The problem with female pachys having flat heads - what would be their defense? Would they still do the same amount of damage as a male? And did females even have any differences in their skull structure?
#general-feedback-discussion
south flower
ebon tiger
that's the thing, nobody knows
aside from one or two smaller species, we only have a few skulls, and most are pretty smashed
south flower
Like, I guess I could imagine it similar to how today’s bighorn sheep are, maybe the males have a larger and more prominent skull structure
But I also know it’s not really logical to compare mammals to dinosaurs -
ebon tiger
possibly, but until we find more remains, it's all guesswork
and to be fair, whilst the anatomy is usually pretty different between mammals and dinosaurs, you can sometimes compare niches
covert birch
Or the males can have those spikes on its head somewhat larger
south flower
I know the para’s horn-thing is longer for the male than the female
ebon tiger
it's not so much longer, as it's a different shape
south flower
Well, the female’s seems shorter and more curled - or just curled
ebon tiger
they based the female Para on a different species, oddly enough, which used to be considered a female, but now isn't
south flower
Oh interesting!
safe galleon
well sexual dimorphisom is purely just visual so if pachy female gets a flat head it'll porobably just do the same damage
ebon tiger
@civic glacier Triceratops is not a young Torosaurus. that got debunked a long while ago
clear condor
@digital orchid No, because you get point for other things, NOT for killing people, to avoid mass murderings
For exsample, a rex could get bonus points for eating hadrosaurus meat, but not for killing them, and because you have only a set amount of food to fill, you don't get more points if you kill more hadrosaurus, its better to fill yourself with than one prey instead, i don't know if i got my idea across
south flower
The pachy suggestion makes me think of mountain goats -
night mountain
Yesss
It’d let pachy punch up in the tiers too without much potential for real greifing
Like imagine being a pachy and some allo is chasing you and it’s dumb and actually follows you way up so you juke it and watch it ragdoll down like 200 feet of cliff
brittle merlin
in here @night mountain ... but it doesnt matter how many things irl do this, it would be an incredibly fun playstyle
night mountain
Oops I thought we were in general lmao
brittle merlin
and not an actual falcon in game... duh... a pterosaur made to fit that playstyle
night mountain
Yeah I mean it’s be fun but what would attack like that and not look really goofy
night mountain
A pterosaur would need to like backflip in the air to punch with its feet
brittle merlin
no... they fly over their target
they just dive and fly over their target by a few inches where the feet will contact the prey... the exact way the falcon does... watch the vid
idk what seems so hard for you... I see nothing that complicated or impossible here
night mountain
Yeah falcons do and can because their entire anatomy is different. A pterosaur is a quadruped.
Like look at isle ptera
ebon tiger
pterosaur feet are poor for grabbing
night mountain
Itd need to spin like a ninja star to even touch you with the feet
brittle merlin
what about one like this
ebon tiger
pterosaurs are very different from birds, in almost every way
Dimorphodon? that's an insectivore, and not very big, either
about the size of a crow at most
night mountain
Falcons can do it because their wings don’t attach to the legs
brittle merlin
I am talking about the anatomy of it not the actual dino specifically
night mountain
If a pterosaur tied to do that it’s end up like one of those parachutes they use as race car brakes
Reeeee phone autocorrect
It’s totally be fun though
ebon tiger
well, that doesn't really affect a pterosaur's legs as much as you expect. we have some new fossil tracks that show the wing didn't really constrain the leg movements at all
night mountain
I say fuck it we can have monster spino give us monster Haast’s eagle
brittle merlin
it doesnt need knees if it can bend the legs forward
ebon tiger
wut...
night mountain
Bird legs don’t bend backwards
brittle merlin
quite a few do
brittle merlin
look at the way they bend
night mountain
The knee is just high up and hidden under feathers
brittle merlin
again... to do the falcon punch their legs literally just the need the ability to bend forwards mid flight
ebon tiger
no that's not how it works
night mountain
brittle merlin
dude its a fuckinng video game
they already said they aren't going for 100% realism
covert birch
They aren't going for realism
brittle merlin
are not*
night mountain
They aren’t going for realism but they’re still giving things like, knees
brittle merlin
i meant to type arnt
covert birch
Maybe something large like hatze can do what ya want
But I doubt somethin small can
brittle merlin
its not something that cant be done in the game... they are just being overly picky about anatomy
ebon tiger
a falcon's legs don't bend backwards.
and even then, you think Bryan or the other animators, with their habit of following anatomy would say "fuck it. break its legs"?
brittle merlin
which the devs have already confirmed isnt a big focus
covert birch
The animators love anatomy that's why Bryan keeps calling anky and trike bad animals
They ain't gonna break the animals legs to do somethin like this
night mountain
Like you could monsterize a Haast’s eagle or something to do that but trying to put it on a pterosaur is like saying the game isn’t realistic so rex should have big long gibbon arms it uses to strangle other dinosaurs
brittle merlin
if their legs can angle forwards then it isn't breaking anatomy... its just using them to do something the actual animal wouldnt do
and realism is not their main priority
covert birch
Just cuz realism isnt the main priority dont mean they gonna make something make no sense. Only time they will do that is if they pull another spino
brittle merlin
how does it make no sense???
ebon tiger
and even then, the Spino moves pretty naturally for its shape
brittle merlin
not a ptera... a pterosaur... literally any flying dino
covert birch
Spino seems weightless imo
brittle merlin
and before you say it, I know a pterosaurs are not a dinos
sturdy trout
What do you guys think of dinosaurs having a fat system?
brittle merlin
do it with the dimorphodon and let the only things they can hunt be dryos and stuff smaller for all I care... it would be a really fast grower with an incredibly fun playstyle
ebon tiger
Dimorphodon... hunting Dryos...
brittle merlin
i've seen a small falcon knock a huge pelican out of the air, yes dryos
brittle merlin
it still has hollow bones like other birds
night mountain
Falcons hit pelicans out of the air because they flap their head to the side and they lose control lol
covert birch
How tentacle how about this thing on pelagornis
ebon tiger
also, there's a considerable size difference between Dryo and Dimorph
brittle merlin
when it is diving as fast as a falcon can their punch can do some real damage no matter what they are hitting
ebon tiger
even bigger difference than peregrine and pelican
covert birch
The dimorphodon will hurt itself flying into a dryo
If it hunted hypsis like that maybe
brittle merlin
it isnt flying itself into the dryo, just their feet
but fine whatever... only things smaller then a dryo... idc, it would still be fun as hell
covert birch
Imo this can work on a hatze to anything under Utah sized.
