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#general-feedback-discussion
torpid wedge
slate nimbus
I will probably look for dino only servers
night mountain
give us this
formal vine
lol
torpid wedge
hear me out
formal vine
It wasnt that feathered
slate nimbus
Its. A. Joke. Guys seriously
lunar sandal
i mean it would help figure out if one male or female better
males are know for vibrant colors
gaunt parcel
Would still be cool to have the
[] feathered
Option
lilac swallow
people asking for feathers on dinos that didnt had them
shell willow
something about the colors on this bird of paradise just feels right for a dilo
lunar sandal
females not so much
torpid wedge
i hate all the muted browns/greys/greens
gaunt parcel
Sure on the ones that have them 👏 
lunar sandal
i mean the option to change would hopefully be they still
torpid wedge
and the male details dont look like they belong
formal vine
Rex had a coating of fur like feathers on the head, but most of the body was scaly and bare skin/
gaunt parcel
^^
formal vine
dont say it
gaunt parcel
O h?
torpid wedge
i just want feathers in general tbh i know many didn't have it but im looking at dinosaurs with feathers and 
formal vine
Pue didnt have feathers
night mountain
lunar sandal
yea that rex didn't have a fully coat but no-one know how much yet
night mountain
i wanna be THIS rex
lilac swallow
Actually the only dinos that would have have feathers in our current game are raptors theri and galli
lunar sandal
xD
torpid wedge
HES DUMMY THICC
formal vine
Thats a dum big rex
shell willow
they're muting colors and watering them down because they don't want people having super vibrant and weird neon-like dinos, but tbh how are these anemic blood-loss lookin ass dinos living with these deadass fugly colors
lunar sandal
i would die if i saw that
night mountain
just lumbering at you dragging its tail like a limp noodle
shell willow
dilo legit has the best colors in the entire game, fight me
night mountain
fund it
steady cosmos
tfw the suggestion discussion chat isnt discussing suggestions anymore
shell willow
it's the only one with real camo and it can look decent with most of the colors in its palette
formal vine
Yo carno needs a buff
steady cosmos
heck no
shell willow
aight
formal vine
Yeas
lilac swallow
Dilo: specialices on camo
Also dilo: has the brightest colors
formal vine
Carno needs a buff
gaunt parcel
They should add every color in the palette, just make it more desaturated
lunar sandal
but we are discussion the feather option range aren't we?
formal vine
It cant solo jack
night mountain
Also guys heres the new concept art for the new spino model
formal vine
Carno was never pack based anyway
night mountain
torpid wedge
i think of a dilophosaurus having feathers like a kiwi
gaunt parcel
Okay that's terrifying
lunar sandal
it's a seal!!!!
formal vine
If I saw that
lunar sandal
and it makes sense
steady cosmos
Jokes are fun
lunar sandal
wait didn't spine had legs?
steady cosmos
and adikav i dont think carno needs a buff
formal vine
Why not?
torpid wedge
@lilac swallow im just playing around with feather colors im not being serious xD
steady cosmos
it is a highly capable pack hunter
night mountain
no spino evolved into elephant seals
lilac swallow
I supposed
formal vine
But carno also needs some leverage when soloing dinos
gaunt parcel
Actually I'm all going in for a feathered allo HAH give me one
spiral pond
Carno grows the same time as dilo
steady cosmos
It obviously doesnt
spiral pond
Yet has like double the weight as Utah
formal vine
Utah can assride a carno if it knows what its doing
steady cosmos
Dilo and utah are much more agile
spiral pond
Also in packs it’s super deadly
formal vine
Its the truth
steady cosmos
Dilo has night vision
slate nimbus
Still cant solo a utah unless its dumb
spiral pond
Carno ha the upside of saying fuk you to everything that tries to hunt it
formal vine
They could atleast give its ambush back
formal vine
Yeah
spiral pond
Ok
night mountain
i want an option for blue carno with red feet and a tan belly
formal vine
It cant fight
night mountain
geddit
steady cosmos
Ive seen a rex grab a carno
Funny as fuck when they dont pay attention during a battle
formal vine
Yeah
And carno's velocity thing makes it lag behind a dino in a race
It like speeds up slowly
shell willow
Also I would just like to say, people who don't realistically pick their colors in a way that's beneficial for their survival will be picked off if they don't know what they're doing so the majority of brightly colored bastards floating around will be very little because of how noticeable they'll be. If people wanna die, so be it, that's on them.
