Like there isnt even point of having an argument
#general-feedback-discussion
lilac swallow
barren zephyr
i think we need to stop this thread because of toxicity increase
lilac swallow
Its objetively wrong
barren zephyr
this is my last message for this:
they have different niches, but cheirus wont have because theri and beipi exists
I end with this thread
indigo sun
Remove rex cause giga could do what rex does
past berry
one does not simply end an argument with personal opinion
lilac swallow
Remove rex cause giga could do what rex does
@indigo sun literally this
barren zephyr
Ok end the thread with your last messages
wraith breach
lets all pray they add deinochrus
lilac swallow
they have different niches, but cheirus wont have because theri and beipi exists
They have different niches, but giga wont have because Rex and dilo exists
Big brain moment
barren zephyr
No because dilo is a venomous and small bleeder, rex is ambusher with bone break and bite force and giga is big bleeder and sauropod and big herbi hunter
indigo sun
Thats the point
indigo sun
Also, thought you already said your last message
past berry
my last message:
me and many ppl would love to get deinocheirus bcs of unique gameplay, and original creature, not because its our PERSONAL OPINION AND STUPID ARGUMENTS COMPARING TO TOTALLY DIFFERENT CREATURES
lilac swallow
Dilo has the bleeder niche, Rex has apex, giga is bleeder apex, is literally a combination of both and is fine
valid zephyr
cheirus would be a great playable for omnis. that entire faction feels neglected.
past berry
stp
valid zephyr
two omnis in the entire game
random imp
auto- voting his own suggestion with a bunch of emojis
cheirus would be a great playable for omnis. that entire faction feels neglected.
@valid zephyr don't jump at the conclusion "omnis neglected" when we don't even know half of the full final roster
oblique sluice
Happens a lot
valid zephyr
kissen literally confirmed we've been shown the full roster last night
random imp
right now it is
valid zephyr
and no more planned playables
random imp
full roster for now, they'll add stuff once they finish the ones that are planned
"We’re not adding any new playable creatures anytime soon."
this is the message Kissen wrote
but that does not mean " no other animals"
it means that they have to finish the already big roster they have now
then it can be "upgraded" with new creatures.
left nacelle
@mint urchin That's definitely possible. I'm pretty sure it already works like that for devs
rugged condor
i cant belive my suggestion has 100% positive
xD
that whould be painful doe
xD
did bitsy seriously just upvote and do tento love to his OWN sugegstion
suggestion*
barren zephyr
Where is the roster
paper oriole
Yeah people who upvote their own suggestions... 
barren zephyr
Is there a channel with the planned dinosaur
indigo sun
It's pinned in #401464048610312195 you gotta scroll through the pins a bit though
paper oriole
Megalania is missing from that list but it's pretty much complete
turbid glade
and titanboa is coming alot later
left nacelle
@past berry That would work better as an emote imo
past berry
maybe
left nacelle
If that was part of it's sitting animation it would clean itself every time the animation loops. Which would cause it to clean itself every like 3 seconds. Which would look weird lol
And we already know preening is gonna be a thing
livid niche
didn't one of the devs say something about feathered dinosaurs preening anyways?
left nacelle
Yeah, I just said that lol
barren zephyr
Thx @odd sedge
I was thinking about that idea above and it can be a great idea cheirus
odd sedge
I was thinking about that idea above and it can be a great idea cheirus
Yeah same. I thought, it might need some general ideas added to it
barren zephyr
Yep it needed more info
odd sedge
Yes it did. But I just love the idea of an apex omnivore
barren zephyr
Yes
odd sedge
Thank you ^^
Well I think it would be similar, from the idea.
But I'd imagine it to be stronger than the theri, but just a lot slower and maybe with an even worse turn radius
indigo sun
V1C3 just argued with us like 3 hours ago that deinocheirus shouldnt be in the game cause its just a theri clone and couldnt have a niche. i really dont understand the sudden suggestion in favor of the animal from them
odd sedge
I just liked the idea, because it could be an omnivorous apex
indigo sun
Yeah thats an area that hasnt been filled, and with so few omnivores it'd be nice to see various sizes at least for them
odd sedge
That's for sure
barren zephyr
Tf happened to it being a theri clone huh?
@indigo sun i changed opinion, after 5 minutes thinking i realised its great!
i dont know what i was thinking about when i said theri clone lol
wraith breach
i feel like deino is accepted for the isle
honest sparrow
I personally don’t care for it
wraith breach
omni apex is unique from carni apex
honest sparrow
But I can see why other people would want it
honest sparrow
I guess you could call quetz or hatz a flyer apex
honest sparrow
Hatzegopteryx and Ptera can eat hatchlings and things like hypsi size along with fish
wraith breach
wow its big
worldly igloo
Deinocheirus seems to be very popular today
feral adder
Yeah I would love to see a giraffe sized pterano flying around snatching Utahs lol
worldly igloo
Closest thing we could get to a freaking dragon
feral adder
haha no dragons here 😉
An apex Omni would be interesting, and I like the throw idea too could be used for many things
worldly igloo
grabs Utah YEET
past berry
lets not make cheirus hated like this creature from mark that throws rocks
feral adder
grabs boulder, becomes new H-type
past berry
haha
valid zephyr
the lack of omnis is so sad. only two in the entire roster
tupan, giganto, cheirus, and parax would all add to the roster
honest sparrow
Why would stego of all things eat from trees
strange wave
i mean, it does have a reasonably long neck
honest sparrow
I mean stego’s big with a decent neck
neat beacon
Looks like bigbang doesnt know this is a suggestion discussion
honest sparrow
But I doubt it’d purposely browse trees
Unless they were young or low to the ground
zenith onyx
Stego was believed to actually eat trees, and sometimes aquatic plants, living in swampy areas, but that might be outdated so who knows
odd sedge
I Could imagine the stego eating more bushes but not really trees
neat beacon
Also why only specific trees?
honest sparrow
Me when 1950’s stego
strange wave
flying stego
past berry
i dont even see some herbrivores grazing, and chunky stego eating trees? nah
feral adder
@valid zephyr Parax? What you mean? And also giganto would just be a different looking brachi?
zenith onyx
why specific trees @neat beacon? Because stego is a big animal, so of course it would only be able to eat small edible trees, not large ones.
neat beacon
Pue was a big ass animal, did it have to bend down to eat some small seedlings?
honest sparrow
I’m still opposed gigantoraptor
feral adder
Oh I looked up the wrong Dino my b
valid zephyr
honest sparrow
Parax? More like Nothro
valid zephyr
nothro?
honest sparrow
Nothronychus
valid zephyr
it's not really much like gigantoraptor. they could easily be different
past berry
if stego will stand on 2 legs, idk where this game is goin
valid zephyr
parax could be 700kg grappler with its arms and claws. like an omni version of utah or galli
honest sparrow
Was in reference to parax vs nothro , honestly they both work imo
valid zephyr
there is a huge choice of potential omnis though. don't understand why their roster is stunted to two animals
honest sparrow
And I shall remain giganotoraptor’s number one hater for it to be in game
valid zephyr
why do you hate it?
honest sparrow
I like omnis, but some just don’t work imo
I like it as an animal, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be bigger ovi
feral adder
It would, lol I have no issue with that
valid zephyr
i mean wouldn't be eating eggs. would be sprinting across the plains both hunting protoceratops like animals, and reaching into tall trees to pick fruits
it's less similar to ovi than mono, utah and dilo are to each other
honest sparrow
I mean, ovi could probably swallow small things like compies and eats berries
Also why wouldn’t ovi also sprint across plains
Very easily has the speed to survive there
valid zephyr
ovi is a pure fleeing animal. giganto would be fighting off allos
austro and sucho are both in
honest sparrow
Me when obvious kicking
valid zephyr
both are fish eaters which wade
honest sparrow
At least Austro has the potential to fuction more like a carnivorous Beipi or otter
valid zephyr
gigantoraptor is like 80 times heavier than ovi. they're defo not similar at all.
honest sparrow
Size? Ofc not. Playstyle? Eh
valid zephyr
one avoids notice and steals eggs, the other is a giraffe carno like animal which dominates the plains
honest sparrow
Also they’re in the same family, while that doesn’t matter in terms of gameplay it does make them similar outside of that so
valid zephyr
we have 5 ceratopsians, and another confirmed for later.
honest sparrow
Well 7 if you count taco
valid zephyr
i did count taco?
i miss one?
