and you know, the developer team is adding fatalities or something
#general-feedback-discussion
lament kayak
so maybe a rex is more likely to perform one quicker
Actually, are any of you familiar with the doom glory kill system?
viral creek
I've never played doom, so na
lament kayak
Ah, well
once you shoot a demon enough, it becomes stunned and within a short time you can perform a brutal execution and gain extra health and sometimes bullets from this glory kill
Now that brings me more ideas
viral creek
You should put it all in a suggestion 😛
I'm interested in hearing it but I'm multitasking lol
night mountain
whats gigas hunger even like? Like is getting a good bit of food every 10 minutes enough to sustain it entirely?
viral creek
Not sure, I haven't played giga in ages.
But from what I've heard, his hunger goes down a decent bit faster than rex.
ebon trout
90 minute stomach
viral creek
Thank you
ebon trout
Which is the same as rex iirc
viral creek
I guess they were wrong lol
ebon trout
Id love to keep a trike buddy around to just to graze off of it lol
viral creek
Giga won't be flesh grazing trikes
Trike is too small for that, and giga will probs just get speared.
ebon trout
Yeah i know haha i get that alot
viral creek
but on a serious note, the mechanic simply won't allow you to graze something like a trike
(even if you could, that would just be such a bad idea lol)
night mountain
Im just scared of it being giga playstyle is following a brachi around to make sure you never starve with some other gigas and then breaking off to murder anything else you happen to see or anything that comes to look at the brachi
viral creek
tbh, that sounds like a terrible idea
Brachi is a huge animal
Following that thing around for ages will attract a lot of attention
bad attention
like uh... rexes
and packs of smaller animals, which will become an issue (due to alt turn nerf)
night mountain
That said I am also a biased large sauropod main who really wants one to be nigh untouchable so i can roam around and chill with everyone lol
viral creek
lol
night mountain
oh fair
night mountain
I guess ptera WILL be the better spectator species anyway
night mountain
i'd hope the blue aura problem will be fixed with the new water mechanics
finite perch
I hope they use my suggestion 😳
prisma ermine
i hope that they bring the isle to the xbox one
normal wolf
i hope they lauch the sandbox dinos soon cuz im tired to die to a spino that i cant play with or i have to pay more to play with...
gentle blade
You can play sandbox game modes, there's servers that are sandbox
gentle blade
Ah I see, yeah. some dinos are coming to survival, others I believe are either unsure or becoming AI.
normal wolf
yeah, i hope it come soon lol
night mountain
Why would you want to make it so servers can't use sandbox species if they want to? Just play on servers that dont use them if you want
gentle blade
It takes a while but the quality is worth the wait.
normal wolf
i didnt found a server with good ping or people playing without sandbox dinos
i would appreciate if u can lead me to them @night mountain
night mountain
oh true, idk then I play sandbox species mostly or on the officials to grief people so idk
normal wolf
and i dont see full servers, if there were more ai like maias, parassaurs.
night mountain
idk, its really easy to not starve as a carnivore
if you just chill in one spot ai spawns literally on top of you regularly
normal wolf
yeah i know that, but avas make nothing they are boring
tacos and oros, i dont have to talk about lol
i want more life in the v3 island u know
night mountain
I mean yeah but everything else is actual players so just depends what they feel like doing
brachi and fish soon
normal wolf
brachi?
i crossed the map last night from murky pond to radio tower in a server with 75/100 and i only found a rex, i didnt heard herb sounds, only few little carnivores
night mountain
yeah brachiosaurus ai
night mountain
Not that brachi will really be killable but it'll be cool
normal wolf
i want to hunt like a carnivore and defend like herbs did when they were alive 😉
night mountain
out of curiosity what sandbox species was killing you?
barren zephyr
lemme guess acro
neat flicker
@formal vine I believe they said once upon a time ago, that alt turn was going to be forced onto all servers eventually. But like you said, it would be nice to have the animation as well for it. I'm not sure if their plans have changed regarding forcing it, but it looks like sometime in the future, it'll happen.
ebon trout
Yeah makes sense once its tuned and balanced properly that it would be forced. I mean its a pretty big mechanic Just needs tuned up 😄
barren zephyr
Fuck alt turn, it makes apexes indestructible
But I guess a Utah would never be able to kill an apex in real life anyways
brittle bough
ngl considering there seems to be a fairly even split of people who like and dont like alt turn i kind of wish the toggle wasnt going to be forced out, as it stands both sides can be happy as long as theyve got both options in servers to play
lilac swallow
mental sleet
the problem is that the game will be balanced around alt turn being a thing
lilac swallow
Apexes are slower and grow slower
mental sleet
so those players without alt turn will have a game so skewered that it won't be feasible.
brittle bough
fair enough, i reckon after combat is fixed ill probably feel different about it
lilac swallow
If you fucking want to kill apex be ome yourself
barren zephyr
killing apexes should be a challenge and not an easy kill for packs
rex and trike work fine
lilac swallow
Not even packs, a solo utah can kill an apex in no alt turn
lilac swallow
No
barren zephyr
Yes
lilac swallow
Imagine not running from apex as utah
@wintry cipher love the suggestion, didnt read whole as i got no time but what i have seen i good
neat flicker
@wheat hemlock A queue is a highly requested feature and is being looked into sometime after the recode 👍
lilac swallow
As op said, queue is pretty likely
Im on cinema going to see a movie sorry for no readingbthe whole suggestion keit
wintry cipher
^^. I like both night times but I feel that our current one would be more suitable to places without natural lighting available. I do recommend reading it all tho once you get the time! I'd like to try and come up with a better solution as mine was fairly vague
wintry cipher
I might see if I can actually draw what I mean when I try and make a more detailed post on a solution. That or Photoshop some screenshots....hmmm
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr
do you know what an apex is.
