Get a bite and the timer resets
#general-feedback-discussion
gentle blade
No one is attacking you, this is a discussion that has come up a lot. It gets discussed a lot.
spiral ravine
Private servers use "rules" and punishment systems to counter it
and it's sketchy
there's always a gray area
and admins can't be on 24/7
lilac swallow
You know i said 2 times a solution?
spiral ravine
then put it in suggestion
barren zephyr
it should be like you cant log safely if your at 10%-30% Hp but once your character heals it insta logs if you logged at the 10-30% hp mark
lilac swallow
I wont i dont really care about combat logging
Nah arci
If im bleeding i cant heal
barren zephyr
i care about combat logging cause you should play the game instead of logging if you see danger
lilac swallow
I did say a solution that doesnt force a character nor a player to keep in the server
Logout timer resets with each bite
Efective and not punishing
barren zephyr
having biting reset logout would be good for trolling ngl
gentle blade
least it keeps you from waiting an eternity to heal
lilac swallow
We could say it is needed to deal enought dmg in varios bites to keep someone
barren zephyr
how about having biting reset health at below 50% hp
cyan flame
Should just have kept the "finish the fight" style, and not make bleed lethal, that way you remove the "just waiting to die" aspect, while still allowing bleed to shave off plenty of health, and force limping as well, as it was supposed to be. But any idea that can "force" someone to stay in game can and will most likely be abused, so it's not a good solution. And if we're talking damage, then at some point there's no need, since the damage would be enough anyway even without a mechanic.
barren zephyr
thats seems like the best solution imo
cyan flame
Or just make healing bleed very fast, so you can't just max someones bleed and then wait for 20 min until the critter finally bleeds out, if needed just make bleed itself a bit more lethal in response, so it still has the effect of weakening someone efficiently, but removes the "I got enough bites, now it's just a matter of waiting" passive game
spiral ravine
ppl will always cite that sometimes they need to log because they "have something to do irl", making it almost impossible to implement any mechanism that prevents logging
barren zephyr
bleed is being reworked
we're talking about combat logging not how bleed should work
spiral ravine
as of rn, maybe having admins deal with it is the best way
cyan flame
And I'm saying the solution isnt about the logging but just how bleed works
spiral ravine
tho it does take a huge amount of time and manpower
cyan flame
Or rather, my solution to the "combat logging" is to work with how the combat/bleed works, rather than implement some sort of mechanic to prevent the logging itself
spiral ravine
guess in the foreseeable future combat logging will still be a thing
valid zephyr
I hope that they don't re add the bleeding out while sitting
winning the fight then just sitting for ages waiting to die sucks
pale prairie
i agree, it sucked.
but on the other hand, it made rexes think twice before charging at a trike/giga
stray cloak
Ambushes having different durations and speeds is part of balancing.
Sure a Utah and dilo have a quick ambush speed an can go for a while, but they walk extremely slow while charging their ambush and they have less weight to lug around/are 1 shot by most things
Compare that to a Rex or giga who lose very little speed when they charge ambush but are heavier and have a shorter lived burst while being able to face tank most attacks at least once and essentially ending the fight with their first attack
TL;DR not everyone is a cheetah. Some animals are short sprinters, and some are rush down endurance runners. Bush differences exist for a reason
prisma lily
ah yes, let us all become like pachy right now, and burst like a water balloon
steady cosmos
Anyone got opinions on my suggestion?
valid zephyr
I like it, though where does nuero fit in?
steady cosmos
Neuro is strange
I honestly think its worse than tisso
thats mainly the reason
but its strange how it comes about being a thing
umbral prairie
@azure arch I am pretty sure the only dinos that will be able to fish are suchos ans spinos
azure arch
Austros too. They got the swim buff thing.
azure arch
Still, how would fish catching work?
brittle bough
i do wonder how fishing will like, work though, since theres not been any elaboration on it past "there will be fish" as far as i'm aware. i would imagine that terrestrial dinosaurs being able to easily pluck fish out of the river would sort of dilute the special-ness of the designated fishers, so maybe fish will only be under the surface and only fisher dinosaurs will be able to dive down to get them, or they could be too fast for the swimming speed of land dinos?
azure arch
You bite it and if your dino touches it while biting it will catch it.
I think bigger fish should be deeper in the water
umbral prairie
there were 2 ideas the devs had for fishing, idk what one they want to use now
azure arch
while little snack fish that juvies can catch that fill up maybe the same amount of hunger as a velo remain at the top
brittle bough
that seems fair enough, yeah, shallows/surface having velo-quality fish with the meaty bois deeper down
umbral prairie
one was that you could just stand there or swim around and bite in a group of fish and with a chance you get one, the other was waiting and getting some sort of quick time event to catch the fish
umbral prairie
or maybe they're going for a different idea than one of those two, just gotta wait and see
brittle bough
nah
azure arch
What does the timer mean?
brittle bough
the timer generally just means "this is already planned or upcoming"
like if a dev's already confirmed it before or something
azure arch
Ohh ok
brittle bough
i doubt it would be a thing, at least anywhere near this point in time, but migrations of fish could be kinda neat
get a bunch of carnivores around a river trying to catch fish that are heading to their spawning ground, that sort of thing
grand brook
so like a salmon run, only instead of grizzlies you have suchos?
brittle bough
ye
grand brook
that's pretty cool
grand brook
Couple problems with that, one is that dinos in the Isle are not really dinos as in the creatures that lived millions of years ago rather they are recreations that are the closest thing to the original but not quite, that's why they are inaccurate. Two no animal can change integument, from feathers to scales is phisically impossible.
valid zephyr
err plenty of creatures lose hair of fluff as they get older.
the idea of somthing hatching fluffy and losing its fuzz as it grows is perfectly plausable
barren zephyr
Name four reptiles that are born with feathers
umbral prairie
it works with mammals, but I'm really not sure with dinosaurs
I don't know any bird that loses it's feathers as it grows
barren zephyr
(Or four birds that get scalie as they age : )
Why are you using real life as a reference for fantasy creatures?
torpid wedge
i mean baby birds lose down but thats about it
brittle bough
because muh accuracy
umbral prairie
I don't know why it would be physically impossible to change from feathers to scales though, since your skin dies and regenerates and could change in the process
yeah irl stuff doesn't really matter
barren zephyr
đ
brittle bough
no fun allowed, only perfectly accurate dinosaurs in this game with dinosaurs existing in the modern day with the bonus of super saiyan dinosaurs who live for about two minutes before immediately imploding from hunger
grand brook
@valid zephyr what they are suggesting is basically like having a lizard be born with fluff and later have scutes on it's body
umbral prairie
All things aside, I don't really like the idea of hatchling fluff that you lose while growing, but it would be cool for dinos that will hopefully get feathers (so utah, galli etc)
jovial moss
Dinosaurs are not lizards tho they're closer to birds more than anything
umbral prairie
birds are dinosaurs
jovial moss
I am aware
grand brook
correct, but it is to illustrate how it doesn't quite work
barren zephyr
17:10] ceil420: (Or four birds that get scalie as they age : )
Yeah I donât necessarily think itâs a good idea but âirl it wouldnât happenâ isnât a valid argument,
I donât like like it bc it seems like there is no purpose for it
jovial moss
It's a game that's one part fantasy and one part realism, it wouldn't hurt to make baby dinos cute and fluffy, just depends on the dino
If theri is added to survival good lord I hope the hatchlings are tiny little fluff bombs
barren zephyr
The fantasy is loosely based on historical creatures. If you were talking about a chocobo, it'd be a different argument
brittle bough
burrowing owls hatch with fluffy feet that then become naked meaty feet so theres that lol
barren zephyr
(Naked chocobos are a horrifying image, tho)
jovial moss
Yeah, but dinosaurs are known to have proto feathers, a lot of them are also inferred to have them based on their evolutionary relatives so it's not implausible
grand brook
fluffy theri chicks following a mother theri like murder ducklings
umbral prairie
I think these 'classes' (sorry I don't know the word) so reptiles, birds etc don't really work when combining them with evolution, since afaik both birds and reptiles are diapsids, and diapsids are classified as reptiles, so birds count as reptiles. I don't really know anything, I just read things on wikipedia.
valid zephyr
A lot of scientists think that certain dinos were born with fluff and lost it later on. Elephant babies are fluffy while adults have no fur
umbral prairie
it's different with fur
sick crescent
whats going on in debate discussion 2 today
jovial moss
feathers
umbral prairie
yeah probably
brittle bough
"dinosaurs cant have fluff as hatchlings and lose it later"
jovial moss
đŚ
brittle bough
thats the debate
valid zephyr
it's not physically impossible.
and no there arn't living examples as the entire line of dinosaurs died out apart from birds
jovial moss
I imagine dinos would lose their layer of down in their final baby molt, they just simply wouldn't have actual feathers ready to replace the down
brittle bough
again, fluffy feet into meaty naked feet. just push it a bit further with a touch of fantasy and youve got scales.
valid zephyr
@short bone I agree.