steady cosmos
Not much
formal vine
And the predator could catch up pretty easy
steady cosmos
if you get ambushed close range and you're not accelerated to full you're in danger
night mountain
i would kill for a purple rex option tbph
shell willow
Bird-like colors pls
shell willow
Just don't let utah have bright red feathers there's gonna be hella cardinals
spiral pond
Also carno can solo Maia’s
languid ember
Not anymore
formal vine
When hunting the carno can create tension in a player
spiral pond
Ye Kev
slate nimbus
I would prefer future skins with soft gradients, for males with more vibrant colors (not the whole body). Ex. Male Albertos
formal vine
Maia has turn rate
formal vine
Yeha
spiral pond
You can still bleed it do death
steady cosmos
Carno gets fucked by maia pretty easily
languid ember
Maia hits carno hard
spiral pond
It depends on the carno skill
slate nimbus
If you even find a maia player, carno is still fcked
languid ember
It used to grt fucked because of the bad bleed res, but now it has godly bleed heal and decent res
formal vine
What can carno kill?
spiral pond
Maia
formal vine
Only juvies
spiral pond
If you know what you’re doing
night mountain
oro
formal vine
A dilo an just run into a forest
spiral pond
And dilos and Utah’s
slate nimbus
Only juvies and AI
formal vine
Utahs can assride it
languid ember
Maia’s used to get oofed by carnos, not anymore Mini
spiral pond
It can go both sides now if the maia is good enough and carno bad enough
night mountain
why is carno so bad, didnt they arguably eat sauropods
slate nimbus
Yeah but what way
languid ember
Fuck no carno needs no buffs, it’s one of the most viable dinos already
slate nimbus
How exactly are they godly if they cant even solo a utah or maia?
languid ember
because they don't fucking die
that's why
they can run from all their problems
and they can kill utahs
slate nimbus
But they cant kill anything
spiral pond
And Maia’s
languid ember
just get good and predict the jukes/use your walk turn
slate nimbus
We know they can run, duh
spiral pond
Key word ambush
languid ember
and what is that utah gonna do to it?
slate nimbus
Sorry I cant mindread utahs yet :/
formal vine
A skilled utah can bleed out a carno
languid ember
carno kills a utah in 2 hits, utah needs like 20+ or some shit
spiral pond
A skilled carno can solo Utah pack
formal vine
Carno will be running a lot
steady cosmos
A skilled utah would avoid chasing a carno
formal vine
Bleed is less
languid ember
carno needs no buffs. Period
formal vine
Like 11-13 hits
steady cosmos
Seeing as carno can quickly outspeed a utah
A skilled carno would also avoid a utah due to its agility
slate nimbus
The only way a carno could take on a utah pack is if all the utahs are afk on the ground
languid ember
yea a utah pack is not a good idea, but you can easily roll over one or two
formal vine
Trot is not a good turn rate
slate nimbus
Does it? Never felt like it had one
night mountain
i killed 3 because we all ran off a cliff and broke our legs lmaoo
slate nimbus
Lol
night mountain
thats the power move, get em to chase you off a cliff and have packmates waiting at the bottom
slate nimbus
How is it solo if you have packmates waiting?
