#general-feedback-discussion
thorny lynx
pseudo falcon
I'm no expert on the topic, but I know we've talked to dinosauriac about the old skin textures a while ago
and how poorly optimized and huge the textures were.
so if nothing else, the skins you specifically referenced won't be making a direct return
thorny lynx
The textures have improved in quality but not optimization
I'm with Pachy on this one. There is no reason Devs cannot step up the quality and allow alpha blending to transition between colors or have a few fading textures as options.
Especially now that we have some of the best coders on the team
And an AMAZING AMAZING concept artist
jovial moss
I'm just saying this game will probably never be as big as ARK, and not nearly as taxing on the computer if it has proper structural coding behind it
thorny lynx
Love u Fred
jovial moss
So the only thing stopping good skins and stuff is just the bad code which is being fixed
thorny lynx
I am hoping that at least includes fading textures
And more anti-aliasing near color borders
Don't get me wrong. the textures ARE high-res, but they are a bit too crisp
Reminds me of pixelated artwork
pseudo falcon
only one thing's for certain. The old textures are useless. They'll definitely need to redo them entirely.
thorny lynx
But they can bring the patterns back.
viral creek
@thorny lynx Colors fading into eachother isn't a thing for optimization sake
this has already been mentioned
thorny lynx
There has to be some anti-aliasing or blending or something
viral creek
You can make your skins blend. Just pick consistent colors.
viral creek
uh huh
scales do that
have you seen a lizard.
Either way, I don't think they plan on changing it.
thorny lynx
Even then it isn't a scale by scale basis
I think it's just
I'm not sure
You're right.
But to be honest, some dinosaurs look way too smooth around the sides and the midsection to where it looks like they don't have scales
Like Rex. I can't tell if he is just skin or scales half the time because the patterns are so strange on him.
viral creek
or maybe it's because your camera is a decent bit away from him
notice that the pic you used, as the "how it should be" example was zoomed in
thorny lynx
You're right. I've deleted it.
viral creek
you didn't need to delete it but ok
thorny lynx
I'm just not sure if I like the 'vein' texture styles like on Rex and Trike
Or the 'splotch'
Or the random light color where the dark color should be
viral creek
I think you need to consider what dondi said, even if it sounds mean
As in, just because you don't like it, dosen't mean it's bad and there was no work into it
viral creek
well of course it is
they haven't had much time to work on it, cause they had bigger priorties
and that's why they should work on getting out more patterns/colors instead of scrapping the ones we already have cause "muh blending"
jovial moss
I don't really know what Fluff was talking about regarding fading and not fading, but some of the current skins are pretty meh on their composition, which isn't really the worst thing in the world, but I think having certain colours per dinosaur and limiting the colour choices slightly would be better than every dinosaur having every colour
I don't like PoT as a game but the one thing they did well imo was skins and their colour customization and limits, so I wouldn't mind something similar in the future of The Isle. Idk much about coding but I think having a limited colour palette per dino would be less of a strain on the code and on computers?
It'd also make each dinosaur more unique to see rather than "oh look cheeto rex, oh look cheeto allo, oh look cheeto dryo, oh look cheeto trike"
still temple
still waiting for the old patterns to make a return for the skin system 
obsidian sleet
@valid flower Yea they are in the game, but they are bigger than what I'm talking about. I mean something smaller than either of those two. More of a micro-raptor.
sage helm
We wont be getting anything smaller than velo
I doubt velo will be playable until the far far future in survival because its so small
barren zephyr
Most "old" skins are levia or jiggy so sadly we wont be seeing them again, some of the more recent ones possibly
Sad icicle allo noises
sonic cloud
Don’t know why people want Levia skins back so badly, 90% of the had the quality of the current skin system while not actually being able to edit the colours.
If you are arguing for Jiggy, RJ and I believe Fred did some skins too?
Then yeah I can actually see a point, most of their skins blended very well and looked good enough to offset the lack of customisation.
Levia skins were only good because they were the first and so people didn’t know better.
Like even with the current skin system you can make skins that are better quality and better colour blended than hers.
Of course there are some exceptions, for example most of Levia sucho skins did look quite nice
stray cloak
Changing seasons seems like an interesting idea. Maybe not snow, but like variations on where food grows
paper oriole
@austere plinth this is the place for written reaction to suggestions, not the suggestion channel
humble palm
well i just see it as a 16km map that everyone plays in the middle of, when the whole map could be utilized
so i was just throwing somthing out there
its probably been discussed
austere plinth
my bad new here and didn’t even see this channel
indigo sun
I like it
Perhaps instead of four there could be two seasons though since the island is more tropical
Could continue the same rotational path with a wet and dry season
Certain herbivores could follow the wet season like how wildebeest follow the rain while others could survive off of plants that dont give nutritional value to the ones that have to follow the rain
Carnivores would, in turn, follow their preferred prey
lament thorn
^ I like this
stray cloak
Blood in the water is a neat idea maybe it would show on smelling too
barren zephyr
I suggest
Certain skins being available through genetics only
So when ya breed a red crested rex with a blue rex you gets a purble rex
indigo sun
Put it in suggestions then
paper oriole
#buffpachy
paper oriole
lol i dont see how random hostile ai is a new incentive to play herbivore, they need actually engaging gameplay
indigo sun
Yeah i cant say that makes me say "ooh herbivores sound interesting! Might check that out"
paper oriole
hostile ai in general is a given though, more not pussyass free cheeseburger ai
but it aint gonna push people to play herbi
indigo sun
@empty dove how does that encourage herbivore players?? Aggressive ai will happen but it just spawning to encourage one faction over the other would be an annoyance
empty dove
Because you then get to fight or run over just fighting what easily kills you
sage helm
Besides you already have that with players
hallow vigil
@tawny root pls read pinned messages (top right corner of the page when you click on a channel). Suggestions that are only "add ___" aren't allowed, you have to expand/explain why they would be a good suggestion
paper oriole
many people play herbivore for the social/herding aspect, it would probably be good to find ways to make a perk around that rather than throwing in some rando AI that attacks you based on faction. I mean herbi players are already vastly outnumbered by carnis so not having enough stuff to fight isn't true especially when better AI is added that isn't connected to carni hunger as free handouts
sage helm
Migrating for affinity buffs are a possibility
pseudo falcon
@empty dove don't you think there's enough people trying to kill herbivore players? Why would you want more carnivore AI when we have a majority of carnivore players on servers anyways?
night mountain
Ai gigas 
empty dove
Because carnivores don’t go for fair fights or fights they’re likely to lose
valid zephyr
I do want to see more AI, including AI carnis to be a threat.
