its not my matter
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
night mountain
Bright green is GOOD in this game for hiding. Have you never been an all bright green dilo?
lament thorn
a giant dino living in a dark forest isnt gonna blend in if they are as green as a chameleon
lilac swallow
Then if its not your matter why do you care sonmuch?
barren zephyr
I was nested in twice and got two epic coloration options, a Moldy banana type Trike was hilarious while running around. The under belly was the Dryo 3.. Or 4 I think. My top was that bright tanned yellow ish color and everything else was the white, I think it was either Allo 1 or raptor something.
brittle bough
equally so if theyre bright white, but yet we can be predominantly white and no one has an issue with that lul
indigo sun
i could go pretty much all black, no one's got a problem with that
lament thorn
I think they are ugly as heck but at least they dont 100% distract from the world
barren zephyr
your freedom I suggest is having much more pattern options such as different stripings or markings and being able to apply colors of the pallete to each one of them. by now i wont care anymore if you 'll make all the patterns look bright.
indigo sun
pattern options can also happen
night mountain
giga can literally be cheetoh orange and baby blue currently lol
indigo sun
there's nothing wrong with more colors though
lilac swallow
No point in apttern variation if im full brown and gray
indigo sun
you act like having one makes the other impossible
prisma lily
i mean, many natural predators have orange hues too, which i wish we had more of
night mountain
lets just get hue sliders so we have every single color there is :^)
prisma lily
look at tigers
fathom harness
Maybe once mod is supported more colors and/or patterns could become available. Or I suppose even the developers might be able to add more skin colors and patterns once they are done with their bigger projects.
barren zephyr
When did I imply i want everyone to be fuill grown and gray?
fathom harness
Like, a lot.
indigo sun
we dont have much of a choice otherwise with the current pallet
barren zephyr
a lot?
brittle bough
you seem violently opposed to any vibrancy
fathom harness
"Gritty and horror"
barren zephyr
I never did, i implied that camouflage never hurts and that it could be recommended.
prisma lily
at the very least, i feel like carnivores should have access to all carnivore species’ colors and herbivores should have access to all of their species’ colors
indigo sun
you've been violently against colors that could help
lilac swallow
And shiny skins doesnt hurt you neither
brittle bough
nno, you berated everyone for throwing away their camouflage the whole time? lol
fathom harness
Then why would more green colors be bad? If anything we all should be agreeing here.
indigo sun
insisting the only way to achieve camo is your own pattern idea
lament thorn
Well purple that depends on the greens
prisma lily
in game, i cannot put the same default green a dilo has on its 3rd part i believe on any other part of its body
fathom harness
I suppose it does, BlueWolf.
brittle bough
body 3 having severely limited colors is still the dumbest thing
prisma lily
which is maddening cuz its a great minty green
barren zephyr
It really depends on what envinroment you plan to normally stick with or blend with, or plan to be able to hide in
indigo sun
just dilo greens would be perfectly fine. i manage perfectly fine with camo in the day and night time with the normal dilo colors
lament thorn
^
indigo sun
they dont affect my ability to blend in
night mountain
I still like that bright colors are too unrealistic but a psychic telepathic spinosaurus that controls the literal weather is not
indigo sun
and being able to use them with muddy browns and maybe yellow speckling wouldnt hurt anyone
barren zephyr
Okay I seen how dilo greens are and they are fine, I got worried about edgy bright green,red +black combinations
prisma lily
as it is right now, more dinosaurs can be made to look like lemon shortcakes than can be made to look like nice camo greens
indigo sun
and we repeated this point about eight thousand times
lament thorn
I thought the fact that someone posted some lizards with bright greens was them basically saying why it was ok for a maia to have them XD
indigo sun
no
night mountain
How is bright green edgy
brittle bough
it was to prove a point that greens other than poopy moss occur in nature lol
indigo sun
i posted them to say bright green is not unnatural or bad in any way and can be used to the animals advantag
*advantage
lament thorn
but those are tiny lizards
barren zephyr
Does maia really need to worry too much about camouflage unlike carnivores which mostly need to blend in if they gotta ambush something?
lilac swallow
And who the hell Cares if a random guy is using a "edgy" skin
indigo sun
yes but that works does it not? they blend in with their green environment
lament thorn
like you cant look at fish and birds to make a point that an elephant could look like that
granite vigil
Maia doesn’t really need it as much as others
Not like it’s going to be sitting in the woods all day
night mountain
elephants are mammals though which are almost always not bright colors as a whole
brittle bough
true, but the thing is the game already allows you to do the exact opposite of camo if you want, so more greens that arent poopy moss shouldnt be thrown out because Muh Realism
indigo sun
if you can use bright yellows and whites and make an entirely uncamouflaged skin, why cant you use natural greens for real camo
barren zephyr
i do admit that ive seen pretty disgusting camo skins though. but its poor choice/use of these colors/not using them at a pallete that looks better and still provides good camouflage
brittle bough
It Perfectly Blends Into The Trees, Clearly
lilac swallow
Let people play using poor skins no one is forcing you to use one
barren zephyr
You also gotta take into consideration about this game's lighting and saturation
indigo sun
if we had more color options, there wouldnt be the issue of then having everyone forced to look the same
lilac swallow
And if It looks disgusting for you isnt their fault
brittle bough
yes, so slightly brighter greens would be fine under shading/lighting lol
indigo sun
i greatly take into account night time and how i will look in the area i play in
because i, yknow, use camo
lament thorn
Yes but another player looking hideous can really just mess with the world
night mountain
i feel especially bad for some species
brittle bough
so kill them 
lilac swallow
All my skins from utah to Rex are brown and It gets boring
Kill them if It bothers you that much
night mountain
trikes either are black or look like someone pooped on a pizza
prisma lily
dilos already have the perfect greens for the carnivores, the issue is it is locked to extremely small portions of its body and inaccessible to all other species
barren zephyr
Okay, you now made your point that you want slightly brighter greens and not BRIGHT greens and being locked to normally deeper colored greens that this game offers for now.
indigo sun
mottled browns, proper greens, and a light grey can work together well, but players shouldnt be limited to shit greens instead of greens that could actually work
barren zephyr
Can we close this discussion now
prisma lily
and dryos have some good greens too that should be accessible to more herbis
indigo sun
oh dryo does have good colors, yeah
brittle bough
monster, out of curiosity, did you think people meant putting the lime detail on the rest of the body? lol
lilac swallow
Still having neón greens wont hurt you, i dont like It but if i see a neón green Guy i dont die nor get sick
barren zephyr
Remember when the Dilo was all crest colors?
lament thorn
to me Legend sounds like hes pro neon
barren zephyr
You stuck out like a sore thumb but you still managed to scare everyone and nom them to death.