night mountain
well, solo doomed em anyway
a fight with a utah pack where everyone has broken legs would be funny though
gaunt parcel
Lmaooo
slate nimbus
Literally most dragged out fight
night mountain
someone try that with me in deathmatch sometime i wanna see if they can still assride it
gaunt parcel
I have been trying to main the allo but now I'm passing to carno at least in survival
slate nimbus
Honestly I would not be surprised if they could
spiral pond
If I have to hear more of suggestions for Rex nerf and giga buff I’ll explode
Like how stupid do you have to be to break the game to the point where we say fuck everything else in game, let’s only focus on Rex v giga
If anything giga needs a nerf cause it just obliterates anything it touches except Rex
Also @brazen wolf stop posting the same thing over and over again it’s getting annoying
The only part I agree with is making giga juvi and sub more fun but that goes for most juvies
indigo sun
Rexes are meant to do a ton of damage while gigas are meant to bleed out. Rex has bonebreak so it can more easily kill its prey because it cant really chase after it. Giga is meant to bleed out thinga and in fact kills pretty much everythings besides rex so whats the fucking point in nerfing rex or buffing giga?
dire bone
Juv and sub giga are so sloooow
indigo sun
Same goddamn argument every goddamn week
spiral pond
Cause uncleraptor keeps adding fuel to it
marble ether
If u can't kill as an adult apex, idk what I can tell you
indigo sun
Fuckin giga players dont even know how their dino's meant to be played
marble ether
I don't even know how people die as adult apexes
spiral pond
Or some giant ass herd that they try to run through
misty island
I died most of the time as apex when defending young ones
Like you know fending off 2-3rexs and let juvis and sub run
But other than that
Ummm
5trikes
That’s about it
formal vine
Yo rex really needs a nerf
Nothing other than another rex can kill it
Every server I go to, 70% is rexes
Everyone wants be a rex
Thats an issue.
misty island
It’s the centre of most people’s childhood
gray quest
Its player skill
misty island
And Rex are meant to be strong
misty island
Define
formal vine
But they cant
misty island
THIS
Nothing are meant to kill anything
God give you your toys and you choose how to play with them
Same goes for the isle
A good pack of dilo can kill a Rex
indigo sun
Trike is for sure meant to have a chance, but it should not easily murder a rex
misty island
Trike have more than a chance
formal vine
Its not everyday that one meets an allo pack of twelve
formal vine
Why is rex the only one in the game with bonebreak?
steady cosmos
4 rexes against 12 allos is weighed in the rex packs favor
formal vine
10% chance
steady cosmos
Not very much at all
formal vine
Rexes shit on allos
steady cosmos
Ill let you know ive tried it before
formal vine
No matter how skilled you are, a rex can tank you
formal vine
Its not like that
steady cosmos
And im no bad player
formal vine
WHY is rex the only one with bonebreak?
misty island
@steady cosmos join our group sometimes
steady cosmos
no.
formal vine
Thats what makes it OP
steady cosmos
Rex has bonebreak because its slow and has to deal with giga being a competitor
indigo sun
Rex needs bonebreak ecause it cant chase its prey
misty island
Before the max 15
misty island
^
formal vine
and trike is meant to have bonebreak
indigo sun
Anky is sandbox and not relevant to balance discussions
formal vine
And stego too
misty island
Lmfao
formal vine
IF a trike stabs you in the leg, you ain't gonna be walking for a while
steady cosmos
thats not breaking bones
misty island
Patchy is the only current survival Dino that are meant to have bone break
formal vine
But it doesn't
steady cosmos
Its not a tempered mechanic
formal vine
Why was bonebreak removed from all dinos?
formal vine
But why was bonebreak removed in the first place?
steady cosmos
It was annoying as fuck
formal vine
Why give it back to only a single dinosaur then?
steady cosmos
Why do you think
misty island
Why does rex only have 30 sprint second
steady cosmos
30
formal vine
Rex has an unfair advantage against everything
misty island
Why does rex can’t regen stam when walking
misty island
@steady cosmos thanks was a typo
formal vine
Once rex gets bonebreak in a target, it doesn't have to use stamina to kill.
steady cosmos
That doesnt mean the target still cant fight?
