
vestal rune
imo I see 0 reason for a gender size difference
cobalt compass
aye, it would be just more work with little reward
strange wave
well realism isn't even applicaple here since we have little evidence of gender dimorphism in dinos
@vestal rune well, there is one case
technically not a dinosaur, but pteranodon
vestal rune
ye ik, but pteranodon male is larger
strange wave
the crest too
vestal rune
ye the crest
strange wave
which is the one were getting in game
vestal rune
close relative literally demonstrates the dimorphism we see so often
molten tulip
Imagine hyena-like troodon packs that would be really cool
vernal panther
aardwolf..............😳 🥺
sick girder
I mean, I agree and disagree. While in many animals there is the brighter and bigger male, there is exceptions to the rules. Such as the eclectus parrot, where the males are green to camouflage, but the females are a bright red and blue. I get why people like to conform to the "we do it as in nature" but it would be fun to see the opposite, such as yeah states, with hyena like troodons or maybe eclectus austro Raptors where you expect the usual dimorphiam, but you get the opposite. The Hyenas and the eclectus parrot are just a few examples, there is more animals out there with differing dimorphism and it's usually based in how they evolved / survived at that point. Important questions would always need to arise such as.
Was the Giga Monogamous? To make the Male bigger there could be 2 reasons;
- Has to sexually compete in breeding seasons such as the Bison
- Is the main provider while the female rears the egg and has to ward off competitors to his female and to protect his sprogs.
Now let's play around with this a bit.
If males were to come after a female species that single rises her kids for example, would the female not benefit from being the bulkier one? She needs to provide and defend her offspring, evolution would have devoted the bulkier females.
There is species slightly unrelated to the above mentioned bigger females in; spiders, anglerfish, Hyenas.
So in short, I am all about sexual dimorphism. But maybe dont just copy paste the "Male bigger, Male brighter" on every species. Because real life has some interesting differences there and I'd love to see that. It's not like it's more work either. You are adding Dimorphism anyway. Why not, like Yeah states, Have the female Troodon be flashier / Bulkier to encourage a Hyena like hierarchy. This might work best for smaller/ speedier little dinos. But as mentioned above could work as a good way for bigger ones as well.
(Excuse my typos.... Mobile.)
vestal rune
there should be no stat changes in gender dimorphism
sick girder
Nono absolutely. Just visual.
vestal rune
plus the gender dimorphism is also a gameplay thing, you should be able to tell if an animal is male or female, and having a consistent difference makes that much easier
for example I think that males should always have the brighter pattern colours, maybe females could have bigger display features but at that point those display features seem useless
vernal panther
are larger females most common in reptile species? i know thats often the case for snakes but i dunno about other reptiles,, bc i think itd be cool to see larger females but idunno how the egg/nesting system is gonna be for evrima
vestal rune
no evidence for dinosaurs
pteranodon's males were actually bigger
it likely varied from species to species realistically, but we have no evidence for it
molten tulip
There is species slightly unrelated to the above mentioned bigger females in; spiders, anglerfish, Hyenas.
(Excuse my typos.... Mobile.)
@sick girder
Birds of prey have larger females (owls, eagles, hawks)
sick girder
I feel like that is subjective and something easily learnable. After a bit you would know that, lets take Austro as an example again, the females are flashy. Of a gameplay point, does it really matter? A male and female will know who the opposite sex is, a predator will not care and eat either. So what the harm in mixing it up every now and then. Consistency? It's a fantasy dinosaur game, I think we are allowed a BIT of leeway.
vestal rune
no consistency is for gameplay reasons, not realism reasons
sick girder
(Been an advocate of some of the smaller little ones mixing it up for funs and giggles for a long time haha)
vestal rune
realistically some of the dinosaurs may of had larger/flashier females, but for gameplay reasons I think we should stick with the general idea that males have bigger display features and brighter colours, consider new players
molten tulip
Yeah I just think the concept team should feel free to be creative with it though, like the whole hypsi design they went creative and speculative with and as a result it gave the dino a lot of character and depth
vernal panther
how would larger/flashier females affect gameplay though? i dont think it would, at least not drastically
sorry if youve said this and its been missed
random imp
Is there rrally a suggestion about updating and fixing legacy? Do you think that if it was so simple the devs'd have not tought about it? There is a reason they made the new game, legaxy can't be fixed, or i mean, it could be fixed but after the waste of time you could not update it with new content without crearing tons of bugs, glitches and crashes. Duh
sick girder
I agree to an extent. As long as they are different enough.... that consistent enough no? I dont get how mixing it up would suddenly make the game that much more difficult. You'll need 1 male + 1 female anyway to have the egg. Doea it really matter who is wearing the bright yellow raincoat?
molten tulip
It would be fun to flesh out dino species conceptually, and playing with how sexual dimorphism works speculatively could be fun too
vestal rune
identification, you should be able to identify a male from a female
eh, I just think it would be odd for one dinosaur having the colouring standard reversed
sick girder
Simple. "I male.l, I dull. Look, same species, bright. Female?" Exactly the same way now.
vernal panther
i feel like thats something people would be able to tackle with practice.. and if chats are staying, theres nothing stopping you from asking
molten tulip
I dont see why it needs to be so consistent and clear if there's no stat differences between them
vestal rune
ye I suppose
sick girder
It could add some fun flavour is all we are auggesting
molten tulip
If you see a dino of your species that looks different, even if it's very subtle like a less prominent crest, you automatically know they're opposite sex and I think the only reason you'd need to be able to tell is same species
vernal panther
yeah
sick girder
I agree.
