alright try after the reco- I mean remake
#general-feedback-discussion
slow stream
last heath
absolutely genius, RyK. I love it
dreamy wharf
So basically you want the pachy to just go up slopes?
last heath
probably some steep slopes
valid zephyr
Love the idea of pachy going up really steep slopes.
Maybe a special animation for it.
Probably not as extreme as goats climbing though. They've got a serious gravity related bug.
indigo sun
I still dont even know how they get up in trees
lament thorn
goats are living memes
indigo sun
Do they float? Can they walk vertically? Are they just really fuckin good at jumping and landing in a specific spot?
ionic comet
I never anticipated goats being such adept climbers
valid zephyr
I think irl goats just have a serious gravity and friction related bug.
Only explanation.
ionic comet
A glitch in the simulation
valid zephyr
ionic comet
Devs need to fix the meta asap
indigo sun
I've got the answer: Goats broke the Earth like that dude did with Untitled Goose Game and now can walk anywhere they want
wintry cipher
Goats are an example of putting all skill points into balance
valid zephyr
give pachys a 1 in 10 chance to inherit the fainting goat gene.
if a carni gets within 10m, they immediatly fall over with their legs in the air
and can't move till it leaves the 10m radius
wintry cipher
....I feel like at first carnis would be so horribly amused they'd let it be and then just make it faint over and over
proper eagle
Make Dino’s swim underwater like spoons and sucohos
valid elk
You mean...like a crocodile?
weak rose
w
indigo sun
?
violet magnet
now i'm picturing a herd of pachies just walking along the dam like it's no big deal
https://youtu.be/RG9TMn1FJzc?t=178
"Fall damage? What's that???"
past valve
Pachy literally sucks rn, at least give it bonebreak
barren zephyr
I don't think you realize how long 3 seconds is
A Utah could but you probably like 3 to 4 times in that timeframe
civic bloom
idk how yall can try to shoot down a charge mechanic for the animals that literally charged as an attack "Ohh but uts just sprinting and attacking at the same time" Wrong
austere spruce
i think it's because bonebreak is just a kill shot. like it's all over for that dino that attacks you, you'll just keep hitting it until it dies. and i dont think they want similar tiers 1 shotting each other
valid zephyr
It’s the speed nerf and attack time cooldown I downvoted
It’s an awful dino already
civic bloom
pachy ahould only be able to apply bb on something small but charging for ceratopsians? its literally what they do.
austere spruce
how small?
civic bloom
similar weight tier such as utah and other small things. but not midtier or higher.
m a y b e dilo but even thats pushing it
but the charge mechanic should def still be a thing for pachy regardless if it does bb
slender spindle
bb be a defensive mechanic,
rex exists*
austere spruce
defensive as in you're supposed to break bones and run off? bc no one does that. everyone wants to fight, not run
night mountain
Yeah I think people are downvoting for the speed nerf.
Also even large modern day crocs and gators are too big to gallop, let alone deino
valid elk
Yeah, they do sort of a sprawl run, where as babies and "teens" can gallop
safe galleon
@fleet zephyr some of those dinosaurs aren't even in the game, also WHY would they be added
and they can't add indoraptor and indominus rex cus off copyright
lilac swallow
Dinosaur hybridization needs to die, now
brittle ivy
@fleet zephyr Make sure to read the pinned messages for suggestions. Simply asking to add specific dinosaurs isn't beneficial to the development team. Supplying information as to how they can be implemented along with mechanics unique to each species is helpful, instead! Also keep in mind that certain creatures, such as the indominus and indoraptor, are trademarked and copyright to other franchises.
It's fine, it's easy for folks to get excited! Please understand that for now the suggestion will be removed, but you are more than welcome to re-submit your suggestion again with the necessary meat to the suggestion itself. 
indigo sun
Return it?
patent spade
anything that renders a player completely incapable of defending itself is a bad mechanic. pachy is already slow enough so the speed nerf is unnecessary just because of bonebreak especially since most things 1 or 2 shot it anyways lol
brittle ivy
@fleet zephyr Unfortunately once a message is deleted I cannot undo the action. I suggest making a notepad or Word document and typing out your suggestion with bullet points for each dinosaur you wish to see in the game. It'll be easy to organize your thoughts and delegate mechanisms/unique aspects per dinosaur in that way while making it easier to read within the suggestions thread. 
lilac swallow
It was taken away following rules, the only way is getting returned is if said rules changed in less than 5 minutes
brittle ivy
Please move on
safe galleon
eh...
indigo sun
Then explain how it would add to the game
safe galleon
what would they add to the game?
indigo sun
More than that theyd be cool
patent spade
you have to think very thoroughly on why the devs should spend time and money making a dino. making the dinos isnt cheap
indigo sun
Would they affect the lore in any way? How would they be balanced and why would it be a good idea to spend $7000 per animal
safe galleon
...
indigo sun
If you really want em wait for the dev kit and mod them in
indigo sun
You'll have to wait. One person wanting a thing isn't a reason for the developers to spend $7,000 on that thing.
If you want to add more detail than "add this cause it's cool" i'm sure some more people might agree with your suggestion. However the lack of substance means the devs and most others would likely skim over the suggestion or ignore it completely.
patent spade
if you dont want to spend the time writing a thorough suggestion for the dino then why should the devs spend any time or money making it @fleet zephyr
that isnt a reason
indigo sun
Not a reason at all
safe galleon
an actual good reason
indigo sun
The world does not revolve around what you want
You cannot expect things to be done just because you want it
Im not hating
brittle ivy
Let it go and move on.
I've given them fuel to re-write their suggestion and improve upon it, it's up to them to do it or not. Let's not continue to clutter this channel, alright?
barren zephyr
I think the AI maia idea is definitely an interesting one, however, why Maia? Why not pachy, or... Galli?
blazing charm
Maiasaura means "Good Mother", it's been closely associated with eggs for a very long time, so I felt it was fitting for it to have some benefit for raising lots of young.
mighty girder
I think it raises a lot of issues granted I haven't watched the video
blazing charm
As for Pachy or Galli, I have some ideas.
blazing charm
Well, Males and Females would be required to raise offspring in the future.
That's already been confirmed.
mighty girder
So they have to raise at least 2 ai
blazing charm
As the suggestion currently stands, yes.
Seems fair enough considering if all goes well, you could potentally have an extra life for both parties.
barren zephyr
It's a big if on this one
blazing charm
Well, I probably should've mentioned that I honestly believe Maia's stats need some adjusting, mostly so that it either isn't as strong, or isn't able to escape as easily.
barren zephyr
Like I mean... cool, nest in AI. But at the same time, I feel more attached to players I suppose.
unborn quail
It's not like you can't nest both
and tbf, the mention of Stats isn't, really something anyone can do
blazing charm
The point of the AI offspring is to act as a stand-in, by all means you can nest players, the AI Offspring is just an optional thing.
unborn quail
We have no idea what combat is gonna be like
pseudo falcon
and not everyone wants to play Maia
barren zephyr
Yeah but... wouldn't that make players a bit more reckless then?
pseudo falcon
sometimes you go on servers where no one wants to play with you
barren zephyr
And what if before you're able to take control of the babies the predator kills all of them
barren zephyr
I mean... I guess
blazing charm
Well, you can take control of 1 offspring per brood, and that's the point. It's a reward for raising the young safely.
barren zephyr
it isnt that overpowered when you think about it, you are spending all that time and resources raising the ai offspring so its not like its just some free life, you also have to protect it and etc etc
blazing charm
Or, you could use them as the meat-shields.
mellow fox
It would promote toxic kos that Maia players are already infamous of
have second life
easy to grow
2nd life doesn't even takes as long as the first one to get back into
Congratulations, you encouraged Yoloing Maias even more, half of the Maia herd will act like homing missiles against anything they see because they can just hop onto their ai 2nd life and run away if shit goes south
mellow fox
It opens up many ways to abuse it in unintended ways
pseudo falcon
really...
barren zephyr
IDK it's just a big fat if man
pseudo falcon
Maia won't be able to be as toxic in the rework we should hope
blazing charm
Even though, you wouldn't start off as a full adult, can't control what the babies are doing while you are being killed, so there is a high chance they could run into another predator, and now you have no means to get a second life.