They arent something you should really be able to kill as a mid tier or low tier.
an Apex Predator is something that has no natural predators and thefore you should not really be hunting them
So it only makes more sense they are indestructible
indigo sun
mids tiers would likely have an easier go at it but it should still be difficult because theyre hard as fuck to kill
barren zephyr
"But I guess a Utah would never be able to kill an apex in real life anyways" scroll up
viral creek
Making galli faster is kinda unnecessary
His turn rate is so god, that anything that can outrun him still has a hard time catching him
Legit juked a ambushing utah pack of 12 as a galli
then came back for more
juked them for like 5 mins then fucked off lol
tender latch
Galli is too fast
indigo sun
it's a dinosaur literally built for running how is it too fast
steady cradle
horses are too fast God pls nerf
grand brook
ostriches op pls nerf
steady cradle
there's some animal, I forgot what it is but it runs at around 100km/h
that needs a nerf
I thinking has horn in its name
you get the point
deep bolt
Stop
indigo sun
i think they were saying that giga doesnt need nerfs and that the devs shouldnt listen to people who care about legitimate balance
indigo sun
lowest anyone has suggested is 400-450
barren zephyr
May I tag the discord mods
indigo sun
go ahead
quaint raven
400 is too much
quaint raven
because it's the most annoying dino
indigo sun
no it's not even a suggestion is what it is
quaint raven
compared to Rex
indigo sun
well dont compare it to rex
barren zephyr
no its not
indigo sun
because it's not a rex
quaint raven
Why Rex an Giga is opponent
barren zephyr
it needs a tone down
barren zephyr
no it doesnt
quaint raven
it can 1v2 giga
indigo sun
giga isnt meant to be winning against rex anyway
neat flicker
"Nerf x" or "don't nerf" type of suggestions aren't allowed. If you're going to make a suggestion, please put more thought into it as to how it could be changed to the betterment of the dino
barren zephyr
and the bite force.
quaint raven
why dont people want to see it towned down
barren zephyr
Because its perfectly balanced the way it is
an ambush hunter that hits really hard
30 seconds of stamina relies you to stay close
quaint raven
why remove my suggestion!!
barren zephyr
read what the mod said
quaint raven
i saw people posting before me
barren zephyr
that is why
quaint raven
nerf and stuff
neat flicker
"Nerf x" or "don't nerf" type of suggestions aren't allowed. If you're going to make a suggestion, please put more thought into it as to how it could be changed to the betterment of the dino @slow loom
quaint raven
i said not to change tat
indigo sun
Mr. Jerry's suggestion should get deleted too
neat flicker
It already is
barren zephyr
Sweet justice
barren zephyr
if the stats are ok why did you make a whole essay about nerfing both apexes
quaint raven
that was to the counter to other suggestion before me who want giga to get Nurfed
it's still there
neat flicker
quaint raven
it's there before me suggestion
indigo sun
they put actual things that could be changed
quaint raven
i just wanted not to change Giga stat
so people can read it
and know what's going on
indigo sun
then say "dont change giga's stats" instead of going on some weird ass tangent
barren zephyr
Giga is probably set to be toned down and you wont be doing anything about it when it happens because a majority of players with a braincell knows how overtuned it is.
it wont be toned down to hell
just more fair like rex
if it happens
quaint raven
so that's what i dnt wanted
indigo sun
rex can actually be killed by smaller things, whereas the only thing that can kill a giga is rex
quaint raven
i want the admins or the officals to know
barren zephyr
why would they care about a single person that just doesnt want it nerfed?
indigo sun
its not
barren zephyr
You dont bring valid points why it shouldnt
indigo sun
and almost everyone knows this except for you and UncleRaptor
barren zephyr
You just say "rex kills it"
quaint raven
Well you deleted my suggestion
gritty helm
idk about that statement "only thing that can kill giga is a rex"
barren zephyr
"save giga stat"
You sound so much like uncleraptor
i swear to god
i must be paranoid
quaint raven
There are some people who likes giga
gritty helm
with a good pack of Dilo's I've been able to take down a giga although i'll admit it was a tedious process lol
slow loom
Hey who has my name lol
indigo sun
i think giga is really cool, but i'd like to actually do what it's meant to do instead of shredding mid tiers instantly because of the fucked to shit bite force
neat flicker
Oh sorry did I tag the wrong alien
slow loom
It ok
indigo sun
?
barren zephyr
Your opinion is that giga should be a rex carbon copy
slow loom
I like the gigantic the way it is the dilos the ones needing fixed
quaint raven
Giga should have some thing with Rex dont have
barren zephyr
bruh
indigo sun
your opinion was some long winded rant with no actual substance about the suggestion a few messages above yours
barren zephyr
giga has everything
quaint raven
it's 6 hours to grow
barren zephyr
Giga has EVERYTHING
all rex has over giga is speed and bone break
giga has trot speed
stamina regen
alot of stamina
quaint raven
and within 6 hours yoou could kill giga
barren zephyr
much better bleed
indigo sun
what dinosaurs besides rex is giga bad against?
