not for other players who just put down a nest and get to respawn as your babies
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
lusty stratus
I get where you guys are coming from, but im not saying "everyone gets guaranteed free game breaking infinite respawns to attack the player that just killed you with" lol.
That would definitely have to not be a thing, which is feasible.
barren zephyr
still even one respawn is enough
If youre dead, youre dead. There should be no second chance from that, unless you grow fairly and meet said player in the future if that even happened.
lusty stratus
but people do it on private servers all the time. veteran players are sick of the juvie stage and just buy full grown dinos. And that doesnt even kill the survival feel. People are tired of 3+ hours of useless bush growing time. The novelty of "growing in a dangerous world as a baby" wore off for most regulars long ago. I think giving a way to shave off some of that useless time when you are fully grown and have no end game anymore would be a great answer
barren zephyr
The devs dont LIKE that behavior and are going to crack down on it.
lusty stratus
I would LOVE for that to happen TBH lol, but I've not heard them confirm they are doing away with dino-profile editing yet.
barren zephyr
Also this update is going to be HUGE where we will already be getting grow buffs to stop afk growing and more stuff to do for players to enjoy.
shell roost
Veteran players/regulars are sick of it but that doesn't mean new players dont want to experience it. If you liked it at some point, it's likely that new players will too.
lusty stratus
The point though.... is that people are kind of tired as playing something useless for several hours
barren zephyr
Thats why you just kill yourself (your dinosaur) and start over.
lusty stratus
I liked it for the first couple months. Then i wanted progression back lol
@barren zephyr that sucks lol. thats not a great fix for the issue
shell roost
I guess it would depend on the dinosaur's juvie time
barren zephyr
The evrima update is going to be completely different, so I wouldnt talk about the game right now at all since everything is about to change.
shell roost
Can't be too long or too short but that doesnt mean it should be removed entirely.
lusty stratus
@shell roost that could be balanced accordingly for this specific mechanic
I'm pretty sure the growth times are going to be similar after Evrima. They haven't said otherwise as far as i'm aware
barren zephyr
there will be growings buffs if you dont afk grow and do certain quests
itd help
Plus it will take longer if you do afk grow.
Also they are making juvies faster so they can keep up with adults and arent just walking ant.
lusty stratus
I guess we shall see xD
I like they are trying to address bush growth. But i feel like the growth buff thing kind of misses the point of most players dont care about juvie growth game play after their 10th or so try.
barren zephyr
Alot of people dont like juvie stage right now. I wouldnt use how the game is right now to look about the game in the future. With side quests to do I am sure they people may care about it a little more and such. However even then its still the point of the game, starting off and trying to make it in the big open world. Itll get frustrating for anybody but just because of that they shouldnt get a free skip of that stage.
Just gotta wait and see.
lusty stratus
Its not about frustration though. Its the lack of interest. No amount of side quests is going to make me interested in playing Juvie. Even if it takes twice as long, I'll still bush grow while doing something that interests me.
barren zephyr
Getting a free ride to the sub stage is just unfair. I will stand by that. Alot of people still love the game and growing even as a juvie, (even now when the game is literally just so bad to play). Its your fault if you still decide to afk grow and stuff like that but just because you are too lazy to actually play the game does not mean, again you should get a free ride. There is alot of stuff being added to make the game more rewarding in all stages and if you dont even give that a try, well its your fault. Like I said we should wait and see how the game turns out after this/
left nacelle
Sooo... you're gonna sit there for like 10+ hours?
mellow seal
personally i like the juvi stage simply because most people take pity on them and help raise them (besides gallis. gallis will only kick you.)
barren zephyr
^ plus the juvie stage is kind of cute being small.
left nacelle
Juvies are gonna be a lot more fun in EVRIMA. If you afk grow it's gonna take a very long time and you'll be at a disadvantage against other animals cause your stats will be worse
barren zephyr
Like bluebird said, they will be alot of fun. If you decide to not even try the game its your fault, dont let your own bias of the game right now cloud the fact that you should give the game a try when it updates.
mellow seal
a more interactive experience and it goes by faster
barren zephyr
Mhm, im sure there will be alot more things to come for juvies even after the release
left nacelle
Plus it's gonna be a lot harder to tell when you're not a juvy anymore
lusty stratus
@barren zephyr it’s not a lazy thing. It’s a playing something I don’t like playing thing. I don’t care about the “cute” factor. And again, it obviously could NOT be a free ride or it wouldn’t work. Maybe they will make juvies fun. I like that you have faith in the devs. But maybe they don’t have it figured out yet and they need ideas like these 
lilac swallow
When juvies are actual playables instead of being anchored to the ground playing juvie wouldnt be a torture
left nacelle
What makes you think they don't have it figured out yet?
Not showing us =/= Not having it figured out
barren zephyr
If you dont like playing it go play sandbox and play a easy to grow dinosaur... Lmao. Its a part of the game that you cant get rid of.
left nacelle
^^
honest sparrow
idk, I personally really enjoy playing juvie rex
lilac swallow
Juvies trots keeping with adults is already a good start
barren zephyr
They have already introduced alot of stuff that will make shit more fun already also if you followed on any of their updates.
lilac swallow
Juvie Rex is like the exception
barren zephyr
tearing gore from bodies also so you can steal shit
left nacelle
Being faster already makes them 5x more fun on it's own
lilac swallow
Being faster also means they arent dead 100% whenever literally anything sees them across a mile
lusty stratus
@left nacelle your second message was gonna be my response lol. They haven’t said if they have or haven’t figured it out. Maybe they are still trying to figure that aspect out.
@barren zephyr I don’t really need to explain that there is probably a happy middle ground right? Like obviously I don’t like playing sandbox FFS 
barren zephyr
Okay and but there is no middle ground. The game is to spawn in as a baby and try to make your way to adult. What middle ground is in there?
left nacelle
I'd be surprised if they didn't have it figured out considering how confident they sounded when saying they'll be more fun. They probably have ideas they haven't had a chance to implement yet
barren zephyr
They could also surprise people with some things in game/
left nacelle
You could also play as a smaller animal that doesn't take very long to grow. Like dryo or galli
barren zephyr
Only thing to know is to explore and while youre a juvie its the perfect time for that as you should be running around anyways.
lusty stratus
So you think that the game wont be fun anymore without forcing people to play as something they don’t want to play for extreme time periods? I’m sure they have already done a lot of work towards a happy middle ground... come on
barren zephyr
If you dont want to play a dinosaur, drown yourself and play someone else.
Pick a fight with someone.
lusty stratus
think your gonna disagree with whatever I say tbh lol
barren zephyr
Im telling you what I think about what you say.
You may not like it but I gave you my feedback on what would happen if they implement respawning as that AI and so on, you not liking juvie stage, so on.
left nacelle
Being a juvy is part of the gameplay. If you don't like that, your only other options are to sit in a bush for hours and hours and have shitty stats when you do eventually grow, or play sandbox
barren zephyr
exactly
there are other games if you dont like the idea of being a juvie either. However if you give Evrima a chance there may be something you will enjoy as a juvie. They got alot planned, even in the future. Dont turn down the game just because of you not enjoying it right now.
lusty stratus
thats my point though. it would be nice to have other options to work towards. I dont want to sit in a bush, and please dont even mention sandbox again lol
left nacelle
Why should there be options tho? Just seems like a waste of time on the devs' part
barren zephyr
They will have much more to do in Evrima as I said before.
lusty stratus
Its still better than to genuinely play as a juvie though. And its sometimes even more successful
barren zephyr
Yuh. It also takes the key factor of the game.. trying to grow up as a baby dinosaur in a big world.
left nacelle
You could always play an animal that has a short juvy stage. You playing animals that take hours to grow is on you. Plus the new animals won't even take long to grow probably. Since they're all so small
Except deino and megalania
lusty stratus
I think you two are kind of missing the point because you guys really like playing as juvie lol, but maybe the devs are still needing a way to add depth and options. I'm certain they could work out all the concerns you two listed, and without breaking the game. But again, the respawn thing was just one aspect of the suggestion. Really just having a way to nest Ai babus that would follow you would be really neat. It certainly has added to the survival feel of games that pulled it off well and didn't take away from or break them.
left nacelle
I don't like playing juvy tho lol
barren zephyr
No I am not missing the point. I dont like play juvir myself but its part of the game, and there will be alot more to do as a juvie. Youre the one who is refusing to give the game update a chance with behavior such as I will still afk grow.
