Demon Ava is Bork’s idea where it thrives on anything it can find, including smaller animals
#general-feedback-discussion
honest sparrow
vestal rune
no there'd be other mountain animals, like utahs
chrome adder
I want to see a Ptera living a pachy
vestal rune
I want utahs and pachys to live in mountains
left nacelle
I want to see a Petra living a pachy
@chrome adder
chrome adder
I mean a Pachy would just annihilate a Ptera
And a Pachy is the wanted mountain animal
honest sparrow
Utah seems to be a island wide predator
zenith onyx
and warthog ava wouldn't work either because they are scrapping dryo burrows and burrows in general i believe
honest sparrow
Nope
left nacelle
What do burrows have to with that?
honest sparrow
Dryo burrow is still a thing
left nacelle
And no burrows aren't being scrapped
zenith onyx
i heard so but it might have been wrong idk
left nacelle
They're just deciding whether burrows would fit better on an animal other than dryo
chrome adder
I think Kissen just thought about scrapping Dryo burrows, but the idea got abandoned
left nacelle
There was never anything said about it being abandoned
chrome adder
But there will be other burrowing animals confirmed
icy lion
proto would be nice to have tortoise holes but in terms of regular burrows, maybe homalo?
honest sparrow
The main problem people have with Ava being able to burrow is Porto’s existence
left nacelle
Porto?
chrome adder
And maybe one day we will get modular burrows, people are pushing for it
left nacelle
Oh Proto?
honest sparrow
Ye
left nacelle
Yeah Proto would be better for burrowing imo. Much smaller
chrome adder
And it technically could use its head to close the burrow as some animals today do it
honest sparrow
Eh they can both possibly make different burrows imo
zenith onyx
ava will be alot bigger in the recode, it will actually be a meal and if its digging burrows, we'll have the same problems we have today with people waiting outside the burrows until they com eout
chrome adder
There will be way less cheeze strats in the recode so this might change
zenith onyx
burrowing ava is not needed
chrome adder
Nobody knows how the game will feel
icy lion
since when was ava getting upsized?
honest sparrow
Ava burrows would be shallower and easier to expose, and would only fit an Ava, proto burrows would be harder and Proto would be like a wombat that can squish entering predators heads against the roof of the burrow and would be able to fit more things than just a proto
zenith onyx
sense it was released that alot of the dinos are going to be bigger
honest sparrow
Or smaller
zenith onyx
some smaller like utah
honest sparrow
Basically max irl sizes
zenith onyx
yeah
honest sparrow
Make Ava good at running, being able to escape into a burrow or gore smaller animals
Make proto a communal burrower that relies on being in the burrow and can defend the burrow by blocking the entrance
Easy profit
worn token
If there were ever to be a semi aquatic herbivore it would have to be a big strong herbivore, think about how hippos and crocs live basically, If the animal were any smaller than the deino It would destroy the whole "aquatic" part because if they started to swim in the water and the deino found them they are DEAD but on the other hand with hippos who are bigger than crocs its not just a "boom ur dead" the adults have to protect their babies so that keeps their population lower since crocs do their baby killing job
zenith onyx
ava should be run away from most things, but i hope atleast it will be able to defend itself against animals like utah, troodon, and ceratos. otherwise, ava playable will not be fun at all
chrome adder
Sounds really interesting Pteranodon
left nacelle
@worn token Then.... why does Beipiao exist? 
honest sparrow
Agile Herbies and big Herbies can both work in an aquatic environment
worn token
Idk I have a feeling that the beip is gonna die alot in water just my imo
left nacelle
I doubt it
honest sparrow
Beipi is probably far more agile the deino
chrome adder
They are much more agile than a Deino and honestly not worth the effort
left nacelle
They're really small and probably fast in water and they wouldn't give much food to an adult deino so they probably won't be hunted by adult deinos too much
worn token
unless they are able to swim away faster or maybe "jump and fly" for a few seconds out of the water they will die miserably to a full grown deino
zenith onyx
i think ava needs to be semi aquatic so it can surviva most things, most things won't dare go in the water when dienosuchus is released. Make ava a somewhat fast swimmer so things leave it be.
and so it can generally survive
left nacelle
Why would deino go after a beipiao? That's like a rex going after a compy
honest sparrow
Beipi is a duck
left nacelle
It isn't worth the effort
chrome adder
I don’t think Beipi will be able to fly
left nacelle
It won't lol
zenith onyx
i wonder if theri could fly with all its feathers
worn token
but that just makes no sense, no records of ceratopsians are "semi aquatic" and they aren't that agile considering their body shape it would look wrong
zenith onyx
prob not
left nacelle
Absolutely not
honest sparrow
No
chrome adder
Theri is way to heavy
honest sparrow
Koreacerstops is the only aquatic ceratopsian that makes sense
left nacelle
@worn token There's also no records of spinosaurus running underwater like a hippo
zenith onyx
what's a kore?
honest sparrow
Since it actually has a fish tail
left nacelle
Koreaceratops
worn token
that looks like a giant taco lol
honest sparrow
An actual water taco
zenith onyx
htat's practicully a proto without its tail quills
left nacelle
Well yeah... they're both ceratopsians, makes sense they'd look similar. Proto's head is a different shape tho
Looks closer to psittaco imo tho
honest sparrow
Notice how a capybara is relatively streamlined for its build
zenith onyx
htat's almost exactly how proto looks, just with tail quills, why add a dino that would look alot like proto, it would waste time and money to add it too'
ava is getting updated too so
we don't know what they have in store for ava
honest sparrow
Yeah a thing with a horn and frills ain’t gonna deal with drag that well
left nacelle
Doesn't matter how they look, as long as they're unique
zenith onyx
in the future
left nacelle
Beipiao looks a lot like theri
chrome adder
Cause they are closely related
zenith onyx
And ava doesn't have to go underwater per say to get away, just faster then dilo or utah sized predators
on the surface
left nacelle
Or you could make it faster than them on land. Or let it defend itself
chrome adder
But it still is a nice snack for a wandering Deino..
honest sparrow
Just make Ava go faster than dilo in a dead sprint and be able to hide in a burrow or in the undergrowth against Utah
Also sucho, bary, and Austro exist
left nacelle
And deino
chrome adder
I think the best way to make Ava interesting to make it good at camouflage and possibly body smaller carnivores
zenith onyx
well, one adaptation opens it up to ohter perdators, it would just be safer from land predators, with literally ever other dino being a predator almost.
chrome adder
And probably good at short distance sprinting as well, yeah
left nacelle
Can't get far away if you aren't very fast
honest sparrow
Track it down
zenith onyx
if semi aquatic doesn't help ava, then it needs to be a long distance runner so it can atleast escape.