quaint raven
easy
neat flicker
The point is that simple suggestions that simply say keep it as is or nerf x isn't allowed without any actual substance. The best place to write such a thing would be #401481402782056460
quaint raven
i have seen people post before me want giga Nurf
barren zephyr
theres no way you are not uncleraptor
quaint raven
so that's ther reply
indigo sun
it's not the same style of typing i dont think
barren zephyr
it is
indigo sun
maybe a relative
barren zephyr
the same broken english
the same giga bias behaviour
the same stubborn nature
i am 100% sure its uncleraptor
indigo sun
and didn't even respond to my question
barren zephyr
and now hes quiet
indigo sun
I asked you a question because giga sucks so damn bad apparently. What else kills giga besides rex?
what else
barren zephyr
🤦
gritty helm
"easily" he says
quaint raven
Rex can easily Kill giga
slow loom
Spoons kill giga
indigo sun
spino isnt balanced
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus is not survival
indigo sun
so that's not a good example. it's not in survival
barren zephyr
We are talking about current state
Only rex can reliably kill a giga.
Trike is too slow and giga facetanks it
slow loom
True
quaint raven
you dont know what you talking about Giga cannot face tank Trike
barren zephyr
yes it can
quaint raven
Trike will easily win face tank
barren zephyr
Trike needs 14 hits to kill a giga
slow loom
Also depends on player
quaint raven
not if Trike stomp
barren zephyr
Sure try to sotmp
stomop
Stomp*
giga bites fast
a single stomp and he can land 3-4 more bites free
quaint raven
half of the bite wont register
quaint raven
you havent been playing Giga have you
indigo sun
trike should not be stomping against a giga
either you were bad or the trike was infinitely better
neat flicker
Alright this is starting to get off topic, let's bring it to #401464048610312195 to discuss how a trike fights a giga
😃
barren zephyr
@red karma then you'll make it so herbis also do more damage when they feel threatened because they are defending their herd and their own lives
Thefore doesnt change anything at all
neat flicker
@daring salmon This would be the proper channel to discuss suggestions posted
daring salmon
gotcha
paper oriole
If the giga is shit yea
lilac swallow
Exactly
brittle bough
@coarse shell do you mean when someone brushes past it, or by default, or..? im fairly certain that with a high enough setting, foliage does constantly move
coarse shell
brittle bough
making it constantly move even on minimal settings would probably raise the minimum specs, ill play with the settings rq since i dont remember which one causes it
it seems that having effects on at least medium makes foliage move, on low theyre static
brittle bough
@valid flower
valid flower
Oh lol
thorny lynx
I really hate how most dinos sway back and forth like irritated cockatiels.
night mountain
"Alt turn existed around the time of bonebreak and thus, its balanced. When bonebreak is added, its balanced that if you break an opponents bone they cant alt turn, making it less OP." lmao wat
bb getting buffs is like, the absolute last thing anyone needs
tender latch
@neat flicker, would you happen to know why my suggestion suggesting Tribal being given a loincloth or some other form of clothes deleted?
tepid light
it wasnt deleted, you made it in #401481402782056460 @tender latch
tender latch
I'm so stupid lol
brittle bough
oh lmao
neat flicker
Lol
night mountain
ew not loincloths tribals should wear those yogapants that say JUICY on them
or jorts
indigo sun
Denim short shorts and an off the shoulder crop top with customizable colors for tribals ples
paper oriole
I want my tribal to wear a string thong made entirely of raptor claws and rex tooth nip piercings
night mountain
LOL
i want my tribal to wear a fursuit
Suggestion: system for humans that unlock dinosaur fursuits you can wear after you get enough time playing as the respective species
prisma lily
or go the tf2 way and give us hats
paper oriole
humans wearing fursuits to blend in with dino packs and mock their calls really badly
night mountain
lol
the calls are literally just soundclips of dondi trying to make the same noise
paper oriole
perfect
gaunt parcel
They all talk like the dinosaurs that says "can we get twabhowsauwus dwondi"
grand brook
human wearing allo scalesuit (?) screaming AAAAH at the top of his lungs to blend in
night mountain
seconding the meme channel like why on earth do we not have that
i get not wanting them to clog up offtopic but like, why not have a channel for it??
valid zephyr
yep would be nice to see a meme channel
Ok this edgy skin thing is completely overblown. 90% of the players I see have great skins which fit in well.
And the albinos get eaten first due to natural selection.
lilac swallow
People who cares and get mad about others skins are weird
barren zephyr
it makes me so triggered 😡
lilac swallow
Is your fault honestly
lilac swallow
Still i dont like getting rid of customization
Not to say that half of the old preset skins were edgy
valid zephyr
barren zephyr
its not getting rid of them it is giving the option to not see them if you want
valid zephyr
most players choose nice colours.
barren zephyr
thats what i meant :p
lilac swallow
Yeah destrying the camo of people who cares about camo
valid zephyr
yeah i spend a lot of time trying to pick the perfect camo, so for people to switch it off and make me stick out seems pretty unfair
barren zephyr
skin system being used as a meta thing is not a good thing anyway
lilac swallow
Getting triggered at someone's skin choice isnt a good thing neither
barren zephyr
true
valid zephyr
That trike skin up there is one of the default selections, so you would end up seeing awful things like that
if you enabled default skins instead of custom
and that trike skin is worse than any custom it's physically possable to make
umbral prairie
I think it was said that the old skins were giant color maps and that it could cause lag when players load in because of the skins, and that they managed to make these way smaller with the skin system. If they recreated the old skins without them causing lag sometimes it would be nice to have the old skins back though
and maybe in addition to setting the server to old skins only also being able to choose the old skins on servers that have the skin system enabled
valid zephyr
Did you mean turning them off as a server option, so all players have default skins? Or an individual player settings option so you're seeing default skin while they are seeing a custom skin?
