general-feedback-discussion

[lilac swallow]

This isnt a realism game but It isnt ark neither lets put limits

[jovial blade]

Lmaooo

Yea the horns went too far something ark would do

[finite perch]

ark put feathers on titanoboa, isle can scale animals differently. as they currently do

[still temple]

still needs to somewhat be close to it's irl counterpart

[finite perch]

point to where i said it should be a far cry from reality

[still temple]

like if it's a few meters off, then it's fine. But you cant just upsize / downsize sth multiple times to fit a forced niche

[lilac swallow]

There is a difference in taking artistic liberties and just throwing a made up Dino and calling It like a real one

[jovial blade]

I'd just rather keep it to real as much as you can, but when balancing comes into play its fair to change it up a bit

[barren zephyr]

a huge dryo is just a campto

[jovial blade]

I want to feel like im playing the real thing

Not a upsized one

or modified

Dammit im typing like that again im sorry lol

[lilac swallow]

As pj said i want It to be as real as possible without breaking balance

[still temple]

like if ur adding a creature, but ignoring all sense of realism. Why bother adding that creature in the first place if you're just gonna change it to the point where it no longer resembles the source inspiration?

[finite perch]

the isle is already rather far from realism in a lot of aspects though, like utah might get renamed because its THAT far from reality

[jovial blade]

I hope utah gets redone, i'd love a feathered one

[lilac swallow]

Utah just need feather and is ok

[jovial blade]

I saw a really good picture some one added feathers to it, it looked amazing

[still temple]

JP inspired dinos are the exception to this rule

[finite perch]

feathers will be coming in a different toggle system, and also lolno it has issues and the dev team has addressed it

[still temple]

Like TI Utah is basically just a JP raptor

[indigo sun]

I think there's a difference between renaming a creature because you've realized you strayed too far from reality and just stretching a creature to fit a certain role

[jovial blade]

Hairless utah will be ugly when feathers are in muhahaha

[still temple]

a good example of this is Cerato rex, remember that mess of an upsize?

[lilac swallow]

And still jp inspired dinos still resemble the dinos, like utah is just a naked utah give It feathers and no need to rename it

[still temple]

@lilac swallow it's going to be renamed allegedly according to the devs

it's no where near close to it's IRL counterpart even anatomically

IRL utah is bulky, thicc, and slow

[jovial blade]

I hear it can't even juimp

jump*

[indigo sun]

So they've recognized that what they've made is inaccurate and theyre changing the name because it's too far from what the animal was originally supposed to be

[still temple]

irl utah can't jump/pounce like JP raptors, but it could technically still do a small hop or sth

[finite perch]

but they also went ahead and made their utah when the actual science if what it is out and popularized, but they wanted a certain look and gameplay for the dino

[barren zephyr]

a juvie utah ingame can weight 600kilos when fully grown.
an adult rex's Biteforce is 1200N 😐

[finite perch]

isle is realistic in the sense of survival, but it is not an edutainment game

[lilac swallow]

Dont take weight and bite force as actual weight and bite force

[jovial blade]

Unless you're fighting same dino

[barren zephyr]

glad weight is getting reworked

[lilac swallow]

Specially considering that even trikes has their dmg listed as bite force even if they dont bite

[jovial blade]

I just hope they fix bleed

Dilo bleeding out 8 tonne dinos from ankle bites

lol

[lilac swallow]

Pj thats more a matter of locatinal dmg

But still i think they are reworking bleed too

[still temple]

tbh ceratopsid beaks would do a lot of damage

it's essentially a giant parrot beak

[lilac swallow]

That wasnt my point really

[still temple]

eh, just saying

[lilac swallow]

Ok

[night mountain]

hippos literally cannot swim

oops didnt scroll down lol

replied to old post

[still temple]

oof

[barren zephyr]

@torpid wedge

theropod tails were stiff

they werent suited for bending like you want

[jovial blade]

@barren zephyr Still needs work

Their tail literally is straight

[barren zephyr]

they could bend a bit bit

[jovial blade]

It should have bend

doesn't matter if its small or big

should still have a bend

[deep bolt]

Mating calls

[indigo sun]

I dont see a reason for it

why

[blazing charm]

@deep bolt You actually kinda need to explain it.

[deep bolt]

Mating call = wanna smash

[indigo sun]

Is that it?

When you can 2 call, talk in local/group, and probably end up choosing your mate once the patriarch thing in nests is available, you want a mating call?

[deep bolt]

It's in the name Mating calls cause a variety of animals have different vocalizations but dinos may have had as well

[indigo sun]

Just because they might have had it doesnt make it necessary for this game

[blazing charm]

What mechanical purpose would mating calls serve?

[deep bolt]

More smexy sounds

[blazing charm]

What you're saying sounds like it's something that would be useful for roleplayers.

[deep bolt]

True

[indigo sun]

So, it'd useless for anyone who didn't care to use mating calls and instead just decided on a mate, thus wasting resources working on mating call for each of the15 maybe dinosaurs?

[blazing charm]

Something like a broadcast or even 2 call serve very similar purposes.

Also upvoting your own suggestion is yucky

[deep bolt]

Deal with it 😉

[jovial blade]

Mating sounds is useless

People only nest with pack members

So calling out would be pointless

[waxen elk]

bute

muh kawai dino owo

[finite perch]

in a non-troll sense, i do prefer a kind of call over BoB's method of pheromones. imo that is so, so, SO incredibly creepy

however following someone around and mating call...ing... at them would be uh. worse

[indigo sun]

a call would be better than pheromones, but it'd serve no purpose

[finite perch]

i see how its functionally not very useful, but i can see some issue with people having to leave group to mate with a member of a different pack, or getting spammed with requests by someone in your pack and needing to leave

a call wouldnt help that situation either tho lmao

i think thats when you just bite the fucker the death, eh?

[pale prairie]

@lone pagoda we already get videos showcasing new animations once they're finished.

[indigo sun]

oh yeah, they do animation previews showing off finished animations and stuff so im not sure what you mean by that last bit

[lone pagoda]

Yeah I know but I mean small snippets of like, a biting animation

that’s a finished animation

i’ll remove it so i dont cause confusion

[pale prairie]

why showcase one single animation when you can wait until every animation is complete and show them all at once

[teal grotto]

Ever noticed that Giga takes 6.5 hours to grow? and the Rex takes alot less and the rex is better in every other way? 🤔

[night mountain]

i mean you could make the same argument for lots of things

whats the point in herbivores having 4 calls?

[lunar sandal]

for when the herbivores fight

and lose said fight

[fading shadow]

[jovial blade]

Herb 4 call is good in herds

Let's the herd know of danger

@teal grotto Eh giga is better vs mid tiers

so not bad trade off

[opaque elk]

I've seen plenty of rexes get killed by gigas

Depends on the player

[elder swan]

@primal copper @mental prairie the hitboxes are a latency issue that will be fixed with the recode. it's not specifically where the player is or where its hitboxes are, its about where the server says they are, which might not be the same place the player sees themselves at.

[lunar sandal]

wait server decided where hitboxes are?

[elder swan]

if i recall correctly, foszor explained the host server as a black screen that basically says "player x is here" "player y is here" "player x attacked" hit yes/no (among countless other things, but just for the example of combat)

where the host server says the player is may not be the same place the players screen shows

if i'm wrong correct me, but that's how i understood it and it makes sense to me

he also sais that animations shouldn't drive the game, so just because the mouth/horns moved through a player doesn't mean it should register as a hit

[mental prairie]

@elder swan I hope to god they are fixed, fighting Caron’s is literally a nightmare that cost me my sucho and it’s bs

[elder swan]

check #401464048610312195

[dull jungle]

Anyone else think cerato should be a bit bigger maybe not as big as allo but almost as big

[still temple]

no

[night mountain]

Sure cama could trample a giga

you have a sauropod step on your foot and tell me how that feels

[grand brook]

Problem I have with adding too much ai, specially ai that uses playable dinos, is that you are basically making saurian 2.0, and we already have that. Losing your dino is part of the game aswell, it may be frustrating but that's how survival is. Also it's very jarring playing as any of those herbivores and seeing a "non sentient" version of you walking around, maybe that's just me.

[night mountain]

Can confirm, I play on servers where people are avas sometimes and always spend a few minutes with ai ones trying to see if they're people or not lol

[grand brook]

now imagine that with maias, dibbles...

[night mountain]

I personally REALLY don't want ai carnivores until they massively overhaul ai

like the velos already launch in and assride you perfectly most of the time, I can't imagine actual large ai carnivores

[grand brook]

me neither but those would be either solitary or in small groups

what Kacchan is suggesting is entire herds

[night mountain]

iirc velos ALSO dont account for you hiding and just magically hone in on you

oh yeah i was just saying that in general

[grand brook]

what is the point of playing herbivore and form a massive herd if there's already ai that simulates that?