barren zephyr
Just doesn't sound very much like "The Isle"
blazing charm
NOT TO MENTION, the goal should be elimating that playstyle altogether.
blazing charm
The second life shouldn't be considered as a band-aid, I hate Bloodthirsty Maiasaura as much as anyone, I want that to go away.
unborn quail
I mean the whole idea behind these dinosaurs is death isn't actually death, you just come back again
As Zelm said it, the end is never the end
pseudo falcon
this version of the game shouldn't be what people should expect the game to look like
mighty girder
If it was more like, you raise x amount instead of just 1 MAAAYBE
pseudo falcon
the whole point of the remake is to make the game not shitty anymore
mighty girder
like make it be good mother instead of just 1
barren zephyr
Jaffad i like it tbh, but im 99% sure it wont be in-game.
blazing charm
that would be so situational, Scarlet.
pseudo falcon
watch the video. @mighty girder
mighty girder
Raising one baby, at least atm (Im not gonna go off recode promises because we dont know what will happen and what wont) isnt hard
something as big as this should be difficult
With the system that should be coming, your dinos ID will be tied to its offspring
barren zephyr
I know it's not actually the end
mighty girder
meaning the game should be able to track how many kids have made it to adult
barren zephyr
But usually you completely lose your progress
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Well, that's why it's just a suggestion, I don't expect it to be chosen but I'd like to hope it will at the very least be considered.
barren zephyr
That's how it's always been
mighty girder
so, once you've made the number, THEN if you nest an AI you can choose to respawn as it
I think thats a way to make it more fair
barren zephyr
the idea that its some sort of "free life"isnt accurate either btw, again, you are putting your time and resources into raising and protecting these ai, its not like you are just having some free pass
I guess the only downside to becoming AI baby is you don't get to pick your skin
pseudo falcon
Yeah, but you spent an long an tedious amount of time growing an offspring. It's a reward and a way to get what you would already get with alt accounts @barren zephyr
mighty girder
We don't know if its changing at all
blazing charm
Scarlet, again. You can't chose where all of them go, there's a high chance most of them would get slaughtered, you need atleast ONE to survive so you don't just lose all the hard work for onothing.
barren zephyr
hence why its a suggestion
Oh well, I'm just iffy on it. Not sure exactly why, just am
mellow fox
I just think a second life as a mechanism is too good to be the dedicated mechanic of one dinosaur.
When the core of the game is survival and the strongest way of survival is cheating death itself
And again, sounds way too abuseable
pseudo falcon
and they can't even grow past fresh adult as specified.
meaning they're slower
weaker
you don't get a full grown maia when you come back to life as one of your offspring
you get a timewalk
mighty girder
There is a difference between something being said and it being added, this game's taught me that through the years. Its turned me from a believer to a Ill believe it once its in sort of person
pseudo falcon
you speed up your growth
blazing charm
Also, the amount of time required to actually ensure your offspring survive.
barren zephyr
the whole idea of maia is to be a herding/group animal, the mechanic incentivizes you to play that way,
mighty girder
but yeah this just seems too unfair all things considered
pseudo falcon
it's like having alt accounts without it being broken and it you don't need to pay to win lol
mighty girder
cool idea but
barren zephyr
how is it unfair? you are putting your time and resources into developing the offspring
pseudo falcon
exactly.
paper oriole
carnis are getting heaps of unique mechanics but one is suggested for an herbivore and that's too much?
blazing charm
@mighty girder Dedicating your time to protecting offspring, and then being rewarded with a slight headstart on growth for an animal that's main purpose is running away.
barren zephyr
^
blazing charm
That's unfair?
blazing charm
Yes, if the mechanic was added in the CURRENT state, it would be broken as hell.
barren zephyr
^
pseudo falcon
true.
blazing charm
But I am talking about when nesting isn't such a cake walk, when proper combat comes in and battle Maia's can go away.
barren zephyr
current isle shouldnt be used as a basis for future mechanics, its being completely done away with
blazing charm
You people seem so obsessed with how the game currently is, that you can't think about what it COULD BE.
barren zephyr
^
mighty girder
Silence because I'm cooking and on mobile yes
I type on my computer not my phone lmfao
Dealing with if's doesn't really make sense to me
barren zephyr
its a suggestion channel..
mighty girder
If nesting becomes actually difficult and Maia isn't queen at just running away
barren zephyr
thats what its for
mighty girder
Then sure
blazing charm
Cue Dial-up sound
paper oriole
basing a suggestion on the current state of the game when it's being totally redone doesn't make sense to me
mighty girder
Ah yes
blazing charm
@mighty girder That is why, I am suggesting a reason, to NOT have nesting be super easy, and for Maia to be toned down in exchange for something else.
mighty girder
I'm genuinely no longer interested in it at all if you're gonna make comments like queue dial up sounds because someone disagrees
blazing charm
Moreso because you just keep ignoring my points on how the game can, and will change.
barren zephyr
^
mellow fox
Still, if you want to debate it isn't a second life, I mean, fair, but it is still a "save file" if you wish, and it still takes away a huge chunk of death being the ultimate penalty.
And well, about the state of the game, we don't exactly know how the game exactly will be, so it's entirely fair to assume this will cause problems to the same degree as to say that we do not.
Because quite frankly we have an idea of how the game will be, but we do not know
I still firmly believe this could cause major issues, I see too many opportunities of this being abusable, and we know how creative people are about abusing things
barren zephyr
tunnel vision
blazing charm
And instead you'd rather just sit and be contempt with the game as it currently is.
barren zephyr
of course it takes away death being the penalty because you are putting time and resources into developing these ai and this is your reward for expending those resources
next nexus
in the video you admit that this system could be used to farm food for buddies on carnivore species and instead give incentive to keep them alive for the benefit of the maia player, but surely someone who is abusing this AI farm for their buddies well being is not super concerned with the well being of themselves or their offspring. It just seems like the incentive to keep the maias alive is not a useful counter measure for someone abusing the system but is instead better incentive for people already using the maia/system as intended?
compact coyote
this save life for it to work you need both a male and female, enough food for the ammount of hatchling ai's needs and a water source, if you remember region 2 nesting where food was mainly near water; it was engaging to nest and a real challenge due to carnivores who are smart regularly checking these spots for nesting herbis, this isnt a "save life"
mellow fox
Can we not resort to ad hominems and personal jabs like "tunnel vision" in a supposed to be factual civil debate?
That would be great
barren zephyr
not an ad hominem lol, an observation of behavior
pseudo falcon
@next nexus it wouldn't be an efficient farm anyways. Also you're under the assumption that they won't fix the mix packing problem to some extent.
How is it abusable in a way that hinders the game as a whole if someone chooses to play Maia?
mellow fox
It's still aimed at another person and it isn't nice, as well as personal opinion isn't an "observation", which would need to be neutral and recorded by an uninvolved party.
next nexus
if the game gets harder across the board, abusing this system for the carnivore players benefit will become more appealing. And there is no way they'll fix this as its not a direct "lets sit and mix pack together" problem instead of a "hey meet me and my AI at x location and get fed there" which they will never get a fix to
pseudo falcon
that's like the Ptera scouting issue, it's annoying, but not unavoidable
barren zephyr
^
pseudo falcon
there are solutions
affinity was a great one
or a limited amount of hatchlings you can have per a couple hours
next nexus
in a weird way if the maias grew to a certain point and then became part of the "cloud" of animals you could spawn back as, it would be less easily abused as you'd have to spawn back in and manually run to your buddies, which gives more chance of getting ganked by someone not involved or abusing the system
blazing charm
Lemur actually brings up a good point. I suppose you could have it so that the AI offspring don't offer much food, other alternative would be the obvious negative affinity effects on the parent Maia, but I feel that would leak more towards actual predation.
Mind you, not the best solution, just brainstorming atm.