lament thorn
not after that last statement
indigo sun
didnt dilo used to be bright red? before all this skin business?\
lament thorn
it wasnt bright
night mountain
i wanna be an electric green spino named shrek who KOSes anyone who enters the swamp
brittle bough
id accept that experience tbh
lilac swallow
Im not pro neon
I just feel stupid getting rid of customization
If someone just think It looks disgusting
indigo sun
yeah it's not a very good argument that a few people would make an edgy skin with dilo greens
cause those already exist
brittle bough
many, many oreo dinos
lament thorn
I didnt think you meant dilo greens Nines
lilac swallow
I could say maias are disgusting so Maia should be excluded? Fucking not
indigo sun
it was literally in the suggestion we were arguing in favor of
the point was animals that use greens
not the specific bright greens
barren zephyr
@brittle bough these bright brigher colors could be locked more for detail colorations and not the Main body parts
lament thorn
yes but throughout the convo you guys have been linking it to lizards and person opinion which is what has been confusing me
barren zephyr
Males for example
indigo sun
"allow Dilos and other Dinos access to the Dilo colors"
granite vigil
Let people be edgy
barren zephyr
but their bodies still alow them to hdie
night mountain
Okay guys lets all just calm down and focus on things we can all agree on, like how giga really needs to be buffed.
indigo sun
or dont lock colors and let people learn to make better skins
granite vigil
@night mountain cursed words
brittle bough
heres what you do: have brighter skin colors unlock by surviving to full adult with bright colors, and darker skin colors unlock by surviving to full adult with dark colors lol, if natural selection fails to get you, you can go further down the road of fuckoff colors
lilac swallow
If people want bad skins let them have them, they will learn
night mountain
i wanna be a fushia and cyan quetz
indigo sun
wrong channel sammel
barren zephyr
Now lets drop this
brittle bough
? everyones already made the same point that dragon did though
lilac swallow
Np
brittle bough
but k
lilac swallow
I think they did
indigo sun
we all made that point
night mountain
i want to be able to customize the color of your dinosaurs blood
lament spoke
....
indigo sun
nein
lament spoke
What
indigo sun
bad
lilac swallow
Niet
indigo sun
no homestuck trolls
brittle bough
dear god
night mountain
aw you caught me
prisma lily
takes a homestuck to know a homestuck. when can i have alternian rex with candycorn crest colors
night mountain
lmao devs PLEASE add an option for orange trike horns
maybe a fade into yellow would look nice
valid zephyr
Would love to have the full colour options for all dinos. Sad not having dryo 3 as carnis.
brittle bough
everything with horns gets orange-yellow gradient option
valid zephyr
Yeah idiots will make edgy skins, but we eat them first right?
lilac swallow
Exactly comrade
brittle bough
yeah, the game should by all means allow you to defy camo, so we can witness natural selection happen before our very eyes- or the failure of it
lilac swallow
Is not like a edgy skin will give you a illnes in real life
indigo sun
ah jeez
night mountain
:o)
indigo sun
youre gettin off topic there you clown
prisma lily
the greens rexes have right now are too brown leaning, muddy
valid zephyr
If they implement colours from the parts for nesting, we will actually get to see evolution in action
edgy colours die out, camo skins pass on their colours
night mountain
genetic colors would be cool
lament thorn
Yeh but that wouldnt happen
valid zephyr
somone suggested letting the person being nested make their skin using any of the parents colours
night mountain
i wanna make horrifically ugly skins so i can nest people in and have them be pissed they're like a pink and yellow anky
lament thorn
most people often dont seem to care about skins in the long run and ugly friends will nest with ugly friends
maybe with affinity?
indigo sun
thats a good idea. choose your parent colors so you dont come out with a garbage random skin
brittle bough
i like the pick from parents colors thing, yeah
lament thorn
would make nesting more appealing
night mountain
What you don't wanna be a trike that looks like a pizza someone dropped in a porta potty?
valid zephyr
so for slot 3, you will be able to choose slot 3 from either parent
brittle bough
ye
lament thorn
I think a handful of random colours would be nice too
otherwise a large brood might all look very similar
valid zephyr
maybe a 3rd random colour in each slot then?
brittle bough
maybe affinity could affect the options somehow? like if both parents have good affinity then theres additional random options, or something
valid zephyr
to show mutations
night mountain
i'd like straight white and black tbh
indigo sun
you get one or two extra just cause babies dont always end up the same color or inherit colors that skipped a generation
night mountain
egg laying animations finally
brittle bough
i cant wait for the recode to be done so we can start getting some good fucking food in general, shits Hype
indigo sun
someone actually asked for that last night, like it was actually a good idea
brittle bough
gdi
night mountain
what would the animation be if you laid an egg after afking and you had mild diarrhea
valid zephyr
Same people that want mating calls and animations
brittle bough
not again
valid zephyr
also same people that will spam crouch over any female herd member who lies down for more than 0.84 seconds
lament thorn
I mean im not 100% against mating calls but I think they are useless and more for realism servers
but mating and laying animations? no get out
brittle bough
mating calls are neat but other than maybe affinity stuff they havent got much applicable use that would warrant the effort, alas
indigo sun
someone will just mod them in so no reason for the devs to waste that time
lament spoke
Hey. I spam couch over anyone that sits down for over .5 seconds thank you very much
night mountain
honestly mating animations suck since a general all purpose humping animation is funnier
lament thorn
also cant wait for collision to stop that
lilac swallow
When i started the game i was almost a kid, i lost my innocence with a rex people is so degenerate
valid zephyr
Yeah the furry community is strong here... shudders
indigo sun
you cant do the crouch thing with carno, it takes a long ass time to crouch
night mountain
i chase other apexs out of my territory by trying to graphically erp with them in local
it usually works
brittle bough
usually
valid zephyr
also mating animations would require the devs to work out how stego mated. That's an unsolvable conundrum.
lament spoke
Better thing to do is hold q for like a half a second then release. Rinse and repeat
valid zephyr
tapping Q with para makes music
lilac swallow
I know the game isnt for kids but mating animation are out of place
night mountain
probably had huge prehensile dicks like a tortoise
lament thorn
lets stop
brittle bough
pls
indigo sun
there's not even mating animations in a game made for full realism
lament spoke
Music of love Jenkens
valid zephyr
you need to stop
lament thorn
we are getting further away from god with every statement
lilac swallow
Not even saurian has mate animation nor Will have
indigo sun
we're getting further off topic with every statement
night mountain
make mating animations but its like spore where they just backflip repeatedly lmao
lilac swallow
True lets stop
lament thorn
someone want to discuss any suggestions or should we just hop into isle discussion?
indigo sun
we've discussed everything lets move
valid zephyr
well I think we were on choosing colours
lilac swallow
More like offtopic
brittle bough
eh, colors have concluded, so yeah should probably move
indigo sun
we got very far from that and the discussion is over
jovial saddle
indigo sun
i believe it currently weighs around 4.7 tons but the size of the model does not reflect that at all and should instead be smaller
barren zephyr
@fallen plank not entirely sure but won’t humans already be forced to FP?
mercs at the least
fallen plank
Not entirely sure, that is why I suggested it, because it should definitely be an option for servers at least.