I know why they added the no mixing trike rule in theory.
They thought it would result in trike herds and separate other herbi herds.
In reality it ended up with herbis just played even less as they're walking burgers with no protection from the writing sea of apexes.
grand brook
owls are strange when it comes to tallon integument, and as you can see in the picture they loose some of the fluff but never all of it, what remains is the skin beneath, it doesn't turn into scales
short bone
^^^^
brittle bough
wowie its almost like i fuckin said add some fantasy
umbral prairie
trike rule would make sense if trike was stronger and if there were more herbis in general
short bone
Trikes cant rlly defend themselfs agains rexes, rexes are way more powerful so i feel like it should be alowed
brittle bough
with regards to trike, personally i think they did it to see the individual viability of trike. it shouldnt be unplayable on its own. if it is, theres an issue they need to observe and resolve; hard to do when its always, always mixherding
grave karma
sidenote: that pic of a baby bird makes its legs look like pipe cleaners
lilac swallow
I totally hate the trike rule, but having no protection against apex? All herbis outrun them including para, and allo with the same speed dont cry saying "ive got no protection against apex"
Trikes were the one needing the mixherbs, aside from para or diablo you have to be afk to die against apex
jovial moss
baby bird legs are in fact pipe cleaners
valid zephyr
it's not just apexes. i've been a solo para and seen a rex, 7 allos, 8 ceras, 4 utahs, and 3 carnos. In that time i've seen a single maia as another herbi.
barren zephyr
You know Iâm pro trike rule lmao
valid zephyr
it's almost impossable to nest as you get swamped before they're grown
trikes were the only thing making nesting that viable for other herbis
trikes arn't great tiehr considering a rex can just walk up and spam click to kill them
and they're too slow to flee
brittle bough
theres not a lot that can be done about the herbi/carni imbalance right now in any case. they need to see how trike and the rest of the herbis survive apart from each other if theyre gonna balance anything, imo. yall say you dont want to rely on a group, but you want them to balance everything on how they work in a group because thats the only way people play them?
barren zephyr
The fact that people say âtrikes canât survive on their ownâ whether true or not, is a testament to where they are in balance, changing the balance is a far superior solution than allowing death herds
valid zephyr
thing is people play carnis in huge groups too. 15 strong allo packs are common
sick crescent
so there is no "death squads" with camara
ahem
@north vector
"is a testament to where they are in balance"
barren zephyr
Ah but they arenât Mix packing Jenkins
valid zephyr
trikes don't make death herds either. if you're run down by a trike that's just impressive
sick crescent
but they have far less of a weakness than herbis davis
compared to para
allo is basically flawless
barren zephyr
Not if ur forced to sit for bless
Bleed*
Again balance is the solution not mixpacking
jovial moss
Mixpacking is just a temporary solution to the current power imbalance between herbs and carns
umbral prairie
I just hope locational and collision will buff trike
valid zephyr
irl herbis mix. it should be allowed in game
umbral prairie
then the rule would make more sense
brittle bough
jenkens, refer to what i said earlier.
barren zephyr
Balancing them would be a permanent solution and would take just as little effort
umbral prairie
they mix irl, but they don't defend each other usually. Also irl doesn't matter
because game
barren zephyr
mUh FaNtAsY
valid zephyr
irl carnis don't wipe entire herds for fun
barren zephyr
We can balance just bc the game is going to change doesnât mean we canât fix it for now
brittle bough
maybe after trike is balanced, theyll be able to mix herd again. who knows. but its hard to gauge a dinosaurs viability as an individual when they have maias, dryos, paras, and every other thing as backup.
barren zephyr
Dolphins kill for fun đ
brittle bough
and gauging a dinosaurs viability is important when balancing it
north vector
barren zephyr
Balance the individual creature, donât patch it up by allowing other creatures to balance said creature bc said creature is not properly balanced
valid zephyr
there is clearly a huge viability difference between herbis and carnis right now. In 2017 when I joined half the map was herbis and there were huge herds. Now I often go entire play sessions without seeing another herbi. I see more rexes than all herbis combined.
brittle bough
then thats an issue. the fact that neither the rest of the herbis nor trike is apparently playable when not allowed to mixherd is an issue. an issue related to balancing across the board.
valid zephyr
I think a large part of the problem isn't the herbis themselves, but how easy it is to afk grow apex carnis
brittle bough
its almost like theyre going to be working on rebalancing and reworking combat.
that as well. everything is skewed currently
barren zephyr
They are playable, they just should be made more viable for solo play
jovial moss
Tried to grow a Pachy the other night to test the climate of the server, went to a secluded spot and was immediately spotted by an AFK growing giga, so there's that
valid zephyr
actual dino vs dino balance is in a good state compared to some patches right now
its the ease of finding AI which is the issue
brittle bough
exactly, which means theres not a lot to discuss because muh rework is gonna change everything lol
jovial moss
Baby herbs have to trek miles from the beach to find food, baby carns have it uber'd to their face
sick crescent
okay
barren zephyr
Yeah Iâm getting a bit annoyed with âitâs gonna changeâ excuse, the game is constantly changing thatâs not a reason to leave things unbalanced
cyan flame
That's a new one I think Azure.. :p
valid zephyr
also the combat rework isn't going to help imo. the issue isn't balance in direct combat
it's the balance in finding food
barren zephyr
Well ya thatâs basically what Iâm saying azure, itâs not a good fix for anything
Mixpacking I mean
brittle bough
I meant rework as in everything. AI, combat, etc.
cyan flame
Anyway, nothing should "mixpack" like that, not carnis, not herbis, and as Slate pointed out, if something needs something else just to survive, how is that balanced. Am I then dead cause I can't find someone else of that kind that is willing to keep me around?
barren zephyr
Exactly my point
cyan flame
Both solo as an individual and solo as a species yes
brittle bough
why, jenkens. how does that benefit the longterm development of the game.
umbral prairie
right now they should
brittle bough
how will letting trikes mixpack show off the faults in their solo viability.
barren zephyr
It wonât itâs a superficial fix
brittle bough
as well as the other herbis viability since people say herds are wiped out without trike protectors
cyan flame
But mixing should be more of a naturally happening thing in areas where it suits cause of food, migration routes, following a river perhaps, not because "herbis should be together", and mixing does not equal "help the poor dryo from the evil utah".. xD
valid zephyr
a massive part of the herbi experience is social based rather than action based like carnis. I play herbi as it's fun to chill and chat with other players
over the years this game has been out herbis have got less and less social
and so there is less reason to pick them over carnis
cyan flame
I'm not sure herbis should be social like that, then we get the risk of faction vs faction thinking again
brittle bough
youve not answered me, jenkens
barren zephyr
Ok but itâll never get properly balanced if it continues that way Jenkins
jovial moss
Herbivores should be allowed to mingle with each other, though mega death herds shouldn't be a thing once things are more balanced
cyan flame
Herbis already are more social, at the end of the day, you're not liable to eat your friend.. :p
valid zephyr
back in 2017 we could all group chat. most of the herbi players i played with left after that got removed.