I agree with the first, but not the second.
@barren zephyr desert map would be really nice to see. More biomes are always nice.
pulsar lake
I want these old skins
They were a lot better than now
And old giga, Utah and maïa too
Before we get a real difference between male and female with skin. Now the new skin system destroyed it
I want to know if a player is male or female with skin or with pheromones
valid zephyr
I'm hoping at some point we get customisable versions of the old skins. Old patterns, but players can pick the colours.
unreal moat
@pulsar lake how exactly the new skin destroyed it?males still have detail colors while female doesnt
pulsar lake
It change abslolutely nothing
I have male skin who look like female and detail are not same
Female dilo
Male dilo
Female rex
Male rex
Male giga
Female giga
Female maia
Male maia
Before we haved a big changement between male and female and now it's just detail
I'm sad of this
valid flower
@lilac swallow Not all servers have alt turn enabled.
lilac swallow
No alt turn servers are all community irrelevant servers, they wont implement something that isnt needed on official
Not having alt turn in some servers isnt a dev concern and they shouldnt implement something for it
valid flower
The suggestion area is everything about the isle in general mate
Not just the official servers
lilac swallow
Is about the game mat
Mate
And the game is supposed to be played with official rules
If you dont like these rules is ok but you cant ask for something that doesnt matter with official rules
Seriously this is asking for them to waste money and time to implement a unneeded animation
valid zephyr
an alt turn animation would be nice to have
lilac swallow
Al turn animation would be nice
valid zephyr
rather than just gliding round
jovial blade
Especially the ones that turn really fast
lilac swallow
But looking bad isnt a motive to use a basic mechanich, if dinos didnt have eating animation i would still eat
valid flower
@lilac swallow Supposed to be played with official rules? Then why is there an option in creating servers? There are thousands of servers out there that are very popular.
lilac swallow
They give you the option, doesnt mean It is supposed to be played this way
jovial blade
I'm sure it is
lilac swallow
We have sandbox and everyone knows sandbox isnt how is supposed to be played
jovial blade
The isle would be alot less fun if it didnt have different ways of playing it
Imo
Like realisim servers
Semi realisim
Chill servers
Gives you more styles of playing
lilac swallow
If devs cared about no alt, we would have no alt official servers alongside alt ones
jovial blade
Instead of being close minded playing on offical with barely any rules
We do have no alt as a option right now
lilac swallow
We do
lilac swallow
You know the option Will be gome right?
jovial blade
Which it is rn, I hope he doesnt force it on everyone
He has said he wants it to, but things might change
Its not set in stone
umbral prairie
they will disable the disabling option for alt turn
jovial blade
I'd rather players get the option instead or forcing it
sam
He jsut sid that
Said
And I know
Lol
lilac swallow
I wouldnt mind no alt turn existinhbif people didnt make balance suggestions around no alt
Disabling alt turn is like disabling night vision or running you are disabling part of the game
jovial blade
I haven't seen that legendary
lilac swallow
I do
Asking for a backwards animation is asking for something only for no alt turn
jovial blade
You're just very close minded
umbral prairie
It just needs to be optimized imo, it is far from perfect now and for now the no alt turn is fine, but once it is a polished game mechanic it should be on all servers, it doesn't make sense to me that default servers can just decide if they want important and balancing combat mechanics
or not
jovial blade
No alt isnt needed
Is the point
As of now
It's just how the new combat works
Then alt turn might actually need to be used
Right now I see it as a preference
lilac swallow
The only no alt turn supporters i know only know the arguments "realism" or "muh utah killing Rex"
lone hatch
Game just need animation something like go backwards
umbral prairie
it isn't needed to be used now? what is with utahs and ceratos soloing apexes? Of course you can bait them into walking into your mouth but that is just bad gameplay on the utahs part
jovial blade
Sam theres ways around it
You just have to be wary of your surroundings and use the terrain
And play smarter
lilac swallow
A fucking giga or Rex shouldnt fear a single utah
valid flower
Imo, playing with no alt turn is much better
umbral prairie
explain how to use the terrain as a rex against two utahs, who try to get one of them on your ass. The only possibility I see is to stand in water
lilac swallow
A single utah kills a rex
valid flower
"Oh a pack of utahs...I have to be careful"
jovial blade
^
valid flower
Instead of "Oh lmao pack of utahs ez kills"
jovial blade
Like I said
No alt turn and alt turn arguments are useless
Best we stop
Flooding chat
lilac swallow
Apex:
Slower
Grows longer
Yet It can die to single utah who:
Is faster
Grows shorter
umbral prairie
but that is the problem jerry, things like rex should not fear 2 or 3 utahs, that is just dumb imo.
jovial blade
People have their preferences and opinions is the point
valid flower
Lets say a pack of allos, by pack of allos I mean around like 8 allos, what would a rex do?