Other nah not really
Hatze as the hunter bird thing, quetz as the big ass vulture, ptera as Fisher 1, tupan as omni flyer, pelgornis as massive albatross
Boom flying roster complete
covert birch
@fallen folio no. Anky doesnt need this. All it really needs is bb and an armor mechanic
Also they call anky a bad animal because it's hard to animate
ebon tiger
can you imagine the aneurysm Bryan would have trying to work out how to roll a brick like Anky into a ball? XD
fallen folio
@covert birch ...you did read the part..where i said to take it as a joke didnt you LOL
brittle merlin
joke suggestions are against the rules
covert birch
That's the only reason I reacted. Cant joke around in suggestions
severe idol
@barren zephyr - Please don't repeatedly repost your suggestion.
covert birch
Maybe put the new things under some kinda section saying updated
barren zephyr
Oh yeah i guess that would have been better
Next time i have something like this i will update it
Like that
Mb xd
paper oriole
Qi is so tiny a compy could kick its ass lol
feral sedge
you would have to make it at-least troodon sized for it to be viable
paper oriole
Zhenyuanlong or changyuraptor are a bit more appropriately sized for a tree climber/glider but idk how youd survive as a juvie for any of them
Unless you can sit in trees and eat bugs lmao
Juvie zhen could be the size of qi
brittle merlin
do be fair idk how you would survive as a juvi compy either
paper oriole
Are compies getting juvie models though?
I liked the idea of playing a compy swarm, starting as one compy in place of a juvie and eventually controlling a swarm of them in place of adult stage, a compy juvie would be absolute hell to play as lol
blazing charm
@empty dove You are aware the replay function would HAVE to be worked on for it to function post recode, right?
empty dove
I was... totally unaware of that
blazing charm
Like, they can't just magically drop it in and have it work perfectly fine.
empty dove
Well... I don’t know anything about making a game lol, in which case though..
ebon tiger
Replay is finicky enough as it is now
half the time the record icon is showing, but it doesn't record
plus it doesn't record animations properly
blazing charm
If I recall, it's scrapped for the forseeable future, atleast to focus on more important features.
empty dove
I can understand focusing more important things first, but completely removing them forever, I disagree
blazing charm
Honestly, it feels too exploitable to me, atleast in its current state. You'd have to put on a lengthy delay on clips being recorded to when they are made viewable, if you know what I mean.
empty dove
Yeah
viral creek
Another thing worth considering, is having completely broken mechanics without having any intention to fix them just looks bad on the game.
marble cedar
Im thinking of posting a few of these niche/ability ideas for some more dinosaurs. Anything else I should include?
rancid valley
Healing costs stamina, Food, and Water. Like how when your sick or injured you're low on energy. I just personally believe stamina should be more important rather than players using it to get to areas faster, and will have players be more careful and mindful of stamina.
indigo sun
you didnt have to post that here too. And i find i disagree with healing costing food or water because healing can take a long time if you survive a fight and youre not always close enough to food or water to be able to stay alive
rancid valley
What about it just costing stam?
indigo sun
costing stam wouldnt be too bad
we ought to see how healing and stamina are in the recode though
barren zephyr
I see the teeth cleaning thing being just an aesthetic instead of a requirement
coarse thicket
It would be nice if it added a tiny “comfort” buff.
covert birch
Small dinos eating parasites of bigger ones is nest. Could be a cool perk for elders to making this give em some kinda bugf
mighty marten
Its interesting to me the idea of Stamina being more important than your health. I honestly never thought about that when I played the Isle... now it makes your stamina bar super important and I hope that it makes things alot more fun and interestingg when it comes to actual combat.
night mountain
Baby carrying seems like it won’t be in since it’s unlikely dinosaurs did it, babies are being sped up to keep up with parents, and the issue of some species randomly being unable to be animated carrying babies without looking stupid.
mighty marten
Hmm. I think dinosaurs doing it might be a little silly, but the Deinosuchus not so much considering its still a crocodille/alligator
and both species does it.
Though not in the mouth
paper oriole
breaking jaws would be neat but i dont think it'd be fair for it to entirely disable an animal's eating/attacking, just greatly weaken it similar to how leg break still allows you to limp slowly rather than completely disabling you
for gameplay sake
like it could reduce the damage of the bite attack by 50% and cause the dinosaur to take damage when they bite, and reduce the food intake speed by 50 0r 75% when eating
night mountain
I mean that’s fair, like if we’re being realistic a Rex breaking a leg should immediately fall over and eat shit and lie right in that spot until it dies
mighty marten
Yea, thats not fun so i dont see them doing that.
Like how I dont see Spino grappling being the end all of any thing either.
barren zephyr
@lethal locust elder dinos only give perks for the same species of dino. So you cant just grow an elder dryo and get a perk for a rex.
vivid thistle
Suggestion, make running around cause food loss, but make you grow faster. Would help with AFK growing.
blazing charm
Why do you people put spoiler text in your suggestion
vivid thistle
Stam usage directly linked to growing.
safe galleon
Problem with that @vivid thistle, if you find a big body you can eat then run around in a circle and repeat. So I think it would be easily abused
ebon tiger
way too easily
vivid thistle
better to see people and kill them
safe galleon
?
vivid thistle
if they are getting up and running around, people have a better chance to see them
covert birch
Going afk will die out
covert birch
AI wont be easy food and afk growing will take longer to make your dino grow
vivid thistle
sounds good to me
cyan flame
Considering I think they want to limit the whole "running around" I'm not sure on the idea. I think they want people to trot/walk more and only run when needed.
safe galleon
Yeah stam will be linked to fighting so wasting it and running around would be dumb
fallen folio
So for me, a broken jaw mechanic is not like you press a button and boom they get it broken all the time, rather its a possibility for it to happen based on where you hit the carnivore and possibly what its own heath might be at. its very realistic and quite fair imo, if a carnivore can endlessly attack without losing stamina, just bite bite bite as though there is no drawback to that sort of combat all your left with is a herbivore who cannot do bleed and is forced to use up its own stamina trying to defend itself ( para and shant currently all lose massive amounts of stamina trying to fight back with their most powerful attacks) if a carnivore gets its jaw broken not only does it force the carnivore to back off and leave but even if the herbivore started running it down its merely the tables being turned as happens some times in nature, now the carnivore is in the exact state the herbivore was in..having to run and unable to inflict meaningful damage or bleed. this simply encourages carnivores to need a pack to hunt as well as view those herbivores with a great deal more caution.. para is one of the easiest dinosaurs to kill right now..and while i hope that changes in the future it still could use a jaw break mechanic in my opinion to allow it that opportunity to run away and heal as it currently is one of the worst for healing bleed. pachy as well could use a leg/jaw break..it too is terrible for healing off bleed, 1 pachy against 1 utah, the packy hits the utah multiple times the utah hits the packy once...all the utah has to do is keep the pachy moving and its done for.. it cannot heal off that bleed nor can it outrun a utah...pachy needs the ability to break the leg or jaw of the utah so it can then escape, if the jaw is broken the utah can still easily run away from the pachy...if its leg is broken then the pachy could certainly proceed to kill it...this is what happens in nature as well. fights should be high risk for both parties, not a walk in the park.
dense dew
Carnivores irl get broken jaws from their prey (and survive) very often
paper oriole
they should make minmi spray blood out of its eyes
covert birch
Nah homa is more usless then minmi so it should be the blood spray boi
paper oriole
homa should shed its skin at attackers like a day gecko lol
just throw skin chunks at them
covert birch
Any more weird things geckos do XD
paper oriole
oh yeah it should scream while doing it too
like a really high pitched shriek that makes people want to turn their volume off
paper oriole
idk if others do it but day geckos will drop skin
paper oriole
imagine grabbing a homa and it just slips out of your grasp and leaves you with some grody ass skin chunks
covert birch
Homa being immune to pounce and grapple b/c of this is actually a cool idea
paper oriole
ohh spiny tail geckos
night mountain
Imagine doing it on a ridge like by great falls
Some giga chasing you and you spray glue and it just like flies off the cliff like hitting an oil slick on Mario kart
paper oriole
i never knew i needed this but i do
safe galleon
That naked is cursed
valid zephyr
I like the idea it being minmi which sprays blood from its eyes.