or make it tankier
honest sparrow
Hold on
chrome adder
Ava is perfectly made for the dense jungle
honest sparrow
And thus the cycle comes full circle
chrome adder
No fast distance running is not helpful if it can be caught by most things or just be tracked down. I think it should be hard to track down, good at camouflage and be able to make a fast get-away
zenith onyx
good lord, it wouldn't unless it was a LONG DISTANCE runner
honest sparrow
It could probably run and hide
chrome adder
^
good lord, it wouldn't unless it was a LONG DISTANCE runner
No it would just be caught by Utah or Dilo
And you can’t make it faster then everything and make it run longer then everything
zenith onyx
but it is being upgraded in size it will be a heafty target now for utahs and dilos in the future
honest sparrow
Make it relatively fast
Everything else is getting faster
So why not Ava
Hefty target?
left nacelle
And make it tanky and give it the ability to properly defend itself
Let it knock over utahs and run
chrome adder
A good Utah can kill a tenonto, so an ava shouldn’t be a problem
zenith onyx
if ava is only fast, then it won't survive, it needs to be to run fast and for long periods of time like utahs and dilos so it can actually escape them
not be an easy snack for htem
eternal owl
@woven horizon about the acro thing from yesterday, the reason why it's torso is so large is because of its vertabrae spines, which are assumed to have had a hump, so making it smaller would result in something that wouldnt really be an acrocanthosaurus, but just any other theropod
chrome adder
No tanky would just make it slower and an easy target for larger carnivores
honest sparrow
Which is why burrows and cover should work well
left nacelle
@chrome adder Being tanky has nothing to do with speed
zenith onyx
i didn't say tanky
chrome adder
How do you get more health, by being thin?
zenith onyx
diablo is tanky for things like allos and ceratos and its still very fast
honest sparrow
It could outrun slower carnis, outstam most fairly fast dinos, and hide in the thick cover or burrow for protection
left nacelle
You don't need to make it bigger to give it more health
chrome adder
Yeah, but not faster than a Utah
left nacelle
It'll probably have more health in the recode anyway
honest sparrow
Exactly, that’s why cover and burrows would help it
chrome adder
You don't need to make it bigger to give it more health
More health won’t save it from a more faster and nimble opponent
honest sparrow
You just fucking dip out when the Utah notices yet
zenith onyx
yeah, i just said that the ava could be a bit tankier so that if it doesn't outrun the utahs and dilos in a short burst of speed, it can atleast defend itself and give utahs and dilos a hard time
left nacelle
@chrome adder But I didn't say to just make it tanky, I said other stuff to
chrome adder
But your ideas negate each other
left nacelle
I also said to give it the ability to defend itself
chrome adder
We are not creating a second superman who can do everything
left nacelle
I never said we were
chrome adder
Than you have a dibble
left nacelle
No we don't
chrome adder
How?
left nacelle
I never said let it one shot utahs
honest sparrow
Challenging a dilo or a utah would be very stupid
chrome adder
So a sized down dibble
zenith onyx
okay, how about this? hippo is super large but is lightening fast when running, ava in the isle could be the same way, and same for diablo as well'
chrome adder
To what size do you want to inflate it to?
left nacelle
No, Alpha. Just let survive a few hits and let it stagger things so it can get away
chrome adder
You cannot give it more health then it should realistically have without consequences
left nacelle
I never said anything about inflating its size wtf
honest sparrow
Hippos are extremely dense, which gives them reverse buoyancy
chrome adder
That was more for Kai
zenith onyx
don't make me look up vids on hippos running, i never said it would be huge, just a bit bigger, more fresh adult utah instead of full adult
left nacelle
Oh, my bad
worn token
Brachi wouldnt be a bad semi aquatic
zenith onyx
and it would have consequences like being slower if more health is added.
left nacelle
Yes it would be @worn token
chrome adder
I know how hippos work, but they would have to be significantly larger than it’s to just body them
*the avas
zenith onyx
i never said, "body them" just give a good fight. make atleast utahs second guess themselves when facing a good ava player
chrome adder
zenith onyx
ava doesn't have to be a beast
worn token
I still dont see a semi aquatic ceratopsian its just not appealing to the eye honestly,
zenith onyx
ava is around the size of a utah when updated, so it will be bigger and more of a tank
left nacelle
There are no carnivores the size of a hippo tho. it wouldn't win cause it doesn't need to be adapted for that stuff
zenith onyx
so it could face a utah after trying to run away first
chrome adder
Read again what I said
eternal owl
What would make a good amphibious herbivore
chrome adder
Maybe some hadrosaurs?
eternal owl
Well koreaceratops is a psittaco clone
left nacelle
It's literally a semi-aquatic ceratopsian
zenith onyx
okay do you what kills more people in africa then lions? ding ding hippos is the answer
zenith onyx
hippos are left alone most of hte time by lions
chrome adder
okay do you what kills more people in africa then lions? ding ding hippos is the answer
How does that effect what I said?
eternal owl
I never said that, I just said in game it would have similar stats
left nacelle
Similar stats, different lifestyle
zenith onyx
only is south africe during the dry season when the lions are starvign do they actually attack hippos
chrome adder
Because lions ARE MUCH smaller
zenith onyx
and hippos have teeth as long as your arms
chrome adder
It has are ABOUT THE SIZE of an Ava
eternal owl
Yeah, that would mean you'd have to replace the taco with a koreaceratops
chrome adder
Why am I repeating myself
zenith onyx
that kills a lion if impaled
left nacelle
Not really
worn token
A long necked dinosaur with thicker hide and more adaptability to grab and eat food from around those water filled areas while also being able to protect itself and not just be a floating snack for a big ass deino
chrome adder
Kai read again what I said. The comparison between lion and Utah in regards of an Ava is ludicrous
worn token
tf is an Ava gonna do when a deino starts wimming up to it
chrome adder
^
woven horizon
@eternal owl I mean the torso area, then it would lead downwards and larger to meat the size of the pelvis area
eternal owl
Ok, let me rephrase my first question. What in game or soon to be added Dino would be a good semi-aquatic herbivore
worn token
Long necked dinosaur would be ideal for semi aquatic
chrome adder
A hadrosaur
zenith onyx
okay, guys i never said ava would fight dieno if it got attacked by one, a dieno is gonna one shot a utah and so its gonna one shot an ava
chrome adder
Ouranousaurus
left nacelle
I think Beipiao is good enough. It's an omni but it's gonna be mostly eating plants. Close enough to herbi
zenith onyx
and ava is not going to be hippo sized, it will just be bigger and so a harder target for utahs to take down
eternal owl
@eternal owl I mean the torso area, then it would lead downwards and larger to meat the size of the pelvis area
@woven horizon I don't really know what you mean but let's say you won the argument cuz I dont want to take the time and check the acro model
chrome adder
zenith onyx
and avas attack is going up so it will dish out more dmge
woven horizon
I wouldn’t call this an argument but okay
chrome adder
Still not enough to kill a more nimble Utah
woven horizon
I’ll try to get a picture for it to be easier to understand
I might have phrased it wrong
eternal owl
Wait, didn't they say the Tenonto was going to have to eat a species of swamp plant
eternal owl
Oh
worn token
Lets put this into a perspective a lot of you aren't seeing, Ceratopsians AREN'T built for swimming, it would also be helpless in the water, so at that point why TF would you wanna go in the water like thats so stupid I
zenith onyx
do you think ava should be able to kill a utah? i think so. But it should never have to if it runs and hides.