taco, proto, ava, dibble, trike, and later on pachyrhino
honest sparrow
Taco, proto, Ava, dibble, styraco, pachyrhino, trike
valid zephyr
styraco been mentioned?
honest sparrow
Ye
valid zephyr
i missed that
honest sparrow
I think it got the pachyrhino treatment
feral adder
I missed pachyrhino lol
zenith onyx
Because @neat beacon, if the tree is too tall lol it can't eat from it.
neat beacon
Then just say it can eat small trees?
feral adder
Although I also completely missed mono as well, when was that confirmed?
valid zephyr
beip: swimming small duckboi
ovi: small fleeing egg and berry eater
parax/northo: smallish animal which fights off utahs and outruns larger threats
giganto: speedy plains apex lite which can pick fruit like a giraffe
cheirus: wading apex eating water plants, fish, and anything it can swallow acting as a grappler.
tupan: flying fruit bat ptera living in the treetops
mono not only confirmed, but modelled, given a skin, and started animation.
feral adder
Not familiar with that one, similar to dilo? Smaller or larger?
strange wave
slight smaller than dilo
feral adder
Hmm probably no venom?
valid zephyr
i assume it will be no venom, otherwise it's just dilo reskin
it's one of those where people are a tad confused about its role
feral adder
I love the fact that they’re downscaling everything with smaller dinos becoming more frequent, I really like playing as a big stompy boi, but not as much as like say a Herra or a Bary
neat beacon
You edited 2 mins ago from this
Because @neat beacon, if the tree is too tall lol it can't eat from it.
@zenith onyx
Bruh just tell me you changed it
zenith onyx
i did later, lol
neat beacon
you edited it mate
zenith onyx
yep, but i still said it
neat beacon
you didn't say it in your og suggestion
zenith onyx
look again hehe
zenith onyx
lo niether do i if you wanna use language
left nacelle
@zenith onyx I think the mother eating the eggs thing could be abused. People could use it to get food
honest sparrow
me when stupid arguments
lilac swallow
Unless laying the egg wasted the same amount of food than the gained by eating It is just infinite food
feral adder
yeah i feel like there should be a serious debuff for eating your own eggs
so people won't abuse it
left nacelle
Maybe not a debuff for eating them, but a debuff for laying them. Like maybe laying eggs costs hunger, to prevent you from getting free food from eating them
So maybe laying eggs costs 25 hunger for example, but eating them gives back 20. So you just lost 5 hunger
feral adder
That would make more sense realism-wise
lilac swallow
Or even giving the same amount, just not more food than the wasted
left nacelle
Nah it should give you less. To penalize you for making a nest and having to eat your eggs
left nacelle
Yeah I agree
Also if laying eggs costs hunger, it would make people prioritize food over laying eggs. Which is what animals do irl. They get their basic needs down first before they start reproducing
I might make a suggestion out of that actually....
ashen elm
@left nacelle I like your suggestion! I agree that nests should definitely come at a personal cost besides just time and effort.
One thing I would add/suggest, though maybe it's too complicated, is that in birds and certain reptiles calcium is the main nutrient that they use to lay eggs. Mothers if they are not healthy, may even use their own bone marrow in order to supplement the egg production.
I know mineral licking is already a thing, so maybe in combination with food, some type of calcium lick could be used to supplement egg laying? If you want to go darker, you could also have animals supplement their calcium from gnawing on skeletons and bones...
strange wave
ya know @valid zephyr , i had doubts about how you could make lurdu and other aquatic herbis work, but this has just answered all my questions about them, good job
valid zephyr
wasn't sure if i should make a full document on just one. in the end just wanted to demonstrate the environment itself was possable for herbis
left nacelle
@ashen elm I know Ceratosaurus will be eating bone, which would work as calcium and that just ties back into hunger. I mainly just said it would consume hunger to keep the suggestion simple. Plus it would prevent people from going "I need food" and ten placing down a nest and eating their own eggs lol
I do like the feedback tho
ashen elm
That's true. Sometimes simple is better in these type of things lol.
I tend to want to go more into depth just because game-play right now can be a little... dry at times so some more complexity can't hurt. xD
left nacelle
Yeahh lol. I normally stick to simpler suggestion cause they tend to do well, and the more complex things are, the more things there are that people will disagree with lol. Plus it might be a bit tedius to go off and find a mineral lick just to make a nest. Especially for things like Ptera which are vulnerable on the ground
ashen elm
I mean... making Ptera more vulnurable is a plus in my book 
I get you, but yeah, whatever they do I do think the devs need to add more of a resource cost to nesting.
night sand
aquatic herbi that could go on the doc could be Gryposaurus Jenkens
sage locust
test
feral adder
Aquashant ❤️
feral adder
Reminds me of the paras in fantasia
night sand
lel
valid zephyr
is there evidence for Gryposaurus being aquatic?
left nacelle
@novel finch Not really the place for questions. Also the dinosaurs were made by the company the humans work for. I doubt the mercenaries would care about studying them
novel finch
ok, i didn't where your stance was on them. So, i figured i'd ask lol. thank you for thfeedback. 🙂
left nacelle
Yep! No prob
novel finch
In theory if they were, you'd probably have a few you could create as your own pack. From herbivores, to carnivores, i'd say up to three. but then you'd have to not only worry about taking care of yourself, but you would also have to worry about keeping what your taming to prevent them from dying, or seeing you as food. i mean realisticallly that's only way i'd see how that be fate of the tamer. unless, as bork said, if it's tribal, then they could have say one t rex or giga that as it grew up up yo could use as a mount, maybe?
wraith breach
so the player controlling dinosaur loses the dinosaur?
or are you gonna control the player as well lol
also nice documents by jenkens# aquaticherbis 🙂
very positive idea for aquatic herbs.
left nacelle
@wraith breach Tribals are gonna beat the dinosaurs and force them to behave. If the dinosaur doesn't obey, they die. Dondi said in the past that if a tribal rides a dinosaur, the dinosaur has full control, but the tribal will be able to tug the bridle to turn the dinosaur in the direction they want to go
So it isn't really taming at all. It's more abuse and enslavement
feral adder
maybe only have AI be tameable?
feral adder
sure, not being able to do anything with ur dino u just spent 8 hours caring for and growing that some random tribal just stunned and strapped up is super immersive....
feral adder
I hope ur right
left nacelle
The tribals are gonna need to work together to bring it down
And even then, you can escape from enslavement
And being enslaved isn't the end. You get to be taken care of in exchange for your freedom
The tribals benefit from your strength and power, and you benefit from free food
left nacelle
Yeah lol. The devs aren't gonna make it easy to enslave an animal. That would be abused soooooo badly
A tribe would just go around and enslave ever apex on the server
feral adder
I hope there will be a cooldown of sorts, jsut so that one player that really doesn't want to be enslaved at least has time to escape and run away
left nacelle
Well you'll probably be able to fight back while being enslaved
night sand
is there evidence for Gryposaurus being aquatic?
@valid zephyr yep, lived in rivers
left nacelle
The tribals are gonna use metal hooks to bring you down iirc
left nacelle
Yeah. Tribals are violent af
left nacelle
Mhmm
night sand
If dino disobeys they die?
left nacelle
Dondi said the games lore is crazy dark. This is probably nothing compared to the rest of it
Probably yeah lol
night sand
I mean
left nacelle
Cause if they disobey they'll get beaten more and more
left nacelle
A rex would only be able to go rouge if the tribals don't do a good job of keeping it in line
night sand
By keeping it in line u mean regular beatings?
feral adder
ugh i can just see that used for griefing so easily
left nacelle
By keeping it in line I mean keeping an eye on it, preventing it from doing things it isn't supposed to, keeping it contained well etc
How would it be used for griefing?
