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#general-feedback-discussion
swift moon
lilac swallow
I still dont know what spino being powerful in game has to do with the inclusion of carcha
grand brook
neither do I, and why we should have a slightly more gracile version of the giga
lilac swallow
Idk
Carcha would be like a 95% grown giga, its the same
Not to mention that the suggestion is "add this giga "
still temple
@swift moon so?
you still havent given us a valid reason why we should add a Giga clone
lilac swallow
"spino in Game is so strong" seems to be the reason
swift moon
im go to sleep bro rest too is 5 am here
still temple
still waiting for the reason why Carchar should be added
and you do realise how ugly that model is right?
lilac swallow
Not to mention the copyright issues of copying and pasting a model.from another game
mellow fox
grand brook
@mellow fox if even that, because it's the same with tarbosaurus.
Dondi pls add tarbosaurus
why? because I saw it in a korean kids film and it was supah cool
pulsar lake
@swift moon I think it shouldn't be a new dino and ban giga but a skin for giga
vagrant crest
@elder swan Stamina doesn't regen while crouching.
elder swan
ok. i'll remomve that part of my suggestion then, tx
vagrant crest
Should give a reasoning for why you want that change also 😛
elder swan
fixed
indigo sun
@glossy tangle Pue is getting removed and replaced with Brachi, and turning into AI. As for cama, it is meant to be hard to kill with just one or two apexes. I don't see what the proposed apex would actually bring to the table. Is it a sauropod hunter? Because Giga can already fulfill that role once sauropods are in survival.
lilac swallow
You are asking for giga practically
And why adding a dino no one knows while we have the most popular sauropod hunter
blazing charm
@glossy tangle (1) Puerta isn't a thing anymore, it was replaced by Brachiosaurus
(2) We already have Giganotosaurus (and argueably Acrocanthosaurus) for the large bleeders.
(3) Why would you make it stronger than Rex. That sounds like such an overpowered creature.
indigo sun
If it's a sauropod hunter that's stronger than the current strongest apex carnivore, where does that leave the other two apexes?
lilac swallow
4 if It is slower than you, why you even need a way to counter It?
Talking about sauropods
indigo sun
No more dinosaur suggestions for things don't have at least a basic model
blazing charm
Dinosaur suggestions can work, they just need more effort and reasoning behind them.
jovial skiff
its just another giga
indigo sun
The last two dinosaur suggestions have only had "it could be cool and strong" as their reasoning
jovial skiff
I agree with king but I think that people who suggest dinosaurs should consider what dinosaurs we have now
indigo sun
I wish it was a requirement to put new dinosaur suggestions in a document where you explain its role, prey, predators, abilities, and growth time
jovial skiff
Watt's ceratosaurus honey badger suggestion was cool and thought out
even tho its a new dinosaur
I think its a great example
vagrant crest
You should make a template for them to use.
indigo sun
Someone made a really good rugops suggestion one time
all the good ones are documents
jovial skiff
yeah there are good ones here and there
blazing charm
I think that Rugops one is mine
Which I've honestly stopped kinda caring about, Been wanting to downsize the amount of docs I have.
indigo sun
it was a good suggestion though
you laid out its role in the ecosystem, predators and prey, and what it could have to help it in its role
jovial saddle
Mapusaurus stronger than T. rex????
I’m already seeing gigas piss on rexes
Why would we need an even bigger version of a giga
indigo sun
are those rexes braindead?
pale prairie
gigas actually killing rexes?
glossy tangle
@indigo sun yes it is a sauropod hunter and it'd have to hunt sauropods to fill it enough and @blazing charm Giga will find it hard and acro will find it hard
indigo sun
So it's a larger, stronger giga is what youre saying
glossy tangle
kind of
blazing charm
So, Giga will just be made obsolete?
indigo sun
And kinda screws over the other two apexes because of how strong it is. Making it hated because rex and giga will then be the weakest apex carnivores
jovial saddle
Gigas can kill rexes with their damage
vagrant crest
They wouldn't be considered apex's anymore
compact coyote
bleed*
jovial saddle
Though I wouldn’t recommend going head on with a rex
blazing charm
Giga is going to be the staple Sauropod hunter, it's already been said.
glossy tangle
well it should therefore be unable to fill itself off of rexes and gigas
compact coyote
giga and mapu are literally the same both in terms of size and "abilities"
indigo sun
if it exists solely to be a sauropod hunter, that's kinda annoying. I cant be filled by anything but sauropods but there aren't many sauropods because they take so long to grow and brachi ai is rare
jovial saddle
If more Carcharodontosaurids are gonna be added just make them into skins
blazing charm
Sauropod hunting is supposed to involve long-distranc pursuits/trailing, wearing them down with bleed.
lilac swallow
Gigas is actually capable of hunting sauropods with bleed, you just want a sauropod slayer
jovial saddle
Sauropod slayer and not a sauropod bleeder?
glossy tangle
brachi ai may not be rare
jovial saddle
T. rex is your man
indigo sun
it should be, cause it's gonna be fuckin huge compared to everything else
glossy tangle
nah mate Rex is usually limited to 2
jovial saddle
2 GOOD rexes can kill a cama
glossy tangle
and 2 rexes have to be super cautious to kill a cama
still temple
@glossy tangle you do realise Mapu and Giga are basically the same thing
glossy tangle
not just good, incredibly clever and lucky rexes can but not just "good
jovial saddle
And mapu was like 100 kg bigger than giga
That’s an insignificant difference
So why should it ultimately replace giga
lilac swallow
You even knwo what "balance" means?
A dino that can only sustain from sauropods and at the same time kills them with ease is both unfair for the mapu and the sauropod not to mention for giga who gets outclased
indigo sun
Cama isn't even balanced, first of all. Second of all, mapu invalidating giga's role not only makes apexes fuckin stupid cause if you grow a few extra hours you can be stronger than both rex and giga, it also fucks over someone who spent a long ass time growing a cama and fucks over the mapu player because there's not enough sauropods around to keep it alive
grand brook
ok what is it today with giga clones
jovial saddle
No idea
compact coyote
¯_(ツ)_/¯
still temple
https://pre00.deviantart.net/dff8/th/pre/i/2019/001/3/9/giganotosaurus_carolinii_skeletal_diagram__by_franoys-dao6aky.png
https://pre00.deviantart.net/d428/th/pre/i/2019/017/a/3/mapusaurus_roseae_skeletal_diagram__by_franoys-db08xf8.png
@glossy tangle please explain how Mapu can offer different gameplay compared to Giga
lilac swallow
What ptera said
compact coyote
gigas already bad enough we dont need more lmao
jovial saddle
Ppl just want more apexes with serrations on the teeth
lilac swallow
Basically you are asking for a growable discount hypo
vagrant crest
Magna?
still temple
there fixed, I pulled an oopsie and posted 2 mapus lol
jovial saddle
Shouldn’t you have sent mapu and giga?