barren zephyr
Ah okay
indigo sun
@steady cradle sauropods are being worked on. they're attempting to make cama playable in survival, but the size and power makes balance difficult
by try i mean theyre attempting to see if it would fit well and be able to be balanced properly
steady cradle
understandable, but I've heard that for example pue and brachi are out
steady cradle
I would feel that giving players the ability to play it would be, let's say better in my opinion at least
it would be a beautiful sight in game to see them walking around
even if I know it can one shot me I still would love to see it in game
indigo sun
but you do also have to consider how much fun a player would have moving that slow in comparison to everything else and how much food it'd need past cama getting into brachi sized, cause the map might not be able to sustain multiple sauropods so large and hungry. and hopefully when brachi comes ai will be better and fight back and not spawn based on hunger
steady cradle
I've heard rumors of a new map, then maybe they wpuld be limited to v3
indigo sun
so with luck we'll have sauropod ai that responds to the environment, and of course there's always sandbox or injections
there will indeed be a new map. brachi would probably be able to live in larger herds on the bigger map
glossy tangle
@indigo sun if you ask me, I'd say that cama doesn't need much more balancing done to it, it's a large sauropod it's meant to be strong (well it is small compared to other sauropods) and all you need is a giga player with a decent bit of knowlegde on the gigas play style
brittle bough
thats the issue with sauropods i mentioned not too long ago; theyre either op or boring as piss to play lol
make them faster to be less boring, then theyre op; lower their damage to balance them, then theyre too weak for their size; lower their speed to balance them, then theyre boring
glossy tangle
sauropods are meant to be amazingly strong @brittle bough
they don't need any speed or damage changes
brittle bough
okay but id both rather not be chased down by a sauropod, and not be bored to shit playing as one and moving at the speed of molasses
indigo sun
yes they are meant to be strong but you also need to consider game balance. if something is unkillable, it's not fun for the creature or the things that might want to hunt it. I
Hold on
glossy tangle
well if you choose a sauropod, you gotta be patient
it isn't unkillable
it is very much killable
steady cradle
that's why it would have extremely long growth times
and of a flesh ripping mechanic comes in
indigo sun
I'm not saying something like a utah should kill a cama, but anything should be killable and something especially the size of brachi, as mentioned above would be unkillable. It is yes, and it shouldnt be any easier to grow
prisma lily
sauropods are as viable as legendary deino, it should both be intimidating to see one reach that size and rare, with many dying before or as they reach the base adult stage
glossy tangle
infact, a well coordinated and large enough pack of dilos can take it down
steady cradle
that could take something like that down
glossy tangle
I've actually seen it happen
or, the countless times I've destroyed camas (on sandbox) as a giga
indigo sun
have you fought azure
glossy tangle
cuz like I've never managed to grow a giga on survival
brittle bough
i mean if finding a tree and slowly.... slowly meandering towards it is your gameplay preference then i guess i cant stop you
steady cradle
it would be an extremely hard wait, but a massive pay off if you do manage
hey i mean
some people like it chill
glossy tangle
yes that's what it should be, slow but powerful
steady cradle
and if there are few in the game
that's good in the first place since we do dont want too many
it could attract a small playerbase, yes
but that small playerbase is all we need
I'm tired of seeing a rex every 5 minutes
I wanna see something majestic
that's why i love when I see camas
brittle bough
eh, perhaps itll be more fitting when shit's fixed and all the other playstyles are more involved/active; itll be the designated chill/afk one lol, im having issues distancing myself from how everything is already chill because its so easy to afk grow on everything
steady cradle
I don't try anything
idk how people ago grow tbb
tbh
I usually play carnis so if I sit for 5 minutes I'm basically dying from starvation already
even tho I'm just a little Utah
brittle bough
as a herbi: find somewhere with plants, water, and a fir tree, park yourself in it until you need to do something
as a carni: find water and a suitable area you feel safe/can hide in and wait for ai to spawn, go eat the ai, and go back to your spot
glossy tangle
I would love to see a herd of camas as a giga pair on a survival server
glossy tangle
YES
steady cradle
DUDE IT WOULD BE MAJESTIC
glossy tangle
diplodocus in the isle would be amazing
brittle bough
best observed as a utah on cargo pond; just sit on that one rock and wait, drink water as needed, go down and hunt the ai that will spawn around you, go back on the rock lul
but yeah herds of big things would be rad
steady cradle
I would even take that on with my allo pack
glossy tangle
yeah
steady cradle
it would add another one of those amazing features to the game to give new players and existing players moments of joy
glossy tangle
I've seen giga pairs go into a herd of 4 camas and win
steady cradle
one of the reasons I love this game is because of how obsessed I was with dinosaurs as a kid
now there's a game that I can play as them
glossy tangle
but then other times where the go in and get destroyed XD
steady cradle
I wouldn't even mind trying to grow a diplo or a brachi
steady cradle
I know this game doesn't have a lot of competitors
but diversity again woild always give them an edge
brittle bough
seeing herds of things exist is why i want/hope for them to add herds of medium-large ai instead of tiny player hunger-dependent ai
glossy tangle
I still remember the scene from walking with dinosaurs where the massive diplodocus herd is attacked by some allos
glossy tangle
yeah
steady cradle
I knowbthat exact episode
last night I played for hours
only dinosaurs I ran into were carnivores
and they were almost all rexes
I want more diversity
glossy tangle
so little herbis and therefore, carnivores hunt other carnivores
it should be so that they can reliably hunt herbivores
brittle bough
i had played with a thought the other day, not sure how it would go in application though- if herbivores overall grew significantly faster than carnivores to encourage greater populations of them
steady cradle
basically I always end up hunting another carnivore
glossy tangle
and only have to challenge other carnivores for food, territory and water
glossy tangle
yeah lol
steady cradle
brb
glossy tangle
and when you do see them, it's usually the damn over aggro trike
indigo sun
to be fair, we did start a herbivore herd and then were all killed by rexes
so people do try to play herbi
indigo sun
just kinda the rexes murder everyone
glossy tangle
yep
steady cradle
rexes are the problem
brittle bough
yeeah the thing is, carnis are so used to having to hunt other carnis that theyre over-excited to finally get to hunt a herbivore lol
indigo sun
we were all idiots and broke our legs before it happened so we couldnt run but they still killed us all
glossy tangle
I think server owners should maybe be able to limit the number of a species
that way, we could have like 2 rex pairs
and everyone else had to be smaller dinosaurs
steady cradle
also large sauropods would give rexes a run for their money
you have no idea how happy I am to FINALLY hunt herbivores as an allo then other damn carnis
glossy tangle
like on nycta 3 (If you haven't noticed I like always play on this server) is soo over populated with rexes
lol same Spicy
glossy tangle
even if I'm just hunting a galli herd as an allo it gets fun
steady cradle
the most fun I've had was brawling it with trikes
glossy tangle
cuz usually I have to resort to cannibalism
which sucks
especially when they could've been a packmate
but I was starving so they gotta be my meal instead
which when I play rex, I hate to do it
cuz ik how hard it is to grow a rex
glossy tangle
yeah
steady cradle
no wonder apex players are usually salty
glossy tangle
yeah lol
brittle bough
i never trust my own kind, i would eat them immediately if i wasnt fat on ai and i expect them to do the same lmao
glossy tangle
if u run into allos on Nycta 3, be careful and watch them
steady cradle
on nublar all I get is 2 calls
I've never done cannibalism
i have personal beef with dilos and carnos so j save my energy for that
glossy tangle
yeah Pangaea I think is the worst, u can 2 call someone go behind them and murder them
I did it once before as a rex, they were pissed
steady cradle
IGPARADISE #1
brittle bough
on nublar ive discovered that if you are an austro, you literally can not die because everyone likes austros lmao
my friend (another austro) and i were trying to die in a more climatic way than drowning in saltwater because we wanted to change, and it took us loitering in the docks twice, full of utahs both times, to finally get killed; they just kept 2-calling us
steady cradle
they have 60 damage
dude
dryos have 50
and austros beautiful
and majestic
and fun
how can you NOT like them
neat flicker
And let's bring it back on topic lol
bitter trench
Dryos do 20 damage and can still kill austros because they don't have good health 
umbral prairie
@rotund tartan they will probably not fix it
before the recode
but it will be fixed with the recode
neat flicker
It's part of server desync, hopefully will be fixed with the recode
rotund tartan
yeah they said it.s not a hitbox thing but a desync thing... but they did not say it will be fixed either... that.s what I.m scared of
umbral prairie
I'm sure they're aware that it is one of the most upsetting and almost gamebreaking things in the game right now
so it would only make sense for them to want to fix it
ebon trout
I think its more of a hitbox issue...If it was desync both parties would have different versions of the event...I have had rexes assclap me many times and on the rexes screen he ass claps me also...that sounds like a hitbox issue not desync
umbral prairie
so their new combat mechanics can even be used properly
very sure it is desync
had it that I was behind the rex on my screen, in the rexes face on a friends screen and in front of a rex on another friend's screen
ebon trout
In that situation maybe
But in the situation i described (which happens often) it is not
umbral prairie
huh
ebon trout
I play in dilo packs all the time that see the same thing and the rexes see the same thing
And its someone being assclapped or killed 5 feet away from the rex in general
I dunno its odd is all
umbral prairie
I mean with desync you would probably have to set up a completely different system for how hits register, and with hitboxes you just need to adjust the hitboxes, and since that problem was there probably already a year ago I thought they'd have fixed it if it was a hitbox issue
ebon trout
Im sure there are issues with both. because you are right sometimes people do see different things.