Bringing down a rex is not gonna be easy at all. I imagine it'll be rare to see a tribe with an enslaved rex
Plus all of this is subject to change. The game's climate has changed a lot since this was all said
feral adder
I'm not a griefer so I don't have one off the top of my head, but people will find a way. I really would like to see this whole mechanic implemented i just want the experience to be enjoyable for all players u know?
left nacelle
I think it'll be enjoyable. Looking for a way to escape and stuff
I also think it would cool to be in a cage and see all the tribals running around doing their thing and shit. And imagine being captured, and then all of a sudden your pack storms the village/camp and breaks you out of your cage. That would be sick lol
valid zephyr
@violet peak aquatic plants are confirmed and have been shown
violet peak
Ok
left nacelle
There's already some aquatic plants on Thenyaw actually. In one of the lakes there's kelp (I think it's kelp at least)
indigo sun
I thought that was just grass but eh kelp sure
left nacelle
Nah in Great Lake (I think) if you swim to the center you can see kelp in the water
harsh silo
@thorn yoke that probably won't be a thing, disabling human structures, maybe modded maps can help with you with that. I mean, I'd be surprised if it ever was a thing when modding will be coming back
valid zephyr
@woven horizon allo is getting a massive speed buff.
also 55kph would be way too high. it would just run down and kill everything easily.
allo is already one of the most powerful playables in the game and invalidates half the roster
valid zephyr
I think i've been playing a different game? In which timeline does a cerato slaughter an allo pack?
odd sundial
Didn’t you know?? Cerato one shots allo
blazing charm
Just read through that aqautic herbivore document, not really selling me on any of the proposed options, the pros and cons basically detracts from why exactly each creature might be viable to add or have areas that need to be focused on or improved.
So that's definitely a big no from me.
odd sundial
valid zephyr
i mean it's not meant to be an in depth look at making one animal detailed
it's just showing there are options
playing as swimming herbis would never be something everyone enjoys. hell most people hate playing herbis at all
blazing charm
And quite frankly in my opinion, you haven't done the best job in selling any of them. When you iclude everything, you focus on nothing.
I like the idea of aquatic herbivores, I just don't like your takes on them, nothing personal though.
odd sundial
The thing is she isn’t doing an in-depth look nor is she focusing on anything specific she’s just showing you the possible choices
blazing charm
I know, and I literally just said why I think that's a bad idea.
valid zephyr
i've slightly more in depth proposals on two of them before. every single one has reasons certain people don't want it
i just feel that though the isle has a massive roster, it has somehow managed to miss a ton of gameplay styles while having a lot of 'clone' animals
i could do a document on a single animal but as it's been mentioned that no more are coming it feels pointless
vestal hound
really?! sorry then I feel like I always miss these things! will delete the other suggestion parts then
cobalt compass
age slide was in foszors stream shown iirc
neutral location will/should be a warehouse
blazing charm
That has been said countless times, and i'm pretty sure it was already said that no new creatures would come into until the previous roster has been brought back, and even then that can still change.
I can't speak for everyone on why your ideas weren't praised, but I'll once again share my views on it. The way you describe the idea of a semi-aqautic herbivore is either incredibly boring, or biased. The concept of just swimming under at the bottom of a lake or river eating seaweed would be fun for like, 5-10 minutes for the average player. I know YOU enjoy that gameplay, but not everyone is going to agree with that mindset. Said creature needs to be able to either defend itself underwater, or have some way of escaping. Either you'd need to focus on it being large or fast.
I've told you this before, but you always try to shoehorn a creature into being viable by slapping in things like being nocturnal, and it kinda comes off as a desire to have a creature that caters to a very passive playstyle, which is fine and dandy, but that doesn't work in a very hostile enviroment.
I don't think the Isle's setting is really the best place for a creature that is completely watergoing and relaxed, the water is meant to be a scary place, something that is filled with unseen danger, an aqautic animal needs to be able to excell in that enviroment.
valid zephyr
keep in mind many land herbivores are also passive. dryo can eat bushes and run away and that's it. people still enjoy them. The reason I slap nocturnal on half my stuff is herbivores also don't have a single nocturnal animal, when irl many of them are (even a majority), and carnivores have access to two nocturnal already. There are a huge number of herbivores which are just meant to flee the second there is danger, and these are doing that in a different environment.
lurdu would be very capable of defending itself being over 5 tons, but it's unpopular due to being used in BoB.
desmato could also use its armour, spikes, and tail to fight smaller animals such as utah, and deter baryonyx
odd sundial
Also it’s funny how bob was able to make lurdu viable in a way more cutthroat environment where mosas Kronos and elasmo can eat you. But you think that deino and spino invalidate everything
blazing charm
lurdu would be very capable of defending itself being over 5 tons, but it's unpopular due to being used in BoB.
Remember how we talked its legs being pretty much useless in defending itself from anything that's taller? Or did you just completely ignore that entire discussion?
vestal hound
Wouldn't it be nice to have a river roaming herbisaur? I feel like herbies shouldn't just stay at swamps... they are more of a pitstop.
valid zephyr
its sheer weight means it can run over an allo. people are claiming the 1 ton magy can smack an allo to the ground. But now a close to 6 tons animal can't?
most of the new additions coming with recode fit your criteria of not doing anything unique and having to just hide and flee.
strange wave
thing is magy can be made to run
odd sundial
Using irl arguments of it having ‘short legs’ doesn’t apply in the isle where we have literal monsters for dinosaurs
ashen elm
We have monsterfied Spino and Utah, but Lurdu is somehow impossible to add in the game. 
odd sundial
^
valid zephyr
homo and magy are exactly that
blazing charm
Um that’s irl
Not in game
@odd sundial Alright, picture this. Let's give Lurdusaurus the creative libertty treatment, fine and dandy. Nothing wrong with that, lets fix that issue by giving it longer legs.
Congratulations, you've just created an Igunodon with a different name, therefore eliminating any need for it to rely on the water.
strange wave
with the short little ass lurdu legs its gonna be tough to outspeed even sucho
odd sundial
I don’t recall iguanodon being semi aquatic?
ashen elm
Lurduguanodon is fine, they are both iguanodontids. Lurdu just fits better because it has better support for semi-aquatics
blazing charm
Don't really NEED to be semi-aqautic if you have the long legs, which is more or less why Lurdusaurus relied on water, no?
valid zephyr
i mean i was tempted to suggest biguanadon with lurdo like fictionalisations.
barren zephyr
or you can just be creative make a dinosaur able to defend itself/run away. Not everything in the isle has to be realistic lmfao.
strange wave
iguanodon can easily be made into a viable animal
ashen elm
Than random Iguano which is also semi-aquatic
strange wave
lurdu is a bit tougher
odd sundial
Even with the slightly longer legs it can still be made to be slow on land and use those legs to defend itself
ashen elm
Lurdoguanodon with semi-aquatic > regular Iguanodon
barren zephyr
Isle already has fictionalized animals to make them more viable, so why not fictionalize Lurdu
visual urchin
using the creative liberty argument is a double edged sword because you also need to make it not look like trash if you'er going to mess with it
stretching what ammounts to a squat sausage to uppercut something miight not yeild the best resuilts
ashen elm
Fictionalized Lurdu is just longer legs though
visual urchin
then its just an iguanodon
strange wave
Isle already has fictionalized animals to make them more viable, so why not fictionalize Lurdu
@barren zephyr because that basically makes it into iguanodon
ashen elm
Monster Spino already looks like trash anyway
strange wave
but atleast monster spino can be viable in a different way to the other apexes
visual urchin
their skeletons are literally the same with the exception that lurdo has small legs and a long neck
odd sundial
So???
visual urchin
at least with giga and rex they have different builds
blazing charm
its sheer weight means it can run over an allo. people are claiming the 1 ton magy can smack an allo to the ground. But now a close to 6 tons animal can't?
@valid zephyr That isn't exactly going to help if it can't actually catch a predator, and at that point a fight would just be an exercise of baiting attacks, which is ultimately just gonna be a competition of numbers or size.
visual urchin
in this case we're looking at a fat slow version of the other and trying to make it good by accidentally turning it into the other
feral wedge
"Creative liberties," they said. "It'll be great," they said.
Creative liberties:
odd sundial
Lurdu is semi aquatic tho
visual urchin
then just make an iguanodon that behaves in a semi-aquatic way with its mechanics, if you're just going to make a long legged lurdu
ashen elm
We already have creative liberty Spino and it's horrific.
strange wave
We already have creative liberity Spino and it's horrific.