Oooh
There are some differences but hardly any
grand brook
i'm all for sugesting new dinos and what not, but can they be different enough from already existing ones?
indigo sun
Mapusaurus is completely useless when there's other things that exist to kill sauropods cough cough giga cough
It does nothing more than screw over literally everyone and something stronger than a rex who fills the same role giga fucks over not only rex and giga, but everything else too
vagrant crest
So pretty much a magna.
jovial saddle
Just play as giga and pretend to be a Mapusaurus lmao
lilac swallow
But a growable magna
grand brook
a growable magna
indigo sun
pretty much
grand brook
hell you can play giga and pretend you are giga, mapusaurus AND carcharodontosaurus
that's how similar they are and interchangeable
still temple
current giga model still looks pretty stupid imo
facial crests are waaay too edgy
and the details arent as sharp as the newer models
grand brook
well so are exposed teeth and almost all theropods have them
still temple
what does teeth have to do with crests
compact coyote
he noped out the chat bois
grand brook
in the sense that there's already inaccuracies in the models, but that's the point
they are not meant to
still temple
I was never arguing for accuracy tho 
glossy tangle
but giga isn't too fast tbh
jovial saddle
The giga model looks pretty accurate
brittle ivy
Eh, model accuracy isn’t very relevant to the suggestion. I recommend moving over to #401464048610312195
jovial saddle
Mmmyes
compact coyote
like, mapu would be literally the same as an already playable giga thats already in game
still temple
just squint a little and pretend it's a Mapu 
jovial blade
@glossy tangle giga and mapu are almost exactly the same
It would add no diversity at all
lilac swallow
Accuracy dont fit this game when It affects balance, and the model size doesnt really affects balance
delicate depot
the isle is not a game based on realism, and giga with 15m or t-rex with 14m in length is inaccurate.
pulsar lake
It's not for balanced stats or soemthing like it's just for visual accurate
When I see a sucho I'm like "Wtf why he is so tiny ?" Same for diablo
And trike
Apexes carni are so much big
And other dinosaurs rinny
*tinny
pulsar lake
After rex in game is oversized too
oblique sluice
and you want him even bigger
pulsar lake
Rex is 15 long
And giga too
Carno is too small
Sucho too
And trike is good but rex is so much bigger than him
Rex should be something like 13 long and giga 13,5 or 14
delicate depot
Giga is about 12.4m, maybe the specimen is a young one, but it's just a possibility. Tyrannosaurus is between 10 - 12m.
indigo sun
i cant imagine cloned dinosaurs would be incredibly accurate anyway
still temple
diablo is very much oversized in TI
valid zephyr
@brisk mesa honestly that seems like too much regulation for casuals to remember
brisk mesa
I mean, it can fit in the Message of the Day and the limits are pretty straight forwards.
You rarely get a group of "casuals" that size anyways.
valid zephyr
unless you made it an automatic thing where people above that number can't join
"herd too large for more members" message pops up
lilac swallow
I would suggest for trike being able to mixherb they could count x3 so if you are 5 trikes you count as 15 so no mix herb but if you are 4 trikes 3 herbis can join @brisk mesa
brisk mesa
I'm trying to propose changes that would not have any sticking points.
A smooth rule suggestion w/o much room for debate is much more likely to be implemented
brittle bough
consider: hatch/juvi/sub trike can mixherd, then must depart when adult and live with other adult trikes
brisk mesa
That makes no sense Slate.
Why would you raise a baby of another species
that when it grows up would be hostile?
lilac swallow
I still think trikes should count x3 so you cant have 5 trikes+10 other herbis
brittle bough
didnt know trikes had to hunt herbis now rather than just waddle off, fair enough
random knoll
Isn’t that we were just talking about how trikes alone are kinda fucked?
Along with mid tires
night mountain
its honestly wild to me that burrows DONT have an icon
or at least are overwritable
its insanely easy to totally lose your burrow and then you just can never burrow again
feral wedge
Too much regulation is invasive
indigo sun
I think it'd be best for there to be limits for every dinosaur, but for the one trike counts as 3, it seems very complicated and I imagine it'd be kinda hell to watch over. The limits proposed are reasonable and i dont see a reason why anyone would need to go over them to kill anything
brisk mesa
Hence why I went for simple limits, easy to remember.
15s and 10s and 20s
The Subs are the only messy point
and I'm open to any amendments involving them.
You generally don't see many large size groups
You see them form due to streamers
As such regulation's easy, given it affects those who "organize" such groups, if you will, and as such they are typically more dedicated players.
The average player isn't affected by such things, only Streamers are.
@feral wedge as such I do not see how it's very invasive, given the numbers are rather high so you typically won't encounter such limits.
brisk mesa
Current is 15.
pulsar lake
'-'
pulsar lake
In solo Allo I can do 4v1 to cerato xD
feral wedge
Why worry about caps that are rarely encountered?
brisk mesa
Because when they are encountered they often become quite extreme, no?
sick crescent
brisk mesa
There's a reason the 15 limit was put there
40 Dilos, while EXTREMELY rare
Is kindof fucking stupid I'm sure you agree
feral wedge
Yet one giga has the possibility to wipe that group. As does a rex. Or a Trike. Or groups of allos or ceratos or Paras.
spiral pond
maybe to a really good pair
lilac swallow
40 dilos murder the rex
feral wedge
Possibility does not mean assurance.
spiral pond
and even then
brisk mesa
5 Trexes does not beat 40 Dilos.
Unless they all go AFK, standing in a circle
That's like saying, due to quantum entaglement, there is a chance you can walk through a wall
Physics says you can.
feral wedge
Plus starvation will take that group quite easily.
brisk mesa
Logic says you shouldn't even bother.
Gar, the 40 Utah pack Paladin made, back when utah rock existed, didn't have much hunger issues
I was in the 25 Dilo pack as well
feral wedge
"Back when utah rock existed"
brisk mesa
Yeah.
Before the 15 limit.
We've had several months of "mostly the same" due to no updates
3 months of the same current situation, but prior to that there were numerous updates
One does not simply "starve" with how AI spawn.
feral wedge
With a group that size on a full server, one can simply starve.
Now if it was only that group so ALL of the AI was around them, maybe
brisk mesa
So you think 40 Dilos should be allowed then, because they'd not sustain said numbers?
feral wedge
No. Don't twist my words.
brisk mesa
Not trying to, just trying to understand.