covert birch
ide prefer snapping turtle minmi then that
ebon tiger
a Utah might have trouble getting a clam open, but the Oviraptor? that'd have a field day
kindred mango
hm, bloody footsteps. should be doable, I mean, GTA 5 could do it in 2013
indigo sun
@barren zephyr absolutely no reason for that.
barren zephyr
well i mean it'd be cool to earn points during growth and able to purchase growths or perks for you dinosaur
like the elder system, but different
paper oriole
purchasing growths 
just play on isla nycta lmao
where theres 500 rexes dying and buying fresh new rexes
severe idol
The number of people that have messaged me asking for adult dinos via purchase is actually gross.
valid zephyr
Yikes.
covert birch
Maybe when he said in game purchases he was referrin to dino skins
Still tho ide rather not
severe idol
"Game completion first, then even think about DLC" - loosely translated from the straem.
indigo sun
Grow your dinosaur like a normal person. Get the perks like a normal person. And dont spend your money to skip shit to get perks and growth. Play the actual game instead of trying to use money to get stuff that other people will put actual effort in to get.
verbal scarab
don’t make it a mobile game
thorny crag
yeah pls don't
valid zephyr
I mean cosmetic skins once the game is complete, or things like a marine expansion pack.
That's fine imo. Buying adult dinos or perks to get an advantage over others is not ok in any way at all.
covert birch
Ide rather cosmetics come from achievements
Like if ya do something extremely difficult as a dibble (like pass elder perks down 3 consecutive lives) ya get a styraco skin
thorny crag
idk, people will be upset about that anyways, better sell dlc content but even that is risky and depends on how you do it
covert birch
Only DLC stuff i will except is like a full aquatic xpac. With new dinos/water map
or mammal junk
But those would be on a seperate maps
away from dinos
valid zephyr
I mean I like cosmetics from perks/achievements as well.
feathered utah skin would be great to come from a perk or achievement.
covert birch
Imo feather options dlc and/or easier achievements
verbal scarab
the theri suggestion is good, but not for theri they're op
covert birch
And then big things like full dino skins from difficult achievements
thorny crag
they talked about that already and dondi disliked the idea of creating a "new game" right after finishing the first ,maybe it will come maybe not.. I know it's important to generate money for further development but idk .. I have no idea how to make that possible .. maybe like ARK but thats much work
yeah theri are damn strong but it would be plausible cause of their feather coat 😛
It should make them walk much slower then but would be cool to be mobile with babies
timber totem
I think mid tier dino DLC would be ok. There would be no pay to win since apexes and other mid tier are available. Would be a great way to continue funding outside of merch or the typical cosmetics which have no place in the game.
paper oriole
Just play on nycta or nublar or something if you want to pay for dinos
onyx cargo
Lemme just spend my hard earned moneys to grow a dino bc i fail at thriving in a survival game.....
Just play a sandbox death match server
For free
paper oriole
Though for shits and giggles i think itd be funny if they enabled buying dinos and make it absurdly expensive like $100 to see how many idiots buy it
mighty marten
some epople dont have six hours to grow a dinosaur, only to lose it ten minutes later to a rex. Plus its understandable why they let you pay dinos. Its for THEIR servers to grow and become larger. Nycta is supposedly going on a new computer that is better than current. Probably wouldn't have even gotten to where it is now without such systems.
Whether or not that means anything with the recode coming out is to be determined.
onyx cargo
Free grow/ injection weekends -shrug
Win grows with frequent events
I play on sandbox servers so i can start as an adult
mighty marten
Yea, but again, private servers need to gain revenue someway.
onyx cargo
Honestly itd be shit if they implemented pay to win
Ooooh look at me i hit elder in an hour 50 times and now have all the perks =3
mighty marten
Oooh that'll be broken lmao
onyx cargo
Like current it's whatever, spend your money how you want, but with recode, buying grows is going to break the balance of the game
violet magnet
"some epople dont have six hours to grow a dinosaur"
then grow it over several sessions
mighty marten
Dependso n how the private serever implements.
server*
Doesn't mean that you're going to be able to buy an elder. They might put restrictions on it.
onyx cargo
It took me 4 days to grow my trike -shrugs loudly
mighty marten
Again, its up to the private server owner.
onyx cargo
Yea but if you buy an adult it'll just be that much quicker to elder
Unless something gets implemented to prevent that but -shrug
I trust in dondi
mighty marten
They have to get revenue somehow to keep the good servers with 200+ People actually sustainable.
onyx cargo
I mean hunting grounds and nycta get help bc of youtubers
mighty marten
Though, I will admit, sometimes its a little silly on the fact you can buy full grown rex's etc
But a rex shouldn't be any harder to grow in the recode except for time based.
You shouldn't have to suffer growing something because your favorite dinosaur is big.
I LIEK EM BIG. I LIKE EM CHUNKY. I LIKE EM ROUND. I LIKE EM FUNKY
onyx cargo
Recode growth will not allow for afking =)
violet magnet
well sure, if you feel like dropping $50 on an adult rex then that's your prerogative
me, i'm not going to spend actual real money on something so transient as a virtual dinosaur in a survival game if it means losing out on a good meal that week
onyx cargo
You'll have to be hella active
mighty marten
And thats fine, as long as its not EXTREMELY difficult to do so.
We dont need dark souls level hardness.
but I do enjoy a bit of challenge.
onyx cargo
Depends on the players we get tbh.
Its always the player base that makes or breaks an experience. If we get a lot of KOS types....then yea
mighty marten
Im njot saying that Rex should grow as quick as a Utah, though realistally, I dont see a utah growing faster than a rex does just because of its size.
but
For gameplay. Rex should obviously take longer
But I dont think rex should be that much HARDER to grow except more chances to die.
paper oriole
rex should be a challenge to grow so theres not fucking 70 of them on any active server lol
onyx cargo
^
mighty marten
Nah.
paper oriole
yah
mighty marten
Then you'll have people upset they cant get their favorite dinosaur
paper oriole
rexes are just annoying when you see or hear one every few minutes
mighty marten
That'll end up being a problem.
paper oriole
ruins the game for people who dont immediately jump to "muh famous apex"
onyx cargo
70/150 players being rexes would suck
paper oriole
tyrannosaurus, more like tyrannoverrated and overplayed
mighty marten
Rex is a VERY popular dinosaur IRL
onyx cargo
And thats fine
mighty marten
SO they'll have to keep that in mind that if peopl cant actually play what they want.
then the game wont do as well
Im not saying it should be super easy either
onyx cargo
But it should be more a challenge to hit adulthood
violet magnet
people upset they can't be their favorite dinosaur or people upset that they can't even play the fucking game because there's rexes everywhere
which takes precedence?