Youre being completely biased.
All the things that I have listed and such on would be a huge pain to do also. I dont think is worth implementing.
Nesting AI babies, I already said was a good idea.
left nacelle
I'm looking forward to being a juvy in EVRIMA tho, cause of higher speed and more attacks
barren zephyr
^
lusty stratus
I'm not refusing anything. I acknowledged that I'm aware the game could be completely different in that regard and I also said maybe they still need ideas... hence the suggestion.
barren zephyr
Its not about frustration though. Its the lack of interest. No amount of side quests is going to make me interested in playing Juvie. Even if it takes twice as long, I'll still bush grow while doing something that interests me.
youre said could be, when it will be.
lusty stratus
^^^ why i said maybe they need more ideas, because boosting growth with quests won't do it for me.
barren zephyr
They already have alot of ideas and they have more ideas for the future.
lusty stratus
^^^ not confirmed.
barren zephyr
sigh, it is confirmed. A lot of stuff for being juvie will be more fun, (walking faster, growth buffs, different animations like wallowing, moving pieces of gore off bodies (stealing), denser trees to blend in and easier to catch prey as a juvie... different scenery). All of those things benefit juvies.
They are also thinking about a spawning system so you can meet up with your friends easier when you first spawn in. It wont come for a while but thats there.
lusty stratus
But they are clearly open to ideas...... or there wouldn't be a suggestions channel lol.
barren zephyr
Yeah. They are open to ideas but your suggestion didnt help it make it more fun to be a juvie.
Nothing suggests being juvie more fun.
left nacelle
That doesn't mean they don't have ideas tho. The suggestions channel wasn't created because they don't have juvy ideas lol
barren zephyr
Mhm.
left nacelle
The suggestions channel has been here for years
lusty stratus
I didnt say it doesnt mean they have no ideas.. FFS guys this is dumb. Thanks for the input. Moving along.
left nacelle
I do like your suggestion tho
scarlet flame
Chickens are modern-day rexes
indigo sun
Locational damage is planned afaik
honest sparrow
^
covert birch
@tame turret dinos will be spawning near where they prefer to live now
So like suchos/deinos will spawn around a source of water
Also they mentioned juvis when spawning will get airdropped in via lil cages
random imp
V3 will disappear in 2 weeks
loud vine
covert birch
This for pachy wen
left nacelle
Would be cool for pachy to have the ability to scale steeper slopes than other dinosaurs
paper oriole
i know what that suggestion is saying but like damn that sorta hurt to read
strange wave
up voting your own suggestion 
left nacelle
@void sundial Pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs, the only flying dinosaurs that have ever existed are birds. Also, don't upvote your own suggestion
And the dinosaurs lying down do get cleaned by the animal isn't a very good suggestion. Cause then the dinosaur would have to go out of it's way to lie down and get cleaned. Which would just be annoying
covert birch
Dondi said there will be an emote where like a lil bird comes in to clean the teeth of something
left nacelle
Oh yeah I forgot about that
Well that pretty much invalidates the whole suggestion then lol
mellow seal
a truck for trees wym
left nacelle
Well no duh, but like... for what 
mellow seal
they gotta get around somehow
whole root
wait off topic but for a suggestion what about the carno getting a bit of a damage buff? 😳😳
whole root
I mean-
left nacelle
The whole game is changing
whole root
true
whole root
yes-
mellow seal
carno can 2-3 shot utah
left nacelle
Devs said about carno doing more damage at higher speeds, but that was a couple years ago
mellow seal
1 if its a younger adult
whole root
i main carno too(if GeForce now worked again) and i feel like their bite force is inaccurate
whole root
o right
left nacelle
Well the animals in game aren't meant to be accurate
neat beacon
i main dilo
whole root
well still-
mellow seal
freaky night boy
whole root
i main carno and dilo 😎
neat beacon
im gremlin
mellow seal
grem
whole root
yes
mellow seal
#1 herbi is para
left nacelle
Some bite forces need to be inaccurate to make the ecosystem work, cause not all these creatures lived together
mellow seal
#1 carni is cerato/carno
whole root
yeahh
left nacelle
Cerato 
whole root
but the carno should probably be at at least 250n, because it cant possibly have the same bite as a utah 😔
left nacelle
I want new cerato. The bearded vulture + hyena Cerato
mellow seal
most of the dinos were never able to even know the other existed irl since they lived in completely different periods or in completely different areas
left nacelle
The time between stego's time period and rex's is more than the difference between rex's time period and ours
Stego was more ancient to a rex than a rex is to us, in other words
void sundial
Do you like my idea?😟
left nacelle
@void sundial Dondi said there will be an emote in game where a bird flies down and picks your teeth, so the suggestion is kinda unnecessary
strange wave
@left nacelle it was a miss type on your suggestion
left nacelle
Oh?
strange wave
"trees trucks should change color where the waterline"
left nacelle
Fixed it lol
mellow seal
trees trucks
left nacelle
I am horrible at typing Thanks
mellow seal
i wanted my trucks bro
void sundial
i speak Spanish and late days to translate this, just tell me if you like my idea
daring sierra
How was my suggestion for homolo?
left nacelle
@void sundial The idea isn't necessary. There will be an emote where a bird comes and cleans your teeth
void sundial
Ok
strange wave
@barren zephyr i know what you mean, but... i cant get the image of a magy climbing up a tree with its neck and tail out of my head
barren zephyr
Guys are there any news about new interresting biomes like deserts and such coming after the release of evrima.
paper oriole
Why make 2 suggestions about falling animation in a row when the second one is just a straight up “give fall animations” lol
sudden hinge
@barren zephyr the new map is going to be amazing but there’s only so many biomes they can go with on tropical islands my man
barren zephyr
@jade schooner Your first part of the suggestion, just no. Can be completely abused. Run forever? Dondi wants to make the game a stamina battle, once your out of stamina, you are done but being able to run forever will completely demolish that and just be able to fuck somebody. Kinda broken. Even since if you are coordinated you can use that to an advantage into a fight (even with the stumbles if you have a pack). It will be even easier to get from the first part of your suggestion as hunger/thirst drains even more as it goes. I guess the visual thing could be alright but everything else in my opinion would just not work and be either super unplayable and super unbalanced/unfair.
Visual stuff can work and im not too sure of nesting and what they are doing with it but I think the idea is 👍
on that
sudden hinge
I wouldn’t say your done if you run out of stam it’s not like you’ll keel over if you go to zero it’ll just mean you have no means to defend yourself
barren zephyr
Of course it wont be your "done" out of just stam lmao
Its just yeah no means to defend yourself
But uhhh I do have one question
sudden hinge
Not gunna lie a lot of people were worried that was going to happen XD
barren zephyr
Quiro Im confused on the first part of your suggestion, can you explain like the first paragraph better ?
sudden hinge
Wut le question Bam
barren zephyr
And nah I know it wont be like that,
I was just saying in a fighting stance youre pretty much dead if you have no stam/
since you have no means again to defend yourself or to run
my bad for not clarifying more xd
sudden hinge
With the additive that all attacks use stam every Dino should have the ability to recover stam while standing and it’s all good I just wanted to make sure that’s what you meant
barren zephyr
no def they will recover stam while standing
im 100% they wouldnt take that away unless its for rex again
honestly depends on the dinosaur youre playing, in that area i have no idea what theyd do
sudden hinge
I think that stam regen will be species based but I’m wondering which dinos will be the endurance hunters and which ones will be quick ambush ones
barren zephyr
Im excited to see how they do that since they are trying to make each set of dinosaurs (an d the dinosaur in its self) unique to a playstyle
I think there will be atleast one dinosaur who doesnt get stam back
sudden hinge
It’d have to have a huge stam pool because that would be real shitty if you got caught out with no stam and had no way to recover it before you were attacked
barren zephyr
Yuh true.
sudden hinge
I think that all dinos should be able to recover them standing it’s just like certain ones should recover it slow af so they will have to be smart
barren zephyr
Actually that would be alot better
sudden hinge
Like I think all the apexes should recover stam slower than anything else
barren zephyr
uh huh
yeah thats right
I like that ^
Even since evrima will be really stam based
sudden hinge
It just would make sense since they will be like walking tanks that nothing wants to mess with lol
barren zephyr
true,
sudden hinge
I’m excited that hunts will be based off stam it’ll make hunts more enjoyable and pack hunting will be almost a necessity for all the dinos cera size and smaller
barren zephyr
It will be more skill for sure
Again I dont think Quiros idea would work for that reason and be highly abusable in fights if used well
Youd of course need a team to work with it since the stumble part at the start but yuh
jade schooner
Can be completely abused. Run forever? Dondi wants to make the game a stamina battle, once your out of stamina, you are done but being able to run forever will completely demolish that and just be able to fuck somebody.