Might need to make a second version of this.
pseudo falcon
Or perhaps you could lose your ability to breed if you lose too many offspring
mellow fox
Another very apparent problem I see with this is nest sniping
pseudo falcon
especially if you lose too many within a short period of time
mellow fox
Be a Maia
Have friends
leave your ai save file behind with your friend
rush into a carnivore nesting site, punt as many babies and juveniles as possible
die after the Carnage
Congratulations, you got returned into your save file guarded by your friend and now you can both flee
compact coyote
great, now you have the adults after you, your friend and your ai save lifes
unborn quail
Nest sniping isn't something unique to maia, it's an underlying issue everything can do, no matter what you are
mellow fox
It just gives Maia the best tools for it
unborn quail
And guess what? You die? You're back to being a defenseless juvenile that is basically a free snack to anything
Yeah sure you're getting another chance
mellow fox
If this gets implemented
mellow fox
And people can hide away the AI
wintry cipher
Might be something that winds up devaluing the life of your dino. The chance of your AI escaping if you die to something is slim to none as well. They're meat bags ultimately if used that way.
mellow fox
Levitating the problem
barren zephyr
the solution i see to the " bringing the AI to a carnivore player" issue is actually already in the suggetsion, if the AI groups are very difficult to maintain, it would get to a point where hunting as a carnivore is easier than having your mixpacking friend truck all the way over to you while having to expend an insane amount of resources to do so
so basically, if its balanced, that wont be an issue
next nexus
but thats sort of the thing, the person in charge isn't going to be concerned with maintaining lots of AI once they reach their buddies anyway. And if they are a real pain the arse to treck across the map then the carnivore boyos can shadow the herd instead as he packs up, plops down a nest and starts nesting, once the food is cleared then they can pack up and repeat
blazing charm
Wait a minute, I just realised.
If the offspring would be AI, couldn't they be made to just...flee from any predators?
barren zephyr
well if they arent concerned with maintaining them, then they will die and the carnis will have no food
pseudo falcon
Who the fuck would waste that much time
tepid dune
that maia suggestion is amazing
pseudo falcon
exactly, they should flee and have to be reinvited to your group
by 2 calling them or something when they can see you
next nexus
you're asking who would waste that much time in a game where it takes 7 hours to grow a rex and people do that on the daily
tepid dune
imagine playing the game and having a mechanic that rewards you for being a living part of the ecosystem 
blazing charm
Honestly, that could be a thing where if they're around predators too often, they will just abandon you. So it also discourages Maia's from being super aggressive.
barren zephyr
could also work
blazing charm
Hrm, I think i'll add that to the text post, can't be bothered to edit the video again.
Unless, there are any objections?
tepid dune
i wonder of how complex it would be programming wise to get us something like that
pseudo falcon
they would abandon you, you could lose your fertility after losing too many offspring, juvenile maias don't even offer enough food to be worthwhile, and a fully grown AI is fresh adult, which wouldn't be a very filling meal
barren zephyr
yeah that idea works jaffad
but i assumed that was a given with the suggestion tbh
because it wouldnt just be helpless ai
that wouldnt work
blazing charm
Also, in regards to the concern of offspring not being able to outrun predators, juveniles could provide less food, so if you are trying to offer a sub-adult Maia, you'd have a much harder time catching it.
Edit: Was just informed how this solution is flawed, currently brainstorming a better fix.
pseudo falcon
And they would probably only wait for you until they got hungry and start looking for food as soon as they got past a certain point. They wouldn't just stay somewhere safe forever
Juveniles are likely becoming harder to hunt and give you less rewards with the rework anyways.
next nexus
also needs to consider with this system: the maia player and their buddies can farm the adult maia body instead of the juvis so that their buddy goes back and takes control of the AI, allowing them to grow and fatten that one up for the next slaughtering
pseudo falcon
This farming food problem seems to minor idk why it should be anywhere near enough of a problem to dub the idea abusable
people could do that regardless of this mechanic
it's only slightly more affective as maia
barren zephyr
like the whole issue i have with the mixpacking concern, is that you would have to put in resources as the maia to get the AI to a point where it would provide enough food to be worth the trouble, so at that point its like, easier for the carnivore to just hunt
blazing charm
Gonna be honest, starting to feel like I can't really go much further with anti-farming until we know more about what Affinity is/was going to do.
mellow fox
Still not a fan of the save file thing and sorry, don't see it as a good mechanic, but giving measures to cut off players trying to weaponize Maia with a save file to levitate people using their adult as cannon fodder, I suppose it can be abuses slightly less.
Other thing is that the AI should be bounded to you, bonding to the mother animal, so people can't just "order" the offspring to sit in cover being protected by a friend or just being hid away, so they can nest snipe.
But it would kinda make it close to no use as well, because then in an event of attack the AI would be leashed to you in a way that, makes it less likely to be able to utilize them.
But imo it is absolutely mandatory the AI would need to be in a close proximity to you to control (let's say 30 meters) to avoid it being used as a save file for kamikaze adults
blazing charm
Hrm, so. If the vocal commands were removed, or at the very least reduced in terms of range. (So for example if you go X meters from the offspring they'll start to follow you again)
Would that help-
Oh wait, you already said that, misread.
last heath
well, considering if maia was castrated combat wise, it wouldnt be a kamikaze attack as much as just suicide
barren zephyr
honestly jaffad, the idea is solid, but i think it would be better paired with a maia rebalance doc, too many people will assume you want this with current maia, as they are doing right now
blazing charm
How's this?
Less of a "order" and moreso a way to find your lost babies after escaping danger?
mellow fox
I think the best idea would be, it needs to be like a "pet" AI from MMO-s you need to take care of that follows you. You could add a second Hud for the offspring(s) that tell you their status(es) like hunger, thirst, and importantly, their range from you
The range indicator would rapidly flash red or something like that if the AI is nearing critical distance.
If you no longer want that particular ai or accidentally left it, it will "unbond" from you and become a regular ai that you have no control over anymore
Would incentivize actually taking care of them and herding them as well
blazing charm
Hrm, not a bad idea.
mellow fox
Yeah I read that, but it wasn't straight forward how complex these ai are / would / will be
Zub, I get that, but an adult Maia would still punt juveniles in a nesting site
And we know how petty people are
barren zephyr
See King that's the issue with mechanics like that, people will abuse it in so many way you can't make it perfect
buuuuut
there's good ideas in it
mellow fox
Someone absolutely would try to hide the save file ai and just go in a bloodshed in a mass dilo nest and punt every juvenile and hatchling they see
barren zephyr
the ais should try to flee as soon as a predator is too close imo
barren zephyr
yes i did see it a bit late
blazing charm
Hrm, wondering if I should keep the safe-log thing.
barren zephyr
the problem I see but wouldn't be directly because of the maia himself would be that a bunch of people will target the Ais first to be sure that the maia won't be able to have a quicker regrowth, you know the type.
sooo maybe an order to hide the AIs? but if it lasts too long the juvies jsut don't follow you anymore and despawn/become roaming Ais until they die?
mellow fox
So that's why I think it can maybe work (big IF) if the AI is bounded to you and you actually have to keep an eye on it and protect them
On top of them fleeing from a predator
Looping it back to nest sniping idea, it would make a conflict between the save file ai and the kamikaze player, if it becomes unbounded from you, then it will be lost, if you don't try to make it sit or stay in cover, then it will be slaughtered by the parents because it follows you around.
Yeah exactly my idea Sloup
barren zephyr
so yeah either you take care of them as they are quite valuable to you or you won't benefit from them because you don't commit to them...
mellow fox
Make it like a pet ai from MMO-s you can assign basic command to but you also have to be in x proximity of the "pet" otherwise it abandons you
blazing charm
Okay, in regards to the fleeing from predator thing. I feel it should be worth adding an "attract" call for the AI to stop them running off into another predator, or off a cliff. So you can't exactly micromanage them persay, but you can prevent all your hardwork from being dicked over by bad-luck and AI.
mellow fox
Also they would get upset and leave you if they start to starve or other affinity problems
barren zephyr
forcing your Ais to hide would have a timer and would make so you can get away from them for a while and if the time expires, no matter if you're too far or close, if you don't come back to find them back, they'll leave your control
but that's my idea because Juvie Maias shouldn't run away but try to hide, they aren't adults.
mellow fox
I think this system needs to be either committed to and you actually having to manage the save file ai offsprings as pets in a way, so you really do need effort to reap the benefits, or not being a suggestion.
