general-feedback-discussion

[short bone]

ADD more AI... ive spawned in as a juvie rex 3 times in a row now, everytime i die by hunger, i walk around forever and that one time i found something, it was a huge ava that i struggeled with forever but then died before i could kill it, by hunger...

[pale prairie]

it's already too easy to grow an apex carnivore, making AI spawn more frequently would only make things worse.

[short bone]

so dying now soon my 4 time in a row bc of no ai spawns is too easy??

ive spent about an hur only looking for food

[barren zephyr]

dude

AI already spoonfeeds you

[pale prairie]

how many people are on your server? that affects how often AI spawns for lone carnivores.

[barren zephyr]

by appearing when you're hungry

[short bone]

its full

[pale prairie]

oh, and stay in the same spot, moving around will make finding AI more difficult.

[short bone]

or 96/100

[pale prairie]

AI will spawn for you when you're hungry, however, if you're constantly moving around, you would have left the area where the AI spawned before you can hear it.

stay around one area to have a better chance of finding AI.

[brittle bough]

i found it hard to believe as well when i first started but yeah, find a somewhat open area (for convenience) and just wait there; ai will spawn around you once your hunger is <75%
i advise trying it out on a utah first, just perch somewhere and wait and you will hear ai eventually lol

[indigo sun]

It's not like we need more apexes anyway so i think ai's just fine
Its not even gonna spawn on players in the futre anyway

[neat flicker]

I don't think i've ever had an issue finding AI. When you drop below 70% they start to spawn and you can tell that they've spawned when you freeze for half a second. You just have to play enough to learn their calls, and whenever you get super hungry, stop moving around as the ai will spawn behind you and you'll keep moving out of range from it.

[brittle bough]

thats kind of goofy, how they spawn behind you; ultimately it discourages travelling to find food, because if you travel to find food youll probably starve to death lul. at least if they spawned in front of you it would, to someone who doesnt know how they work, encourage travelling to find food, because going forward would draw you closer to them

[cyan flame]

To be fair, with a full server, if enough people are hungry carnis, it can be iffy with getting ai, it should be fine, but it can be tricky at times

[barren zephyr]

That is why you see tons of apexes

[cyan flame]

Especially if you're on your own and everyone else is not, since groups seem to get ai more often and all that

[valid zephyr]

Yep with a max playercount server and most are carnis AI seems to glitch out

[cyan flame]

Nah, no glitches, it's just, there's a limited amount of ai to get, and I don't think it goes through everyone in a list, just whoever is hungry, so a group could get all the ai and then a lone carni gets nothing despite being just as hungry

That would actually be interesting, having a list that the ai goes through, so when you've gotten an ai, everyone else who needs one gets one before you can get one again.. :p Would work for groups too perhaps, sure, you'll get your bunch of ai, but then you too need to wait for a bit

[barren zephyr]

ai might glitch on servers with high players but you can just group up to not starve on those servers

ai is just lame and easy

[brittle bough]

so many people arent gonna know what to do when ai doesnt spawn in their mouths anymore lmao

[valid zephyr]

Back in the Region 2 days AI wasn't even a thing, but as the map was small you saw other players.

It's a map issue more than just an AI issue.

[cyan flame]

That and how long food lasted and all that too

[brittle bough]

eh, its a mixture of both. a massive map would be fine if the ai wasnt on-demand burgers, and if the player cap could be higher. they cant have a higher player cap without breaking the ai and causing lag and that whole host of issues, so this basic ai system has to exist for carnivores to not always perish from finding literally no one for their whole life.
a smaller map is better for pvp, yeah, but the massive map will be better utilized once theres something other than pvp to do lol

[rigid tartan]

A.I will always be a necessary thing because you cant account for 1. player activity and 2. the types of dino's people run into.

[valid zephyr]

What is the mass of people hitting the pin thing next to my suggestion mean?

i've looked through pinned stuff and see nothing already there that is similar

[gentle blade]

Think it's less 'this is pinned' and more 'please pin this'

[valid zephyr]

ah ok good to see

was frantically looking through the pinned tags trying to find where somthing the same was pinned

[teal grotto]

@rigid tartan yep AI is getting buffed in the recode so even if you have 200 players on AI will still spawn.

Basicly saying the lag is gone in the said recode is not called a recode for nothing

[barren zephyr]

What are the current numbers on AI? Do they literally not spawn at all on 200 players? Is there a hard cap on dinos, so AI will fill up to 200 slots on a server (or just V3?), so if there's 150 players, there's never more than 50 AI on the map at all at any one time?

(I've never starved to death on a carnivore, on Thenyaw or V3; I'm just curious to know the mechanics : )

I'd also like to know how grouping really affects it - is it just because there's a higher chance the spawn will happen for one of your multiple packmates, or is there a legit mechanic that actively looks for hungry groups and gives them preferential treatment?

[brittle bough]

im unsure of how accurate it is, but ive been told that a 200 player cap makes ai start spawning under the map or something of that sort

[valid zephyr]

I think AI are like number of empty slots + 40 or somthing

up to 140

[barren zephyr]

: o

[valid zephyr]

so when you get 100 players as hungry carnis it gets too scarce

[barren zephyr]

AI spawns on a full 150 server tho

[valid zephyr]

while on low pop you're swimming in a sea of tacos

[barren zephyr]

lol

[valid zephyr]

hmm not sure how AI works then

that's all i heard

[barren zephyr]

Do we know if these numbers aren't shared specifically because the devs don't want us to know period, or is it because the game is still in flux and could change at any time and they don't want us getting used to old numbers when things change?

How open do devs tend to be about the hard mechanics of the game?

[grave karma]

kind of both

[wintry cipher]

ive heard it stated that servers can only handle 140 characters. one ai puts the same load on the server as a player. so on a server with 1 player, you will have over a hundred ai and then when its 100 people, its 40 ai.

thats why they bug out so bad or are nonexistent in high player servers

(but at that point theres typically enough juvies to eat anyways so)

[brittle bough]

im perplexed by the talk of broken or wonky ai spawning because i play on a 150-cap server regularly, which also tends to be full regularly, and i never notice any abnormalities with the ai. they always seem to reliably spawn once hunger is <=75%; its the mods of said server who say that if they make the cap any higher then ai will really start to break, namely by spawning under the map. im not sure if ive just been lucky or im missing something

[barren zephyr]

@brittle bough Yeah, my main server runs 150 and stays pretty full most of the time, and still reliably spawns AI. I don't know where the 140 number is coming from. I have heard that 200 is the breaking point, but haven't noticed any problems at all at 150.

[neat flicker]

@barren zephyr I'm curious as to what's a dev test thingy?

[pale prairie]

i'm assuming they mean the soundblocks on the dv-testlevel

[tepid light]

@barren zephyr please refer to the pinned messages :
Reminder that posts such as "please fix (insert bug here)" are not suggestions, they are bug reports. "

[barren zephyr]

bruh

bruh

[sick crescent]

👍

Love it

I rate 10/10

@blazing charm actually kinda reminds me of Ark’s Para

[blazing charm]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

[sick crescent]

Para herds using one guy as a scout turret

Lol

Cool eitherway

Super cool

I want

[blazing charm]

I remembered Ark's Para being a semi aqautic boy, I believe it used the thing of Para's crest being a snorkel

[sick crescent]

You got any ideas for a herbivore end game?

[blazing charm]

Personally, Elders.

[sick crescent]

Mmmm

Ngl

I’d be down for a Camara Elder

[night mountain]

pls

[blazing charm]

Not strong enough to take on most Strain creatures, but better equipped to take on the smaller threats.