paper oriole
rex shouldnt be easy to row just because its a popular dinosaur
paper oriole
it's an apex and should be a challenge to grow
mighty marten
ALL Dinosaurs should be a challenge to grow
paper oriole
apexes moreso
violet magnet
hEH
onyx cargo
Apexes in general should be a pain
violet magnet
utah an apex
mighty marten
The recode changes the current system
paper oriole
lol no it's not an apex
paper oriole
this isnt their ecosystem
mighty marten
A rex will never be hunting a utah and vice versa
paper oriole
this is an ecosystem with multiple biggest of the big predators
mighty marten
That is not the intention of the recode
paper oriole
realism ecosystems got nothing to do with it
violet magnet
apexes are called "apexes" BECAUSE they're the top of the food chain in the game's ecosystem
mighty marten
Ok and again
the games ecosystem changes with the recode
utah wont be hunting a rex.
paper oriole
rex shouldnt be as easy to grow as a utah
mighty marten
And a rex wont be hunting a utah
violet magnet
temporarily
mighty marten
Rex should be as 'easy' to grow as a utah just take more time which means you have more chances to grow
err
more chances to die
I rather not we have a bazillion utahs running around barking as we do now.
paper oriole
as it is right now? where servers are overrun with 50 gigas and rexes
violet magnet
i rather not we have a bazillion rexes and gigas running around murdering everything as we do now
paper oriole
exactly
mighty marten
On my server, Utahs and rex's are the top palyed dinosaurs
I see alot of dilos too.
violet magnet
on your server
paper oriole
it's so annoying and underwhelming seeing a pack of gigas and rexes every few minutes wiping herds and mid tier packs
violet magnet
on the server i play there are regularly no other carnis except rexes and gigas
mighty marten
I rather not see as many Utahs as I see now.
mighty marten
So I cant get behind "Apex's should be Dark Souls level difficult to get."
violet magnet
lol i can
paper oriole
since theres a ton of more small tiers being added like oviraptor utah may become a bit less popular but probably not by much
mighty marten
and thats fine.
I just dont think a rex or an apex in general should have any added difficulty except for time.
cause that in itself, is a difficulty
paper oriole
3 utahraptors cant wipe out herds or packs of mid tiers like 3 rexes or gigas
mighty marten
You have more chances to starve
You shouldn't be hunting packs...
Utahs should be hunting things like Ceratos, Dilos and smaller creatures than a para
paper oriole
yeah well a couple apexes can fucking annihilate herds and packs
violet magnet
why not
apexes are the strongest thing in their ecosystem, why shouldn't they have any added difficulty?
paper oriole
destroy ecosystems when there's 10 groups of apexes running around sport killing because theyre bored
mighty marten
No, Apex's aren't the strongest thing in their ecoyssyem. You dont see a rex hunting a utah
it doesn't happen
They are TOP of the food chain, but they cant actively just hunt everything
violet magnet
this mans thinks utah is an apex
paper oriole
you dont see gigas and rexes taking trips to the docks to kill the RPtors there? not that that's any loss but it happens all the time
violet magnet
i see apexes hunting utahs all the time wym
mighty marten
ptors?
Wow those are shitty utahs then
who can literally out stam and out run anything
violet magnet
dumb cocky utahs that think they can fight a rex, more like
mighty marten
Well yea, but thats dumb people who think they can ass ride xD
toxic mantle
What did I walk into
mighty marten
thats not on the apex
paper oriole
giga especially is good at running down herds of mid tiers, and rex groups which include sub adults do the same all the time
violet magnet
"They are TOP of the food chain, but they cant actively just hunt everything"
yes they can
wtf server are u playing on
mighty marten
I play on Nycta with actual rules instead of the free for all main servers
violet magnet
also with no alt-turn
paper oriole
yikes
mighty marten
If you need alt turn, thats on you.
paper oriole
no alt servers with hunting rules
mighty marten
Thats just even more buffs to a rex
violet magnet
oh no i need a game mechanic to be able to effectively play the game
paper oriole
balance is based on officials
toxic mantle
:/
mighty marten
Yes, and I disagree with the balance put in.
toxic mantle
SOOOO
gritty helm
depending on how Ai is gonna work post recode/rebuild and what the intended prey item should be for the apex's I feel that will be the added difficulty for apex's specifically (since I imagine intended prey for the small bois and girls will be pretty easy to take down)
toxic mantle
Crab ai amirite
paper oriole
where alt turn is enabled and there's no shitty body rules to artificially control the ecosystem due to the chaos of having 900 apexes swarming the island
violet magnet
horsheshoe crab ai when
mighty marten
I dont see why a rex should be harder to grow than a Utah except in time.
toxic mantle
I don't generally care to have ai unless its dino related.
mighty marten
I would like to see proper AI
like actually smart AI
I could actually do away with PvP if the AI was actually intelligent and fun/engaging
toxic mantle
Well hopefully that's what were are getting
mighty marten
Hopefully.
violet magnet
why tho
you still haven't given a reason why a rex should be easy to grow other than "it's a popular dinosaur" and "they don't attack utahs"
mighty marten
I never said it would be easier to grow?
It would have the added difficulty of taking much more time than au tah
A rex grows to full in... what six hours give or take
violet magnet
"It would have the added difficulty of taking much more time than au tah"
it already does
toxic mantle
Oh were back to the general chat 2.0 ok
mighty marten
a utah is... two I think?
violet magnet
but there are still swarms of them
gritty helm
the time isn't really a challenge when you have AI spawning on you like popcorn
mighty marten
You still haven't given me a reason why Apex should have an added difficulty over time being grown
err
paper oriole
because there's TOO MANY APEXES
mighty marten
I mean on top
You cant fucking dictitate who gets to play what dinosaur just because you are tired of seeing it
violet magnet
because an Apex is the top of the food chain and can bulldoze pretty much everything else in the game when they're in groups, so they should be harder to grow so the ecosystem doesn't get overrun with them
mighty marten
Thats going toget alot of flak
paper oriole
and you shouldn't be able to just ruin the game for everybody playing a mid tier because you have a boner for rex
mighty marten
because you're going to have people who aren't amazing at this game
who cant play their favorite dinosaur
covert birch
Good then they can go get better
mighty marten
Or you can?
paper oriole
then they can play on nycta or sandbox
covert birch
Just cuz a dino is popular dont mean its gonna be just as easy as another dino who is less popular to grow. (Not including growth times)
paper oriole
the natural state of the game should encourage a balanced ecosystem and if you want to play on a server with 75% rex orgy population go to one with grows
covert birch
People will have to learn the game after its updated and either deal with not bein their favorite dino or learn how to play their favorite dino
mighty marten
Lol
paper oriole
you already said you play on nycta so just buy some rex grows lol
violet magnet
killer comeback 10/10
mighty marten
And you play on the mix pack servers where you see rex's and gigas teaming up lmao
violet magnet
nah
mighty marten
Not my fault youw ant trike to just go around thumping everything
paper oriole
lmao nope
mighty marten
Which is already one of the strongest dinosaurs on the game haha
paper oriole
i dont play trike it gets raped by any giga with more than 2 brain cells lol
violet magnet
now comes the part where he calls us salty herbi mains for having strong opinions about rexes
mighty marten
You're the ones being salty lmao
paper oriole
you're the one crying that rex shouldnt be a challenge to grow because it's your fave dino
mighty marten
Who said rex is my favorite dinosaur?
gritty helm
all anyone has said is that apex's should have some level of difficulty to grow. how is that salt?
mighty marten
Lol
I was pointing out because you're salty over your bad server having a issue that Rex's should basically be extinct.
violet magnet
you've been going on about how people won't be able to play their favorite dino (rex) for 15 minutes, how else are we supposed to read that
mighty marten
DM, they would be harder to grow because they would take 3-4x as long to grow
paper oriole
i don't think somebody who plays on nycta is in the spot to call any server bad
you dont even know where i play
keep playing on your body-down-rules buy-an-apex paradise server and let those who want an actual diverse balanced ecosystem to play in keep to the officials
win win
mighty marten
Lmao.