But other times they do not...Its most likely a multi layered problem
Luckily after the recode both those issues are pretty easily handled
can be*
should be*
lol
umbral prairie
might be a hitbox issue amplified by desync in most cases (is that how you use amplified? my english is pretty bad)
ebon trout
probably will be* i dunno how i want that sentence to end haha
Lol sammel thats a good use of it
umbral prairie
nice
I know how a new word works
yeah I hope the recode will fix it, or at least make it a bit better and happen less often
sick crescent
@umbral prairie why
neat flicker
If it was a hitbox issue, it would have been this bad a while ago, but it's slowly degraded to what it is now, but the devs are fully aware of the issue and hopefully it's fixed with the recode, and if not, very short after.
indigo sun
and feedback
neat flicker
We've got them, thank you!
ebon trout
I see your point OP but to say 5 people seeing the same thing on the screen at the same time is desync is not a fair statement 😄
How did those 5 people see the same thing if it was desynced and they weren't receiving proper information?
But i agree its obviously a known issue, and hopefully can be fixed in a short amount of time
neat flicker
I don’t have an answer for that, it might not be desync but we all hope it’s fixed with the recode or soon after
fathom harness
@barren zephyr Any ideas for what sort of stomp? Maybe wave their tail around in all directions?
south flower
Lmao what, like a spin attack?
grave karma
sonic the hedgehog roll for a 3rd attack
rigid tartan
@valid zephyr i dunno depends, on your play style i guess. on a full server (as eu1 usually is) if you're looking for trouble its very easy to find
ebon trout
Comrade i agree with your complaint but i think they need to add more people not make a smaller map personally
neat flicker
I normally don’t have problems finding people whenever I play. They could probably increase slots and get rid of us3 as an alternative
rigid tartan
an increase in slots would be great, would populate the less.. obvious "hot spots" in the game
ebon trout
I think they should keep us3 and still increase slots....Back in the day all three servers were pretty full....I think the content drought is why they are not full anymore..200 players should be easily doable
rigid tartan
for sure proxy
indigo sun
i'd really love if servers could hold more players without a lot of lag and ai issues, instead of having to use a smaller map when larger ones can hold more promise for places for different things like aquatics and fliers and caves in mountains
rigid tartan
yeah they dont need a smaller map all they need is more reason to roam across the map. instead of having high traffic focus areas like titan or twins. give people a reason to migrate across and they will.
valid zephyr
I'd love to have more players, but that seems like it would kill server performance currently
Though thenyaw is a meh map, I found its pacing so much better and saw other players much more often
ebon trout
The v3 map is set up pretty poorly...The middle of the map is cut off with ravines and such...Im very hopeful for the new map 😄
Thenyaw is the shit its way better then v3 imo
Especially with 150 players 😄
valid zephyr
there needs to be map features which guide players into designed hotspots
ebon trout
Agreed, thenyaw did a great job in that
I think they should just blow up thenyaw by 2x and add in more features akin to what they already have
valid zephyr
V3 is so broken up with no direction. players just end up scattered all over
ebon trout
I agree, Hope for hope
valid zephyr
one idea could be having herbi food concentrated near the water sources, which would draw players there long term for nesting
that would then draw the carnis
ebon trout
I think lazy river should run from southwest to north east.
brittle bough
several long rivers connecting to one lake could help lead people to that area, as opposed to v3 rivers which are just kind of isolated and separated
ebon trout
Put the ravine at the south going from east to west
THen have a shit load of little rivers flowing off of lazy
brittle bough
i think people are naturally compelled to follow rivers, to some extent; it provides some kind of direction to go when you dont know where
ebon trout
Agreed
rigid tartan
@valid zephyr honestly i think herbi food should be either seasonal or not persistent and goes through a sort of "growing" period. once one area has been depleted by a herd. there would be a drought and no food in that area for an hour or so till it grows back. FORCING herds to migrate to other areas. and perhaps having to move through unfavourable terrain reigned by predators.
brittle bough
so if numerous rivers congregated, people would follow them
barren zephyr
I've played on 200 player servers and they are much better but still fill empty at times.
rigid tartan
would make a nice trade-route-esk feel to it
ebon trout
That woudl be nice
but we would need a better way to defend ourselves as herbis then...Saying to just run doesnt work as well in those situations. Maybe give us trikes back as herdable just drop the number to 3?
rigid tartan
no ofcourse, im still al for letting herbies have trikes back. theyr valuable defenders. i just think limitting it to like 2-3 per herd.
ebon trout
Makes sense ya
brittle bough
oh my god on and on with the trikes no matter the conversation lmao
ebon trout
Yeah almost as if things have unintended consequences and effects other parts of the game 😄
ebon trout
I do like your idea of more dynamic food for herbis tho
A good way to incentivize migrations
I would like more dynamic ai also
rigid tartan
i just like the idea of herbies having to migrate in large numbers to go across the map. would be amazing to see, and ofcourse the hunters following them trying to pick off something easy. then the hunters hunting the hunters oh lawd
ebon trout
We used to do it alot it was great fun
We did a maia migration last week was pretty fun
We just do it alot less now with the current state of things
rigid tartan
just wish they would make it so certain dino's are more advantageous in certain terrain, theyr already dipping their toe in with like dilo in jungles. but like i want rocky desert for utahs etc be so good
ebon trout
Yeah, hopefully we get some good info on how the recode is going soon can sate our thirst a bit
valid zephyr
I agree it should be depleted and forcing migrations, but I really think it should concentrate around water sources, which would make herbis chill round water sources too.