For something so big as an almost reset button, it needs to be somewhat challenging to keep up.
I will try to find an appropriate representation of a pet ai to give you a base idea @blazing charm and if I do, put it here
blazing charm
I'm already working on something, let me finish first.
Or post whatever you want, up to you.
slow stream
you got a good idea king-
I'm not trying to flush you out-
feral wedge
Just gonna
blazing charm
Oh no it's fine, Suggestion channel is fair game.
feral wedge
blazing charm
Gonna be honest, much as I love Proto, I really don't see it doing that well, I'd love to see it as AI but i feel it's going to struggle alot as a playable.
Also I am sorry for what I am about to do.
blazing charm
Protoceratops is a certainly interesting idea, problem is how scrawny it is, so anything larger than a Velo will have literally no trouble killing it. Even with the quills, beak and ramming.
One can only sit in a burrow for so long, and I doubt Proto would be much faster than a Dryo. I'm not saying Proto is impossible to make playable, but I am saying those factors need to be considered.
civic bloom
proto is pretty much just ava tbh
blazing charm
Actually, much smaller.
slow stream
and no horns
barren zephyr
It can bite
Like a snapping turtle
Tbh i wouldn't be suprised of Protoceratops was one of the upcoming 14 new creatures considering that they're mostly small boys and omnivores+ herbivores
slow stream
mmyeh
pulsar orchid
@blazing charm I love your idea for the maia, and I have a question!
Would it be possible to add a way to dismiss them? Such as, if you don't want them to hang around anymore, or want them to go be independent AI
I mean sure, you could let them starve until they leave, but just wanted to know C:
tag me if you answer, please! I'm multitasking and a bit dumb
last heath
BEGONE CHILD
blazing charm
@pulsar orchid Honestly, never really thought about it, I suppose there wouldn't be too much harm in letting them roam free.
slender spindle
protoceratops???
violet magnet
that one AI child that is the troublemaker
Press E to dismiss
pulsar orchid
It'd actually be cool if they had preset personalities
just generic stuff
one is so dumb he walks straight into the open while you frantically call him back
one doesn't leave your side and essentially is an overfed buttwarmer
one chases butterflies and then leaves you because he's the one who can't pay attention
ah, the wonders of life
wise warren
That is what the gestating and incubating time are fennec
hybrid otter
Yes i know its to make the process longer but i feel as if people just sit around to much. People may enjoy nesting and im not saying anything about that but once you've nested in 4 people you should have to wait a few hours to nest 4 more. It more believable too since animals don't just sit and lay egg after egg.
It would add a little thinking too like, do i really want this person in my clutch? Gives a big incentive to protect your young and make sure they survive cause you wont be able to have more for a while.
wise warren
That would be a better suggestion to put, it explains what you actually wanted to say
I can agree with that a bit, though I think taking care of kids will be an affinity thing and nest sizes will be different for each Dino in the future
woeful pasture
An option to kill yourself?????? Whhhhhaaat?
barren zephyr
I mean, rn everyone is either 1 call spamming, begging for slay or jumping of a cliff/running into lake
option to self-slay could make it a lot easier ngl
slender spindle
killing yourself? or just respawn? i think both are bad as rn it encourages you to try to survive where you spawned
barren zephyr
Again, people will just suicide by water
woeful pasture
Ppl will probably just do it during fights
barren zephyr
well if they do it during fights doesn't that mean you win??? what's the problem
please do tell me one thing wrong with a self slay
people spawn in on accident all the time, they'll still kill themselves eventually, how is the fact they could make it less tedious a bad thing?
austere spruce
the reason it's difficult is because they dont want you to spawn all together
they want to make it difficult so you have to travel to reach your friends
barren zephyr
so they want to make you suffer for no reason
austere spruce
the more you travel, the more chance you'll interact with others, the more risk/thrill/death
barren zephyr
is that all
austere spruce
that would be the isle i guess
barren zephyr
it's just boring
not much value to get out of being forced to spawn far away other than tedium
austere spruce
it's supposed to make you value your life more
slender spindle
if the game bores you then ..... play another game
barren zephyr
well it doesn't
austere spruce
i think the aim is to keep everyone from bunching up in one spot and sticking there
barren zephyr
ok well there's no point because you're gonna meet them anyway
austere spruce
im not like... defending it. im just (trying to) explain it
slender spindle
self-slay just means you can build up your pack without any risk
barren zephyr
yeah i know
im just trynna say why that argument is weak for the people defending it
also what
dude, no matter what you do there'll always be risk
it's the isle
there's always a bigger fish in the sea
self slay just makes it easier when you want to die
people will still kill themselves without a button to do it for them
barren zephyr
because it makes it less tedious?
To find something to kys with?
when you could just press a button?
slender spindle
i'm still for surviving in the area you are given unlike the area you want
barren zephyr
well it makes very little difference but ok
the only real issue i see is people using it to feed their friends but there could be ways around that
like a cooldown or something
violet magnet
self-slay will result in people slaying themselves to feed their friends
barren zephyr
i literally just said that
people could log to avoid the timer though unless there was some ungodly way for the game to remember it
so idk
slender spindle
i think you should have to survive in the area you are given, if a self slay is introduced then you can spawn in a place that is easier
and a cooldown on respawning or the slay? bc ether won't help
violet magnet
spawning in a new area forces you to learn your way around the map, for one
slender spindle
yeah
violet magnet
instead of slaying yourself and leaving a body in every unfamiliar area (which would just make things easier for scavengers as well)
austere spruce
people will still try to kill themselves, it's true. it happens. but the little bit of discouragement exists to dissuade the majority
slender spindle
that and BoB has it and look at how that turned out ...... shit XD
barren zephyr
I've never heard of anyone drowning themselves for getting an unfamiliar.area but ok then
lilac swallow
The fact that people will kill themselves anyway doesnt mean we should help them
violet magnet
"Damn! This is an area other than where I wanted to spawn and which I may or may not know very well! Time to kill myself and spawn again!"
happens a lot actually
barren zephyr
well if you had a cooldown that couldn't happen
austere spruce
there was a major issue with killing/respawning in early versions of v3, where a bad spawn meant absolute death. now, most spawns you can survive
slender spindle
no it will it will help nothing they would just kill themselves another way or wait for the cooldown
barren zephyr
then it just becomes tedious for them and dissuades them to do it anyway as it'd take just as much time as it would drowning themselves if not more
what's the issue then
austere spruce
technically, there's already a way to group up with your friends. nesting
slender spindle
if that happens then 0 progress has been made with this argument
austere spruce
ikranay, does the lack of self slay prevent you from playing the game?
slender spindle
i mean for what ikranny said
austere spruce
does it drain your desire to play?
barren zephyr
what an american response
no, of course not, but continue trying to make this seem insignificant and continue trying to derail the conversation when you have no more points to make against introducing self slay, a small thing that'd make life easier
slender spindle
if you can respawn once then just kill yourself the remainder untill the cooldown is over
austere spruce
im confused. im just trying to have a conversation and understand what works and what doesnt. but ok, insult me ☮️
barren zephyr
"ok so you think this would be a good idea. DOES NOT HAVING IT MAKE YOU NOT WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME???"
austere spruce
dips outtie
slender spindle
you offer nothing ether just point reasons
barren zephyr
completely fucking unrelated, goodbye pepega
violet magnet
the point of the game is to survive in a hostile environment, a self-slay button kinda defeats that purpose, don'cha think?
barren zephyr
omgggg i literally JUST went over what could prevent spawn hopping
barren zephyr
why not
slender spindle
you dipshit
barren zephyr
lmao
lilac swallow
I managed to survive just fine in one of the infamous gulf spawns as a juv trike, i think is not that hard
slender spindle
making the timer longer then drowning won't help, bc then they will just drown
barren zephyr
when dino kids are erratic and aggressive and can't talk like normal adults
ok well you wanna remove drowning then Rodger??