[night mountain]

imo 4-5 packs of rexs shouldn't be allowed at all, let alone have special things to help them do it.

[grand brook]

^preach, the herbivore carnivore ratio cannot be solved by throwing more ai herbivores

and the apex problem would only increase

[night mountain]

I personally hope they knock apex carnivores down to having pairs at most.

[grand brook]

also i'm not entirely sure why everyone reacted with yikes at the suggestion of modern day wildlife in the game, is there something i missed?

[night mountain]

MAYBE with an exception for deino since at least those can't actively come get you

My only issue with it is with how big everything is they'd provide barely any food.

other than that though livening things up with ai would be cool

little things like deer and whatever wouldn't even hurt the too many apex problem since they're SO small the food value would be barely anything

it'd be like a taco that was way harder to catch lol

[grand brook]

also deer are fast as hell

so if an apex was able to catch one even if by surprise

it still wouldn't really reward it's effort

[night mountain]

Honestly thats my worry with humans

like why would predators even bother

[grand brook]

just selfdefence most of the time

[spiral pond]

You would hunt humans as smols like dilos and Utah’s

[grand brook]

if a dude comes at me shooting imma maul the shit out of him

[night mountain]

Yeah I guess. We'll have to see how it plays out, I'm SUPER unconvinced atm that adding in humans with guns and stuff will be anything but awful

[spiral pond]

Also gallis will hunt humans

[grand brook]

i rather hunt other smol dinos, that cannot make a hole in my chest with a shotgun

what ? why ?

why would a galli even bother?

[spiral pond]

Except it would be fucking hard to hit something like galli

Plus galli would probably withstand a few normal bullets

[grand brook]

but why would a galli want to kill humans ?

[spiral pond]

Cause fuck humans

Also for the fun factor

Protecting nest, itself or juvies/ herd

[grand brook]

i'm honeslty not really convinced on the human aspect of the game

maybe when it gets released

who knows

[spiral pond]

It’s not like humans will start with shotguns

They will probably start with like a knife...to kill juvi dryos

And everything else will be super duper rare

[grand brook]

but what benefil do they get out of killing dinos?

do they eat them?

[spiral pond]

None

They will have their own objectives

And randomly just killing Dino’s will not exactly help their situation

Cause if something sees you that is faster then you as human you’re fucked without a gun

[night mountain]

idk, with how the official servers are now with everything KOSing everything I can;t imagine humans not doing it too

[grand brook]

^

[spiral pond]

They will but die afterwards

[grand brook]

precisely

[spiral pond]

Cause some random juvies will bite their ass

[night mountain]

i mean there are presumably buildings they can just go into

[spiral pond]

And ?

[night mountain]

that most other things wont fit in so they basically have total protection

[spiral pond]

Most things is key word

[grand brook]

and if they can shoot from them, you get camping

[spiral pond]

All juvies and small tiers will fit in there

[night mountain]

I mean, everything except hypo utah

[spiral pond]

Just avoid those buildings

[night mountain]

doors exist though

[spiral pond]

And ?

Galli would knock it down

If it isn’t out of metal

[grand brook]

i mean...in an island full of dinos I would make doors out the hardest stuff you can find

so you know

metal

[spiral pond]

Just avoid it tho

I don’t understand why you can’t just avoid pre generated buildings

[night mountain]

I mean if someone suggested a dinosaur that could kill most things and had a near invincible fortress and projectile attacks it'd get shot down SO fast

[spiral pond]

This isn’t ark where you have a fort behind every tree

[night mountain]

idk ive never really played ark

[spiral pond]

Good for you then

[valid zephyr]

@toxic harness pretty sure they disproved rex having lips recently

[toxic harness]

Fossil evidence on the jaws of Tyrannosaurus shows the likelihood of soft tissue covering the teeth and creating a seal, bc of the amount of foramina its MOST likely that they would. The comparison to crocodiles which are their closest living relatives (that aren’t dinosaurs themselves) doesn’t work because they’re very specialized and also still not closely related enough

[formal vine]

The isle was never about realisim

The suggestion for feathers is because it would look cool

Lore states the isle's dinos are in modern day

[toxic harness]

The isle already has some of the most accurate dinosaur models in gaming (in fact they are extremely good for the most part), and when this game first released their main selling point was that they wanted realism. I understand that times have changed and it’s taking a sci-fi route but that doesn’t mean people shouldn’t want the animals to be as accurate as they could be. All the cool, movie monster Jurassic park badassery can be expressed through the strains.

[indigo sun]

The utah is literally getting a name change because its so far removed from an actual utahraptor that it cant be called that

[formal vine]

Whats it gonna be called?

Velociraptor?

[indigo sun]

No

[formal vine]

lol

jk

[indigo sun]

I dont remember just not utah

[formal vine]

I bet they'll call it novaraptor or some made up dino like that

[indigo sun]

Its practically a made up dino so i woulnt be surprised

[toxic harness]

I just feel like if they’re already going all out with really nice models and feathers and all the “it’s sci-fi” argument is kind of lazy for small criticisms.

[formal vine]

Utahs is not utahraptor atm

as times have changed the isle is not viewed as realistic

It maybe was realistic but it isn't now.

And, biting as rex with lips probably would've hurt

[toxic harness]

Lions, tigers, and wolves all have lips. It doesn’t hurt because they bare their fangs. If lips were a disadvantage no animal would ever have them

Not saying that those animals having lips is proof that T.rex had them too, just saying that lips aren’t a burden to killing power or anything

[valid zephyr]

how is in game utah different? apart from feathers?

[violet magnet]

in-game utah is too skinny and has a different head shape from irl utah

and i think in-game utah's arms are bigger

[valid zephyr]

ah. guessing it's easier to rename than remodel then

[white torrent]

How do we know Rex, and giga had lips? As in a full covering of lips. Wasn’t it proven that they didn’t, some time ago?

Right now the rex and giga have a partial cover of lips, but not enough to where it makes it look dumb, or hides the teeth.

[still temple]

cus theropod teeth arent adapted to be exposed to dry air for long periods of time

[violet magnet]

if their teeth are exposed to the air all the time, the enamel will dry out and corrode which will cause the teeth to rot and practically fall out of their mouths

[jovial blade]

They want it to look cool

[umbral prairie]

wait theropods didn't have regrowing teeth?

wow, my dino CD from my childhood lied to me

[jovial blade]

They aren't going for realisim

Also I highly doubt dinos didnt grow back teeth

[violet magnet]

that's what i've heard at least

google'ing it now

[jovial blade]

Trex had to bite through thick armour

[violet magnet]

nevermind lol where ever i heard that from was wrong

their teeth got replaced as they were lost, but there's still the issue of enamel degradation and teeth rotting that lips would help prevent

[jovial blade]

They did it for aesthetic purposes

To look cool

They aren't aiming for realisim like I said

Highly doubt they will ever change that sort of thing

[violet magnet]

i know...

[pulsar lake]

They are aiming for realism and balancing.
It's why model are really nice but statistic, size and world is like today and not realist

And lips are not confirmed for all dinosaurs and for theropodes, we don't know if they have it

[jovial blade]

Levi when have they said they're aiming for realisim

[white torrent]

I hope they don’t add lips lmao

[teal grotto]

@pulsar lake you know there are animals that do help each other out and Basicly "mix pack" right?

[indigo sun]

What? Mix packing wasnt brought up here. We're talking about lips

[teal grotto]

If it was aimed for realism we would have that same thing as there are animals that do co-exist to survive..

Yeah but I found this neat little video.. Got me wanting to talk about tbis

This*

[white torrent]

Tbh the isle is very far from realism

I mean, a lot of animals in the isle would go extinct if it was a real life thing. Some creatures weren’t built to fight other creatures

[teal grotto]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TFAOnPvNyQI check this out.. I found this and it got me thinking could apexes have had other dinosaur friends help keep there nests safe with other carnivores?

[white torrent]

I don’t think so

[teal grotto]

Or other herbivore types it got me thinking

Cause Crocs are indeed the only dinosaur that survived so

And we see birds helping a Crocs babies. And visa versa help each other out to survive so it got me thinking could some species of raptors help other apexes out and the same apex help the other species out..