misty island
I am pretty sure he can’t give u a bone break
formal vine
Once bonebreak is in, it can assride the target, its what most players do
steady cosmos
Sadly yes
formal vine
And a rex will mostly ambush you
misty island
Don’t get ambush
steady cosmos
Most people whine however, because there are just a ton of players playing rex
steady cosmos
Its not that easy, most people just dont pay any semblance of attention to their surroundings
and get ambushed by rexes
formal vine
Its just unfair that half of the server is rexes
misty island
His head sticks out of a bush even when Hing
steady cosmos
Unless you're playing trike, you should keep on alert
Seeing as trike ain't escaping a rex anyways
misty island
Well
True that
But um
If you start running
When Rex is still kinda far
You can buy just enough time to log when your stam hits 20%
formal vine
Giga is meant to be a competitor and should be able to kill rex
indigo sun
NOPE
misty island
Stop asking to fight apex of the game
steady cosmos
1v1 is the worst scenario to put dinos in
indigo sun
Gonna stop you right there mate
misty island
And want to win everytime
formal vine
Its one of the only other apex
misty island
Giga is meant to destroy anything that is not an apex
indigo sun
Rex should kill it because giga fuckin destroys everything else
misty island
Actually
steady cosmos
How about rex should avoid giga and giga should avoid rex
misty island
Giga shits on trikes more than rex
misty island
I mean
There’s a pack of giga I used to hang with back when raptor rock was a thing
We used to go down to raptor rock and hunt rexs
Have a pack of 4 gigas
You can toy with Rex
Easily
formal vine
4 gigas
misty island
Just have to cut in and out at the right time
steady cosmos
Packs are different stories
misty island
Well this is not meant to be a solo game is it......
formal vine
Yeah
steady cosmos
Depends on how you play your dino.
misty island
If you want the same advantage for a pack goes for a solo player
steady cosmos
the only dino i dont see viable as solo is trike
misty island
What is the point of having a pack
steady cosmos
cus he cant quiet walk
formal vine
Trike V rex is biased.
formal vine
Rex can bonebreak trike
misty island
If you give the advantage of a pack
formal vine
And assride it after
misty island
To a solo player
What is the point of having a pack
You don’t have as much battle readiness
That’s what a pack is for
To protect or to hunt more effectively
formal vine
I'm talking about a 1v1 situation
steady cosmos
both solo and pack gameplay have their advantages
misty island
Also 3v 4 rex we won
Tho rex might have bitten their own couple times
Ok what 1v1 do you want to talk about
formal vine
Its sad for giga players to grow 6 hours and see a rex
formal vine
As a solo giga if you see a rex, its a death sentence
formal vine
Rex players kill any thing
formal vine
A giga wouldn't walk to a rex
indigo sun
You can just like, start moving if you see a rex. If you see a rex and sit there until it gets close, then idk what to tell ya.
formal vine
And theres ofcourse the overpopulation of rexes in almost every server
indigo sun
Well we cant do much about that
formal vine
people can just sit and feed off AI, in a isolated place.
rex should be somewhat hard to grow
indigo sun
It should but it currently isn't and until it is actually hard to grow and ai doesnt drop into those screamy fuckers' mouths, we've got to deal with how many there are
misty island
Cus we had many discussions about ai spawns
formal vine
Go on?
misty island
From quick patches like lower the %of hunger before food start spawning
To further reducing the amount of food Ava provides for apex
To my recent territory suggestion
Which basically increase exposure of an individual when afk growing
I suggest you search for it if you want to know what the community discuss
The dev are working on a huge update
formal vine
I like your territory one
misty island
That would change majority of the current game systems
It’s essential to voice your opinion
I get that
But try not to rant at the community ya?