Would a rex be careless and act greedy?
umbral prairie
yes I know, just most points don't make sense to me and I want to get explanations on them so I get what you mean
lilac swallow
8 allos is a fucking death sentence for rex
valid zephyr
It's like a pack of hampsters killing a wolf because the wolf can't turn round
valid flower
Yet again, these are just personnel opinions.
valid zephyr
and they just follow it in a circle
lilac swallow
Hamster killing bears
grand brook
going back to the old skins for some dinos, trike looked good, cerato did too, but the old male t rex skin is straight up garbage
valid flower
Thats how a hunt should work Comrade
With alt turn, it wont work.
Not a chance.
For the allos.
valid zephyr
except irl the wolf could just turn on the spot s and eat them
umbral prairie
I asked 'explain how to use the terrain as a rex against two utahs, who try to get one of them on your ass. The only possibility I see is to stand in water'
lilac swallow
The Big slow Guy should wreck the small fast Guy who can run away
jovial blade
@umbral prairie Depends where you are really
You can use alot of stuff
Rocks, trees
Buildings
valid flower
^
jovial blade
You can also try juke
lilac swallow
A fucking Elephant is almost unkillable by rexes in a plain
jovial blade
Also pretending you're dumb works alot lol
lilac swallow
No need of terrain
lone hatch
@daring salmon no everywhere is alt
jovial blade
If a dino is running behind me
I act like i dont see it
Then quickly turn at a corner
And be waiting
You just learn to play smarter
If you get what I mean
Its why I prefer no alt
valid flower
I usually let it try and ass ride me, I keep sprinting then stop immediately with Z turn and bait it to my bite.
lilac swallow
Tell me the balance of growing longer and being slower if im also worse at fighting tell me the balance and i may shut
valid flower
There are a lot of mechanics
valid zephyr
I just turn around as thats what irl creatures can do
valid flower
And ways to avoid it
jovial blade
If theres a clear difference in skill and game knowledge there should be a certain out come
valid zephyr
also if you walk up to a cliff on no alt turn servers to admire the view, then you're dead
jovial blade
I dont think just having more hours of growth
valid flower
Then you shouldnt.
jovial blade
Should win you every fight
valid flower
No animal would do that
lilac swallow
Why the 6 tons 6 hours 33 kmph creature should fear a single 1 ton 2 hour 44 kmph
valid zephyr
I need to record a vid of my horses turning round in their stable. They don't get trapped forever when they go inside.
jovial blade
No one fears a single utah
lilac swallow
Having more hours and beingslower isnt that enought?
jovial blade
I dont get your point
You 1 shot them
That's the trade off
1 single mistake
And the Utah is dead
valid zephyr
if utah sees rex it should walk away
lilac swallow
Is not supposed to have fair fights
jovial blade
If theres mechanics to win the fight
pale prairie
the issue is, not everyone has time to grow an apex, and when you can lose it so easily to something so small and easy to grow, why be an apex at all?
jovial blade
Then it's in the game
lilac swallow
If you dont run away while being weaker you should die
grand brook
look, i'm not the biggest fan of alt turn in it's current state, it's ridiculous looking and there's nothing i hate more than people spamming the damn button to twirl on place. Wether it's necessary or not doesn't change the fact that the game is balanced around it, that's just how it is
pulsar lake
One utah shouldn't attack a rex
lilac swallow
Zorrezno is fair
pulsar lake
And not 2
jovial blade
I rarely ever see a Utah attack a single rex
lilac swallow
Doesnt like It but knows the game is balanced around it
jovial blade
But I've seen big packs do it
pulsar lake
I think utah should be like 5 to start to think for attacking rex
jovial blade
Alt turn fights just isnt my preference
lilac swallow
And even then being hard
jovial blade
It turns into 2 robots
Fighting
Stoping mid fight
Alt turn bite
Alt turn bite
grand brook
i would like it if it was just that, turn in place, not twirl. 4 legged elephants can turn in place, rhinos can do it even faster than a buffalo so it does exist in nature
lilac swallow
You know the game isnt a fighting game
jovial blade
Who has the better bite wins
lilac swallow
?
jovial blade
Fighting is a big part
lilac swallow
Utah and Rex arent supposed to fight
valid zephyr
wait till collisions as that will change things. locational damage too
pale prairie
trample damage, collision and locational damage will change everything, sure.
but as of right now, a lot of people don't really have the time to grow an apex, and again, when it can be easily killed by something so small and easy to grow, there's no point in being an apex.
"oh no, i lost 2-3 days of growing because something a 4th of my size can stay behind me and bite my feet"
jovial blade
It's a survival game
lilac swallow
Is a survival game Damm it
valid zephyr
that will encourage manauvring
pulsar lake
Who have the best turn, if alt is disactivated, win
lilac swallow
And running is surviving
jovial blade
And fighting is one of the most important things you will learn
valid flower
Its a survival game, how to survive? Is by avoiding getting hunted and when your getting hunted you fight.