Lmfaooooo
slender spindle
no
barren zephyr
then why complain
violet magnet
when dino kids can't carry on a discussion without resorting to "ok pepega"
proud crystal
why not just make selectable areas in the new map. boom. issue solved
your friends can waddle their ass to the spawn spot you've picked
slender spindle
you have made no point to support you side of the discussion besides instead of killing yourself just have a button do it for you
barren zephyr
when i at least make actual arguments with that instead of just going "dipshit" as if it helps mmy point any mkre
violet magnet
we are making arguments...?
slender spindle
so why bother if people are going to do it regardless
barren zephyr
oh my God, it's like talking to a brick wall with brain damage
slender spindle
your point just comes full circle
barren zephyr
it's so that you can do it in an instant if needed. That's. All.
violet magnet
self-slay will
- make it easier to feed your friends, so they'll have an easy way to get to adult
- pointless because you can already kill yourself if you want to, sometimes it just takes a while
that first point is a problem
barren zephyr
I've gone over what could fix those issues several times
barren zephyr
but you just don't like listening to the opposition
slender spindle
and the second point makes your argument completely obsolete
barren zephyr
it's almost as if progression means taking in what other people have to say instead of ignoring it and spewing your verbal vomit repeatedly to no end without furthering the conversation past a menial staple
violet magnet
self-awareness where is it
barren zephyr
but it's 2019 and people are incapable of doing that these days
slender spindle
you are the only person spewing shit over and over again lol
barren zephyr
do tell me how I'm repeating myself when you've derailed the conversation this far all because you won't listen
lilac swallow
As i said, just because they will kill themselves anyway doesnt mean devs should make a easy way to suicide
barren zephyr
whatever I say is a response
violet magnet
wasn't the original reason the self-slay button was taken out was BECAUSE people were feeding their friends with it?
pulsar orchid
👀 💦
proud crystal
@barren zephyr bro. that's called arguing. you shouldn't expect everyone to just agree with you
violet magnet
in the early EARLY builds of the game i've seen on youtube there was a slay button but IDK the exact reasoning for why it was taken out
proud crystal
you're implying it 🤷
barren zephyr
no im not
slender spindle
i know this is a troll and its funny as hell
barren zephyr
we should endnit here before we all get striked lmao
barren zephyr
understand the opposition, think about what they say, take it into context and then present your relevant argument
"WTF SO YOU WANT ME TO AGREE WITH YOU ALWAYS"
you have just been repeating your points to no end, ignoring progression of the conversation with the points I bring up. since this is like talking to a brick wall, I'll back off
violet magnet
brb trying to google which logical fallacy this is
slender spindle
you don't understand anything we say tho your point is is the same thing over and over and we are trying to tell you that your point won't help
you got this all backwards
barren zephyr
a pot calling the kettle black
so your only argument is that it won't help because people will drown themselves with a timer anyway, yeah?
slender spindle
you repeatedly said just add a cooldown longer then drowning yourself, then why wait when you can drown
barren zephyr
what
slender spindle
all you said is add the cooldown
slender spindle
yes
lilac swallow
@barren zephyr should i repeat myself for the third time?, Yeah they will kill themselves anyway, doesnt mean there should be a easy suicide buton
barren zephyr
ah yes I love it when people admit they're repeating themselves
lilac swallow
If you dont listen i need to repeat
proud crystal
if you think "people will drown themselves anyway" is the only problem you've clearly ignored this too
violet magnet
so how would this work with the cooldown?
i don't like my spawn so i kill myself to get a better one, i don't like this one either, but i cannot kill myself again because i have to wait 5 minutes to use the slay button...?
barren zephyr
the timer. the timer. the literal key point of this conversation. you keep bringing up old shit I've already addressed, Jesus Christ no wonder your main developer is depressed after reading this brain dump
every fucking day
violet magnet
it'd help if you explained how the cooldown would work in-game
lilac swallow
I dont want to be that guy but, just git gud and play whenever you spawned honestly It isnt that hard
barren zephyr
Ohhhhh my god you people and your spoon-feeding mentality where you cannot think for yourselves if your life depended on it
let me lay it out in bright colors for you so your tiny brain can understand even an inkling of what I'm trying to talk about
- you would be presented with an option to slay yourself at any given moment.
- it would possibly work like this, where after usage of the slay button you would be presented with a timer where you could no longer use it until the timer ends. this is to prevent spawn-hopping and overfeeding your packmates
- the timer would presumably be long, if not longer than any other method would take as you're expected to only have to use it once (e.g for accidents, sometimes people have week old dinos they're bored of and just want to be rid of)
- the ideal way to do this is to have it carry on after you log so that people cannot abuse it, but if that couldn't be achieved then there would be no use adding it as it would be too abusable
proud crystal
you do realize insulting people is getting you nowhere right
austere spruce
<@&401466542140817419> insulting, oddly angry over simple discussion, combative, nonconstructive
lilac swallow
Guy, calm down, no need to insult everyone everytine you talk
violet magnet
if the slay button cooldown was something like 30 minutes to an hour then it'd be pretty non-abusable...but that's assuming people don't go and kill themselves again within that time frame for a better spawn
i do like the idea of the cooldown transferring over play sessions tho
barren zephyr
we've all been degenerates here, yam, don't act like I'm the lone black sheep
and people killing themselves outside of the timer isn't avoidable, it's something that'll always happen, but the tedium discourages people from doing it, so that's good enough for me to see it as no reason not to add a small option like that to make life easier
hallow vigil
Insulting others/being condescending isn't okay
barren zephyr
ah, they deleted their comments where they insulted me. how epic.
ill stop it here though
hallow vigil
if you have screenshots or anything you can DM me
lilac swallow
When did they insult you? honestly
valid zephyr
Not sure why their should be a nesting cooldown. It's already a long time period between each egg.
And currently nesting is all you can really do apart from endlessly KoS every dino you see.
sage helm
Mesting doesmt provide mich benefit either so why woukd it need that nerf
Give it a cooldown and all they will do is sit there not pooping out babies
mellow fox
@blazing charm like the tweaked version 👍
Still would like to see it more in detail with the specific way the AI is handled, but it is a good start for now
ashen elm
On the Maia idea, I like it and understand why people might think that Maia players would feel more reckless with their lives if they knew they had a free AI replacement; however...
I think one solution to that issue may be giving dinosaurs that reach adult growth to still have goals and objectives that help make each life distinctive and giving adult dinosaur something to do once they reach adult. As it is right now, you do not lose anything beyond raw stats as there are no rewards to staying alive beyond adult stage. You don't lose anything beyond your time. I think that should change so you as a player does NOT want to die even if they know it'd be 'slightly' faster due to AI back-up save file.
Whether those rewards and objectives are something like unlocking specific dinosaur skins, markings (scars, customization options), titles/status (elder, leader), etc... is debatable and up to the Isle devs.
blazing charm
@mellow fox I can't really predict the quality of AI, that's up to the devs. So for now this is as far as it goes.
valid zephyr
Ninja Scout i'd love that to happen!
Would really mix things up for a while and draw people back into the game as well to try it out.
blazing charm
@night mountain Yeah, let's give Triceratops a reason to be offensive and actively seek out combat.
How about no.
agile kiln
That seems kinda iffy yeah
slow stream
edit: allow trikes to stab horns into the disgusting gore and carry it around, the stink will make others barf in disgust xd
agile kiln
So? Anyone have thoughts on my suggestion?
slow stream
that's a good idea levi
let's have anky and stegos have harder time hitting shits in forest so they stay out in the plain
and get easily killed by others when in forest
waitactuallythatmadeitsoundbetter
agile kiln
What?
The idea is to make getting hit feel like you’re getting hit
Like, if you get smacked by a stegosaur’s tail as an allo you’re gonna go reeling
night mountain
Idk it’d be fun there’s no current use for rotten gore anyway
Let small dinosaurs killed by trike gets stuck on its horns
agile kiln
Ouch
blazing charm
@night mountain Rotten gore isn't supposed to have a use for everything, it is spoiled meat. Only real exception would be for an animal that specializes in scavenging.