chrome adder
But Ouranou would stand a chance against Deino and could easily survive in the swamp. And it actually lived in such an environment irl
zenith onyx
look in suggestions if you want ava to not be a semi aqautic, erased form existence, ava avadentally is not wanted as SEMI AQUATIC. god.
chrome adder
@zenith onyx I meticulously tried to explain you why a Utah would easily kill an Ava and as I’m tired of repeating myself I will stop this debate and refuse to further comment on this
eternal owl
Kai at least you didn't suggest a Cerato clone
zenith onyx
that doesn't help lol
chrome adder
But what are your thoughts on Ouranou?
eternal owl
At least you had a sort of original idea then I guess
chrome adder
Yeah you’re right with that
eternal owl
Wouldn't an Ouranou be super similar to a Maia?
covert birch
Ourano is tiny
chrome adder
Idk, you could make it different more tanky
covert birch
Like, magy sized iirc
eternal owl
I'm just asking
chrome adder
Was it?
worn token
Ourano..I understand if it was semi aquatic to the point it just stood at the shore to eat but then its not even semi aquatic
Semi aquatic means it USES the water
eternal owl
Ooh Ouranou was a small little boy that's cool
chrome adder
It could eat water plants
And just graze there and run away when a larger carnivore approaches
covert birch
Ehh
chrome adder
A bit like a combination of gazelles and hippos
eternal owl
When I picture an Ouranou I see it wading along in shallow water, grazing reeds or some such
chrome adder
Same 😄
covert birch
As a wader it can work
but personally prefer wading plateosaurus
woven horizon
I know it wouldn't make too much of a difference but this is the best I could do with a mouse
covert birch
what
chrome adder
Idk about wading plateau :/
left nacelle
@woven horizon Where would it's stomach go?
worn token
So in this case as I've said before the only reasonably thing I've seen for semi aquatic is a long necked dinosaur who can actually reach the bottom with its legs and not just float there, just imagine, a horse is rather similar to the Ouranou, can you just imagine it flailing around in the water? Its not reasonable
chrome adder
Why, it could dive like a smaller Spino i imagine
woven horizon
Now I'm the person who doesn't understand
If this is what I think you mean the stomach just got a bit smaller
worn token
How big is the Plat
covert birch
Like personally not many midtier aquatic herbis work
Without doing something that will prolly look somewhat silly
Plateo is bigger than allo
eternal owl
Wasn't the whole point of plateo's stance and neck was to reach higher
covert birch
at least 1400 kg larger
left nacelle
What I mean is, it's body wouldn't randomly curve in like that. Things go into that area @woven horizon
chrome adder
About the size of Ouranou
chrome adder
About 4m tall
zenith onyx
why is everybody against ava's? I mean what's wrong with ava being able to defend it'self?
covert birch
Ava shouldnt be able to fight a cerato kai
worn token
honestly I feel brachi would make a good semi aquatic and I've said it before a lot but its just the only thing I see working
chrome adder
zenith onyx
who said it couldn't? in the recode?
covert birch
Nor tank a shitton of utahs who are literally just as large
woven horizon
I mean it would be a good way to not have that much weight while running that fast
zenith onyx
you saying. hmm taht so convincing
left nacelle
Current stats don't matter Perzurewrath, it probably won't have the same speed when it's reworked
chrome adder
^
covert birch
Kai, a cerato is almost 2x larger than ava
Thats like saying idk a compy should be able to fight a velo
zenith onyx
diablo is a beast that takes on suchos and rexes
covert birch
Diablo is quite oversized atm
zenith onyx
ava is going to be bigger in the recode
covert birch
and current stats dont matter
Ava will barely be any larger
like 200 kg increase iirc
Ava should be able to fight off a singular utah at best
Any more should be quite the unfair fight
zenith onyx
barely? not barely unless you have a chart on how it will be then and how big it is now, there's no evidence it can't be larger
woven horizon
It's either it gets skinnier or it gets nerfed, but I don't think it should get nerfed because it's pretty balance with the stamina being so small and taking a long time to regain
chrome adder
covert birch
Kai, maximum realistic estimates are confirmed
The max ava is not much larger then ingame ava
chrome adder
Real sizes
zenith onyx
ava should atleast be able to fend off two utahs
covert birch
No
chrome adder
That can definitely kill a Cerato
zenith onyx
no?
covert birch
What alpha
chrome adder
Look at the picture don’t you see it?
covert birch
Ok 1000kg cerato vs 600 kg ava
Ava has horns which dont even face the animal properly
left nacelle
@woven horizon Acro isn't balanced at all right now
covert birch
hes talkin to me kai
zenith onyx
IM TALKING TO YOU BOTH
chrome adder
That giant monster can easily kill a cerato
covert birch
"giant monster"
worn token
ur asking for a fucking buff Ava in the isle the ava is like the chihuahua of dinosaurs is that what u want wtf
woven horizon
It's balanced in my view because of the stamina is so bad
zenith onyx
i didn't say kill cerato, jsut fight a cerato and hurt it
chrome adder
Sigh.. Blue ever heard of irony
covert birch
In this discord its hard to tell sometimes
left nacelle
But in the current game, it isn't balanced at all. It's getting stat changes. It's a sandbox animal. It hasn't been balanced for like two years at least @woven horizon
covert birch
Cuz you see some real crazy shit
chrome adder
I tried to be extra over the top😅
covert birch
Also kai, ava should at best just run from a cerato
chrome adder
Yeah true
chrome adder
^
eternal owl
Wasn't there an idea of a symbiotic relationship between burrowers and Avas?
chrome adder
My point the whole time blue
woven horizon
I see your point, but I would like it to be a fast apex with terrible stam and damage not as good as other apexes. I like a unique apex
left nacelle
Acro isn't an apex tho
woven horizon
And I think a lot of other people would
covert birch
Acro is sucho sized at best
left nacelle
Plus Giga is a fast apex
covert birch
bit heavier
left nacelle
Acro is psuedo apex
eternal owl
Also I have no idea how it can be half a tier, but there you go
woven horizon
But don't take everything I say, don't shape the dinosaur how I would want it
chrome adder
Small? Acro is almost as big as a Giga
covert birch
What
covert birch
Acros like a good 1.5 tons smaller
eternal owl
A Giga is 2 tons heavier
chrome adder
I’m talking about science rn. The numbers in the game may change
zenith onyx
okay, so if the ava is going to be in teh recode be about the size of a utah or a mono, shouldn't it have a good health read, so htat if doesn't escape, it can atleast fight for its life? maybe 100n of bite? warthogs are the same size as this thing and most animals leave warthogs alone, ava could the same sort of play style, runs away at the first sight of danger but if cornered, fights like bitch and doesn't give up.