Your downplaying 40 Dilos or Utahs which puzzles me.
grand brook
@feral wedge that's why they are literally making a system that forces you to act a certain way, thus regulating...wut?
feral wedge
Force? No.
brisk mesa
David I'm sure affinity would make 40 dilos a completely unreasonable feat
feral wedge
Y'all don't seem to understand what I mean.
brisk mesa
Then explain to us, I am curious about your stance on the subject.
mental sleet
I was replying to Zorrenzo's comment specifically, not the scenario at hand.
grand brook
the way they spoke about it certainly seemed that way, what with the penalties you'll get if you don't act a certain way. Me personally I don't mind, I want inmersiveness, but to all this people saying Ew rULeS or iS tHis a ReALiSm sERvEr now ? lol, seems rather hypocritical
feral wedge
The goal is to require as little actual intervention from server administration as possible. Affinity will be the primary system to assist with this, most likely, along with things like dietary requirements. It will naturally dissuade larger and ridiculous groups to form and be sustainable, and if they still do, the animals within breaking their affinity will be worthless. Groups that are volatile and non-sustainable that only show up once every 3 months aren't worth the systematic effort of a moderator having to get involved. Hard forcing 10000 different rules and regulations on servers breaks the experience and immersion of the game itself, and are a blunt and blatant problem to the play environment naturally carrying on.
brisk mesa
The current rules are all if you will bandaids to the lack of other systems, I totally agree with that.
feral wedge
And even with certain large groups that have become issues lately, some more rule updates that are about to appear will assist with those
And it's not hard to get something with an unreasonable appetite to go after the area where more than 100 tons of flesh is concentrated
sweet oasis
I'm just going to outright let you know that there will probably never be varying limits for every single species on official servers. Having a flat limit on everything besides the apexes is for simplicity's sake and saves us admins a lot of grief when it comes to informing people of the rules. There will be updates in the coming months that will likely negate the need for rules on official servers, regardless of the situation right now.
brisk mesa
Then wouldn't it be as simple as saying: 10 mid tiers, 15 small tiers?
And tossing Cera into small tiers because it's hot garbage?
sweet oasis
What classifies as a mid tier and a small tier?
feral wedge
You cannot comprehend how often it is that people don't know about common group limits that have existed for a great while
sweet oasis
Do you see the issue with what you're saying there?
feral wedge
Having it for every animal would be ridiculous.
brisk mesa
Yikes gar
Had no idea it was hard to enforce the apex limits
Do people seriously accidentally end up with more than 5 adult / sub apexes?
feral wedge
People overpack literally every day.
grand brook
"Hard forcing 10000 different rules and regulations on servers breaks the experience and immersion" ah yes the experience of inmmersion of having 20 allos ravaging the land, killing everything in their path, and not having any limit as to how much a carnivore kills
sweet oasis
@brisk mesa I myself accidentally did it the other day.
brisk mesa
I thought overpacking was a weekly sort of deal.
sweet oasis
Does that give you an idea?
On your tiers thing, though, that just requires us to have another block of text that specifies what a mid tier and a small tier is. That's more information for players to remember, which means more potential for them to make a mistake, which means more work for me.
brisk mesa
Good point.
sweet oasis
Keeping it simple is best. It keeps myself and the rest of the admins sane.
brisk mesa
I had no idea how much of an impact on your workload that my proposal would have.
It seemed really easy on paper.
but people don't read so paper doesnt matter
Sorry for proposing something that would have made your duties so much more unpleasant
I'll go ahead and remove the post
feral wedge
Those groups of 20 usually don't do much harm before killing themselves or starving out one by one. I watch those groups often.
brisk mesa
Don't want people barraging support for making encumbering you guys
lilac swallow
@inner valley dilos can murder everyone on day, dilos doesnt need night
inner valley
their entire thing is that they hunt at night and they have the best nightvision.
lilac swallow
Right now they simply dont need night vision
inner valley
also, it makes the game a lot less scary at night and makes it not even have a point to it if you can easily see
if the point of night is to use nightvision and different dinos have different nightvisions, then it should be so you actually have to USE the nightvision
i'm not even a dilo player and i think it's dumb
lilac swallow
Nerf dilo fisrt, then we talk about making night darker
inner valley
dilo doesn't really need a nerf tbh
indigo sun
why does dilo need a nerf?
lilac swallow
Dilos doesnt need night right now they murder on day, so making a pitch black night when only dilo can see will just over tune dilo
inner valley
dilo is specifically designed to hunt at night
yes, they can hunt at day too, but they are meant to hunt at night
inner valley
do you even play on thenyaw?
brittle bough
looking at those laughable two dilos who tried to hunt my maia in broad daylight and both died without ever landing a hit, i think they wouldve done a bit better at night
lilac swallow
This not a they can hunt at day to, right now they are better at day that many other dinos
Thats the problem
inner valley
they are not better at hunting during the day than other dinos
lilac swallow
Tell that to utahs or ceratos
inner valley
their fighting style in run in, bite, and then run out again and wait for the dino they're hunting to bleed out
that is most affective, guess when, at night when they can't see you coming or see where you are at any given time
lilac swallow
I never said that night does benefit dilos
inner valley
utahs hunt at day most of the time because if they're hunting something like a rex they can't stay in close range because they'll get killed and they can't run out of nightvision range because if they do they won't know if the dino is facing towards them
is there a reason you don't want night to be dark?
if you're scared of dilos, that's granted, most people are at night
glossy root
utahs hunting a rex?
inner valley
that doesn't mean we make it so everyone can see perfectly at night, when it's supposed to be dark
violet magnet
"night doesn't benefit dilos"
hwat?
lilac swallow
Shut and listen, dilos can hunt everything let It be day or night, so having a night that benefits dilos even more that It currently does will just overtune them
inner valley
thenyaw already has pitch black night, and i can very easily say it doesn't "overtune" them. you can survive dilo attacks if you have the skills or if you have a pack
brittle bough
can they really hunt everything, can they really
inner valley
night is supposed to be challenging
night is supposed to be when dilos come out and fuck stuff up
that's literally the point of them
brittle bough
is that why two dilos failed to kill a maia in the daylight, because they can kill everything in the day, lmao
lilac swallow
Dilos being supposed to hunt at night doesnt stop them from hunting at day and succeding right now
inner valley
just because they can hunt at day too doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to hunt at night
lilac swallow
2 dilos vs a Maia is plain dumb
brittle bough
b-but they can kill everything in the day...
lilac swallow
Do i ever said dilos shouldnt be night hunters?
violet magnet
not if they hunt the maia at night, when it's near blind
inner valley
you said night shouldn't be pitch black so it can be used by dilos affectively
lilac swallow
Nope
inner valley
so you pretty much did say dilos shouldn't be night hunters
inner valley
and rexes don't need bonebreak
but it'd be pretty shit without it
see how that works?