Would make the world more engaging.
I'd prefer more players instead though.
rough dune
yes
safe galleon
@tawny root can you elaborate?
indigo sun
@tawny root try to put some actual effort into the suggestion
valid zephyr
Plz give potential stats, mechanics, reasons they would be good to have in game, etc.
tawny root
sabre tooth, should be added has there a no other mammal that can pull dynos out of burrows. so the other ones could just sit in burrows all day and grow,if they do grow.
indigo sun
Dryos dont grow in burrows though
safe galleon
and why add another creature to do just that one thing and not add that ability to other dinos that are in the game
indigo sun
Its like $7k to add an animal i dont think pulling things out of burrows is a good enough reason
Also juvi utahs can already chase dryos out of burrows so its not like thats not a thing already
Smilodon doesnt even feel right for the game. Which is a weird thing to say considering theres mutant dinos but it just feels weird. It would be out of place without other animals from its time, and it doesnt feel right throwing it in among dinosaurs. It's adding an animal just to add it
indigo sun
Or you could just make a game about animals from that time period
Not you specifically
But like, that could also just be a thing
slender spindle
i know
lol
idc about it just thought adding that as a poetical into the mix would do something
personally just dinos will do me
and you know
the mutants
i like the hyperendocrin idea
indigo sun
Mammals beyond humans and whatever the fuck tribals are feel off. I dont see those and think "oh yeah that'd be perfect" because the game focuses on dinosaurs and clearly so did AE so what reason would they have to recreate animals from a later period? They just dont fit
slender spindle
i mean
from a irl view
starting with mammals is a good starting point as mammals that went extinct earlier would be easier to clone/bring back to life
but dinosaurs are badass
indigo sun
Maybe as like a test to see if they could go far enough back with less and less to go off of as they went back in time. Starting with things thst went extinct recently and moving backwards til youve got dinos.
But other than that i wouldnt see a reason to do it unless it was the main goal of my company
slender spindle
ingame no reason lore on the other hand
indigo sun
Regardless, "it can drag dryos out of burrows" isnt a valid reason to add an animal that would cost $7,000
ionic comet
Joke suggestion
sonic cloud
Unfortunately it isn’t
tawny root
well one, don't swear at me, sonny. two : you or me are not experts on dinos and why would they cost $7,000 per mammal. i only just brought the game. has i never heard of it before.so that tells you something that it takes nearly 5 years toreach the community
safe galleon
to make a creature in a game costs money
sonic cloud
Not worth adding one that gets killed by the first Utah that sees it anyway
safe galleon
and no one swore at you
indigo sun
No one swore at you so idk what youre talking about.
And yeah, theres the model for each life stage, all the animations, the calls, etc. That costs money.
Its not like they do that shit for free
Well okay thats swearing
But thats not at you its a general swear
tawny root
well i do that a shit ,not animals , but tracks for racing....
sonic cloud
safe galleon
I don't understand...
indigo sun
Theyve got i think four people who all work on a single animal
tawny root
rfactor track tracks modder
indigo sun
Tracks arent the same as making three to four models by hand, making all the noises and animating everything and putting skins on them
sage helm
And it doesnt matter what you think it would cost when we have been told this is how much it costs
indigo sun
What you do is a mod, what they do is professional work and the devs get paid to make these things.
They cant make it for free
tawny root
if it cost that much for a animal, then why don't they use the DLC option
indigo sun
The game isnt even out of early access
Why would they make dlc
A game should be finished before you even think about dlc
tawny root
to recoop the cost of
sonic cloud
Because the 50 people who actually buy the dlc for an animal that can’t fend of a single Utah won’t make back the cost of making the animal
indigo sun
They get money just fine
sage helm
The recoop of the cost should be the players ourchasing the game
indigo sun
But also they shouldnt be spending it on usless stuff
sage helm
And what jagilis said
sonic cloud
If you want a sabre tooth tiger have a look at avaceratops.
That’s things the rough size of a saber tooth and speed.
Look at how it’s absolutely screwed by literally everything.
Bad enough suggesting a redundant animal, worse suggesting one that ends up a freekill for everything that moves
sage helm
It literally cant out run a giga
tawny root
sabre are pounce/hunter animal not built for speed.
sonic cloud
So your saying it would be even slower?
That’s not helping your argument
safe galleon
I want one good reason for sabre
sonic cloud
“mUh FaVoUrItE”
tawny root
they are lone hunters. and don't need packs like creaos.
safe galleon
can it even kill anything on it's own? it needs a pack
tawny root
you want. it a bult like anold swatznegger
indigo sun
What
sonic cloud
Pretty sure it’s smaller than a dryo
slender spindle
that would be weak as hell
sonic cloud
Pretty sure fresh spawn Allo is about that size?
sonic cloud
Tbh a kick from a gallimimus will probably bisect a sabertooth
slender spindle
oh yeah
slender spindle
dies
indigo sun
Sorry im a dumbass i cant type
tawny root
so is this,
indigo sun
What is that
safe galleon
explain
tawny root
Lythronax
slender spindle
ok
safe galleon
and...?
indigo sun
What about it?
slender spindle
why do you bring this up?
tawny root
it smaller than a human too ,
indigo sun
And??
safe galleon
and?!?!?
indigo sun
Still weak as shit like dryo
safe galleon
it isn't even in the game
indigo sun
Like ptera
sage helm
Probably wont be if its that small
indigo sun
Those two cant do shit and neither will your not-tiger
tawny root
you wouldn't want to argue with it, Gilbert they are think of it
safe galleon
ofc I wouldn't want to argue with a dinosaur
slender spindle
and 2,500kg
sage helm
The lies
indigo sun
Thats taller than a human being
slender spindle
yeah
indigo sun
The smilodon doesnt even reach a man's shoulder
slender spindle
if you did a quick google search you can clearly see its scale
safe galleon
can you explain why you even brought it up, banger?