[white torrent]

Raptors would be more likely to eat the babies eggs

I think they did that because they know the monster is bad for business

[teal grotto]

Or the badger and the coyote

[white torrent]

They don’t wanna protect the crocs, they just don’t looe the monitor being anywhere near them

[teal grotto]

Yet the Croc at the end could have eaten the bird

But did not

[white torrent]

They also don’t eat cleaner birds

The birds that clean their teeth

Many crocs don’t eat birds as a whole

Point is, no raptor will help a Trex with its babies unless it’s in a semi realism sever

[teal grotto]

Then again the point still comes up what if there is some relashionships of dinos helping each other dinos the point still remains as there are many other species helping each other survive

[white torrent]

Herbivores help each other, Stegos guard Dryos and Dryos warm Stegos of preds

*warn

[still temple]

"Cause Crocs are indeed the only dinosaur that survived so"

are you sure about that

[jovial blade]

@teal grotto

They do it if theres a benefit from it

Not really helping

What they're doing just happened to benefit each other

Like how ants eat from the aphids what ever those green things are and they protect against predators

[night mountain]

"crocs are the only dinosaurs that survived" lolwat

[jovial blade]

Sharks are older then crocs

Rent they

Arent

[lilac swallow]

Sharks are ancient so i suppose that yes

[still temple]

are we just gonna ignore that they claimed crocs were dinosaurs?

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

Better ignore that

[valid zephyr]

someone needs to do some research

[pulsar lake]

I never said than The Isle was realistic in gameplay and period.
They aimed realism for models and animations. They do a type of realism but not like new discovery.
Mix packing is not the greatest realistic thing. I've seen some elephant attack hypo and wild beast charge other herbs. After some animals can help the other one but it is exceptional like whale who saved a seal from orca or lion who help a baby gazelle

Symbiosis can exist but it's for a time and for some reason

Animals are not like "Oh poor other species I gonna help him" they are like "I WILL RUN FOR MY LIFE and fight if I can't" or "I will join a pack of my species of family (zebra with wild beat or buffaloes)"

[lilac swallow]

You could say that they at least use realistic/not surrealistic models, i mean this isnt saurian but It is neither ark

[night mountain]

Animals WILL totally help other species once in a while

also herbivores totally hang out with other herbivore species like, extremely commonly

Here have buffalos saving a baby elephant from lions too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7plUOkVk4

It's usually the big tough species who just don't like carnivores though. So like gallis trying to distract a rex doesn't make much sense but something like trikes or shants or etc chasing a rex away from a hunt IS a totally plausible natural thing.

[umbral stone]

i mean with buffalos its mainly just because its a lion in their vicinity, buffalo are known to go out of their way solely to kill lions.

[night mountain]

well yeah thats what I'm saying. They do it because they don't like lions. They're still functionally helping out another species and saving them though.

Hippos and elephants and etc do it sometimes too

[lunar sandal]

the smaller carnivores like velo, hera, raptor would definitaly mix pack with larger carnivores

realistic they would clean the apexs teeth or what they can't eat

Utah i think if it was sole would stick near apex cause it can it what that can't and if it was brave mix pack but utah in pack having a apexs in the area would make sense cause one apex would scary way anything that smaller and would make a lunch out of them.

of course this only goes as far till someone starts to starve

[night mountain]

Agreed except the teeth cleaning part, aside from some stuff in the ocean nothing really does that

[lunar sandal]

birds do that though

smaller ones will clean a teeth of big carnivores

[umbral prairie]

@barren zephyr they don't give ETA's

but a dev said it will probably be after flyers get introduced, so it will still be quite some time

unless they changed their mind

[barren zephyr]

thats unfortunate im really looking forward to it feels like its taken ages

[indigo sun]

I imagine it'll come around the time that proper water mechanics are added, since theyre necessary for deino

[umbral prairie]

probably also grabbing live dinos

[vagrant crest]

The year was 2021: Deino is finally here

[night mountain]

Birds don't clean teeth, the crocodile bird thing is a weird old myth

[south flower]

Plover Birds have been known to hop in crocodiles' mouths and pick out old bits of food. That is, when the croc is not hunting for its next meal. lmao

But this is probably off topic

[indigo sun]

@junior pollen what do you mean free look?

[junior pollen]

like hold alt like in arma and you can look free while walking

[indigo sun]

You mean looking around? I'm sorry i dont play arma i dont quite understand

[lilac swallow]

I currently do it i just change the key im pressing while doing so

I think It means looking around while your Dino moves

I may be wrong

[indigo sun]

Oh. Yeah, if you look to the side, press the key in the direction youre walking. So if I'm walking forward and look left, I press d to keep going in the same direction

[junior pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7FRk2uPgo

2:15

like that

[valid zephyr]

if you're going to post arma then you should have posted sovietwomble

[junior pollen]

oh god i love his videos

[tawdry crow]

We basically have free look already

because your character turns and runs the same speed in every direction

[vestal rune]

ye what is the purpose of this?

you can already look in every direction easily even while moving

all free look would do is allow you to move your camera without moving your head, but that shouldn't be an option as the head moving is there for a reason

[night mountain]

No, plovers do not pick stuff out of crocodile teeth. I don't see why dinosaurs would either since no land animal has ever been known to clean the teeth of anything else. Maybe like, tiny fish could do something like that if aquatics get added in, or something.

[indigo sun]

the most that feeds off of the scraps directly from something else's mouth that I can think of is the little fish that latch onto sharks and eat what falls out of their mouths

[night mountain]

Yeah remoras steal scraps and poop and sometimes parasites, cleaner fish and shrimp WILL go entirely into something's mouth though, but the bird thing was made up by some photographer ages ago. They're both common well studied animals and the behavior has never once been actually recorded past some dude like 1500 years ago saying it happens

[next nexus]

Free look suggestion would be more beneficial for humans once they are added, I can see it being considered like how rust does it or arma but in a first person mode instead of 3rd person. Dinosaurs already have the ability to free look but we have no idea what is planned for humans

[jovial blade]

Id want a form of pov

Because hunting through trees is annoying

Your body has to be out of the tree to see

[night mountain]

Yeah agreed, we really need it. If not pov -some- method of being able to peek out of bushes and stuff. It's dumb you have to take like 3 entire steps out of the treeline if you want to peek out.

[shell willow]

all I can understand as far as mixpacking goes is that it's pretty one-sided.
scavengers would hang around apexes and eat whatever they couldn't but the apexes wouldn't hand them food and help them when they were starving, and they wouldn't hesitate to kill them if they got in the way

[white falcon]

@night mountain no, it happens... since crocs and alligators cool off by opening their mouths wide, and they don’t consider the birds worthwhile prey, they don’t care what the birds do. An alligator can only really get 1 chance for a good snap, which also factors into the “worthwhile prey” thing. Death rolls are where a lot of damage comes from.

The birds pick out the guck they consider food and are relatively safe.

[verbal acorn]

I don’t like carnivore mix packs. Yes, large carnivores might tolerate small scavengers...but that’s not same as working with them.

Large carnivores might tolerate small scavengers mainly because it’s not worth the energy to chase them away...but let them get too close while the large carnivores are eating. The little scavenger could easily find himself as another meal.

Once the large carnivore is fed, the little scavenger might be tolerate on the kill...but that’s only if the large carnivore once again deems it not worth the energy to chase them off.

Nonetheless, the little scavenger is always going to need to stay on the fringes...and the scavenger(s) can’t be in such numbers to be too much of a drain on the large carnivore’s food intake.

What I don’t want to see a mix pack of carnivores aiding/supporting each other to make a kill and sharing the rewards of that kill with no concern of being preyed upon by the other species.

Because it’s too easy to exploit or appearing to exploit a mix pack, it’s best to just force species to keep their distance. Avoiding the appearance of evil is just as important as avoiding actual evil in this case.

[white falcon]

Mixed herbies should really be a thing especially in the group menu... it’s annoying not being able to team up with one of the other scarce herbies as a group. Covering the bases for the eternal underdogs.

[lunar sandal]

this true but carnivores do on occusion mix pack we see this in wild for moment i can only think of in ocean at the moment but everyone tolerate each other for large group of fish that are in area.

Plus when you have herbies mix pack you get the sole or 5 apexes can't get near them. Cause it's too dangerous to hunt a herd that size. So realistic when that happens your going to have carnivores work together to take down as many as possible for them to all eat.

Plus small scavenger are safe from the larger apexs cause they not meal so long as the apexs aren't straving they won't waste engery on them they wait for bigger food

[indigo sun]

Fortunately this isn't realism so we're hopefully not gonna allow carnivores to team up and murder some of the weakest dinosaurs that rely on herding for their strength

I cant think of land carnivores that team up with other species to kill things. Hyenas and vultures often end up pushing lions off of their prey, not sharing it. Leopards get pushed off of their own prey plenty of times by things when theyre not fast enough to drag it up a tree, komodo dragons dont share, neither do crocodiles. Those only eat with their own species

[verbal acorn]

Herb mix packs are fine. Utahs following a pack of Gigas is fine...as long as they don’t engage in the hunt and keep their distance...only feeding on ribs the Gigas can’t eat after they move on.

Utahs reconning for prey as advanced scouts for a pack of Gigas is not ok, that’s mix packing.