lilac swallow
Rexes does need bb with their shity stam
inner valley
and dilos do need night when people can just see them coming and 1-shot them before they get a bite in
lilac swallow
Stop missing my point, dilos at day arent shit
brittle bough
but they are lmao
lilac swallow
Dilos at day are even better than utahs dude
brittle bough
you gotta be trolling
lilac swallow
They are better utahs than utahs
inner valley
utahs can beat up dilos during the day
as long as the utahs are good
night gives dilos the edge
glossy root
I mean you can essentially just turn on night vision when attacking, so they still have night
inner valley
and it's the only dinosaur atm that basically relies on night
lilac swallow
Rexes beat gigas and gigas are better than rexes one single match up means nothing
brittle bough
two dilos in the day each got two-shot by a single maia without ever landing a hit on the maia, because the maia could see them coming from miles away with their comparatively slow sprints and ambushes lmao
lilac swallow
Dilo doesnt rely on night
brittle bough
as opposed to if they could get around the maia unseen
inner valley
dilo very much does rely on night
lilac swallow
2 dilos vs a single Maia is dumb for them
inner valley
there's a reason most dilo packs don't hunt apexes and stuff during the day
because they know they'd die
brittle bough
i also faced two dilos in the night as a maia one time, and it was quite a different experience; blindly running in the woods isnt great for a maia.
inner valley
the reason they are so successful is because apexes can't see them coming
lilac swallow
I never said dilo doesnt benefit from night, i just said dilo can live the day without being screwed
brittle bough
okay? i would be concerned if they couldnt survive the day at all
inner valley
and my point is that night isn't scary when you can see dilos coming
and since dilo's attack strategy mainly revolves around the night, night should be pitch black
like it is in thenyaw
you were never supposed to abuse gamma in the first place
so it should be impossible to do so
brittle bough
dilos can hunt during the day, but they arent ideal for it. if they dont outspeed whatever it is theyre hunting, its gonna be real upset at them real quick, and their tiny one-hit bodies arent fit for being upset at. in comes the night, where with enough confusion they can dodge out of the vision of whatever is upset at them.
as opposed to utahs, who can ambush away or jump away.
lilac swallow
Let me clear myself, im all for dilo being a night Hunter, BUT right now dilo isnt a night Hunter they are better on packs at tacking down larger prey than even cerato and utah even on day, that why i say if nights were pitchblack dilos should be a little less capable on taking down Big prey at day
brittle bough
but.. theyre already not very capable of taking down prey during the day lol
please give me a scenario where dilos easily take down large prey in the day
brittle bough
well if the rex cant manage to land a single hit on them, which would more than kill them, they get what they deserve i reckon
inner valley
i was a rex being attacked by a huge pack of dilos at night, the only reason i got through the night alive is because i happened to be at quarry and could make it so the dilos could only come at me from two directions and with very close listening, i was able to hear their tiny footsteps and know which way they were coming at me from. then when day came, even though i was damaged and they kept attacking, i knew where they were coming from and was able to kill enough that they fled. i wasn't going to bring up personal experience but you don't seem to have even played a dilo to understand that they need the night to succeed
brittle bough
i killed two as a maia in the day without taking a hit, surely a rex can manage
unless maia needs to be nerfed now lol
lilac swallow
Being that many screenshot of rexes being bled out i asume Rex has litte chance of wining
Maia is faster than dilo thats why you can do it
Maia is dilos kryptonite
inner valley
Rexes can pretty easily take out even packs of dilos at daytime if they aren't terrible at playing rex
lilac swallow
With that slow alt turn, i doubt so, rexes arent gigas
inner valley
You seem like you just want night to be easy and dilos to no longer be a threat to your precious dino
inner valley
Also, I play on no alt-turn servers and I still manage to quite easily kill dilos during the day
inner valley
Then why do you care if night gets dark enough for them to actually USE it
glossy root
I mean they can still use the night
inner valley
even without gamma on v3 it's so easy to see things through the night
glossy root
Theres nothing stopping them
lilac swallow
Because i care about a fair game and balance and even if im not scared about dilos i know they are strong
glossy root
You said it yourself, you had to wait till day as a rex
glossy root
does it make sense for all places to be pitch black at night?
inner valley
yes, on an island of dinosaurs where there is no light and it's supposed to be a "horror" game
the night isn't scary when you can gamma it into daytime
lilac swallow
And you overstimate gamma abuse, my brothers pc has gamma uped and he barely sees better than me
inner valley
actually there are tons of people that use it
because it's extremely easily exploitable
lilac swallow
Is not that Big of a exploit
inner valley
so you're saying you want people to be able to exploit the night
lilac swallow
Dilos nv is still better than a gamma abusing player
No
Im saying gamma abuse is not that Big of a deal
inner valley
it's big enough of a deal to make the game frustrating when you're trying to hunt something as a dilo, but they see you clear as day and you can't get close enough to bite them
i don't understand why you think having pitch black nights is such a bad thing
lilac swallow
They cant see you as clear as day
inner valley
especially since you're not scared of dilos as you said
lilac swallow
Because i care about balance
inner valley
if you care about balance than having pitch black nights would be a good thing??
lilac swallow
And current dilos with pitch black night would be boosted
inner valley
dilo is pretty bad at daytime because they are 1-shots and they don't have the mobility to jump around and dodge like utahs can
current dilos on thenyaw are fine
they actually work as dilos should
apexes should fear something, even if they are apexes
that's why dilos work so well
lilac swallow
I said i WANT dilos ats night hunters
I just dont want them being also good at day
brittle bough
yes but you seem to think that because they can kill anything at all during the day means they need to be nerfed lmao
lilac swallow
They are good
inner valley
dilos are strategic, that's their playstyle
lilac swallow
I know
inner valley
uncoordinated packs of dilos are terrible at both night and day, well coordinated ones are good at both night and day, and normal ones are generally good at night and bad at day
pitch black nights wouldn't be buffing dilos
it'd be making it so their strategies can actually work for the majority of the players
because the thing they're hunting can't see them coming from a mile away
gamma or no gamma
barren zephyr
@loud vine
I love the thought of Oviraptor being considered an egg stealer...but yeh...here
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14419510-700-egg-stealing-dinosaur-was-innocent-ok/
(not saying i do not want oviratpor in game, since i kinda do)
night mountain
Honestly though not even considering dilos they should do something with making things darker or something to prevent gamma abuse
hopefully hope has somethin for it
Ovi would be fun for stealing eggs. it probably didn't really do it more than anything else but they're well known in popular culture for it and the isle has a ton of inaccurate stuff anyway
barren zephyr
pfff xD
night mountain
I don't think theres any dinosaur that was especially known to steal eggs anyway so like if you wanted a species to be a nest robber you'd kinda have to slap it on something random anyway
ovis a cool choice because it's at least unique looking 😄
loud vine
@barren zephyr that's interesting to know, ty for the link.