brittle bough
so what youre saying is trike should remain unbalanced because you wanna be able to chill with people.
valid zephyr
I'm not sure what you're asking
barren zephyr
Well that doesnât change the fact that itâs a nightmare for balance
brittle bough
i asked how would letting trikes mixherd help the devs balance it based on solo viability.
valid zephyr
there are plenty of players that walk round solo even though mixing is allowed
sick crescent
they might change trike rule again
jovial moss
I don't think it's hard to figure out where trike is balance wise... you play solo and you're dead meat, or you get so bored that you jump off a cliff
valid zephyr
90% of para life is solo, and they're allowed to mix
you can easily judge how somthing does solo even if it is allowed to mix
also tons of people will jump to carni in a few patches time hoping to get a strain, even if it is near impossable. herbis need somthing to encourage people to play them
barren zephyr
Maybe thatâs true, but allowing mixpacking packing is detrimental to the gameâs balance itself, things shouldnât rely on other things to make themselves viable
brittle bough
still, the trike is an apex. its balance matters quite a lot. they need a more accurate gauge of its viability than some people play solo trike sometimes, a portion of which probably only do so because they havent found a herd yet
it also muddles the balance of other herbis; again, theres a crowd of people who say herds are wiped out too easily without trikes to protect them, so that needs to be accounted for.
theres also the possibiltiy for other reasons, maybe adult trikes are aggressive towards non-trikes and affinity will discourage them from mingling later.
barren zephyr
Allowing herbis to have the admin commands would incentivize them to play herbi as well, that doesnât mean it should happen tho
barren zephyr
How so?
valid zephyr
I just feel a huge draw of herbis to people is walking round in these big mixed herds. It's one of the things which got me into the game.
night mountain
same mixed herb herds are the most fun part
valid zephyr
If herbis can't mix, there is nothing they have over carnis which everyone finds cooler.
valid zephyr
And so everyone will pick carni.
jovial moss
Plus seperating trikes from mother herbs right now isn't going to give them feedback because no one plays herb anymore
barren zephyr
Again, herbis shouldnt be allowed to break balance so people will play them, balance is a far better solution
jovial moss
or at least, most have stopped
so you can't get reliable data from like, two trikes
in a sea of 50 rexes
valid zephyr
I doubt making trikes 10% more viable so they trade evenly with rex will suddnly make the servers 50% herbi like back in 2017
night mountain
Honestly i'd be okay with them making server slots work so only half of everyone in can be carnivore at any given time
jovial moss
That would be healthy for the eco but people would complain
valid zephyr
No one can deny there is a massive player imbalance issue between them at the moment.
night mountain
obv make it so other people can change it on pricate servers
jovial moss
Utah main, probably: I can't be muh indoraptor? making me play diablo? reeeee
barren zephyr
True but incentives shouldnât be at the expense of balance
night mountain
but a straight server limit would be the immediate way to fix it
jovial moss
mix packing for herbs was one of the things to keep a lot of players interested in playing while waiting for the recode
they can't balance anything until its out
so saying they separated them for balance issues is wrong, it's because carnivore players complained
valid zephyr
I suspect if you remove all herbi mixing, the 5/100 herbi players left will go to 0 very fast
hell the remaining herd is usually 1 dibble, 1 maia, and 1 galli
barren zephyr
They could balance it they talked about balance changes during the wait but they just havenât done them
jovial moss
or just 5 gallis or maias since they are the most likely to survive at this point
valid zephyr
pure balance won't help though. if para and allo were 100% equal in everything, then 99% of people will pick allo as it's cooler
herbis need somthing which makes them different
jovial moss
like shorter growth times
night mountain
Seriously its wild how into killing shit carnivore players are but then when someone does the exact same thing to them they go whining and screaming to the devs
jovial moss
^^
mental sleet
Calm your bias tentacle.
barren zephyr
^
brittle bough
i mean, they do tho lol
night mountain
I mostly play carni lol
mental sleet
both factions whine constantly.
night mountain
i just don't shit myself if a herb kills me
brittle bough
yeeah but carnis are just a bit sillier
barren zephyr
They are equally silly
brittle bough
giga murders everything in sight but fails to kill a rex, rex needs noif
rex tries to facetank a trike and fucks up and dies, trike needs noerf
valid zephyr
we had 3 gigas camping dryo hatchlings to wipe them. today allos killed my adult para, then ignored the body to find the hatchlings and kill them
yet 1 maia runs down a dilo and it's toxic herbis
jovial moss
Herbs have a reason to complain though, herbs are underpowered across the board
except maybe diablo
diablo is good
mental sleet
and maia
brittle bough
i think carnis are so excited to murder herbis because theyre so rare, theyre like "oh my god a herbi!! i can like, hunt!!"
valid zephyr
herbs stats arn't underpowered atm
mental sleet
and dryo.
jovial moss
underpowered viability wise
mental sleet
Oh and Galli, Galli's also decent.
valid zephyr
I think carnis are almost exclusivly hunting carnis right now
barren zephyr
Decent oh please
brittle bough
yeah basically lmao
barren zephyr
Lol
jovial moss
lol
barren zephyr
Galli is God
brittle bough
but im really hoping for decreased grow times on herbis, death is unavoidably a part of herbi life- if they could recover from it more quickly then i feel like theyd be more popular
as i mentioned before, games where death is commonplace usually have ways to make it more bearable; still punishing, but not so frustrating that you just give up entirely and play something else
valid zephyr
in prog they took way less prog points
brittle bough
yeah, thats what made them appealing in prog
jovial moss
man I miss prog
valid zephyr
my main worry is that if trike gets reduced to 3 hours for example, they will half its health and damage
jovial moss
a diverse ecosystem
valid zephyr
In prog we had proper ecosystems
brittle bough
trike is an apex, i can accept it being at 5h, maybe push it to 4
when i talk about shorter grow times i mean with not having stats cut as well lol
cyan flame
Eh, sort of.. it wasn't perfect back then either :p
Problem I see Slate, shorter times, same power, and you get more herbis hunting down carnis?
brittle bough
i really dont see many herbis hunting down carnis lol, but maybe im just lucky
besides, wont affinity discourage herbis hunting carnis needlessly
jovial skiff
I'd rather have 5 trikes
brittle bough
ive been hunted by a herbi about two or three times total, and hunted down carnis twice- who were actively trying to hunt me first, so ehhn i could just be lucky and not seeing the massive death herds who chase down a juvi giga's jelly legs
valid zephyr
I think maias are one of the main culprits for being agressive. they see a utah or dilo within 2 miles they will hunt it down
then again carnis do the same even if they have full food
jovial moss
Maia is probably going to get a speed nerf eventually
brittle bough
that would make me sad
valid zephyr
maia should be between 40 and 42 kph imo.
slow enough to not run down utah, fast enough to flee allo
brittle bough
id take shittier turning than carno over it getting its legs weakened, me like Legg
but ehh yeah, i could see them being the same as or one slower than utah
it is silly how they can outrun and murder utahs lol
i had made a maia suggestion a while back that proposed their attack be much weaker when sprinting, so that could give an ootah a chance to get away at least
valid zephyr
I think stego being added might help herbis, even if it shares trikes rules. A lot of people just get bored of trike and have no other options.
brittle bough
(dibbleeee)
valid zephyr
A second herbi apex will probs get some playing again.
barren zephyr
True utahs are suppose to be pretty fast
cyan flame
?
brittle bough
stego will certainly be an interesting addition if its sandbox form is anything to go by
something carnivores cant assride, dear god....
valid zephyr
need to headride?
brittle bough
same goes for anky, bonus points with bb
valid zephyr
What is going to be amusing is the month it is added. Even pachy was played by half the server for a month or so when it got added.