slender spindle
yeah
oblique sluice
Lythronax smaller than human
tawny root
slender spindle
then lied about its size
oblique sluice
Lmao
oblique sluice
Seems like in banger country there are ppl around 7m
safe galleon
why do bring up a dinosaur that isn't even in the game @tawny root ?
out of nowhere
slender spindle
this is an adult
oblique sluice
Mammals would only work as some dlc in their especific map without dino interaction
and even then, meh
slender spindle
more like alberto rn so no point to even think about it
oblique sluice
Carno sees a smilodon
indigo sun
Compare that
slender spindle
lunch
oblique sluice
Hey guys cat is back in the menu
oblique sluice
bUT I WaNT mU fAv AnImAL
safe galleon
I think we scared them off
slender spindle
but i want tawbosawrws
safe galleon
nvm
slender spindle
good he should nor be here
tawny root
ur an idiot!
indigo sun
safe galleon
xD
safe galleon
frick
indigo sun
Fuck are you are talking about
slender spindle
@tawny root what about a 2.5tonne therapods digging up small dinos barrows?
oblique sluice
I want sabre, just like 50 cool or cooler other animals
they just don't fit the game
This guy needs to understand that
slender spindle
yeah
safe galleon
and then u bring up lythronax out of nowhere
indigo sun
Your point made no sense
slender spindle
also the image was yutyrannus
indigo sun
The animal you brought up is more than twice the size of the smilodon
safe galleon
when will the lies end
slender spindle
not lythronax
indigo sun
It did nothing to help you prove anything
sonic cloud
Pretty sure it was lythronax
Yutyrannus is pretty much Allo with feathers
oblique sluice
Giv us herrera sabre tooth niche, fixed
slender spindle
.... do i see helicoprion in your name?
oblique sluice
YES
slender spindle
i love that shark lol
safe galleon
make all the other dinos smaller than sabre so it can be viable
sonic cloud
Give sabre cerato rex treatment.
Make it Allo sized
slender spindle
anyways
500kg
200N
50 bleed
35km/h - 45km/h
with a critical hit chance to deal X2 damage can work i think
safe galleon
you mean for sabre?
sonic cloud
Oh wait are we being serious?
slender spindle
no im bored
safe galleon
I mean, weren't sabre made for wrestling down it's prey and then biting the throat
slender spindle
thats what i meant for the critical hit chance
slender spindle
could be more then X2 but it was standard
more like X5 or 10
to really deal damage to utah or dilo and even cerato or allo
safe galleon
sprint down juvies then wrestle them to the ground and bite their throat
safe galleon
could be a cool playstile
slender spindle
yeah a juvi killer ambusher type deal i guess
ionic comet
Even if that were viable, it wouldn't make sense to have 1 random mammalian predator in a roster fulled with dinosaurs
Would look out of place
slender spindle
yeah
safe galleon
not sure wich tho
slender spindle
aww
but smaller dinos tend not to be rebust
i think troodon can pull it off with the stats i gave saber tooth
safe galleon
maybe
safe galleon
and good night vision maybe
indigo sun
Its not in survival though
It can be reworked
Austro isnt in any fixed position right now
sage helm
It would get a rework if put into survival anyway
oblique sluice
Y, dryo isn't that small
slender spindle
oh shit ok i forgot dryo is bigger then i thought
paper oriole
We have herrera and troodon is fake news
safe galleon
what if... dryo got some sort of jump tackle
oblique sluice
I mean, as allo you see a velo/taco like fucking microscopic
sage helm
Dryos just dont seem that big in game
oblique sluice
Then you realize it's like a big dog
slender spindle
makes them look small
oblique sluice
When humans are in again
slender spindle
i want to grow a dryo now
oblique sluice
Every scale will be, oh god oh fuck
paper oriole
A dryo could bodyslam a human to death
safe galleon
walking through the tall grass as human would be terrifying
sage helm
I want dryos to have good night vision so I can make hit and run attacks on humans at night
paper oriole
Yees
safe galleon
what would be the goal for humans, for dinos it's to grow but are humans just there to kill?
sage helm
Dryo freedom fighter
dreamy wharf
Lore stuff.
And it’s a survival game too, y’know?
You’re just supposed to stay alive I guess.
safe galleon
I guess
sage helm
Herbis worship the blue bush God 
patent spade
I missed such a good discussion
tepid gate
I think you were all too hard on that guy who suggested Smilodon to be added to the game, while it doesn't fit and would require way too much work from the devs to add them in a reasonable manner, they wouldn't necessarily be unplayable because "everything is bigger than them" populator's size is a bit smaller than that of a utahraptor 400kg to 500kg, note that I'm talking about the real life utahraptor, the one in game with its built doesn't look anywhere close to that mass estimate.
tepid gate
I'm not, I'm just saying that I disagree with the reasoning of most people who argued why it's a bad idea.
In the current iteration it would be absolutely impossible to make any prehistoric cat or bear playable.
Post-recode maybe, but that's a big maybe
mellow maple
Cenozoic expansion
tepid gate
ye, I could dig that, some day perhaps
night mountain
A cat would pretty easily be one of the most viable playables seeing as it could just climb up on shit and go full docktah. Kinda out of place tho, add platybelodon instead
blazing charm
@broken flax Do you wanna uh, elaborate on that?
blazing charm
What you posted in Suggestions.
broken flax
I mean when I looked in the herbivores section I was kinda surprised they weren’t there
blazing charm
We are going to be getting a Stegosaurus.
broken flax
I feel like they would make sense unless the game is set earlier
Oh cool
Would the color changing back plates be a thing?
blazing charm
I believe it was shown that the plates were semi transparent in light.
I'd have to go dig through stream clips.
blazing charm
Also, just for future reference
blazing charm
When you're suggesting any creature, don't just say the name. It's super unhelpful and doesn't contribute towards getting said creature in the game.