molten tulip
Yeah in a lot of concept art humans just go the human route of "female no crest" for every species they make up and there's a lot of potential lost, we just dont want the same to occur in the isle
vernal panther
again, idk how nesting is gonna go but itd be cool if we got larger females in species that could bear larger nests
vestal rune
no larger females or males
silver zephyr
no size differences because that means stat changes
sick girder
We arent saying everything need reversing, females bright and big only. Just, if you put some thought in some reasons for some dimorphism, it could give the dino more characters and kinda make some stuff fun too
vernal panther
dang 😔
molten tulip
no size differences or stat changes, that just overcomplicated things
sick girder
I agree with no size differences. It was a mere example
molten tulip
there's just subtle differences in models and colors planned
vernal panther
so that means... if somewhere in the future we got snakes..... 🥺
molten tulip
idk probably ai if we ever do
sick girder
They'd all be same sized big nope ropes
vestal rune
although I honestly don't understand the reasoning behind females having brighter colours
vestal rune
I know of 1 species of birds that does it, but that's because the females have harems of males, it's like the genders are reversed
vernal panther
mix it up a little
sick girder
To be honest Merch, neither do some biologists, but it exists out there and could be fun
molten tulip
depends on the species tbh
vestal rune
idk it seems pretty universal that males have larger display features, there are a couple exceptions but they're rare
molten tulip
doesn't mean camouflaged colors have to be dull and ugly, there's some really pretty patterns in nature
vernal panther
i feel like we shouldnt be focusing on realism so much in a game that has feathered raptor species and one.. completely featherless one (not hating, just a funny)
sick girder
Yea, we arent rallying for all the dino females to suddenly be the bright ones Merch. We are asking for a possible one or two exceptions
vestal rune
ye but even without realism, I just don't see any benefit of making an exception of a general rule for some dinosaurs
just adds some complexity for no reason
sick girder
I get how that kind off hurts consistency. But we are playing a game with dinosaurs. Is the rex really gonna care if the diablo he is eating was male or female? Its more for the species players themselvea
vestal rune
I mean ye, it is
molten tulip
so you dont have to ask "are you male" in chat
vestal rune
it's much better if you can tell gender from just looking, rather than having to ask
sick girder
Like I said. If you are dull, the other is bright. It's a bit obvious that it's the opposite gender.
vestal rune
having exceptions to that kinda ruins it
vernal panther
you should. because it should only matter for your species you're playing
dino different than me? must be opposite sex
molten tulip
as I said you'll automatically know if the dino you're looking at is opposite sex if it looks different so it doesn't have to be mega consistent
sick girder
I know we gotta assume consumers are idiots in QA. But.... let's give them a little bit of credit here
vestal rune
and I think it would be a bit confusing if someone picks a dinosaur, expecting bright colours as male, and then only gets dull colours
vernal panther
they can find a diff dino to play /shrug
silver zephyr
idk if this makes sense but a creature like ovi who would steal eggs alot would benefit from knowing right away if it comes across a female dino because that could mean a nest nearby and food
vestal rune
oh ye that too, didn't even think about that
molten tulip
ohh true
sick girder
I dont disagree Fulgore. But in a world where Ovi exists. Would the exeption not thrive and thus be more likely to reproduce?
vestal rune
what?
molten tulip
I'm just suggesting that the concept artists dont fall into the trap of smooth ugly females and pretty males, and to just experiment with their designs more
Doesn't have to mean making everything neon
sick girder
Yea more that
vestal rune
I mean I would like some more interesting gender differences, but imo the consistency of males being brighter with larger displays should be maintained
sick girder
I may have gone a bit too much into the whole, realism thing I feel lol.
molten tulip
Yeah I'm thinking like cardinals
silver zephyr
i think males should always have brighter colors by default than the females so there is always a clear difference. this still means females can still have more prominent features while still being recognizable as a female.
molten tulip
The males are bright red, but the females still have the pretty Crest shape and red beak. What concept artists do is they have the Male cardinal look like a red cardinal, and then the female is a slate colored sparrow
sick girder
I think as long as it's not all cookie cutter; male more fancy, female boring. That's good enough for me
vestal rune
well that's not really how it is, females just lose the extra bright colour pattern
like I imagine females will still have the option to be bright with regular body colours
molten tulip
yeah it shows up in concept art a lot though
where the female looks like a pokemon with armor removed
sick girder
That's what some of us are worried about. That the female will always just be a sad, watered down male.
In looks lol
molten tulip
Imagine a para with just an oval head
vestal rune
oval head?
sick girder
I think Yeah is stating a bit of an extreme example where females paras would not have a crest at all
molten tulip
like no crest
sick girder
its just a dumb round head lmao
molten tulip
like dialga without the armor
vestal rune
oohh
ye that would be dumb
especially considering the crests are used for general communication
molten tulip
silver zephyr
i personally would want all ceratopsian females to have bigger crests or whatever they are called but the males would still keep the brighter colors so you can tell which is which
molten tulip
that would be epic
sick girder
See, I'd dig that a lot
vestal rune
tbh I'd imagine they'd keep frill size the same, frills are a display features but also armour, but idk
molten tulip
depends on what the crest evolved for
cobalt compass
frills do provide protection?
silver zephyr
well they can't change the horns on ceratopsians much so I just thought the frills would be a better option to alter
vestal rune
I mean, I'm quite positive trike's crest is for armour, it's pure bone unlike other ceratopsian's frills
sick girder
It could be that the female had to bellow to get males to flock to her in breeding season, hence, the crest needed to be bigger. (just an example, I know animals like deer / Elk kinda do the opposite, bellowing jerks)
vestal rune
trike doesn't have any sound display features
molten tulip
If its armor I can see females having bigger or at least thicker crests if they raise young alone
sick girder
Like, Cosmetic changes dont always have to mean stat changes dear
vestal rune
although female trike having a bigger nasal area would be interesting
molten tulip
But if they raise it as a herd or something then that may get transferred to the Male if the Male already had the preadaptation to be a defender
all we can do is speculate since we will never see an actual trike
vestal rune
tbh would be interesting if they made them live like elephants
molten tulip
that would be cool
sick girder
In short, we are advocating that, rather than;
- Male Big, male always more special.