[indigo sun]

it'd be very hard to prove that though if . Like a pack of utahs could find a herd then walk off and tell their apex friends and let the apexes do the work, then eat after a bit. Like, how could the herbivores tell that the utahs were or were not telling the gigas their location if theyre in another discord, or if its a group of friends texting each other?

[verbal acorn]

That being said, my Carnivores kill Utahs...mainly because most of ya’ll Utahs are ass holes!

@indigo sun Exactly, that’s why it’s best to just say all carnivore/carnivore packs keep their distance...it’s just best to avoid the appearance of evil when it comes to carnivore packs.

But that’s the only real “protection” from carnivore mix packs we can have

[indigo sun]

Herbivores are generally weaker than carnivores, with the exception of a few, and they very much rely on numbers and different herbivores to keep them safe. Carnivores don't have this same issue, and carnivores being able to mix pack is just far too strong. Carnivores are also very much on the offense. Herbivores often end up on defense and need something to keep entire herds from getting wiped out. You could be smart, like me, and keep an eye on a larger carnivore until it leaves the area and then eat whatever its left over if youre having trouble hunting.

[verbal acorn]

As a large or medium carnivore, I will tolerate small carnivores eating my scraps...but will not tolerate them hanging out with me. I will growl and mock charge them away...but won’t chase them off scraps after I’ve moved on.

[lunar sandal]

as someone who plays rex i tolerate the smaller carnivores eating my own scraps as will and so long as they don't get to close to where i rest i don't care if they to close i tend to get up which usually send them running away from me.

[cedar echo]

I'm trying to think, when the ptera is in how are they going to make it so people don't use it for the ultimate scout for their rex or something? anyone have any ideas or know how this can be countered? cuz i saw someone post something about how there should be a way to be able to counter that the ptera can be a scout for a hungry rex or a giga

[indigo sun]

they've got a solution

they just haven't told us what it is

[cedar echo]

what is it?

ohhh ok

well i guess we will find out after the re-code

[indigo sun]

Indeed

[cedar echo]

well thanks it was just really bugging me since it got introduced

[night mountain]

i hope the solution isnt you cant see people from high up

[cedar echo]

how high do you mean? because the ptera must be able to see from some distance to actually hunt

[indigo sun]

making it unable to see things from high up would make it practically useless. the point of flight is a bird's eye view that can easily allow something to escape so if it escapes one predator but cant see the other until it lands, it's kinda fucked

[cedar echo]

thats what i thought, to be able to hunt it would need to be able to see things from a distance so idk

well like you said we will find out eventually

[night mountain]

yeah i know i was saying I hope thats NOT the solution

Having trouble thinking what else it could be though. Any ideas?

[indigo sun]

I just hope it works, i cant think of how though

[cedar echo]

hmmmm

im trying to think....

[indigo sun]

i've got no creativity

[cedar echo]

same here XD

[night mountain]

I just cant really think of anything else that could stop it, like at all

[cedar echo]

dondi im begging you please

let me know of your secrets

jk ill wait like everyone else

[night mountain]

If I had to bet on it i'd bet the solution is you can't see live players from up high, but can see gore and maybe small AI. I don't want it to work like that but really can't think of anything else they could have done to make it work

i hope im wrong

[cedar echo]

im sure they have thought of something smart, thy always do

they*

[night mountain]

yeah hopefully!

also for the bodies suggestion I feel like the easier and more reliable solution would be to make them float

[indigo sun]

i believe that's planned

[cedar echo]

well when body dragging comes into the game and if the bodies float then that means you will be able to drag bodies out of the water with ease

[night mountain]

sounds good to me

honestly i wanna bait people with deino and floating bodies

gators basically do stuff like that so sounds fun

[cedar echo]

do they? i didnt think that gators and crocs bait other animals in. i thought they dragged bodies under logs and such to save them for the future

and also im pretty sure that if there were bodies everywhere in a lake no herbivore would dare to get close because tis marked as a death zone

[night mountain]

Gators do it with sticks under colonies of nesting herons/egrets. Not food but not too far off

[cyan token]

Maybe the fix for the "ptera-spy" problem will be that you cant easily spot a flying creature from the ground, unless theyre flying low; but that gives the flyer the risk of flying into something and getting hurt

[valid zephyr]

doesn't that defeat the point of flyers though? being able to see what they want to eat from up high

[cyan token]

They could still see whats down below them, but whats down below them cant necessarily see them easily

[torpid wedge]

i dont see how that does anything

[cyan token]

apexes wouldnt be able to follow the ptera as easily for it to spy out prey for them

[violet magnet]

the ptera could just give the apexes coords in a discord vc or chatroom

the main problem with the ptera spy issue is the pteras themselves

[jovial blade]

Why would the apexes need to follow the pteradom

The pteradon just tells them where they see herds or players

[night mountain]

yeah like aside from crippling the pteras vision i cant think of a single solitary way of stopping it

god i hope ptera can still see stuff from high up

[jovial blade]

Unless its stam is bad

[night mountain]

its not, they confirmed that

[jovial blade]

Then how tf are they going to combat it

[night mountain]

no clue

[jovial blade]

I cant think of anything

[night mountain]

ptera flight was said to really only use stam to go UP or go faster than normal

[valid zephyr]

it's so frustrating how tiny minority of cancerous players are the entire problem with the ptera

yet it's such a gamebreaking issue

[night mountain]

idk they say they have a fix for it, i just cant imagine what

this also sounds awful but maybe they cant fly inland much??

[valid zephyr]

that would be pretty bad too

invisible wall that you can't pass

i can't see any way of doing it without essentially ruining the ptera

[split sphinx]

I'm hereee, and Im newww

[grand brook]

i assume that will be the case because as you mentioned the toe claw and jaws will be used at the same time, but they need a way to counter the pouncing, because otherwise it's a broken gimmick

[brittle bough]

stop drop and roll, the utah needs to unlatch before they roll or they'll take damage (or maybe bb from large targets) lul

[grand brook]

i was thinking of crushing them against a tree or rock, but sure that works too

[brittle bough]

ye

[stoic sentinel]

Oh for sure there should definetly be a counter to it

[violet magnet]

there's an old animation of a shant shaking to get latched utahs off

[indigo sun]

@bright delta ever heard of alt turn? It eliminates ass-riding almost completely.

[grand brook]

well...somewhat. A skilled pack of raptors or dilos can still bring down a rex, not nearly as easily as without it, but a rex is never a 100% safe

which is good, no animal is

To the "fake" bite suggestion, honestly it would be cool to have it. Waiting to grow as a hatchling or juvie is boring , so at least you could play with others to pass time

[indigo sun]

Thats why i said "almost"

[verbal acorn]

A big enough pack of just about anything should be risky...provided they posses the tools to actually damage the prey item. We do have to acknowledge that sometimes an animal is just incapable of hurting another sufficiently to induce the needed organ/system failures to cause death, or the very least, incapacitation.

You got to have big enough teeth, claws and/or strength to actually break down the prey item.

[indigo sun]

Fake bite could be the right click button, could be threatening or playful depending on the situation

[brittle bough]

ah yeah, when grown it could serve as a threat without the risk of accidentally hitting your fellows, as well

perhaps related to the toggle for fighting/passive modes like one person had suggested? since both mouse buttons are used as attacks on some dinosaurs
in passive mode, attacks wont do damage; in fighting mode, they do

[grand brook]

that sounds good

it honeslty would help pass the time and not hurt others of your group

[brittle bough]

actually now that i think about it, i played another game where there was a passive/aggressive toggle. in passive mode, attack buttons were nuzzling, feeding, and other friendly behaviors, so that's an idea. perhaps something like:
[aggressive] LMB - attack 1 | RMB - attack 2
[passive] LMB - false attack | RMB - either another false attack, or a playful or happy action (like play-bows or other happy gestures, depending on the dinosaur,) etc.

just little things to do to roleplay or pass the time

[grand brook]

the problem here is that many people don't take kindly to roleplay

[brittle bough]

well the affinity system will be to directly force you to roleplay so i'd say folks should embrace it lol

well not force but strongly suggest

[prisma lily]

im okay with roleplaying as an abomination of science gone too far that lives only to consume and grow

[brittle bough]

well i mean, currently all herds do when theres no threat is just... lay. and eat. and drink. and escort a juvie 300 miles away to a bush. and lay. and eat. at least some passive actions would possibly encourage mingling about, maybe 'sparring' with false hits without the risk of damaging each other to practice dodging/movement.

"sitting between a bush and water simulator" would at least be a little more fun lol

[grand brook]

it's kind of a paradox, the rejection by some of the player base of minimal roleplay/realism yet the acceptance of a system that encourages it

[verbal acorn]

Isn’t it though?