[grave karma]

i want me an elder anky

rock but moving

[night mountain]

i want that hyper anky

its straight the coolest strain design

[grave karma]

i agree

neuro anky seems pretty cool tho

[sick crescent]

I’m thinking of some other stuff besides my Lambe’s knock out back-kicking

Elder Anky

Nah Hyper Anky better

[night mountain]

I just want anything, literally anything that makes people play herbs again

[grave karma]

shorter grow times

[night mountain]

i'd even be cool with dying herbs not having to start all the way as juvis again

[sick crescent]

No

[grave karma]

atleast

[sick crescent]

I hate shorter growth times for Herbivores

[night mountain]

yeah shorter grow times works too

[sick crescent]

Another reason for them to be far weaker

Which is b a d

[night mountain]

oh fair

[brittle bough]

i mean, when i suggested/discussed shorter growth times it was pointedly also not making them weaker; just how they would normally be, except being able to get to adulthood quicker to compensate for their comparatively not exciting gameplay and how death is essentially a part of their gameplay, so grown herbis can, you know, exist in the map at a fairly common rate. if you look at other games where death is not just punishment but an integral and common part of the gameplay, said games also tend to have ways to make death less punishing to prevent putting off or frustrating the player (e.g. quick respawns, low losses, frequent checkpoints, etc.) granted this is a survival game so i dont expect complete forgiveness for death, but the idea is more for better general accommodation of it to not put players off of it, since the default temptation already exists for choosing carnivores over herbivores because theyre 'cooler' and more exciting
affinity should theoretically make gameplay more engaging for them though, and i certainly wouldnt mind if all herbivores could group together sans adult trike for that extra area of fun, so i guess that idea should be thrown in the back 'til we get The Stuff

[paper oriole]

Lmaooo the rex juvie who cant even hunt ai

Sounds like somebody isnt fit to play a carni

[brittle bough]

i mean, it sounds more like somebody is new, to me, but sure

@valid flower yawn

the desync and hitboxes will very likely be fixed with the recode, everyone knows theyre janky, that isnt a suggestion, etc.

[paper oriole]

Buff suggetions arent allowed

[indigo sun]

@barren peak

Fuck

[paper oriole]

You have to say WHAT needs a buff and why

[indigo sun]

All had the same idea i guess

[brittle bough]

lmao

[paper oriole]

Explain why anky needs a buff (even tho its ovbious) and also its niche in survival because sandbox dino stats arent getting that attention

[indigo sun]

Goddamn it's just a bad suggesti9n day I guess

[brittle bough]

its "people ignore pinned messages" day

[valid flower]

thats everyday

[indigo sun]

This is more than usual

[brittle bough]

they usually arent consecutive lol

[indigo sun]

Mutiple ppeople in a row

[sick crescent]

Yeah

It always goes with nerf

[valid zephyr]

I dunno looking at the suggestion list today there are plenty of good ones

i might be biased though

[brittle bough]

we were talking about two illegal suggestions in a row, theyve since been deleted

[valid zephyr]

ah fair enough

[indigo sun]

"Fix this"
"Buff that"
Honestly people if you can write you can read

[valid zephyr]

yeah need to state what needs changing

[sick crescent]

Jenkens

You made god suggestion

@barren zephyr am I right

Lol

[barren zephyr]

ya idk feels like jenkins is running off some overly pessimistic assumptions

but sure an endgame would be fine for herbis in theory

[valid zephyr]

It's just we've heard about endgame content for other things, but nothing for herbis

the devs were asked directly in ask a dev and they said different diets

which is coming for carnis too

so isn't anything in herbis favour

[blazing charm]

Well, what COULD you do with a Herbivore?

Strains aren't an option.

[valid zephyr]

well strains, but we've been told no

I keep hearing magna isn't a strain, so maybe that, but we don't know what magna even is

could be rex exclusive

elder herbis is the most realistic i hear

[blazing charm]

Apart from lore reasons, Strain herbivores wouldn't really make sense in concept.

[lament thorn]

I just want some sort of Elder for herbis

[gaunt parcel]

(i was about to put the middle finger cause i couln't see which was the pointing up lmao)

[lament thorn]

as a reward for living a long and good life

[gaunt parcel]

yeassss

[blazing charm]

A Strain as far as we know, is meant to be a killing machine, either with brute strength, telekentic power or venom/camoflague. Why would a Herbivore need the tools of kill everything?

[lament thorn]

like had a good diet? survived a lot of encounters? migrated and mingled? nested? yes to all then here you go

[valid zephyr]

What made them popular in progression region 2 was rare apexes, all herbis in same chat so it was very social, and they cost barely any prog points

all of those points are now gone

[blazing charm]

Yeah, because nothing could HUNT those herbivores.

[valid zephyr]

i've heard a lot of people think magna is nature fighting back vs strains, which could make sense that herbis also have them available

[blazing charm]

I will be damned if we go back to the day where we had mega herds.

[brittle bough]

perhaps this herbi endgame stage- call it elder for simplicity's sake- could provide some positive effects to those around it, to contrast the death and destruction of carnivores' endgames
something like increased affinity or stamina regen or something, boosted healing when resting, etc. not enough to generate mega herds though, but just as the start of an idea.

[valid zephyr]

thing is just trikes can generate mega herds around them. herbis will latch on to anything at all that helps them

[blazing charm]

So basically, make sure multiple people get elders, and you're pretty much unstoppable until a Hyper shows up.

[brittle bough]

i would assume elder would be hard to get, like hypers. thats like saying servers will fall apart because multiple people will get hypers lol

[compact coyote]

but then the same can be said the other way round if a magna rolls around

[valid zephyr]

if it was made hard enough to get, elder/magna herbis wouldn't be unbalanced

[mental sleet]

yeah jenkens

[valid zephyr]

as a hyper could still wipe them

[mental sleet]

but that is the same reason why you shouldn't consider strains as endgame for carnivores

[random knoll]

You give herbis something and they use it to shit on carnis something they shit on herbis

[mental sleet]

strains are probaly goin to be unbelievably rare.

[random knoll]

Except there are hardly any herbis

[compact coyote]

plus the insatiable hunger

[mental sleet]

if those theorized ''elders'' are as strong as they need to be, in order to be relevant, then they will have to be just as rare.

or slightly less.

problem is, what stops an elder herd from forming ?

and what do you need to give them for them to be worth all that time ?

And how do you make sure that, when people get this newfound power, they won't abuse it ?

[brittle bough]

again, i presume they would be around as hard to get as hypers. this is the equivalent of saying hyper packs will form lol, they would be a very rare sight.

i also said it was just the start of an idea. why not propose a drawback/limit?

[lament thorn]

my thought on elders was more like a little bigger(so also a little stronger) and perhaps a slightly different model that looks more rugged and warned

not a freaking unstopabble beast that everyone else is talking about XD

[random knoll]

Elder herbis arnt as strong as hypos

The hole idea was for them to be slightly bigger and stronger

[brittle bough]

i said i would call them elders for simplicity's sake. instead of calling them some dumb shit like hyper herbis. fucking christ none of you can read

[mental sleet]

that would be the safest idea blue wolf, but how much bigger can you make an animal without destabilizing the way it interacts with others ?

a 1.1x dinosaur is still 1.1x of a dinosaur

[lament thorn]

10%?

[mental sleet]

10% faster may not seem much

but take Maia for example.

Can you imagine a 10% faster Maia ?

[lament thorn]

oof good point

[random knoll]

Could just make it so elders give adults slight buffs

[mental sleet]

What you could do at that point is not have speed increase with the animal.

[random knoll]

And very small we’re talking

[mental sleet]

but then you need to make the animations slower.

because your model is bigger.

probably not that difficult.

[brittle bough]

maia runs at 44, 10% of 44 is 4, so 10% faster maia is 48

[random knoll]

I mean herbis are dead and will be for a while

[lament thorn]

If survived a long good life id rather be the person that got something out of it rather then giving buffs to other players that happen to cling to me

[mental sleet]

What if you could pick from both ?

[lament thorn]

but thats just me being self cantered in a survival game

[mental sleet]

Either a group-buff of some kind

[brittle bough]

be a hyper then lul

[mental sleet]

Or a more singular advantage.

[lament thorn]

to me hypers are pointless

its a bit of fun

But i like to focus on long term gameplay

[brittle bough]

herbis are gently geared towards being social and supporting each other, so some kind of positive group buff thing for herbis makes sense to me. it doesnt accommodate solo lone wolf lookin ass herbis, but then herbis in general scarcely accommodate that playstyle, so eh.

i would also assume your buffs apply to yourself, so

[mental sleet]

herbis should always have acess to solo gameplay.

[brittle bough]

i fucking know, dont start on that again.

[mental sleet]

[brittle bough]

you know exactly what i mean.

[lament thorn]

if the buffs apply to the player that is actually the elder then I guess thats fair

[valid zephyr]

elder could even be a bit slower

but stronger

so they won't use their new power to hunt down utahs

[brittle bough]

#justiceforutahshuntedbymaias

[valid zephyr]

they just need somthing to work for

[random knoll]

Could also give the kids of elders a slightly faster grow time

[valid zephyr]

as currently their only end game goal is being dinner

[random knoll]

Just something for herbis man

[valid zephyr]

they used to be popular, and now are rare, so it's clearly not simply an inherrant people don't like herbis

[lament thorn]

it would make people want to nest with them even more so that would be fun to watch

[valid zephyr]

they clearly have the potential to be popular

[lament thorn]

a lot of my friends that were herbi mains have stopped playing the game

wonder if that could also be something thats effecting the population as whole?