grand brook
Besides just because the original speculation was incorrect, it doesn't rule out the possibility that these dinosaurs ate eggs every once in a while. In the game they could perfectly survive by eating smaller dinosaurs, juvies, ai, gores...BUT they would have the unique ability to steal eggs.
indigo sun
Are you suggesting microraptor as ai or playable?
loud vine
playable, or ai.
indigo sun
Ai would be better, considering theyre far too small to be playable
loud vine
nothings too small
you can run around for 5 minutes on sandbox as a tiny dryo hatchling for gods sake
indigo sun
Nothing smaller than a dryo will be playable
loud vine
how big is a microraptor to a dryo .3.
indigo sun
That's why pteranodon is our smallest flier and nothing smaller than it like dimorphodon will be added
Microraptor is up to a person's knee. Dryo is like a small cow i believe
loud vine
would still be fun terrorizing small creatures with a venomous gliding lizard
wait since they're planning on making dinos physical objects ingame
doesnt that mean a ptera could sit on the back of a spino or rex
for shits n giggles
indigo sun
maybe if they allow it
I wanna ride on brachi ai, but this is getting a tad off topic.
loud vine
mmm its still isle stuff
indigo sun
Yes, but it's no longer talking about a suggestion
so it should probably go to #401464048610312195
night mountain
microraptor would probably be a logistical nightmare even if it wasn't too small
youd need to make an entire tree climbing and branch system just for them
not to mention pretty much anything being able to kill you no problem, including juvis
im all for tiny species getting in but properly arboreal ones that aren't herbivores or insectivores would be rough
I'd be down for a very small very fast pterosaur of some species being basically spectator mode though, that'd be neat.
just make it like, small enough to navigate a forest if you're careful, worth almost no food, and make it able to cling to main tree trunks to chill and BAM, spectator mode.
indigo sun
@night mountain A very neat idea but I feel like a built in spectator mode would be a rather large waste of time and money for the devs to make. A ton of money and time spent for a model, animations, sounds, and all for a tiny fuzzy creature that can do pretty much nothing but fly and eat bugs. It's certainly cute, and the thought is interesting, but it just feels like it would be wasting resources
night mountain
Could always just make it some other pterosaur, that way all you’d really have to do is super shrink the model and give it a different head which’d be leagues easier.
night mountain
I think mechanically meganeura would be the most fun actually because hovering
and aside from the model wouldn't need many animations aside from the wings just kinda vibrating since dragonflies just kinda NYOOM
jovial skiff
but why
who would play it really
and why pay lots of money for a spectator mode
not to mention the amount of scouting will probably increase
jovial blade
Really pointless to be honest
Its just a super small pteradon
Pteradon can allready do everything he mentioned
night mountain
Not really, there's tons of places ptera can't really go. Lots of people would use a spectator mode. Most people I know who play cama for example do it mostly to be chill and ignored and watch shit go down. lol
I could say the same about tons of species, why on earth would anyone wanna be utah and sit on rocks all day?
(because its fun to be untouchable and chill and watch people)
Could make similar arguments for almost any species tbh
I personally can't fathom why anyone would want any other large carnivorous theropod but also get people like different species and playstyles
jovial blade
Where cant pteradon go
Its literally small af
Like dryo size
Like I said pteradon can do everything you mentioned
Just not as small as the dino you suggested
night mountain
it has a huge wingspan. Try flying it through a forest and tell me how that goes for you.
paper oriole
maybe it could just be a visual when admins use spectate, where they go the tiny dino goes to be visible to other players
so the model wouldnt have a full set of animations and all that work, just kinda be there to show admins in spectate with a simple flight animation
paper oriole
sorta like the birds we see near baybrook where theyre really just a visual
i mean yea it is pretty pointless lol, only thing is itd be cute
not worth creating a scratch model like the playable dinos
still temple
@jovial blade Guess sth that is horse sized = small
night mountain
I mean, i think that about like half the roster tbh
still temple
"Half size of a human"
yeah, no.
night mountain
i think acro is cool and all but have no idea why they added in ANOTHER big generic theropod
paper oriole
i mean
they could just cut a tacos arms off and replace it with wings and pretend it's an anuro
still temple
Guess tigers are considered small now using ur logic @jovial blade
paper oriole
i't settle for that
night mountain
Honestly tho the more i think about it the more I think just sing any other ptero would be better
still temple
Anuro's even smaller than the smallest species of taco oof
paper oriole
rip
shrink the taco then we cant tell it's just a taco with wings
cus it'll be too small 😄
anuro is palm sized im guessing
still temple
ye
paper oriole
still temple
hecking smaller than a compy
night mountain
a few small species all youd have to do is like
chop the crest off a ptera model
which is maximum ex mode
ez*
paper oriole
as small as the dragonflies we see by the ponds RIP, if there ever was some sort of smaller-than-ptera spectate/AI dino for what ever reason maybe soething bigger
night mountain
I really hope they add in ptera skins that are just different modeled heads.
WOULD BE SO COOL
still temple
While I'm not against the idea of a small, interesting looking pterosaur. The devs have already said that Ptera is going to be the smallest
eh, Tupan deserves better than getting it's head chopped off and stapled onto ptera
still temple
also Prehistoric Wildlife is a bad source, dont use that cancer
night mountain
oh idk i just google imaged it for a reference real fast
still temple
their sizes are all over the place
I personally would love to see weird stuff like Gnathosaurus, but that's just wishful thinking
night mountain
YES
that'd be really cool
I'd still kill for krill swarms being bush equivalents in the ocean thing
and pseudodastro
still temple
unfortunately, the most interesting creatures are often the small ones
still temple
"Half size of a human"
deep notch
@jovial blade The wiki, not sure if its true but so far it hasnt lead me to anything that isnt true.
jovial blade
Wiki can be edited by anyone so not sure
barren zephyr
Yah
barren zephyr
tho what I know, fandom has page lockdown
deep notch
Like i said it hasnt led me to anything that isnt true ^^
barren zephyr
to only allow admins to edit
vocal echo
@deep notch last i checked giga was healing around 400 while sitting so you're not far off from it but you're spot on with the Rex heal of 700 while sitting.