You need to explain your reasoning.
broken flax
Got it, sorry
blazing charm
It's fine, just trying to save you the trouble.
broken flax
I’ll make sure it happens next time if I think of something
oblique sluice
@broken flax V3 will disappear so there is no point on fixing the bridge now
blazing charm
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle
broken flax
Fair point
barren zephyr
The stego's lil' tail spikes seem to move like rubber extensions on it's tail when trotting
native nebula
i'm sort of campaigning a bit for artistic liberty vs. reality with stego, technically those plates were solid bone so wouldn't let light through... but on the other hand... it looks so cool.
will have to see.
stray cloak
@next walrus they could use the affinity system to penalize starting near corpses units they are next to nests with eggs
next walrus
Oh
patent spade
personally I do feel like the dinos all need an improvement for their night vision. it would encourage ppl to roam during nighttime instead of hiding every 30 minutes not to mention by the time anything is within your night vision its already too late for you to react unless you are a dilo
dilos should keep their title of having the best night vision in the game followed maybe by Utah. maybe have apexs with the worst night vision in survival though that doesnt necessarily mean awful nv. @azure arch
pale prairie
@wary plank omnivores are planned, there's a new "omnivore" option on the new selection screen shown on stream.
warped zealot
Night Vision in general needs improved upon atm.
Cant do diddly squat at night because you can't see 3 feet infront of your nose, so you just sort of sit there and wait it out or risk breaking your leg on a sudden cliff/rock 🤣
untold rapids
Hey guys, i have a question but i don't see any channel for that, where should i ask it?
untold rapids
Ty
Well i friend wanna buy the isle so she wanna know when the isle will be on sale again
*my
indigo sun
Yeah
untold rapids
Ok ty for your help
indigo sun
If its about the isle it goes there.
Youre welcome
jovial moss
My issue with beelzebufo is thst it's so small that it'd only pose a threat to hatchling dinosaurs and like, juvie velos and utahs
It's such a small critter
night mountain
Just make it bigger. They did it with dibble why not beelze
austere plinth
i would prefer it be larger. a bit smaller than adult diablo
echo mauve
@austere plinth do you realize that beezle would be way too small. Other small ai's are already surprisingly big but beezle is very small for isle scale as even adult and juv/hatch would be way too small for isle
austere plinth
exactly
jovial moss
There are much larger and less known amphibians who are more resilient who could be added in its place
sage helm
What do you think ptera is a threat to? @jovial moss
sage helm
Yea?
austere plinth
so scale it up! the cat size ref was purely for real life reference. i’m the isle we can resize it to fill its niche
sage helm
And
austere plinth
in the isle*
night mountain
Make it like big enough to eat mercs
jovial moss
Idk
night mountain
echo mauve
well it could already eat mercs
night mountain
Eat baby mercs
echo mauve
im pretty sure it can 1 shot easily merc with ability to bleed/infect it
jovial moss
austere plinth
beelzes can’t put the sickly status on other things
jovial moss
I'd just prefer these over beelz
austere plinth
it’s not venemous it’s poisonous
night mountain
Those would all be so slow and get shit on by deino so hard
sage helm
A cat sized thing would not one shot a merc
austere plinth
we can scale it up!!
night mountain
Beelze you could at least give a jump or something
echo mauve
grapple would be useless its already so small and hard for it to find any hatches
austere plinth
but for small dino’s and beezles?
echo mauve
we cant just scale it up like 3x its way too small
sage helm
Idk
night mountain
Dibble was Ava sized
austere plinth
diablo got scaled up ;3;
night mountain
Isle scales shit weird all the time
sage helm
Dibble may be getting smaller again
echo mauve
and ava got scaled down
jovial moss
A good chunk of those are actually mainly terrestrial, so tjey'd outrun fatty Deino on land no prob
night mountain
Galli is also tiny
echo mauve
so you say ava is irl scaled
night mountain
sage helm
No ava but dibbles there
jovial moss
I do like the idea of amphibians in the game though
night mountain
bleeds out an allo through its toes
echo mauve
so how damn big is utah then
jovial moss
But it'd depend on if they fix the upsizes in the recode or not
sage helm
Pretty sure they are
echo mauve
utah is much taller than ava and ava is tall as normal human what i have understood
ingame utah is taller than ava
sage helm
Dibbles size was accurate when it was added in
echo mauve
and ava is irl scaled atm right?
sage helm
By the time dibble was found to be smaller it already had its neich
jovial moss
If everything only gets to its max size after recode then Beelz won't be worth it other than being lake AI
sage helm
Which is a different situation then adding a creature to be large in the first place
echo mauve
shouldnt utah be smaller if ava is irl scaled atm but utah is much bigger than ava atm
austere plinth
back to beelze ;3;
sage helm
In game
austere plinth
add him!! reeee!!
jovial moss
But Temnospondyls on the other hand, they're big enough to be valid and still play similar to a giant horror frog
echo mauve
id say utah is 2x taller ingame than it used to be?
jovial moss
Plus they are variable, some are terrestrial and some are even oceanic like wtf nature
jovial moss
I can only see it being AI if it was ever added
austere plinth
hnnnng
jovial moss
Which I mean I'd be ok with
sage helm
Id like it as ai
abstract shuttle
Genetically modified Beelz
sage helm
Playable in sandbox possibly
abstract shuttle
Make it a super phatboi
jovial moss
Our issue is just the playable size range doesn't favour teeny tiny guys as anything more than AI
It is very sad
jovial moss
Just blame Rex and Giga
austere plinth
i’ll eat their babies and they can’t eat me ez
night mountain
Reminder devs are adding a bunch of tiny species
still needle
would be pretty terrifying if it could eat humans whole
walking by a water source and big frog just leaps on you 
austere plinth
if they’re adding beelzebufo i’ll cry
still needle
lol
manic ibex
We have a Diablo oversized to an insane scale, why not Beelzebufo?
sage helm
@night mountain oh? Like what?