Half the server playing stego for a few weeks will be chaos
brittle bough
god lmao
valid zephyr
I remember the 40 strong pachy herds
and there was no fall damage so they all lept off cliff while migrating
waterfalls made of pachys
jovial moss
I once nested like 10 pachys on official... I was such a proud mother
pulsar lake
Trike was not a real protecion
It was a meat shield
When you were a para and see a trike you go to the trike to make him dead
valid zephyr
nested 4 pachys last week. 1 dilo killed us in the dark.
ignored the bodies to keep killing
pulsar lake
After I prefer trike like that, only trike herd is beautiful to see.
jovial moss
yep, soudns about right
valid zephyr
pachy and cera are high pressure blood bags atm
pulsar lake
He is dumb
jovial moss
lol yup
pulsar lake
Because he have bleed
jovial moss
that's why I proposed a pachy rework in suggestions, tired of being a blood bag
brittle bough
i think the best part of the rework is gonna be balance discussions not being pointless lol
jovial moss
Suggestions now can still be kept in mind for future reference tho đ not entirely useless, maybe the stats will change but the idea is still there
brittle bough
the ideas are based on ones we know are gonna change though, so they could be largely invalidated
valid zephyr
@weak hill suicide is hard enough as it is. falling is the only easy way left
jovial moss
suicide is easy as a pachy, swim for 10 seconds and you're dead
brittle bough
imo effort in suggestions is better put towards mechanics that arent reliant on current stats
valid zephyr
honestly i think the discord is just gradually going nuts with lack of input atm
we're going in circles
jovial moss
yeah
brittle bough
hey rex vs giga needs rebalancing
valid zephyr
and as it's mid recode nothing will change
brittle bough
hEy wE ShoUld haVe wAtEr meChanIcs
barren zephyr
@weak hill I like the idea because if your a player and you stumble across someone who is badly injured your going to take advantage. Which happens in the wild
brittle bough
i think longer bb with less raw damage wouldnt be as bad if it had stages of damage (fractured -> broken) that crippled you more or less
maybe just being fractured didnt make you limp but reduced your speed a bit, while broken does what it does now and takes something more significant than a 2ft fall
id take being gently crippled a bit longer over being shattered and nearly dead because i stubbed my toe
weak hill
@barren zephyr Yeah pretty much. I figure that it should be more of a risk of vulnerability than just a straight up "You done died" kinda thing. Besides, if I die I would rather learn something from the death than just "terrain bad don't touch" as a dibble. If I die from starvation or dehydration, that would be fine by me bc I should have done better. Learn the map, etc. If I die to another dino, should know my matchups or just paly better. If I die from falling, what do I get? Not a ton really. I'd rather just suffer from a serious bone break than just...ded
barren zephyr
Gotcha
violet magnet
@lilac swallow
re: biting the target resets the logout timer
dryos or utahs running in and biting something that's logging, gallis kicking, they do practically no damage to rex giga or trike but they could keep the rex giga or trike there indefinitely
single utah runs in and bites a rex that's trying to log, rex can't bite while in the standing up animation and can't get up fast enough to get the utah, utah barks its head off to draw bigger things in to kill the rex
neat flicker
@odd coral Posts in #401481402782056460 containing things such as 'nerf x' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix or weigh balance changes.
odd coral
lilac swallow
@violet magnet thats why i later said that It could be made that you need to deal enought dmg in a determined time before reseting
barren zephyr
Most dinosaurs' feet look broken when walking/runing and they're overall ugly in my opinion. My suggestion is to change how they're animated.
Change my mind
barren zephyr
Why would we wanna change your mind
neat flicker
@barren zephyr When you post a suggestion, please try to add substance to it to give the development team a direction to lean towards. Simply saying fix this or make this better isnât allowed and doesnât contribute to the team, thank you âşď¸
paper oriole
Galli "decent agility"?
Galli is agility master
Dryo could use better agility itself tho
lilac swallow
Even as utah main feels unfair hunting dryos that cant run nor outurn me even if they grow in only 30 min
paper oriole
No reason not to give dryo more agility, just dont nerf galli for it
valid zephyr
@night mountain galli is tiny in game. It's crazy
valid zephyr
i've seen pics of it being taller than carno
civic sky
@valid flower while I do agree that galli was undoubtedly faster galli actually can easily escape a carno in game, carno also lacks an ambush mechanic and has to âaccelerateâ to reach his full speed. Galli has incredible run-turning compared to the truck that is carno and letâs be honest galli, or more specifically a very aware galli, has little to worry about and can literally laugh at any carnivore trying to hunt it. It needs at least one carnivore who can hunt it even out in the open however itâs not impossible to escape carno either, itâs actually fairly easy.
umbral prairie
^
barren zephyr
Those are facts above lol
valid flower
@civic sky Yeah true, I deleted my suggestion
civic sky
No itâs fine đđ
Like I said, I do agree that the real thing was much faster in fact carno would probably die of exhaustion even trying lol. But in game it seems to be fairly balanced between the two.
torpid wedge
@violet magnet you dont need to sit down before logging out, could just stand or crouch so you can alt turn and kill the utah
stray cloak
Assuming herra keeps it's speed, they may be the galli hunters
barren zephyr
Yea galli is really good man and does not need to be touched except for its size
lilac swallow
Doubt herrera becomes a galli hunter, is dryo sized
formal vine
Herra can be a quick to grow carni like dryo is
subtle adder
Mhm
valid zephyr
@open fable i'm picturing an entire pack of dilos all with their call pitch at the highest it can go screeching like hyeenas in the dark
it's horrifying
open fable
That's why I think having it would make more difference in dinos and yes horrifying 
Another thing is that I think having like a Spoon for example once added it will obs get a tlc but the screaming won't sound like it's... screaming like a girl in the middle of the night
barren zephyr
U know that one movie avatar with the blue people.
I think there should be a type h ptaradon and make it look like the weird flying things that have four wings from the movie.
That is my opinion
@barren zephyr thatâs a really cool idea
Iâm trying to get someone in fan art to help me draw out my idea
neat flicker
@brittle merlin Please use this section to discuss suggestions instead of using the suggestions tab, thank you đ
@barren zephyr Hey, if you make a suggestion, please add substance to the post as to why you think it should be added, and propose the possible mechanics and balances for it. Unfortunately writing "add x" only isn't permissible, it would help the development team to add some good ways to make it and basically make it so amazing sounding, it'd be hard for them to say no
brittle merlin
valid zephyr
not a fan of having iggy. seems like a larger maia
para fills the larger hadrosaur role
blazing charm
@coarse rapids
barren zephyr
@fading shadow Iguanodon is much more like para
with thumb shanks
it would be pretty interesting
Oh nevermind
fading shadow
I think you mean
barren zephyr
that suggestion is flawed
fading shadow
Maia but sharp
blazing charm
Dinosaurs need an explanation as to why they should be added to survival, mechanics or unique features about the animal. Being "chonk" doesn't help.
fading shadow
barren zephyr
blazing charm
To me, Iguanodon's purpose seems like it could be filled by Theri
steady cosmos
Stance brawler
blazing charm
Something that has the option of running away, but also can stand its ground.
coarse rapids
barren zephyr
Theri needs some bleed slapped on it
torn thistle
Yeah. What mechanics it could have, how it would be different from dinosaurs already in Survival or potentially being added to Survival / bring to the game as a whole, that kind of thing.
steady cosmos
Stance brawler thats good at taking mid tiers on
theri is more of an apex
thats all I can think of rn
torn thistle
And Theri definitely doesn't need bleed with how powerful it is currently.
Though I'm gonna emphasis "currently" if it ever gets added to Survival and its damage is toned down.
neat flicker
Basically make your point to the dev team as to why it should be implemented to the game with substance. Voice your point and bring your A-game so that it makes it hard for them to say no
blazing charm
My main concern with Iguano is mostly about it invalidating Maiasaura or Parasauralophus. While I initially loved the idea of having Iguanodon being the more defense oriented hadrosaur (I know it has it's own family, I don't care) while Maia could be made into more of a flight animal, that potentially leaves Para unviable as both Iguano and Para are roughyly the same size.
torn thistle
Just saying "add [x] creature because it's cool and I like it" tends to be disliked instantly.