@ashen elm but its still recognizable as spinosaurus
odd sundial
That same statement applies to spino dev. It’s literally a rex crocodile hybrid with a sail that can swim
feral wedge
No, it's not bad. Horrific in terms of what one would call "accuracy" in an ever-changing science, perhaps.
ashen elm
So people will know it's not Lurdu if we give it longer legs?
strange wave
turning lurdusaurus into iguanodon makes it not lurdu
visual urchin
exactly
ashen elm
That's less of a jump than monster Spino
strange wave
So people will know it's not Lurdu if we give it longer legs? :GWchadThonkery:
@ashen elm then its just a fat iguanodon
ashen elm
That's Lurdu anyway
visual urchin
because making lurdo with long legs makes it iguanodon because theyre almost the same damn animal
ashen elm
Fat Iguanodon = Lurdu, yes we know this
odd sundial
Everything you guys say applies to spino in game which isn’t even a spino
strange wave
lurdus defining trait is how short it is, spinos is its sail
valid zephyr
isn't herbis running down and catching predators a massive point of contention in the current game?
blazing charm
Making Iguanodon, or a Lurdu/Igunaodon hyrbird is just taking an animal that could function perfectly fine as a terrestial creature, and forcefully shoehorn it into an aqautic enviroment.
ashen elm
Says who? Lurdu isn't known to the general public at all
strange wave
extend lurdus legs you have iguanodon remove spinos sail you have sucho
feral wedge
All in all. Lurdu dies with the supposed habituations of Tenonto eating swamp plants anyways. Essentially a synonymous purpose. Adding even more animals on top of all of the new and returning stuff will need to have much firmer and unshakable ground to stand upon in order to be a viable and worthwhile effort.
strange wave
spino still has its sail
ashen elm
Tenonto is not doing what Lurdu do at all
odd sundial
^
tacit night
^
visual urchin
its a swamp lad that eats the marsh plants
unless you're looking for a pelagic herbivore
ashen elm
Only reason Tenoto is in the swamp is to get eaten by Dieno becuz magic plants
blazing charm
isn't herbis running down and catching predators a massive point of contention in the current game?
@valid zephyr Current. Game. As in, it shouldn't be a thing.
What i'm referring to, is Lurdusaurus offensive capapbilites being mainly useless if its not standing on its hind legs, which basically would make it immoble due to how small said legs are.
valid zephyr
i mean teno isn't in the swamp to be good at it. it's no better than any pure land animal swimming. teno is there to force deinos to have some food
strange wave
lurdu has the most problems of all the aquatics
feral wedge
And lurdu has fins?
valid zephyr
teno is in the swamp to die. nothing more.
ashen elm
Lurdu has fat, dense bones which make it hippo-iguanodon
strange wave
how the fuck are you going to make spino not flatten lurdu into the earth
ashen elm
Make it slower?
feral wedge
Tenonto is in the swamp to feed upon the plants that fulfill its dietary needs. It being there for Deino is a plus. Deino doesn't need to be in the swamp nor feed on Tenonto.
ashen elm
Like all other carnivores that exist with a smaller herbivore?
blazing charm
It's almost as if a semi-aquaitc herbvore would require to strategize to avoid being eaten by a Deinosuchus.
strange wave
ah yes make the already decently quick spino slower than the overweight short legged iguanodon clone
odd sundial
how the fuck are you going to make spino not flatten lurdu into the earth
That’s like me saying how are you going to make rex not flatten iguanodon into the earth
ashen elm
Tenonto being in a swamp =/= being semi-aquatic. Unless I put my Cama in the swamp and suddenly it's an Elasmosaur
feral wedge
That comparison is illogical.
strange wave
That’s like me saying how are you going to make rex not flatten iguanodon into the earth
@odd sundial iguanodon can run
odd sundial
Lurdu can swim
strange wave
not faster than spino
valid zephyr
spino in game is apparently a bottom walker like a hippo.
visual urchin
now you're just speculating on things we dont know
ashen elm
An animal being in an environment to eat a certain plant, probably only small part of it's nutrition, does not make it an animal adapted to be in the water either.
strange wave
spino in game is apparently a bottom walker like a hippo.
@valid zephyr it doesn't mean that it cant siwm
odd sundial
now you're just speculating on things we dont know
^
feral wedge
"Probably only small" and "Its main source" are two very different things.
valid zephyr
at most it's aquatic like sucho
valid zephyr
how happy would deino mains be if they were told to be happy with sucho?
strange wave
what
feral wedge
It's probably going to need to frequent them for the appropriate dietary needs.
valid zephyr
most of the community is super hyped for deino due to it being able to swim.
blazing charm
....What?
feral wedge
Also, comparing Deino, a crocodilian, to Suchomimus is vastly different to comparing Tenonto to slighty fatter Tenonto.
valid zephyr
lurdu isn't the only possable herbi swimming animal though
strange wave
lurdu just has the most problem out of them
ashen elm
Anway, I don't think Lurdu is an unpopular suggestion at all despite some people having problems with it. Only a week or so ago people upvoted Lurdu a lot
blazing charm
Oh of course, there's always another option.
strange wave
the other herbivores are great
feral wedge
You're right. We got Tenonto, Beipi, for all we know Minmi could be a beaver or a turtle. Anky could be a hippo. Ceratopsians could have waded. All of these things could be replicated with current herbivores.
strange wave
just lurdu has problems
ashen elm
Compared to poor Microraptor
harsh silo
I mean technically lurdu is "similar" to the tenonto just how the hypsi is similar to the oro
feral wedge
Precisely.
harsh silo
and microraptor gets downvoted because it'd be tiny, the devs don't want one already
ashen elm
We have Mono and Dilo, that argument is bad
strange wave
it can be made different, its just hard to do it in a good way
harsh silo
Like, i don't feel like brining the "they are similar" card works too well when we have a bunch of dinos that are kinda similar already 
feral wedge
Yes but they're already in the game. They're not something entirely new.
valid zephyr
the arguement they're too passive breaks down when you have galli and dryo.
feral wedge
That's the issue.
harsh silo
sure it can be made different, remember dinos get special abilities unique to them
valid zephyr
galli is the very definition of a passive dino
valid zephyr
it eats grass the the second a threat appears within a mile it bugs out
strange wave
psychotic bastards
harsh silo
so things are similar on appearance but the playstyle depends on the ability, so "x is similar to y" argument doesn't rly work imo
ashen elm
I mean do we think they are only going to add Ptera or Dieno? Flyers and Aquatics are still factions they want to add more to. They are still adding more animals in general.
valid zephyr
once the machinegun kick is fixed it can't fight things its size
ashen elm
Also Titanoboa and Megalania got confirmed not too long ago
valid zephyr
ptera is more passive than everything else combined. it can't physically fight
blazing charm
Alright so, they're passive creatures on land. As in, the art of running away is quite effective. That can't be said for underwater enviroments, where danger can quite literally come from EVERY direction.
harsh silo
titanoboa might come next year when everything else (merc stuff etc) is finalized tho
ashen elm
But it's still coming is the point
harsh silo
well yeah
valid zephyr
that just incentivises keeping your head on a swivel, and using agility on top of raw speed to dart in all directions
harsh silo
I mean in the future dondi has said that they can add whatever they want when the game is finalized
so we could get some crazy dinos
or idk, guns
strange wave
the words lurdu and dart dont really go together great
harsh silo
or whatever they'd add
ashen elm
Actually Titanoboa is like, a worse, playable semi-aquatic in almost everyway compared to Lurdu and yet...
harsh silo
passive defensive playstyle isn't bad
valid zephyr
lurdu would not be the one darting
harsh silo
that should be most herbi's playstyle anyways, not brawlers 
strange wave
also... delete taco to make water taco?
valid zephyr
not every animal in those paragraphs would play the same
i mean taco and proto are identical. same size range, both burrowing
harsh silo
that should be most herbi's playstyle anyways, not brawlers
Run, hide, trick/juke the predator etc. And it can still be exciting
valid zephyr
if i'd suggested proto 1 year ago i'd have been laughed out of suggestions for suggesting a taco clone
strange wave
except taco is the only one with confirmed quills
strange wave
and it doesn't have a head shield to squash things into the walls of its burrow
blazing charm
And what you seem to want out of a semi-aqautic herbivore, is a creature that is strictly herbivorous, because if I recall you don't particularly like the fact that Beipi is aiming to be an omnivore (Absolutely nothing wrong with that, just trying to wrap my head around the logic)
So, you have this passive animal that swims to the bottom of the water, you eat some seaweed and avoid crocodiles. That's all well and good, sure. But then, that's kinda it. You've reached your potential. And most of the options you propose are animals that are balanced in such a way, that leaving the water is more or less suicide. So you have to hover around the water, which is fine for creatures like Deinosuchus because you are a HUNTER.
But as a herbivore, you want to be avoiding danger, and because you'd be glued to the water, which is where all the danger is.
ashen elm
valid zephyr
hell if i'd have sugested magy hypsi or homo a year ago i'd have been told bad additions
that's literally it with half the herbi roster though? what is dryos gameplay loop? it's burrowing is gone
feral wedge
You have to build good foundations for suggestions to be appreciated or remarkable.
blazing charm
I mean, you could always give Dryo something else? Burrowing isn't the be-all end all.
strange wave
that's literally it with half the herbi roster though? what is dryos gameplay loop? it's burrowing is gone
@valid zephyr but dryo has an entire island to run around, your aquatics are pretty much forced into the water and die if they either stay or leave
valid zephyr
@strange wave same as beip then? it's 27kph.
ashen elm
I mean the solution to that is making the water ecosystems more complex.