@manic ibex the thing is there is a chance that post recode will bring dinos to their largest irl size
manic ibex
Idc either, but Diablo is actually played a lot
manic ibex
Sure, I agree with that
pulsar lake
Pachyrino is a bit small and is unique
sage helm
So yea if they change all the sizes and then dont for beelze kinda ruins the point
pulsar lake
So that's probable than Dondi want to add it
sage helm
But if they leave dibble then sure
austere plinth
oh yeah baybee
pulsar lake
Why leave dibble ?
austere plinth
beelzebufo time
pulsar lake
Small boys are good
jovial moss
We also don't know how small they are either
jovial moss
small could be Herrera to Pachy or Dryo to 2000 weight or less than Herrera we don't know
sage helm
Omnivores and herbis should get more focus imo
jovial moss
Well 7 of the 8 new dinos are either herbi or omni so
pulsar lake
Herrera has been confirmed by Dondi
jovial moss
I know
pulsar lake
So probably the unconfirmed carni is Alberto
jovial moss
I'm pretty sure they specifically said they were all new dinosaurs
as in we have not seen them before
sage helm
I thought it was 8 new ones Herrera from the game and the ither 7 never seen before
But Im probably wrong
pulsar lake
I think you're wrong but maybe you're right
jovial moss
From what I remember Dondi specified that the 8 dinosaurs in question were brand new playables
and Herrera didn't count towards it
pulsar lake
But all kind of size for omnis are needed, 2 herbs apex and other would be small with 1 mid tier carni
mellow maple
It seems like your suggestion is about priority moves. I'm familiar with it. As a Charizard main, my power moves usually win trades against other characters.
So in the Isle's context, a Rex and an Allo bite each other. Because the Rex is obviously heavier, it takes priority or something
I like it
jovial moss
@pulsar lake here's what I was talking about, 8 unannounced playables
jovial moss
That one new carnivore isn't Alberto, Alberto and Herrera are announced and confirmed pretty much
This new carnivore is brand new
and so is everything else
austere plinth
ITS BEELZEBUFO!!!!!!!!!
jovial moss
austere plinth
there’s hope
the thing is at this point if it isn’t beelzebufo i’ll genuinely be disappointed.
jovial moss
For your sake I hope it is beelzebufo
jovial moss
I would love Beelzebufo honestly, I just didn't want you to get overwhelming support without someone explaining the downsides or negatives
austere plinth
i know and i appreciate it. not all suggestions are all pros however.
night mountain
It’s pela sorry 
austere plinth
HHHHNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGg
warped zealot
It's Thanos 
still needle
dont remind me of the albino carnivore dryo days
stray cloak
@warped zealot be funny if it was Thanos. Something tells me it's either be aquatic or mid tier though
I bet it's going to be like a microraptor or something
Or maybe a type of raptor to satisfy the people upset with new utah
barren zephyr
beezlebufo gets added to the game out of a stupid joke
theres something about beezle that i abseolutley despise of
it vores shit
alive
and digests their heads while their legs struggle around outside its mouth
its just sad to think it existed
it just digests things heads alive with those cold dead eyes
it makes me feel deeply.. i guess just guilty for the thing its torchering
with its cold dead eyes
im glad its fucking dead
sonic cloud
Play beezlebufo
“Oh boy I can’t wait to be stepped on by literally everything that moves without having the ability to run away”
paper oriole
if anything Beez would be AI, i mean we already hear frogs. it'd be about as much of a threat as velo maybe even less
it'd be velo for baby deinosuchus lol
crimson phoenix
yea, we are getting smaller things, but beez is smaller than a taco
who on earth would want to play as a carnivore that could barely kill a juvie utah (vore fanatics aside)
paper oriole
beez is smaller than most of the other small things people yell about being too small/weak
it'd be nice to have as AI for juvies to mess with but not much more unless they buffed its size for gameplay
most it could really hope to do is raid nests people leave unattended near its water sources
unless they add a new roster of smaller tiers as a new layer of the ecosystem because right now something so small has no place as a playable
crimson phoenix
My issue with it is the largest size I can find for it is 16 inches....That's smaller then my cat and tacos are like dog sized
night mountain
Again just make it bigger but small in isle terms. The isle does not stick to using realistic sizes.
sonic cloud
Unless you make it significantly bigger it’s still a complete freekill.
Can we just have one week without a garbage creature suggestion?
Is that too much to ask?
crimson phoenix
you would have to quintuple (five times) it's size to make it the same size as a taco
that would be the most drastic deviation (to my knowledge) any animal has in the isle (size wise, not bipedal spino and featherless utah wise)
also what would it do? All I can think of it doing even with a size buff is be a fat velo
sonic cloud
^
crimson phoenix
I wouldn't mind eating these as a sucho, but I don't think dev time and money is worth spending on this (my opinion, I will probable cry if we get this over Cotylorhynchus, while it's a meme to it's got 2 things over beez. 1: coty is a herbivore, I feel having herbivores that do practically nothing is better than carnivores doing practically nothing 2: it's not smaller than literally everything else in the game)
night mountain
Make it grow forever like deino 
blazing charm
There are people who actually want a frog?
sonic cloud
Imagine thinking it’s even going to happen
barren zephyr
Yes king
still temple
so ppl want to play as a juvi taco sized creature that vores shit and can't stray far from water or it'll die
barren zephyr
essentially? yep, you summed it up perfectly
still temple
jesus. aight. I personally don't mind a prehistoric amphibian being playable, but a glorified toad ain't it.
like look at this fucker, would ppl really prefer playing as what essentially is an African Bullfrog over this beast
austere plinth
hey uh sorry to break it to you but
not a frog. therefore not valid. ty come again sis
cancelled
also scale up beelzebufo
ez
indigo sun
I'd rather have koolasuchus or that guy
austere plinth
open your eyes. you love beelzebufo
stray cloak
Temnospondyls though
indigo sun
It would take so much scaling up to make it playable that at that point you would be better off adding koola or the one above to stick to something even close to the original animal
still temple
or commits unnamed potential 7+m long temnospondyl
indigo sun
Beelzebufo couldnt do anything
still temple
I can see why you have 2 strikes already
indigo sun
I could just as easily put on my costume boots and smush it
still temple
like tf is a frog gonna do. It jumps, it vores, and it gets stepped on and dies
indigo sun
It couldnt do anything even twice its original size
And the devs are going for as accurate a size as they can get
still temple
as to why 50 ppl want a playable frog is beyond me
I think ARK has seriously fucked the public perception on how big beelzebuffo actually is
indigo sun
Resources could be put to better use and beelzebufo could just be ai
I suggested it as swamp ai
stray cloak
@indigo sun on the note for size, I wonder if things like dilo are the right size, but the human structure assets are the wrong scale.
still temple
most if not all sizes are currently screwed anyways, I wouldn't be too worried about that
stray cloak
True, but it kinda makes sense that the human assets might be wrong instead of the dinos.
blazing charm
Gonna be honest
I've secretly wanted a Koola that blends into mud'n whatnot.