Plus everyone wants a fight
jovial blade
We are even getting finishing moves
lilac swallow
Everyone who want a fight should be playing a dino supposed to fight
jovial blade
Its sounding more like a fighting game
grand brook
then you are suicidal
lilac swallow
Stop ignoring the fact that you are twice the fast
grand brook
why would a utah jump straight to a rex?
jovial blade
ROUND 1 START
lilac swallow
You arent forced to fight
jovial blade
FATALITY
lilac swallow
If a Rex kills your utah is your fault
grand brook
and you are saying like small tiers don't have a chance of killing a rex
they do have chances
in numbers
pulsar lake
They do
grand brook
and coordinated
pulsar lake
But not like that
pale prairie
dilo packs C O U G H
valid zephyr
utah should just walk away. it doesn't have to fight.
valid flower
Sadly these chances dont work when alt turn is a thing.
pale prairie
yes, they do.
lilac swallow
If you want to fight either Accept getting screwed or play a Rex yourself
pale prairie
dilo packs can easily bring down rexes with or without alt turn
pulsar lake
In server where alt is activated a rex is invincible and where is not he get rekted by all utah, dilo, allo pack
lilac swallow
Dilo packs indeed kill rexes on alt turn
valid zephyr
yeah but as rex, if you hear the sound of 30 dilos in the dark you begin log out procedure.
pulsar lake
30 dilos
pulsar lake
That an horror than a pack like this
grand brook
not a single one
pulsar lake
With alt turn rex is not totally invincble
valid zephyr
animals irl can simply turn on the spot and eat what's attacking them from behind. There is no reason that shouldn't be the case in game.
pulsar lake
Is more giga
barren zephyr
galli
pulsar lake
Giga with alt turn...
lilac swallow
A fucking croc turns in less than a second
grand brook
a rhino can spin in place
lilac swallow
An Elephant who is trike sized can turn on place
valid zephyr
It's not like I get stuck in my bathroom each day as its size is smaller than my turn radius.
valid zephyr
horse can, dog can, ostritch can, elephant can
valid flower
Can a trike turn in a spot?
Horse, right, give me one dinosaur that is similar to a horse in the isle.
pulsar lake
Animals like dinosaurs can turn in spot
valid zephyr
a trike can move its legs sideways. that means it can turn.
it's not like a robot with 2 axis of movement
grand brook
i agree that alt turn needs animations and ways to avoid being spammed, so it actually feels like a natural motion
valid flower
Thats also why Z turn is a thing
grand brook
but it's a mechanic that's here to stay
lilac swallow
I surely need to walk to turn on the shower
grand brook
z turn is in motion so you don't have to stop on your tracks to alt turn
pale prairie
Z is to switch between walking and trotting.
barren zephyr
^
valid zephyr
wait you run into the shower?
valid flower
Can be used for turning aswell
valid zephyr
I think most people walk
pale prairie
it can be, but that's not why it exists.
grand brook
indeed it can, diablos z turn is almost like an alt turn same with utahs
grand brook
but it's meant to be used to dodge
valid flower
For utahs
barren zephyr
you need to stop playing on servers with no alt they just make you ignorant to general balance
grand brook
and change in an instant
pale prairie
i kinda miss the old days before alt turn, back when there was no "trot"
grand brook
so you don't have to stop and turn like a bigger creature would need to
daring salmon
@lone hatch sorry i forgot what i said before you tagged me
lilac swallow
Ok you can dislike alt turn but is a fact devs have balanced the game around it
grand brook
nothing personnel kid
valid flower
I'm just sharing my opinion.
pale prairie
alright, but you can't sit there and say the game without alt turn is truly balanced.
barren zephyr
alt will get its own animation
lilac swallow
Prefering no alt dont deny the game is balanced around it
grand brook
that's good, and even better if it could have a method to avoid being spammed
daring salmon
without alt turn its completely ridiculous
lilac swallow
The game isnt balanced without nit
grand brook
trust me if dinosaurs turned around like they do in JWE you wouldn't even notice
random knoll
No your wrong no alt turn = hell the end
valid flower
And I'm used to playing giga and avoiding ass rides, just stay with a duo
random knoll
It’s just a fact
lilac swallow
A utah who has the decision to start a fight shouldnt be winning every single fight by assriding
random knoll
Utahs killing rexes because they just can
barren zephyr
ofc cause you cant play rex on unofficial
valid flower
Apexes usually stay in duos
daring salmon
being forced to play with another aopex
valid flower
So you wont find a problem with ass riding
daring salmon
not realisitic
valid flower
Not really
random knoll
You do
lilac swallow
Group dependencie is shit
random knoll
You know why
valid flower
There are many ways to avoid it
random knoll
because the rexes have to bite each other to kill the lil fucks
pale prairie
think of it this way, you only get 2-3 hours a day free because of work/school/family/other things.
now, it would take you 2-3 days to grow any apex, that's assuming you don't die at all.
so if this apex that takes at least 2 days for you to grow can easily die to something that takes less than 3 hours and is much easier to grow, what's the point?
grand brook
you know what's the worts part? i used to say the same arguments against alt turn not too long ago
daring salmon
utah less than 2 hours no?
grand brook
it's incredible
lilac swallow
And faster duck
Utah less than 2
Im a fucking utah main but assriding a guy to death isnt funny
pale prairie
i was talking about cerato there, cerato has a much better chance against any of the apexes than utah does, even without alt turn.
daring salmon
utah has no trouble vs juvie or subs anyway but once that fker is fullgrown the utah sshould turn around and gtfo
lilac swallow
If you dont understand that being faster implies you arent forced to fight you shouldnt Talk about balanc
barren zephyr
^group dependencie is fucking trash. fucking hate how para is as strong as an allo cause its "herding creature" despite carnivores outnumbering herbivores 2.5/3 and being more common in groups and also being easier to sustain due to food spawning on them and having no problems with rain
daring salmon
its called an Apex for a reason
lilac swallow
And that group dependencie
daring salmon
thats a herbie thing, group dpendencie
lilac swallow
Having to meet with 3 randoms before being viable isnt good
No one should be group dependant
pale prairie
is there anybody still in this chat arguing for the alt turn side? if not, what's the point? why are we all still talking?