deep notch
ty
vocal echo
You're welcome , Also we do need to take in consideration that rexes heal 5 bleed while standing and 10 bleed while sitting . The giga on the other hand heals 10 bleed while standing and 20 bleed while sitting last time when i checked giga status on the Balance Stream with Dondi and Hypno
valid zephyr
agreed giga should have a better heal rate. I like the idea of it being endurance based, and outlasting what it's fighting. better healing would encourage that
vocal echo
Again , the Rex as has a pretty trash bleed heal " 10 bleed heal " while sitting so it has to get balanced out with good health reign.
vocal echo
As a Giga player , i know it's more important for bleed to heal faster than your overall health
Yea but you can't heal your health whike bleeding away
While*
So it's better if you have a better bleed heal
barren zephyr
giga deserves no buffs
vocal echo
Atm gigas are god tier
vocal echo
Better than rex anyday , we get stam while troting with one of yhe fastest trots in game
barren zephyr
people who want to giga to have a fair chance against rex are clowns
vocal echo
Dude if a rex player doesn't kill a giga on time via one v one the rex will bleed out
serene hull
Just apexes in general could use some dialing back Imho
at least so long as growing them is kind of a cakewalk
vocal echo
Also giga Atl turn is fking broken XD
barren zephyr
giga needs 3 early hits and he wins the facetanking session against rex
vocal echo
Yup
barren zephyr
he attacks way faster compared to rex too......
vocal echo
Not complaining, i love me my giga but buffing it is a no no . It's already too good in the meta .
barren zephyr
giga needs a nerf lmao
serene hull
Giga heals from 10% (600) to full (6000) in like only 15ish minutes?
Feels quite fast to me
barren zephyr
giga mains act like BB is the worst when giga deals 50bleed with 6k weight.
serene hull
400/minute?
vocal echo
Yup
serene hull
well thats less than 15 minutes isnt it
vocal echo
Giga heals around 400 health while sitting and 20 bleed heal while sitting
Last i saw on the stream which wasn't that long ago
I got the rex stats tho on Screenshot
serene hull
Thats 13.5 min from 10% to full HP
vocal echo
For giga or rex ?
serene hull
Giga
vocal echo
Okay then how much for the rex
vocal echo
I think the apexes are fine where they are right now. Giga good bleed heal . Rex shit bleed heal . Giga shit health heal . Rex good health heal lol
Balanced ^
serene hull
among each other maybe
vocal echo
But all the mid tiers get bodied XD
serene hull
yup
vocal echo
1 giga bite is enough
Same as rex
Unless you get really lucky and survive the fisrt bite and not get a broken leg
languid ember
giga is god tier already, hell to the no if he should get any sort of buff unless he gets nerfs with it
lilac swallow
^
jade schooner
@rustic ice don't trust unless there is a source
rustic ice
Well, I think devs told that
and people is repeating it every time the deino streaming starts
But as I said, I hope Deino wont be like that
I mean, it has a funny part but who wants to grow something with that fate? haha
I think it just needs to be like all apex but different
that's all
violet magnet
it has to be balanced somehow so we won't end up with half a dozen max size deinos in every large lake
some of them would probably cannibalize other big deinos, but a coordinated group with a max size deino each?
nothing would be able to hunt those
rustic ice
And the thing is wasting people time?
48 for free dying it's a big thing, bro
I think it should be added when they rework few things in the game, specially water things
I'm not a dev so I wont tell what things
because i have no clue
@violet magnet I think I understood you bad btw
but well, that's my point about deino stuff
violet magnet
i mean i get the concern that your time would be wasted, but max size deino is supposedly gonna be able to hunt down apexes so there has to be some way to balance that
violet magnet
like the apexes now that are weak in different ways until they hit full adult, makes it harder for them to get to adult in the first place (in theory)
deino will have the water advantage tho
dry cradle
@jade schooner btw you can set your skins in sandbox but you need to do it on the juvie stage, still annoying but easier than changing servers
violet magnet
i host a private server set to survival, make skins for juvies, then grow them to see how they look as adults usually
i also have a folder on my PC with screenshots of all my preset skin palettes so i can just copy those over onto the juvies in survival
valid zephyr
@brazen wolf 100% agree
Mixherding is the only thing herbis have over carnis currently. That shouldn't be taken away.
verbal acorn
Maybe the Deino will only continue to grow as an adult if it is fed in excess....kept full
pulsar lake
I want a playable pachyrino
It would be greater than trike
Not an ai please
And it can be a new herb apex
indigo sun
why is deinosuchus listed as ai?
pulsar lake
With an original game play
Idk
It will be playable
After I hope a system like you are 1/1 and if you want you can continue and don't be like an hypo
valid zephyr
pachyrhino isn't large enough to be apex
would probs be mid tier
i'm still wanting playable ava 😢
indigo sun
people have suggested pachyrhino instead of diablo being a mid tier ceratopsian
pulsar lake
Pachyrino
Is same size
Than trike
Same size so it's an apex
And it can be a ceratopside with bone break
indigo sun
Pachyrhino-person size comparison
jovial skiff
would it just be a trike with more bone break tho?
pulsar lake
No bleed
valid zephyr
could work as a top tier then.
barren zephyr
with more
you mean WITH bonebreak
valid zephyr
though it would be competing with both trike and anky in role
pulsar lake
Bigger damage and bone break
valid zephyr
as i assume anky will become the top herbi bone breaker
night mountain
i hope so
barren zephyr
crushing your skull, ribs and legs
jovial skiff
if we did have pachyrhino with no bleed just bone break it'd make it weak to bleeders
barren zephyr
Anky is more tanky
night mountain
anky hitting you in the leg should be near guaranteed bone break imo
pulsar lake
Pachyrino can be more squishy than trike, like 7 or 6 tonnes and 7000 hp but bigger base damage and bone break
barren zephyr
Pachyrhino would be way more into mobility and damage while anky is all damage and beign a tank
pulsar lake
Or
barren zephyr
so that makes 2 bone breaking herbis at the top
jovial skiff
pachyrhino will be the "Ima crush every bone u have inside you" Trike would be "Ima impale this bitch"
barren zephyr
^^^^
barren zephyr
theri fucking deserves to be playable😭
jovial skiff
pushes theri aside
pulsar lake
Fuck theryz and shan't
barren zephyr
Imagine if it had a stomp too
and if you use the stomp during sprint it makes the pachyrhino have a very short burst of damage as it throws itself head first into a predator
lilac swallow
And styraco deserved way more to be the mid tier ceratopsian 
jovial skiff
That Dibble in the corner
pulsar lake
Styraco should do bleed but Dibble do it and do damage
barren zephyr
I wanna see what happens when Pachyrhino and Trike charge one another
pulsar lake
Interesting
jovial skiff
I would like to see that if locational damage was in that pachyrhino will have almost no difference in hitting certain parts but trike have a huge difference when hitting those said parts
barren zephyr
ceratopsians... boring
Trike's horn could damage pachyrhino's frill pretty damn hard
But Pachyrhino would blow trike's skull into a pulp
valid zephyr
styraco could be alternate dibble skin?
jovial skiff
^
valid zephyr
both same size and bleeders
barren zephyr
also isn't this #401464048610312195
valid zephyr
and both ceratopsians
pulsar lake
Only trike is boring.