[grand brook]

I feel it is

you kidding?

are you for real?

ai literally spawns in front of you and it screams it's head off for you to find it

[keen trail]

@glossy tangle try a “high ai” server. Or try a server with less people in it

[indigo sun]

High ai doesnt exist

[glossy tangle]

high ai is a lie

[keen trail]

O

[glossy tangle]

and I wanna play Nycta 3 because it my favourite server

but it's highly populated

[indigo sun]

Theres your issue.ai gets fucky in high populations

[keen trail]

Yeah I play that same server the majority of the time, I know, not really anything we can do about it though

Yeah

[dreamy portal]

hear me out.. flossing Triceratops.

[keen trail]

Or go hunt people instead?

Aha yes

Please

[glossy tangle]

but try hunt a player as a juvenille rex

[indigo sun]

I will shoot myself if fortnite invades my favorite game

[glossy tangle]

then lets see what you see

[dreamy portal]

as an april fools joke?

[glossy tangle]

yep same here @indigo sun

[indigo sun]

Even as an april fools joke

[dreamy portal]

you're just mad cause a trike shittily flossing on top of corpses is too much for mere mortals to handle

[indigo sun]

Just make everyone a taco for april fools but if they dont die they go back the next day

[glossy tangle]

this is a realistic game ffs

ya can't have a trike flossing

[dreamy portal]

how dare somebody want a little fun

[indigo sun]

Its not realistic but i get your point

[glossy tangle]

it's too fat and heavy

[keen trail]

@glossy tangle I have and because their bite force is higher than most other juvis, it’s super easy

[dreamy portal]

on a day for foolishness

[indigo sun]

Just not fortnite

[keen trail]

Lol who said FU on his suggestion

[glossy tangle]

but guess what? try hunting any player that has an adult with it

[shell willow]

@bright delta dilos shouldn't be able to assride you if alt-turn is enabled on the server, but I do like the walking backwards thing

[glossy tangle]

then tell me

[grand brook]

ok tyranozaurus, imma be real with you. Ai as of now is broken, either it spawns in front you or not at all

So you either play when the server pop is low or choose another dino

[dreamy portal]

@keen trail is onleh gaem, why they haff to be so mad?

[keen trail]

Bruh I’ve killed a juvi allo as a fresh spawn juvi cerato. And the allo had 3 full adults with it all of them trying to kill me

Idk man

[glossy tangle]

they must've been bad

[keen trail]

Can you send me the link to that video

[verbal acorn]

Real bad

[grand brook]

zacian, the option to disable alt turn will be removed

[glossy tangle]

also I doubt you did that

[keen trail]

No it’s because you stay right on the juvi so then they can’t bite you

Because if they hit you, they will hit their juvi

[glossy tangle]

well guess what? what if yeah there's no players around

[keen trail]

It was pretty easy if you stay right by the juvi you are trying to kill

[glossy tangle]

then try hunt some players

[keen trail]

Find some

[dreamy portal]

what ifs do so much good

[keen trail]

Lol

[shell willow]

@grand brook I never said anything like that, I'm talking about current game, as were they.

[verbal acorn]

That’s like saying Ferrari’s aren’t all that fast because you beat one driven by some shallow breathing retiree

[shell willow]

I know they're going to force alt turn.

[dreamy portal]

it's like watching a slapfight against a mirror

[grand brook]

walking backward would be difficult for any large animal, specially on two legs

[glossy tangle]

find some? well good luck finding a player if your on 2nd screen because of starvation

[grand brook]

but anyways, tyranozaurus why not grow another dino?

[verbal acorn]

Not if you could use your tail as a walker

[grand brook]

that is not a rex?

or find another less populated server?

[glossy tangle]

do you think everyone has time to just "grow another dino"?

no nycta 3 is the best

[grand brook]

yes, you clearly have time to grow a 7 hour rex

[indigo sun]

You have more time to grow a rex than to grow a smaller, faster to grow dinosaur?

Tf kinda logic is that?

[glossy tangle]

lol no I have to spread it out other a while

[grand brook]

aaand you cannot do that with another dino because?

[verbal acorn]

The secret to AI is to not panic. They come based on need. But if you start roaming thinking they won’t spawn where you are, you end up walking away from them.

AI spawn based on where you are, not where you going...so by the time the game drops them in, you’ve walked out of ear shot.

[shell willow]

because nycta player

[glossy tangle]

I wanna grow a rex because I wanna grow a rex

[grand brook]

ok

[verbal acorn]

Once you drop below 33%, just lay down. They’ll come

[glossy tangle]

and it works for all juvies

[keen trail]

Just be a patron and get it then lol

That’s what I do, except I got a cama instead

[dreamy portal]

why we discussin nycta?

[shell willow]

also f calling and 2 calling makes the ai walk towards you..

[glossy tangle]

idk

[keen trail]

Ask tyrano

[indigo sun]

Cause its "the best server"

[dreamy portal]

Da bes sewvew

[glossy tangle]

really? never knew that zacian

[shell willow]

https://gyazo.com/6467b7f0da8a7346ef41688d44d63e99

[keen trail]

I play it cause hypers. I’m like a gold digger of the isle

[verbal acorn]

AI spawn at 80%, 50% and really come in at about 25% hunger.

[grand brook]

let's move it to discussion

[keen trail]

Ok

[grand brook]

shall we?

[glossy tangle]

well the problem is cocoa they don't really

[dreamy portal]

So.. Trike floss

[grand brook]

NO

[dreamy portal]

just sayin.

[verbal acorn]

F calling and 2 calling also make me walk toward you...so be careful

[dreamy portal]

just on broadcast

for one day

[glossy tangle]

My answer to that: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dreamy portal]

why?

[glossy tangle]

we will not let fortnite near our great game

[dreamy portal]

you haven't given a decent reason other than

[glossy tangle]

It'd be stupid as well

[dreamy portal]

oh wow

a stupid joke

on april fools day

who woulda guessed

[glossy tangle]

get something better

[dreamy portal]

what a terrible suggestion

[shell willow]

fortnite not allowed in this zone thank

[verbal acorn]

If AI don’t spawn at higher hunger, they will prioritize you once you get below 25%. Since the AI update, I’ve gone hungry once or twice

[glossy tangle]

friking heck give dryo pue stats or smth XD

[dreamy portal]

ah yes clearly all color pallets should jsut be polkadots and pinstripes

[grand brook]

i'm honeslty sad that ai is so pathetically easy to obtain that even walks toward you

[dreamy portal]

so much funnier of a joke.

[glossy tangle]

fits with memes of the isle at least

[dreamy portal]

sure thing grandma

[glossy tangle]

of dryos being superior

[shell willow]

if you're going for an april fools joke, think of something relevant that won't get us in deep shit with all the 9 year olds that play fortnite

[glossy tangle]

and if that's bad then how tf is flossing trikes any good

yeah we can't have fortnite overrunn the isle

[dreamy portal]

overun

are you dense?

[glossy tangle]

Basically I say no to that suggestion

[keen trail]

i at least want to see someone animate a flossing trike over a dead giga and have "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" playing over it and the video is in 144P

[verbal acorn]

Player density doesn’t support hunting. Juvi carnivores can’t really kill anything as juvies and scavenging isn’t really viable either if player density can’t support predation in the first place

[shell willow]

at this point, yes, fortnite would overrun the isle if a bunch of kids saw "look!! dino do fortnite dance hurr hurr!! this game looks cool!!" and they start playing the game only for the fortnite shit and then scream and cry when it gets taken out the next day

[dreamy portal]

jesus kachow

my sides

[keen trail]

yeah

[dreamy portal]

also zacian

that makes literally zero sense

[keen trail]

then everyone with an IQ over .1 will beg the devs to perm ban them all

[verbal acorn]

Most juvi carnivores can’t even catch AI for the first 30mins of life...we are literally too slow to run down anything but a Taco

[keen trail]

or an oreo

[dreamy portal]

rip in piece the era of nightelf mohawk

[grand brook]

but here is the thing @verbal acorn you cannot just have food served in front of you after it gets at 70% that reveals your location, and that it can keep a rex fed. If ai spawned in certain areas it would be slightly better

[shell willow]

it's literally happened @dreamy portal back when family sharing was removed.
all these whiny people came out of the woodwork about how removing family share was a huge mistake and the game would die and blah blah blah, they stopped playing the game because (mostly) the only thing they enjoyed was the ability to use/abuse family sharing

[glossy tangle]

yep

[dreamy portal]

how does that equate to... a one off.. no nothing.. amusing.. joke animation

compared to a beforehand permanent feature

[shell willow]

because kids will see the fortnite dance and think the game will be like fortnite, they'll play it because of the fortnite, and then when it gets removed they'll do what the people did when family share was removed

it's an annoyance and really not worth the trouble to do anything like that in the first place
family share was meant to be disabled from the start

[grand brook]

i don't know what juvies are you playing as, but carno, utah, dilo and cerato all can catch ai very early

[dreamy portal]

thats flawed logic to the max

[glossy tangle]

tbh I'm gonna come clean here: I did abuse the family sharing, I looked for like trike herds got there location then went on my rex account with my friend and killed them (obviously not on nycta cos nycta is peng)

[dreamy portal]

you're trying to compare family sharing to a fucking goofy dance

[grand brook]

that is pretty shitty

[glossy tangle]

a goofy shitty dance

[dreamy portal]

also wow Tyran that is actually rather cancerous of you

[glossy tangle]

that shouldn't ever come into the isle

[verbal acorn]

Current AI are place holders. They represent varying sized prey items. The Oro spawns for a newly adult Giga isn’t the same Oro spawned for a juvi. They give different amounts of food from what I can tell.