chrome adder
Giga was like 2 m longer
woven horizon
I know but acros had strong legs
left nacelle
Yeah, weight doesn't determine speed. Hippos are pretty fucking fast and they're giant
covert birch
Kai, thats a shitton of animals
When cornered theyll go insane but prefer running
left nacelle
Warthogs are much smaller than ava, KAI
woven horizon
A lot of apexes had strong legs and not as heavy as other dinosaurs, making it faster than most other apexes in game
zenith onyx
look up warthogs today, right now dude, im sorry but i know how big warthogs can get
covert birch
but again, ava should at least hold up to a singular utah at least if players are of equal skill
Your thinking of boars
they get massive
but they dont get .5 tons massive iirc
zenith onyx
oh sorry
chrome adder
But Ava is way small then Utah
covert birch
ava is larger alpha
At least in weight
Just let it go toe to toe with a utah and itll work fine
chrome adder
In weight maybe, but look at the pic form Wikipedia I posted about Ava
covert birch
Yes its short in stature, like many ceratopsids
chrome adder
That’s accurate
eternal owl
Ava in weight to size ratio is kinda like a hippo
covert birch
Its heavy but not tall
left nacelle
Warthogs are only 150kg at most
chrome adder
It’s half as tall as a human and a Utah is taller than a human
zenith onyx
ava should atleast be able to hold of two to three utahs, its unfair if one utah can take on a ava and get an easy win, make it somewhat of a challenge, and utah is gonna be a bit smaller while ava is getting bigger, so it will be harder to deal with. two utahs atleast
covert birch
Height isnt as important as ya would belive
Especially when ya got face armor and spikes
What kai
eternal owl
Maybe an Ava can headbutt the legs of a utah, making it fall over, so it can run away
covert birch
2-3 is already too much
chrome adder
It’s a more extreme Velo vs protoceratops basically
left nacelle
KAI, Tenonto won't even be able to take on 2 or 3 utahs easily
zenith onyx
i don't give a crap about tenonto right now, ava should atleast take on two utahs, otherwise it is not fair for the ava player
covert birch
why
chrome adder
Tell me what will win
covert birch
How is that not fair
daring bramble
jfc that difference
covert birch
Using numbers as an argument isnt a good one
eternal owl
Alpha a human is taller than a pit bull but if we fought one what would win?
chrome adder
It’s like an Elefant vs a buffalo
zenith onyx
how is it not fair? in real life, utahs usually lived in packs of two to three members, they ate prey about the size of protoceratops and avaceratops, and had a hard time fighting them.
eternal owl
Height isn't everything l, plus the Utah is bipedal so of course it looks bigger
chrome adder
But the human isn’t a dangerous killer
covert birch
personally prefer docs charts since yaknow
They are actually side to side
Kai, the whole pack thing with raptors didnt happen irl
They were solitary animals
especially utah
chrome adder
And look at where the horns are directed, it couldn’t even do lethal damage to a Utah
covert birch
The whole footprints thing was prolly just scavenging
woven horizon
I think that if this is in alpha's favor it could make one run and maybe loose against two
chrome adder
We all know the isle Utah isn’t accurate xD
covert birch
It aint, but kai seems to be using realism as an argument
zenith onyx
what's wrong with realism? taht's what teh isle is based on except animals like hypos and nueros
left nacelle
It really isn't KAI
covert birch
Look, using numbers n such saying
Oh 1 ava is fucked if it meets 2 utahs uh oh
is applicable to most situtaions
Should we buff trike since its fucked if it meets 2 rexs?
Should we buff maia since its fucked if it meets 2 carnos?
left nacelle
The Isle is realistic from a biological standpoint, not a paleological one
covert birch
Just cuz opponents have numbers = loss of herbi
Doesnt mean it should be buffed
chrome adder
Welp I’m gonna go to bed, I’ll let you continue the Hundred Years’ War xD
covert birch
hell its applicable the other way around
Rex meets two trikes
Uh oh lets buff rexs since its fucked if that happens
There is no actual reasoning to have ava need to fight more then 1 utah other than the thing that applies to literally all matchups of same tier animals
zenith onyx
oh my god, ava needs to be stronger it can't even fight a utah, one bite kills it, im just saying it needs to be stronger, i never said it had to win fights against two utahs, im saying it will put up a good fight against two utahs, NEVER SAID IT HAD TO WIN.
👀
covert birch
What
left nacelle
One bite from a utah doesn't kill an ava currently
zenith onyx
from a full adult utah yes it does
covert birch
"ava should atleast take on two utahs, otherwise it is not fair for the ava player"
The term take generally means the ava would win
left nacelle
And you did say it had to win fights against 2 utahs. Multiple times
No it doesn't KAI
It's like 3-4 bites
covert birch
Bleed, blue
covert birch
Ava ai constantly spin in circles so they bleed out
zenith onyx
And you did say it had to win fights against 2 utahs. Multiple times
@left nacelle never said win, stop putting words in my mouth i nvr said
left nacelle
Well still it techincally doesn't kill ava. It's just that ava runs around
worn token
kai no buff suggestions either way
so at this when nobody gives a fuck about what ur saying why do u keep talking
zenith onyx
that's all i want
covert birch
but i dont think it should be able to fight off 2 utahs proper
Unless the utahs are dumbasses
zenith onyx
like most are
covert birch
True
neat beacon
I just think we should stop giving buffs based on stuff we don't even know yet. We dont know how strong utah will be in the recode either, but we can estimate probably the same as right now
Still, we shouldn't give buff or nerf suggestions based on dinosaurs we don't know what perks will get
covert birch
I mean ava along with the rest of ceratopsids are getting a buff with locational damage and collision comin
zenith onyx
that doesn't mean really anything. utah will just push ava over like its nothing, i just hope ava is atleast stronger/more health or dmge output. but literally only 6% of isle players like ava so who knows if they will get a GOOD buff.
covert birch
What
Idk how ava will get pushed over
Like if a utah pounces an ava (and the ava was wary of its presence) I can see a similar thing happening to the whole trike thing
Where it gets pushed
left nacelle
And since when do 6% of players like ava
covert birch
maybe not as far ofc but still
left nacelle
It's more like 40%
zenith onyx
not even 10% @left nacelle, not that many people like ava or there would be lots of changes for ava in the future, as of now for ava, all we know is that it's going to be bigger.
covert birch
Most people ik like ava
left nacelle
Yeah same
The amount of people that like an animal doesn't dictate how many changes it gets
zenith onyx
how many exactly like ava? three maybe
covert birch
Just cuz they dont actively change an animals stats doesnt mean that animal isnt popular
zenith onyx
the animal is hardly popular because of its stats
its only popular right now because people like being chased,
left nacelle
Amount of people playing it =/= Popular
zenith onyx
but when they have grown the dino, not jsut gone ona sandbox to play as it
neat beacon
Bruh i like playin ava
left nacelle
Tons of people like theri. But I barely ever see theri in game
covert birch
Ava, a sandbox animal who has shit stats just b/c is sandbox
isnt played much due to the fact that its still a sandbox animal so it has mediocre stats
covert birch
Hell player avas dont have the same stats as ai ones
same with oros n velos players
zenith onyx
hell that;s a lie
zenith onyx
it has the same stats
neat beacon
Kai what??