Cus devs are working on it
And people here are actually thinking hard and try to help too
formal vine
hm
barren zephyr
ais problem is that it spawns in so much food so close
formal vine
Yeah
barren zephyr
i would liked it if like ai spawned at a decent range and it had varied ai for your creature/packs need
indigo sun
I'd like if it didn't spawn entirely based off of hunger, but instead ai wandered around like normal dinosaurs, but maybe within a range of the point at which they spawn
barren zephyr
maybe a pack of like 6 allos spawns in 1 cory at a long range if their hunger is below 50%
marble ether
@floral plover changeable skin patterns are also planned
floral plover
Yah, just throwing that out there.
keen mural
Oops havn't saw your message Viper before suggesting the changeable skin patterns xD
rotund tartan
I would like ai to spawn ... something bigger
like a dibble that can .. maybe fight back
I said... "like a dibble" .. not a real "dibble" for people that have trigger fingers
a damn dibble would destroy any juvie or even subadults rexes or gigas
barren zephyr
meh ai shouldn't and wouldn't be current survival dinosaurs
umbral prairie
I also think AI dinos should be different from playables, maybe use pachyrhinosaurus or corythosaurus AI (since they have models for them afaik) , reuse animations of playables (maybe alter them a bit to fit the anatomy of the AI). Cory could maybe run a little faster and fight low tiers, pachyrhino could fight against mid tiers (unless heavily outnumbered) but be easier to catch as an apex.
indigo sun
@valid flower you can just put it in #401465476661641217 instead of making it a suggestion
valid flower
brisk mesa
@grand brook What benefit would allowing this bring to the game? The devs would need to animate all of that and for what purpose, immersion, roleplay?
grand brook
aside from the last two things, to make gameplay more entertaining. Herbies could definetly benefit from doing such activites as a way of passing time without having to murder each other in the process
if i'm not mistaken there were talks each group having a leader, i'm not sure
normal fern
Unnecessary,
If you want to be the leader/alpha beat the shit out of anybody who challenges you
When animals fight irl they don't have a completely different style of non-lethal combat, they just go at each-other until one of them runs away, submits or dies
The isle already has that.
If you want to lead a herd beat the shit out of the current alpha, if they want to live they'll submit, otherwise they die
grand brook
except it doesn't work always like this, the reason that deer have antlers that interlock is to avoid fatal damage as a way to separate both fighters bodies from each other, same with any sort of horn like structure. In the case of carnivores combat gets more bloody but again it usually doesn't end in any fatal wounds, otherwise their overall fitness and chances of survival would be severally reduced
it's counterproductive in every way
also, we do have evidence of horned dinosaurs locking horns while fighting, so it wouldn't be something nearly as speculative nor unrealistic
umbral prairie
at least the ceratopsians locking horns might be possible with dino collision, I think they might make the horns be able to poke through things so their attacks look realistic but maybe they will program it so horns do not stab through ceratopsian skulls
night mountain
wouldn't rexs biting each others jaws do a shitload of harm
grand brook
not necessarily because their skulls are used to deal with the blunt force and stress, so it would be a bit bloody but not nearly as much as biting in other parts of their bodies
many theropods bear marks on their skulls of interspecific fights, and many of them are healed
which shows it wasn't deadly damage
unborn quail
Neck Bites> Skull bites when dealing with similarly sized animals(special cases obv i.e stego)
Most skull bites a attributed with non-hunting situations/interspecific, i.e territory fights, mating, etc, In comparison to grabbing something's neck, it's not as viable
night mountain
idk i just think its p weird in game to have rex bite strong enough to break a huge dinosaurs leg instantly but not strong enough to break a jaw
i mean yeah neck bites are probably worse though
grand brook
neck bites are absolutely much worse
umbral prairie