rigid tartan
yeah but then we have the same problem as right now which is lake hot spots
herbies already congregate around water, same as all others
ebon trout
Also a herd with no trikes can sit in one place literally forever because how food works they never deplete the area before reset
If it stays with no trikes i think consumption needs adjusted
valid zephyr
lake hot spots is a good thing
concentrating players round certain points so you always know where to go would make the game much more enjoyable
ebon trout
I think the devs dont want that tho
valid zephyr
rather than walking round v3 1 calling for 3 days and seeing about 2 dinos
ebon trout
Look what happened to raptor rock
valid zephyr
so sad about utah rock. there was always fun, and always action
rigid tartan
yeah but hot spots mean unpopulated areas of the map
the idea is to have a constant flowing cycle of players moving at all times
valid zephyr
i've essentially got burnt out again due to this last week of playing and seeing so little with a full server.
ebon trout
ITd be nice to have some hotspots though...With say 200 player pop on this map you could have some hotspots and still have the rest of the map filled decently
Raptor rock was nice cus you had somewhere to go that you always knew you could find some kind of interaction
rigid tartan
natural hot spots occur regardless of what happens, people will always selectively choose their fav places and as a collective agree thats a good place to "be"
i never really have trouble finding people on a 100/100 server comrade
ebon trout
I do not have trouble finding people...But its way to easy to sit somewhere and never see anything with current population
valid zephyr
somtimes i find what i think might be a hotspot as when i turn up it's busy for a bit
then i'll go a week and it's empty
ebon trout
And in a survival horror game i dont think it should be the case
valid zephyr
the usual spots seem to be twins, herbi hill, and greatfalls but even they have yielded nothing this week
rigid tartan
gotta remember anyway when humans get added human settlements will most likely be natural hot spots for dino's wether its food or protection.
ebon trout
Im curious slayer, whatd you think of the removal of raptor rock?
rigid tartan
i think its a good change in the sense that no one species should have an "untouchable holy ground" but it was bad in the sense that it removed alot of social behavior on part of the utahs
ebon trout
So i agree on the first part
But then they didnt change port to stop them from having an untouchable holy ground...so i started to think that wasnt why they made the change
rigid tartan
ah well i dont play utah all that much so i wouldn't know
valid zephyr
utah rock would have been solved by adding edible plants around it. This would mean pachys could contest the rock
rigid tartan
yeah but i guess the devs arent too worried about that as its a human building and they will be forced out in time anyway
ebon trout
So i agreed they shouldnt have that type of spot....But i feel removing the social part of the game and still allowing the spot (port) was a bad move
valid zephyr
instead the area for miles around was barren
ebon trout
Ooh jenkens thatd been a really good idea ctually
bring in more herbis for jumping herbis to harass the utahs
Woulda been lots of galli fun to be had lol
valid zephyr
would have been wars between the utahs and jumping herbis for the rock, and would mean neither was untouchable. If dilo got a small jump it would spice it up more
ebon trout
I really dont think they made the change for that reason...I mean why allow them to have the port if they did?
Has anyone ever read an explanation on that change by them?
rigid tartan
i dont think they "allowed" them to have the port i think the port is just something they dont wish to remove but know the raptors cant keep long term so they will let it pass for time being
valid zephyr
they never explained the change sadley
neat flicker
I'm sure port will be relinquished back to human control once they're released, the raptors won't have a specific spot to run to, but can make a good amount of rocks their temporary safe haven
rigid tartan
thats what i meant OP
neat flicker
While they never explained the reasoning, I'm sure it was close to something along the lines of that they don't want a certain spot the hot spot and just want players roaming through the vast map
But I guess we'll never know 🤷
valid zephyr
the issue though is the map is just too vast for the amount of players.
which is why i think designed hotspots are needed
or a smaller map
neat flicker
I honestly can't say I've had any problems running into other players. You never know when you're gonna run into a player, or maybe you're being stalked. The map could be made slightly smaller or just more slots added
US3 used to have 110 at one point in time
barren zephyr
@lament kayak I dont think Giga needs a speed buff atm. It is very formidable already, can travel long distances with ease, is pretty fast for an apex, and it doesn't need to fear rex unless the rex sneaks very close.
indigo sun
you need to consider what is good for game balance and not what real life says. this would kinda screw over mid tiers would it not?
lilac swallow
Basically is asking for a rexified giga
indigo sun
700 bite force already, massive bleed, and a fast af trot, i think it's fine where it is and has no reason to be faster whatsoever
lilac swallow
Literally is asking for giga to have the exact same speed stam and a better ambush than rex
May as well delete Rex as they end being the same
Is a case of "let dilo jump" and "give utah better nv"
indigo sun
50 km ambush is far too high, you shouldnt even be relying on any sort of ambush as a giga with a trot like he has to catch prey. giga can trot anything down because they'll need to run to escape and those guys will eventually run out of stamina
or just delete giga and never have this problem
lilac swallow
And btw
A bleeder doesnt need to be that fast
A bleeder needs stam to keep the prey bleeding
If giga had only 30 sec of stam It wouldnt bleed things out
lament kayak
@barren zephyr I forgot to suggest lowering damage, I don't like slow giga and how it is basically a rex with bleed
It works fine with current stats, but I prefer the speed
barren zephyr
It is very different than rex. Rex is an ambush predator. Giga is an endurance predator
indigo sun
giga is pretty damn fast, it gets around the map much better than rex does, and even with lower damage, giga with slow trot and a fast ambush is still functionally useless as a bleeder
i agree with lowering giga's biteforce because it definitely doesnt need 700 newtons to bleed things out
but nothing else
lament kayak
Speed should help with sauropod hunting, you can simply hit and run, that's why I like speed. I don't think a bleeder should be slow
ebon trout
Id tone down gigas alt turn speed, and i would tone down how much stam regen it has...Id still allow it to be the only apex to gain stam while moving but tone it down a bit
lament kayak
I'd be fine with no stam regen while standing, or even less than 30 seconds of stam, acro is pretty damn fast and bleeds well
lilac swallow
With your speed and stamina changes giga becomes literally a Rex with bleed
ebon trout
I like it having that stam regen while moving makes them unique and helps with their ability to bleed
It just needs toned down a bit
lament kayak
That's where trot comes in
ebon trout
They have a great trot and they should have a great trot
lament kayak
Run through, get a few bites, trot around and make it bleed
ebon trout
Ya thats why you need stam regen while not sitting
indigo sun
giga with 30 seconds of stamina and a fast ambush is just the same hunter as rex
the trot is very fast to keep things moving. it does not need its speed increased or stamina decreased and does just fine hunting as it is
lilac swallow
And thats why you dont give giga mire speed and better ambush than rex
lament kayak
A dilo is a fairly speedy dino, mainly because it bleeds and lacks damage, although you can argue that its weak so it'll need speed
lilac swallow
Dilo is slow in the small tier
ebon trout
Its overpowered atm is my problem. It needs a bit tone down on its stam regen and a slower atl turn. Then would be very balanced IMO
lilac swallow
In fact is the slower small dino
lament kayak
its weak health wise
indigo sun
giga has a slower run and ambush which allows for that stamina regen while standing, which it needs for endurance hunting and, as was stated, to hunt sauropods
lilac swallow
Obviously a dilo Will be way faster than a apex, but dilo is the slowest small dino
ebon trout
I agree it needs the stam regen...I just think its a bit high atm
lament kayak
It has 50 seconds of stam as it is
ebon trout
Which is not alot
indigo sun
because it doesnt rely on a quick ambush, it is a very good endurance hunter. if it relied on ambush it'd end up functionally the same as a rex without bone break
ebon trout
Its a bleeder not an ambusher like nines has said
lament kayak
High speed is useful for pue since they one shot giga, although I am not saying future sauropods will be this strong
indigo sun
pue isnt even staying in the game
lament kayak
Yeah that's why I didn't bring it up
lilac swallow
Rex runs at 33, has 30 secs of stams and has no regen during trot, you are asking for giga to have 33 of speed, 30 secs of stam and have no stam regen while troting. You are asking for a clone
indigo sun
you dont need high speed to keep up with a slow ass sauropod and you can just as easily run in and bite with giga's current speed
ebon trout
you literally are hte one who brought up pue tho 😄
I agree giga needs a bit of adjustment but your adjustments are way to much. You effectively just replicate the rex
lament kayak
my old plan was 15 seconds of stam, 46 base speed with 50 ambush speed, slowish stam regen.