Someones salty.
have to actually go to personal insults because you dont have an actual arguement. GG mate.
gritty helm
longer growth times would not make growing any animal inherently more difficult, just more tedious.
covert birch
An adult Utah would prolly die off pretty easily
It ain't bout the stage of growth as much the dino itself
violet magnet
"have to actually go to personal insults"
mighty marten
fair you got me.
covert birch
Any stage of rex larger then early sub will have as much of a chance at defending itself as utah
violet magnet
we've made our argument multiple times, you're just dismissing everything we say because muh rex
mighty marten
You've not had any arguement except. "MUH SERVER"
"MUH HERBIS"
Ive been using rex as a example thanks.
My favoriet dinosaur is a Cerato
I just dont like your opinion of "Fuck everyone else."
paper oriole
lmao wen did anybody make "muh herbies" i stated that apex groups wipe out mid tier packs and herds
violet magnet
reading comprehension what is
mighty marten
Your name #BuffTrike is pretty obvious
paper oriole
rofl
covert birch
Personally my opinion is fuck stronger things more then smaller things
Gets more people to be small
Creating an ecosystem
paper oriole
i never made an herbivore argument in this discussion though try again buddy
mighty marten
Im more of the opinion. "Let people play what they want instead of forcing people to pay for a game and forced to play a dinosaur they never even heard of."
Ok not forcing people to pay for the game
thats a bit off
paper oriole
just play on a server with grows instead of ruining the ecosystem of every server
mighty marten
Not if these two have it their way
covert birch
They will learn from mistake improve then play better
paper oriole
then people can play what they want on those servers and/or have an engaing and balanced ecosystem in the better other servers
covert birch
Then they get easier
covert birch
All servers are having issues rn
paper oriole
obviously the balance of the game is bad and thats why it is being fixed
mighty marten
The game is an issue hah
mighty marten
But again, I dont see any reason why Rex should have a... nerf.
because people dont want to be killed by them
paper oriole
nobody said nerf rex?
mighty marten
nerf togrowing?
covert birch
It's not specifically rex
mighty marten
or something
covert birch
It's all apexs
violet magnet
indeedy, no dinosaur should be easy to play
paper oriole
rex itself is fine it's just too easy to grow so there are too many of them
mighty marten
All dinosaurs are too easy to grow
its not the rex's fault
its the fact that AI is dumb as shit
and afk growing
covert birch
Which is both bein fixed
paper oriole
all dinos are easy peasy so people generally pick the strongest because theyre all piece of cake
mighty marten
But rex should not have a disadvantage to a utah growing up.
covert birch
The thing is tho to encourage more smalls
Is that larger stuff needs to be harder to grow
violet magnet
rex's disadvantage to utah is no alt-turn
mighty marten
Alt turn right now
paper oriole
rex shouldnt be as easy to get as something it oneshots and isnt large enough to annihilate packs of mid tiers
mighty marten
is only benificial to the rex cause BB and ass riding are both dumb
covert birch
What
gritty helm
???
covert birch
Bb is getting a rework
paper oriole
ass riding won't be a viable kill tactic either
covert birch
Current game dont matter XD
mighty marten
Alt- turn, right now, is only benificial to the rex because BB and Ass riding are dumb
Blue
Their entire argeument tonight was based off current game
covert birch
As a giga I've killed plenty of Rex's rn
paper oriole
nothing is changing for the current game
mighty marten
and their server problems
violet magnet
no...?
covert birch
Their entire arguement was how recode is gonna fix current games issues
Like Alex spam
Apex*
mighty marten
Ok and thats FINE, but their arguement tonight was because their servers have apex spam. Correct.
violet magnet
my argument is based off of apexes being the top of the food chain/strong as fuck and how too many of them creates an imbalance
mighty marten
Ok, and my arguement is that its not customer friendly to say "Fuck peopl who wanna play their favorite dinosaur."
covert birch
Their justification for said arguement was what cherry said
mighty marten
You need a middle ground
You cant just make it dark souls level. I dont like dark souls. I dont need that frustration
violet magnet
the middle ground is making apexes harder to grow
covert birch
And smalls eqsier
covert birch
People will need a learning curve to be able to play stronger stuff
violet magnet
what's the middle ground then
mighty marten
there isn't much small prey for them
violet magnet
austro can scavenge
gritty helm
"alt turn is only beneficial to rex" you mean beneficial to anything who's turn radius is worse than utah's since you can kill pretty much anything by just ass riding it since you can't turn around and face your attacker without alt.
covert birch
New small ai and austro getting rework
violet magnet
ANY carni can scavenge
mighty marten
There is no reason it should be HARDER to grow a rex over a utah based on time, but it should be harder to keep it
It shouldn't be significantly harder to grow a dinosaur, only to keep it
I dont like seeing a bazillion rex;s
covert birch
Yes harder to keep it. That applies while growing
mighty marten
but I dont like telling people "Fuck your rex."
mighty marten
Ok fine, then based on that, it should be hard to die as an apex
and super easy to die as a small
so you would keep an apex longer
paper oriole
who's saying "fuck rex"? it's "fuck apex overpopulation" lol
mighty marten
No its really not.
covert birch
It will be hard to die as an apex when your grown. Your main threat is other apexs and large mid tier packs
mighty marten
Utahs dont have any real natural predator
violet magnet
yes they do-
mighty marten
Blue, then I can agree with that.
violet magnet
wtf
covert birch
But itll be hard to be an adult
mighty marten
I disagree then.
covert birch
Because itll be hard to grow a red
mighty marten
im confused lol
covert birch
Rex giga spino eyc
paper oriole
?????? utah can get merked by tons of shit in game its a oneshot to many mid tiers and all apexes
how does it not have any predators
mighty marten
If they get caught?
Utah is one of the FASTEST carnivores in game
onyl the carno is faster
violet magnet
utah's predator is dilo and everything bigger than it
do u understand how ecosystems work
covert birch
The adult apex should last longer than the average smaller dino. The thing is reaching that long lasting apex should be a challenge
mighty marten
Dilo is not a real predator to the utah
paper oriole
ambushes, other small tiers who are coming, dying in a hunt
mighty marten
Utah out runs and outstams and out jumps it
covert birch
Dilo 1 shots it
mighty marten
If the dilo can get away
covert birch
A smart dilo can wipe out a Utah pack
Hell back when I played on nycta I killed utahs easuly
violet magnet
a jackrabbit can outrun a fox, doesn't mean it doesn't have any natural predators
mighty marten
Those were bad utahs then.