So for example, Cerato which could be given some kind of septic bite.
night mountain
Septic bite and septic horns 
agile kiln
I mean. Something which reinforces going after other players as a herbivore just sounds bad imo
blazing charm
No, septic horns are an awful idea.
Triceratops is already something that is capable of killing a Trex, it doesn't need septic damage.
slow stream
What if cerato gets it's entire face bloodied from the carcass, giving not just it's teeth, but the "horns" on it's head sceptic damage
agile kiln
I mean, if you want to break those horns go ahead and use them for combat
Otherwise it wouldn’t really be useful
blazing charm
Imagine prefering to use horns/crest instead of a mouth full of sharp teeth.
agile kiln
I mean Cerato’s teeth are ridiculously long
valid zephyr
tacos should get stuck on trikes horns like kebabs.
night mountain
I just want to infuriate a Rex pair as a trike by harassing them with like 3 of their hatchlings stuck to my face
Even if it doesn’t do anything mechanically it’d be fun
blazing charm
That's, such an awful mindset.
Like, you're basically admitting it's to grief people.
night mountain
I mean that’s like the most fun thing to do in game currently and it’s not against any rules. Animals do that irl too like buffalos kos lion cubs
mental sleet
Yikes.
slow stream
He's uhh not wrong there-
night mountain
Killing your main predators babies is a survival move don’t want more around
blazing charm
Why do you people only think about how the game is CURRENTLY. Why not try to propose ways to actually make the game fun in ways that isn't based around pissing people off.
mental sleet
That's what people do atm jaffad.
blazing charm
I know, I get that.
But it's stupid, I will never understand how you people are contempt with just tunnel-visioning on the game in its current, shitty state.
night mountain
It’s a game where it’s focused around killing other players and deleting hours and hours of their work. Aside from chill servers people are going to get pissed no matter what
blazing charm
It's mind boggling
mental sleet
Maybe right now it is, tentacle, but god it's not what it should be.
mental sleet
And if you keep thinking it is, it will remain that way.
agile kiln
They’re right
viral creek
Tbh I would rather have herbivores not try to hunt carnivores, but absolutely shitfuck carnivores if they aren't careful and get too close.
At least of their size range
agile kiln
@blazing charm would it be ok if I reworded my suggestion?
agile kiln
I thought you were the guy who answered the suggestions, oof
blazing charm
Oh, hold on.
Let me read it then.
I just do this voluntarily, but gimme a minute.
You don't have to seek my approval or whatever.
agile kiln
Ah fair enough
blazing charm
@agile kiln Not bad, it certainly makes sense. My only concern is it creating certain situations where because a creature is running, you're dead on the spot where normally you'd be on an equal fighting ground with whatever you're fighting.
night mountain
Momentum should be a thing in some level tbh like a hugeass theri running max speed into a dryo shouldn’t just do nothing.
blazing charm
@agile kiln Plus you have to considering things like locational damage, collision and potentially trample damage.
blazing charm
Oooh god no.
agile kiln
A stegosaurus is gonna knock an allosaurus a few paces aside
blazing charm
No, no non ono- This is starting to sound like Weight 2.0
agile kiln
A sauropod is gonna send a raptor flying
Ok maybe not the latter
But more something to take into consideration when hunting, kinda like a flinch mechanic
night mountain
Oh god flinch mechanics are hell on earth
agile kiln
If you get hit by something of enough mass whilst running it could send you stumbling
night mountain
We do not need jirachi trikes or something
blazing charm
Yeah no, screw that. Last thing I want is getting gangbanged by a group and not being able to do anything because i'm "flinching"
agile kiln
I guess
night mountain
People would make strategies based off it I guarantee you
Like some horrible herd running around that all run into people at once and just flinch and trample then to death
agile kiln
It was mainly to make getting hit feel like getting hit tbh
I’m probably wording it poorly
But I’m talking if you get hit in your left flank, you’ll get knocked aside to the right
night mountain
Ye I could see it as part of the combat system or how collision will work
They’d have to have something like that so you don’t have like dryos stopping brachis dead in their tracks
agile kiln
That’s why I mentioned based on size
Like, a utah would get knocked away farther than an allo
viral creek
Flinching could be used for like some special attacks, but i don't think it should be a thing for all species
Like the whole side check Idea I had for fleeing herbivores. A utah can try to bite your flanks, and you can ram them with your side They'll get knocked over and have to spend time getting up, which gives the herbivore more time to run away
agile kiln
That would be cool
night mountain
I wouldn’t mind damage if you crushed people against trees
agile kiln
If there’s any animal I would make it standard for on all attacks it would be sauropods, because getting hit by one of those would be like getting hit by a battering ram
night mountain
Like a Utah getting caught between a shants ass and a tree should get obliterated
slow stream
Imagine the neat horn-locking battles between ceratopsians
agile kiln
Ok that I would love
slow stream
Maybe even some brachi vs brachi push battles
agile kiln
Inb4 brontosmash
slow stream
Oh of course pachi head ramming battles
agile kiln
Would be amazing
Just an ava shrieking bloody murder with 5 velos on its back comes running out of the bushes as you’re sitting down
slow stream
HAHAHA YES
And there's that unfortunate velo in front of it suddenly gets knocked over and trampled on
mental sleet
Guy with infinite hashtags, I don't agree with everything, but the idea is solid.
blazing charm
Fair warning, gonna be throwing up a third version of the Maia video, had some more ideas that I felt would add to it, plus some alternative ideas that act as their own little segments.
woeful pasture
Honestly burying bodies is entirely realistic. Many predators bury their kills. Im just not sure how that would work out in the isle
wintry cipher
They don't want hoarding to become a problem.
woeful pasture
Yeah that's what I was thinking about
The only way I would see that happening is if you could only bury 1 corpse at a time. Like you couldnt bury the next one until the last one is finished. Cause in real life predators hide their corpse and they dont go out to hunt something else until they've finished it. Idk how I feel about that tbh
wintry cipher
Eh. I don't think it's needed. It allows for Dino's to get niches such as long hunger duration when they shouldn't through a loophole. They will be able to grab and steal bits of food so even if they get chased off a corpse they're fine
slow stream
that's an interesting idea @little tendon, if I'm gonna be honest
slow stream
broken arm would disable females to make nest perhaps?
perhaps broken horns on ceratopsians would disable the attack until the horn grows back?
slow stream
yeh
little tendon
broken tails can make you not steer as good
slow stream
yeh cus tails are usually the main steering for animals
little tendon
so imagine the carnos steering but 10X worse
little tendon
and depending on each limb that is broken, your smell is either stronger or weaker
barren zephyr
Graphic bone break, I see much cringing and vomiting in the future
little tendon
so like if a leg breaks (depending on how bad it is) a bone would stick out?
agile kiln
yikes, that would be nasty
little tendon
imagine how badass it would be to see a rex with those kinds of wounds
agile kiln
quite
barren zephyr
Hmmm using arms instead of mouth, I like
little tendon
daaaaaaamn
agile kiln
imagine it grappling onto and bringing down a Maiasaura
little tendon
that would be awsome
agile kiln
for scale
agile kiln
how do you mean?
it could still bite, but if it wanted to drag off a baby trike or latch onto a maiasaura's flank that's where the claws would be most effective
little tendon
oh yea i forgot
agile kiln
something like this, but with the prey being smaller imagine its feet planted on the ground
little tendon
I can picture the australovenator dragging a baby rex into the bushes horror movie style
little tendon
imagine seeing that in 3rd person as another dinosaur
agile kiln
yoink
little tendon
your just a mama rex and ALL OF A SUDDEN your baby rex just vanishes in the shadows by long ass claws
agile kiln
and you just hear screams in the distance suddenly cutting out
little tendon
dandi take some notes XD
also the pictured nade me me also think of something
what if you can pick up smaller dinosaurs while their alive
agile kiln
I suggested that
little tendon
sorry. my head glitched out and forgot
little tendon
I'm thinking of other ideas that could be used for grabbing and lifting
paper oriole
theri is the slasher, austra would be the hugger lol
the slap chop turkey and the danger hug chicken
blazing charm
As much as I love Austral, I honestly feel like you've just described a smaller Allo with how it could grapple onto prey and tear at them.