lilac swallow
Un fact giga with Rex stats but no bone break Will be shit as everyone could endure a bite and then run away whne giga runs out of stam
indigo sun
no thats awful for an endurance predator
lament kayak
That's why I didn't like it
lilac swallow
Endurance predator that has zero endurance and a better ambush than the ambush predator
indigo sun
so let giga keep its current stamina and stamina regen, maybe a bit toned down and speed because those things allow it to do just fine against its prey
lament kayak
Giga wasn't always endurance, it worked fine but then again it was progression
ebon trout
I think its speed is fine, its alt turn is to fast. And its stam regen is a bit to high. I think itd be super balanced after that
lilac swallow
As a bleeder It fits beter being endurance
indigo sun
its bite force needs a tone down too. i'll agree with the alt turn especiallu
indigo sun
if you bleed things out but cant chase after anything cause youre out of stam then whats the point of bleed
ebon trout
I would consider the bite force change after seeing how the other changes effected it
lilac swallow
Giga is just a bit slower than rex
lament kayak
trot it down like giga always has
indigo sun
but with that fast ass ambush youre suggesting, why should it keep its trot speed?
lilac swallow
The only genuinely slow Dino in the game is trike
prisma lily
how the heck do you find giga slow? gigas are notoriously good at keeping pace with most dinos currently, overtaking many with just its trot
indigo sun
i dont see how something gets what 46 km ambush and still gets to go that fast with trot
ebon trout
So if the bite force doesnt change how the bleed dmg is totaled im ok with the bite force being lowered. I dont know the algorithm though so im not sure how bite force interacts with bleed
prisma lily
gigas speed is already really good where its at, if you are caught with low stam against a giga it WILL catch you
lilac swallow
Bite force has nothing to do with bleed
ebon trout
If that is the case ya im ok with gigas having less bite force
indigo sun
rex doesnt even have that high of an ambush and has a slow trot to compensate for its higher ambush
bite force doesnt have much to do with bleed, it's mainly just raw damage
lament kayak
Giga trot is almost like a low effort sprint
ebon trout
Giga has god trot but they should
Thats their thing
They are bleeders its fits very well
lilac swallow
And with only 3 km/h less than its only predator giga can run away from It if It seeisnthe rex
ebon trout
They are the apex bleeder
indigo sun
if giga gets a high ambush and a fast trot then why does it have either the trot or the ambush? it doesnt need the ambush if it's an endurance hunter and it doesnt need the fast trot if its going to be ambushing things
lament kayak
Even with low stam and allo speed back in progression days, they did well
indigo sun
this isnt progression
indigo sun
what is the point of giving an endurance hunter an ambush that great
its not necessary for its role
at all
lilac swallow
Bleed is for long fights, for long fights you prefer stam over speed, just like raw dmg is for fast fights
Giga wins by making a fight as long as possible but It cant be long with only 30 secs of stam
indigo sun
rex is a brawler. it's fast for a short period and makes up for its lacking stamina with bone break, which it uses to try and keep prey in place once it doesnt have much stamina. giga is a bleeder. it can run in and bite things, then circle and keep the thing on its feet until it can either get another bite in or make the thing drop dead. it would use its stamina for this
lament kayak
my plan with ambush was to let the giga get a quick few bites, and then slowly trot it down till it gets tired out. It's basically what it already does but now it catches up quickly at first, then slows down and lets bleed get to its prey
A low base speed is fine though
indigo sun
it shouldnt be slowly trotting things down. it should make things run out of stamina by keeping up with it easily with trot
lilac swallow
And whats the counterplay for that, and how giga bites again if the prey wont bleed out
barren zephyr
doing 700 damage + all that bleed and mass makes it more of a generalist
If you give it same stam as rex
indigo sun
we know its a generalist
indigo sun
dont make giga rely on ambush with shitty stam
lament kayak
I want to lower damage
barren zephyr
Giga should be a bleeder, not a generalist
lilac swallow
The dmg is not the point of the convo now gidorah
lilac swallow
Look at the suggestion
indigo sun
if it relies on ambush but cant do the damage to end fights fast enough, it wont be able to kill things properly because the prey can just run away
lilac swallow
Is asking to give Rex speed and stam to giga
lament kayak
I forgot to add damage reduction
barren zephyr
And plus rex was actually faster than giga in real life
indigo sun
regardless of damage reduction, what does giga ugh whats the word, get out of low damage, low stamina, and high ambush? it doesnt have the stamina to keep things up and on their feet and it doesnt have the damage to end the fight quickly
barren zephyr
do not trust google for information
lilac swallow
I need to know who would play Rex/giga with these changes they end just being reskins
barren zephyr
Who would play rex over giga
indigo sun
and again, if giga gets that good ass ambush, why does it deserve the fast trot too?