Semi-aquatics shouldn't have to chained to a specific pond or lake, there are options to include river ways, underwater caves, ecustaries, etc..
Water is 70% of the earth for a reason and should be especially important on a tropical island
valid zephyr
if beip leaves water it's death. beip can't hunt or fight much either.
it swims around eating AI fish and water plants
strange wave
but beip can fight
harsh silo
aren't aquatic carnies the same
muted fog
Wait why is deyo burrowing gone?
feral wedge
Reminder: Animals are meat. Existence is boring. Running is part of survival.
harsh silo
stay in water, eat in water
strange wave
beip has giant ass claws to stab a motherfucker with
valid zephyr
desmato can fight too.
blazing charm
Beipi can HIDE, it is essentially a DUCK. It has pretty much has nothing to lose. The options you've proposed range from having hours of progress lost because you decided to wander away from water.
ashen elm
Pretty much. Make the water not boring and explorable as it should be on an island.
harsh silo
like, i don't see the point, aquatic herbi and carni do the same thing at the end of the day, I don't see any deino complaints, at least I haven't seen any yet
strange wave
desmato is the one i have the least problems with
valid zephyr
only one option i've proposed is hours. desmato is utah tier and it's second largest
ashen elm
Lurdu finds underwater treasure cave in the island 
but it can't use money
valid zephyr
atop and korea border on AI. 30 min growths
blazing charm
Desmato is fine until you realise it's basically Anky with less armor and no tail club. It wouldn't even have the whip tail of a Nodosaur. Atop is just a joke, plain and simple.
And the other one was basically just water Homalo/Taco
odd sundial
How is atop a joke
It’s can be made into an ocean swimmer that eats the algae in the sea
strange wave
atleast atop can bring a little life to the beaches
blazing charm
How to main Atop
Step 1: Swim
Step 2: Eat some algae or moss on a rock
Congratulations, you've mastered Atopden.
strange wave
the only other oceanic animal confirmed or semi confirmed are, pela ptera and fucking spino
blazing charm
Like, there is nothing special about it. It would literally be sea-Dryo with nothing else.
strange wave
the hell is a lizard seal with no teeth going to do against demon pigeon
ashen elm
I mean sea-dryo is fine, it lets you explore the ocean and not die
odd sundial
Okay so if you have a problem with a sea dryo does that mean you have a problem with actual dryo???
strange wave
I mean sea-dryo is fine, it lets you explore the ocean and not die
@ashen elm until the spino decides it wants take out
valid zephyr
what criteria would a swimming herbivore need to fit for you to call it a good animal?
ashen elm
Spino can't even catch actual Dryo
odd sundial
Until you out swim the spino and survive
valid zephyr
and an interesting playable
blazing charm
Actual Dryosaurus has potential for mechanics, it could burrow, it can be a sentry. Atop is literally just swim and eat some moss. That's it.
odd sundial
What else would you like it to do?
ashen elm
Atop as sentry underwater Dryo
odd sundial
Like I’m genuinely confused
strange wave
tf is it going to be a sentry for? the pteras
blazing charm
Nothing, because I don't expect Atop to do anything else, and therefore it's just boring in my eyes.
@valid zephyr An animal that doesn't nesscarily excel on land, but does in the water. Instead of shackling the animal to the water, incentivise animals to venture into the water.
feral wedge
Atop is just jumbo sea iguana.
ashen elm
TBH the water balance systems are not as simple as you guys are making it out to be. There are factors which complicate balance because unlike land, you move in a 3d plane.
Plus there could be systems to give strengths and weaknesses to marine animals just like on land related to scent, eyesight, camouflage, etc...
It's not as simple as X is tiny and thus = useless.
visual urchin
beach side buffet
feral wedge
I could see it being a good "seal" replacement.
odd sundial
Okay okay so throw the whole document in the trash. Forget about it. What is your criteria for a herbivorous swimming dinosaur
Since nothing seems to please you
feral wedge
I'm famous for that. 
blazing charm
I literally just said, an animal that has OPTIONS. Something that has a reason to venture into the water, but isn't going to get its shit kicked in by Allosaurus on a regular basis.
valid zephyr
the thing is herbis, especially fleeing based ones, are not popular or liked so are never going to see the support other animals will.
ashen elm
give Atop a poisonous platypus barb
odd sundial
Okay elaborate on those options jaffad
harsh silo
it's all about pvp and being able to kill rexes on The Isle PUBG ™️
odd sundial
Isle fortnite
harsh silo
yeah
feral wedge
And there you have hit the nail on the head as to why herbivores are problematic. "Fleeing based ones are not popular or liked."
valid zephyr
not every animal needs to smack around mids imo
feral wedge
Some people like that, either way. But it makes it hard to make engaging gameplay for such things.
odd sundial
imagine having different playstyles
Wowowowo
feral wedge
Because "lol run"
harsh silo
And there you have hit the nail on the head as to why herbivores are problematic. "Fleeing based ones are not popular or liked."
Not even low tier carnivores are popular
odd sundial
Isn’t para just a run away dino?
odd sundial
Delete everything and leave rex
woven horizon
@valid zephyr Thanks for the info, I’m really exited for it
odd sundial
There everyone happy
harsh silo
Isn’t para just a run away dino?
it is but people want para to be able to kill packs of dinosaurs
feral wedge
Nah I hate Rex. Slow. Boring. Overrated.
harsh silo
oh
ashen elm
That's because there are no mechanics for any dinosaurs right now and so the bigger dinosaurs are popular because stat checks
Make smaller animals have unique niches and mechanics, like Hypsi spitting stomach bile at predators and thus instantly more recognizable and fun.
harsh silo
would allo work better, or utah or dilo? those are the remaining 3 that everyone plays
valid zephyr
like pteranadon is just sit in the air, and if any animal ever sees you on the ground intided.
it can't fight at all
feral wedge
There are legions of Utah players. I like Carno and Cerato. Dilos still pick at apex numbers in the night.
valid zephyr
and it can only eat AI fish
woven horizon
Tyrannosauruses are a bit overrated, but still feared for a good reason
harsh silo
why is it overrated if it's powerful
turbid glade
@feral wedge still 1vs1 trex as utah when i am bored lol xD
harsh silo
that'd clearly be the best choice, everyone wants to win on The Isle fortnite edition 
valid zephyr
ptera seems to fill every single criteria for a bad playable
harsh silo
and ppl love it
blazing charm
Let's picture this, an animal that could fight similarly sized predators but need to flee from larger predators. As previously stated it'd help if it didn't nesscarily excell on land in comparison to the terrestial roster, which again is meant to tie into encouraging animals to venture near water. But in a way that doesn't essentialy shackle them to the water, they will still hover near the water. But you don't have to force it.
turbid glade
@valid zephyr i think its a good spy for carni packs :D
valid zephyr
i mean tbh what even is minmi?
visual urchin
too bad that'll be something devs would try to avoid, pterosaur spies
ashen elm
Deino and Titanboa as shackled to the water though. Unless they make 1 ton snake Arboreal.
valid zephyr
it's a small slow herbivore with no defences apart from a tiny bit of armour
which won't stop a cerato for more than 4 seconds
strange wave
because you see, ptera can fucking fly nothing else does that rn, and it can also fish another feature many people have been waiting for
visual urchin
perhaps this conversation is left better off when we actually have the aquatic gameplay ironed out. At the moment theyre working on the general terrestrial gameplay.
aquatic and flier types are very unique and different from what we're accustomed to
feral wedge
Or when gameplay is ironed out, in general.
blazing charm
It's almost as if, it was part of a wave of creatures that were clearly just meant to be AI that would fill up the ecosystem and be food for juvenile carnivore players. Or, there could possibly be some sort of advantage that we just don't know about. We'll have to wait and see.
feral wedge
Because changes are on the horizon.
valid zephyr
@strange wave so it has gimmicks carni mains want basically.
deinos gimmick is the water, but maybe herbi players actually want to share in the variety too
strange wave
and ptera can be caught, and interacts with ground playable more than korea or atop ever would
valid zephyr
instead we're given like 5 oro clones and told to like it
while watching carnis get a ton of variety and different gameplay
harsh silo
why can't carnis and herbies have the same variety, it'd give prey to aquatic carnis while also giving more gameplay options to the herbi side
odd sundial
How does ptera interact with things on the ground
ashen elm
Tis true, Kissen admitted it. 
harsh silo
I'm so confused about all this rejection at the concept
odd sundial
I could as ptera literally eat fish in the sea and live on an isolated rock and not see a single player in my life and still survive
harsh silo
it's like, all for the carnis, herbis? u mean food? bruh there's a herbi playerbase too, or people that play both from time to time
ashen elm
The only solution is to force an aquatic herbivore into the game to forcibly change people's mind about how it can work.
harsh silo
I play both from time to time, I'd love a aquatic/semi aquatic mid herbi
valid zephyr
not every player will like every animal.