zenith onyx
as the ai
covert birch
it doesnt
neat beacon
Have you played Ava?
covert birch
Lets look at velo
covert birch
A player velo takes about 30 bites to kill an ai velo
But like 10 to kill another player velo
Ava has less of one but still has a difference
Same with oro
and tacos dont even deal damage
neat beacon
Kai, don't suggest things about the current game
it's all gonna be changed in 10 days
covert birch
Let people suggest as they please
zenith onyx
i didn't suggest anything about the current game....
covert birch
You kinda did?
zenith onyx
jsut how the ava could be in teh FUTURE
neat beacon
Well lets wait until ava is actually put into the game
You can suggest things about its play style
left nacelle
Well that's what the original suggestion was
neat beacon
but basing damage off of things in game currently are gonna change
left nacelle
The suggestion was originally for an aquatic ava
But the conversation slowly changed to this
and then KAI full on changed the suggestion
covert birch
Personally feel a more interesting aquatic animal would be like wader plateo, stupendemys, atopdentatus, etc
left nacelle
Beipi on it's own will be interesting, since it's mostly herbivorous
chrome adder
Sorry I’m back cause I remembered the perfect comparison between Utah and Ava in real life
Size comparison fits. The warthog is just a bit less beefy than a boar, but I assume a boar would produce the same result
And I advice the Ava to take the same road as the Warthog and invest in running and hiding
covert birch
Not much of a good comparison since avas are heavier than utah and well lions arent lighter than warthogs
chrome adder
I think the Utah is about heavier
covert birch
620 kg ava vs 500 kg utah
livid niche
cape buffalo is only 100kg lighter than ava, perhaps that'd be more comparable?
chrome adder
So the animal of the size of a large pig ways as much as a car
livid niche
smol chonky buffalo
covert birch
Plateo the literal allo sized twig is 3.4 tons
chrome adder
Then Ava would be heavier than a mile crocodile
chrome adder
Well but Nile croc is about the length of an Ava, but ava would be double the weight
livid niche
masses vary between different kinds of animal groups, mammals, reptiles etc
covert birch
^
chrome adder
True
covert birch
also lolong was double avas length
livid niche
dw the heavy ava put me off for a second to then I recalled that
covert birch
1100 kg 6 meter lolong vs 600 kg 3 meter ava
also remember this is like max sizes
So they will be larger than prolly expected
vast wolf
current game balance is not going to matter in 3-7days.
covert birch
yep
chrome adder
But then again crocs are to heavy to have their legs under their body
So maybe a croc is bad for measurement
covert birch
No reptilian has legs directly under their body
They come outa the side
then go down
hell even birds are the same
covert birch
I was talkin bout pillar errect with the no animals go straight down leg wise
covert birch
The chart you literally just sent says dinosaurs are erect, not pillar erect
Anyways
Before we go into plaeotalk n get yeeted by mdos
chrome adder
I was talking about sprawling which is what crocs do
covert birch
yes, i only understood that now
chrome adder
So they can support more weight by muscle power without crushing their own legs
So I as a non expert say that the numbers for Ava might be a bit lower than some expectations
covert birch
I mean, many size estimates are prolly somewhat exaggerated
cough cough 20 ton spino
chrome adder
covert birch
But yea imo ava vs utah should be more of a 50/50 (if players are equal skill)
Mainly depending on how quick ava can get to facing the utah and if it doesnt get ambushed
chrome adder
Well I looked it up and a wild boar is exactly the same size as an Ava and a boar weighs about 100 kilo, so I’d say 250 kilo max
vestal rune
utah's getting a size decrease right?
covert birch
Filipe said its going to 700 kg
And gonna prolly get smaller
covert birch
I mean, the chart i sent also uses max estimates
And some ingame ones such as tenos
add this beaut
Make ava that
chrome adder
True again, but I think the size estimates might be a bit off, even from scientists, IDK
zenith onyx
that would be amazing for ava
chrome adder
Not that controversial swine
covert birch
Whether off or not, thats like current max size
zenith onyx
to be taht size
vestal rune
aren't ava and diablo practically the same size?
vestal rune
oh I'm actually happy for that
covert birch
During a discussion in general for it he said "dont touch my potato"
Combined with the thing on stream with deino
Pushes the whole prolly wont shrink
chrome adder
But Dibble also looks more fit at fighting than an Ava with its downward pointing horns
covert birch
I mean ava can just look up and its horns face the opponent
vestal rune
why do people think downard pointing horns make ava a bad combatant?
it's still horns
chrome adder
Only if the opponent is the same size as ava
zenith onyx
downwards horns still doesn't mean it can't seriouly cut you up and hurt you
covert birch
Downwards horns dont = bad fighter
Literally just life your head up and charge
Youll do plenty damage
chrome adder
It can’t reach you, but it may cut your leg
covert birch
avas horns are already at a utahs chest
Lifting its head up will hurt
chrome adder
But the nose horn makes it impossible for anything to come to close to the big horns
covert birch
Just have ava be a more flighty herbi
But when it comes to stuff its size it can fight if needed
But generally isnt
chrome adder
covert birch
Alpha, you think that will play a role in a game?
An attack is still an attack
also ingame ava doesnt have a proper nosehorn
vestal rune
ava doesn't hava nose horn?
zenith onyx
yes true indeed
covert birch
nope
chrome adder
Than that’s no Ava
zenith onyx
oo that's a cool ava skin
covert birch
its ava without a nosehorn
chrome adder
It’s the avas hornless cousin
covert birch
hell recently i think ava doesnt even have an ose horn
vestal rune
maybe to make it's model more unique from trike?
zenith onyx
and hte horns are barley curved down anyway, it can still gore you with them
vestal rune
ye I think the nose horn may of been speculative
chrome adder
But yeah I retract my statement that makes a lot more sense
ye I think the nose horn may of been speculative
Exactly
So I agree now that an Ava could actually hurt you.