It's why fleshed out suggestions for new creatures tend to be well received, least by the community.
blazing charm
But then again, with different mechanics, diets and stats. Both creatures could be viable.
steady cosmos
Iguanodon could be pretty much the middle stander when it comes to para and maia
idk if i worded that well
Sits in between them
blazing charm
Iguanodon had multiple sub-species, right?
barren zephyr
saying it should be added because its "fat" isnt really a reason
You are just saying what you think it is
torn thistle
I think so, Jaffad
blazing charm
Well, if Iguadon were to be implemented. Which one would you use?
I'm asking mostly because of size differences.
steady cosmos
one thats larger than maia
blazing charm
I had a few, dropped the idea because I wasn't too confident about it. But I think I might have a crack at it.
barren zephyr
How about ouranosaurus, maybe something can be made with its sail and it still has a thumb spike i belive.
blazing charm
Ourano's already on my list
barren zephyr
oh
well i think its a good option has a iguanodontid
i mean i say sail but it could have been a hump
i dont know
oh sweet
but if iguanodon was added it would probably be a brawler that deals bleed with its spikes
shanks
also Tenontosaurus could serve as another 'small' dino along with dryo, gallie and pachy
i think its an iguanodontid
anyway
blazing charm
Personally Tenonto would probably work best as AI
Other than a possible tailwhip mechanic, doesn't have much going for it imo
barren zephyr
isint it large enought thought
blazing charm
Doesn't seem large enough to properly defend itself from a pack of raptors even, not even sure how fast you'd make it.
blazing charm
Like, I wanted to make a suggestion for it but I talked it over with my usual proof reading crew and they all kinda agreed that it was too small for what I was proposing.
Pachy has a big dome head that it rams stuff with.
barren zephyr
it could run and atack at the sametime from behind
blazing charm
All Tenonto has is a really long tail to whip stuff, other than that it's just a big quadrupedal dryo.
barren zephyr
i mean it might be able to blurr youre vision and deafen sound with a tail wilp
blazing charm
That's what I was considering, but then I considered how that'd just be a warped version of what Stergosaurus is supposed to be, and i've been trying to cut down on the number of playables I suggest because of how bloated the roster has already become.
barren zephyr
i just think that we could have more small herbivores
that are distinct
but yeah i get ur point, nobody wants to play a weaker stego/anky that is frail
isn't tenontosaurus deinonychus food?
blazing charm
It's moreso a case of Tenonto being a hybrid of a few different playstyles, but those playstyles excell at what they do better.
blazing charm
Something like Galli or Maia could flee danger much better than Tenoto-
That's such a bloated example but okay.
viral creek
Did I hear somebody smack talk pachy
barren zephyr
maybe tenon could be a AI
yeah like a bigger ai
I may have an idea to make it work but it'd need to have an "undergrowth" system where it'd hide in the danser forests to avoid allos and rexes
i was thinking of it having a sonic boom
and that'd be too limiting
heh, that sounds like a diplodocus thing
well sauroipods arew not likely
from waht i haerd
really hopping they get in
same
but yeah, have tenontosaurus being the biggest herb in the undergrowth
and being able to slip in way easier than other herbs
@barren zephyr NIGER
NIGERSAURUS
blazing charm
Why not have ALL Herbivores be able to take advantage of the grazing mechanic?
barren zephyr
YOU FOUL
edgy furnace
might wanna remove that extra g
brittle ivy
Hm
barren zephyr
I recommend you not to use Prehistoric-Wildlife for paleontology information as it includes highly outdated information and ridiculous Silhouette
I sent him a mp and he's not answering
brittle ivy
Itâs gone now
brittle ivy
They can resubmit without the slip up
brittle ivy
If youâd like to resubmit verbatim (with the spellcheck of course) I have a screenshot you can use @barren zephyr
So you donât have to rewrite it all
barren zephyr
naw i think we were getting offtopic alredy, but thank you aniway
brittle ivy
Alright
barren zephyr
Sky is an absolute bro
yeah
back to iguanodon talks, what about muttaburasaurus
could it work
it's a maia para hybrid
maia size with lotsa sounds
hmm yeah, could we snezze as an attack
no
good that would be gross
but in terms of playstyle maybe theres no room for iguanodon
well
he'd basically be a para that fights back more often
and can cause bleed
but isint dondi fousing on species that apear on jurrasic park
I have no idea about that
there's a pattern, sure
but
i mean most are there
sounds weird to me
Giga isn't
but then again, Giga is a mess
yeah true
grand brook
and well diabloceratops is not in the JP canon afk
barren zephyr
and maia/dryo too now that i think about it
still temple
barren zephyr
guys
suggestions
get into some brainstorming
well i posted mine doesent seem too terrible
heeeh
valid zephyr
@barren zephyr You do realise Tapwing is a developer right?
paper oriole
What i wish is their herbi strains would be used :_:
Obvs their carni strains already are
patent oar
And the concepts are old
valid zephyr
Herbis don't need strains as a long term goal, but they do need a long term goal
paper oriole
Their long term goal as it seems now is to die to one of the empowered carnis lol
Even if the herbi strains turned carnivorous it'd be better than the nothing that seems to be in their future now
barren zephyr
well arent the elders basicly that , a magna version of the herbivores
valid zephyr
all we've heard about magna rex is vague rumours that it isn't a strain and is natures reaction to strains.
if that is true then maybe herbi magnas is possable
magna dryo is perfection in all ways...
brittle bough
(nonspecific gesture to guardian suggestion)
valid zephyr
yeah elders or guardians as you called them would also be a good option
blazing charm
@wild rose
barren zephyr
tell us why
wild rose
no thanks
blazing charm
However, I would reccomend expanding on the..report.
Hitboxes are an issue that will be addressed in the recode, so all I can really say is wait.
ebon trout
Reducing growth will not stop people from afk growing....Maybe making more dinos fun to grow would help, but simply reducing the time isnt going to help, people will still afk grow just for shorter periods. The hunger and thirst could be adjusted though i do like that part of your suggestion
violet magnet
which guy
the guy complaining about the trike murder squads?
don't see any mention of nerfs or buffs in the comment...
spiral pond
I too find it frustrating when 3 gigas are chasing me across the whole goddamn V3 as dilo
ebon trout
Raising the apex limit is definitely an indirect buff, just like taking herds from trikes was an indirect nerf
And a giga walking by a trike is plenty of reason to attack it....I mean come on now how can you expect trikes to just let you walk next to them?
crimson phoenix
anyone else think the rex's stats are too good? I mean it's faster than a giga (sprint/ambush) has more health than weight, has bone break and the highest HP regen in the game. I wanted to post this here to see if i'm just a rex hater of if others think the rex needs to be toned down
brittle bough
rex is pretty balanced, the most busted thing about it is its bb, which will be changed anyway
it does have good sprint/ambush speed but absolute shit stamina that it has to sit down to regen; its meant to be an ambush predator, so that makes sense
as long as you remain aware of your surroundings and see it before it can get in ambush range, chances are youre safe from it
ebon trout
Rex is balanced other then the shitbox
ebon trout
agreed
Ive killed an absurd amount of rexes on gigas...You just have to play to your strengths and not try to face tank the thing
brittle bough
and dont get bb'd like immediately lul
crimson phoenix
I keep hearing that it has bad stam, but I saw one chase a giga down sprinting for about 20 seconds
ebon trout
Tactic goes like this....BITE it without being bit (Not that hard to do) and then walk around it for 10 minutes while it bleeds to last screen...Then you walk in and face tank it to death
brittle bough
are you sure it wasnt a sub rex?