I have no idea if this makes sense but maybe rexes also just pushed each other with their heads? the 'eyebrow bones' (I am very sorry for that, idk how to call it in english xD) and the rough snout parts could prevent the heads from slipping off
grand brook
it's not that their jaws wouldn't be strong enough to not break bones, it's that their skulls would be able to handle the pressure
jovial blade
I doubt they would be that friendly
grand brook
that could work for carnos actually
jovial blade
Towards each other
Lol
I'd imagine rex fights over territory or mating would be lethal
unborn quail
We have evidence to say otherwise, but that's more #paleotalk
lament thorn
They'd Probs be pretty nasty but I think most animals and players would rather lose and live to see another day
grand brook
that's also something i wanted to mention, the viability in gameplay
umbral prairie
I feel like the winner would just kill the loser so they have food, unless it is a friend of them and they want to keep them in the pack
grand brook
people wouldn't want to loose a 7 hour dino over a petty squabble
lament thorn
Or the winner is also badly injured and would rather just stop and heal
grand brook
so non lethal methods for fighting among members of the same species is a good solution for that
or for dinos that die like flies because of a couple of bites of other members of their kind, like utahs
wintry cipher
Here's the thing. Why honor fight and risk losing when you can ambush your rival, kill him, have food AND the females? And your hp
grand brook
it's not a matter of honor, it's a matter of actually fighting not hunting
wintry cipher
Because if your in a group your NOT going to fight your packmate
jovial blade
Well utahs are suppose to have feathers
grand brook
specially since cannibalism is to be punnished
wintry cipher
...where did you get feathers from Utah killing each other easilly?
grand brook
yeah i'm confussed
lament thorn
wait what
wintry cipher
....yeah no
grand brook
what about a pecking order among a pack
wintry cipher
If your in a group people already established who's going to mate
jovial blade
Males display infront of females
grand brook
utahs are clearly pack hunters in the game
wintry cipher
And who's the boss
jovial blade
And the female picks the best
lament thorn
You aren't fighting one another just as a display
jovial blade
You dont have to fight for mating
In some cases
Its why males have bright colours
wintry cipher
Okay. I'll use Utah as an example. I see two males. I know one is a better fighter. Even if the other displays better I'm going to pick the one ik can defend me
sick crescent
What’s happening here?
jovial blade
They dont just have bright colours for the fun of it
lament thorn
Yeh but unless one is hideous I doubt people are really gonna care
grand brook
it's not just a mater of who gets to mate, it's also a matter of your place is an group
wintry cipher
People WONT care quite frankly
wintry cipher
Thus it's a waste of money if people ignore that feature
sick crescent
Yeah
grand brook
i doubt they would, considering it could be quite a spectacle
sick crescent
It would be kinda unnecessary
If you have to fight/seduce for a mate and all you should be forced to, not have it be optional.
lament thorn
Perhaps affinity could push players into getting 'superior' mates
jovial blade
Well I have no idea how it will work
wintry cipher
And even if your forced to it just makes an annoying step for a feature that is still borderline unviable yet in nesting
sick crescent
The females can already pick the males with the best skins to he their mate technically, for the better skins.
wintry cipher
^
sick crescent
So it’s completely unnecessary
wintry cipher
Affinity
grand brook
i...don't see how is that not compatible with what is being discussed
lament thorn
Upgrading stats was gonna be a reward thing for doing what you should?
jovial blade
And affinity Carrie's to babies?
jovial blade
Wait so will I get faster or better bite force if my affinity is good
wintry cipher
No clue
grand brook
what if affinity is also related to who is the leader of a group?
wintry cipher
Exactly
grand brook
we can only speculate for now
sick crescent
Affinity is “different” from perks, it’s basically a “be like you would be naturally, have the mind, needs, wants, desires, etc of the dinosaur.”