@barren zephyr the idea is that it's the last resort. Won't last too long, and that " run forever" would only drain the health faster. It's only meant to get you somewhere as soon as possible. I had also forgotten that combat will have stamina now, so that breaks the whole thing. Thanks for the notice
Also, which first part was confusing?
jade schooner
You know when you're dying of hunger or thirst in the current game blood starts covering the screen
jade schooner
So you never got hungry or thirsty? XD
barren zephyr
But yeah the game will be stam based and just in general the idea doesnt look to fun from a gameplay stand point/ but i do think visual effects could be useful
no sir
i keep myself hydrated and full as can be
xD
jade schooner
These are the lines I meant btw. The reasoning behind the "endless stamina" would be a panic moment were you would just have to run run to somewhere because time is ticking. As herbivore it probably wouldn't reach this point since your only bigger concern now would be thirst (since there's grazing). As a carnivore it would mean the smallest and nearest prey you can get so you can survive and run to water. Or the other way around.
I guess now it makes a little more sense
But since it affects combat, I guess it belongs in trash bin :v
I need sleep
left nacelle
@timid steeple A freshwater meg doesn't make much sense and it would probably have trouble moving through a lot of the swamp. Also this:
left nacelle
I'm not saying a freshwater shark isn't a thing, but Meg would have trouble moving in the lot of the swamp
And why use a Meg when you could use something that actually lived in freshwater?
valid zephyr
my worry is it would just bugger off to the ocean and never interact with a player again. meaning dead player slot.
left nacelle
I just think it would have trouble getting around the swamp, it would be out of place, it would have trouble finding food, and not too many people would play it since it's restricted to water
left nacelle
Yeah, but not all of it, and it won't be restricted to the water. It can leave if it wants
valid zephyr
it's the fact that they would just swim off to the ocean and never be seen again that's the issue
left nacelle
I don't think players would do that tho
valid zephyr
i'm not a fan of full aquatics
as they don't interact with the majority of players in any way, but eat player slots
left nacelle
I'm a fan of full aquatics if they're done right. Swamp Meg just seems random and boring
timid steeple
My evidence is that it did
left nacelle
Katniss I'm pretty sure you're trolling now lol
And joke suggestions can get you in trouble iirc
neat beacon
I'm pretty sure crocodiles will probably be predators to other crocs tbh
left nacelle
Plus Deino will have a lot of stuff to eat. Austros, Suchos, Beipiao, other Deinos, Fish, Barys, and minmi if it actually does get the whole near-water lifestyle I've heard people mention
thorny crag
Lol yeea kill player count. Gud fur gam
left nacelle
Sure Katniss
timid steeple
yes
valid zephyr
AI already has hunger. velos eat
if you follow an AI herbi long enough it eventually starves
left nacelle
@fervent fable Like Jenkins said, AI already has hunger. I've seen herbi AI eat, I've seen velos eat more often tho
woven stump
I don't really find fully aquatic dinosaurs to be a good idea as discussed above. They most likely will swim off to an ocean, and even if we HAD "in land" areas, they'd still be restricted to a small area unlike semi-aquatics. If you want to play as a fully aquatic dino, we might aswell just have servers specified for that. Even if it's not big, then you'd just get killed by semi-aquatics or fish eaters. While everybody else will be on land (including Dieno, as it will have to move from place to place due to unfavorable conditions on land from time to time.) It really just ruins the smaller player count we're being given. There are games for fully aquatic animals. This hopefully won't be that game. Even with some special sort of way of doing things, dieno is just a 10x better alternative. ANY size fully aquatic will be limited to either the ocean (where it just puts even less dinosaurs on the island) or stuck in a specific river or lake that will dry up due to droughts or just be eaten by a dinosaur. Dienosuchus should be the biggest thing in the water, and AI fish are all we need as far as fully aquatic dinos go.
indigo sun
i think any really fully aquatic animals were said to be getting some sort of aquatic map to go with them
covert birch
if your refering to the megalodon suggestion
Its katniss, a person who constantly makes trolly comments
But technically full aquatics will be "playable"
Since you can get injected as fish ai
woven stump
I don't like the idea of fully aquatics being in the game even with their own map, it just makes the devs have to work on both land and sea.
random imp
a fully aquatic biome will come one day, when all the other factions are fully functional
woven stump
"MORE DEVS" wouldn't really fix the problem because those devs could be working on main game isle
@random imp Probably, but that will take awhile, and I mean awhile. I'm talking about in the near future.
indigo sun
they didnt say anything fully aquatic was coming in the near future
random imp
near future we will have almost empty oceans
indigo sun
i think the closest well get is the injectable fish ai people will inevitably want to be
covert birch
100% can see it workin fine
woven stump
Yeah her suggestion is 100% troll
random imp
i believe that there are not even the plants blueprints for ocean
woven stump
"oh you get infection from hypsi and instantly die and cannot join the server again"
as if megaladon could even fit in 90% of the water masses comfortably, and it wouldn't even be a controlled environment they'd just mercessely eat all of the dienos
indigo sun
"swamp meg" shouldve been the first clue that none of that was in any way serious
woven stump
:dondisquint: doesn't mean people agree w/ the idea
indigo sun
it's katniss
woven stump
just making sure they know
indigo sun
its not meant to be something people agree with it's literally a troll suggestion
woven stump
which isn't allowed
indigo sun
then ping a mod
woven stump
why me
indigo sun
cause i dont really care enough to do it
indigo sun
gods can have vacation days
covert birch
Or, just leave it since its already buried
indigo sun
I respond to every other weird or bad suggestion on every other day
woven stump
if you don't find it fun then don't
unless a lot of people agree w/ the stupid suggestion
frosty igloo
@void sundial what game is that it looks fun
left nacelle
@muted fog Not a good idea. Hypers are meant to be constantly hungry and need constant food. Gameplay as a hyper herbivore would just be you eating a bush for hours
muted fog
Then perhaps a different strain than hyper.
indigo sun
aren't herbivores not getting strains period?
indigo sun
pretty sure theyre not getting strains
muted fog
Damn, rip herbs
covert birch
Theyll prolly interact with strain plants
left nacelle
Even if herbs did get other strains, imo it would seem strange for them to get other strains but not the game's "main" strain; Hyperendocrin
muted fog
Yeah, just different strains than the carnivores have.
covert birch
I mean, what strain would they get
muted fog
Idk lol
covert birch
Cuz strains due to being op need something which limits their playtime
Such as hypers with their hunger, and we dont really have any info on tisso nor neuro tho
muted fog
If carnivores have a camaflauge strain then perhaps herbivores can get a speed strain?
left nacelle
I was thinking of an herbivore exclusive strain, but that would involve tampering with the lore and stuff. Just seems like a big headache to me
muted fog
Yeah you're right
barren zephyr
I got one more, Its a disease suggestion. If eat a hypsi you should contract a plague that is airborn and can randomly spread to other players across the map, the second you get it which can happen at any time you die. Speaking of dying, if you die you can NEVER respawn you need to find a new server. This controls overpopulated servers.