I hate alberto, I hate titanboa, I hate rex. They're all playables that are either the dullest sounding things ever, or I hate playing.
I still want there animals as I know others love them.
odd sundial
ashen elm
trikes walks by with Utah kabobs on it's horns
Whaddya say?
harsh silo
Like, it's amazing to me, that's all
odd sundial
Pachy main exposed
harsh silo
v a r i e t y = g o o d
ashen elm
Yes i agree 👌
harsh silo
it ain't hard to understand, let both sides have it, it brings positive things to both sides, more prey options, more gameplay variety
strange wave
so nocturnal herbis is almost guaranteed, venom herbivores... oro with venomous spur when, herbi fliers is eh, and aquatics and semi aquatics also have a lot of options
harsh silo
did i ever mention a venom herbi?
odd sundial
Tupan when
ashen elm
When BoB has large playable sauropods and semi-aquatic herbivores but the Isle can't. if only it didn't have such bad animations
strange wave
no but jenkens loves to bring them up
harsh silo
odd sundial
When BoB has large playable sauropods and semi-aquatic herbivores but the Isle can't.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
harsh silo
unless they figure smth out then I don't see poison herbies happening
valid zephyr
tupan is an omnivore.
the fact that there are only two omnis is an entire different topic.
blazing charm
Remember, if it broke. Just give it good night vison or something, idfk
odd sundial
And bobs water environment is way scarier than the isle
strange wave
nah, give oro a venomous spur in its foot so when it kicks things they hallucinate
random imp
Herbies are not exciting to play as because in the past they did not even have te resources/capacity to develop complex mechanics. All this crying about "herbies not being as good as carni" is getting tiring and ripetitive. Herbies will have unique and interesting gameplay, just stop insisting and asking every fucking day about herbie gameplay, only because in the past herbies were treated in a way it does not mean they'll continue to be ignored in the future. Writing in suggestion 30 times in a day " to give herbies interesting mechanics and biomes because carni have more interesting gameplay". Devs know that and insisting is only annoying.
valid zephyr
because wanting a varied and rich nocturnal environment is so awful?
where i come from, every animal is nocturnal.
harsh silo
nah salva u don't get it, but muh carni needs to have a lot of playstyles
blazing charm
And bobs water environment is way scarier than the isle
Almost as if it's scary for the wrong reasons, literally the reasons those two types of creatures work is because of god-awful balancing and mechanics.
visual urchin
cant help but feel like venemous herbivore should be reserved for something with quils that can get stuck in things trying to chew it
not taco per se but
harsh silo
because wanting a varied and rich nocturnal environment is so awful?
Imagine wanting a night that has something that isn't a dilo
ashen elm
I mean, the whining is essential cuz otherwise herbis would've just been AI. ty Vega
harsh silo
pf, blasphemy
I need dilos only during the nights
so I can cry about them later because they kill me
odd sundial
Yes wanting more herbi playstyles is annoying thanks for the info salva
valid zephyr
salva your answer of 'the devs will make everything perfect' to every complaint anyone raises ever gets tiresome.
harsh silo
it's just variety for both sides
random imp
Shem thay is not what i wrote lol. Read it again slowly.
harsh silo
i don't get why it's such a big deal
feral wedge
Also, BoB has absurdly scaling statistics in many facets of their game and large oceanic predators.
odd sundial
I did
blazing charm
Only reason Lurdusaurus works in that game is because it can just charge into Mosasaurs like the Iron Giant.
visual urchin
very rough around the edges
ashen elm
I think the scaling hurts BoB not helps it, but they still make those dinosaurs work.
Those Mosa (or any marine reptiles) should really not be coming inland at all.
random imp
salva your answer of 'the devs will make everything perfect' to every complaint anyone raises ever gets tiresome.
@valid zephyr did not say that, i wrote that the devs already KNOW that herbivore playstyles are boring compared to carnivore's
valid zephyr
yes and kissen confirmed that was intentional. the lack of niches compered to carnis.
random imp
And writing everyday about it is not gonna speed up the process
valid zephyr
i'm not complaining about the amount of effort put into herbis. we're getting a ton of new herbis.
the issue most are clone AI fodder
ashen elm
It creates visibility. I think complaining definitely has it's limits, but it's not uneffective.
There's a feedback channel for a reason.
harsh silo
just give herbies other gameplay, it's like evrima will drop and everything except herbies will change
random imp
Jenkens, you have the tentency to understand stuff that is not written, just like the " confirmed roster" message we talked about some hours ago
valid zephyr
ashen elm
strange wave
never said it would happen in the future
random imp
That message foes not mean what you wrote lol
harsh silo
yes it does?
strange wave
just said that they know about the imbalance
harsh silo
what the hell?
random imp
It means that the shitty code prevented conolex herbie gameplay
odd sundial
Yes it does
random imp
Complex
harsh silo
"u know who's responsible for the imbalance"
ashen elm
To be fair, I think Beip was meant as a token herbivore semi-aquatic but omnivore just makes more sense.
odd sundial
And where did you know that the code is responsible
valid zephyr
that was me talking about new animals. not in the past.
random imp
Is a clear reference to Deathly's mess
harsh silo
salva
barren zephyr
Salva, all the mentioned things in that message will come with new code (except for nocturnal)
odd sundial
No it isn’t but okay
ashen elm
barren zephyr
it has nothing to do with old code
harsh silo
dondi is a carni only supporter
odd sundial
Your just assuming things now
harsh silo
if kissen and another dev (don't remember who) weren't on the team the isle would be carnivore only/mostly
strange wave
"u know who's responsible for the imbalance"
@harsh silo never said it would happen in the future, EVER, it simply stats that dondi was against herbivore niches then because it was tough to make them unique in the old game
valid zephyr
the modern new choices of herbi are not related to the code being redone
ashen elm
If Isle was Primal Carnage pt 2, even with speculator graphics, I would never play it. Gross
harsh silo
never said it would happen in the future, EVER, it simply stats that dondi was against herbivore niches then because it was tough to make them unique in the old game
@strange wave and now we're trying to get niches/variety into the herbie side and everyone rejects it so what's the point
random imp
Meh, lets agree to disagree
harsh silo
right 
random imp
And i am fully a supporter for more herbie niches, just to be fair
blazing charm
It's almost as if the new choices are all small and lack any major impact because they're trying to build the ecosystem from the ground up and act as food. And once that foundation has been set, the more capable creatures can come.
Actually no, grr herbivores opressed carnivores bad
strange wave
^
odd sundial
Just had a stroke brb
harsh silo
once the foundation has been set more capable creatures can come
Deino and spino: Yeah hello
harsh silo
what's the theri's niche
ashen elm
I mean the first two animals people complained a lot because they took forvever to confirm
strange wave
oh and shant, one that has alot of backing as a semi aquatic herbivore
ashen elm
More complaining for Shant to be a thing
strange wave
what's the theri's niche
@harsh silo unknown because we are getting the full story of theri development
ashen elm
90% of the time it's uphill battle to confirm herbivores.
harsh silo
and any guesses?
like when u suggest a dino and think of a possible niche it could fill?
damn.. right?
valid zephyr
we have every dino on the roster and no more planned now.
we're complaining as we know it's not coming, and won't ever
odd sundial
Can you name more bork?
strange wave
pelagornis
ashen elm
I still have hope they aren't done yet. Especially if they still want to add more aquatic and flyers
blazing charm
That statements going to age like milk.
odd sundial
Wasn’t that already said to be in the roster
valid zephyr
yeah some big herbis like stego and anky are coming later. but that's not what's being asked for
would carni fans be happy without spino, deino, dilo, troodon, or anything else which varied from fast and bite or slow and bite? land only, daytime only
strange wave
yeah some big herbis like stego and anky are coming later. but that's not what's being asked for
@valid zephyr you ask for more herbi niche diversity such as nocturnals and aquatics, carnivore have 2 aquatics, many options are already there as both nocturnal herbivores and semi aquatics
ashen elm
?
valid zephyr
carnis have 3 aquatics
strange wave
no
valid zephyr
spino, deino, and titan
strange wave
spino doesn't count as one
ashen elm
What nocturnal herbivores or semi-aquatics do we have?
odd sundial
Why not bork
strange wave
spino is an atv
valid zephyr
an atv herbi would be fine.
strange wave
its not locked to water sources
an atv herbi would be fine.