So you're just walking through shallow swamp water and this big, slimey bastard just pounces on you.
Not really something I seriously think about, not yet anyway but a little daydream of mine
stray cloak
That would be awesome. Maybe it could even knock larger things over so even Apexes need to watch their step in the swamp. Otherwise it would just be Rex food....
blazing charm
Okay not Apexes, that's just silly
stray cloak
Then it'll just be another sucho.
Where sucho can't really exist because of how hard it gets bodied by Apexes. Too slow to run, too weak to fight
frail sigil
@reef berry Please change your nickname to standard characters per #rules-and-info
twilit pewter
Carno needs better Stam, they're already suffering from turn radius and bite force
Stam regen*
grave karma
@frail sigil why is that in here lol
frail sigil
He put in a suggestion and if he was tagged here I figured hed actually check the ping.
still needle
i like jaffads idea with a big camo swamp creature
frail sigil
@gaunt thorn Any comments about suggestions go here. Please read the topic and pins of a channel.
valid flower
@thorny lynx ThIcC
paper oriole
Thick smooth succo boi
reef berry
@frail sigil Ok, I Changed my Name Sorry..
long heath
limpid dove
@fast escarp ask-a-dev was basically cancelled because other game developers couldn't make up their own ideas and started taking information from the ask a dev session and basically it got cancelled. cough. not calling out names but we all know who lol
even if they really tried to hide a lot of their answers or honesty, people would still take advantage
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fast escarp
Ah, okay, ty.
still needle
i like small places for dinosaurs to hide but no raptor places in caves
we already get them hiding at docks and litterally any rock
patent spade
yea i would rather not have rp crap forced onto me thank you very much. maybe its something that can be modded in with the dev kit stuff? still not entirely sure how the dev kit and modding works. if something is added simply for rp then its an unnecessary annoyance forced on everyone
glad dirge
i can just imagine walking into a cave, flicking on my night vision to see 20 pairs of small hungry eyes turn to me.
barren zephyr
caves would be awesome, nooks and crannies might be if itd disadvantage them to camp there
valid zephyr
I know combat logging is a problem, but people do have real lives as well. When I have to go and deal with something even 1 min feels like forever. 5 would be awful.
lilac swallow
Nah, isle players are not supposed to have a life
barren zephyr
@lilac swallow yes but also....yeh
also @steel quartz only larger dinosaurs like the Apatosaurus and the like, had 2nd stomachs, they would eat some stones to help grind down the food in the first stomach and it would then be digested in the 2nd.
steel quartz
@mmoojjnn4422#8694
Not only the large ones swallowed stones.
Chickens and other birds still swallow tiny stones. :)
It was just a random idea, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet.
(Or maybe it has idk)
barren zephyr
@outer lion Too much balancing stuff to take into account, females being bigger means they'd be disadvantaged in a fight because they'd be a larger target and less agile and making them tanky doesn't solve the problem. Means males would be more "agile" by having a smaller area and also deling more damage.
And then when it comes to the balancings stuff, that means you have to do 2 sets of stat for each specie, and multiplying the amount of balancing for the entire roster we have right now and will have later as it keeps expanding is a sure way to make the orverall game's balance absolutely horrendous
Thanks for reading
indigo sun
Pretty sure the devs said they didn't want to do stat differences like that, too
valid zephyr
I'd rather keep dimorphism as just visual.
patent spade
with a 5 minute log out button you might as well just quick log your dino lol
I sure as hell wont be sitting on the logout for 5 fucking minutes watching my water and hunger drop lmao
lilac swallow
All the anti combat log suggestions seems to be made by people who play 24/7
"well ive got 20 minutes to go to my friends House to make that university proyect i will just safe log"
"Fuck im getting attacked, i Guess i have to call my friend and tell him i cant do the proyect with him"
valid flower
@outer lion Females being bigger than males? Are you mad?
That makes 0 absolute sense
hard ember
well it will be realistic if you think of it
patent spade
realistic doesnt make it a good idea or something that should be added
indigo sun
@hard ember they cant add anything until the recode is done
Theyre on an updated version of the engine they use, so you have to wait for recode to get anything new
They know what they need to focus on and they will focus on it
patent spade
would rather then focus on fixing the game than working on any new dinos
and even then there are some devs who arent involved with the recode stuff like rraptor who does the animations for the dinos when he gets the stuff he needs for it
he just doesnt show everything he is working on
lilac swallow
1 realism is not an goal in this game
2 not every single female is bigger than the males nor the other way around @hard ember
hard ember
well i was just saying what i was thinking so
lilac swallow
And im just explaining something
lilac swallow
Same
still temple
Visual sexual dimorphism should only be regulated to stuff like crests and spikes
the stats should always stay the same for both genders
wintry cipher
@hard ember they're able to do both at the same time because diff people have diff jobs. If they only focused on one thing at a time half the team would be twiddling their thumbs waiting for stuff to be done. 👍
limpid dove
Maybe even a slight size difference. Some females were larger than males, vice versa. But, leave the stats as is. We already know if one ends up being stronger than the other, EVERYONE is gonna play that specific gender unless there's a special mechanic worked out....that's just extra work tho
wintry cipher
Modelers, Skinners, animators, programmers, mappers, etc
hard ember
Aha, but wouldn't having the whole team on one project make it go faster?