@timid steeple
Let's hope you're never a creative director for any game
indigo sun
proto that's so obviously a joke thats its painful
barren zephyr
Yeah lmao
I hope it's a joke man...
they are the same person who said poly count is too low on everything
indigo sun
its KATNISS it is so obviously a troll suggestion. she talked about fuckin swamp meg. those clearly arent serious
barren zephyr
you're right
woven stump
I mean strains were made so people could just massacre everybody with ease and lore, making HERB strains would just make it a strains vs strains thing. There's no need to make a herb strain, it's a really stupid idea. The end 🙂
slate marlin
This probably has been suggested lots recently so I'll ask it here: do you guys think the devs will change the spinosaurus accordingly with the recent new findings of its tail structure?
slate marlin
that'd be cool
slate marlin
talking about the clip >_>
strange wave
ohok
covert birch
IRL spino will not be ingame due to multiple gameplay issues, cost issues, etc
honest sparrow
yut 2 confrimed?!?
indigo sun
well twitch is still a piece of shit so I'll just quote him word for word
covert birch
"Hey guys lets add irl spino even tho we just used a shitton of money on making current spino model"
slate marlin
ok for me
indigo sun
"I'm sure it's gonna change its fucking appearance majorly within the next five years as Jake said which is why there's no point in remaking it"
honest sparrow
"But muh tadpole tail"
slate marlin
Alright, thanks for the clarification
I know this game isn't aiming for full realism but I was just wondering
sacred pasture
Are animals going to have mud all over them after they wallow or mud on their feet when they walk through it? Also will animals actually be WET when getting out of the water?
strange wave
yes on the mud unknown on the water
sacred pasture
I’m pretty sure they’re doing the water thing. It wouldn’t make sense not to
Bc if you get wet when it rains but not when you actually get in water... that’s odd.. idk little details like that I pay attention to
left nacelle
They showed off the water thing in the past when para was first added. Dondi showed a video of a para going into a lake and coming out all shiny and wet. After rain was added, it used the same shader that they used in the para video when it was raining, but it was never implemented for swimming for some reason. Then they realized it looked like you were waaaay too wet when it was raining nad they changed the rain shader to the one being used in the current game.
TLDR: They made an effect where you'd get wet in water, but it was only implemented for when rain was first added but nothing beyond that. So it's safe to assume it will be a thing at some point @sacred pasture
@strange wave And when was it confirmed that animals will be covered in mud when wallowing?
strange wave
it was in relation to the duckweed it was said that ikarop also made something similar with mud
i dont think it was clipped though
left nacelle
Ooooh interesting. I was really hoping that'd be a thing. Glad it will be
sacred pasture
Yeah I saw the stream when the para was added with the whole water thing. That’s why i was confused
But I’m sure they will be adding in details like that I don’t see why they wouldn’t
left nacelle
Yeah. I'm still confused about why it wasn't added in the first place. They used literally the same effect for when rain was first added, so there couldn't have been an issue with the effect itself
past berry
@void sundial why did u post this i luv horses now i have trauma
honest sparrow
Tfw allo didn’t even live in the same period as pachyrhino
zenith onyx
yes it did
look it up
And i didn't just blur there, I also watched it in a discovery channel on how these two animals lived together.
pastel panther
allosaurids might have but not allosaurus
zenith onyx
it was allosaurus
pastel panther
no
zenith onyx
It literally said that name
zenith onyx
Pachyrhinosaurus lived in the jurassic, I watched in a discovery channel about dinos. IM not lying
and i looked it up too
pastel panther
ceratopsians didn't even become a thing until the cretaceous
zenith onyx
no
pastel panther
you're probably mixing it up with something
random imp
no
zenith onyx
i'll find the link
random imp
Pachyrhino lived with Albertosaurus not Allosaurus
pastel panther
that's probably what he's thinking
random imp
Pachyrhinosaurus lived in the jurassic, I watched in a discovery channel about dinos. IM not lying
@zenith onyx Pachyrhino lived during the Late Cretaceous.
zenith onyx
sorry i was mixed up.
random imp
np.
zenith onyx
about the predator and the time period...... god i sometimes suck, at finding the right sources
muted fog
So I'm guessing mud will dampen/take away your scent?
zenith onyx
partly @muted fog, but it's also more of a buff hten a scent hider, in fact it will tell everyone that something was here.
not hide the fact you were here
but expose it
safe galleon
what?
zenith onyx
watch a few vids on the mud bath stuff for hte isle if you don't understand my explantion.
dondi's streams to be precise
safe galleon
why?
zenith onyx
@merry condor stop spamming the hate emots so people feel bad if they can't like it
and your maia suggestion is good @atomic juniper
cobalt compass
why?
safe galleon
but why does it need more damage?
cobalt compass
^
zenith onyx
it can't really defend it'self when it can't run away
atomic juniper
^
cobalt compass
also, 
is not a "hate emote"
atomic juniper
I love the dondi facepalm reaction xD
zenith onyx
i didn't say it was
atomic juniper
It was supposed to be something worth a dondi facepalm
cobalt compass
@ stop spamming the hate emots so people feel bad if they can't like it
@zenith onyx
atomic juniper
but yeah, I think maias need a buff
zenith onyx
yes? @cobalt compass
atomic juniper
they're weak
safe galleon
they're not weak
pastel panther
they're one of the best herbies
atomic juniper
they 80-85 shot rexes with constant hits.
torn thistle
Maybe give some ideas on how to buff Maia, or explain why it should.
Plus I get the feeling Maia will be tweaked when the Recode rolls by. Even so, Maia is relatively tough and a speedy herbivore
atomic juniper
I counted, got like 83
safe galleon
they are supposed to run instead of fighting and they ARE able to defend themself with violence
atomic juniper
I wanna be able to 3 shot rexes.
torn thistle
...Maia ain't supposed to go 1v1 on Apexs
safe galleon
are you a troll?
cobalt compass
most important Q
WHY do you FIGHT a REX as MAIA?
zenith onyx
he never said it would go against apexes, jsut needs to be stronger against some dinos
atomic juniper
nah, but like that suggestion was just to bring up maias since they're not talked about much.
Maias aren't brought up much, usually bc they're actually pretty balanced.
Nothing bad is wrong with them.
safe galleon
I see lots of talk about maia and how good it is
cobalt compass
than, why buffing it?
torn thistle
Maia is basically the Carno of herbivores
cobalt compass
i do
atomic juniper
I want maia to have a stomp too
torn thistle
Only real downside it has is low bleed resistance
safe galleon
maia is so common
atomic juniper
a mini stomp and tail whip
zenith onyx
I think it needs to be stronger so it doesn't get destroyed by basically anyhithing the size of a utah
torn thistle
Or... bleed heal, I forget which.
zenith onyx
or bigger
safe galleon
I think it needs to be stronger so it doesn't get destroyed by basically anyhithing the size of a utah
@zenith onyx it doesn't get destroyed by uaths or dilos and can even kill carnos and ceratos
atomic juniper
So can dilos. I can 1v2 utahs.
I just think that it should have more biteforce for anything it can't outrun, or maybe more attacks.
It literally has one attack. A headbutt.
safe galleon
keep in mind that maia is meant to run
atomic juniper
^^
safe galleon
not fight
cobalt compass
also you're supposed to ru from thing that can kill you. letting things get as close as they can kill you is YOUR fault
atomic juniper
Now what if you're stuck in a situation where u aren't able to run?
safe galleon
against what?
atomic juniper
Either ur dumb enough to use your stamina up for migration purposes.
pastel panther
then that's the maias fault
atomic juniper
Carnos
viral creek
I don't see a reason to buff maia. It's already one of the most survivable animals in the game
cobalt compass
aye
atomic juniper
Well then at least more attack options.
viral creek
And the only reason people don't play it as much as several worse playables is it's a herbivore and dosen't rely on having a high damage/health stat. So it gets overlooked.
atomic juniper
It has good bleed heal, it can take hits (I think rex 2-3 shots it?)
cobalt compass
again, when you see a rex as maia, you should run
atomic juniper
Yeah
viral creek
So we have a playable that...
-Takes around as long to grow as a carno
-Weighs more than an allo
-Has a decent health pool
- Faster than a utah
-Amazing regen
-Good bleed resistance - Can out dps a carno
-Decent stamina
Why does this thing need a buff
cobalt compass
atomic juniper
lol I was joking around saying to buff it, but now that we're talking bout it, I also believe it should have a stomp and not just headbutt.
torn thistle
Well in that case, I'm gonna remove it
viral creek
I'd much rather have maia reworked so he keeps what he is currently good at, which is running away and defending himself from small animals. But without being a killing machine.
As in keep his speed, and his tankiness. It's fine. But severly nerf his headbutt and give him a higher damage stationary attack.