And if we take into consideration that Ceratopsians probably used their horns like wildebeests and not like rhinos it foulendem some decent damage
covert birch
Ava with bite attack also wen
vestal rune
realistically ceratopsian horns would likely of been just for display
chrome adder
But probably still only to a Utah’s legs I guess, so don’t let it catch you
covert birch
I mean again
just raise your head and itll hit the utahs chest and gore it well
vestal rune
also ava could totally hurt the utah's body
covert birch
Head def no tho
Utah vs ava is like trike vs rex
But the ceratopsid is the heavier one now
chrome adder
They did some tests and the nose would shatter from a frontal attack, but by swinging the head sideways you could inflict a lot of damage
covert birch
Nope
vestal rune
oh wait irl?
vestal rune
doesn't trike reach like 9 tons?
chrome adder
But the Utah is (hopefully) not so dumm to just stand there and let the ava destroy its legs or just bit into the skull from the front
chrome adder
You have to bite behind the shield
chrome adder
And avoid the horns
covert birch
which it either jumps over the ava to do or ambushes it
vestal rune
lmao I went to google about trike's size and the quick answer included "eaten by tyrannosaurus"
chrome adder
Ambush it
left nacelle
Ava would look ridiculous going just a tad slower than galli
covert birch
oof
chrome adder
Well nice that we settled that I have to sleep, it’s 3 am here xD
chrome adder
Good night guys!
vestal rune
I mean wikipedia said it could reach 12, but I think it listed spino as 20 tons once
covert birch
lol
zenith onyx
why does it feel like my suggestion are generally feared and hated... lol
covert birch
what
Just cuz people disagree with the fact you think ava should be at almost galli speed doesnt mean ya suggestions are hated
Like, animation wise it would look quite maddening
left nacelle
Ava's animation already looks like it's at it's limit speed wise
zenith onyx
every suggestion i've made so far are disliked, except like 2 suggestions out of all of htem.
animations are being changed too
vestal rune
well for one you're basing this suggestion around the current stats, which is a terrible idea
covert birch
Yes many dinos are being made faster
But animation wise there are limits with how fast something can go without looking dumb
Most quad animals fall there
magy being a great example
It running faster than allo would look crazy
zenith onyx
magy doesn't look stupid
covert birch
yes thats b/c it dont outrun allo
vestal rune
ye but magy's run isn't faster than allo is it
zenith onyx
yes taht too'
covert birch
if magys run was faster than allo
it would look quite silly
zenith onyx
what do you guys think would be great running/fighting style for ava?
besides die to every lone utah easy
covert birch
Or ya know'
vestal rune
you know the reason it dies to every lone utah rn is because it's not balanced for survival and is just fodder for food right?
covert birch
^
strange wave
omnivorous ava eating juvies
zenith onyx
rn, im talking about future evrima updating ava
covert birch
future ava to utah should be like trike to rex
Depends on whether its ambushed and how fast it gets a defense going
Anything larger than utah it runs from
Flighty herbi who can fight if needed
left nacelle
Two utahs = Most likely dead ava. Two avas = Most likely dead utah
left nacelle
We don't know
covert birch
Cant say anything bout stats
vestal rune
we don't know anything about stats yet
covert birch
^
vestal rune
that's why people dislike when you put stats in your suggestions
they're meaningless
zenith onyx
so then stop shooting my ideas down then, future possible stats for ava, it will still be much slower then the future utah in evrima
and weaker
covert birch
YOu cant give future stats to ava
if we dont know how everythings stats work
Its like saying you should increase pounces damage without knowing how much damage it does
zenith onyx
i never said i was giving out stats, i gave a suggestion for possible states, not saying "hey these are set in stone"
vestal rune
tbh it would be kinda cool if ava couldn't kill utah, but rather it had bb(a reworked version better then the current one), and could break the utah's leg than run away
vestal rune
how come?
zenith onyx
that would prob work better then what i suggested
covert birch
Not a fan of being a cripple ingame
zenith onyx
ima delete mine
vestal rune
ye maybe ava's should be very short, so it allows it to escape but wouldn't annoy the utah
covert birch
Even if reworked, dont think bb is a good mechanic, at least for something like ava who would prolly deal good bleed too
zenith onyx
lol carni's deserve to be crippled. the herb doesn't want to be eaten
vestal rune
I definetally think there should be some sort of injury debuff system
covert birch
oh ofc
left nacelle
That can also be abused
covert birch
but like
Not on all animals imo
left nacelle
If an ava just keeps breaking a utahs bone over and over
zenith onyx
lol ava couldn't really abuse bb though, it would only work on anyhting smaller then it and that's it
covert birch
If anything it would be a pachy v carno situation
left nacelle
It isn't? That's how it sounded
vestal rune
I think every animal should be able to inflict minor debuffs, so there's a downside to getting into fights
covert birch
yes minor debuffs work
But bb specifically imo should stay reserved for some animals
High bleed for others
Extreme CC for others
etc with whatever else they add
vestal rune
ye that works
covert birch
Ava specifcally fits either the CC or bleed imo
vestal rune
ye high bleed would also work for the whole attack and run thing
covert birch
yea, especially with stam drainin bleed
in the old dossiers ava also had some attack deflect thing
Could also work well https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/6/6c/Avaceratops_Dossier_The_Isle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170425190015
zenith onyx
if avaceratops is upgraded to this size and does what the combat notes sides says it does, i will love ava even more
strange wave
ava bout to parry a fool and stab them to death
frosty igloo
Nice
wintry cipher
@potent sparrow there's a menu tab on the right for each server that shows a discord link/connect button if they have one when you're in the server selection menus.
potent sparrow
@wintry cipher kewl, is that tab for other info as well? such as inputting rules? and can this be accessed in-game after you've already entered? ye what KAI said
wintry cipher
not after youve entered. only before
potent sparrow
:/
wintry cipher
and they can put some info there but i havent seen it used much
potent sparrow
It's kind of important they allow us to open it in-game really
nobody wants to log out then log back in to do that
so hopefully they do that
i've modified the suggestion
strange wave
@zenith onyx utah and dilo weigh nearly twice as much as quetz, its not picking them up, ever, and if its alive pick up people will use it to troll and just be overall dicks
zenith onyx
it will there will be cons to trying to pick up dinos
read the suggestion againt o fully understand what i said
eternal owl
@woven horizon I know you said not to tell you why, but the reason why not is: Charchar is a Giga clone
woven horizon
That’s kind of why I said that I doubted it, there are some differences like agility but you’re basically right
Carchar is basically a worse giga
cobalt compass
@pulsar lake that was said by dondi as he wants it to be a gamefeature that you cant uncheck in server options, since it'd be a core mechanic
yay so hopefully no more assriding
pulsar lake
I know
But
in the stream
Collision look to be disableled
So
I still prefer to ask
pulsar lake
Quick turn will probably be not an option
Because it's a keyboard command
But collision
cobalt compass
col is the base for combat
if done right, w/o collision you cant hurt anyone
you got a clip of that?
random imp
in the editor several features are missing, because they are useless for the work Amarok have to do. he has to work on AI behaviour, not collisions
so i think that is the reason why there is no collision set up in the stream
vestal hound
He said that colissions are on and the models clip because you can't make colissions that precise without tanking the whole performance.
Things like Tail and Headbending are currently not in, that worses the clipping happening in the stream.
sand oar
Why the people think collision arent in? Because the Head and Tail Clipping trough? yea, they supposed to bend like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMCnb6C4FMA .