[random knoll]

A lot of my friends who are herbi mains went over to carni and some t8mes like right now try and get a big herd together

[valid zephyr]

yep all the people i used to herd with no longer play

[lament thorn]

I think they might return after the recode and affinity are added

basically just need another reason to be sucked into the game

[random knoll]

Yeah

[valid zephyr]

but just as many carni players will return too

[brittle bough]

with the hyper herbis im trying to overall contrast the hyper carnis
hyper carnis:
-extreme strength
-unstoppable forces of destruction and death
-ultimately die of hunger
so likewise for hyper herbis:
-increased raw damage, but a bit slower due to age
-passively provide buffs to themselves and herbis in their group and/or vicinity (increased stamina regen, increased recovery when resting, faster grow times to children they have, increased affinity, that sort of stuff. possibly does not stack, to prevent any extra benefit from having a million hyper herbis, since apparently everyone thinks theyll be super easy to get. )

[valid zephyr]

it won't effect player proportions

[lament thorn]

prods dont call them hypers tho

[brittle bough]

when i call them elders everyone goes "but when i wanted elders i didnt mean"

you can not have it both ways

make a new name for them then.

[random knoll]

Yeah but that’s because you make them out to be hypers

[brittle bough]

i called them elders as a placeholder. because hyper herbi is stupid.

[random knoll]

There just slight larger Bois instead of gigantic spook fest

[brittle bough]

the placeholder upset the masses so i went to hyper herbi as the other placeholder.

[valid zephyr]

yeah strain herbis 100% we got told no

[random knoll]

They were all way called elders

[brittle bough]

oh. my god

[lament thorn]

I gave my opnion on wanting something like an elder system then you joined and started hinting that yours would be able to go against the strains?

[random knoll]

Wasn’t there fan art?

[lament thorn]

thats why i said i meant something different to you

[brittle bough]

okay fucking hang on.

[barren zephyr]

Hyperbivore

[random knoll]

Ooo.....

[lament thorn]

Was it Emily that did a bunch of Elder type dinos?

[brittle bough]

it was not a finalized super official 100% name. it was a placeholder because we know what the other elder suggestion is.

just looking older and grayer and being a bit bigger or whatever.

god yall find every way to focus on the tiniest nitpickiest things lmao. you look at a whole suggestion and go "but that placeholder name that you said was a placeholder is bad" and thats all you focus on

[valid zephyr]

if magna turns out to be some super perfect high level affinity for rexes and raptors, then in theory could work for anything

[brittle bough]

eh, yeah

[random knoll]

Well managa are though to be natural versions of the hypers

[lament thorn]

sure call it nitpicking but 'hyperherbis' makes everyone think of an unstoppable giant that will starve five minutes after spawning

[brittle bough]

thats why. i didnt. use. hyper herbis. until everyone bitched about me using elders.

then i started using hyper herbis to differentiate and here we are.

[lament thorn]

because we thought you were still talking about a creature that could contest with the strains while our original idea was something that was just a small reward for surviving

its just a bag of confusion

but I like your idea

[valid zephyr]

strains seem like they are aimed at being walking nukes

herbi goal should be different imo

more like a bonus guardian to the herd

that isn't near hyper power levels

[brittle bough]

when i used elders

[paper oriole]

If the "titan" herbis (like cama, shant) become playable in survival their elder form could possibly take on a hypo

And theyd also be hard to achieve

[lament thorn]

yes cause you and Kingjaffed were talking about hyper levels of strength

[brittle bough]

i wasnt.

this was what i said before that. how is this hyper levels lmao

[lament thorn]

not that

[brittle bough]

quote it then, because i dont recall saying we should have vegetarian godzilla

[brittle bough]

comparing the level of difficulty in acquisition. not strength.

[lament thorn]

we never wanted anything near unstoppable even with multiple ones

but having them be as hard to get as a strain made me believe you were hinting at them being lethal

[brittle bough]

king was being overdramatic and criticizing my suggestion, i was saying they would be hard to get, and also gentle group buffs arent equivalent to a hyper rex lol

[lament thorn]

since strains will be extremely difficult to achieve since they are like gods

so having the elders be as difficult would be weird if they werent?

you get my confusion?

[brittle bough]

king seemed to be suggesting that my idea would result in multiple elders gathering to stack their buffs and create a unstoppable death herd; i likened that to multiple hypers coming together to make a death pack, just a bit silly of a conclusion. elders would probably be a bit easier to get than hypers just because theyre a bit less destructive, but not so much that theyre all over the place, since to make the equivalent of hyper strength into a group buff would obviously make a death herd pff

[lament thorn]

^ yeh thats why one of the first things I said was a checklist of all the things you need to have done in your very very long life as that herdi to get it

it would need affinity to work

[brittle bough]

aye, this is assuming other stuff like affinity and whatnot is in place- buff trike are you alright youve been pondering whatever youre typing for a very long time and im slightly anxious for a reaming lmao

[sick crescent]

Y e S

[random knoll]

Azure

[lament thorn]

why hello Azure come to join us?

[sick crescent]

I joined previous conversation bout para and elders

I have to say

[barren zephyr]

oh my lord

[sick crescent]

Elders lookin hot

Davis

Wait

What

@jolly willow

W h a t

[lament thorn]

yes not like Don made this game so he would have something he could enjoy playing

no no not at all

he never touches it

ever

[sick crescent]

Well

He did say he doesn’t like the current state of the game

[lament thorn]

I dont think anyone does

[barren zephyr]

i missed the big discussion

[sick crescent]

Like long growth having issues blah blah

[random knoll]

I’ve seen some devs play the game as dinso ...but most of the time there hypos killing everyhting

[sick crescent]

We can still discuss bout my Lambe

And the para thing

Hexa

[random knoll]

No

Yes

[sick crescent]

Don’t you just love the Para suggestion

[random knoll]

?

Oh yeah

I like

[barren zephyr]

jaffad's?

[sick crescent]

Ye

Mixherd Para with Diablos

[random knoll]

Ye

[sick crescent]

With that suggestion

[barren zephyr]

yea its p interesting at least

[lament thorn]

Jaffed always has great suggestions

[sick crescent]

Nono Para and Gallis

Jaffad might even get red name one day

[random knoll]

@blazing charm get a damed one for dibble

I need this

[sick crescent]

I still don’t know if Jaffad approves of my Lambe

Yet again it isn’t finished

[blazing charm]

shrug

Honestly, not really sure about Diablo.

[sick crescent]

A backkick that knocks out dinosaurs seem kinda op

[random knoll]

Hmmmm...

Shit what could you have for dibble

[sick crescent]

Uhhh

Uhhh

[random knoll]

@sick crescent IDEAS NOW

[lament thorn]

spill

[sick crescent]

Diablo could push back shit?

Idk

[random knoll]

Hmmmm

[sick crescent]

Runs into Allo

Pushes it back

Seems useless af but meh

[random knoll]

Sadly it can’t be a mouthing goat since tahts pachy job

[blazing charm]

Aw god damnit this is bugging me now.

You interupted my other brainstorming session

[sick crescent]

Jaffad why must you have Masters Degree

Am jelly

[random knoll]

What were you brain storming

[blazing charm]

Secret stuff, don't worry about it.

[random knoll]

Hmmmm

[lament thorn]

I shall worry

[sick crescent]

Everyone panic

[random knoll]

I assume another idea for a non survival Dino

Shits going down

I’m bugged now

[barren zephyr]

its definitely a sekrit

[random knoll]

Dibble needs an ability tooo

DPS for life man

[lament thorn]

team maia

screw you utah for life

what were we discussing again?

[barren zephyr]

gig-

[random knoll]

NO

We were disccuign abilities for dibble ehh ehh

[lament thorn]

I suggest the ability to walk and trot without looking ridiculous

[sick crescent]

Slay

@barren zephyr

[random knoll]

How dare u

[valid zephyr]

never insult dibbles waddle!

it's perfect

[lament thorn]

sure sure

[paper oriole]

give dibbles a roll attack to bowl over utahs like pins along with a matching sound effect

[jolly willow]

@sick crescent thats not a suggestion thats in feedback

also its clear he doesn't actually play anything other than maia lol, until he ever says otherwise

he thinks cerato is fine

idk man i just think itd help if they actually played the game at least a little.

[valid zephyr]

@brittle bough I agree elder herbs like that idea would be somthing to work towards, without being op or disruptive

[indigo sun]

I like it as well

Herbivores dont have shit, and carnivores get all these strains and stuff

[torn thistle]

Please try including mechanic ideas with your creature suggestion in the future.