We were told this by Dondi
Affinity will come with “buffs/debuffs” though obviously
grand brook
...again what about this is incompatible with ritualized fighting?
sick crescent
It’s unnecessary
grand brook
if anything it makes you feel more like a dinosaur
torpid wedge
what do you mean fights arent fatal
irl animals literally fight until death or submission
especially over females
sick crescent
Or how about the female picks the male herself and nests with them
No fighting required
No time making the mechanic required
grand brook
again you are looking at it from the reproductive side, which of course is included
lament thorn
Yeh unless the female wants males to fight over her it's just gonna be the player selecting their friend
grand brook
but i'm talking more about hierarchies within groups, an interesting feauture that allows players, specially herbivore players, to spend time doing something other than nesting or feeding
jovial blade
I think mating should be added to affinity
grand brook
a tool that allows for some interesting behaviour among dinosaurs of the same species
indigo sun
what do you mean by mating
sick crescent
If its optional, then the mechanic is more useless.
jovial blade
When you reach a certain point as a adult you should find mate or something
sick crescent
The female can literally make the males fight over her too, you know.
jovial blade
but we dont need a mechanic to find a mate
The player can pick
How to find one
Its just making the baby is the affinity
You understand?
lament thorn
I'm lost
sick crescent
Yeah that confused me Monk
grand brook
sure, but the males wouldn't have to risk killing each other in the process that's what i'm getting at, some dinosaurs have very strong attacks and if pitted against their own kind the damage might be too much
jovial blade
So forget fighting or all that for a mate for affinity
The objective is successfully nest a egg
sick crescent
^
sick crescent
It literally can happen right now as we speak
“Fight over me to win me, whoever wins is my mate”
jovial blade
Yep
grand brook
i'm not arguing against that, I want to give more options to the players by using not as lethal methods
indigo sun
if people wanna fight over something let them fight if someone doesnt 4 call before they die it's their fault. I see no need for a mechanic specificially designated for mating
jovial blade
I'm sure the players will 4 call
lament thorn
At least with how bleed is now people fighting don't accidentally kill each other unless they want to
sick crescent
It’s not necessary whatsoever and would be a waste of time on the devs part.
grand brook
it was a sugestion, I think it would be a nice addition and you may or may not like it, I just think it would be a way to actually behave like the dinosaur you're playing as
which is what the devs are looking for
night mountain
What if there was just a way to do non lethal damage
Have it be able to be toggled on and off
I can’t really picture people wanting to damage their dinosaur in mating fights anyway, being the male doesn’t actually do anything for you and as things are I’ve never seen people care who their mate or packmates are even a little bit
vestal rune
@azure crag or you know, just turn on the static hud
azure crag
oh ok does it show u ur stats?
vestal rune
yes
vestal rune
yes
azure crag
ah ok tysm!
vestal rune
np
indigo sun
it doesnt show the exact percentage but you can see your hunger and thirst
blazing charm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1squ5fqgPmrYq9CZx-mWwzsSYr7xwwcb1eJuaPTQWKY8/edit?usp=sharing This is what Levi Ackerman was referring to.
The uh, Mangrove thing was also mentioned in my Savannah document.
lilac swallow
@torpid wedge ai just needs to not spawn based on hunger
misty island
Should really just spawn ai in landscape
Lakes rivers anywhere that is biologically reasonable
And having ai spawn for hungry carnivores are not fair actually
The amazing carni detector
Used by both carnivores and herbivores
gaunt parcel
^
pulsar lake
@barren zephyr you weren't full adult if you get one shot by a Giga.
After apex are very powerful to all solo dinosaur but when you are in a pack you can kill them easily.
lilac swallow
Still giga needs a raw dmg nerf, its a bleeder after all
umbral prairie
most things will need to be rebalanced once locational damage and dino collision are there, also afaik they also have a new system for health, stam, bleed and bb
lilac swallow
It should, but It has way to much
Yeah fine, giga has a 50/50 in a facetank with trike
umbral prairie
the damage is a bit much imo. giga doesn't need it's bleed against anything but other apexes, it just kills with raw damage mostly
but for now it is ok
since the current stats are most likely not the stats we will have after they reworked combat
lilac swallow
Yeah i dont care of any stat currently because they are all gonna change, but saying giga's dmg is fine is...