Another idea i thought of was to give these animals charge attacks which temporarily brings up his headbutt damage to match his stationary attack, but only for a short burst.
atomic juniper
Maia is a balanced herbivore, prob the most balanced. If I were to put an actual suggestion, it'd be to give maia another actual attack.
zenith onyx
he needs his headbutt, but he needs another attack aswe;;.
viral creek
Oh god no it's not. Maias are killing machines and have a very short growth time for how amazing he is.
atomic juniper
Maias can be killed by skilled carnos and prob things that get the surprise on it. Example being packs of dilos at night especially.
if you get the surprise on a maia as a dilo pack, inflict bleed on it, it won't be able to run with all that bleed.
It needs a stationary attack like stomp.
it's not "amazing", just balanced. Not too op or not too weak.
I just want a stomp or another attack other than headbutt.
to tag along with headbutt
cobalt compass
for your own good, please stop talking
covert birch
Maia doesnt need to get that tho
Like, it can survive perfectly fine
And is better at hunting smalls then carno is, which is what carnos meant to do
viral creek
I wouldn't mind the stomp as a strong stationary attack. But his mobile attack needs a kick in the knees
drifting chasm
Hey everyone can spread their opinions @cobalt compass
covert birch
Imo maia shouldnt get too many attacks so it somewhat stays seperate from teno
cobalt compass
but trolls arent welcome here
viral creek
Nobody plays maia as intended anymore, he is most commonly used as a herbivore hunting dog on officials. Or carnivore players who want to give herbivore a try go maia.
drifting chasm
I mean it’s no harm in thinking Maia needs a buff it just ain’t happening
cobalt compass
and stating nonsense is no opinion, mr whiteknight
viral creek
So another attack is fine, but in return, we need to discourage him from running everything down before we give him more power.
drifting chasm
Hey man I’m just trying to help because people get all surprised when people act like an adult and solve arguments instead of causing more
I’m not saying you are
cobalt compass
thats why i asked politely to stop talking
drifting chasm
Good for you dude we need more people like you who ask instead of tell
cobalt compass
im sorry if i sound rude through text, but like in person i use very few sublanguage
and im not an english native speaker
valid zephyr
imo maia should have lower stam than now.
it should have a weak shitty headbutt for killing ovis and other tiny animals.
powerful side check for knocking over utahs which are chasing, and stunning carnos
and a powerful rear kick for doing damage.
that way it can't use its powerful attack to just run down utahs and dilos
zenith onyx
yikes no
valid zephyr
why KAI?
zenith onyx
because if it has all those attacks it has something for any instance, all around dino, maia doesn't need that much of a buff in attacks
valid zephyr
that is a nerf for attacks, as it makes them defensive and fleeing based
currently it has a powerful spammable front headbutt which can kill carnos
barren zephyr
Right, totally random thing but anky needs a buff
And I think with the new utah jump attack anky should be pretty much immune because it would need to jump on its heavily armoured back
Maybe I'm insane but eh
Just my opinion
covert birch
Anky is rn shit due to having sandbox stats
And also is confirmed for a rework within the devlog
also ankys back wasnt "heavily armored" per say
More just osteoderms and a semi thick hide
atomic juniper
Maia won't be much of a flee type of dino if it's stam is lowered.
as much as it is now
it's supposed to be able to outrun dinos.
covert birch
You can still flee if your super fast and have lowererd stam
Especially if you also have an above average trot
which maia if rn has anything to say about it, does
atomic juniper
eh, you'd be surprised how much a carni can catch up to maia with lowered stam.
covert birch
Depends on the carni
valid zephyr
currently its run outruns allows ambush (it shouldn't), and it has near endless stam
maia is way overtuned right now
covert birch
thtas it
cobalt compass
maia is a runner, not a sprinter
covert birch
Utah ambush and carno
atomic juniper
it's a long distanced runner
barren zephyr
Maia should keep its stamina and speed, but have its attacks nerfed while it's running so all it can do is run
atomic juniper
But that makes up for it's low attack dmg headbutt
valid zephyr
imo allos ambush should catch maia, to reward a sneaky allo
'low damage'
it can beat carnos
barren zephyr
Yeah maia is a little op right now
atomic juniper
what if bleed heal was lowered?
cobalt compass
bleed will drain stam with evrima
valid zephyr
i'd rather maia had a really bad front attack only fit to defend its nest from ovis, and then powerful rear/side attacks for use while it's fleeing
atomic juniper
so then just lower it's bleed heal so it's bleeding for longer than a few seconds.
It'll heal anything around 20 heal like a tank if it just sits for a bit.
cobalt compass
⏲️
barren zephyr
I say rear, kicking either leg with similar controls to a stego for each leg
And while its walking it gets a headbutt for defending nests
atomic juniper
but realistically, can it lift it's back legs with just it's front legs?
that'd prob be the problem.
cobalt compass
but small carnis whould be thrown away by that
nothing more is needed
for big bois you have all 4 legs to get the f out of there
atomic juniper
at least a stomp maybe, as i said before. small damage radius, but if you time it right, maybe you'd be able to pull it off.
barren zephyr
Well tbh now I think about that my idea is a little terrible to be honest,because those attacks would make it impossible for small things to hunt it
Because they arent fast enough to get infront
cobalt compass
ambush
viral creek
Stomps can be very situational. The back kick and a side check is a better attack by a mile, you just can't run things down while doing it.
atomic juniper
things that are able to butt ride it due to it's terrible turning radius would be killed by it, but then again, it's for running, not playing the turn radius game.
it'd an attack that'd prob help with carnos faster than it.
barren zephyr
Yeah I know, but when its running it would be near impossible to get any bites in because it can just back kick you while its running
valid zephyr
rear kicking would be similar to demoed on tenoto
atomic juniper
yeah, which would just buff the maia as a whole.
viral creek
Well of course you're not gonna bite from the back. Try something new
Flank it from the sides.
Bait it into a kick and have your buddy bite somewhere else
If you can catch it, of course.
atomic juniper
easier said than done at some times.
cobalt compass
maybe the utah pounce slows its target
viral creek
Well it shouldn't be easy
barren zephyr
Yeah but it's a maia so its running really fast and for a long time
viral creek
Hunting should never be easy
Let's also not forget grabbing attacks are coming, The back attacks are there to protect you from the speedy little fuckers like the utahs
It's not going to stop an allosaurus who just ambushed you as you're running by from grabbing you
barren zephyr
So plans like that wont work, you need to chase it down and with a back kick that becomes impossible
atomic juniper
yeah, getting an ambush on a maia as utah will be probably the most useful.
it might realistically shake you off when running while a utah is on it's back/side.
valid zephyr
side checks should help stun larger carnos while you keep fleeing
atomic juniper
I believe utahs might have more of a chance against maias, which normally would be able to 1v2 utahs without dying.
with the latch on.
valid zephyr
back kick will do a lot more than a headbutt
barren zephyr
Yeah exactly
atomic juniper
^them thicc back legs
viral creek
Let's not also forget how fast utah is post rework
cobalt compass
getting nearly 2 tons in your face should hurt
viral creek
It's ridiculous how fast those things are
cobalt compass
JP style
cobalt compass
no need for crossing
barren zephyr
I hope if it does come back it will get a jump attack like a utah
Then it will be isle V2 all over again
paper oriole
Swamp megalodons
paper oriole
Lots of people upvoting their own suggestions today
oblique sluice
Yeah
odd sedge
I Think the emotes under the suggestion say enough
honest sparrow
I mean, swamp megalodon was katniss, so I don't count it, some of the other ones tho 
odd sedge
I mean, I'd have nothing against the megalodon personally.
But putting them into a swamp? Ehrrrr...I disagree with that
covert birch
Its a suggestion by katniss
The person who says BS shit all the time to have fun
no need to take it seriously
oblique sluice
Troll suggestions are still banneable?
covert birch
Yes they are, but its so buried it doesnt really matter imo
paper oriole
swamp Megalodon vs shark summoning Giga wizard
oblique sluice
Sucho female spinosaurus in the middle
mortal tiger
i just figured out that they are adding the compie, as a playable and that's great but i am just wondering, how will they balance it? its going to be the one of the smallest things in the game, so what will it eat?
paper oriole
Compy will scavenge and eat bugs
A compy group could probably take out tacos, oros, homalos etc too
bold mist
Think of the jurrasic park scene with the little girl
mortal tiger
yea i think of the lost world. so i thought maybe it could pounce and hang on to bigger dinos. maybe it can start attacking, and gain a small amount of hunger.
feral adder
Compys are gonna be the cleaners of the isle, i didn't hear about them being playable, is that new?
left nacelle
Nah, that's been a thing for a while
They decided to make all the new animals playable. But some of them are also gonna be AI. The smaller animals won't have as much to them tho. Like compy probably won't have any sort of special ability or anything
paper oriole
Bro, commas and periods. That hurt to read lmao
Though if eggs can be removed from the nest by oviraptors and such, having them roll around and shit could work in some places
Though in many nests the eggs are sort of ‘planted’ in a way, preventing them from moving around like that
void sundial
@tulip dock me is spanish yeah? I take time to translate all of this.