It seems that collision are only on the main body (CapsuleComponent) right now where ist the problem? you still cant run trough him.
vestal hound
people don't understand that the clipping =/= colission
turbid glade
was there a suggestion that you can place nest on stones?
wraith breach
Omg that tail collision is amazing
I didnt know if any game have done collision this perfect
vestal hound
sadly we have to wait a bit for it to come into the game, I think it is part of the ik system? Either that or I haven't seen it yet in the dev screent
neat beacon
@wintry cipher Tbh I love that idea
wraith breach
Oh ye i know what clipping is
Collisions ofc different than clippin
But sometimes i forget to use clipping word 😁
vestal hound
@barren zephyr that will probably be part of the emote system dondi mentioned in a steam. It will be implemented down the road
left nacelle
Yeah it's already been confirmed that hatchlings will be able to nudge each other around and stuff. That was confirmed in May's dev blog
indigo sun
@glad ocean nope
left nacelle
@glad ocean If you want all the dinosaurs, play legacy version. If you want all the dinosaurs to be added in this one update, the update would take another 4-5 months (or longer) to come out
wraith breach
If all your suggestions were to be implemented guys i think the isle would the best animal game ever existed lol
You all have such nice ideas
left nacelle
Debatable. A lot of suggestion on here are either bad or easily abusable
There are a lot of good ones tho
pale sorrel
👍
safe galleon
@zenith onyx having magys f call as a low pitch and deep gurggle sound and then have the 4/2 call as a high pitch whale noise would be weird
zenith onyx
camaras calls are weird, so are the hypos
same thing
size doesn't matter, intimidation does though,
safe galleon
I didn't mean it like that
the noises don't sound like they could come from the same animal
vast wolf
the calls are a mixture of different sounds as is.
most sauropods already use whales and trike used an elephant i think.
im pretty sure dilo has some snake in its 3 call already.
zenith onyx
it doesn't really matter though, dinosaurs were very vocal animals and many animals today, when discovered calling out, were thought to be totally different species when heard, as with many paradise birds
vast wolf
a lot of dinosaurs used imprasound like elephants tbh.
too bad that wont be a thing as humans cant hear it.
cobalt compass
@barren zephyr nice idea, just depends on the max size of predatory fishes
zenith onyx
yeah, only certain sized fish of course would be able to swallow the juvis of course
barren zephyr
@cobalt compass muskellonge reaches 2 meters long, so i think that it can swallow fresh juvis
zenith onyx
and depending on what type of juvi it was would also determine if the fish could eat or swallow the juvi too.
barren zephyr
And channel catfish 1,3 meters so yeah
zenith onyx
size, weight
barren zephyr
But only big fish
zenith onyx
all that
cobalt compass
indeed, i almost got a 1,70m long endboss at my river
barren zephyr
Wow
cobalt compass
the beast cut my steel leader on the last meters
amazing animals and fighters
i have seen a more than 2,50m big catfish (european waller) that swallowed a decent sized swan... that was fucking scary.
happy unconcerned swan noises splosh swan gone
barren zephyr
F for swan
cobalt compass
i see most juvies can get eaten by those two fish as they are around the size of small dogs like west highland terriers and spanish cockers
utah bein smaller than chicken... so its a happy meal for them
barren zephyr
Or fresh adult utahs lol
cobalt compass
@zenith onyx to your suggestion about the magy using the alligator mating sounds, no because they're already in use and Dinosauriac doesnt want to overuse sounds too much
most dinos shall have unique soundsets
zenith onyx
already in use? you mean they have magy in dinosauriac and it has the alligator sound as a call i suggested?
covert birch
They have alligator mating noises used by another animal already
cobalt compass
nope but deino has gator sounds
covert birch
I dont see the issue with sound overlap as long as it aint hte exact same sound
cobalt compass
aye
zenith onyx
it would be edited of course, as with all the dino calls
left nacelle
Other animals also use elephants sounds. With Giga's broadcast being the most obvious one. If you listen for it, you can tell it's an elephant
zenith onyx
what the crap are you talking about? they created giga with parts of hte sounds, but only in its f call and 4 call, not in its 3, 2 or 1 calls
cobalt compass
not sure if troll or poorly choosen words...
sometimes you look to me like the federal reserve, kai...
pumping out ideas, but the possible value dercreasing with each posted suggestion. like money, if theres a high amount of it, its less worth...
i admit some of them are good, even great and creative, but your good/bad ratio is not quite good
zenith onyx
well htat jsut chears me up a whole bunch @cobalt compass, thanks for the not so "GOOD" compliment.
harsh silo
@rain tangle all the streams we've seen are with the lowest settings though
It may run choppy for dondi but he has the entire map loaded instead of chunks like we will
zenith onyx
idk about that sev
harsh silo
They mentioned it many times
That its on low settings
Because it makes working easier
zenith onyx
oh ok i must not have heard it hten
harsh silo
Dondi mentioned it once, its a very specific clip so it'd be hard to find, but i remember him mentioning it was on very low settings, workflow is easier because higher fps etc while having the entire map loaded
cobalt compass
dondi works with LoD lvl 0, which means to my understanding all details on, when mapping
zenith onyx
hmm
harsh silo
Somethings are on, but generally lods arent 100% details
He showed once some specific bushes, the one on mountain sides thaf acnnot be traversed, they had LOD0 because he was still adding them
cobalt compass
but render distance etc, that consumes alot permfomance
harsh silo
His stream was very choppy when he worked on that sort of vegetation and it wasn't that much vegetation at all
We don't know if they tuned render distance and LODs or not because it seems like a quick thing to do
They have the game on low settings, with or without lods (textures, shadows etc) as far as i know
cobalt compass
but even with actual uses settings it looks way better
harsh silo
Thats the good news, it looks great, and its on low graphics with unfinished render distances etc
sand oar
why would dondi work on low settings?
cobalt compass
the other shown streams
icy lion
to get more than 10fps
sand oar
the AI guy was on a test map
icy lion
the editor doesnt really have render distance, it loads everything
sand oar
icy lion
and the test map was still big and full of foliage
sand oar
the editor dont have render distance?
icy lion
i thiiiiiink. idk much about ue4 buut from dondis streams whenever he zoomed out, everything was there. the only thing that "popped in" was foliage, all the terrain was always there
sand oar
well than let me tell you it have render distance
yea he got the map tiles loaded
the detail only load when you get near those tiles
otherwise you get a big ugly chunk of map tile
left nacelle
@woven storm We're already getting frogs. But the game takes place in modern times, so no need for giant prehistoric amphibians
woven storm
@left nacelle I undestand but if its limited by modern times than half of the roster should be purged, Im not saying you're wrong but to discredit them on the basis of modern times I feel is almost unfair. For example if we ever get Mosa for an animal for sea play, Im not so sure that "modren times" would allow for such a creature to exist so assuming it does they may have dinked with the DNA of the animal to make it more suited to survival in current climates and ecosystems. These are not 100% accurate in their display, while being represenitive of dinosaurs and creatures who have existed I feel like with things such as Hypno's and such existing prehistoric amphibians could infact be brought in reasonably.
But I am unsure if they will or if they should, again I think it would be cool. I think it would be neat to see them and even play as them with their nature being more of a deep water kind of hidden threat and something PERHAPS who could contest the water and make it more "Im not sure whats down there".. Granted we will get that with spino, deino and whatever else may come down the line. But they are kind of iconic in their own right, they are also very unique in display and nature and could be cool for example for smaller creatures. Im almost certain Deino and Spino respectively could probably tackle larger prey so we need a small and mid tier, these guys with maybe some others could offer the small tiers some flesh and blood?