lament kayak
I just thought an ambush would help with catching prey, everytime I catch prey its because I used trot and then burned down stam at the very end
paper oriole
thats what you are supposed to do
barren zephyr
That'll make giga completely invalidate Tyrannosaurus
lilac swallow
And how you keep a prey with 30 sec of stam without bone break
paper oriole
giga is better to hunt with than rex honestly
lament kayak
it already does well with current stats
barren zephyr
Too well
lilac swallow
Giga is the better apex at moving around
barren zephyr
a little too well
lament kayak
I just wonder how it would fit in with new stats
lilac swallow
I would just be a rex
barren zephyr
with no bone break
lilac swallow
Is like giving a dilo a jump and utah better night vision, you got 2 clones
indigo sun
it wouldnt fit with new stats. if the current stats already work for the giga's role which is to trot, not ambush, then there's no point in changing that
lament kayak
you can't exactly have a giga be extremely fast with 50+ seconds of stam either
so there's no real room for much change
other than damage
indigo sun
giga doesnt need ambush or running speed to catch anything though
lament kayak
which needs change
lilac swallow
In fact giga doesnt need any role changing tweaks It just need a tone down, is fine in its curre t role
lilac swallow
Is in a good spot if It werent overtuned
indigo sun
its bite force is a bit high which that could be taken care of easily and it then fits a perfect bleeder role. it bites things, gets the bleed, then trots to keep them on their feet
barren zephyr
This rex is the most balanced rex so far
indigo sun
there's no reason for anything to change with it and changing it turns it into either more of a generalist or just a sad rex clone
lilac swallow
And even if op i dare to say this giga is one of the most balanced, just a bit overtuned
indigo sun
it has very few changes that need to be made so i'd say its doing pretty good balance wise
paper oriole
giga is honestly better than rex in all ways except fighting rex lol
paper oriole
if rex gets unlucky with bb a giga will kick its ass too
paper oriole
tbh theyre both fine there just needs to be less of them
lament kayak
Does 400-600 damage sound good?
lilac swallow
Gigas only fear is also avoidable
barren zephyr
550 N
lament kayak
Giga could use 40 ambush instead of 39 still
barren zephyr
No.
lament kayak
just because why not
barren zephyr
Because thats rex's stuff
lilac swallow
Why yes
barren zephyr
rex is the ambush hunter
paper oriole
yea giga needs less raw power more reliance on a good bleed but otherwise it's fine the way it is, he doesn't need a speed or ambush change
lilac swallow
Ambushing is rex
barren zephyr
rex is meant to be the one punishing you
lilac swallow
Rex is the "noobslayer" of the game
lament kayak
Nah I think giga is better at killing things Dead
indigo sun
rex has the ambush, giga has the trot. why on earth does giga even need an ambush
lament kayak
3 bites on a trike can bleed it out
That's what needs a change
No one seems to pay attention to that
lilac swallow
I do pay attention for that
indigo sun
are you saying giga does too much bleed or something?
lament kayak
no
paper oriole
hopefully with the recode trike becomes more of a tank with locational and impact, but yeah thats insane lol
no giga has too much raw power bite behind the bleed
lament kayak
The damage is why it bleeds trike out so quick
indigo sun
yeah we all agree giga's bite is too strong
lament kayak
Reduce the biteforcd
Also, how do you all feel about the new sprint turn radius versus old one?
lilac swallow
Giga bite dmg is too strong, and only unreasonable giga mains dont know that
lament kayak
Giga is more fun as a bleeder
paper oriole
im sure they know, they just don't complain lol
lilac swallow
No, i know people that wants giga stronger
indigo sun
people want giga to kill rex, the one thing that actually kills it
lilac swallow
Is sad but is true
lament kayak
I never play giga due to its raw damage
paper oriole
giga can kill rex the chance just favours the rex
south flower
For the decrease the map size suggestion, I’d definitely vote for increasing player population over the other.
paper oriole
people who think giga should be balanced based on its chance in a fight with rex are idiots
lament kayak
Remember, two gigas is deadlier than 2 rexes
lilac swallow
1 giga is desdlier than a rex
lament kayak
Not always
indigo sun
you can outstam the rexes, cant outstam the gigas cause they'll just trot your ass down
if they didnt evaporate mid tiers i'd probably be in love with giga and its play style
lilac swallow
Diablos can scape rexes even being slower
lament kayak
So yeah, 500 biteforce or less will do
indigo sun
diablos can kill rexes, theyre terrifying little beasts
lilac swallow
But the smae diablos are screwed vs a giga
lament kayak
oh yeah
7 diablos put 2 gigas on max bleed
Also keep in mind that the gigas relied solely on alt turn
lilac swallow
Diablo is almost as good at fighting Rex than trike and is way faster than trike. Is sad
indigo sun
right now diablo is just better trike
lament kayak
Diablo is under rated, don't fuck with em
paper oriole
poor trike ):
lament kayak
Diablo is fine as is
indigo sun
trike shouldnt be just a bigger diablo damnit. help it out a bit
lament kayak
allos will make quick work of diablos tho
lilac swallow
Trikes isnt even a bigger diablo
paper oriole
trike is just obese diablo with asthma rn
lilac swallow
Is a worse one
indigo sun
true
paper oriole
walking burger king
lament kayak
Trike just needs more raw damage, just a little
barren zephyr
feed rexes
lament kayak
Right now, trike can only win if it stomps once and gore spams
lilac swallow
So true
paper oriole
i dearly hope trike gets some good shit with the recode so he isn't just a walking buffet
lament kayak
Only for rex you must stomp
lilac swallow
Yeah gore is almost better than stomp, stomp is better as a finisher
lament kayak
Trikes really are only deadly in herds
lilac swallow
While Rex and gigas are deadly solo and in packs
paper oriole
trike doesnt even have the choice to walk away from fights because he's slow as fuk
lilac swallow
As i allways say, if i cant chose the fight at least It needs to be easier for me
viral creek
why is there another giga suggestion
paper oriole
god knows
viral creek
not a very good change tho
lilac swallow
Agree
lament kayak
Its been discussed
viral creek
okay
lilac swallow
But still not a buff suggestion
paper oriole
eh no need
lilac swallow
Leave It, doesnt need to delete it
lament kayak
It'd be more relevant if rex was slow
lilac swallow
uncleraptor
paper oriole
like the guy who said diablo needed a nerf because it killed his utah
lilac swallow
Ew
paper oriole
when he attacked it
lilac swallow
Remember that?
paper oriole
and spent all day insulting people
viral creek
lol
lament kayak
A diablo is supposed to destroy carnos and solo allos
lilac swallow
I was there
viral creek
diablo is awesome
paper oriole
was some funny shit
lament kayak
What do you think all of that meat and horns is for?
viral creek
wanna here a funny joke
lament kayak
I have a better suggestion
viral creek
uncleraptor
lilac swallow
Diablo is half the speed and double the grow time why shouldnt It kill a utah
viral creek
Good idea
paper oriole
i got another funny joke: "shant needs to be nerfed and rely on herds because herbivores shouldn't be viable for solo play"
viral creek
400N?
lament kayak
500-400
lilac swallow
400 feels fine
lament kayak
400 is bad against sauropods tho
lament kayak
I think 500 is a good temporary change
its a decent middle ground, and can be tweaked
viral creek
i've seen worse
lilac swallow
A sauropod wont notice 400 or 500 a sauropod will only die to bleed
viral creek
utah dragon rp at docks
indigo sun
450 seems like a good inbetween
lament kayak
no, bleed resist factors in
paper oriole
lol yea utahs think they're the hottest shit. and 500 works while balancing things out
viral creek
I mean bleed is being reworked, so we'll see
lament kayak
I believe giga bleed is almost useless unless you get several bites on a sauropod
You'll need some damage
So 400 is too weak
viral creek
I mean, sauropods were huge animals
barren zephyr
You are suppose to be doing that
lilac swallow
I think im the only utah player that knows my Dino is just for killing juvies and ocasinally pack hunt a mid tier
lament kayak
450-500 is good
indigo sun
450-500
viral creek
Bleed them slowly overtime
paper oriole
when locational comes in that will have to be considered too, there will be spots where that bleed will do very well i think
barren zephyr
remember
lament kayak
yeah but gigas were sauropod hunters and are still great at it
lament kayak
hop on sandbox and attack a pue
barren zephyr
giga never hunted argentinosaurus <-
viral creek
Either that, or flesh grazing could be a thing.