We occasionally get the opposite for ya know, some dinos where it could make more sense if you make up a possible reason for it. - Did the Troodons behave like Hyenas? the females would likely be bulkier. (not bigger, more like the current giga)
- Did the Female Trikes rear their kids in Female groups / Alone, make their Nose ridge bulkier so they can bellow for males should they require them.
Just some examples.
molten tulip
tldr dont fall into the male looks like a distinguishable animal, female looks like a potato trap
sick girder
Yes.
Differences in the female potato, can always give the species as a whole more character
languid crown
in reptiles females are often the larger of the two
molten tulip
yeah were not doing stat or size changes tho
molten tulip
just visual distinctions which will largely be concept work
languid crown
im open for females to get buffs when they nest
molten tulip
I remember a study where they were able to find a female rex because it had the ossification on the thigh and hip bones that female birds get, but idk if it was disproven or not
sick girder
Just, out of Curiosity, isn't there the speculation that the size differences found in Fossils is just because they never really stopped growing? And thus, the biggest specimen found are just the oldest?
molten tulip
Probably, but we never see that in vertebrates today I don't think
vestal rune
no I'm quite positive we know the gender of one tyrannosaurus
sick girder
Its just Speculation anyway, but its kinda funny
molten tulip
also we dont have a good way to identify younger and older adults yet so that could be a factor
vestal rune
it had a name but I forgot
molten tulip
isn't it sue
sick girder
Scotty? I dont think the Gender was ever officially confirmed, just speculated to be male
silver zephyr
people probably think sue since she's iconic
molten tulip
All I know is 2 t rex names
cobalt compass
iirc they're 'just'names without the meaning of genders
molten tulip
yeah
languid crown
Karen, really iconic hair even when fossilized
sick girder
We can't ever 100% be sure of the olden time Dinos genders Lol
cobalt compass
aye
vestal rune
I think jane?
sick girder
But they can compare and speculate and in the end, we go with what they say it is I guess.
sick girder
(Like really, who cares if it was male or female? Its a big Ol' Dinosaur.)
vestal rune
I mean it matters alot
silver zephyr
i care
molten tulip
dinosaur stomp and eat people
vestal rune
finding out how different the genders were could be a huge clue to the lifestyle of the animal
sick girder
Fair enough. But We'll never be 100% able to tell sadly. Unless one of you invented Time travel and didnt share it with the class.
molten tulip
I'm sorry ok
silver zephyr
shit I forgot about my time machine
molten tulip
it's not my fault that dinosaurs were actually covered in fur and had leathery noses
and had whiskers
vestal rune
wait it was B-rex
molten tulip
and had headhair which they styled in many different ways
vestal rune
so we managed to confirm that B-rex is actually a female
molten tulip
actually the one I saw in my time machine was Male and they had an alucard haircut
silver zephyr
vestal rune
also iirc we found an oviraptor that was female I think
silver zephyr
should we move to another channel to talk about this?
vestal rune
maybe
silver zephyr
this sounds like a paleotalk thing to me
molten tulip
yeah we went off topic
vestal rune
@bleak atlas elders are a core mechanic so they'll actually be coming relatively soon
vestal rune
no they should be adding it before any dinosaurs are added
bleak atlas
Otherwise there will be elder utahs and tenontos everywhere and they wouldnt be that special
bleak atlas
But Perks wouldnt be special
vestal rune
yes they will
bleak atlas
If they wait longer, it will be better
vestal rune
no it won't
if they wait longer they'll have to create a shiton of models and animations all at once
bleak atlas
Would be stupid to release them that early
vestal rune
much better to start now
it isn't stupid though
it's a core mechanic required for a proper gameplay loop
bleak atlas
Bo they just release the elders as an big updates
bleak atlas
The models and animations should be made with the creatures, just not released untill we have all or most creatures ig
vestal rune
ye but even then they'll still have to implement the system for a huge number of dinosaurs, which will probably lead to bugs
bleak atlas
The Game needs Elders but not now. Now it doesnt need them
mental sleet
If elders are added now, you get a few bugs.
If elders are added in 2-3 months, you get a fuckton of bugs.
cobalt compass
adding them "one-by-on" is easier for bugfixing
bleak atlas
Still the bugs will be fixed after a couple of weeks. That not a problem. They should be added later
mental sleet
It's a big waste of time to implement them later
vestal rune
no the game needs them NOW the game has crippling gameplay issues which elders solve
mental sleet
to then spend the next two weeks fixing bugs
vestal rune
and there's literally no reason not to add them now
mental sleet
that woulve already been fixed had it been pushed out earlier
bleak atlas
If you add them with every creature perks will be way easier to farm for early creatures whats an unfair advantage
vestal rune
what?
bleak atlas
UtahsI will get perks easy. Lategame creatures like Apexes way harder whats unfair
vestal rune
getting perks as apexes is meant to be harder though? apexes are stronger that's the tradeoff
bleak atlas
Still unfair
mental sleet
Getting perks as any sizeable animal is going to be difficult.
vestal rune
it's not unfair though
bleak atlas
It should be harder, but not unfair
mental sleet
And it won't be unfair ?
mental sleet
You seem to think every single player on the server will have maxed-out dinosaurs by the time more are added.