[shell willow]

I'm not comparing family sharing to a goofy ass dance, I'm comparing the players to themselves because it would end up being another shit show situation.

[grand brook]

no i meant scouting for trikes and killing them with another account

[glossy tangle]

ik

I realised how much of a dick move it is

[grand brook]

good

[dreamy portal]

lol zacian you literally make zero sense

[shell willow]

how are you making any more sense? "I think fortnite dances would be funny haha" yeah, that makes sense for a dino game

[glossy tangle]

also, copyright

[dreamy portal]

for an online multiplayer experience, as an amusing joke for a one off day when i imagine the game will literally do nothing else.

[grand brook]

point is ai is very easy to obtain, and the reason servers are overrun by apex carnivores and carnivores in general

[dreamy portal]

you can't copyright a dance

[verbal acorn]

I would agree that AI spawns need to be modified. They spawn too frequently and too early in hunger...but I thinks that’s mainly to keep players engaged and to create opportunities for being detected or distracted.

[dreamy portal]

you dip

[grand brook]

there's no challenge, no real motivation to hunt other than entertainment

[dreamy portal]

otherwise nobody would ever dance

[indigo sun]

@dim zodiac what are you talking about?

[verbal acorn]

People forget that AI actually creates vulnerability in growing carnivores to can facilitate their own predation

[grand brook]

but here's the thing, it doesn't matter if they get hunted because they will be able to grow another dino easily again

[glossy tangle]

I just find it stupid how you just can't seem to grow unless you got adult with you

[shell willow]

there's no point to having a trike fortnite dance at any point in the game... it would take all the immersion out even if it were just for april fools.
yeah it would be funny the first time like "woah that trike is default dancing over there wtf", but the next 30 times you find huge herds of trikes fortnite dancing it just gets old really fast

[glossy tangle]

or are super lucky

[dreamy portal]

I hear ai spawn when i'm at full hunger, and it just lets me know theres something out there i can murder who's hungry

immersion
you can always play on an RP server if you'd like

[shell willow]

that's not what- ok

[barren zephyr]

Games doing out of character/unusual things for April Fools is kind of the whole point of the holiday.

[shell willow]

the game is meant to be immersive, not roleplay

[barren zephyr]

Even if it was absolutely terrible, it's for a single day.

[shell willow]

that being true it's still not a good reason for fortnite dances of all things to be included in that

[barren zephyr]

It's as good a reason for any other april fools idea.

[glossy tangle]

my god if even for 1 day we see trikes doing fortnite dances, I would wanna question Dondi himself ffs

[barren zephyr]

Is your immersion ruined cause there aren't any air/water animals?

[indigo sun]

@dim zodiac consider balance, not how fast or long something might be able to run IRL. Rex is an ambush hunter, you crouch to get the most speed amd youre pretty damn fast. If you had more stamina, you'd run everything down and it'd be unfair for mid and low tiers

[shell willow]

wtf

I don't need air/water animals to be immersed in a game like this

[glossy tangle]

they will be added @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

So it's just about what personally appeals to you, my bad though you were trying to make an objective argument for the game.

[indigo sun]

Goddamn this is a stupid argument

[barren zephyr]

I know, I'm talking about in the moment.

[glossy tangle]

in fact, flyers were in the game

but were taken out because of glitches

and now the devs are fixing them and then flyers will be back in

[shell willow]

ugh

[indigo sun]

There's no point to this argument why are y'all still bitching at each other

[shell willow]

there really isn't, it won't ever happen even if people defend it

[lilac swallow]

Ignoring inmersion and all the fortnite hate, doing a dacing animation for a quadrupedal fat animal just for the lols is way to much work

[indigo sun]

stop talking about this bs and talk about this guy's legitimate suggestion to buff rex's stamina

[lilac swallow]

Oh yeah

[paper oriole]

Lmao fuck rex's stam he has bone break

[barren zephyr]

Isn't T-rex already one of the strongest

[shell willow]

how about we not buff rex's stam

[barren zephyr]

does he really need buffs?

[indigo sun]

Yrs

Hes the strongest

[paper oriole]

He can keep his shit stam

[blazing charm]

Trex's stamina is fine, he's an ambush hunter.

[lilac swallow]

I Will never agree on a Rex change be It buff or nerf, its perfectly balanced right now

[dreamy portal]

With leg break Rex is fine

[shell willow]

as all things should be

[dreamy portal]

Running won't do anything else any good if it can't run

[paper oriole]

^

[indigo sun]

@dim zodiac you dont need a lot of stamina. You have bone break and high bite force, not to mention incredibly high ambush speed, which youre supposed to use when youre close to something

[dreamy portal]

and with high damage / crippling you have to pick a fight with it to die

it can ambush you but honestly if you can't hear the STOMP STOMP STOMP

it's your own fault

it also has ankles of glass

[lilac swallow]

Basically you have bone break due to your stam, if It hadnt bone break Rex would need more stam making It exactly a giga copy

[dreamy portal]

so fighting it on any hill side is how it goes

cause a Rex will shatter it's knees like glass over fucking anything

but if it gets ahold of you you're probably fucked.

[still temple]

irl rex is a stamina powerhouse
TI rex is inferior to irl rex

[barren zephyr]

I looked at my friend's T-Rex's knee once for too long and it broke.

[shell willow]

I screamed too loud and the rex shattered into a million pieces

[blazing charm]

Oh christ not this again. What is it with you people and turtles?

[edgy furnace]

why turtles

[barren zephyr]

"i like turtles"

[paper oriole]

What if

[shell willow]

who doesn't want to eat jellyfish man?

[barren zephyr]

I'm new so I wasn't aware there was a strong turtle advocates group

[paper oriole]

Fucking massive turtles

[barren zephyr]

But they'd be cool, slow but tough, like tanks.

[still temple]

turtles are cool. Playable turtles? EhhHHhhhh

[dreamy portal]

@paper oriole What is your opinion on my suggestion

[grand brook]

we have that

[lilac swallow]

At least turtles arent over sized frogs like someone suggested

[grand brook]

it's called ankylosaurus

[shell willow]

what

[barren zephyr]

I would also like Frogs

[shell willow]

someone suggested that

[still temple]

@barren zephyr pit them against bone crushing dinosaurs, they're suddenly not tanks anymore

[shell willow]

???

[grand brook]

a literal dino tank

[paper oriole]

A dance may be too hard

[still temple]

plus we have anky if you wanna be a tank

[paper oriole]

But a simple dab would suffice

[barren zephyr]

Give the turtles spikes on their shells too @still temple

[inner valley]

nobody likes the juvi stage of sucho, i don't think moving a step every 10 seconds would be that entertaining

[dreamy portal]

@paper oriole Doesn't have to be good, literally just slap it on the rigging and let the arms break model for all i care.

[still temple]

doesnt matter to a rex

[barren zephyr]

Give the turtles golf clubs to shatter T-rex kneecaps

[shell willow]

if you want a turtle play anky

[still temple]

[shell willow]

honky bois

[grand brook]

give anky armour and bb and there

fixed

[blazing charm]

Only two I could ever see working would be Archelon or Carbonemys. But that's just me stretching it.

[barren zephyr]

honestly im wondering if a ankys armor could take a rex bite but thats for #paleotalk

[still temple]

@blazing charm insert deino

[grand brook]

i just want survival anky

[blazing charm]

Was about to say.

[grand brook]

and baby ankys

[blazing charm]

Honestly, i'd be fine with Carbonemys as AI food or something.

[still temple]

Deino is a turtle cruncher irl, wouldn't mind a snack or 2 for the chunky boy

[lilac swallow]

Turtles maybe and i say maybe if they were fully aquatic as ankys are land animals but a land turtle is just anky

[still temple]

[blazing charm]

Hell, you could just make Carbonemys a giant snapping turtle for funsies

@shell willow Uh, you do realise Titanoboa is supposed to be mainly aquatic, right?