Oh and uh, Bary.
agile kiln
I mean, bary is gonna be a fisher
not really something you'd want to promote a terrestrial carnivore lifestyle with
and the thing with megaraptorans is that their claws are the main weapons
where allosaurus would probably still have used its jaws mainly
blazing charm
Just because something fishes, doesn't mean it can't hunt for terrestial prey, plus Bary would probably be the most terrestial lenient of the fishers, or at the very least the fastest on land.
agile kiln
I can see that, but still its intended niche is fishing, it could probably go after small ornithopods like dryo
agile kiln
I guess
but the thing is
Australovenator is built much more to tackle prey its size than baryonyx is
blazing charm
So, it's smaller Allo then?
agile kiln
I guess something between an allo and a utah
blazing charm
Yeah, that's not really uh. That unique imo. If this were still the age of Progression totally.
agile kiln
I guess, but my thought process was to introduce a theropod which would mainly use its claws
if I'd used something like Aerosteon you'd basically have an Acro that uses its claws
Australovenator fits in the small/middle sized theropod niche in a role that's currently not used
dilo is the nighttime bleeder, cerato is gonna be a scavenger, carnotaurus is gonna be a long distance runner, and Australovenator would be the "bruiser" of the group, able to tackle bigger prey but slower
blazing charm
Cerato could still fill the role of being the "bruiser" while still maintaining the scavenging niche.
agile kiln
I guess
but the main goal I had was to add a more unique theropod playstyle, something which can steal smaller dinosaurs away from their parents and wrestle pachys and maias to the ground
blazing charm
See, the idea of stealing a baby dinosaur away is funny, until it happens to you.
Imagine being plucked, and not being able to actually do anything about it?
Also again, Allo could wrestle Maiasaura to the ground.
agile kiln
I mean, you could make it cost extra stamina
since you're essentially carrying 200 pounds of struggling dinosaur
slow stream
It actually takes some skills to be able to go in, get a baby, and get out with claws full and alive
blazing charm
@agile kiln Then you run the issue of it being useless, since you want to CONSERVE your stamina.
agile kiln
I mean, there's something called time and place too, running into the middle of a herd and expecting to run out with a baby is dumb
slow stream
How about no stam loss but running become somewhat slower
agile kiln
but carrying off a young animal that strays just a little bit too far, that's something you can do, and yeah slower instead of more stamina could work too
slow stream
Yeh cus it's kinda stupid having stamina being used for three things
Running
Swimming
And holding
agile kiln
I guess
blazing charm
This is just starting to sound like Raptor Pounce or Allosaurus Grapple with extra steps.
agile kiln
not something I'd do
I'd push it into the bruiser role before making it a baby snatcher
blazing charm
Already went over this, snatching still alive babies is incredibly griefable.
slow stream
Filling the niche of baby snatcher where no other carnis can really do.. that well
It'll also have parents be more cautious about where their child(ren) are
still temple
“Australovenator = small Allo”
Diablo trike
Maia Para New hadrosaur(?)
Dryo hypsil galli(?)
Probs quite a few of the 14 unannounced
agile kiln
he makes a point
slow stream
If the "apex" are gonna habe a smaller version, fuck it let allo have one
Sure it can be griefable but.. it'll give a sense of insecurities and an increased chances of actually protective parents
blazing charm
Sure it can be griedable but
See, that's a problem right there. If a mechanic is okay by someone's standards, even if they achknowledge that it is griefable, then it isn't really okay, or atleast can be improved.
agile kiln
I mean, it just means that you need to take extra care in how to balance it
slow stream
New dinosaur with baby snatcher niece gets added to game, makes more players be more watchful of their children and herd/pack
I mean
We gotta worry about the utah
Aswell-
blazing charm
Literally any dinosaur is capable of catching and killing a young dinosaur, seems kinda pointless to dedicate an entire creature to that function.
agile kiln
once again, the thought of slower run speed has been suggested so you'd have to pick your target, an animal would no doubt be strubbling if caught in those arms so you could have it wiggle like in dead by daylight, the bigger the creature you're carrying the faster it'll break free, and I imagine it would have a cooldown
slow stream
Yeh
blazing charm
Whereas something like Allosaurus could just pin it down easier and rip out said creature's throat.
grave karma
@blazing charm what would you think about an affinity bonus for maias nesting near each other?
slow stream
honestly
australovenator
could be like a baby snatcher, yes I said this once, I'll keep syaing it again
blazing charm
I mean, that could be something. I just felt like proposing my own mechanic suggestion, since the obvious "Bonus goodboy points for doing X" seemed too easy.
But then again, sometimes the best things are the simplest ones.
Baby 👏 snatching 👏 wouldn't 👏 work
grave karma
seems really specialized
little tendon
it depends on how their gonna go for it
grave karma
you base a playstyle on stealing babies
little tendon
if the baby is limp then it could work when you pick it up
agile kiln
I mean, once more, my main Idea for it would be to have it be specialized in wrestling down small/medium sized herbivores like pachycephalosaurus and maiasaura
slow stream
baby snatching works in some degrees
slow stream
oh ffs.. what the fuck do you think we're trying to fix with when talking about baby snatching HMMM???
agile kiln
carrying them off but not killing them is the only way I can see it being griefable
grave karma
i gotta say this, i think it would be unviable to make a baby snatching-based playstyle
blazing charm
"Well, i've been grabbed. Since I am tiny juvenile or hatchiling dinosaur, guess I am forced to wait for my death and hope my attacker doesn't decide to just keep me around"
Remember, some juvenile creatures are the size of some hatchlings.
grave karma
maybe damage over time?
agile kiln
I mentioned a struggle mechanic which would prevent things like that
grave karma
only way i can think of it being less griefable
i dont see a hatchling escaping from a grapple
blazing charm
Yet apparently Austral's main form of attacking are its claws, you're telling me a tiny baby is going to struggle out of the claws of such an animal?
next nexus
so like, pouncing is a well thought out and fleshed out mechanic which allows the player to latch onto prey and work together to take down prey much larger then yourself right? compared to "you yoink babies even though just outright killing the baby would be faster, safer and a lot less work on the players part"
agile kiln
fair enough
grave karma
if it doesn’t kill them, they’ll do it to be an ass
agile kiln
but once more, that was just the "hey this could also work" part of the post, the main Idea would be to make it wrestle down its prey like a big cat
blazing charm
Now, going back to Levi's originally point for a moment.
slow stream
ya know some people actually keeps others from eating carcasses like the occasional herbis being assholes to carnis and not letting them eat
literally EVERYTHING in the isle is griefable
blazing charm
Not an excuse to add more ways to grief others, two wrongs don't make a right.
next nexus
and hot take: just because the devs are adding more dinosaurs doesn't mean its the right choice, I'm personally really not sold that bloating the already un-unique bland roster with even more potential playerbles is the right shout. If they are AI only species like most of the team want outside of don then thats a different kettle of fish
blazing charm
The idea of wrestling prey is still outshined by Allosaurus, or even Raptors, one is stronger and the other is faster with excellent group syngery.
agile kiln
I mean, Allosaurus/allosauroid arm mobility would prevent it from grappling
where megaraptorans dont have those limitations
blazing charm
Allosaurus has been said to grapple later on in development
BUT REALISM SAYS-
grave karma
aka wrestling shit
slow stream
I'm starting to realize austral is just a smaller allo with arm that moves more freely
agile kiln
well then, jesus no need to get this worked up about it
I hadn't even heard that about allo
slow stream
I give up, alright cya
agile kiln
I thought you were coming from a "this is how it would have hunted" pov
not a "this is going to be in the game" pov
blazing charm
God no, couldn't care less about how it actually hunted.
grave karma
yeah no we were talking about your suggestion, suggestion for the game
blazing charm
^
slow stream
I did say smth about the protoceratop
agile kiln
fair enough then
slow stream
like how it would burrow and shit
grave karma
if we were talking about how it would’ve irl, we probably would’ve been in paleotalk
slow stream
these guys told me how it wouldn't really survive as easy as others
agile kiln
fair enough, joined the server today so still getting used to how the discussions play out in different channels
grave karma
it would be a smaller ava without horns
blazing charm
Proto wouldn't be fast enough to escape most small predators, the quils would only work on Juveniles or Velociraptor/Herrera. Burrowing would be the safest bet, but who wants to sit in a burrow forever.
slow stream
they can make other entrance/exits to go out of the burrow
grave karma
lazy dryos
agile kiln
I guess you could have it use its beak?
grave karma
still
agile kiln
but that wouldn't work on the bigger carnivores
blazing charm
Okay, so basically all you need to do then is just sit at both entrances, no?
grave karma
tiny compared to most predators
agile kiln
definetely
grave karma
or just sit with the two entrances in view and chase it when it goes out either
blazing charm
Actually, someone bring up Proto's size.