[paper oriole]

maybe after an herbi hits cap some of their stats should continue to increase based on affinity to reach their elder form

to make them more defensive based

[indigo sun]

Give them something beyond "oh theyll have something, i guess..."

Bhaltair are you talking to slate?

[brittle bough]

someone had suggested dimetrodon or something, and that was the whole suggestion lol

[indigo sun]

Oh

OkY

Shit

*okay

Theres a third one

[torn thistle]

Was referencing the vague Dimetrodon suggestion, yes.

[valid zephyr]

i'm wondering if magnas will be the 'natural' super high affinity bonus thing still though

which can work for both carnis and herbis

[night mountain]

lol rex being in dense forests

if you like getting stuck on trees 24/7 maybe

[paper oriole]

rexes more like hiding in the edge of forests near water or other traffic spots to ambush into the open i think

they arent exactly great for dense forest chases lol

er ambushes

[umbral tartan]

@formal vine Hypo rexes were once playable to the public, and (I don't know if you remember) but once one person got to hypo, they sought out all adult rexes on the server to make sure they didnt become a hypo, because hypo-hypo battles were just skill based because they had the same stats and just generally, there were barely any hypos/strains at all. And I've heard a few ideas of how to become strains, and none of them involve sitting in a bush waiting for AI.

[sick crescent]

Dimetrodon

What

[valid zephyr]

I cant see dimetredon being viable. super slow and weak

with a big sail meaning you can't hide

[blazing charm]

Dimentron might've worked as some kind of small fisher

But then there's Austro and Bary

and anything that gets in the way of my Bary must be crushed.

[night mountain]

Yeah like i'd love dimetro but idk how you'd make it viable

maybe give it stupidly long lasting hunger so it can live on shitty small deserted islands and live off the rare fish

but that'd be boring

[valid zephyr]

well it's a psuedo mammal so it would probs have a faster metabolism

and need more food

they had specialised teeth though for better eating, so maybe it could get more food from bodies

[hallow vigil]

idk about that dryo burrow breaking legs suggestion

cuz right now people can have infinite dryos on officials

[tepid light]

dryos land mine field

[hallow vigil]

so what if people just got a bunch of dryos and make defensive walls of burrows, or minefields of burrows

yea

[night mountain]

i mean you can only have one burrow and they're pretty obvious though

thats not bad

dont have it break if you walk over em

just in a proper run

[hallow vigil]

oh ok

[night mountain]

yeah no reason that should happen if you're just trotting or whatever lol

[hallow vigil]

would still be kinda annoying in a fight tho, like if trikes had dryos that made burrows around the whole area. Would make it a hazard to fight in since fights are very sprint heavy.

im just afraid of ppl using them to make doom fort-esque places 🤷

[night mountain]

idk if they'd do that though since it'd also be a hazard for the trikes

[hallow vigil]

maybe

[blazing charm]

Why would we need Argentino? We're already getting Brachi

[night mountain]

I just wanna see some rex hit a dryo burrow in a sprint and ragdoll face first into the dirt lmao

[neat flicker]

http://prntscr.com/obuiue

@covert oasis

[hallow vigil]

but trikes are more stationary fighters ive seen, they mainly stand in 1 place and alt turn to face their attackers so they dont come in and bite

[night mountain]

a proper giant sauropod WOULD be pretty cool

[covert oasis]

What

[night mountain]

that it's niche though, being argentino

[neat flicker]

Read the pinned messages. Posts with no substance stating to add them just to add them aren't allowed

[hallow vigil]

^

[night mountain]

the whole point is being a massive cool looking titanosaur thats a really rare spawn

[neat flicker]

That's the same thing as "add tarbosaurus just because it's a cool looking rex"

[night mountain]

"spectacular to look at"

[neat flicker]

Which also isn't allowed.

[brittle bough]

ah yes, the effort to make a whole model that does nothing but look cool

[night mountain]

I mean same for brachy, whats the point exactly of it not being pue

[blazing charm]

Hyper food?

[covert oasis]

What else would I add

I tried editing

[blazing charm]

Actually, a Giga pack could probably take it down.

[covert oasis]

But it got deleted

Not hyper or giga food

Do you know how massive such creature would be

[neat flicker]

What would be the point of adding it, what mechanics could it have to be different than brachi, pue, camara other than it being an ai and cool to look at

[brittle bough]

so again, the effort to make and rig a whole model.. to do nothing but look cool, and not even be food.

[neat flicker]

^

[blazing charm]

K so

[hallow vigil]

dinosaur suggestions need more than just "it would look very cool, etc". They need things like niches to fill, well-described behavior if theyre AI, what they would sound like, a justification for spending thousands of dollars to make them, etc

[covert oasis]

What’s the point of adding brachi then

[blazing charm]

It can't be strain food

it can't be giga food

[brittle bough]

brachi is.. edible. lol

[blazing charm]

So, Why

[neat flicker]

We'll use the tarbosaurus debacle for example. Why would the devs potentially spend $7,000+ to add something to look cool that potentially couldn't be killable

[covert oasis]

A brachi won’t be giga food for sure

[night mountain]

ok fine ill make a good spicy one

gimme a sec

[blazing charm]

How? All you'd have to do is bleed it out, it would take forever yeah.

But I feel like it'd still be possible.

Isn't that the whole point of Giga? To hunt big sauropods?

[hallow vigil]

brachi will be Ai that follows set paths on the map and im pretty sure some dinos (like gigas) will flesh-graze them? like take bites out of the leg to eat, rather than try and kill it

probably more that we dont know about

[blazing charm]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the flesh-grazing

[hallow vigil]

so it would provide a mechanic/niche for a playable dino

[blazing charm]

Hell, I feel like if you flesh-graze a single individual enough that could probably take it down.

[hallow vigil]

assuming flesh grazing becomes a thing

[night mountain]

Wait brachi follows set paths?

[hallow vigil]

i think so?

[night mountain]

huh, had no idea

[brittle bough]

:0

[hallow vigil]

iirc dondi said he would make them do that since theyre so big

but i may be wrong

[brittle bough]

i hope so, thatd be neat

[night mountain]

thats gonna make the giga population hell if they get flesh grazing, it'll be contstant food you can always find

[neat flicker]

it would have to, otherwise it would get stuck on random trees and small rocks

[valid zephyr]

they can't act like normal AI

aka your juvie utah gets hungry and game spawns a brachi for you

[neat flicker]

it's not like it's gonna be a brachi at every corner

So it won't be constant food

[hallow vigil]

it would be a challenge, considering one kick from those legs will probably kill anything

[covert oasis]

Or that brachi would be easy to get

[neat flicker]

What purpose would the ribs serve to spawn after the already ribs are eaten?

[blazing charm]

I think it'd just be an asthetic thing.

[neat flicker]

It would also add to server stress to keep something like that all over the map over time

[hallow vigil]

just a QoL thing i guess

ye

[night mountain]

is that better

[hallow vigil]

ye

thats a lot better

[blazing charm]

So, it just makes Herbivore's lives hell?

[night mountain]

No

[hallow vigil]

it would be like a natural disaster, like a forest fire

to shake things up

[night mountain]

just works as a mechanic to make food spawns slowly shift around the entire island to keep everyone from living in one spot

[brittle bough]

its the herbi hyper

[hallow vigil]

more bare trees = less cover for hunting carnis as well probably

[barren zephyr]

herbivores need competition or weather to encourage migrating which i like

[night mountain]

like droughts but cooler looking

[blazing charm]

Wha-Then why not just have food spawns be better?

Hell, there's supposed to be biomes with different food types, right?

[hallow vigil]

plus if all the herbs move, so do the carnis

[barren zephyr]

ITS NOT AS COOL.

[night mountain]

^

same with anything else tbh, why have rain when smell could just not work sometimes?

[hallow vigil]

and the tribals too probably, if tribals are mobile herd-following hunters (dondi once said they would have to be mobile to keep up with herds and hunt them for meat, but that was ages ago so dont quote me on it)

[night mountain]

also it'd be dangerous in general since like a lot of people would probably go by to look at it and you wouldn't really want those people coming by your base/nest/whatever if it was nearby

[blazing charm]

It just feels like an unsubtle way of doing a drought/famine.

Plus, then you'd have to decide if whether or not the Argentino can be killed by Hypers.

[brittle bough]

it could be that the hypers are the only things that can kill it, maybe?

[night mountain]

Make it doable for hypers to kill it but still really hard.

[brittle bough]

disaster vs disaster

[lilac swallow]

But arent hypers suposed to kill players and starve?

If you give them a huge ai prey doesnt that defeat their purpose?