If that becomes the case then you have a much bigger problem that just ''it's unfair''
vestal rune
even if everyone does get maxed out dinosaurs, they can just wipe the server?
mental sleet
Having to wipe for every new dinosaur is not a good way to go with it
That gives people the impression that you have to use wipes to get rid of problems.
And not actually try to fix them.
mental sleet
Temporarily.
bleak atlas
I dont think you will be maxed out. There will be just less creatures, means its easier to grow and get to elder, means you will have it easier
mental sleet
But if the root of the problem is still there, you are just cucking people who had to work for their perks.
vestal rune
I'm assuming his point is that if there's only 2 dinosaurs then everyone will get elder on every dinosaur very quickly
perks*
mental sleet
It should be difficult enough to where that doesn't happen.
vestal rune
I don't think that getting a maxed out utah will be that hard
bleak atlas
If it deletes the perks then getting elders early will be great
mental sleet
Fire, think about it.
You are an elder, physically different from other Utahs
during a short time you are strong, tough, and then you are weaker.
And everybody knows what you want to do once you become an elder.
You will be targetted by other animals, and killed.
vestal rune
I mean utah is still faster than most animals
mental sleet
You will have a harder time finding food and fighting off threats.
bleak atlas
Elders arent my problem, perks are
mental sleet
perks aren't going to be a problem if the elder process is hard enough.
vestal rune
the only animal faster than it is carno but it cucks it with its better agility
oh actually galli
bleak atlas
If they delete perks with ne batches it isnt a problem for me anymore
Now to my suggestion
How would you like elderai?
vestal rune
eh I think elders should be a player thing
bleak atlas
With an random amount of perks, random perks and an random elder state
Also when normal ai can have with a little chance perks
vestal rune
well perks seem to be mostly QoL based so I don't see any reason to give AI's perks
cobalt compass
when the time has come, as part of a herd, maybe as an alpha, but no perks
vestal rune
no this is about AI
cobalt compass
to become self one
vestal rune
elder hooman
cobalt compass
Elder Tribals
warped garden
I agree with that person about grasslands, I miss maps like terra vitae, the current map is nice but variety would be good (though I know the current map is just a portion of a whole)
ashen elm
Yes more biomes would be very niche.
Coastal Mangroves, Semi-Arid Shrublands, and Savanna grassland would all spice the island up.
They could also serve different niches with Mangroves giving a safe haven for smaller semi-aquatics, dry areas with shrub-lands being harsh but habitable by fast or hardy animals, and a Savanna biome offer greater rewards/nutrition for larger herbivores instead of hiding in jungles.
Also it's possible/realistic if you consider Hawaii's climate and biome diveristy
bleak atlas
@narrow rover should be a 50/50 chance to win. Make a mistake and you lose. Counts for both
languid crown
50/50 chance total, not necessarily in combat, as trike can't initiate on rex
bleak atlas
On 1vs1 is should be that one that makes the first mistake will lose probably
jade schooner
50/50 chance total, not necessarily in combat, as trike can't initiate on rex
@languid crown who said trikes can't initiate?
languid crown
They can't hunt down rexes,
jade schooner
hunting down doesn't mean starting a fight
bleak atlas
Rex and trike only fight if they need too. A trike most likely win a 1vs1, but against 2 rexes it will lose. If the rex can come behind a trike it wins if not it loses. A solo rex only has one chance probably
Also if a trikes sees a rex it will go defensive. It will not attack, but on that point rex probably lost
narrow rover
@bleak atlas You're making valid point's and that's what i wanted to point out via my feedback post. Nothing to add. Like you said and i'll say it again. Rex cannot bite 1 time fully grown trike and game over if they are both on "stand point seeing each other".
languid crown
Rex is an ambush predator, if it lands its ambush it gets an advantage in the fight, if it doesnt the trike should get the advantage,
narrow rover
valid point @languid crown
languid crown
its also really good at tracking things down, so that should be taken into account when balancing things out
bleak atlas
I totaly agree with Griz. Get the ambush from behind as rex and you win most likely, dont get it and you lose most likely if you fight
languid crown
dondi was saying something similiar in his qna in January
lucid mauve
I wish they tuned down the apexes, so they would be more interactive with other dinos. A pack of allos/carnos/suchos etc could kill you. Would be more fun to play as an apex and other dinos.
vast wolf
apexes will be locked to an extent by gameplay. we just don't know how yet.
lucid mauve
Yea, but you also need to have apexes. If not you gonna see a ton of suchos walking everywhere lol
vast wolf
thats what ai is for partly.
people will still be able to get apexes we just don't know how the devs plan to limit them.
cobalt compass
i can imagine being a rex juvi and thrown into evrima could be pretty harsh with AI-Utahs etc
so this could play out as a limiter
random imp
and once herbies are more interesting to play, there will be a bit of diversity
instead of all going carni, like it's right now, because of the more " gameplay diversity"
bleak atlas
They want an good functioning ecosystem. So they need to bring 70% of the players to play Herbi. So Herbigameplay must improve drastically
mental sleet
You'll never get 70% of the players playing herbivore, that's why you have AI.
cobalt compass
you need to get them play 95% non-apex
mental sleet
Not necessary if the apexes get their actual difficulty back.