Utahs can just ass ride a dilo
but again, ass riding is dumb
covert birch
Or ya know ya juke em
mighty marten
Thats really based off skill of a utah
off the skill of the one you're trying ot juke*
covert birch
Move sporadically. They cant predict ya moving and they cant astride ya properly
But that ain't really the discussion
mighty marten
I just dont have the same opinion as them is all. I dont like being told if I want to grow a rex, too bad so sad, its extremely difficult and you'll end up rage quitting eventually. lol
I dont play video games to rage.
Thats not the same as having a challenge.
covert birch
The idea is it's meant to be a challenge
mighty marten
It should be a challenge to play this game period. Not just pick and chosoe wants going tobe a challenge.
covert birch
It won't be as big of a challenge as let's say utah
But both will be a challenge just one more than the other
paper oriole
what I don't understand is, why ruin the ecosystem of every server when you can simply play on one which gives grows for your favourite dino
a simple solution no?
covert birch
Cuz sometimes people wont buy groes
violet magnet
lawd o' mercy
the whole game is going to be a challenge, just that for a more powerful dino it'll be more challenging because the payoff is bigger than it is when you grow a utah
paper oriole
many servers use points systems which don't require actual money too for grows
mighty marten
Sure, as long as it means my rex can take on your para and win hands down, every time, you cant win, cant escape, you just die every hour while I can keep it for a full day. lol
paper oriole
lmao what does that have to do with anything
covert birch
I still grow my dinos on servers I play on. I got enough points to buy me 12 pues
Grow regularly*
mighty marten
I dont grow as I dont have the time.
but again
I play on Nycta and the amount of people make it so AI doesn't really spawn
So, if the recode actually goes out properly, I may even switch to Official
Just because the current system, officla servers have no interest to me
covert birch
Hell the whole idea of official shrek is that rules wont be needed cuz ingame systems will take their place
mighty marten
But, I also have no interest in playing on the first iternation. None of the dinosaurs being put out on the first wave interest me. I'll wait for my Cerato
Thats it hte recode is as spectaclur as its being hyped up to be.
thats if the*))
violet magnet
see this is why overpopulated apexes are a nuisance
because they can take down a para and the para can't win, can't escape, just dies
now multiply that by 2 dozen apexes and 4 paras because nobody likes playing para because it's just carnivore fodder right now
covert birch
Hell I hate all the 1st iteration dinos. I'm still gonna play to learn how tf the game works
mighty marten
I see many issues with the current game Cherry.
Packs of Utahs not actually hunting, just killing off juvi's left and right because nothing can stop them.
They dont actually play properly, they just act like dicks
but again, thats on my server where its 200+ people.
violet magnet
that's a player issue and the one thing that will not change with the recode
people being dicks
mighty marten
I agree. Its a player issue, which is why I dont want to see Utahs being everywhere either.
Ecoysytem is imporant, but so is your paying customers.
I dont want to see a bazillion apex's either, but I dont wanna see anything overabundance.
violet magnet
i'm a paying customer
everybody who bought the game is a paying customer
paper oriole
it's not just utahs, i see carno and giga players especially camping the areas by spawns to kill juvies lol
mighty marten
Except Dryo's.
covert birch
Tenos gonna be rapin utahs everywhere xd
paper oriole
i mean seeing and hearing 500 utahs every few min in a server is annoying, same as seeing apexes as often
tenontos
paper oriole
basically little iguanadon with a bigass smacking tail
violet magnet
mighty marten
Alright, so, let me ask you this jokerman. What system would you put in place to make growing an apex harder?
Eh lame. I rather the iquanodon be in the game with the big thumbclaw
covert birch
Apexs harder to grow = get hungrier faster, carni ai that see em will go for em more cuz bigger meals, herbi ai more aggressive towards em (not insanely tho like old trike ai)
paper oriole
i want more large mean herbie slike iguano too, maybe some day...
i'm not sure exactly what i'd put in place, maybe debuffs for not growing an apex properly like if you keep targeting small/slow shit as a sub apex you don't max out as strong but this would go for all dinos
except smaller dinos would be able to hunt small shit and be fine
mighty marten
Ok.
That right there
Is something I can agree too
I thought you meant like, trex getting hungrier and thirstier
paper oriole
an apex living on small weak shit for an extended time would just be weaker and easier pickings for mid tiers and better apex players
mighty marten
but yea, I agree. You should be hunting things properly instead of smaller things
I absolutely agree
paper oriole
that would help to weed out the bad apex players and therefor there would be less of them thriving at adult stage
mighty marten
But all dinosaurs should have that
but losing an apex is alot worse than losing a utah
lol
paper oriole
yeah all dinos, it would be the same for all of them but the needs of an apex may be harder to reach since they require bigger and more difficult prey to thrive
violet magnet
yes
covert birch
Finally agreeing on soemthin XD
violet magnet
so if more apexes die before reaching adulthood that means...less adult apexes
paper oriole
yeah they'd have to actively seek players or large ai to thrive instead of sneaking around killing homas and oros
and juvies
obviously juvie apexes could be healthy killing small things
paper oriole
and weak apexes who make it to adulthood would be picked off, maybe they'd have a visual indicator like showing ribs similar to a starving animal
mighty marten
Blue, I dont agree with a change in their hunger. I think all dinosaurs should have different hungers and thirsts obviously
and different needs, but not that rex needs to eat and eat and eat and eat.
covert birch
When I said hunger thing I mean apexs when growing would drain more. Not insanely much but faster then let's say a dilo or utah
It ain't gonna be some blob that's gotta keep eating nonstop
paper oriole
large things need to eat a ton irl to sustain/grow their bulk
violet magnet
i'm still of the opinion that sub rex/sub giga should have to eat like the hangry teenager it is but...eeehhh
paper oriole
but if you are supposed to be targeting lage prey you could sustain yourself with less hunts, but more difficult and risky ones
covert birch
Imo sub stages should have the worst hunger drains
Does a bell curve type shape with hunger drains throughout growth
violet magnet
ye
mighty marten
Would this also apply to the big herbis?
covert birch
Hatch not much
Juvi meh
Sub quite a bit
Adult medium amount
mighty marten
So trike wouldn't be easy to grow?
covert birch
Herbis should be slightly easier to grow then carnis but yes there still would be difficulty imo
violet magnet
...idk about herbis
trike should be AS difficult to grow as the carni apexes, but trike isn't AS popular as them so making it TOO difficult might drive players away from it
mighty marten
So, ill be honest. Ido enjoy apex's
covert birch
Thats why they should be slightly easier
mighty marten
In the CURRENT iteration in terms of gameplay, I like the giga.
but my favorite Apex just for the dinosaur it is, Im a Spinosaurus and Cerato guy
covert birch
Attract some players but not make herbis overpopulated
mighty marten
I disagree
I think herbis should populate more on the island
but...
again thats on the player choice
covert birch
They should be more populate
mighty marten
but AI wise, I think we should have more herbi AI than Carni AI
covert birch
That's why I'm saying they should be slightly easier
violet magnet
the smaller herbis, not the big ones
or we run into the problem of unhuntable herds with 15 trikes
mighty marten
I would LOVE to see a rex AI walking around
mighty marten
I want all dinosaurs to be AI. So we dont know if its a player or not
and obviously, hunting a player should be harder than hunting a computer
So, theres a risk factor there
😄
covert birch
Well after how dondi was talking bout ai
Who knows if they are deadlier or not then players
mighty marten
Well, I want actually good AI.