@valid zephyr now give one name that could fill that niche
ashen elm
Spino is semi-aquatic yes...
harsh silo
I'm actually getting lost with this
valid zephyr
like how hard is copy and pasting troodons NV onto dryo?
but people actively don't want nocturnal herbis
ashen elm
Any.
We have to monsterify Spino to get ATV Spino.
strange wave
dryo is losing the burrow
strange wave
high chance of becoming nocturnal
harsh silo
I mean, we've yet to know who'll be able to burrow
strange wave
quite a few herbivores have a chance to be nocturnal animals
odd sundial
Dryo loses burrowing.
Devs: let’s give it to a carnivore
harsh silo
pretty much ^^
strange wave
what
ashen elm
I mean, yes, quite a few herbivores could be nocturnal but until they are confirmed we still have 0.
sudden hinge
@barren zephyr I think cera will work fine against low tiers and what it’ll be intended for post recode but I think in groups ceras should still be able to function hunting larger game
harsh silo
but dryo lost burrowing not because it'll get something else, because "they've yet to decide who'll get it with the new roster and who won't"
dryo could still get burrowing back
so like
odd sundial
Watch when mono gets burrowing
compact coyote
its a weird thought to think about when you imagine a horse sized bipedal dinosaur creating a "burrow"
at that point its a cave
ashen elm
Mono Dilo clone is kinda upsetting ngl.
valid zephyr
imo any environment should have a mix of herbis and carnis. you don't get carni only environments irl
visual urchin
always
ashen elm
Not mass wise, just length wise
blazing charm
Yeah, it's suprisingly big.
visual urchin
its just hard to get the actual scale of the animals when you have no humans and barely any human structures
dryo could kick your ass
valid zephyr
hell i'll be happy if minmi can swim underwater, but kissen confirmed it's no semi aquatic, just lives near water.
aka like teno
barren zephyr
Dryo got burrow because it was the smallest playable iirc
They wanted oro or taco to have it first, but went with the smallest playable
strange wave
imo any environment should have a mix of herbis and carnis. you don't get carni only environments irl
@valid zephyr ... not carni only but carnivore dominated ecosystems exist
barren zephyr
That doesnt mean we should have one in TI
visual urchin
flaming cliffs formation got me actin' strange
ashen elm
Velo? 
odd sundial
Idk if you’ve done basic biology but ecosystems need to have a stable balance of each side. If there was a carnivore dominated ecosystem then eventually the herbivores would be wiped out leaving the carnivores with nothing to eat
turbid glade
atleast dinos cant bite through stones and objects anymore
ashen elm
they will lick them instead
visual urchin
niche partitioning kicks in when theres too many carnivores
strange wave
Idk if you’ve done basic biology but ecosystems need to have a stable balance of each side. If there was a carnivore dominated ecosystem then eventually the herbivores would be wiped out leaving the carnivores with nothing to eat
@odd sundial deep ocean
harsh silo
the The Isle PUBG™️ vibes are strong rn
valid zephyr
the isle isn't the deep ocean...
sudden hinge
What’s the debate?
strange wave
i never said it was
harsh silo
u are asking for realisitc enviroments now when we have the spino?
odd sundial
What about the deep ocean?
harsh silo
What about the deep ocean?
@odd sundial carni dominant ecosystems
but muh carni basically
strange wave
What about the deep ocean?
@odd sundial a much broader diversity of carnivores over herbivores
valid zephyr
i mean the isle could function with 0 herbis and just carnis eating each other technically
ashen elm
Viable semi-aquatic herbivores into more herbivore niche diverisity
compact coyote
grass
odd sundial
But in the deep ocean don’t the carnivores eat eachother
harsh silo
it's not like islands have vegetation
ashen elm
The Isle without herbivores is just Primal Carnage 🤮
barren zephyr
herbivores tend to be more sustainable in ecosystem
harsh silo
and ya'll compare that to an island filled with vegetation
barren zephyr
because eating grass/plants doesnt take as much energy as constantly trying to kill something
barren zephyr
risking being injured
harsh silo
barren zephyr
because injuries are costly in nature
strange wave
i never compared the deep ocean to the isle
harsh silo
we're talking about ecosystems
aren't we?
it's a legit question
because if we are, it seems like the deep ocean floor is being compared to an island filled with vegetation
barren zephyr
at that point compare mount everest to a beach 
harsh silo
and if u ask me an island with a lot of vegetation has a lot of both herbivores and carnivores that hunt them
yeah
like
hello?
odd sundial
I guess he’s gone lol
harsh silo
I mean
strange wave
hmm
paper oriole
Is he going to find an example of a non insect or deep aquatic ecosystem where carnivores vastly outnumber herbivores without strict human intervention?
odd sundial
Is he going to find an example of a non insect or deep aquatic ecosystem where carnivores vastly outnumber herbivores without strict human intervention?
Thisssssssss^^^^^^^^
strange wave
again i NEVER FUCKING SAID I WAS FINDING ONE LIKE THAT
i just gave an example of an ecosystem where carnivores are more diverse than herbivores
barren zephyr
We are talking about ecosystem on a tropical island with lush vegetation.
harsh silo
but again, speaking of ecosystems
barren zephyr
Where such ecosystem doesnt make sense
harsh silo
a tropical island has NOTHING in common with that
and herbies are more plentyful and varied than on the sea floor, for obvious reasons
strange wave
and i never compared it to the isle at all
harsh silo
omg
who says a tropical island is the isle
we're talking about ecosystems, the isle was never in question
we're talking about deep sea floor and a tropical island and the herbivore population on both
strange wave
it seems your talking to me with that
harsh silo
well, the herbi-carni population on both actually
??????????????
what
we're all talking to you
it seems
odd sundial
I mean there was 2 other people here talking to sev
And I don’t remember your name being mentioned
So...
strange wave
harsh silo
uhm ok?
valid zephyr
even then it's 'more diverse' then herbis
harsh silo
I responded him and moved on to the ecosystem thing
valid zephyr
not herbis don't physically exist there
harsh silo
which means moved on to talking to you to see if u have a coutnerpoint, that's how discussions work
harsh silo
also true
or it seemed that way at least
like, we were talking about ecosystems, obviously the isle was involved due to the herbi variety talk, you brought up the deep ocean floor ecosystem with mostly carnivores, which is that way due to obvious reasons, barely any vegetation lives down there, I brought up the tropical island and I asked what the deep ocean floor and island have in common while speaking about ecosystems and herbivore variety and population, like what's the issue
we just moved from a mostly isle talk to a small topic (ecosystems) that would later on hop into the isle herbi talk to continue speaking about herbies getting variety
odd sundial
Literally ^
turbid glade
@runic rune what i know is that in group you get less dmg from you group members
runic rune
I know, but like the option to remove it entirely is what I mean
turbid glade
@barren zephyr utah can with recode
@runic rune i think there alot of things to turn off and on
strange wave
not turning though
barren zephyr
Just Utah tho?
turbid glade
we dont know about the others
barren zephyr
Hmm okay
turbid glade
but we will get more information with evrima release
barren zephyr
Only a week left 😭
left nacelle
Utahraptor will most likely be the only one, which makes sense. Austroraptor will mainly be eating fish, so it won't have a reason to latch onto stuff. Allo will be getting a grapple attack, which will be using the same code as utah's pounce tho. So I guess you could count that
@barren zephyr
barren zephyr
That’s true. Since you said Austros wil be eating fish maybe they could be coded to pick a fish up.