[brittle bough]

it would be like, exactly one argentino though, whatre you on about

[night mountain]

There would be like one or two and it'd come with a high chance of killing the hyper so not really

[lilac swallow]

Idk

[night mountain]

make it like allos trying to fight a cama. Doable but good luck

[hallow vigil]

back when pue was in, it could fight off hypers pretty well. Idk if it was intentional or not though, but if it was, then argentino could probably fight them off as well

[night mountain]

yeah even pue can/has killed hypers

[neat flicker]

There won't really be hypers.. It will be incredibly hard to get one and it'd be nice to make the argentino as a fighter instead of a idle ai

So like Block said, it wouldn't really be worth the hassle

[night mountain]

just make it start running if stuff is biting it and give it a fuck off amount of trample damage lol

[brittle bough]

pffff

[sick crescent]

@twin burrow how you like the godly suggestion?

For Para

[twin burrow]

What now

[sick crescent]

@north vector you too

Jaffad made a new suggestion for Para

[north vector]

[sick crescent]

Kinda like Ark’s Para

But better

Like Isle is

Lol

[north vector]

Arks para is a fucking disgrace

That thing is ugly

[blazing charm]

To clarify, I don't intend for Para to become the new scout for Herbivores. While I feel the mechanic would be good for avoiding threats preemptively, I feel like Dryosarus is much more deserving of the scout/sentry role.

Since the mechanic I proposed is actually bad against threats that are within your vicinity.

[barren zephyr]

how about something more into herding

[twin burrow]

It's an interesting idea, is all I'll say

[sick crescent]

Isn’t the og Para thing an hp regen boost to dinos around it?

[blazing charm]

That, sounds like an awful idea.

[north vector]

Not sure about para really acting as a receiver of noise

It would work better as a producer

Emitting low frequency sounds on a cool down that detect animals in ots vicinity

[brittle bough]

@barren zephyr so you want to be able to turn in place, but you are dissatisfied by turning in place.. what control setup are you trying to suggest, exactly? do you want it so the dinosaur rotates in place unless you press w to go forward in the direction they're facing, rather than where you're looking?

or do you just want it to snap immediately to the direction you press, which imo is even more immersion breaking than having to stop and turn in place

[barren zephyr]

I have seen a bird turn with its legs in real life without it having to move foward.

lol

[brittle bough]

i did not dispute that. i said you dont like alt turn, which is turning in place, because you want to turn in place.

i then asked you to elaborate on what you want specifically.

[barren zephyr]

When ever i turn in the game with a carnivore one foot gets lifted and i am thinking to myslef am i a ballarina? That is what i am saying . It doesnt seem flexible.

[brittle bough]

i already said to you that they intend on giving alt turning proper animations.

you, in response, went to suggestions.

the current animations are temporary.

focus on mechanics, not aesthetics.

[barren zephyr]

I don't understand what problems they could be having. Maybe until they realease the new code we will see alot more.

[brittle bough]

???

they added alt turning because there was no turning in place at all before to my recollection. much like the current ai spawning system, it is a band-aid, and it has rough animations because of it. you're sat here complaining that you want to be able to turn in place to get away from the edge of a cliff, when alt turn exists and you're just upset at the temporary animations and thus seem to refuse to want to use it.

[barren zephyr]

All im saying is there should be a realistic way of turning your dinosaur.

[brittle bough]

how is alt turn not realistic then. describe a more realistic alternative, please.

with mechanics, not aesthetics, in mind.

[barren zephyr]

Both matter. Like most developers you take into consideration that your playerbase is going to consist of people who want better mechanics and improved aesthetics. The game is still early access and were here talking about wether my suggestion should be taken into consideration. Like the many others who have posted their own suggestions i too have a responsibility to carry out my own.

[brittle bough]

yes, both matter. thats why they are going to change the alt turning animation, because the current one is temporary. because we know that they are going to change it, telling them to fix alt turn's animations is akin to telling them to fix the T-posing falling animation that many dinosaurs have.

[barren zephyr]

Yes i agree i just don't think from a players perspective it makes any sense to be spinning around like a screwdriver and having your foot rotate a complete 360 degrees.

[brittle bough]

what part of temporary animations are you completely missing?

[barren zephyr]

I am just reassuring the suggestion and im sure many people before me have voiced the same thing.

[brittle bough]

your only issue with alt turn is with the animations then. we KNOW the animations will be changed. so there is actually no use in complaining about it.

[indigo sun]

So a mechanic is going to get proper animations but you keep saying the current mechanic doesnt look good enough at the moment so it should instead be replaced by something else entirely which would cause more work? I'm just trying to make sure i understand

Nesting's not even fully finished do you just not use that too? Cause theyre both unfinished

[night mountain]

Yeah like alt turn animations are a 100% planned thing, its like making a suggestion saying it'd be cool if they added ptera

[indigo sun]

Or stego

[barren zephyr]

Lets just wait until the next update comes. Im sure its going to be big and will include many of our suggestions. I posted mine because i can. No i dont hate the current system and i dont expect things to be completed in one full update. I understand that there is some missing stuff from the game and as every update passes by every mechanic you ever known of will be evolved just like the alt turning will eventually be replace with additional movement. I am just voicing a concern im not trying to start a protest.

[indigo sun]

The next update is just the coding i think

Not trying to argue but it's i think just the recode with maybe a few new things for combat

[neat flicker]

The next update isn't going to include any suggestions. It'll more than likely only be the recode and that's it.

[sick crescent]

Op

[neat flicker]

The recode enables better mechanics to return/be implemented at a faster pace

[barren zephyr]

Wow they said in march that the new code base is estimated to be done in a few months but weve already hit 4 months now without an update.

[sick crescent]

Wait nvm gonna ask in isle discussion

[neat flicker]

It hasn't been 4 months yet, it's been 3 months and some few weeks. It was already posted that there was a 30 day setback due to one of the coders having a flooded home

[indigo sun]

Not to mention how difficult of a task it is to change all the code over and figure out what useless shit the old coder put in has to be removed

You cant account for incidents like what happened with Looter, so its not like theyre meaning to take this long

[barren zephyr]

Well i personally expected it to take at least 6 months so i am not concerned or impatient bu i do hope that the coder is ok with his flooding issue.

[indigo sun]

He's back in his home, but if you expected it to take that long then why are you acting upset that it's taking longer than they thought it might
Man, this is why they shouldnt have given even the vaguest of estimates like "a few months"

[barren zephyr]

Well at least they said before that "cannot accurately provide an exact timeline"

[indigo sun]

@zinc void they're changing the way the clouds look. it was shown on one of dondi's streams

[zinc void]

oh

i dont watch them so idk

[north hemlock]

alright who deleted my suggestion

[indigo sun]

cant say "buff x"

[zinc void]

yeah

[neat flicker]

We need suggestions with substance. Suggestions that only say “buff this” aren’t allowed. @north hemlock

And I did

[north hemlock]

bruh

i put to make its damage and turn better

😔

[indigo sun]

say what you'd like it's damage and turn to be

that's how you fix it

[north hemlock]

i dont know its current stats

like the numbers

[indigo sun]

then look at them? there's like 80 spreadsheets

[north hemlock]

w h e re

[neat flicker]

No you didn’t. Please go into detail, all you said was “not make Carno terrible”

[indigo sun]

here i'll find one for you

[north hemlock]

make not*

[neat flicker]

Google, login to a server and look at its stats

[indigo sun]

here's a spreadsheet with the stats for all the dinosaurs in i believe survival
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LNIsS0NXxledmO4sYN8v7dmx5AnHIslJloyhKI9kKv8/edit#gid=0

[night mountain]

Why would you want to make things even WORSE for herbivores

keeping in mind herbivores are so bad currently even seeing a single one is rare

[zinc void]

i said the footsteps would be more easier to hear

[indigo sun]

that doesnt really change anything, considering the thing is still getting faster as it gets closer to its prey

unless youre lowering the base speed it starts at and it makes it increase to the current speed they have

[zinc void]

yeah thats what i meant

i was trying to reword it in my head before actually typing it but

[night mountain]

You mean like give everything acceleration like carno has?

[zinc void]

in a way

[indigo sun]

acceleration but weird

[paper tendon]

Yea no....

[indigo sun]

would that be added to carno too?

[zinc void]

i kinda got the idea off of carno

[night mountain]

tbh i hate carno is (I think) the only one who needs to build up speed

give it to everyone or no one

[indigo sun]

i think allo has the acceleration too but i might be wrong

been a while since i played it

[north hemlock]

trike has it when it trots

[zinc void]

it has momentum

[indigo sun]

or whatever it is

mememeh momentum proper terms fuck that

[zinc void]

lol?