hard ember
Not needed. I understand it good enough
indigo sun
Putting everyone on one thing takes away from other things when you can have the programmers work on the code, while the other guys do their thing with animals like deino and ptera and whatever, and then when the codes more or less done the programmers can do what they need to with that extra stuff the other guys were working on
indigo sun
@dapper fossil they said no to shit a long time ago
dapper fossil
@indigo sun I'm new, sorry I didn't know
stray cloak
@wintry cipher that's already planned and was shown on stream to an extent
wintry cipher
kk 👍 the clip didnt show that and i missed the stream
wintry cipher
the suggestion was for an animation while sliding
so like you know how parkour folks kind of lean hard to one side whne they land and then move another way
glad dirge
I wouldn't want to wait 5 minutes just to log, 1 is plenty even if there is combat logging sometimes.
last heath
@lilac kayak I think that map idea isnt even confirmed, my guy
lilac kayak
Really then what was that zone were you could play as a fully aquatic creature that might happen?
That I heard about
indigo sun
That was just dondi saying some of the devs wanted something like that
crimson phoenix
really late on this, but some hatchlings don't need to drink, or at least don't need to drink frequently. Diablo babies don't need to drink until they are about to hit juvie, but more babies like this should exist.
crimson phoenix
Replays:
I really hope they stay. They help private servers enforce their rules better then screen recordings because they show the entire area AND the name/steam ID of players. While the isle team doesn't really need to be working on features to help private servers at least keeping this buggy POS replay system would be nice, just for the steam IDs.
It's annoying that some people use the replays to scout out players and kill them, I've never had this happen to me. only time I sit in one place that long I'm a trike and 100% of the times I've died the person who found me definitely found me in game, not via replay. I think replays should stay, but if keeping them is too much work the devs should focus on making the game fun
Leg Break:
Currently any fall always gives you 15 leg break (bone damage? does this have a name?) I feel a cera tripping over a rock is less then a dilo falling off of a cliff. weight already kinda causes you to take more fall damage, with bigger creatures falling shorter distances (with maia and carno being exceptions). Having bone break come in intervals/instances of less than 15 would be great all around
safe galleon
@stoic crow could you explain a little bit more?
slender spindle
its a meme in the discussion lol
stoic crow
@safe galleon well...
safe galleon
well what?
barren zephyr
@stoic crow You do realize that Austro's stats are not up to date because the devs are working on the recode so there's no need to ask for the kind of thing you asked for, right?
Also why would you care about the stats of a dinosaur that isn't even available in Survival yet?
stoic crow
@barren zephyr
- Yes thats right the first good answer.
- Yes.
lilac swallow
How do you answer "yes" to a "why would you..." question?
stoic crow
😂
2. because I want him in.
indigo sun
They don't want movement to be more complex than it is. Using S or whatever to walk backwards to be a control conflict. Theyre putting the turn in place into the basic movement so you dont have to hold a button and then use the movement keys. Bryan talked about this a short while ago. @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Ah, thanks
@indigo sun wasnt it said that both alt turn and walking backwards was going to be implemented
indigo sun
Never heard that
I've only got what bryan said
And bryan said that using s to walk backwards is a control conflict and they dont want complex controls like how alt turn currently is for us
stoic crow
@manic ibex wow...
manic ibex
Don't tag me please I don't have any attention to give you
stoic crow
@manic ibex a little bit rude but...
I know why should it... do you think I think every wish will be in game?!!!!!
I only wrote that argument in my text thats what I wanted to say
So rude
And bad arguments
be quiet
indigo sun
Regardless "i want it" isnt a good reason to add it
patent spade
what he said wasnt even that rude lol
indigo sun
It really wasnt
stoic crow
I dont have any attention isnt rude... well?
sonic cloud
I mean, he isn’t wrong
stoic crow
More or less
sonic cloud
“I want it, therefore it must be added” does make you sound spoiled
indigo sun
The original one that you got yourself all worked up over isnt that rude. And also he asked you not to tag him again and you did, making you the rude one
But again, your argument for wanting it in isnt valid when you consider the cost of adding a dino
stoic crow
I only wrote that before in my text in discussion and didnt understand why he wrote anything...
no I sent the message 1 second after his one i am sorry
I couldnt read it before i wrote
@sonic cloud I nerver wrote its because I want it. I only suggested it.
I am rude when he calls me spoiled and the other one also... well ok
I got it that no one else want it to be added!
sonic cloud
“😂
2. because I want him in.”
Do you read your own posts?
stoic crow
I wrote that to someone else
ionic comet
We already getting a ton of small creatures with the recode
stoic crow
I only want it to get buffed the other thing isnt important to me
is buffing something not only a thing of 10-20 Minutes?
But wouldnt a feathered be nice?
indigo sun
The amount of new systems being implemented means that no, its not 10-20 minutes
ionic comet
Feathered one is in the works aswell, already concept art of it
warped harbor
The current balance of the game is irrelevant
indigo sun
And yeah we're getting hypsilophodon as a new feathered dino
warped harbor
Nothing will be changed in the current version of the game anymore, we'll have to see how things are after the recode
stoic crow
@ionic comet oh thanks one good argument after all
ionic comet
I'm not trying to prove anything, simply saying your suggestion isn't necessary since all those things are already coming
indigo sun
Have you not heard of anything in the recode?
stoic crow
your right
indigo sun
All combat systems are being changed and all the stats are gonna be different because of it
warped harbor
It is not hard
indigo sun
They cant change anything til the recode and by then it might be just coming into survival so it wouldnt matter suggesting a buff
warped harbor
It is impossible
The current game doesn't even exist for the developers anymore
They can't change anything about it
stoic crow
ok
warped harbor
Not even something that would otherwise take 2 minutes to do
stoic crow
well thats right
warped harbor
Such as buffing a creature
Because they are working on remaking the entire game, and by remaking the entire game they will be remaking all the stats, which means the austro may end up being stronger than it is now after all
stoic crow
I didnt understand him in the video, will the other "update" be an update or a DLC or costs something?
warped harbor
Absolutely 100% free
stoic crow
oh thx
indigo sun
Itll be an update
warped harbor
It will be a like a new game
Completely better than what we had before
Like the isle 2
For free.
stoic crow
I wrote that suggestion that they may buff it with the new update
stoic crow
really
NICE
In this case my dream could come true thx
and thx for understanding how my suggestion was meant
warped harbor
Just be assured it will be fun
stoic crow
when will it come out? what do you think? I think 2021 XD
warped harbor
I would say anywhere in 2020
There are no ETAs though
As rule 9 says in #rules-and-info
patent spade
the only eta we have is SoonTm XD
warped harbor
Though I definitely do not think it's gonna take another year
warped harbor
Dondi hasn't really shown us all of it
They've been working on a lot of things.