Or are you referring to an open-ocean variant?

[shell willow]

open-ocean

[blazing charm]

I personally can't see a giant snake doing that well in an ocean filled with Mosasaurs, but let's say a giant sea-snake could work. Why not just have Titanaboa be able to swim in fresh and saltwater?

[barren zephyr]

Why not a snake who can climb on trees, but climbing drains stamina similar to swimming

Can offer interesting new ambush/escape opportunities

[shell willow]

Afaik titanoboa will be strictly ai

[torn thistle]

But muh Palaeophis / Pterosphenus

[blazing charm]

Last I heard, Titanoboa being playable was kinda being thrown about. Don't quote me on that though.

[shell willow]

I don't mind titanoboa being salt and freshwater, but having variance wouldn't hurt

[torn thistle]

Also kinda depends how they handle Titano's movements, if it were to be playable.

[shell willow]

yeah^

[dreamy portal]

@torn thistle am i allowed to post a gif here if it's in regards to a discussion topic?

[torn thistle]

Don't see why not

[dreamy portal]

MUH REALISM

[blazing charm]

Ah yes, the animation that was made for funsies

[valid zephyr]

mmmmmm

[lilac swallow]

You know thats not coming to Game right?

[barren zephyr]

I asked him to pick me up cereal, but he won't remember.

[dreamy portal]

thats the poing king, i stated the stupid dance would make for an amusing APril fools joke

[blazing charm]

You do realise they are allowed to have fun, and not have it directly affect the game, right?

[dreamy portal]

but when i prompted for a stupid dance i was told it's "too realistic"

[barren zephyr]

Technically speaking

There's no evidence dinosaurs didn't do fortnite dances back then.

[dreamy portal]

Even though it would be an option addition that wouldn't affect gameplay outside of an amusing laugh.

I get comedy is relative but still it was just a really brow raising response.

[blazing charm]

Right now, I personally don't think the developers or even the game itself is in any good position to muck about right now with jokes and memey dances. I hate to say that, but remember what happened with that Godzilla poster?

[dreamy portal]

No

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah I saw that

Comments were very angry

[dreamy portal]

i thought it was neat

lol why?

[barren zephyr]

I forgot why though

[dreamy portal]

they got mad because the developers posted a goofy poster?

[shell willow]

they thought they'd been "false hyped"

[indigo sun]

People got kinda pissed cause they expected it to be the recode or an update on the recode

[dreamy portal]

are we sure the fortnite kids aren't playing this game?

[spiral pond]

cause they thought update was coming i think

[lilac swallow]

Yeas they are to busy with fortnite

[dreamy portal]

it's almost like they're transparent in all their updates

[blazing charm]

Because it was posted in the announcement channel, and the steam announcements. By all means people overreacted but that's mostly because they've been conditioned to look heavily into the TINIEST details.

[dreamy portal]

and when they try to have fun

this community shits the bed

like a buncha babies

[spiral pond]

the tension is at its peak right now

[dreamy portal]

why?

over a video game?

[spiral pond]

especialy for people not in this discord

in the community

[barren zephyr]

This is what we get for straying from God and acting like dinosaurs existed when we all know the Earth is only about 2k years old

[indigo sun]

I wish there were more people in this community who dont immediately try to tear apart everything and get pissed when they find nothing

Cause theyre impatient children

[shell willow]

2k is... wrong.. by all means..

[dreamy portal]

zacian

thats a joke

[shell willow]

ik it is

[blazing charm]

There probably are, but the vocal majority are often the most rowdy.

[dreamy portal]

legit galaxy brained logic

so let the dinosaurs fuckin' dance

and let the developers continue at a good steady pace

[blazing charm]

I mean

Focusing on important stuff > sidetracking for the meme

But, that's just my two cents

[dreamy portal]

obviously

thats why it was just a suggestion lol as an idea for fun.

and discussion amongst us the community, the devs obviously have no time for it.

[blazing charm]

So basically, this whole conversation was pointless.

[dreamy portal]

hey, i got what i wanted out of it.

dancing cerato gif

asked RR about it on stream and he pulled up the cerato dance

[blazing charm]

Never change suggestions channel, never change...

[dreamy portal]

so dancing was recorded in history

confirmed

[barren zephyr]

I danced once and it was awful

[torn thistle]

Oi.

[barren zephyr]

vey?

[torn thistle]

There ain't going to be any "dancing" in Isle.

[barren zephyr]

Technically you can dance right now in it

[still temple]

[dreamy portal]

It's true.

[spiral pond]

does spamming crouch as herra count as dancing ?

[dreamy portal]

yes

so long as you shift

[keen trail]

spam crouch as a baryonyx

[dreamy portal]

"Dan-Dan-Dance til you're dead!"

[night mountain]

all dinosaurs should have twerking animations

[brittle ivy]

@barren zephyr You need to expand upon why the devs should add something. Your suggestions will be removed until you include a more in-depth suggestion.

[grand brook]

how about, we remove player based ai and instead it's found though out the map in different points? so you actually have to find it?

what @valid zephyr ?

[valid zephyr]

the reason the AI is player based is because there can't be many of them on the map at a time

if you made it randomly map based carnis would not be able to survive

[grand brook]

and have them in spawn areas?

you know, spawn points? scattered throughout?

not in a single focal point

based on the biome or time of day

[lilac swallow]

The same amount of ai just around all the map

[grand brook]

so you actually have a sense of them belonging in the map and not being autogenerated, and breaking not only the inmersion but also being an annoyance

[indigo sun]

carnivores would be able to survive without being fed ai on a silver spoon, so I imagine once ai is fixed and doesnt spawn based on hunger, it'll be perfectly fine

[lilac swallow]

And making pointless the hunger bard

Bar*

[grand brook]

also, if you want easy food be a herbivore

i want to hunt

to survive

i want to be a real predator

[lilac swallow]

Literally your hunger bar is a pointless annoyance right now

[grand brook]

hits 70%

ava: eAt mE!!!

what real reason do I have to hunt other than entertainment

[brittle bough]

ive deadass grown a full adult rex while not killing a single player (namely because i managed to not find any,) it is kind of silly lol

[grand brook]

and i have grown a giga with only ai to full adulthood

most tedious growth I've had

i've never gone hungry as a carnivore in a very long while

[lilac swallow]

I have helped grow a 4 sub Rex pack with my adult Rex only with ai

I was just a guardian

[brittle bough]

thats some goofy shit

[grand brook]

the main reason I play herbivore this days is because there's an actual challenge when most of the other players are carnivores, that want to hunt something more than ai for a change

[valid zephyr]

maybe you could rely more on player herbis to survive eating if more than 4 people played herbis

[grand brook]

here's the thing, because there's no real challenge in playing a carnivore, everybody plays as a carnivore.

the ratio between carnivores and herbivores is broken

[valid zephyr]

meanwhile people get pissy that a single herbi is capable of fighting back. not suprising that no one plays them

[brittle bough]

i also like playing herbis but, to my experience, it has two modes with no inbetween
-every threat simultaneously
-so bored that im tabbing out and doing other stuff because ive got a bush and water and no reason to move
so i end up looking forward to some carnivore finding me lmao, at least as a carnivore ive got some reason to walk around (fast trot generally, might find a player and have an excitement, ai will spawn if all else fails)

[grand brook]

oh no, they might have to strategize

yeah

[cyan flame]

Should make it so ai only spawns when you're down at 5-10% food, but gives about 35-40% food instead, so it'd be more like, "Here, have an ai so you get an added 20 min to roam around/wait in an ambush" for a player to show up :p

[lilac swallow]

No

[grand brook]

herbivore playstyle needs some improvements

[lilac swallow]

No hunger based ai

If It spawn at 10 is the same

[grand brook]

search

for

food

[indigo sun]

Hunger based AI sucks. Have ai spawn in herds around the map that people have to look for

[grand brook]

i'm not against ai, on the contrary it's needed for juvies to grow

but make it interesting

don't serve it on a plate

[lilac swallow]

I want to hunt for ai likee It were a player even if i know It is an ai

[grand brook]

go out there

explore

hunt

[brittle bough]

i can accept either:
-get juvies their full stats sooner so they can do something
-make ai not filling at all for subs/adults

[valid zephyr]

there is physically not enough food on V3 for a carni to find enough if it's random

you would find an AI every 4 hours

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. removing/nerfing AI spawns isn't the answer.

[lilac swallow]

Move and search

[barren zephyr]

I've gone hours without finding other players

[brittle bough]

^

[barren zephyr]

so the game would be unplayable without AI

[dreamy portal]

people complaining about ai spawning

i think it's fine atm

[valid zephyr]

i've been walking round with my maia on a high pop server for the entire day

[lunar sandal]

not true i died a lot of times trying to grow a juive rex. It's not easy getting apexs to adult hold when everything will eat you. and then you have to keep your adult rex and again not easy. Plus find food to feed a juive rex hard. More on isle map V3 then Thenyaw. I had my ai not spawn at all on V3 or leave them cause they Bigger meaner cavniorer. Traveling as a on as juive not possible you have to stick to one place or you die of starvations .