[dreamy wharf]

Just because trikes can't be in herds anymore doesn't mean the herds themselves are easy to kill. If you've got a herd of maias as an example, they're nigh untouchable unless they're simply not playing attention. Everything else has been mentioned to be touched upon. Bonebreak is.. boned.. right now because it's just a very old and very dumb mechanic. Unsure of why rex needs the bonebreak right now, but I think it still has it only because I think he looses whatever he's trying to hunt if he doesn't stop it from outrunning him as his stamina is trash.

[pearl yoke]

bb is broken and i'm hoping that the recode fixes that, loads of maias are fast that's a good defence, but things like para or diablo get paced down by rexes or gigas (mainly gigas since rex trot is a bit trash)

trikes are the absoulte best herd defence other than tons of diablos and possibly paras

and a 4-5 trike limit would be okay in a herd

[rigid tartan]

@pearl yoke yeah lets make herbies unkillable to appease the carebears. theyr food. if u dont like being food. dont play them/complain when you become food.

[pearl yoke]

herbies aren't just food lol, they're meant to have gameplay just as carnis. most herbis have a bit of trouble defending themselves alone or in small groups if equal numbers challenge them, so herding is a viable tactic to survive. finding a big herd can be difficult at times so there are ways to kill herbis if you're not a one man non-apex and you're not completely retarded even if trikes are there. with affinity coming soon hopefully or other mechanics coming in to prevent corpse guarding so that you can go for the weaker members. trikes are a fear factor that will get you killed if you're playing it dumb.

(also if nobody plays herbis then where will you get your food )

[velvet tide]

any carni above a utah cant just live off of ai

without luck of course

[rigid tartan]

you pointed out herbies getting out paced or killed by apex's sadly thats whats supposed to happen. against most other carnies herbies are fine in defence.

are u kidding H2O? lol

[pearl yoke]

i've seen trikes get killed by allos easily lol

[rigid tartan]

then get better at being a trike? that isnt a balance issue

thats a skill issue

[pearl yoke]

preds may have the advantages but making herbis not fun isn't the answer

[rigid tartan]

allo's are like 2hits from an adult trike

[pearl yoke]

actually

it's desync issues

[rigid tartan]

1stomp probs

again so your point is moot....

its desync not a problem with the dino's

[pearl yoke]

allos can sometimes run straight through the trike hitbox

lots of things can lol

[rigid tartan]

and? theyr recoding, dont change the topic lol

[pearl yoke]

you said skill issue i said bug

sounds fair to me

[rigid tartan]

i fail to believe an allo kiling a trike can be put down to "bugs"

too much room for victory on the part of the trike.

[pearl yoke]

not all cases, but it happens nonetheless

[rigid tartan]

but a pack of allo's SHOULD be able to kill a trike anyway

[pearl yoke]

not two on two though

unless the trikes are retarded or smth

[rigid tartan]

ofcourse not. thats just stupid. those trikes need to l2p lol

point being, herbies are fine. the problems the over population with apex's stomping them

[pearl yoke]

because herbis aren't as fun now (not really the right word but i can't think of any better ones atm lol)

[rigid tartan]

i keep hearing that.

[pearl yoke]

trikes won't end a fight but they're a scare factor

[rigid tartan]

thats because (the big secret) is the carnivores are more fun. lol

[pearl yoke]

and being a trike turns lonely after a bit

ngl i agree there

but i wish herbis were fun

or well

more fun

[rigid tartan]

only way you make herbies more "fun" is give them something that doesn't upset the balance of prey and predator

[velvet tide]

game needs work

thats really all that can be said

[pearl yoke]

trike mixpacking won't upset the balance, it'll just mean that apexes and smaller dinos need to plan their attacks more

things will come in time, yeah

[rigid tartan]

agree'd

devs clearly dont want apex's mixing with normal dino's tho

and thats a good decision tbh

set some lines

the reason people want trikes in herds is so they can go out, attack a carnivore then have a safe place to regain their hp behind the trike. and i think its good they dont have that anymore thats not really herbi behavior lol

[pearl yoke]

i agree with the no apex mixing, but maybe having one or two trikes in a herd. it does need to be fair so maybe mechanics will debuff trikes for overly protecting other herd members like shielding them

kinda like the stress of carrying the team

[rigid tartan]

thats the point tho.. the trikes ARE the herd. without them nothing in that herd can really stand up to an apex so theyr pretty much redundant

if they kept everything as it was rn, and made apex's alot harder to achieve. it would be more fun for the herbies.and tbh more satisfying for the carnivores

[pearl yoke]

that's why i'd like at least one trike in a herd, have some extra muscle so it's not always "run and pray to whoever created you that it doesn't follow me"

[barren zephyr]

But here is the thing though since when trikes weren’t mixpacking now there abundant amount of mid tiers than every compared last patch there were way too many apexes they are still neeed to go down. But anyways when they removed the mixpack with trikes now such as big packs such as dilos and utahs and ceratos and allo could actually hunt them instead of having only apexes can only take them on

[rigid tartan]

isnt that the life of a herbivore in reality tho? stay in big packs and when something comes hope it doesnt pick you.

its a good change clueless

[barren zephyr]

Because as mid tier it is so annoying you dmg them so badly and they stay under the trike

[pearl yoke]

that's where i want someting to prevent that, dino collision or something

[rigid tartan]

you wont really get it. its hard to do. probably why they have set no mixpacking

[pearl yoke]

trike's not very agile so it's not hard to pack hunt a single one

[rigid tartan]

same with any dino bigsucc

i've killed adult rex's on a 4pack of cerato's its all down to if u get them alone. no1 is safe lol

[barren zephyr]

I like this rule change it is good step in the direction because it there is a reason to make big groups of mid tiers instead only have to play apexes to hunt everything

[rigid tartan]

well said clueless.

[pearl yoke]

yeah, i do like that shift

more smalls and mids so that i'm not always alone

[rigid tartan]

as it goes. if super herds become a thing again.. mass apex's will become a thing again

[pearl yoke]

but now trikes are kinda scarce as far as i've seen

[rigid tartan]

eh i still play trike its just annoying when u run into apex's breaking the 3limit rule

[pearl yoke]

i would i just don't enjoy the solo game with herbis

maybe only allowing packing with pachy and down

that'd be pretty okay imo

paras are tough and maias are fast

[rigid tartan]

they need a more innovative group/nest system INSIDE the game. having to rely on discord is poor design. and it should be a suggestion that a group/nesting system is put into a menu so you can be spawned in/find others of your species easily.

[pearl yoke]

diablo is..there

[barren zephyr]

Maybe make herbie faster growth besides maia takes abit longer

[pearl yoke]

yEs they do need that

instead of saying that other species are "already in a group" have a menu

in the group tab

[rigid tartan]

and a menu that maybe says what eggs are available/what they are

[pearl yoke]

then we'd get stronger herds

[rigid tartan]

some people just wanna log in and see an egg ready, would be nice lol

[pearl yoke]

yeah

and having herbis have some sort of gameplay like carni hunting, maybe finding buff herbs or something

[rigid tartan]

carni hunting should never be a herbi thing xD

[pearl yoke]

oh heck i typed that weird

i meant similar to how carnis have hunting

didn't notice that lol

[rigid tartan]

ohh ok lol

[barren zephyr]

But i do believe that herbies should be able to defend their turf

But I don’t agree how maias could go hunting for utahs dilos literally😂

[steady cosmos]

Finding friends as trike isnt that hard lol

Finding apex carnivores is easier however

Maia should definitely not bonebreak

Pachy should be able to bonebreak up to carno

[pearl yoke]

stationary attacks should bb up to carno

maia could maybe break cerato or allo but i'm not too sure

[valid zephyr]

The issue is whenever herbis get anything at all, any ability or stat buff, they use it for running round the map hunting down all carnis they see, rather than defence. Which makes all the carni players keep calling for nerfs on them to the point of them being useless.

Removing trikes doesn't stop the herbis chasing down carnis, as they still do it without fail when I see them.

Trikes were never the issue, and it's just make things worse for the people playing properly now they can't mix.

[rigid tartan]

the issue is alot of herbie players want to play them like carni's and they wont ever be that play style. and i mean well whatever if u wanna play it like that fine... just stop crying when you get eaten lol.

[valid zephyr]

but how do you make herbis balanced, viable, and fun, without them using that to chase down and murder things

if you make them weaker than carnis, they are just food and no one wants to play them, if you make them stronger they go on KoS rampages

[rigid tartan]

exactly. and tbh i think its better to have the former than the latter

[valid zephyr]

I disagree personally. If herbis are so unpopular due to being just food, then they should be AI.