I prefer Dibble
jovial skiff
we're talking about pachyrhino tho
pulsar lake
But pachyrino can be more squishy, good bone break, nice damage and e better speed than trike I think in trot but for running just a little bit more
barren zephyr
dude crossed the line by asking dinos who deserve to be survival creatures to be ai....
lilac swallow
I wouldnt mind pachyrhino, but we barely have a stegosaur we dont have an anquilosaur and we are discussing of getting the third ceratopsian? Let other kind of dinos shine too
Arci, even carno and dryos are listed there as ai
valid zephyr
yeah honestly stego and anky should have most top tier herbi priority
barren zephyr
bruh thats kinda fucked up
paper oriole
don't forget the chad theri
pulsar lake
NO
paper oriole
yeees
pulsar lake
FORGET IT
valid zephyr
we don't mention the tickle chicken
jovial skiff
Slides theri again to aside
paper oriole
theri is amazing and deserves to be in survival
pulsar lake
lilac swallow
A slowed down theri would be nice
barren zephyr
just tone down his speed to sucho speed😳
paper oriole
theri yes
barren zephyr
boom
pulsar lake
Slower and decrease his turn
jovial blade
Theri for survival for sure
its right click should do bleed
The right click is useless as shit atm
pulsar lake
No
indigo sun
@paper oriole why did you list deinosuchus as ai to spawn in jungles?
pulsar lake
No bleed theryz
jovial blade
Yes bleed
paper oriole
jungle/swamp it'd spawn in a swamp
jovial blade
The right click should be like a lunge
barren zephyr
he works as an actual psuedo herbivore thats killable
indigo sun
Yes, it really wouldnt be ai
barren zephyr
yea i agree
paper oriole
the jumgle on v3 has suitable waters in it
indigo sun
*but it
still temple
"pachyrhino same size as trike"
no
night mountain
what even was pachys deal
still temple
@indigo sun prehistoric wildlife is a horrible source and should never be used
indigo sun
fair enough
night mountain
was that nose lump really an effective weapon
jovial skiff
prehistoric wildlife
indigo sun
I kinda just grabbed the easiest thing to understand that I saw
jovial skiff
cringes
barren zephyr
the game isn't accurate in sizes
still temple
By looking at that down syndrome looking Pachyrhino, you should automatically know that something is off
indigo sun
regardless, It's not a horribly huge difference. but I think it's enough that pachyrhino wouldnt be apex.
barren zephyr
also what kind of trike do we have ingame?
still temple
@barren zephyr was responding to @pulsar lake 's claim that pachy is same size as trike
also pretty sure in game trike is horridus but scaled up
pulsar lake
It's horridus
barren zephyr
heeeeeeeh
I guess we can just make pachyrhino just a tiny bit smaller
I mean, ingame Sucho is waaaaaaay smaller that it should be compared to Allo
still temple
There is literally like 2 species of pachyrhino that is smaller than horridus
pulsar lake
So more fragile than trike
finite perch
$7,000 for a trike reskin with slightly different stats? no lad
still temple
only canadensis rivals some trikes in size
pulsar lake
Trike reskin ?
still temple
@finite perch we already have a model
still temple
wdym $7000
barren zephyr
Ingame sucho is barely any bigger than allo
I don't see how Pachyrhino being a tiny bit smaller than trike is an issue
pulsar lake
You're like people who said "Ablerto is a sub Rex Reskin" my poor guy
finite perch
?! wat?! holy shit i havent heard of a pachyrhino model
still temple
but pachyrhino is smaller than trike
lilac swallow
As i said before no point on ading a third ceratopsian without even having a single stegosaur nor ankylosaur
still temple
Replace diablo with pachyrhino 
finite perch
also 7k is the approx quote for a new model in the isle
barren zephyr
trike reskin
oh sure, because a skin definitely uses a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DAMAGE MECHANIC
Like, ya know BLEED AND BONE BREAK
still temple
I mean, stego is confirmed coming, so there's that @lilac swallow
pulsar lake
Pachyrino is not Dibble and trike and not anky
finite perch
also i agree put anky, thero, stego in before a third ceratops
night mountain
i honestly would prefer NOTHING similar to species we already have
night mountain
especially generic carnivorous theropods, pls no
barren zephyr
so that's already done
finite perch
i been learned keep moving lad
lilac swallow
Yeah but before a third ceratopsian better a second stegosaur or a first ankylosaur
pulsar lake
Last carnivore will be ptera, deino, Herrera and spino
still temple
Pachyrhino should've been added rather than diablo. But hey, what's done is done. The devs didn't want a worse trike (reason for pachyrhino exclusion), but here we are with diablo
pulsar lake
After idk what will come after
blazing charm
Uh, where's Herrera coming from?
still temple
herrera?
finite perch
?????
lilac swallow
And wheres is the "the last carnis"
still temple
then it's not a fact if it's just a rumour
blazing charm
....Frrrrooooom where?
pulsar lake
Here
jovial skiff
¯_(ツ)_/¯
blazing charm
If it's not from a developer, it can't be trusted.
night mountain
Honestly herra is basically functionally done as is. It needs like, baby models and maybe updated calls
blazing charm
Herrera needs some kind of unique mechanic to make it viable/fun
still temple
IF herrera were to be added, it'll need an entirely new model
pulsar lake
A thinner carni who don't os dryo
barren zephyr
heh King, if you wanna do a Pachyrhino thing later, I think I could help
night mountain
no glaring broken stuff aside from its leg breaking if you fall more than one millimeter
blazing charm
I already did one.
still temple
- It's model is ancient
- It's a vlad model, wouldn't fit well with the current jake models
blazing charm
But, I'll need to update it again.
barren zephyr
how convinient, ammirite?
blazing charm
Mhm.
barren zephyr
yeah but it's not enough apparently
blazing charm
I mean
valid zephyr
if anyone suggests replacing dibble again, ima hop onto whatever server they're on, grow a dibble, and hunt them
blazing charm
I'm trying to down size them
Since I've kinda realised pushing so many playables isn't healthy.
lilac swallow
Good luck hunting my trike or my utah as diablo 
barren zephyr
Dibble's fine... just the animations that aren't great
pulsar lake
Yeah
lilac swallow
styraco is way better
jovial skiff
tbh I think we should think of more mechanic to make dinos unique
pulsar lake
Affinity if it come someday
valid zephyr
my angry little watermelons are perfect
barren zephyr
is climbing trees really planned for herrera?