grand brook
herbivores shouldn't necessarily being group dependant on creatures of their same tier
daring salmon
no but more than the apex carni's
pale prairie
we're all just agreeing with eachother at this point.
grand brook
no creature
lilac swallow
A group should be beneficial but not necesary for your survival
grand brook
exactly on 1v1 creature should have equal chances using different abilities in the same tier
lilac swallow
I as a utah main know that being solo means incan only kill ai, but im still viable
grand brook
that's why tiers exist in the first place
daring salmon
and thats where it gets tricky, are all animals really in the correct tier yet for one?
lilac swallow
Every 1v1 should have chances of either fighting or scaping
grand brook
ai, gallis, dryos, juvies of all kinds, scavenge...
daring salmon
wellll not entirely tru dragon
grand brook
a solo utah can survive on that
daring salmon
a juvie running into some adult is just gg for the adult, no contest
lilac swallow
Im talking about only adults
grand brook
sadly this another matter entirely, growing as of now feels more like a chore
daring salmon
it part of the game
grand brook
given how you only have your full potential as a fully grown creature
daring salmon
it makes perfect sense tho
grand brook
not really, a sub rex should be faster than an adult rex for example. A fresh adult carno shouldn't be slower than a grown juvi
daring salmon
why do you think that
an adult takes 3 times bigger steps
if not more
the rex i mean ofc
idk the carno that well, but the adult should be faster if u ask me
grand brook
i was talking more about running speed, a sub rex weighs much less than a full grown adult
even worse a fresh adult rex being slower than a full adult rex
daring salmon
well the running is just aa short burst
it weighs less but is also a lot smaller and takes a lot smaller steps for it
sub rex is not a utah
even though they are similar sized at some point
i think the sub is acutally already bigger but because its smaller shouldnt mean it is faster. thats my point im trying to make
see it as this, the sub is still developing its powerful muscles.. where as the fullgrown adult is fully ready to hunt
jolly willow
armor would do cera nicely
daring salmon
lol full plated armor? XD
jolly willow
just about the only option left, they have no intent on buffing it
jolly willow
read the suggest
daring salmon
cant forget the helmet
ye ik where you are going with this im just kidding around with ya
haha
jolly willow
cerato badly needs something
anything
it just sucks so bad right now it hurts lol
daring salmon
to do what exactly tho?
jolly willow
to be not shit
daring salmon
some animals just dont match up to others
jolly willow
and not get raped by allos and really anything with bleed
ug
uh
you dont understand mate
daring salmon
although i can see the problem vs allos ye
jolly willow
this thing doesnt match up to anything.
jolly willow
allo is its hard kryptonite because of more stam plus a fast ass ambush
carno can just bleed him out
daring salmon
or nerf the allos? :p
lilac swallow
The thing with cerato is that It die to allo, but allos can run down them
jolly willow
cera is an ez meal for allo. it needs to be better so theres at least a single reason to pick it over allo or carno
i would do that but
devs have no intent on buffing his stats
daring salmon
or make it more dangerous for the allo to fight one
jolly willow
its very clear
so, a mechanic like armor is one of the last things that could probably help cera out at least a bit
barren zephyr
armor is what cera needs
daring salmon
basically a health boost
barren zephyr
and immunity to gun shots*** lol
oh I didn't notice people were talking of my suggestion
jolly willow
plz
cera needs SOMETHING
if it doesnt get this or something else then literally just delete it
invalidated so fucking hard it doesnt deserve to be playable
daring salmon
just read that last part of the suggestion but a chance vs a giga? a cera shouldnt have a chance against a giga tbh
jolly willow
i dont give a shit about that part
in a pack, sure, whatever
i just want a cerato thats not raped or invalidated to fuck
daring salmon
language
jolly willow
its invalidated by allo and carno anyways
jolly willow
carno does what cera would be doing better
yes
why would u pick shitty bleed res over running away from literally everything and having 15 bleed rather than 8 @barren zephyr
infact even carno rapes cera
they just stall and run through ceras and bleed them out
cera has such pitiful bleed as well
its not even rounded off
8 bleed
barren zephyr
can't wait for collisions
jolly willow
just please
give cera something
"he cant have everything" except he has literally nothing
0, zip, zilch
not a single thing it has so that you'd choose it over allo or carno other than the turn
barren zephyr
it'll buff everything that's usually a prey item
daring salmon
im wondering how trample will work itself out with nests, dont wanna trample your own babies now would ya
jolly willow
trample only activates when you sprint
so just dont do that near your babbus or herdmates
daring salmon
was that already confirmed
valid zephyr
hopefully collisions, trample, and locational will really fix up combat
daring salmon
ehhhh facetanking a trike is unadvisable anyhow
valid zephyr
and no more phasing through dinos to eat their babies behind them
and hopefully rexes will just be able to trample utahs
daring salmon
oh yeess
barren zephyr
Cerato is the worst carnivore by far. It's only advantage is being a powerful juvie. Once it becomes adult it is useless. I would suggest giving it a damage buff or replacing it with the old cerato that was much more balanced.