Challenging computer AI
but... yea I suppose thats too much to hope for.
But, as it is, I want good Ai and i'd easily leave Nycta
lol
covert birch
Well the AI is gonna be scary according to foz
mighty marten
They all say different things about the recode
So I wont hold my breath about good AI
covert birch
Well every dev has been hyping up ai
So itll prolly be good for a day 1 build
Then improved over time
As all things will be
mighty marten
We'll see.
I just hope they dont take too long to release dinosaurs
and im hoping for a Cerato rework
Cerato, as it is now, is pretty shit 😭
mighty marten
Eh....
covert birch
Soon as in prolly a month or 1.5 months max
mighty marten
What was the reason to not release everything at once? Was it to form an ecosystem or was it to balance things out and make tweaks?
covert birch
Form ecosystem
mighty marten
ah ok
mighty marten
Well, im hoping they wipe the game everytime they put out the next batch if dinosaurs
so we can avoid the smallers just wiping out the juvi population
covert birch
I doubt everything will be getting killed by other stuff
Map being so large and the fact ya get airdropped in the island wen ya spawn
Ya will be able to see any large threats while falling down. Like a pack of utahs on the nearby beach or somethin
mighty marten
Well, either way, I am regardless excited for the recode, only to see how they changed up the game. Im still hoping for all the apex's to be able to murder each other within certain situations.
sonic cloud
@mighty marten “so we can avoid the smallers just wiping out the juvi population”
That’s literally the point of small dinosaurs
If you can’t handle juvi apex you don’t deserve to play the adult
valid zephyr
apexes should be extremely difficult to grow, with only the best players making it to adult.
smaller animals eating the juvies is a good thing.
thorny crag
well the game should still be fun
being the "man of constant death" is no fun xD but I get what you mean, should be more challanging to grow everything to adult, even when you do it at night when servers are empty
slow stream
Big map + creatures smol but terrifying and eating your juvie ass + creatures eating your subbie ass + long growth time = the perfect balance
sonic cloud
No one forced you to be the “man of constant death”, if you can’t handle apex play something easier
onyx cargo
@thorny crag i dont understand your suggestion bc you can see the server your on when you press tab?
thorny crag
yeah Jagilis, sounds like you have seen some bad times^^ but honestly, make it hard but not extremely hard. just my opinion. there will be humans with shotguns and sniper rifles, I think the game will be harder for all of us ..
onyx cargo
I wonder if there will be an option to play as a traitor merc
Can i kill other mercs as a merc
-big think face-
Also dont feel bad about the memory thing. I have adhd so......yea ......
thorny crag
nobody is perfect xD
last mortar
@waxen cloak With the Isle's history, I dont think have stamina equal hunger is a good idea. Also that is the time when carnis should be at their most vicious and desperate.
thorny crag
mating dance /song would be amazing, not only neccecary to create eggs but loud - so you would have to be cautious and find a good spot so nobody can spot the nest
waxen cloak
o
last mortar
Besides, herbis can graze remember
waxen cloak
oh right...
well Don said it wouldnt fill you up though
Just keep you from not dying
So it would work for herbis
the intent of this system is just to make you want more food
maybe it doesnt have to be so drastic, maybe ober time it goes down
*over
last mortar
Of course survival is important, but even animals need time to have fun
waxen cloak
I guess
I just thought it would make people play smarter, since their lives could depend on just a single hunt
or make them migrate more often, to keep in tip-top shape
last mortar
We'll have to see. We are lab rats, the devs are going to be watching how we play
waxen cloak
That it true, The fact that systems that try to make players do a certain thing sometimes go sideways
I think it would be cool to test it out for a bit
thorny crag
happy to be lab rat but anxious to be hunted by humans soon
thorny crag
well, I would love to see tribals around but not the snipers and whatnot
waxen cloak
yeah I still want mercs, armed w/ a flashlight and maybe a pistol that does a little damage
but not enough to kill a rex or an allo or anything
thorny crag
we will see how it turns out
covert birch
You'll start with nothin but a knife and flashlight
We've been told ya wont have guns at the start since they op
waxen cloak
Right, knife and light first, find guns later
covert birch
Exactly
thorny crag
waxen cloak
Either you being prey, or you being the hunter. it was a blast
lol a torch a fire torch
think minecraft
thorny crag
I'm very curious what will happen next
waxen cloak
same
I feel teased a lot
Dondi and para always talkin' about the tribals and the mercs
or, more recently I mean
talkin' about lore...
maybe they're holding a secret
maybe humans w/ recode
probably not
yup that sounds dumb
sounded better in my head
forget that
I don't want to expect anything from the devs
I mean anything more than what they can give
tf am i sayin'
thorny crag
I expect something to happen, but nothing specific, we will see..
this is old but here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtMEkg99js&list=PLahJqjdFsmn3u0D5H7akJFFhpEgc-NjsA&index=198
slow stream
...what
thorny crag
hm I guess how weird they act about the lore (not wanting to lose one word about it) - there yould be something
waxen cloak
thorny crag
I guess the new map will be holding some secrets we have to unfold
but that's just speculation, no idea
thorny crag
maybe spreaded around like in Ark
imagine a treetrunk with a secret in it and you are a big dino that can't really see it xD
waxen cloak
so you pay a tribal to get it
covert birch
@barren zephyr I dont think spino and sucho should be debuffed for only eating meat. Especially after dondi said spino will fo what it wants
covert birch
Plus Fisher only dinos just make for bad gameplay
onyx cargo
I think a burrowing system with multiple tunnles would be cool, but unfortunately that might lead to people just camping out underground for all their dino lives never to see risk again =/
@barren zephyr
Unlessssssss we had multiple dinos that can burrow to give the underground some dangerous pests.....or tunnles could collapse from larger dinos stepping on them
Ooooor there was a dig up option
barren zephyr
@onyx cargo yeah that would be a good system to counterbalance the system, but I'm just thinking if the game is going to replicate dinos that burrow realistically the burrows will have tunnels, nesting chambers, bedding etc. Also as far as i am aware the juvi Utah can get in burrows at present 😛
onyx cargo
Temporarily.
Will shant return though?
Tbh. If i dont get to play a taco, whats the point of recode
thorny crag
they are going to rework every dino I think
also why carry in hands when spino has a huge mouth ? 😄 just as example
covert birch
Shant is a soft no. Kissen kinda hinted at its return @onyx cargo
But that's a long way off
onyx cargo
Gotcha gotcha.
carmine cobalt
@thorny crag So it can carry two babies at once one in the mouth and one in hands
onyx cargo
Dino hands are not for holding, unfortunately
Least most of them
I cant think of many animals with hands that hold tbh.
Realistically i mean
Mouth can hold many bbys tho
mighty marten
@sonic cloud Sorry. I dont think you should be rewarded for killing a Juvi rex as a grown Utah because you cant handle hunting things your own size properly.
literally goes both ways.