torn thistle
Might be best to explain a viable re-work for Acro so it fills a niche and has a unique gameplay style compared to Allo and Giga?
jovial skiff
it was just some concept art I believe
still temple
Also to ppl who say pachyrhino can't do bleed, guess these massive fricken spikes are harmless then
blazing charm
^ What Stego said, people need to stop pushing for playables based entirely off of stats or personal preference
lilac swallow
Herrera isnt really planned in first place
barren zephyr
well if so i think climbing suits dilo more
still temple
the only carni with lips besides Utah
blazing charm
Honestly, I'd love to see Acro as some kind of nocturnal pseudo-apex or a long-distance stalker.
still temple
nah, I dont see dilo climbing trees at all
pulsar lake
Allo
barren zephyr
I have my ideas for pachyrhino, but too tired to be coherent right now..
still temple
Acro could be a perfect AI
lilac swallow
I dont really care about acro but i dont see It being just a giga
jovial skiff
I'd like a acro psuedo apex being nocturnal
still temple
tbh Nocturnal and Diurnal ecosystems havent rly been explored much in TI, would be interesting to have different critters spawn in different times of day
pulsar lake
But no I don't think pachyrino should do bleed
finite perch
a dino who can smell footsteps for longer 👀
still temple
cus right now, nigh time is kinda fricken boring for daytime creatures
blazing charm
@valid zephyr I see one issue with Styracosaurus being a Diablosaurus skin, and that's the hitboxes. I feel like they would have to have different hitboxes for the horns.
I know that sounds like a super minir nitpick but I can see it causing some intricate balance fuckery
still temple
only dilo gets any fun at night
barren zephyr
dilo might benefit more than herrera by having the ability to climb trees to ambush prey and escape packs is what i was saying.
barren zephyr
Nv isn't completely trash
finite perch
god forbid night time is dangerous
jovial blade
I only find NV useful in thenyaw or when its completely dark
Because i have no option
But if i can i try not use NV
I can still see in v3
finite perch
i dont see a reason for dilo to climb things when dilo already has its unique mechanics
jovial skiff
Dibble wasn't really known until The Isle came
lilac swallow
Night vision is shit being just a black and white screen filter, hell even scent is black and white while using nv
jovial skiff
from my view
lilac swallow
Exactly no one knew dibble before the isle
jovial blade
I'd love a semi aquatic herb
still temple
@jovial skiff let's be honest, the only dinosaurs the general public knows is Tyrannosaurus and Triceratops. With the occasional Stego, Bronto and Velo
so p much everything else in TI is new to the public
jovial blade
This looks nice
finite perch
legend, its not a bw filter it massively affects contrast
lilac swallow
When i was just general public i knew way more dinos
jovial blade
still temple
@jovial blade so shant basically
jovial blade
a less op shant
And possibly semi aquatic
Also hadrosaurs don't really look that different
finite perch
shant is only op because sandbox
jovial skiff
flaffy Im not talking about like the general public
still temple
as cool as getting more diversity in hadrosaurs, I don't think another giant hadrosaur is needed as of now
blazing charm
Shants were in Survival for awhile
it was fucking awful
we don't need to go through that again.
jovial blade
11tonnes how do balance it
still temple
by not having it in game
valid zephyr
Cama would fill shants role better, and in a more balanced way, and be unquie
lilac swallow
The only way to balance shantu is slowing It to hell, and if It were that slow It would just be a sauropod
still temple
shant is destined to be AI
unless the devs have a strong liking to the obscure asian hadrosaur, which is unlikely
valid zephyr
replace shant with cama imo
jovial blade
I'd be down for semi aquatic herb XD
It has to be big enough to sit in with deinos
Like hippos
blazing charm
Except that there really isn't much that can really do that.
blazing charm
Maybe Deinocheirus, but then you run the issue of conflicting with Theri
still temple
Well, Lurdu was thrown around in the past, but while a lot of ppl liked it, some preferred an Allo clone (cough Torvo cough) over a semi aquatic herb with a unique lifestyle
jovial blade
I mean if they aren't adding in theri
then i'd be down for semi aquatic Deinocheirus
still temple
Deino isn't rly semi aquatic tho, like it hung around water probably, but no real evidence of it adapted for swimming
finite perch
if the isle isnt focused on realism make a non aquatic dino semi aquatic lol
blazing charm
Lurdu doesn't really seem like it would work, and this is coming from someone who tried.
jovial blade
Or what ever herb decent sized that looks some what semi aquatic
jovial skiff
I mean realism doesn't exist
jovial blade
@still temple Same as hippo
You wouldn't imagine a hippo swimming
It mostly just hands in water
To cool off
blazing charm
He'd have to be in the water almost constantly, and you'd just get constantly fucked by Deinos or whatever else is lurking down under.
still temple
Hippos dont swim, they punt around in water
blazing charm
If you had to have an aquatic herbivore, what about Ouranosaurus?
still temple
it's not technically swimming, but who cares
finite perch
kiss kiss fall in dino
blazing charm
I know it's not PROVEN to be aquatic but, fuck it. It's a game.
still temple
Then ppl would claim that it's more fo a maia clone than lurdu
jovial skiff
realism does not exist in this universe 
finite perch
i like ouranosaurus, it has a unique sillohuette and thats important to me
lilac swallow
Rexes wouldnt be bigger they are already a bit oversized
jovial blade
then those people can keep crying
all they want
@lilac swallow Lmao no
The rex here is only like what
5 tonne
Rexe's get alot bigger
lilac swallow
Weight is just a number mate
jovial blade
No lmao
jovial blade
Weight is heavily affected in combat 'mate'
finite perch
pj i am begging you to type your message in one line this is hard to read
jovial blade
It's not just weight
lilac swallow
Our Rex doesnt actually weight 5 tonnes
jovial blade
Lol im use to typing like that sorry I'll try
lilac swallow
Is just a combat number
finite perch
look at this sillohuette. ourano GOOD
still temple
also ourano
finite perch
THE HUMAN COMPARISON AHDSHDHSH
barren zephyr
why ourano
jovial skiff
im guessing it would be slower than maia
jovial blade
That's small
lilac swallow
Wasnt ourano like the Dino Camel? Or im imagining things?
finite perch
irl size =/= game size dude
jovial blade
@finite perch Fuck is the point of suggesting dinos
if you're going to make big ass changes like changing their whole look size etc
still temple
but some form of realism must be kept, or else you'll have 12 meter long Velos cus "IRL sizes dont matter"
finite perch