Good :)@tulip dock
left nacelle
@mossy iris I feel like that sound is a bit too recognizable to use for the game. Someone once suggested red-tailed hawk sounds (That iconic cawwwww sound effect usually associated with eagles) and dinosauriac said it was too recognizable. I'd also be surprised if it isn't already being used in the game anyway
void sundial
Like my idea? Yes or no?
neat beacon
what is a selo???
It's hard to understand anything at all
Also dont upvote your own suggestion
Do you mean like a tab for females to check eggs and growth? But why is it only for females??
void sundial
the selo is when the female wants to have sex
void sundial
is to make the game more realistic ¿yes?
covert birch
It wouldnt be making it more realistic since dinosaurs didnt go through heat
void sundial
So like my idea yes or no? And me is spanish ¿yes? I just translated it
and i take time
void sundial
ok so i delete my idea?😔
paper oriole
Not really any reason to delete it
void sundial
Ok
left nacelle
@sacred pasture Why nudge eggs around when they could just pick them up
sacred pasture
They could do that too
void sundial
@left nacelle only parents and ovirraptores can carry eggs
left nacelle
@void sundial Not true. Most if not all carnivores will be able to steal eggs
left nacelle
Oviraptor might be better at it than other animals, but it won't be the only one who can
void sundial
@sacred pasture what?
void sundial
@sacred pasture no
icy lion
???
you mean the preferred food part?
dinos will have new dietary and nutritional needs. eating food that they dont like will make them grow slower
sacred pasture
Who are you talking to me or nahivu
icy lion
nahi
void sundial
What???
icy lion
dinos will have new dietary and nutritional needs. eating food that they dont like will make them grow slower
@void sundial
void sundial
@icy lion A ok
sacred pasture
zenith onyx
Who is deleting my suggestions!
why whoever you are, stop deletign my suggestions. I've done nothing wrong.
honest sparrow
I mean the only people who can delte suggestions are mods, admins, etc
indigo sun
What were the suggestions?
zenith onyx
i said it could look that way @feral wedge not exactly like it
feral wedge
"If this is added, make it look like this"
void sundial
@zenith onyx hi it ok?
turbid glade
@void sundial the problem with that would be that you cant sneak up at you prey anymore as carni
void sundial
@turbid glade on the subject of emotions?
turbid glade
yes
void sundial
@turbid glade I already said that I will explain more of that topic
turbid glade
but i gave you my feedback about it now :D
void sundial
@turbid glade ok xd
left nacelle
@ripe pewter In the future females will lay eggs and males will need to fertilize them for them to hatch. Kinda like fish. The devs are trying to stay as far away from anything involving mating as they can cause some people in this community are fucking weirdos
ripe pewter
Oh
left nacelle
Yeahhh. So you won't need a male and female to lay eggs, but you will need a male if you want them to actually hatch
ripe pewter
Got it
void sundial
@left nacelle I will try to create something so they can have babies but in another way ¿yeah?
valid zephyr
This part of that guys suggestion is fucking yikes:
safe galleon
Especially when they said selo is supposed to mean sex
safe galleon
Yeah heat makes more sense
valid zephyr
but the bit about being able to detect the female anywhere and 'conquer' is essentially a dino rape suggestion. which really isn't ok.
barren zephyr
Yep
valid zephyr
not to mention it would suck if a chinese death clan can find you anywhere on the map to kill you
barren zephyr
everyday we stray further away from god
paper oriole
MMM yes, must conquer female
valid zephyr
@void sundial what is 'conquer' supposed to mean?
void sundial
@valid zephyr when a male wants to impress a female?
valid zephyr
I think you used the wrong word there then. 'Display' or something like that would be more correct. 'Conquer' has very questionable implications.
paper oriole
To conquer it to forcibly take over
void sundial
@valid zephyr me is spanish ¿ok?
valid zephyr
Are you using google translate?
void sundial
@valid zephyr yeah
valid zephyr
it's usually more acurrate than that
paper oriole
Google translate can fuck things up pretty bad, may help to dm somebody your translation to hammer out the major flaws first from time to time. Conquering a female implies forcing yourself on another player, rather than impressing them
left nacelle
Nah, google translate is shit for spanish. It uses older spanish than the spanish used today iirc
paper oriole
There are many who would be willing to help clean up a translation for you before posting it to suggestions if you'd want
left nacelle
Yeah there's a lot of people in this discord who speak spanish and english
void sundial
im srry is the translate
quaint pewter
dusk sparrow
I like the idea of mating animation / emote without sex, it would be very immersiv and roleplay to have it and would perfectly fit with the nest system: no one can take advantage of nearby male to nest, you need an interaction to do it, and it would allow the game to know exactly who is the femal and the male who possess the nest
void sundial
@dusk sparrow exact
dusk sparrow
don't anderstand why people are vooting against this suggestio tho
paper oriole
Dinos small enough to carry will autotransfer to being held in the jaws in recode
So you can snatch juvies like that
void sundial
it is understood?
paper oriole
I think i might possibly maybe kinda somewhat understand that suggestion, but I also think I had a stroke reading it
void sundial
@paper oriole srry xdddd
paper oriole
I dont think herbivores, or scared dinos in general, should throw up or get messed up screen affects (from the earlier part of the suggestion) when they see a predator lol
That would be a pretty annoying mechanic especially if youre trying to hide, or carnivores could use it to grief herbis and smaller carnis for shits and giggles
void sundial
@paper oriole o ok
paper oriole
A mechanic involving fear could be good, just not one that fucks your dino over and makes you an easier target for predation
void sundial
Sooo they won't throw up, but if their vision blurred ¿Could it be?
paper oriole
If their vision is compromised at all their should be a flipside. An animal who is scared and feels backed into a corner will fight or flee as hard as it can, it is not fun gameplay to be handicapped at the moment where you should be most alert
void sundial
Mmmm yea...
Sooo
@paper oriole He wanted to say it so that the hervivoros did not mock or attack the carnivores.
paper oriole
Instead if blurred vision, a panicked dino could receive a speed boost or attack boost based on whether it is a runner or fighter, sacrificing attack to boost your sped in panic mode (or vice versa). While in the boosted state they could get tunnel vision, making them more vulnerable to flanking attacks as the flipside.
random imp
boy, use google translator, i understand almost nothing of what you wrote. But for what i gathered, the things you are suggesting are redundant and not really usefull for gameplay with the new systems that will be implemented.
void sundial
it could be that when fear comes they can't attack
paper oriole
Both factions mock and kos when they have no need, it would just make herbis an easier target than they already are
random imp
meh, i do not like the idea of giving a buff to panicking herbies. it could be abusable as hell.
paper oriole
Depending on the animal, a scared animal may fight with every ounce of its strength in fear of its life, just disabling attack would fuck people over and make them free kills
void sundial
so when they are afraid it will not attack and if they are too close to the carnivore they could reduce their life or something like that@paper oriole
paper oriole
The way i see the panic ‘buff’ is
Combat oriented herbis stand their ground, reduced speed but increased combat ability, so they are on the defensive and can not chase people down.
Flight herbis lose the ability to use their attacks while their speed is boosted.