[rigid tartan]

yeah they should lol. MOST herbies SHOULD be a.i theyr pretty useless and bland

the only ones that shouldn't be A.I are the ones that actually give carni's a run for their money (stego's and trikes etc)

[valid zephyr]

They didn't used to be though. It's just the constant nerfs on them that have made them like that.

[pale prairie]

most herbivores in the game do give their carnivore counterparts a run for their money.

[rigid tartan]

there isnt CONSTANT nerfs tho. alot of this comes down to the players and herbies do actually fight well if played right

i agree duck.

[pale prairie]

a good galli player can murder a utah or two before it dies.

[barren zephyr]

nah

[pale prairie]

dilos drop dead when a maia sees them

[rigid tartan]

its the med tier herbies trying to fight apex's that always make me laugh when they cry out for nerfs on apex's

[violet magnet]

except for dryo because it doesn't really have a carnivore counterpart

[pale prairie]

right, but dryo only takes 30 minutes to reach adult and shouldn't be fighting anything at all anyway.

[rigid tartan]

^

[valid zephyr]

Back in progression herbis could mixherd at will (and be in same chat), they cost a ton less points to progress, and carni apexes were rare due to lack of AI.

Every single one of those points is now gone

[barren zephyr]

most herbis ingame only have slight strength over their carnivorous counterparts

[pale prairie]

it's more of a spectator animal than anything else

[barren zephyr]

the carnivores have everything else

[pale prairie]

something you can easily grow in very little time and use to run around the map watching others

[rigid tartan]

because theyr meant to saint?

[valid zephyr]

the med tier herbis are never asking for nerfs on apexes. people are asking trikes to stand a better chance.

[rigid tartan]

point is. carni's NEED to on the most part, kill another player to stay alive. herbies dont. THAT is why they'r under powered

[barren zephyr]

yea but like para v allo is a 50 50

[violet magnet]

carni apexes were also rare because the much cheaper and less time intensive herbivores (SHANTS) could progress up to a super powerful herbi in a quarter of the time it took to grow a rex and then go kill every carni on the map

[valid zephyr]

except allo gets way better stam and regen.

[barren zephyr]

it doesnt not matter if para can "3 shot allo"

allo will assride it

its turn and alt are so shit

[rigid tartan]

if you get assride. you suck lol

[violet magnet]

its healing is shit

[barren zephyr]

@rigid tartan skill doesnt exist in a clicking simulator my dudette

[violet magnet]

like yeah sure para can 3 shot an allo but the allo has to be dumb enough to come at it from the front, para gets bitten each time, then para is down healing for the next 2 hours

[pale prairie]

herbivores should be stronger than their carnivore counterparts.
but carnivores should have certain mechanics (suchs as bleed, pounce, bonebreak, etc.) to give them the advantage in a fight.
but base stats alone, herbivores should be stronger.

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr the only skill in this game is 1. first attack and 2. positioning e.g fighting an allo in the middle of an open field as a para then complaining it got behind u lel.

other than that its click all day erry day

[night mountain]

I like that people are talking like herbi killsquads are a bad thing

they're fun

[violet magnet]

how's para's bleed resist anyway? Like could it run til its stam bar is out with one allo bite and live?

[valid zephyr]

The issue is realistically the allo pack would single off a para and bring it down, and the rest of the herd would flee.

In TI either the allos are stronger and wipe every single para, or the paras are stronger and wipe the allos.

[barren zephyr]

its funny cause like old para v allo was way more intresting as you needed atleast 2 more allos to take it down. it was a risky and fun big game hunt for allos

[violet magnet]

or every single para runs in to defend their herdmate and ends up dying by their own stupidity

just run bois

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr but you're naive if you think people are gonna play a game like animals live "BETTER RUN GUYS"

[pale prairie]

and that's why unofficial servers have those stupid body rules

[night mountain]

the body rules DO solve a lot of problems tbh

dont get me wrong i like mass killing but

[pale prairie]

they cause more problems than they solve.

[barren zephyr]

now para loses to a creature more common than it and was supposed to hunt it in packs

[violet magnet]

i play a server with body drop rules and there's mass killing anyway

[valid zephyr]

I'm honestly wondering if making herbis have shorter growth times is the best option

[pale prairie]

"oh i killed this parasaur, right better log out and check my replay aswell as constantly keep an eye on discord to make sure i don't get reported for playing the game"

[valid zephyr]

atm there will be about 2 paras on the map vs 25 allos

[rigid tartan]

all the rules are broken anyway theyr just "soft" rules.. they have no actually physical ingame limits stopping any of these things.

just lazy x]

[violet magnet]

body drops, every carnivore in the vicinity is supposed to share it, unless the carnivore that killed it wants to guard it, then the other carnivores turn on the defending carni instead of just going to hunt for themselves

y tho

[barren zephyr]

servers with body down are so shit

[rigid tartan]

they really need to stop with these "rules" bull shit and think more of "mechanics" that control them

rules are for kids.

[barren zephyr]

i want to play galli now and murder all the utahs at port to trigger the admins

[valid zephyr]

affinity might solve body camping

[night mountain]

gameplay tip: go to nycta and be galli and destroy everyones nests, people get furious and admins side with you since its not even against the rules :^)

[valid zephyr]

but herbis need a way to move bodies away from their nests

[pale prairie]

rules are only on official servers currently because the mechanics that will replace the rules (such as the affinity system, etc) are not finished, and players want to enjoy the game on official servers now rather than having massive death squads of 40 rexes walking around the map, slayer.

[night mountain]

make attacking bodies destroy them lmao

[valid zephyr]

otherwise a single utah can suicide charge a trike nest and ruin the entire herds affinity

[violet magnet]

then at any given time 90% of the server is playing an apex and hunts literally as soon as the food disappears, and ruins the fun for everybody in midtier packs because they can't hunt with a body down, so..."KOS" happens

[barren zephyr]

give trike the ability to carry corpses kek

[valid zephyr]

attacking bodies to destroy them is an awful idea

[night mountain]

let herbis eat corpses

[valid zephyr]

would mean herbis remove every body to starve carnis

[violet magnet]

let taco eat corpses

[night mountain]

have all food be destructable

[rigid tartan]

@pale prairie that doesnt stop the point that people "understand" that the game is a work in progress and the things coming will fix these things theyr complaining about, but still decide hey fuck it lets cry and whinge on a daily goddamn basis. lol

[night mountain]

and make it so you can shit in lakes to make it un drinkable

[barren zephyr]

it would be so funny seeing a trike take a kill form utahs and throw it into a lake while the utahs deal 0 dmg to the trike

[night mountain]

LOL

god i hope herbs get body carrying

[rigid tartan]

why would they. i dont even..

[valid zephyr]

yeah but hopefully bodies will float to shore soon

[night mountain]

to move em away from ests

nests

[violet magnet]

baby trikes perched up on their parents' horns is why

[rigid tartan]

yeah lets give herbies a mechanic 1.they dont need and 2. they will just abuse anyway

sounds like a good idea -,-

[night mountain]

exactly

[pale prairie]

i never said it did, i was just saying it's not "lazy" to help improve the official servers with better rules now and implement the replacing mechanics later rather than implementing rushed versions of the mechanics asap

[valid zephyr]

@rigid tartan herbs need body pushing to move bodies away from the nests.

Otherwise a single utah could suicide charge a nest, and ruin the entire herds affinity.

[rigid tartan]

move nest. ez

[valid zephyr]

by the time you have an egg ready somone else would have suicide charged

[pale prairie]

won't be so "ez" in the future though.

[rigid tartan]

you're implying egg growing timer wil stay as long as it is now.

[valid zephyr]

a utah pack can make bodies faster than you can make eggs

[rigid tartan]

which if it does, is just dumb

[pale prairie]

it will be longer, slayer.

[rigid tartan]

stupid .lol

[valid zephyr]

a single utah should not be able to force entire trike herds to move

[pale prairie]

different animals will have different gestation periods.

[rigid tartan]

they already do.

[pale prairie]

and incubation speeds

no, they don't.

[violet magnet]

just destroy a nest with 4 eggs in it and go put another one down somewhere else, lol

"ez"

[pale prairie]

everything gestates and incubates eggs in the same amount of time, currently.

[night mountain]

if thats how it works im definitely gonna go jvi galli and sucide charge nests. Either they can kill me and trash their affinity, or i can kick the nest to death, their choice. :^)

[pale prairie]

everything also has the same amount of eggs per female/nest, which will change in the future aswell.