Things above just simple balance between the dinosaurs
stoic crow
well I hope so... and I hope he drinks enough again to show us some other things LOL
past valve
That arrow idea is so awesome i would love that!!!!
ripe pewter
The isle 2 electric boogaloo
civic bloom
Yeah the arrow would be just like an arrow infront of you. Its size would dictate if they want walk/trot/sprint and would tell you which direction your rider wants you to go and acts like actual riding which is cooperation between two creatures and not just a vehicle yknow
but like that arrow wont force you to go anywhere
it doesnt make you move, the movement is all up to the dinosaur so its up to dinos to those who tamed it to actually break it enough that they will be ridden.
crimson phoenix
current water aura is dumb, it nice at a distance, bit when your close it's a nightmare
I hope that changes with the sniff changes
crimson phoenix
ways of telling when something died would be nice, other then the usually pretty quiet death noises and actually seeing it
slender spindle
@cursive meadow
spino has always been semi-aquatic, i am assuming you mean quadrupedal spino
and i do reply with a be old no
sucho is a better use of the semi-aquatic role with spino on the backs
both fishers tho
outer nebula
they are already remaking the model for a beefier spino to replace the current one
ashen elm
Hmm it seems like based on the suggestions I gave, people like massive caves and hypo plants but not tissoplastic reaper back as a boss. Interesting. 
thorn wagon
“Coolest thing since deinoncyhus”
But on a more serious note, any reasoning for adding the Dakotaraptor aside from “it’s cool”?
blazing charm
@wooden briar You need to offer some substance to your suggestion, mechanics for example.
slender spindle
any reason to add deinocheruis?
@abstract juniper about your giga suggestion i would say no but decreasing it to say you got rex at 6hrs and 40mins i'd say 6hrs no less as it can still kill rexes
not easily like rex can to giga
but i can do it effectively just means giga takes a bit more skill to use then rex
abstract juniper
@slender spindle I never said the giga needs a buff
slender spindle
also i think from what dondi has said on stream allo is getting a speed buff
you did
slender spindle
the first part
that growth timer
i never said buff giga
i just responded to your suggestion
more so dismissing it over agreeing with it
abstract juniper
Decrease if the amount of time to grow a Dino is not buffing it
abstract juniper
I might just be miss interpreting what you are saying but idk I don’t want to be rude
slender spindle
see this this shows off that people would be worried about this then the "giga buff" meme
abstract juniper
The main point of what I was trying to say in the suggestion is that growing a giga is a pain in the ass
slender spindle
it is and can be dealt with in different ways
like changing the growth timer for the stages
abstract juniper
I feel like you should not be a sub giga for 4 hours
slender spindle
its 3hrs and 10 mins
abstract juniper
No it is 3 hours and 40 minutes
slender spindle
the juvi is 3hrs and adult is 1hr
abstract juniper
220 minutes
abstract juniper
It takes 6 hours and 40 minutes to grow a rex and 6 hours and 50 minutes to grow a giga
normal river
for me im not worried about the growth time of Giga. its just that the sub stage is so weaker cuz of the slow move and turn speed.
slender spindle
where did you get this info?
slender spindle
removing the "growth spurts" and it'll be fine
abstract juniper
Growth spurts?
normal river
if they ever make Subgiga turn little faster that will do to make it the strongest sub. so it would be great to have giga as the strongest mid tier and Rex as the strongest adult apex
more motivation to play Giga
slender spindle
but it can already bayblade
normal river
and not just hide or camp with the walking potato
abstract juniper
Oh yeah that
slender spindle
meaning it is best sub besides sub rex
bc people main sub rex
but it is too slow
normal river
its not the best mid tier. it can be taken out my allos cuz of the slow speed and turn rate
slender spindle
sub giga will forever be shit bc its slower then the apexes
normal river
it cant catch anythin or escape anythin
abstract juniper
It is strange that when I was a sub giga at 99% growth I could barely take on 2 allos but as soon as I hit 100 I could take on 4 allos
normal river
just improve turn rate to make it the greatest mid tier may be! cuz anywayz gigas turn faster than rex
slender spindle
3,200kg and 455N what mid tier can contend with that
abstract juniper
Such
normal river
lol ya that stat high at 100 is so massive 😛
slender spindle
2,500kg ish and 180N at 99% i think and then bam max stats
3,200kg and 455N
look at that
the massive difference
slender spindle
allo getting a speed buff lol
gusty gyro
God no lmao
slender spindle
dondi has confirmed
gusty gyro
Haha
slender spindle
"allo is too slow"
gusty gyro
Dude allo is quick
slender spindle
no its not
gusty gyro
It's ambush is the greatest
slender spindle
1km/h faster then rex is not quick
normal river
Allo sprint is slower but ambush is fastest
gusty gyro
^
slender spindle
its current ambush should be its base run speed lol
normal river
that would make Allo OP
gusty gyro
Exactly
slender spindle
it was a joke DW
normal river
cerato needs some buff IMO compared to Allo
gusty gyro
^^^
abstract juniper
The allo needs a health,damage and size buff
slender spindle
i made a feedback about midtier speed
normal river
Cerato seems to have no space in his game except to much some uthas
gusty gyro
@abstract juniper no
slender spindle
it is maybe
abstract juniper
It should be able to go toe to toe with a suchomimus
gusty gyro
No???