crimson phoenix
it was an adult
ebon trout
A rex can not chase down a giga unless the giga got very very close...rexes ambush is like maybe 5 seconds
and it does not regen stam unless sitting
crimson phoenix
to me stam not regening isn't a downside unless you need it to attack
crimson phoenix
but rex will prob feel less strong when they change the BB
brittle bough
well considering rex can be out-run by just about all things if its trotting
ebon trout
It does 100% need it to attack
2-3 allos beat a rex. 2-3 dilos beat a rex 2-3 dibbles beat a rex...I mean how weak do you want it?
brittle bough
the bb is the dumbest thing currently lol, ive lost too many things to getting bit on the last pixel of me tail and shattering both shins
ebon trout
The shitbox is what gets me,. the amount of times ive died 15 feet from a rex is crazy....(Only desync in some situations, 5+ people seeing the same thing doesnt feel like desync)
But thats a bug not a mechanic
crimson phoenix
im gonna call bs on your numbers Dumpster, My dilo pack of 8 lost 4 members to a rex with it hitting us on its tail
brittle bough
yeeaah shitbox
brittle bough
the numbers are more in the circumstance of not shitbox lol
ebon trout
And if 4 of you died that way yall were doing it very very wrong :d
crimson phoenix
we were all right under it's tail is that wrong?
ebon trout
And exactly the numbers are more in situations where shitbox dont screw you...You cannot balance based on a bug
Its crazy to say hey the shitbox kills people so lets nerf the rex....Just let them fix it
brittle bough
aye, it is annoying but ehhn
in any case, you could hop on an adult rex in sandbox and get a feel for its stamina yourself
ebon trout
Also on a dilo if you dont give it your left side you wont get shitboxed nearly as much....For some reason turning certain angles makes your hitbox bigger on the left side..... I say this from experience and lots of testing take it how you will i get its anecdotal
crimson phoenix
ive played rex and the only time ive felt it's stam was bad was trying to get from point A to B while sprinting
brittle bough
you've tried ambushing prey?
ebon trout
And your telling me you caught anything without ambushing?
Killing apexes is about all i do in this game anymore, rex is the easiest apex to kill barring the hitboxes
crimson phoenix
yea ive tried ambushing and not ambushing both way bodies go down
and yea rex is easier for smaller things to kill
brittle bough
hum, im intrigued by your strategy then
ebon trout
I don't believe you lol only way to catch something on a rex without using ambush is them being bad and somehow having no idea your there
crimson phoenix
what do you define as good?
ebon trout
or getting stuck on a stupid rock/tree
Someone who pays attention to their surroundings even. Dont need to be good to escape a rex, just have a pulse and your good đ
brittle bough
someone who isn't me cause once i was tabbed out on my resting giga and looked back to see two ass rexes ambushing towards me lul
brittle bough
I lived though lmao
ebon trout
My point proven đ
I cant think of anything a rex can "chase down"
besides juvies of course
brittle bough
their issue was they started ambushing way off so I heard their chunky ass footsteps early enough to get up and start sprinting
ebon trout
Honestly tho desecration not tryin to bash you... I think its more of an experience issue, you will see with time đ
crimson phoenix
I still don't think rexes regen is fit for it tho, seems really out of place for it to have 3 times that of other apexes
ebon trout
huh? it doesnt regen unless sitting
barren zephyr
Rex stam is godawful : (
ebon trout
Like rex stam is the worst thing about it...Im confused on what you mean
crimson phoenix
it like all other dinos regens while walking, standing and sitting (this is health not stam)
ebon trout
so your saying health regen is to much?
barren zephyr
crimson phoenix
yea, thats my main issue besides it's shitbox (which we all agree on)
ebon trout
I dont see how its health regen affects it being able to chase down things....Am i missing something here? I am very confused lol
ebon trout
Its the king of the jungle
barren zephyr
All the hitboxes in this game are a crime against video gaming -.-
crimson phoenix
you made this about stam
barren zephyr
lol
brittle bough
i mean.. it's.. a rex lol
barren zephyr
rex is an apex for a reason
brittle bough
they're kinda meant to be strong
ebon trout
DesecrationToday at 12:48 AM
I keep hearing that it has bad stam, but I saw one chase a giga down sprinting for about 20 seconds
you did actually
barren zephyr
it takes what, 7 hours to get to those stats?
crimson phoenix
that was after you started talking about it's stam you literal dumpster fire
brittle bough
i mentioned it's biggest drawback was it's stam
barren zephyr
đ
crimson phoenix
and by 'you' i mean one of you I dont remember which
ebon trout
DesecrationToday at 12:44 AM
anyone else think the rex's stats are too good? I mean it's faster than a giga (sprint/ambush) has more health than weight, has bone break and the highest HP regen in the game. I wanted to post this here to see if i'm just a rex hater of if others think the rex needs to be toned down
this is before i mentioned anything...that statement is why stam got brought up
brittle bough
crimson phoenix
im try and say this slowly for you
crimson phoenix
after you guys talked to me about it's stam that was no longer an issue for me, now im trying to get your opinions on it's other stats
barren zephyr
The classic apex predator in the game is stronger than other dinos, waa
ebon trout
Im tryin to be nice....Even stated we aren't trying to bash you...Talking shit to me does not validate your claim sorry but it just doesnt
crimson phoenix
im not trying to talk shit to you
barren zephyr
My only issue with Rex is its hitbox, which I see as a bug rather than a feature of the dino
Calling someone a "literal dumpster fire", regardless of their discord handle, is pretty shit-talky
ebon trout
Ok, lets go to health regen...What makes it to strong? Are there any examples that come to mind to help validate this claim?
crimson phoenix
it can get it's ass kicked and come back 3 times faster than the other apexs
barren zephyr
I know rexes heal bleed s l o o o w w w w a s f u u u u c c c k k k k k
ebon trout
I think thats wrong...If i remember correctly rex and trikes have the same health regen
barren zephyr
(but i main dilo, so my standards are high)
ebon trout
Let me look it up real fast
crimson phoenix
I didn't know about it's bleed heal being slow so thats good to know
also the wiki says the rex heals the same as the trike when it's walking, the trike gets 300 sitting and the rex gets 300 walking
brittle bough
ehh wikis can be.. wonky at times
barren zephyr
wiki does show rex healing like twice as fast as trike, per action
ebon trout
Im tryin to find the google doc that they have
brittle bough
there was some sheet with the accurate stats and information, I've not got ahold of it though
crimson phoenix
from what ive seen, rexes heal way faster than other apexs, so im inclined to believe the wiki
tepid light
Wiki is fan made and thus could have mistakes in it, keep that in mind
barren zephyr
Yeah, I'm always careful to state I'm quoting the wiki when I do for that reason
ebon trout
That's the one ceil i mistakenly thought it had heal times
ebon trout
They also correct some things on the wiki....So lets say your right (i cannot disprove it so lets go with it) Do you not think the dino that takes the longest to grow and literally cant run from anything shouldnt have better stats in other areas?
tepid light
every stats sheets you'll see is fan made, you're really better off making your own test to make sure they giving the right info
ebon trout
Skill vs skill giga is stronger then rex IMO
crimson phoenix
yea i agree with you there dumpster
ebon trout
Its not even debatable that the gig is better as an all around dino
brittle bough
giga is to rex as dilo is to ootah lul
ebon trout
I guess its the things your saying are overpowered that makes me hesitant to agree....If you said rexes bone break needs toned down i may be able to get behind ya on that
But atm skill to skill i think its very balanced
crimson phoenix
I dont feel it's balanced on a skill to skill level
one bite from a rex can end any players life reguardless of skill
ebon trout
You mean if it gets the first bite?
crimson phoenix
I dont mean the first bite I mean if it gets BB
ebon trout
On the first bite? or at anytime?