[lilac swallow]

Because player Camp on corners of the map

[dreamy portal]

it makes it playable

[valid zephyr]

seen one player

[cyan flame]

You're entirely missing the point though Dragon, and sure, it would be a lot more fun if we had actual ai herds and you know, a living ecosystem/map, but as of right now, I doubt that'll work out :p

[indigo sun]

The way AI works now is temporary

[dreamy portal]

as of right now

[cyan flame]

So, instead of trying to achieve something that is probably not going to happen for a while yet, we could make the current system slightly less bad perhaps :p

[dreamy portal]

the ai is the only way carnivores can survive

[indigo sun]

they need to stop spoonfeeding ai so everyone who has a few hours to kill can grow an apex like it's nothing

[lilac swallow]

Seriously whats the point of having hunger if ai spawns around you

?

[lunar sandal]

An as juive it's too dangerous to go to place that are popluar cause you can very easily die at the popluar spots

[grand brook]

no shit, it's almost like SURVIVING is challenging

[cyan flame]

Oh the issue itself I agree on Dragon, the problem is, we can't, far as I know, currently make ai 90% of the pop as it might be in the future, so.. what do we do? :p

[lunar sandal]

Growing into an apex is not easy it's hard

[barren zephyr]

Maybe for anything not max growth, you get ai, then max growth dinosaurs get no AI but enhanced smell so they can find players?

[valid zephyr]

growing a rex on a full server i would often starve due to no AI spawning

[cyan flame]

Considering how shit juvies are right now, forcing them into hotspots wouldnt work out well I dont think :p

[lunar sandal]

yup same jenkens

[dreamy portal]

if they could stalk players that would be overkill

[grand brook]

not hard enough, or you wouldn't see adult rexes everywhere

[lilac swallow]

Growing apex is easy is just long

[cyan flame]

You dont ^^

[lunar sandal]

no it hard

[cyan flame]

I have no idea whats wrong with your servers, but I don't see all those rexes and gigas people like to talk about xD

[lunar sandal]

and long

[valid zephyr]

took me like 70 attempts to get my first rex to full adult...

[barren zephyr]

What if we fuse servers so there's simply more players?

[lilac swallow]

I fed my adult Rex while waiting 4 subs to grow just with ai

[lunar sandal]

same jenkens

[dreamy portal]

same

[valid zephyr]

@cyan flame erik can vouch for that

[brittle bough]

lag, casual

[dreamy portal]

i just now got a chance to do that

[lunar sandal]

and then you have to keep that adult rex which just as hard

[cyan flame]

Well yes Dragon, the more of you there are, the greater the ai spawns.. makes sense.. :p

[dreamy portal]

good luck with that hunger fuckers

[cyan flame]

Now try it on your own with no-one else in your area :p

[lilac swallow]

5 rexes dude

5 rexes just with ai

[brittle bough]

is the :p necessary on the end of every sentence though

[indigo sun]

I grew a rex solely on ai

it wasn't hard

at all

[barren zephyr]

How about if you feed off players, it gives slightly more food + growth buff?

[dreamy portal]

cause you didn't get hunted

[lilac swallow]

I only needed 2 tries

[lunar sandal]

cause you in a good area

[indigo sun]

i sat in a remote area of the map and grew

and everyone can do that

and its not right

[grand brook]

i'm on board on the juvie stats thing though

[dreamy portal]

and you can play the game

[lunar sandal]

you didn't have to worry about other canivores trying to pick you off

[cyan flame]

Yes actually Slate, since I'm not being utterly deadly serious, since we're, you know, talking about a game

[dreamy portal]

you spend the time, you earn the growth, you play the game, and you die in 30 minutes

the game is a time sink

[indigo sun]

I'm saying I shouldn't be able to just sit and eat ai. I should be forced to move around and eat other things as I grow up

[dreamy portal]

make it unfun and people will find other things to spend their time on

[lunar sandal]

except juives can't be moving around

[indigo sun]

yes juvis can

[lunar sandal]

they'll strave

[cyan flame]

I'd rather not be forced to move around, or rather not forced at all, but I'd not mind if 90% of my encounters are AI, I think that's how it will end what with the size of the maps vs population

And the whole "Ai as smart as people"

[dreamy portal]

they just need to add acrocanthos' as ai that will attack you.

[brittle bough]

once ai are actually a challenge to kill folks might feel different lol

[valid zephyr]

i can't picture AI ever acting like players

[indigo sun]

theres gonna be carnivorous ai that will snatch you up if youre just sitting around doing nothing

[cyan flame]

The issue is rather that you get the ai right there for you, and that, well, it's downright stupid right now ^^

[dreamy portal]

It'll keep people from staying in one place

[brittle bough]

currently, an ava is just "oh look, a burger"

[dreamy portal]

and it will give apexes something to deal with

[grand brook]

oh so you prefer to afk under a tree

[dreamy portal]

or eat

[cyan flame]

If the ava fought back, if the tacos burrowed, if the oros.. I don't know, did something xD

[brittle bough]

ran faster lol

[valid zephyr]

i'm afk under a tree right this second. talking on discord

[lunar sandal]

they get hunger to fast and unless they with an adult with them you get pick off by other hunger thinks

[valid zephyr]

cause i havn't seen a player in hours

[dreamy portal]

^

[barren zephyr]

Literally the same lol

[cyan flame]

It works with no ai, but then you get hotspots and thats it

[barren zephyr]

I've played with 95+ server population and never ran into people

[cyan flame]

If you want to be somewhere else on the map, as carni, you'll starve

[valid zephyr]

i've even 1 called a few times

nothing happens

[brittle bough]

when im playing, i either see every player all at once or absolutely none of them, even when playing on a full 150 server

[lunar sandal]

i mean i use the whole ava fought back , tacos burrowed and oros quiet as ways to tell if their an ai player which then i won't kill

[indigo sun]

When you can do literally nothing but sit under a tree and farm ai, it is not a survival game. This game does not function as a survival game. I can go an entire life cycle without ever fighting another player and that's not okay. It should not be easy to grow apexes like it is now

[cyan flame]

Something like that yes Slate, and that, to me, is very boring, since there's some really cool areas I'd love to make my home in, but then.. if no one comes by, what would I do with no ai, and I'd be fine with an actual ai herd in the general area that I'd have to hunt down and make a kill from and then drag it back home, but we don't have that right now so

[lunar sandal]

i've when playing on full server only seen 3 or 5 people and usually their caniorves i'm running from or from being killed

[cyan flame]

You don't need to fight people to have survival game Ptera

[dreamy portal]

@indigo sun then everybody should just play herbivores

cause they can sit under trees

all they want.

communicate, all they want

[indigo sun]

Nothing should sit under trees

ever

[brittle bough]

i mean herbs should outnumber carnis lmao

[indigo sun]

you should not be able to afk for hours on end

[lunar sandal]

you got to rest at some point

[indigo sun]

not for hours

[lunar sandal]

standing is wasting engery

[brittle bough]

oy ptera cmon, they gotta get their 8 hours of sleep somehow

[lilac swallow]

There is some Guy who grows rexes while sleeping seting an alarm each hour, thats sad

[dreamy portal]

this is some nitpicky bullshit lol

[indigo sun]

it's not nitpicky

[grand brook]

"You don't need to fight people to have survival game" that hurt my brain

[cyan flame]

You know.. I think we've somewhat gone off topic by now, back to an actual suggestion?

[dreamy portal]

thats impossible

you'd starve to death

[cyan flame]

Zorr, am I wrong then?

Do you think you comprehend what survival is? ^^

[lunar sandal]

On big maps seeing people not really possible unless your adult with hunger that doesn't drain as fast

[grand brook]

YES, how the hell is there a challenge to survive if there is no danger aka fights, hunts...etc

[dreamy portal]

if you think a rexes guts would let them sleep on it you're either high or stupid

[indigo sun]

if youre not in competition with other players, then what exactly are you surviving from? the death that wont come because you'd got everything on a platter in front of you?

[cyan flame]

Zorr, its really simple

You have drainage

Of food/water

Meters that need to be kept full

That is the "survival" mechanic

[brittle bough]

alright.. and carnis fill that food.. by fighting lol

[indigo sun]

so ai spawns on you, and you can sit near a river and eat it

[cyan flame]

You don't need to fight to have that

[lilac swallow]

You know smart and randomly spawned ai=/=not ai at all?

[grand brook]

but you should