Locking Dinosaurs behind a gate is a terrible idea. It should not be ridiculosuly difficult to grow anything in a video game. Not saying it should be easier to grow an apex, but it should not be ridiculsouly hard to grow as y'all seem to be suggesting
mental sleet
it being ridiculously hard is fine, as long as it isn't ridiculously boring.
Difficulty in a game is fine.
mighty marten
Not everyone enjoys Dark Souls difficulty
I personally dislike the game as its more frustration than fun.
I enjoy challenges, as long as its not to a stupid level
Also good morning.
sonic cloud
This game isn’t for you then, should be clued in by the fact that the game is toted as a hardcore survival game
onyx cargo
Dark souls is not a survival game and not comparable.
mighty marten
Uh.... you do realize we were not comparing the game, just the type of difficulty?
onyx cargo
Its not the same though.
onyx cargo
I know but its not a good comparison bc like
mighty marten
Meaning, super extreme frustration difficulty
onyx cargo
Hmmm i cant explain my thought process on how i am reading into this so nvm
sonic cloud
If you can’t handle the difficulty of earning the strongest natural animals on the map, don’t play those animals?
You act as if someone’s holding a gun up to your head and saying “play apex” there’s plenty of alternatives if you aren’t up to the challenge
onyx cargo
OH
mighty marten
Im not talking about how you have to roll to dodge for Isle. Im talking about head banging, screaming at your computer and waking up the neighbors difficulty.
lol
onyx cargo
Dark souls youre forced to fight hard battles bc progression.
feral sedge
i want my apex so that i can trash on everyone else without the effort
sonic cloud
Then don’t play those animals with that level of difficulty @mighty marten
onyx cargo
The isle you are not forced to play apexes
feral sedge
oh it's gonna kill apexes espically
sonic cloud
Bruh, no one is saying that
feral sedge
way more than anything else
paper oriole
This fight is happening again nice
onyx cargo
Perhaps try ark if the isle gets too frustrating? Or minecraft with a dino mod im sure those exist........
Actually imma go see if i can play dino minecraft
severe idol
This fight is never ending, it seems.
onyx cargo
Dinocraft.......
mighty marten
It will never end because you have a large genre of people.
Wait that came out wrong
You have a large variety of opinions.
onyx cargo
Dinocraft is a real game im gonna lose my mind
mighty marten
Is it blocky dinosaus like minecraft?
sonic cloud
O course everything is going to have it difficult, apexes are the most powerful animals on the map excluding strains.
Why on Earth should any other animal be as difficult as them when they have no where near as much power or security at adulthood
mighty marten
xD
Apex's should not be frustratingly hard to play. Period. Its a terrible game design. You are not going to get a happy customer base.
I never said should be easy
but it should not be FRUSTRATING
paper oriole
They should be harder than the weaker dinos
mighty marten
I agree.
valid zephyr
Apexes should be hard, but not frustrating.
Aka making them starve over and over isn't fun. No one likes starving.
Having lots of deadly threats like large carni AI which will eat them is a good way of doing it, as being hunted is fun.
mighty marten
Ah so you're THAT extreme of a person
onyx cargo
Tbf. Everyone has a different level of frustrating.
Some people find dark souls frustrating, some find mix n matches frustrating
Some like the challenge
paper oriole
And killing juvie apexes is just natural behaviour irl even for herbivores, its how ecosystems keep themselves in check
mighty marten
and thats the problem Hige. Who is the devs going to cater to?
valid zephyr
I actively enjoy being hunted in the isle. It's a fun game of cat and mouse.
Starving just sucks and isn't enjoyable.
onyx cargo
? To themselves
feral sedge
the devs cater to themselves mostly
mighty marten
Jokerman. Thats fine, but you shouldn't be rewarded.
onyx cargo
It's their game
feral sedge
its always been dondis game
paper oriole
Youre naturally rewarded by seeing less apexes grown up
mighty marten
Remember how we talked about Apex's having to eat big things instead of small things in order to grow properly?
It should be the same concept
You should not be rewarded for playing an adult utah and avoiding actually hunting things like Dilos and things your size.
valid zephyr
imo adult apexes should be super rare, and super terrifying.
onyx cargo
^
mighty marten
You shouldn't stop people from playing their favorite dinosaur either though.
onyx cargo
Im gonna do my damndest to be a spoon
valid zephyr
they shouldn't be 2/3s of the server running round as adult rexes like EU-1 is now.
feral sedge
you really should
onyx cargo
Listen. Listen. Ark exists. Dinocraft exists, there's so many dino games
feral sedge
because then they ignore 99% of everything else
feral sedge
because "meh rex"
mighty marten
but we dont talk about that
paper oriole
For food but https://youtu.be/VCMPWI0iDQU
severe idol
I think it's about time the conversations here we're moved to #401470471750811669 or taken to DMs. You've lost the plot.
mighty marten
I paid for the game. I have a right to have my input
paper oriole
Natural behaviour outside of food source so it wouldnt play in
onyx cargo
Ok boomer
mighty marten
Lmao.
onyx cargo
Nyanyway
mighty marten
Jokerman. Than the idea of having apex's only hunting things their size is silly too. Big things hunt small things.
severe idol
Alright... time for both of you to find a different place to be. Strikes for you both, bans coming after.
severe idol
Don't care. It's offtopic.
onyx cargo
Was gonna follow up by saying we should have raids on human setglements when they come.
Lab outbreaks of beebs
Just want more opportunitys to raid things honestly
thorny crag
humans will be able to build ? I hope not, spam buildings incoming^^
paper oriole
if buildings cost a lot of resources to build and can be destroyed perhaps not
barren zephyr
I do not think humans should be able to build like.... massive towns with big buildings, however I support more minor low level building, like being able to put up fences, tents, put down bedrolls and some other things such as campfires. I feel there should be limits too, like with nests, you can only have one and after it is destroyed you hav to wait a short period of time to be able to make another
covert birch
Imo tribals should be able to build tent type stuff and mercs should be able to repair destroyed bases
barren zephyr
Oh ye that makes more sense, but I think Mercs should still be able to make temporary campsites simple but enough keep them "safe" till morning
thorny crag
yeah tents and stuff ok, even build a real trap for bigger dinos with spikes and things, cowered with leaves so maybe a trike falls into it and dies or gets stuck. but after emptying this it should disappear and max 1 trap like this per group/ single person
barren zephyr
Hmmm what if smaller traps could be set around, perhaps 3 per person depending on how close to other people's traps they are. Pitfall and snares would be cool to see and even run into tbh. imagine being a young dino and getting stuck in a snare, the more you pull the more your health and oxygen drain.
I see larger dino traps taking more than one person to set up, depending on how large it is perhaps?
However there should be a chance to break free, and if you break free or if someone steals what the trap managed to kill, then the trap will break and disappear. But if you manage to get your kill or if it isn't tripped, you could probably pick it back up
outer nebula
with the inclusion of collision its a necessary evil to add trample to large dino so tiny ones stay away as it walks.
civic bloom
I know this was a bit earlier in the chat
but, Apexes should be frustrating to grow
you don't just get to grow the most powerful thing in the ecosystem and not have a tough time
frosty igloo
paper oriole
???