Let's actually sit down and discuss this indepth.
agile kiln
sheep sized iirc
blazing charm
Since fuckin Hypsh or whatever it's called is apparently coming in, we might aswell consider Proto.
grave karma
tiny compared to dryo’s small horse size
blazing charm
This is the best I could find.
grave karma
would hypsi be playable or ai? do we know?
slow stream
how small are hypsi?
grave karma
yeah comparable to velociraptor which is like thigh height maybe
blazing charm
I'm actually not sure if Hypsi is AI or not, but apparently a majority of the 14 are small creatures.
agile kiln
blazing charm
That is
agile kiln
around orodromeus size
blazing charm
the worst picture, you could've gotten.
grave karma
comparable sizes
slow stream
proto and velos are the same size
grave karma
around
agile kiln
yeah
slow stream
ar o u n d the same size
blazing charm
You got the thumbnail size and it frustrates me.
agile kiln
honestly if you want to go with something that looks like Protoceratops but would be more fun to play I would have suggested Udanoceratops
slow stream
oh I'm sorry mr. I want big pictures
agile kiln
slow stream
what even the-
blazing charm
@slow stream Kinda hard to make a point if you can't read what it says.
grave karma
looks defenseless compared to other ceratopsians other than its sheer size
slow stream
...touche
blazing charm
So, it's bigger Ava, without horns.
grave karma
yes
blazing charm
Doesn't even have the quills or burrowing potential.
grave karma
diablo/ava without horns basically
slow stream
or frills
agile kiln
with a really nasty bite instead
grave karma
so it can only bite and sit on stuff?
little tendon
what are we talkin about now? i was hiding from utahs
grave karma
seems quite defenseless to me
slow stream
protos
agile kiln
same
grave karma
doesnt the model have them
slow stream
would be neat to see carnis getting a face full of quills
slow stream
why do I feel like udanoceratops would fill the porcupine niche?
slow stream
would still be neat to see udano being covered in quills and w- yeh I did
agile kiln
that would be really interesting playstyle wise
slow stream
yeh
agile kiln
fishing/browsing
slow stream
deinocheirus is weird in so many ways
agile kiln
yeah
slow stream
theropod, big ass arms and hands, hump on back, duck beak, bipedal, and apparently feathered
slow stream
alright gn
still needle
i dont see compy being playable
it is just so so so so small
but i guess anything can happen right?
silk spoke
Danger noodles... something like the Titanboa.
paper oriole
if youre trying to make a list you just need to hold shift with enter to go down a line, if that's why you have massive spaces between stuff in that suggestion lol
little tendon
srry im used to making lists on phones so i just press the down arrow on it
ashen iris
Titanoboa is a constrictor, not venomous so I dont think it'll show "fangs" but maybe needle like teeth
little tendon
would the animation still work?
chrome mountain
should dino know how to poop or pee? not funny just asking 
indigo sun
They shouldnt do it in this game Louis
stoic crow
@plush meadow Idk because in this way you could easily „find“ food if you’re starving...
But it would be nice to spawn near your friends.
*nearer
plush meadow
yeah true
I was thinking of it because when i play with my friends we always spawn on the other side of the map and it takes us ages to find eachother]
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Not sure if this is still planned, there is definitely an old twitch clip of it, so therefore it is totally possible.
barren zephyr
Ohhh yes!
blazing charm
Let me see if I can find it for you
slow stream
Sans giga when?
blazing charm
Hrm, it's kinda awkward on mobile.
barren zephyr
Its alright. Just knowing it might be a thing is cool enough for me :D thanks
blazing charm
Alright, I'll probably look again when I'm at my PC.
slow stream
No seriously, sans giga when
stoic crow
@plush meadow could you change your suggestion to „...near your steam friends...“
But then it’s also totally my opinion!
plush meadow
ok
indigo sun
@thorny idol thats already a thing
thorny idol
Oh really? Is it being added by the recode or is it in now?
thorny idol
That’s interesting, i wonder why it isnt used often
indigo sun
maybe the srevr owners dont want to use it
stoic crow
@plush meadow thank you so much!
thorny idol
@indigo sun thanks for the info
indigo sun
youre welcome
plush meadow
np @stoic crow
sonic cloud
@barren zephyr
Giga is a bleeder, if you lower it’s bleed and increase the damage it just becomes T. rex
safe galleon
also reacting to your own suggestion 
sonic cloud
sonic cloud
It doesn’t need solving.
When herbivores could group up and chat inter species they hunted down carnivores
formal willow
ohh i didnt even think of that
makes sense i guess
so like-
they challenge to be the leader of the herd/family
?
vestal rune
lmao that typo
also even though the bar has been lowered, I still think compy is too small for a playable
imagine how small the juvies would be? literal ants
night mountain
I hope them and every other animal in the entire game like fish and stuff are injectable like current ai
Except like the particle effect animals like butterflies I guess
indigo sun
@barren zephyr no joke suggestions. if that isnt a joke, you need more than "add this" also copyright is a thing
night mountain
To be fair, you could make the copyright argument for Utah too lmao
barren zephyr
Ok I'm sorry I was not thinking
rotund panther
Something that I have noticed in the second last teaser, picture of the stegosaurs defending against an predator(spino), so does the stego an 3 call animation( probably) and that gave me an idea. What if herbs could have an mode for defence, ready to defend its self and do 1,5x or higher damage compared to its original stats while defending? That would mean that predators would have to be more caution while hunting or fighting and maybe depend more on packs, teamwork and ambush its prey. For the herbs to also relay more on herds and skill than before for the survival. To make it functional so could you only need to press 3 call to threat and the players character will automatically go to an defence position/mode and walk slowly around in its defend mode. To get out of it it is just run, call other calls or press z which managed the walk speed. I think this could give herbs an more intense, interesting and fun gameplay and the predators would need to think twice before making some stego/trike on their dinnerplate
I do not know what u all think about that but I think it would advance the combat in a positive way in the game.
barren zephyr
That sound a bit complicated for the isle
paper oriole
Bruh that hurt to read
granite cedar
Am I alone that thinks that matchup are too much one sided, and than on the update, a group of 4 allos should be able to take a lonely giga or rex ?
that drives into... just looking eachother
we cnt fight eachother, we already know, whatever how many u are, 3 rex will win against whatever is fighting them, no way u can kill them
that's quite sad... :/
I mean, in fact... when u look an apex adult and an apex giga.... physicly... there is not that size difference
odd sedge
I want to say something about the oviraptor. I already suggested this dinosaur with a few stats etc. The ovi wouldn't just be faster than a Utah, It would pretty much be as fast as a herrera or slightly slower, because the ovi was that fast
Depending how fast the herrera was.
The herrera in game has a speed of 55,8 km/h
The oviraptor has a speed of 69 km/h
It would def. Be faster, but It would be smaller, weaker and lighter than the herrera
rotund panther
The original was raw lol sorry @paper oriole Long story short, some herbs has an defence mod that does more damage than its original stats( 1,5x etc). The trade is that the herbs can only walk in that mode and can be activated when 3 calling and deactivated when start running, calling other calls etc.
Oviraptor would be cool but irritating to play as one when it is not common with nests/eggs. Maybe after the recode when there is an reward to nest people so would it work
indigo sun
eggs could only be part of its diet so that it can survive without them but gets more nutrition from em
rotund panther
Alternative diet is compies and smaller animals/juvies