If rex doesnt bone break on first bite they are in some trouble in alot of situations
barren zephyr
One rex bite tends to end my life. Hazards of playing the dilo masterrace : (
crimson phoenix
anytime, (except if the rex is litterally about to keel over dead)
brittle bough
not always, if you've got a pal they may be able to take the rex down before you die if you get bb'd mid fight
ebon trout
I cant agree with that...Ive killed to many rexes i just do as i said...Bite them once walk around them for 10 minutes then facetank them...... If you get ambushed by a rex unknowingly yes you are probably dead...but you should be at that point ya? do we agree with that at least?
crimson phoenix
I still don't understand that Dumpster, you mean a giga bite it once and come back ten minutes later?
ebon trout
No walk around it for 10 minutes letting it bleed...It cant catch you so you can easily keep it from sitting for 10 min
brittle bough
bleed them out is what dumpster means lol
crimson phoenix
yea i get that slate
ebon trout
But do you agree if a rex catches and ambushes you and gets a bite you should be dead?
crimson phoenix
yea
ebon trout
Ok, im just tryin to understand your thought process thought maybe we just disagreed on what the rex should be
crimson phoenix
Rex should be an ambusher/bully
ebon trout
agreed
crimson phoenix
still, feels real bad when you get BB or shitboxed
brittle bough
bb is being totally reworked, shitboxes will be fixed, so ey
ebon trout
yeah your right
brittle bough
u right
ebon trout
I dont think bone break should be decided by RNG
crimson phoenix
U rIgT
ebon trout
It should be decided by limb dmg
brittle bough
it'll be locational I believe
ebon trout
It will be
crimson phoenix
yea ive heard about it being locational
ebon trout
Which is what it shoudl be...A leg should have a hp threshold and after that is met its a broken leg
brittle bough
so yeah anky on the ankles should be pretty high bb capabilities lol
ebon trout
Pachy on the legs anyone?
brittle bough
yeh
crimson phoenix
is locational damage in yet (LD)? ive heard alot of people saying it is
ebon trout
Pachy will be fun if you can go around breaking legs lol
brittle bough
nah, recode talk
ebon trout
No its not
Unfortunately desecration alot of things right now are simply wait for recode...Its a shitty situation but its the one we gotta deal with.
crimson phoenix
I ask this because I was in DM earlier and shants stomps sometimes one shot gigas/rexs and other times put them to first screen
ebon trout
Yeah you also have to remember dinos not in official servers are not properly balanced like at all
brittle bough
combat in general will be reworked; it won't be based on weight anymore, so you just gotta kinda deal with it and it's jank atm lol
cause it ain't gonna be updated till post recode
crimson phoenix
I feel the weight makes sense for combat
ebon trout
I do to a point...its to based on weight atm tho
algorithm now is something like (Base attack x Weight of attacker divided by weight of defender) It just to large of a multiplier right now...For example Ceratos have a large ass bite force but because its so light it is very underpowered
brittle bough
eh, me don't like thinking about math and weight, me just want kamikaze bite bite
i believe weight will be more related to hunger, i guess I'm not opposed if it's slightly factored into combat a la a sort of defense system
ebon trout
That would be my preferred change Slate Weight should be kinda like AC in other games
crimson phoenix
idk what AC is, Armor?
ebon trout
yeah armor
brittle bough
wasn't there a planned armor system or was that vigorous theory/suggestion discussing lol
ebon trout
I have 0 clue haha...But weight acting as a bit of defense i think is fine...But defining attack dmg solely on weight seem ridiculous....I mean when your multiplying numbers like 350(biteforce) To tons of weight its to large of a multiplier
going both ways
brittle bough
aye, too complicated to consider on the fly
crimson phoenix
I feel it makes sense for it to be the main multiplier for damage (weight) but it does get absurd at the higher ends vs the lower ends, like Rex biting a carno is some 10K damage
Also Tentacle I hope when they ad trample damage they ad trample to falling bodies
brittle bough
one simple system of defense i saw was #/100, where the missing number was the percent chance to be bled from an attack (so having 80 defense means you have a 20% chance of being bled from attacks in general,) pretty easy to remember. maybe some kind of system like that could be reworked for raw damage defense
ebon trout
yeah but the carno biting a rex is like 15-20 dmg out of 6500 HP lol Dont get me wrong tho rex should be alot stronger i just feel its a bit much...Only way for packs of mid tiers to kill rexes right now is bleed dmg....Cerato packs should be able to blunt force down a rex if playing very very well IMO
brittle bough
eh, granted i guess it makes sense to have to bleed out apexes kindasorta? idk
ebon trout
Yeah i go back and forth...I always come back to the largest bite force mid tier takes like 80 hits to kill a rex...thats to much imo
crimson phoenix
Yea that's where the weight gets to be not so good, I think of ceras like Hyenas and Rex like a lion, Hyenas can kill lions in numbers
brittle bough
yeeah that's a bit much lmao
ebon trout
Especially when ur a 1 hit kill for him
brittle bough
basically current weight system is fuckin everything up lul
ebon trout
I got one last question for you desecration....If bone break was balanced more and shitboxes were fixed would you agree rex is balanced?
brittle bough
its hard to imagine that far ahead tbf
crimson phoenix
I guess so, reflecting those are the things that have gotten me the most mad
ebon trout
Ok then we do agree on this topic đ
crimson phoenix
YES
crimson phoenix
an ava gives gigas 10% of there food, but like only 20% to an allo
HOW IS THIS NUMBER OK
ebon trout
Make ai great again....It shouldn't spawn around us we should have to hunt it
brittle bough
god, recode hype, just imagine.... ai that fights back.....
crimson phoenix
I want avas to just body juvies left and right
ebon trout
Ya wasnt there a large dino they wanted solely as ai that fights back?
yeah
that would be cool
LOL yeah could you imagine if velos were playable? They would fucking wreck juvies
crimson phoenix
velo ai is only good because it locks on
ebon trout
LOL thats lame it should be able to for sure...I wanna play a velo and play the same game i do when im a dilo fighting a rex
brittle bough
i started playing saurian recently and man having ai that isn't free burgers is wild after playing the isle so long lmao
ai that actively curbstomps you if you get too big for your juvi britches
give in TI now pls yes
ebon trout
Has anyone ever seen someone die to a velo btw? Like has it ever happened?
brittle bough
juvi utahs
crimson phoenix
ive died to them twice (juvei utah)
ebon trout
Ive seen hatchlings but not juvies
brittle bough
can confirm, did it twice as juvi utah, was Pissed
ebon trout
i guess juvie utah kinda makes sense they so small
crimson phoenix
fun thing is juvie utah 1 shots velos
brittle bough
yeah but perfect assriding lmao
can't ever bite the damn thing if there's no alt turn
brittle bough
i play rocktah on nublar just to watch global chat and whatever funky shit happens around gulf pond, haven't really given cerato a proper chance
ebon trout
I think alt turn should exist (not in its current form) but i like playing no alt turn servers because its like the only way to make Cerato viable
You should give it a shot slate...I do it on nycta 1 thenyaw (my favorite map)....They are fucking bullies
brittle bough
the first time i tried it I got smacked by an unusually mean adult pachy as a juvi lmao
ebon trout
lol
I love allo hunting the most as a cerato on nycta its great fun cus the allos always think they will win
crimson phoenix
ceras are no joke to anything that isn't double there wieght
crimson phoenix
alt turn is realy dumb imo
ebon trout
I think how its implemented is dumb
brittle bough
wym?
ebon trout
It needs to be slower and more like a sidestep turn instead of a ballerina turn
brittle bough
oh my god not again
brittle bough
everyone who bitches about the animations gives me a hernia lmao. they lack animations because they're not done yet.
viral creek
Cera isn't bad because of his alt turn speed, he's bad because of his bleed resistence.
brittle bough
don't factor the animations into "it's bad lul"
ebon trout
But honestly if it was a sidestep turn it would naturally be slower so i think thatd fix it personally.
viral creek
Alt turn really just need an animation
And for giga alt turn speed to be slowed down
Cause his alt is fast even for alt turn standards.
ebon trout
It depends on the animations i guess...If the animations are just as fast as alt turn is now ill not like it...If it naturally slows it down a bit it will be perfect IMO.... I know this is a hottly contested topic tho so ill leave it at that
I think removing alt turn all together would be a horrible horrible horrible idea
brittle bough
anyway after trying alt turn vs no alt turn combat for a while longer i am gently coming to favor alt turn, it adds more strategy to combat than "assride and whoever has the tighter turn wins because the wider one can never get a hit in and if it's slower it can't get away"
viral creek
I mean, it COULD be removed if collision makes up for it, according to the developers.