cobalt compass
yea, and a decent herb playerbase would be pretty neat... but ppl...
mental sleet
People play the games they way they like them, it's just that carnivore gameplay is more attractive to most people.
silver zephyr
people play carnivores and apexes mostly because they like the idea of being the big bad who destroy most people
cobalt compass
yep, sadly
oblique dust
I'm sure I'll get flack for this but I do think some defensive herbivores like trike, anky, stego, cama, etc should definitely be able to get the ability to land 2-shot or even one-shot kills on certain carnivores if they time their attacks properly after reaching a certain health threshold. especially those that have legendary "rivalries" with specific predators like trike-rex, allo-stego, giga-sauropods, etc.
if only because it makes herbivores look more interesting/badass to new players.
also there are too many fucking carnivores on servers anyway, so I honestly don't feel bad if certain herbivore species have an easier time culling their numbers.
is it balanced? no. but at this point the game is pretty unbalanced on all levels, so fuck it, it would be interesting to gather people's feedback either way, for actual balance changes down the line
actually scrap everything I just said because I just remembered the shantpocalypse, nevermind I'm an idiot.
vestal rune
after reaching a certain health threshold?
echo bridge
the amount of what diet players are won't matter once AI is in to fill the gaps, so making it certain that encounters that should be survivable are survivable is more important
whether that means running or fighting depends on the animal
eternal owl
Unfun, that would work really well with ceratopsians, and suchlike, because their main defense is staying in one place and attacking, so this would make sense that the lower the health, the more aggressive and desperate they would get. With smaller ornithopod dinosaurs, like gallimimus, they could have an speed boost if they get low on health. Maybe to make this a little bit less op, it could be countered a little bit by bleed or venom. Not totally neutralised, but enough to keep it balanced
languid crown
Herbivores need to either have the ability to kill their attacker in one hit, wound them to the extent that hunting is no longer possible or be able to flee
On-top of this herbivores need ways to defend their young, right now there's nearly nothing a tenonto/ tenonto herd can do if Utah's are attacking their juvis
jade schooner
@barren zephyr those sizes are outdated
barren zephyr
@jade schooner That’s sad. I kinda called it but still sad
solar iron
@eternal owl injured animals dont gain extra strength but loose it. The whole idea should be forgotten.
cobalt compass
a quick burst of adrenalin that equally uses the stam up... so that after escaping you're pretty worn down to the nare minimum of your existence and the feeling "oohhh fuck that was close"
im talking about a few seconds, not a minute or more
solar iron
@cobalt compass thats much better. It should work for Both carni and herbi but only if you should escape. This kind of mechanics should not be offensive
cobalt compass
yep, maybe add a blurred tunnelvision
solar iron
Yes. A nice Visual addition
@languid crown thats the way it works. Carnis usually attack the weakest. Big herbis use the strategy to grow so large to avoid predation. As a herbi you have 3 goal in all of your life:1 survive, 2: eat troughout your whole life, 3: make sure to nest as soon as possible
cobalt compass
i can see this form of escape"bonus" given to small one like hypsi and homalo when they see, actual fow and eyesight of a threat, but everytime it costs you for a few minutes more food and water as a "exsaustion"
solar iron
@cobalt compass sounds good
cobalt compass
so if you dont want to starve you get tf out of this situations
but foilage should break that line of sight and its hitbox should cover from the upper tips of the leaves to the bottom all way down. so you can see them but arent sure if its truely there so thy instinct doesnt kick off and you have to get your ass yourself out there
hmm, better as "just" the line of sight would be some kind of low zoom to pinpoint a threat, but said zoom would use either a portion of stam or had a cooldown
cobalt compass
@solar iron that was IK back than, it will be back when they fixed it
solar iron
@cobalt compass tnx
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr thats way outdated and just unnecessary
tyrannosaurus is the larger predator these days
giga is slightly longer but way lighter, they are pretty much the same height.
Giga: 7-8.2 tons on the largest specimen, Rex 8-9 tons on the largest specimens.
The length is 13.2m vs 12.6 meters iirc
an accurate size scale between the two
upview
barren zephyr
basically rex always fattest
strange wave
tf
barren zephyr
verbal acorn
What was the purpose for all the extra torso bulk on Rex? Is that a female with extra space for eggs? Fat stores, lung capacity(though I’m not sure if reptile/bird lungs would benefit the same way as mammalian lungs). Just bigger organs? Would there be any benefit to increased muscle mass and strengths due to a large thoracic cavity?
It doesn’t look like Rex has extra volume for leg muscles. Does the angle of the caudal bone(I think that is angled down and back from the pelvis) provide a benefit over a Gigas? Is it for speed, power?
Giga looks like me in my late 20s....Rex looks like me now in my 40s...I’m not faster, I’m stronger in some ways, but certainly lack the endurance to really put it to work well.
jade schooner
It seems to be a trend, like in other animals like birds of prey, where the female is larger
abstract lark
Yeah i think dilo should have a claw, kick, grapple attack's probably at least one
bleak atlas
No pls not
solar iron
@verbal acorn some study says the Rex maybe used its extra bulk in fights against big prey to overpover them
vast wolf
that makes sense. rex used its own weight to overpower prey. i can see that.
solar iron
@jade schooner most recent studies shows that its an outdated theory in case of theropods
solar iron
Since its main prey were slow moving tanks, it didnt need to be fast but strong and heavy
Its teeth are made for piercing trough bones.