The panic ability could only be used when you are threatened, so a para (flight herbi) couldnt use it to run down and trample one troodon for shits and giggles, but can activate it around allos and stuff
Bro lol if they couldnt attack and lost hp around carnis a giga could straight up run circles around an anky until if got a heart attack and died like some useless pork chop. That would be terrible
void sundial
Mmm
paper oriole
Thats like the shit in BoB where you can kill somebody by making them uncomfortable
Super exploitable
void sundial
Good sooo What is your opinion? also open dinosaurs that will be aggressive and not fearful
@paper oriole so delete my ide?
paper oriole
My opinion is you shouldn't be disabled or handicapped by fear, it makes you free food and makes being a predator require a lot less skill
I dont see any real reason to delete the suggestion unless you want to. I just disagree with it
dusk sparrow
@paper oriole the fact is that herbis must be able to fight smaller carni and flee from bigger ones, that the base balance
random imp
not all of them, a trike is gonna stand its ground in any case
while a maia or a shant should only escape
dusk sparrow
of curse but trike being an apex, there is no bigger threat he must flee of
i am mainly talking about average middle classe like para
random imp
also shant is an apex but he should be on the "flee group"
dusk sparrow
@random imp i disagree on shant, it may not have thagomizer nor horns but it is so bulky it must be a fighter
shant is heavy, bulky and if he charge on a predator and push it down it can easily stomp it to death due to its mass
but
i don't want to talk about apexes
valid zephyr
i mean a shant won't be fleeing from an allo.
but it should prefer to flee from apexes, and not run towards rexes
dusk sparrow
middle class average, like para who is bulky enough to fight smaller carni but not enough to stand against bigger threat
i think that every dino smaller than a cerato (cerato included) should not attack a para, or at least should think twice before trying because it is such a dangerous prey (bulkier, heavyer) that they'll do it only if they have no other choice, and will avoid the area where para are located
but para must be able to have a chance to flee from apexes (accro / giga / rex / spino) by speed or outstam but not both
paper oriole
I think hadros as a whole should utilize cc a lot more than attack, shant should be a flight animal in a sense, but able to body check flanking apexes or ram apexes exposing their broadside to the shant's front, and then be able to either trample them as they're on the ground or use the chance to gain distance depending on the situation.
dusk sparrow
and there sould be a 50/50 win rate if a middle class average carni (allo for exemple) try against para
@paper oriole no way shant will flee, it is bigger and more massif than most of the other dino
valid zephyr
depends on the para we get walkeri or tubicen
tubicen would run over an allo and knock it down. walkeri would be a snack
paper oriole
A shant can use his body mass to topple predators and finish them off on the ground, but should probably utilize his cc solely for escape against groups of apexes
dusk sparrow
i am talking game design
@paper oriole again uyou are talking only about apexes, but i'm not, i am talking general
valid zephyr
isle one is walkeri, but lots of people seem to think it's being upgraded to tubicen
dusk sparrow
the way a dino deal with threat depends on who it is facing
valid zephyr
as walkeri is just a shittier maia
tubicen is a perfect halfway between maia and shant
paper oriole
Ugh i hope para gets the help it deserves, that would be a good start
valid zephyr
i'm tempted to make a suggestion about it tbh
valid zephyr
how large/heavy is that dilo subspecies?
left nacelle
@marble flame The whole thing with the egg still being able to hatch doesn't really make any sense. If an egg is taken away from it's parents, it would the baby's development inside the egg because it's been away from the warmth for too long. Plus imagine hatching from an egg and realizing the eggs you hatched from was stolen by a predator. That would just be annoying
valid zephyr
however i wouldn't mind a slightly larger dilo, as mono, utah, and dilo are all going to be sitting in the same weight range which makes them feel a bit redundent
choosing a larger subspecies might be good to let mono be more unique
left nacelle
Wait wait, Nahivulka gave that dilo suggestion a 👎 but they also gave it a 
and a 👀 ?? Wtf?
barren zephyr
Navihulka just seems to spam reactions
they always react with thumbs up and down at the same time
left nacelle
I think they do that to kinda put the suggestions there for people. I've seen a lot of people do that, even tho people are perfectly capable of putting the reactions there themselves
pale sorrel
@night mountain Maybe, or maybe they could have face paint colour customisation? 👀
paper oriole
Let players custom paint on their tribals faces with a brush tool so we get a bunch of dumb lewd shit
left nacelle
No one said custom paint lol
pale sorrel
Yeah
paper oriole
But i wannit
left nacelle
Well we know war paint will be a thing. But it'll probably just be preset options. I hope at least
I don't wanna see a tribal running at me with a crappily drawn dick on his chest
pale sorrel
I'm not sure about that BuffTrike, I would rather have like 3 or 4 choosable face paint styles (maybe they're different depending on the gender too)
Exactly, BlueBird.
paper oriole
Eh maybe it could be a toggleable server option
So servers can choose to only allow presets or to allow the clusterfuck of neon dino skins and dick paint tribals
left nacelle
I think having custom paint would also be bad for servers come to think of it. If permanent scars will be bad for servers, I can't even imagine what custom paint would be like
paper oriole
Ehh maybe, if it causes server problems yeah... but if it doesn’t
left nacelle
I don't really think it's worth the programming effort either if it's just a server option
paper oriole
I guess.. maybe some modder can do the favour eventually
left nacelle
Yeah, that sounds like a better bet
dusk sparrow
why people always want their main dino be bigger and bigger and god tier ?
that is so boring
turbid glade
yes its like playing apexes all day xD
dusk sparrow
😦
turbid glade
you sit mostly of you time under a tree watching stream or netflix and just go out if you hungry or thirsty and alltimes on the logout screen when someone attack you
dusk sparrow
i think people must stop to think in terme of what dino is stronger than other, but which nich is interesting, how each species interact in the ecosystem... i'll probably write a full speculative gdd with that focus
turbid glade
i think more juvies will get killed because they basicly fastfood to go xD
valid zephyr
@gray crystal that isn't the correct channel for questions
not a fan of forced sleep mechanic maple. it's basically forcing the player to not play the game.
barren zephyr
@potent sparrow Exactly what Jen said. Forcing ppl to ever so often pmuch afk for x minutes and not do anything is bad game model
nocturne sonnet
@simple wagon they look good👍
simple wagon
thanks, welp the underwater one looks a bit like a sea pickle ;dd, I can get better resolution so it doesn't look blurred, but discord doesn't let me to upload it ;_;
valid zephyr
would love varied burrows depending on the animal.
some animals live in standard burrows, others in riverbanks, others in fallen trees
would add a ton of variety
some in tree nests too
potent sparrow
Suppose that's true about the sleeping.
But they already force you to rest when you're tired from running
That's an afk situation
nocturne sonnet
thanks, welp the underwater one looks a bit like a see pickle ;dd, I can get better resolution so it doesn't look blurred, but discord doesn't let me to upload it ;_;
@simple wagon but they look good i would approve that for minmi,homa,hypsi and so on
simple wagon
thanks
damn instead of sea I typed see.. lmao
valid zephyr
when you're tired from running you can keep walking and get your stam back
you're still in control
barren zephyr
how large/heavy is that dilo subspecies?
@valid zephyr 9,2m long, 3,6m tall and 1,7 tons, perfect for a venomous midtier
potent sparrow
Okokokok what if you could do something while sleeping.
Liiiiiiiike mini games!!
Suddenly dinosaur space invaders pops up. Dreaming mechanic! xD
potent sparrow
Who me?
I have no idea who that is
barren zephyr
So D. sinensis will be in another weight class of mono(475) and troodon(50-100)
barren zephyr
Yes please
potent sparrow
Tough crowd
valid zephyr
Lol
potent sparrow
Just tryin to get a chuckle or something out of being defeated. No fun allowed Maple. Bad.
valid zephyr
left nacelle
@sterile meteor That's already a thing tho
sterile meteor
Is it? I know there are different types of footprints but it's still generic. Like a dilo footprint looks the same as an allo's, just a generic 3 toe therapod print, right?
left nacelle
Well yeah. But their feet look similar lol
You can't have two completely different looking footprints if the animals' feet look almost exactly the same
And we already have a huge range of footprints. Trike, Diablo, and Ava even leave different looking footprints from their front feet than their back feet
harsh silo
@round prairie so both dinosaurs just die? why attack dryos in the first place then? I don't understand your suggestion at all. In my eyes it seems unbalanced
round prairie
you can use this when you have some babies with you and they can't escape the carni
harsh silo
So the babies sacrifice themselves u mean?
round prairie
so you just sacrifice yourself to save your babies
harsh silo
Ah
Still seems unbalanced to me
Like, if dryos get that perk why even attack them, burrows already keep them safe from some creatures, dryo will be able to defend itself with dinosaurs it's size.