But uh, not confirmed.
ebon trout
Possibly, thats to far for me to speculate on tho
brittle bough
huhm
viral creek
Tbh I didn't like alt turn either when it first came out.
ebon trout
I do agree with you slate tho on the whole
viral creek
But I got used to it.
ebon trout
I just hate how fast it is atm BUT again animations may slow them down a bit naturally...just depends on the route they take with animations
hahahaha
What about a slight delay? Kind of like locomotion.....just a very small delay from walking to alt turning...Not just stop and alt turn....Maybe if like everything had to wait the same gap a allo does due to its locomotion (Im not saying give every dino that added stopping distance)
ebon trout
Yeah thats what i mean
brittle bough
give everything an instant pivot turn lul
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5CxMKEx6bZo
ebon trout
It has a gap between stopping running (Letting go of W) and alt turning
If everything had that natural gap it may be better i dunno just spitballing
Trex and giga shouldnt be able to stop on a dime and alt turn maybe that would make me feel better. I dunno
viral creek
I think rex and giga have molmentum too
ebon trout
If they do ive never noticed it and i probably got 500 hours on them together
But it may be there just so small i dont notice it
viral creek
Alt turn kinda has it's own natural limitations, As in, if you charge at something as a creature with molmentum, you're leaving a really big opening to get your ass bitten.
ebon trout
It definitely does not feel like an allo I fuck up my stop and alt turn all the time on an allo never have i on a giga or rex
viral creek
I think allos momentum gain/loss is a bit more intense than on rex or giga. idk
Correct me if I'm wrong.
ebon trout
I dont think they have any momentum.....i really dont anyone have an opinion or some more insight on that?
brittle bough
allo definitely has got a slow ass stop to it, it takes like an entire step more than you expect lol
viral creek
I think molmentum is planned for almost all creatures?
ebon trout
yea slate it does for sure....I think that gap that an allo takes to alt turn needs to be their for the rex and giga...And boom alt turn is fixed IMO
brittle bough
yeah
crimson phoenix
Idk is allos have momentum yet, the only one I know that has it is the carno
viral creek
Allo, carno, giga and rex all have molmentum
brittle bough
they do.. i just said it lol, give allo a try and you'll feel it imnediately
especially when you tryna eat
between momentum and them dramatically looking away in their idle, you're best off crouching for food
ebon trout
Ive really never felt the momentum on rex and giga....Im growing a giga now it may just be because i havent played one of them in about a month or more
brittle bough
i think they have the tiiniest bit
ebon trout
Trike is getting a charge attack IIRC
crimson phoenix
Ive never noticed the momentum on the apexs
also yea, herbs should have charge attacks
especially packy
open fable
Somone mentioned that before on suggestions with dibble having an ambush but it's a charge instead.
ebon trout
Ok just hopped on a rex on dm server if it has momentum its next to none
I let go of W and it stops on a dime
open fable
Yeah and it would kill you in the process. @night mountain
crimson phoenix
I was joking with someone about gali getting an ambush
ebon trout
Galli is so fun to play...best juvie killer in the game from a fun point anyways
brittle bough
utah puntin' đ
ebon trout
we killed an allo with 3 gallis once was so fun
full adult allo
for the record that should never happen on a alt turn server haha
the guy refused to alt turn...Musta been grim or something haha
brittle bough
if alt turn is on and you run from the gallis, you've lost
ebon trout
Firstorm executions have already been teased by dondi
finite perch
? executions were attempted, but ultimately tossed out
ebon trout
3 weeks or so ago he teased it as a future mechanic I'm not looking it up now but DM me a d tomorrow I'll throw you a timestamp
finite perch
understandable, im very ok with it if things have changed lol
ebon trout
I like the idea as well as long as it doesn't come with I frames
ebon trout
lol
jovial moss
@barren zephyr maia and pachy's growth times should straight up be swapped, tbh
barren zephyr
Pachy Hatch: 20
Pachy Juvie: 70
Pachy Adult: 60
Maia Hatch: 20
Maia Juvie: 50
Maia Adult: 60
its only the juvi part thats bs
so eh, thats what i meant. bc the growth time on everything else is the same
unless the google docs is wrong,, then yea
jovial moss
barren zephyr
jovial moss
that works too LOL
barren zephyr
lol
open fable
Just use the wiki its always being updated and it tells you the damage growth times and pretty much everything.
valid zephyr
and half of what the wiki says is lies
I remember reading cama is the confirmed next playable there...
when no such thing was ever said
barren zephyr
pff
thats even worse then alberto
alberto is at least somewhat diferent, plust the fact of dinamic growth being a thing, will hopefully help it more then tarbo
Tarbosaurus would just be a trash rex
lilac swallow
A perma 90% grow adult rex
barren zephyr
I really would not care at least we have a new dino in game lol
whos cares if its weak
i would rather have alberto atleast playstyle wise it would be diferent
lilac swallow
I do care if It is viable to survive
sick crescent
yeet
barren zephyr
it would be fine, just another dino to have fun with
barren zephyr
no you dont mate
blazing charm
Yes you do.
barren zephyr
you literally could just put a sentence, there are no requirements. just make it make sense
blazing charm
A suggestion for a playable creature needs to explain why it would be viable to add, what would be unique about it. I highly doubt you can squeeze in the necessary information with just a single sentence.
barren zephyr
O welp thats your opinion, and your opinion is valid
blazing charm
Alright, i'll agree to disagree.
barren zephyr
with the new raptor being created does that mean we can suggest utahraptor as a new playable dino
barren zephyr
Just say I would recommend we keep the Utahraptor as a playable dino since there is going to be a new raptor being added in
sick crescent
"we should have utahraptor playable dino"
blazing charm
So what would it be then?
granite vigil
It's position is already filled by smaller tier carnivores like Dilo and Cerato
unborn quail
barren zephyr
more of a pinning dino, more ambush reliant perhaps, i mean its a bulkier build im pretty sure u can come up with something kling or anyone really
just not latching
granite vigil
So, just the raptor we already have? Just bulkier?
unborn quail
The raptor we have will be capable of pinning
granite vigil
Because that's what it's gonna do with latching
barren zephyr
The raptor we have now is gonna be my choice either way
blazing charm
While I personally love the idea of competition and variation among raptors, since right now the only creatures that could really challenge a pack of "Raptors" that are perched on high spaces would Mercs, Tribals and Cannibals.
Utahraptor needs a bit more than just being a heavier build than the current raptor, since you balance just between invalidating the current raptor, or being invalidated by the likes of Dilo or Cerato.
barren zephyr
man humans in game is gonna be crazy. more raptors in game is going to be even crazier
well for that i need to think of something to stand it apart, althought we dont know how pinning will work of if one can be released from it
sick crescent
well
barren zephyr
maybe make it a small tier focused hunter, since the current and new raptor will be able to hunt larger game
sick crescent
things would already do something "cooler" than pinning so
barren zephyr
whatever the devs have planned, they are silent for a reason
current raptor just seems like a huge deinonychus
featherless lol
i like featherless dinos just as much as scalies
gotcha
so you hate feathered ones
theri is the one im mos tired of seing be only feathery
scallies can be as beatifull as featheries, just look at TI gallie
Later on, as players we might be able to get an option feathers or no feathers for some dinos(Rumors). But I could care less, i just want more dinos which is coming later on
the option to unfeather your dinos and see feathered versions of you species is very weird.