barren zephyr
^
lament kayak
They hunted smaller sauropods I believe
viral creek
Bite off a chunk of meat, injure the sauropod, get food. but you don't need to kill it
indigo sun
should take a good bit of patience to kill a sauropod, not just a few bits
lilac swallow
A Rex shouldnt be killing sauropods with raw dmg, this is where giga bleed comes into action, you cant kill brute force with less brute force
indigo sun
*bites
paper oriole
should take a coordinated pack to keep the saurapod busy to kill it
barren zephyr
^
lament kayak
@indigo sun Yeah, but sometimes sauropods may heal faster than you deal damage
lilac swallow
You cant heal while bleeding dont you?
paper oriole
also though neither of the sauros are balanced to survival yet so that is subject to change in the future
lament kayak
they can heal bleed off almost instantly if low enough
barren zephyr
You cant heal when bleeding.
lilac swallow
They are gonna get balance before being put in survival as either playable or ai
viral creek
Depends on sauropod bleed resistence
lament kayak
You know how when juvies bite you, you almost always heal the bleed off within a few seconds? Sometimes pue heals off bleed like that
viral creek
Either that, or giga could have an exclusive ability that will lower bleed resist overtime
lilac swallow
Or lower the bleed heal
lament kayak
does bleed at all scale with weightmass?
paper oriole
sauros could also be resistent to raw damage but weak to bleed somehow making them more specified prey for giga
lament kayak
I don't think anyone really has the formula yet
lilac swallow
@paper oriole high hp but bad bleed resist?
lament kayak
Wait, why scrap weight?
indigo sun
theyre changing combat a good bit so i'm assuming this will make damage easier to calculate and also weight's kinda been fucky i think
barren zephyr
Uhm
indigo sun
weight's gonna affect other things like food output or something like that
indigo sun
just not combat
paper oriole
weight makes sense for some things, but it is pretty iffy yeh
like weight is a factor during a stomp certainly
lament kayak
You can just reduce damage heavily of course, so utah damage is almost always healed off by a trike in seconds
paper oriole
utah biting a trike should be like a pigeon biting a horse lol
lament kayak
Maybe they'll have a system deciding what does damage to what
paper oriole
maybe with pounce they could deal something but running by and biting? na
i mean if they do manage to latch on and scratch for a good several seconds
lament kayak
Just have simple tiers and requirements
indigo sun
you can make things do a set amount of damage to other creatures without all that weight calculation added in
lament kayak
you just need tiers for a final touch
tbh why do people think utahs should be so powerful
indigo sun
jurassic park
blazing charm
@willow zealot They're already pretty fast if I recall, although most of the time you never see it because they just down the corpse in one go.
willow zealot
I just thought off a suggestion I should of suggested a while ago
fathom harness
It would be nice for parent dinos to be able to protect their children by standing over them, taking the damage from whatever is attacking.
night mountain
like, make them invincible even though you can get at them?
sick crescent
shell mica
Does the game increase collisions?
prisma lily
babies are gonna have to suffer and learn to avoid trample damage, that’s just how it be. you ever see a documentary on how like even elephants can accidentally crush their own offspring when trying to fend off an attack? babies should not be under there
thorny lynx
Trample should only occur when running
Or maybe a trot if something I really small, like rex vs juvie Utah, rip
crimson phoenix
trample already only does damage when the dino is sprinting
also, anyone else notice that ribs on the thenya map will go to the surface of the water if the body was in water?
sick crescent
trample should only apply when running I agree
night mountain
Oh yeah agreed on that, being able to trample your own babies just by walking would be terrible
torn thistle
I feel that very small things (Psittaco, Veloci, Hatchling / Fresh Juvies) should get trampled anyway, depending on the size of the trample-ee. Teach the kids not to walk directly beneath their multi-ton parents.
night mountain
I feel like that'd make giga even MORE broken and overpopulated once brachi and cama are in. All you'd really have to do is follow a brachi around and bite it once in a while
viral creek
The main issue for giga to me is how he shitfucks mid tier animals, and how easy he is to achieve, not really how survivable he is.
still temple
Hardly anyone bothers walking anyways, there needs to be a bigger incentive/reason to choose walk over trot
viral creek
Gigas will still have challenges (Gigas who aren't very good at giga-ing) will still be rex meals. And combined with the alt turn nerf, giga will also be huntable by smaller animals, which should help with population control.
@night mountain
night mountain
I guess, but theres gonna be way more gigas if brachi isn't a super rare spawn, and would also make playing a cama or brachi a nightmare if there are just flesh grazing gigas living off ai everywhere.
alt turn nerf sounds fine though
im not like crazy deadset against it, it just seems like it'll make a crazy boost to the giga population
viral creek
You never really know until you try lol
sick crescent
I mean camara would probably need a buff before it releases into surv
its growth for current stats is iffy
7 hours?
north vector
Cama needs a size buff first
viral creek
Well, yeah
sick crescent
if giga flesh grazes big dinosaurs, it shouldnt really kill them.
lament kayak
they better be biting a specific area of said sauropod like a piranha
Because as you can imagine, its gonna make a sauropod bleed a lot
and why not reduce ai spawns?
viral creek
Potentially yeah
Flesh grazing isn't intended to kill sauropods. I may elaborate on that
lament kayak
But flesh grazing should be hard to achieve of course
sick crescent
i still gotta make the giga interaction on my lambeo doss
which is gonna be a fun one lol
lament kayak
Maybe the flesh graze enables a stun effect which hurts their jaws and makes em unable to harm sauropods for a bit
viral creek
Either that, or we could just have a cooldown for grazing the same animal.
I'll add some stuff
Edited.
lament kayak
maybe the sauropod will have an "enraged state" and become sharper attack wise
so better turning, wider and faster attacks
viral creek
Sauropods in general should be very dangerous
lament kayak
and a very aggressive call
I was thinking of a rage mechanic for dinos but its only an idea
viral creek
So if you bite in an area where the sauropod can damage you, you're gonna take a bearing.
I actually made a species specific gimmick with a rage mechanic 😛
lament kayak
I might have many ideas for such mechanic
If there is a rage mechanic
music would be nice
viral creek
uh lemme find the rage mechanic i had
lament kayak
and maybe the dino would breathe heavily
viral creek
made this for diablo earlier
lament kayak
I have a theme in mind, A very specific theme
I think rage can be built up and in order to use it, you'd press 5
Killing hatchlings or longtime pack mates may enable rage, and during this time, the dino will generally roar very aggressively
The duration could be a minute or two long, and stam would either slowly deplete or even cease to deplete
The bites become faster, the dinosaur starts off in ambush
And attacks generally become harder to control but stronger
viral creek
I mean it sounds cool, but idk how it would work in practice.
neat flicker
The base of it sounds cool, just would need more heads to tweak it