[valid zephyr]

bodies ruining affinity is needed to stop herbi corpse guarding.

herbis pushing bodies is needed to stop suicide charge affinity ruining.

[pale prairie]

example being, trike having 4 offspring at the most while galli can have 6 or more.

[rigid tartan]

well they need to make nesting more appealing because atm its just off putting

all the time incubating, then all the time as hatchling

just spawn and run.

[night mountain]

or be ptera, fly around to find nests easy and land on them and make them either kill me or i kill their nest

lol

[pale prairie]

yeah, i believe nesting will improve your affinity in the future if i'm not mistaken

[violet magnet]

nested in dinos will get some kind of perk i think...?

[pale prairie]

affinity will be really important, from the information we have, it seems to be that way.

oh yeah, i forgot.

spawned in animals will have that "tracker" thing from the mercs.

[valid zephyr]

I just know that bodies lowering affinity will be used by carnis to grief herbi nests.

[pale prairie]

nested animals will not.

so nested utahraptors will have an easy time sneaking up on/ambushing humans than spawned in utahraptors will.

[valid zephyr]

"oh look at those trikes with 12 eggs combined and 4 hatchlings dependent on the nest for food" one suicide utah charge and have to all move

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr then just suggest an "omnivorous" dino that is allowed to mixpack with herbies. it will fill the clean up crew role.

[valid zephyr]

galli i think was omnivore irl

[rigid tartan]

nuff said then

[night mountain]

galli had no real way to eat a large corpse

gallis are also little shits you want nowhere near a nest

[pale prairie]

pretty sure dondi doesn't want any omnivores in the game, things may have changed though.

[valid zephyr]

it isn't the large corpses that are the issue. if a rex falls in your nest dead then you should move. It's the expendable suicide utahs

[night mountain]

kicking babies to death is a tried and true galli pasttime, people sure as hell wont trust them

[valid zephyr]

also the gallis would just eat the hatchlings too!

[pale prairie]

that might lower your affinity though.

killing another herbivores juvenile/hatchling as an herbivore would lower your affinity, i would think.

[night mountain]

i mean, ways around it

my plan would just be to kick the nest a lot

or stand on top of the nest and spam broadcast to lure in carnis

would be hard for affinity to stop that one

and if they kill you, have fun moving

[pale prairie]

huh, but what if gallimimus food is nowhere near any other herbivore food?

[night mountain]

galli is fast as hell covering ground is no biggie

i'd prolly do it with ptera though

pteras gonna be the species of choice for screwing with people lol

[pale prairie]

maybe, maybe not.

[night mountain]

why would it not be

it has everything you need to make someone miserable lol

[pale prairie]

you may not be able to fly for very long, a grounded ptera is a dead ptera.

[night mountain]

thats the point

land on the nest and start biting it

no matter what happend the herbs lose

happens*

[violet magnet]

watch pteras take over all the rocks

shove the utahs off

[night mountain]

ptera also can fly a long time

its confirmed

flying will take almost no stam

going up takes stam but thats it

[pale prairie]

pretty sure it was stated that ptera will have "realistic flying" unlike certain other games.

i'd imagine it could glide for a decent amount of time, but any longer than 15 minutes in the air should drain your stamina completely.

[violet magnet]

in 15 minutes it could probably cross v3

omg

15

[rigid tartan]

lol

135minute fly time

xD

[violet magnet]

just fly laps around the whole map

[night mountain]

all i can tell you is i kept fear mongering in chat ptera would have shit flying time until devs came and straight said pteras flight will take basically no stam. They said going up will take a little, and doing a "quicker than normal takeoff" will drain a big chunk

[rigid tartan]

AFTER flying, doesnt say how long u be up there

[pale prairie]

hopefully it will have horrible stamina regen

[rigid tartan]

😛

[pale prairie]

never said it did? i was adding on to what i was saying earlier.

[night mountain]

i mean horrible stam regen doesn't mean anything though, just land on rocks or cliffs or whatever and you're still untouchable

[violet magnet]

fast food and water drain?

would keep pteras from just hanging out on cliffs all the time

maybe they'd need to fish and have to be careful with their stam

[night mountain]

im going to be so bummed when ptera inevitably can;t drink saltwater

i wish mosre games recognized that kinda stuff

more*

[lilac swallow]

@valid zephyr ai shouldnt spawn for anyone at all, It shouldnt be spawning around carnis

It shouldnt spoon feed adults nor juvies

[night mountain]

I still think the best suggestion is to keep ai spawns as they are but the longer you sit in one spot the higher the chance of the ai that spawns being a huge hostile brachi :^)

rip afkers

[blazing charm]

Doesn't mention Bary for diving

[night mountain]

sin

[indigo sun]

he did say "etc" so maybe etc means bary

if it hasnt been forgotten

[night mountain]

make rex able to dive like in ark

[pulsar lake]

I want a ptera with a good stam like galli and a regen like utah for stam

[violet magnet]

"etc" because "what's that other fisher from sandbox again mmmmmm just etc"

[valid zephyr]

The AI system in general is broken now, but I was just suggesting that as somthing under the current system.

[lilac swallow]

Under the current system is ok, but lets hope the current system is scraped

[valid zephyr]

There just needs to be somthing that means apexes are such a joke to grow. and making them take even longer or making their food drain stupidly quick arn't good options

all that would do is make them not fun to play

[lilac swallow]

In fact i think that herbi/carni population balance would be balanced if carnis needed to hunt for every food even if that food is ai

[valid zephyr]

it was balanced before AI was a thing, and as the map was R2 you saw other players a lot

trouble is V3 with no AI would but physically impossible for carnis

[lilac swallow]

Ideally ai should be like a player more, meaning It tries to survive, It doesnt spawn around anyone and that the hunter has to actually search and hunt it

[valid zephyr]

thing is V3 is still too big even for that given current AI limits.

[lilac swallow]

True

[valid zephyr]

AI should act more like players though

spawn in certain zones, and try to run/fight/eat/drink

[lilac swallow]

Exactly

[valid zephyr]

even making ava fight back like velos do right now would kill the apex pop

as it would make being juvie dangerous

[lilac swallow]

Ai is indeed needed, a juvie utah just cant survive in this map if It needs to wait for a corpse to be casually withing scent range. But ai cant be kept like It is currently

[violet magnet]

maybe it stops spawning when u hit .8

or something

[valid zephyr]

Even thenyaw wasn't this bad for apex spam

it's just a combo of the ai and map size

[indigo sun]

@runic finch suggestions containing "buff x/nerf y" such as "make this stronger" aren't permitted. Also Bary is a sandbox dinosaur and thus is not balanced

so i mean, it's kinda useless to buff it when it's not in the game mode actively getting worked on

[barren zephyr]

@indigo sun
didnt dondi buff herra at one point tho?

never say never

lol

[indigo sun]

I'm not sure when youre referring to

[barren zephyr]

well now you know.

Herra has been buffed awhile ago.

so never say never on sandbox dinos 😛

[indigo sun]

What was the buff?

[barren zephyr]

damage.

[indigo sun]

Ah

[barren zephyr]

yeh.

[indigo sun]

Well i suppose it's possible it could be buffed then. Doesnt change the fact that that counts as an invalid suggestion as just "make x stronger" though unfortunately

[barren zephyr]

you can...but you need to go in more detial

right?

[indigo sun]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

eh

bary is strong enough

well

actually, not really

[indigo sun]

You can say "make bary's biteforce 250" (i dont know how strong it is) or something but saying to just make something stronger isnt allowed

[barren zephyr]

yeh

[ebon trout]

make it not a bad utah lol

[blazing charm]

@floral plover Mind explaining?

[floral plover]

Yeah, basically when a Dino dies it takes time for them to like fall and just die, it's a slow motion death, even for a example a Utah jumping with bleed dies mid air then takes time for it to fall like someone is holding it

[indigo sun]

You mean the ragdolling?

[floral plover]

If that makes sense?

[brittle bough]

i think i know what they mean, in the devtest map ive seen a corpse occasionally sloooowly descend through the air. seems like wonky ragdolling more than anything

[blazing charm]

Ah, that's just ragdoll physics being iffy.

[floral plover]

It's been like that for a really long time.

[brittle bough]

will the recode be fixing any of the physics/ragdoll issues?

[blazing charm]

Only time will tell.

[brittle bough]

eh
well theres your best hope for that being resolved lul

[blazing charm]

I'd assume so, I am just not giving a definitive answer because I genuinely don't know

[night mountain]

I'm still hoping for them to break the shit out of ragdoll physics for deathmatch servers

would be fun