Engineered against armored prey
vast wolf
rexes fastest prey would have been edmontosaurus pachycephalosaurus ornithomimus and a few oviraptorsaurs with triceratops being common and anky just being a bad idea.
solar iron
@vast wolf more or less as u say
vast wolf
eh im just good at guessing somewhat.
bleak atlas
@vast wolf for a solo rex an trike would have been a bad idea too lol
vast wolf
if you cant get past the trikes frill/head you aren't killing it.
solar iron
@jade schooner most modern studies show that it can barely distinguish male and female species based on their size. Even in many cases, age was not the best point of reference because it was discovered that the size and growth of individuals probably depended most on how well they lived in appropriate conditions and how successful a hunter was, what quality the animal ate. The sizes of the older specimens were not proportionally larger in all cases compared to the younger ones, nor were the females larger only if they were able to grow larger under the above conditions. These were published in the spring of 2020
jade schooner
thank you for the clarification <3
vast wolf
only rex confirmed to be female was found with skin impressions that has some kind of egg making tissue. not sure on the specific's and as far as we know she was a young adult.
not 100% sure on that.
solar iron
@bleak atlas modern carnis use the same tactic as the dinos. Picking the weakest, sick or old as prey. Carnis rarely attack the strongest opponents because it can be a fatal choice. Its always a rule. Rex can kill a full grown trike but of course it could end the other way trike didnt used the "tactic of survival" to grow sauropod size but to be tough and grow intimidating and dangerous horns and a shield like frill
bleak atlas
Rex didnt attack trike in 1vs1, because it was so easy to die, it only attacked it if had too. Today we know rexes hunted in groups so they most likely separated an weak trike from an herd and killed it together. Anky was probably easier to hunt in an group
solar iron
Dinos not just exist from nowhere but live in an ecosystem. If there is an animal a carni will evolve to specialize its body to be able to kill it with ease. And prey animals try to evolve new features to specialize against predation
Its a neverending evolutionary war
bleak atlas
Thats how evolution works
solar iron
@bleak atlas agreed with the only attacked if it had to. But such big carnis need a lot of food and it isnt wise to share the food in an environment where resources are scarse. Thats why they Say rexes were teritorial and grouped up only for mating. Lived more like a modern tiger instead of lions in herd
vast wolf
at most is put rex in a small family group when they matured they left to form their own family.
bleak atlas
Newly studies showed that
they grouped up
Idk if that changed in the last year
vast wolf
maybe 2-6 individuals.
bleak atlas
@vast wolf this
vast wolf
from what i remember that was alberto where there was a bonebed of 20+ animals found.
solar iron
There are evidences for Both theories today. Neither is entirely sure.
bleak atlas
2-6 animals where enough to separate an trike from the herd and two to kill it
solar iron
Smaller tyrannosaurus (for example the alberto) were most likeli formed family groups
bleak atlas
Still a solorex attacking an trikes wasnt likely
solar iron
But they were a lot lighter and needed less food/individuals
vestal rune
well don't modern predators not tend to attack adult healthy animals? don't they try to single out younger/older/weaker animals?
solar iron
@bleak atlas only if necesary
bleak atlas
Yeah
solar iron
@vestal rune thats wut i said
vestal rune
oh I didn't see that part
solar iron
Np
vast wolf
rexes preferred prey. edmonto - pachy - trike - anky.
bleak atlas
It was when the rex ambushed trike and could get behind it was a win most likely
If it couldnt get behind it was most likely a win for trike
jade schooner
it's like comparing lions and tigers. One forms hierarchic groups, the other are more solitary
bleak atlas
That doesnt mean rex didnt made family groups
jade schooner
it doesn't discard it, but it could limit the size of the groups depending on their behaviour, needs, diet, etc
(diet I mean prey preference)
vast wolf
mostly adults and juveniles.
jade schooner
I mean more like species tracked. Animals do learn, and some get better at using certain strategies and hunting certain prey
bleak atlas
3-6 are enough to hunt trikes in herds
jade schooner
the approach will always pick on whoever's the easiest prey
Does anyone have a proper updated size comparison between triceratops and Tyrannosaurus? (and also isle's version comparison)
solar iron
Dont forget about the other ceratopsians! In the day of rexes one of the most common animals were ceratopsians and trike was the biggest. Rex has body features that shows it specialized against ceratopsians and anky like armored prey. A full grown trike is surely a challenge but it doesnt need to attack the biggest for a meal. It holds the most risk even if its possible to kill it alone.
@jade schooner agreed
@jade schooner trike were 6-8 tonns as far as i know. Its main advantage against Rex were that the center of its weight were close to the ground. Because of this, it cannot be pushed up easily
Basically the same weightclass as rex
jade schooner
Because in the end, the best strategy for Rex, wether it's one or more, is to tire the trike, avoid the horns, grip it and hurt it until it gets too tired to do something more. It's a slow death, but that's not rare in the real world. Happens more often than one thinks
solar iron
Happens often
jade schooner
Specially since rex bite is so powerful, it's like getting a bit of flesh ripped off, as a person, or any thinking creature, either you try to run away or use your energy to fight back and damage your attacker until it's discouraged to attack you.