All cerato needs is a bleed res buff and it’s fine
bleed itself is getting changed why should they buff its resistance
grand brook
...so that it doesn't die from a couple of utah bites?
barren zephyr
Bc the way the game is rn that’s what it needs, If bleed mechanics change alter it accordingly
valid zephyr
I agreed herbi numbers are lower than i've ever seen them
servers are a seething mass of carnis
fathom harness
It's so true it's not even funny. Ok, maybe it's a little funny.
viral creek
Pretty sure there are other reasons the herbivore pop is plummeting.
lilac swallow
Im just afraid that lowering their grow becomes a reason to have them weaker
Like "your trike grows shorter and you ask for buffs?"
viral creek
- No chat between different herb species
-Carnivore growth is just as easy... if easier than herb growth due to the ai issues.
-A large pop just thinks carnivores are "cooler" (they suck)
those are all reasons
I don't think herbivores being weak is the reason for their downfall
lilac swallow
Is one of the reasons
valid zephyr
I think it's just most people think carnis are cooler, and herbis have no advantage now trike can't mixherd
lilac swallow
Same with people that thinks that just being herbi makes you cooler
lilac swallow
Nothing is cooler for what It eats
paper oriole
There are more rexes on servers than all herbis combined lol
valid zephyr
I often hear people saying herbis are just eat grass and die
lilac swallow
Rexes+gigas
valid zephyr
or "it is a prey animal so it should lose"
viral creek
False statements
valid zephyr
or "herbis should only be viable in big herds"
viral creek
a n n o y i n g statements
oak shale
Yes they are false and annoying
paper oriole
lol the idiot earlier who said shant should be soloable and rely on herd
lilac swallow
Again your food doesnt determinate your strength
lilac swallow
In real Life not every herbi is stronger nor weaker
viral creek
tbh. I think herb and carn are equally enjoyable
People just don't respect herbivores
fathom harness
To be honest I'd rather hunt a Rex than a Trike.
viral creek
(as much as carnivores)
fathom harness
@viral creek So. True.
lilac swallow
People just think this game is a kind of war and once you chose "team" there is no coming back
And thinking the game is a carnivherbi war is disgusting
fathom harness
Ugh. If anything, it's about surviving.
valid zephyr
I play both, but it's pretty clear which side is more popular and viable
oblique crown
Has anyone suggested that herbis be allowed to group up and chat to eachother recently with the exception of trike?
fathom harness
You die. You respawn. You live. You die. Repeat!
oak shale
that they were very wrong
sullen bone
or people are bored sitting and nesting in place as herbivore so that is why they play carnivore they want some action
fathom harness
@oblique crown All herbivores should be able to either group chat or speak together in local.
Probably local.
lilac swallow
I assure you i get action as herbi
sullen bone
if u kos yea
viral creek
Not at all
valid zephyr
first time i played allo in ages, we had a group of 15 and couldn't group with the other 7 allos due to limits on numbers
fathom harness
You get hunted. @sullen bone
lilac swallow
I would be fine with just local
oak shale
As a herbi you get hunted
valid zephyr
i've never seen herds that big
oak shale
thats action
paper oriole
Also lots of servers have annoying af rules and ive seen herbis get in trouble for defending themselves
lilac swallow
Kos? Me? 
viral creek
Carnivores will prioritize your ass over other carnivores cause of what you eat.
sullen bone
what can hunt u if u have 3 trikes
fathom harness
@paper oriole I know right!
lilac swallow
I fucking hate kosing dont dare to say otherwise
sullen bone
u just walk like huge truck
fathom harness
@sullen bone You would be surprised.
viral creek
You're assuming trike is the only herbivore
fathom harness
^
valid zephyr
3 rexes can easily beat 3 trikes
sullen bone
nothing will touch u as 3+ trikes
viral creek
I play pachy, and he is fun as hell. Literally everything wants a piece of you.
lilac swallow
Nothing touch a single giga
fathom harness
@valid zephyr Not easily, depending on BB.
I've seen Diablo ass ride full adult Rexes to death.
sullen bone
that rex must be stupid as f
lilac swallow
I have never been killed by rex
viral creek
A lot of rexes are stupid af
fathom harness
It was just an epic Diablo.
viral creek
a lot of apexes are stupid
valid zephyr
any time the rexes want to leave they can. trikes don't have that option
fathom harness
^^^^^^^^^^
viral creek
i assrode a giga to death as a pachy and it was super satisfying
fathom harness
Soooooo true!
sullen bone
that is the thing if u cant leave whenever u want u re stronger
lilac swallow
And trike is slower and weaker than rex
fathom harness
With how things are Balanced.
viral creek
Sadly, trike won't get a buff until recode is out of the way
fathom harness
The only thing Rex has over trike is bone break.
That and speed.
And base damage. Lol!
valid zephyr
nothing will get buff or nerf till then
viral creek
Rex somehow has a higher damage output
fathom harness
Rex over all is just a little OP, once it puts BB on something it's a guaranteed win.
viral creek
Rex isn't op, trike is just underwhelming atm
lilac swallow
Yeah lets live on a rock cos i cant move
sullen bone
that is why herbi is boring and like u said less people play herbies
fathom harness
Bring back Trikes old turn radius?
valid zephyr
it's not just apexes though, it's all herbis seem unpopular
fathom harness
Very true
sullen bone
well from the others nobody will try to kill u except maybe dibble
lilac swallow
In fact trike is one of the more unique and less populated herbies
sullen bone
like what rex will hunt galli?
viral creek
Have you ever played pachy
fathom harness
You would be surprised
viral creek
Literally everything wants to fuck with you.
pale tinsel
ikr
fathom harness
I've had Rex's hunt Dryos
pale tinsel
ik so annoying
lilac swallow
Pachy is killable, Maia is killable by carnos, dryo is killable