But then... Turtles could also fill such a role depending on the species they decide to go with.
left nacelle
But what I'm saying is the playable animals are the only prehistoric things on the island. They're human made animals loosely based on prehistoric ones. AE created the animals for specific niches to fill on the ecosystem. There isn't any need for there to be prehistoric amphibians when we already have frogs
It's the same reason that all the confirmed fish are modern fish
woven storm
Im well aware, Im just saying it would be nice to maybe see them. I however agree they may be something that is not... fit to be in the game. I dont know was just an Idea lol
left nacelle
It was a unique idea too. But even if they were added, they'd probably barely ever be noticed considering they'll just be ambiant
cobalt compass
@wraith gulch yes, anky will recieve an update, but thats far down the line
wraith gulch
Fair enough
paper oriole
lol imagine making alligator horny call being its f call wtf
harsh silo
why would dondi work on low settings?
@sand oar he has all the map tiles loaded, or at least multiple at once, all of them with high graphics would be very awkard and hard to work on due to performance, so all tiles, low graphics makes everything smoother
left nacelle
Don uses low graphics in the editor
You can see how close he has to get to foliage for it to actually look good
left nacelle
vestal rune
fairly sure dondi literally confirmed he works on lo wsettings
left nacelle
Dondi's literally said multiple times they do stuff on low settings. This argument is pointless
Even Paradym's said it multiple times
sand oar
yea you right
cobalt compass
serious
where did you get your infomation about dondi using settings above 'Low'?
stoic wave
😬 Why would scent marks be a bad thing?
stoic wave
It’s just an idea, and it’s an option
left nacelle
Plus if you make it pee/poo then you have people who'll do weird stuff with it
honest sparrow
indeed
left nacelle
And then you have issues with lag and stuff
stoic wave
aaa I mean scratching trees n stuff
left nacelle
Scratching trees will be a thing with emotes
stoic wave
Really?
left nacelle
Yeah, most likely
left nacelle
Not like "emotes" but like.. random actions you can do just cause
stoic wave
mm yea
honest sparrow
scratches trees to leave scent
predator or prey notices your scent and they either track you down or just avoid the area, gradually starving you
you die
you don't use them again
left nacelle
Scratching trees, preening etc
cobalt compass
iirc dondi mentioned emotes as in "use a wheel of possible expressions" like in other games
but i dont think they'd be overly expressive
left nacelle
Yeah, they'll still be immersive. Actions you can expect animals to do. No dancing or anything lol
Nothing like this ☝️
left nacelle
@green cave Jumping and grabbing a tree will do nothing to protect you lol
Whatever's chasing you can just jump up and kill you
left nacelle
But what if it isn't an allo juvy
left nacelle
Exactly
left nacelle
And if you're close to a tree that means you're in a jungle. If you're in a jungle, you can just hide in the foliage
That would be more effective
green cave
But on open spaces not
left nacelle
But if you're in the open, how you gonna grab a tree?
green cave
also for the people that ahve Low graphics
they dont see the foliage
and Most people use that to hunt
left nacelle
Low graphics won't give you an advantage anymore
green cave
they low their graphics
left nacelle
They're changing how that works
If you use low graphics, the foliage won't go away, it'll just become flat images, so you can't use low graphics to hunt
green cave
well the Thing is it will at leats make you a 10% more chance to survive
left nacelle
But hiding in foliage would give you like an 80% chance
You shouldn't be in the open as a juvy anyway
green cave
new map have a lot of open Spaces as Foliage Place too
left nacelle
And what's your point?
green cave
Idk it would make more interesting Playng small size dinosaurs Juvies
left nacelle
They already have things planned to make it more interesting
And it would kinda be boring to latch onto a tree and hope you don't die
green cave
Well if you dont like suggestion
turbid glade
are we able to place nest on other stuff like big rocks?
left nacelle
We don't know. Probably not tho
kind agate
(to the triceratops 3 call post from yesterday) I totally agree with you, the new 3 call is alright but I really liked the old one better
vestal hound
Dondi's literally said multiple times they do stuff on low settings. This argument is pointless
@left nacelle
Didn't he say he works on max to look into the overhead because he has a nasa pc?
vestal hound
Well if he uses highest settings I won't be dissapointed tbh
he gets good fps even in the gamewindow
covert birch
Personally find that a bit too easy of a way to become a strain
Like at a base needing all perks works
But you should have to do some grueling journey or something
Go find the replicator or somethin and do lore junk -> next life = strain
silent current
Well until we know what the lore is like that is my current suggestion
twin vessel
Blue, that's weeks of work though
just to grow an adult rex is already such a time sink
to get elder, even more so
silent current
That's why I chose maxing out a dino completely
twin vessel
and then to max all elder traits we're talking about many elder lifetimes
so honestly, it kinda makes sense
but at the same time, that might be too much of a time sink
spend an actual week working towards hyper rex
silent current
Well it's for something stronger than anything else in the game
and who said it's just rexes? c:
twin vessel
shot down by mercs within a few hours
oh well I'm just continuing with the rex as an example,
I could work, just depends on how these things are balanced in the future
which we can't speak for
silent current
yeah
I wanted a simiplier way for the time being because it'll be a long while and we don't even know what the lorew is like anymore
Since they said they completely redid it
Sure it still has the same aspects but we really don't know much about the lore and probably won't for a loong time
Which then again strains will be a loong while as well
because they kind of destroy and disturb ecosystems
Hypos are basically monster hunter deviljohs
So we could most likely expect them when things within the game have completely changed
besides suggestions are just suggestions
You can't expect a suggestion to have everything explained it's just an idea a thought rather than a whole explanation on something
covert birch
Blue, that's weeks of work though
exactly, it should be ages to get elder, and still difficult on top of that
Time sinks for hypers isnt a good idea. Back in progression there still was a lot
Like, if it was just a time sink for hypers
Then after a couple days or so youll see quite a few pop up
And there will be a shitton of em again
Make it actually difficult to get, via tasks ya need to do n such and not just a time sink and its fine
vestal rune
there should be a way to actually revert your progress, so it's a matter of skill
left nacelle
@oblique bolt The threaten call does exactly that
oblique bolt
Yes but a stance or something would look cool
eternal owl
@zenith onyx about the Magy f call thing, the Magy is reaaaally small, so it wouldn't reaaaally sound like that
left nacelle
@oblique bolt But it isn't needed. Why waste money on 30+ animations when a 3 call does the same thing?
oblique bolt
honest sparrow
I mean 3 calls have animations anyway
So there’s no need to make stego do the obi wan pose from ROTS
left nacelle
^^^^^
slate owl
I can’t find, do they intend to put humans back in in this update?
indigo sun
Humans wont be in this update
consider the next update starting from scratch
We start from the basics and work our way up, and humans arent supposed to come until dinosaurs are done