In the end is whatever strategy works best. Some Rex groups (or loners) could've specialised on big game hunting like trikes, and be successful. Other's would've opted on things like Ankylosaurus, Edmonto, so on and so forth
solar iron
@jade schooner the extra bulk of Rex also much likeli served well for grip and tiring out until it can be finished
@jade schooner also depends of the rexs hunting teritory's wildlife
jade schooner
exactly
solar iron
But absolutely agreed
cobalt compass
people want sex-dimorphs -> devs working on them and giving 1st impressions -> ppl complaining about dinos having now different looks in the gender
🎩👌
well played players....
cobalt compass
i know, pls reread my post
cobalt compass
ppl are the problem, not devs doing their community a favor
np
its just extremly exhausting to read this unesucated posts over and over and over in hope for some fresh ones...
my dearest condolences to the persons that have to read them on a workbase...
barren zephyr
^
torn thistle
@weary plover @inner orbit @thorny crag Remember to chat in here when discussing Feedback stuff
inner orbit
Ok
thorny crag
oh yea forgot where i was in sry
imo scaling growth can be done right if apexes still stay being the longest growth and small dinos growing fast - there would be servers where you can grow a full rex in 5 minutes and some where it takes 5 hours and more. official should be hardest setting and longest growth
having diversity is very good
night mountain
I mean, that whole writeup is basically stuff thats going to happen, aside from us not knowing juvi speeds
icy lion
<@&401466542140817419> weve got a clown in feedback, love yall
cobalt compass
@fallen folio thats a prime trait of babies and juveniles, "child scheme"
digital grove
yeah children just naturally have large eyes, i dont think thats so unrealistic
fallen folio
large eyes yes....bulging out of their sockets...no
vestal rune
don't all eyes bulge out their sockets though?
pale sorrel
@barren zephyr I would love that so much!!
slate marlin
@edgy hamlet devs have said over and over that the 50 player limit was just for testing and that the maximum player count will rise over time
edgy hamlet
Oh thank god lol
crystal trail
@edgy hamlet It's one of those things where it's super easy to raise, but it's better for the servers to start small as it's significantly harder to justify lowering a server cap to your playerbase than it is in comparison to raising one.
That way we're covered when major issues arise.
Raise the slots when we know the servers can handle it.
pale sorrel
@inner orbit Yeah I agree, that would be nice... being able to mud-slide down a hill into a lake...
inner orbit
@pale sorrel it would make for quick movement and a penguin style aesthetic I recommend it on feedback
I think it’s a nice idea
languid crown
yeah, would make it alot of fun, make some cool escapes aswell
inner orbit
Yeah
languid crown
image sliding away from a utah only to end up in the mouth of a deino
inner orbit
Animators get on doing this now
Beipiasaurus better have it as making escapes as a therizino/penguin hybrid would be hard
Yes people would do that
cobalt compass
finish line is the deino's maw
inner orbit
Yes
inner orbit
Yes
slate marlin
that Beipi belly sliding suggestion has lots of potential lol
inner orbit
I know it’s a fun/funny Idea
cobalt compass
@barren zephyr
why should Deino have a mating call?
cobalt compass
primarly used for longrange communication of mating search
that are low amp vibrations that can travel serveal km to find others or possible mates
mighty girder
@cobalt compass In game it can be used as an in water threaten
game doesnt directly mirror real life, and would make sense for deino to have a water unique threaten since its meant to spend majority of time in water
cobalt compass
🤔 hmm...
yeah that been said, as a game element yes
I just mentioned that its not an actual threat display
cobalt compass
if we go further, why not as an ability?
the low fequency resonates in the head of other non-deinos and causes a screen shake/blur with a hempering or slowdown so deino gets a extrachance for deathroll or like that. any drinking or swimming dino would be affected. as you swim trough the swamp and a deino in reasonable distance uses this threat ability, you would be slowed down for a few seconds and your view blurres like standing on a vibrating plate, as a visual sign that you are confused...
your opinion, @mighty girder?
mighty girder
That would be pointless
if something is swimming you just go and bite it
you dont need to stun it, you just drag it down
Same with drinking tbh, They seem to want Deino's whole thing to be ambush
giving it something like that makes it not an ambush, you know whats happening and thus have time to react vs. something lunging out of the water and dragging you in stam battle style
cobalt compass
i think ppl wont play it the way its supposed to, like always...
mighty girder
Probably not but that ability doesnt make any sense to me personally. I think it works great as a threaten, the older you are the more the water moves or such would be a cool touch and a nod to deinos original niche too
I dont think its needed in game at all personally, just thinking of how it could work if added
cobalt compass
mhm, i was just playin mindgames but in the end most ideas are... aimless thoughts...?
gloomy goblet
k
severe idol
To be in accordance with Rule 6, your name has been altered @gloomy goblet.
gloomy goblet
epik
barren zephyr
@open ravine Kentrosaurus is already being added
barren zephyr
open ravine
Epic i always liked this dino so i thought why not make a suggestion and maybe it will get put in, nice to know it is getting in though 🙂
pale sorrel
Yeah that's true 🙂
pale sorrel
@inner orbit Nice! Would the Carnotaurus have that ability too? It is a meat eating BULL after all... 😛
inner orbit
@pale sorrel I would like it and I hope the devs do to
pale sorrel
Yes
jade schooner
Carnotaurus is a hunter, chasing and ambush, the winding thing is a warning, a defensive manoeuvre used by herbivores holding their ground to let a potential threat know they're gonna attack if they step a little closer. So no, it wouldn't fit.
crimson phoenix
i feel like the deino water vibration would be good for broadcast, since its irl counterpart is for long distance communication
vast wolf
@pure hamlet your computers resolution is too large for the default that is set atm. press down then enter and if see if that works. its some sort of button combination to get it to select then you have to fix it in setting the same way.
brittle ivy
@thorny crag Unfortunately, vids and screens would eat up the drive’s storage, so links are required.
thorny crag
aww ok
mental sleet
Yikers looks like we aren't doing a good enough job.