@left nacelle ^
left nacelle
They will
sudden hinge
I wouldn’t mind troodon and velo getting a pounce as well
left nacelle
All carnivores can fish, but some are better at it than others. If you grab a fish, you'll hold it in your mouth
sudden hinge
I think it would make sense for troodon and velo to be able to pounce on things as well obviously to a smaller scale
Like troodon not jumping on the side of a rex
left nacelle
Yeah maybe velo could get one. But I don't think troodon should. I can see it pouncing, but I think it already has the venom thing going for it
I keep forgetting we have 3 dromaeosaurs in the game. I always forget about velo
barren zephyr
Velo getting a pounce would be cool but itd have to be reasonable. Like you wouldn’t see a velo pounce on something as big as a Trike or something
left nacelle
Yeah Dondi said a long time ago about Velo pouncing babies
barren zephyr
My bad then
left nacelle
At the time it wasn't possible tho because of problems with growth
sudden hinge
Pouncing wouldn’t buff the troodon too much tho i feel like because pouncing is like still a skilled based thing and if you mess it up you are in for a world of hurt
left nacelle
Yeah, but I don't think it really needs it, unlike utah
barren zephyr
They are a different class of raptor their toe claw being smaller than a dromaeosaurs claw so maybe a pounce wouldn’t really help
left nacelle
Plus they have venom already
turbid glade
they just bite in the legs in its dead
sudden hinge
I guess I just think it’d be a cool thing that all the raptors could have
To differing degrees
turbid glade
i think they have different fight methods
dreamy wharf
I don't think changing the color of the iridescence should be a thing as well as the 500 times thing, but, I do like the idea of cosmetic unlockables so players who have progressed as an elder can show or represent the fact that they've done so.
strange wave
@barren zephyr dont ask in suggestions
barren zephyr
Okay my bad where should I ask then
covert birch
general chat prolly
strange wave
general discussion is probably the best place
indigo sun
They cant really release the hypers, unless you mean a few devs hopping on as hypers or somethin @robust badge
paper oriole
some devs starting on officials, then mowing through all active servers mass KOSing with hypers right before the release of recode would be pretty fun
indigo sun
yeah that'd be neat
naive turret
Then almost everyone gets the chance to see them in game
robust badge
it would be a farewell to old the isle, being able to play hype to have fun.
indigo sun
People couldnt play as hypers, but I'm sure a few of the devs could go around as them for a night before they get the update out
sudden hinge
I wouldn’t mind that as a farewell to the old isle
covert birch
PErsonally prefer the ability ideas dondi said for dryo
Which were giving it the best senses ingame (which nightvision does fall over)
And making it get a speed boost near preds
Dont like the idea of direct cross species communication, no matter how small the animal
viral creek
Your opinion is fine. However
I think the speed boost near preds thing is not a good idea
covert birch
Speed boost near preds works in the manner if it was only activated once the dryo takes damage
Ofc speed boost just passively happening near preds is a big no
Also dryo has a full access to a shitton of food diets so its can be buddy buddy with many animals
"Dryo > Senses travel further than other dinosaurs of his size
Dryo > Taking damage or being in the vicinity of predators causes him to panic, increasing his speed and removing his stamina drain for a short while.
Dryo will be able to take full advantage of a variety of dietary food."
paper oriole
dryosaurus cant take damage from 80% of carnis without being mortally wounded or oneshot even with the new roster lol
covert birch
with the new roster it can survive quite a few carnis
paper oriole
his speed boost would just let him run a bit further before bleed depletes his stam
viral creek
Also just curious but
What's wrong with the cross species chat suggestion?
Cause just saying "I don't like it" won't help me improve anything
covert birch
What's wrong with the cross species chat suggestion?
Personally not a fan of it.
Prefer the idea of players using what theyve learned ingame as a method to communicate cross species
Like for example a carno learns a herra can dig up burrows, he waits for it to do that and then kills the thing he dug up
Or a maia learnt that the dryo when all run into their burrow 4 calling they know somethins up
Being able to just say it to eachother kinda ruins those oh shit maybe somethings wrong, or those oh shit i can use this situations imo
And while ik discord exists n such which nullifies that too, its not as commonly used as you;d think
I mean, dryo burrow is possibly being removed
Plus every animal is gonna be getting unique abilities
I mean its gonna be getting a good nv prolly since dondi said
"Dryo > Senses travel further than other dinosaurs of his size"
hearing idk
but maybe heightended render distance of dinos maybe
Dondi did say he wanted some kinda sight specific for each dinos system (such as rex only seeing movement) could play into that
Cuz jp
he said it would be cool
that was one of the examples he gave
He also mentioned some herbis only seeing some colors
I mean, the whole idea would add more differences between dinos
Like an animal with a bad eyesight can possibly get a super sniff which lets em smell dinos or something
He just spitballed the idea he liked tho so idk if its gonna be implemented
dont see it turning out to well personally
Doubt people would play dinos with bad eyesights unless they had some extremely good tradeoffs
viral creek
Keep in mind, several animals will be given their own exclusive unique abilties
The reason the night vision is the best in the game, is so we don't have those annoying shithead dilos just pacing around everywhere being perfectly safe.
Dilos kill everything
vast wolf
dilo is a snack if you know what your doing.
vast wolf
dilos are quite slow ngl
vast wolf
39kmp and pachy utah maia and carno are all faster than them and can easily kill them.
covert birch
If ya get a single bite on utah, you can move sporadically and itll bleed out before ya die
also thats what i meant by large groups
vast wolf
you usually need about 9 to kill one on a server that has alt turn aka a real server.
covert birch
8+ imo works
depending on the skill of both parties ofc
Gharial, you can still solo rexs on alt turn servers
literally 8 bites
vast wolf
i can never kill utahs as dilo and a lone dilo can never escape from me if it has no ambush.
viral creek
@covert birch
I honestly think you're missing the point of that particular ability. It's not exclusively an alert of danger tool.
It is also a way for dryo to help his herd do other tasks like find food at a distance, since he's really fast. Without having to 1 call and alert everyone in the area.
And the main point of the ability is for fun. The goal of the suggestion is not only to make him more useful, but to draw in more players to dryo, so there is a larger population of small prey items. There is a massive chunk of the community who loved chatting with other herbivores in herds, and I know dondi will never bring back the system as a whole. So the least we could do is apply it to a specific creature. Doing so will attract a decent potion of social loving players to an otherwise underappreciated animal.
covert birch
I get its not just an alert tool and that it can be used for other things like food
But personally just like the idea of players needing to know/learn certain signs which may provide them benefit as a way to communicate with others. And i get that itll make it more fun for those who enjoy mass herds who love talkin to one another, but this can bring both issues and I think removes one of the coolest aspects of the game which is reacting based on how other players act. I always love using "hints" shown by other players to know what my next move is, such as seeing those 5 dryos runnin from the woods thinkin "ah shit there must be a big bad there they runnin from" and for the whole alert for food thing, a simple f call will do.
Plus dryo (from personal experience at least) isnt as underappreciated as other animals such as galli or maia (who ik is op but it aint to common to see outside of officials/no-rules)
Also the whole alert food is here thing may not be as good depending on how diet systems work and even then a simple 2 call or f call can do just that.
viral creek
F call and 2 call for food will not be a reliable cue without context.
covert birch
Also maybe wouldnt be the best option on dryo possibly due to the scouting potential it has for speed (at least compared to other animals which this can also benefit)
covert birch
Never used galli as a food beacon
Normally use like dryos as stated before
Also you see a bunch of dryos run into the woods, you hear 1 f call then a bunch of movement after towards that f call
You can either A: assume they found food, B: assume something else they found, C: assume a preds there and gtfo
Adds more player agency (idk if thats the right word) which is great in games
dreamy wharf
God I fucking hate Acro.
wraith breach
Why
They will look badass after some rework
They still are cool just need some rework
dreamy wharf
Regardless of looks, it's an animal that's hard to work with.
Since we have giga, it's very hard to come up with a unique enough gimmick for it to work with.
Ontop of that, thinking of one that's fun.
It's defining features damn it as it's really just got a weird back.
Beyond that it's just a smaller giga with a weird droopy face.
wraith breach
Giga is clearly different
covert birch
In appearance
It's similar in niche
covert birch
Appearance doesnt matter, both animals function pretty similarly
eternal owl
Wasn't it theorised that an Acro's hump might have stored fatty tissue like a camel hump?
wraith breach
And it's bigger than acro
covert birch
There were some gimick ideas of acro using its weight and tackling stuff
dreamy wharf
That just makes it into a bigger allo.
wraith breach
Giga runs slow while acro runs fast
dreamy wharf
Considering Allo is the only grappling it.
eternal owl
Acro is currently just a speedy Giga
covert birch
I mean
Most animals are grappling
dreamy wharf
Actually, considering Acro's size he'd be slower.
wraith breach
I've played as giga but never as acro