They can run away or attack them, obviously running is the best option
honest sparrow
“Dryo’s final stand “
harsh silo
But this double suicide thing is just.. weird to me
round prairie
i think it might be unbalance too, i suggested that j4f anyway
honest sparrow
But yeah kamikazee dryo
harsh silo
if that was a thing I'd never hunt any dryos
What's the fun in it, everyone that wants to annoy others will get that perk
annoy people then get them killed with the perk and then grow the dryo again in less than an hour
round prairie
the perk doesn't need to kill people, just slow them down is enough
harsh silo
How is it going to slow them down if they both get locked inside the burrow
The dryo gets killed, the other dinosaur eats them and then they have to wait until the starve/dehydrate because they are stuck underground?
round prairie
carni could have a perk to counter this
zenith onyx
@void sundial your idea, i really liked it. And it's coming into the isle later on. After Evrima though, not with it.
harsh silo
uhm, I still don't see it working
a perk that allows them to crawl outside im guessing
I wanna clarify I'm really trying to understand what you are going for btw
round prairie
yes, so it will only slow them down instead of killed them
harsh silo
Eh.. I can't picture it happening
I don't wanna use a perk slot to counter dryos that will annoy me and suicide with the perk
Doesn't make gameplay fun imo
Either that or people will ignore every dryo in existence because they can just use that perk
round prairie
if dryo is your main food then i think you will
but like i said, i suggested this j4f
harsh silo
Hmm
I understand a little with the main food thing, but well, they are pretty quick already, that's basically their defense
round prairie
still slower then utah
harsh silo
And there's preferred prey, carnis can eat anything else anyways
well yes, slower than utah, but i doubt something dryo sized will be quicker than it
round prairie
this perk are mostly aiming to counter herre, troodon and utah
harsh silo
And dryos aren't really a lot of meat for bigger creatures
Let's agree that I don't understand
I get that u wanna counter those dinosaurs
But there's gotta be another way
round prairie
dondi did say that each carni will have their prefer food, so there might be a carni that need to hunt dryo
harsh silo
oh yeah, there probably will, but keep in mind that if they are a tiny bit bigger than the dryo they can't get in the burrow
idk, let's agree that I don't share your same view/idea and move on
round prairie
yeah, i know this suggest sound weird so i will take all the criticize
but it does sound fun 
harsh silo
round prairie
you can also use this to troll your dryo friend
barren zephyr
What do you think about mine?
harsh silo
Has to be fun for both sides, not for one side to just troll, I mean, the troodon will have this "annoying crow-like" aesthetic so I'd understand some sort of annoyance for it, but for the dryo? I don't know
@barren zephyr your suggestion sounds fine. Semi aquatic austro that can climb trees
barren zephyr
And the puck ability to evade threats?
round prairie
barren zephyr
?
barren zephyr
Oh lol im honna change
harsh silo
like, spitting at them
barren zephyr
Like that marine bird and like a vulture
harsh silo
well, puking could work, it's interesting for a carnivore to have a defensive ability
But I'd say some sort of pounce would work well too because it's a raptor
or some sort of aquatic ability
barren zephyr
But I'd say some sort of pounce would work well too because it's a raptor
@harsh silo but utah has already pounce(in the future). I think variety is better than clone abilities
harsh silo
Yeah, definetly, but well, think about this, allo is getting a grapple that's based on the utah's pounce
I like what u go for to be honest
And I guess a pounce would just make it a smaller aquatic utah
barren zephyr
thank you
harsh silo
So that's why I mean maybe an aquatic ability or something, no idea
barren zephyr
I thought puke could work because it looks like a seagull or a vulture for me
barren zephyr
And aquatic ability it can be the kingfisher one
harsh silo
Spitting at dinos to blind them and then run away
or maybe give the austro raptor the pounce, tree climbing and some sort of aquatic ability
barren zephyr
But austro infection too because of rotten fish
harsh silo
Idk about rotten fish stuff, i'd say it'd get sick and puke
No septic bite for it imo
barren zephyr
I mean digested
harsh silo
ooh
yeah that might be a bit too complicated to make
I'd say blinding would work fine
barren zephyr
Semi digested fish could intoxicate many dinos
harsh silo
@zenith onyx did u mean f1 f2 f3 and so on?
zenith onyx
no.
harsh silo
Yes it could, irl, in game it'd be hard to pull off
zenith onyx
Dondi said he wanted to have it so
harsh silo
Yeah, I'm down for it
barren zephyr
it can be a normal puke but with other colour and small fish parts, not hard to do in my opinion
harsh silo
I like the emotes, I just asked if u mistyped the keys, that's all, I don't know g1 g2 g3 g4 keys it's all good KAI, I agree with ur suggestion
meh, I like the puke thing as some sort of defense
harsh silo
But poisoning and stuff? I don't feel like it's needed, covering the screen with textures so they can't see would work well
yeah I get u KAI
zenith onyx
Because i have both G- and F-
harsh silo
Yeah ok
V1C3 good suggestion
The puke thing could be complicated for the devs but well, they've done very impressive stuff so far
barren zephyr
Yeah now lets wait and see what thinks kissen reading it
zenith onyx
THEy've already got this down. food bits in the vomit
barren zephyr
Cant wait for austro reborn, do you remember the first ankle biter?
What a good times
zenith onyx
idk. i didn't get the game straight when it came out.
barren zephyr
Oh, i will only say that it was funny to murder everything in a pack and with pounce
zenith onyx
sounds like that was fun.
feral adder
yeah didnt some dinos have a cling mechanic back then? ive heard stories of shant busses....
void rivet
Shant busses??
feral adder
yeah smaller dinos cling to the side and they taxi em around
don't think that'll be in evrima tho lol
honest sparrow
Yeah Austros could pounce and shred things
feral adder
think utahs will get a death kick eventually? or maybe some other pouncing dino? make use of those huge claws lol
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Maybe they could just be assigned to the rest of the number keys? We only use 1-4 right now, why not use 5-0?
zenith onyx
we could, but there could be problems with people pressing the wrong buttons and doing something they didn't want to do
left nacelle
True, but I think the same could apply for the F or G keys
zenith onyx
i can see the f keys being hard to reach but the G keys wouldn't be
feral adder
maybe an emote wheel for the special ones, hold down G or J and select with mouse
zenith onyx
they are right next to the tab, wasd keys
left nacelle
Oooh. I don't have those
zenith onyx
nice idea bang
left nacelle
Yeah I like Bang's idea
zenith onyx
kinda like the wheel the isle had for its calls in early isle
left nacelle
We actually used to have a wheel like that for the current calls. But it got randomly removed at one point I think
feral adder
thx 😊
zenith onyx
but for emotes..
left nacelle
I think some emotes might not even require a wheel either. Like for the emotes that involve an object (like scratching a tree) you just go up to that object and hit E or something
feral adder
☝️
left nacelle
But for the ones you can do anywhere, like having a bird clean your teeth, that one could be on the wheel
feral adder
Im thinking displays as well, like territorial or submissive
Definitely put the long-winded ones on the wheel, and could have some clever shortcuts for other calls
or, if you hold the call key for even longer, the dino goes into the specific emote for the mood of the call?
zenith onyx
great idea
feral adder
like holding a 4 call will do the long call and holding it further the dino may lay down and roll on its back?
pulsar lake
Basically I think the the "cleaning position" could be done like that :
-Press H to lay down
-Hold E to wait to be cleaned
@zenith onyx in my suggestion, I've suggested that Compy could do that do every medium/large/apex carnivores.
zenith onyx
oh. sorry, wasn't very clear in your suggestion. sorry again.
pulsar lake
No problems ^^
I don't think it could work for small ones because Compy is basically food for them, but it could if the predator don't want to hunt/kill it.
zenith onyx
well people are going to be killing compy and troodon, velo player just because they can, so it doesn't really make a differience.
i so spelled that wrong
honest sparrow
Tfw you react to your own message
feral adder
as demoed the compy was just a quick snack for a utah so i can see the swarms getting raided by packs of larger carnis
feral adder
fresh, living food vs the rotten carcass their eating lol i know which one id pick
honest sparrow
The one that doesn’t require effort to get
feral adder
true i bet theyre still pretty hard to catch, and safety in numbers
zenith onyx
lol, new version of lazy people getting easy food. so now the afk system is done with, now we have to deal with afk eaters.
waiting for compy's...
feral adder
hah then a cerato comes by....
feral adder
i feel like compys are gonna be the micro ceras, eating rotten meat and such, so they'll prob hang around eachother