sand oar
faint crane
Not your fault, you are not thousands
We, public players, are breaking everything
The problem is, people will leave evrima if too buggy and not attractive with fancy creatures and big teeth
So no one will test it except few QA
So, the bugs will be harder to fix like that, it could take eons
simple wagon
My opinion isn't about "Attacking the QA team" It's about let the players find the bugs. Also QA can help with pointing out the most game breaking bugs and prioritising them
mental sleet
That's... what we do.
simple wagon
You are too small of a team
mental sleet
You don't even know how many we are.
simple wagon
how many 200 people ?
faint crane
It seems that you're not enough
Because when the build is fine for you, and devs release the patches
hundreds of players find new bugs and problems
Because... They are hundreds
It's not ''doing a good job'' related
sand oar
They dont even know how much we found and fixed already.
mental sleet
I mean, I guess it makes sense from his point of view, with how much shit escapes or shows up when a patch is pushed out it does look like not much is going on.
simple wagon
and then people are finding more and more a lot of them being major
why not leave the community to find the problems which will actually be positive for their interaction with the progress of the game, while you decide which bugs should be prioritised.
and exactly, this is my point of view, from my experience
tawdry crow
No. Community QA is terrible.
It's tried and tested and failed.
Sometimes we have to make sacrifices and release builds with bugs. QA picked up on the grazing one you mentioned in particular but we wanted to get this out to the public as soon as possible.
cobalt compass
there're bugs that even the dedicatest of QA tester dont find...
tawdry crow
A lot of the bugs that do make it to the public branch are known issues. We just send it to you guys anyway because guess what? You opted into a beta version of the game.
And we know how anxious people are to see the game updated.
The pros outweigh the negatives in this instance vastly.
cobalt compass
sry to bother you hypno, but i did send you a msg
tawdry crow
@simple wagon See the above.
We already have the QA team vetting the community reports through a spreadsheet. Everything that gets reported is looked at by them.
rare axle
I feel like you guys could probably do better with a bigger number of QA ppl but idk
tawdry crow
We have just shy of 30 members atm.
But I'm constantly expanding the team when needed.
I'll probably be expanding it again soon so that we can do proper stress testing without having to invite extras.
faint crane
Well, i will wait few more weeks / months to see if that works Hypno
I still have faith in you all
simple wagon
Thanks for the infromation Hypno, I didn't know that QA actually looked through the community bug reports.
One of my main concerns are about the number of qa. I mean the more people, the better.
tawdry crow
There's a lot of things that you won't know about the team until you join it.
simple wagon
And I want to specify again, my comment is from my point of view as a user. It is not meant to be as an attack towards the QA team
yeah
tawdry crow
I can understand that. Perhaps in future I'll have a list of known issues publicly available.
We'll see.
simple wagon
That would be nice actually, but I don't know how much time it can actually eat up
tawdry crow
That being said, if you're interested in a position on the team then send me a DM and I'll add you to my list.
simple wagon
maybe in the future when I finish my exam session
I am also up for the idea learning more about what the current qa is doing and probaby posting some more news about it
also thanks again for your time and responses
btw I have one more question
how many hours a week QA is playing the game
sand oar
QA never ends.
simple wagon
I mean average each week, how much of your time is consumed
sand oar
Thats a question for Hypno
cobalt compass
i think he means, like a work order or shift plan
simple wagon
I meant like working hours. How many working hours a week is for an Isle QA
For example when I worked as qa in CA. I had to cover 40 hours a week + sometimes had to cover bonus hours.
keen crypt
Should at least be 50 people imo, at least a full server. The official servers go completely wack when near full capacity so having a test environment similar to that may help
sand oar
I know what you mean but thats a question for Hypno to answer.
cobalt compass
Ravenous told me once its voluntary, so one could assume, what you can get for free time
ashen elm
@inner orbit You reply to posts here and not in the feedback channel.
But I don't think they meant it's a bad parent, just that they don't take care of their young the way the birds/some dinosaurs do aka incubating with their own body. They bury their nests.
inner orbit
@ashen elm they do cover their nests with vegetation and will remove and add layers to incubate the youngbut I would argue that crocodiles look after their young better protecting them for quite a while even a female crocodile that is not the parent of hatchlings will respond to their calls and protect them.They also carry them around in their mouths carefully and on their backs and protect them from predators but penguins are better parents.The deinosuchus should also be like this
ashen elm
Hmm ok, point on them managing their nests, then I will add Dienosuchus to the list of animals that this system would apply to.
But I would like you to comment on the main idea. Do you think a system like this would be good to add?
inner orbit
@ashen elm Yes definitely
ashen elm
Alright, thanks for the reply! I know the devs have stated nests would be getting some changes in terms of functions, stats and skins iirc, but some extra TLC from the parents should be rewarded I think.
inner orbit
I think that living baby carrying should be in
inner orbit
@crystal trail I have a question
warped garden
that deino is adorable
barren zephyr
@inner orbit can ye stop reposting your suggestion every 2 mins, don't think thats really allowed
inner orbit
Sorry I kept on revising it
icy lion
edit the post, dont replace it
barren zephyr
thats fine just ^
silver zephyr
wrong channel
inner orbit
Sorry
silver zephyr
no worries
jovial vine
@dreamy wharf combat for tentos is getting reworked with and updated moveset and CC attacks are also coming
dreamy wharf
Figured those were simply just redone animations, not actual changes.
Source?
Pretty sure it’s the same messages I’m thinking of, but, not too sure if it was further explained anywhere else.
jovial vine
It’s all experimentation but I hope it works out