umbral prairie
at least better than saying giga needs a buff or 50/50 rex (which many people do sadly)
lilac swallow
Way better
jovial blade
I think the damage is fine
It bleeds other apexes
Plus without the dmg people would start complaining that's it's too weak
I'd just wait for new combag
Combat
lilac swallow
The thing is that giga can win a face tank with a trike
lilac swallow
Yesterday they said It was a 50/50
jovial blade
Who
lilac swallow
Azure i think
jovial blade
Giga cannot face tank a trike
umbral prairie
yeah I'm not saying they should change it before the recode, and it is not OP, it just doesn't quite work how it is supposed to. But gigas also don't have their brachi AI yet
pulsar lake
Why sucho and spino would have this abbility ?
They are not crocodile.
They are more like fisher bird, Heron/Stork/Wading bird than a crocodile.
Don't forget the deinosuchus.
wintry cipher
They also have far larger lungs than a tiny lizard to hold oxygen. They'll be fine without a bubble ^^
pulsar lake
Their noses are not do for this.
They have their nose in the back for have their jaw in the water and to stay in.
They are can swim and be subermged but probably not longer than crocodile or real su aquatic animal.
jovial blade
They don't need to dive
They have long snouts
to catch fish in water
and they can lurk submerged with their snouts out of the water
pulsar lake
Yes but The Isle have done for them this abbility to have a chance to escape apexs.
jovial blade
Just get rid of the ambushing into water
And semi aquatic dinos will do fine on escapes
pulsar lake
Yea spino and sucho shouldn't able to do aquatic ambush.
formal vine
Sucho and spino were semi aquatic, And they did stay in water for periods of time, but not as long a crocodile, they should be the fastest swimmers and the only ones who can dive underwater, But would drown if they stayed underwater too much.
clever leaf
I'm aware that the recode will likely change anything. But regardless, Giga shouldn't be as reliant on raw damage as it does right now.
It doesn't even rely on bleed against most things. It just explodes them with raw damage
later on giga needs to be more in-line to be an actual bleeder. its supposed to be feared for its bleed rather than absurd damage like what rex should be feared for
dont give me that "just because it's a bleeder doesn't mean it shouldnt do damage" yeah like totally it doesnt do damage if its not 700
vagrant crest
Giga did fine when it had a weaker bite force and was lighter 🤷
That passive stam regen was all it really needed
imo
lilac swallow
But "muh giga cant kill rex"
vagrant crest
More like"but muh giga can't kill a rex without having to put thought into it"
clever leaf
just because giga is big doesnt necessarily mean that he has to be equipped to fight rex
vagrant crest
tbf there's one creature in the whole game that makes giga run for the hills
and that's alright
lilac swallow
Just by weight giga could do tons of dmg to mid tier with a weak bite force
Not tons but much
vagrant crest
prior to bite force buff all it needed to do was 1 bite to force mids to run to the hills or die of bleed(Basically still a one shot)
Killing rex's in duos was fun also
lilac swallow
Besides apexes i dont think any dino can survive giga's bleed if not rest why would giga need that high raw dmg?
misty island
@pulsar lake
more like
a longer jaw
the isle nasals zone is not where you indicated on the skull picture
its at the back end of the last curved teeth
so it would be behind the canine tooth on the skull
still temple
@barren zephyr but do we really need 2 large sauropods though
especially since all large sauropods is destined to become AI anyways
blazing charm
@dusty grail Pretty sure Titanoboa is still planned.
dusty grail
ohhh I didn't know, sounds good tho!
blazing charm
@zinc void Pretty sure that's still planned aswell, something along the lines of sinking once you run out of stam was mentioned a veeery long time ago. Not even sure if there would be a clip of it.
zinc void
ok
blazing charm
@barren zephyr That doesn't seem entirely viable to me, personally. We're already going to have Brachiosaurus replacing Puertasaurus.
Uh, I know.
I was just discussing it.
edgy furnace
@barren zephyr i dont see the point in another sauropod
we already got pue brachi and cama
blazing charm
Pue isn't even going to be a thing anymore
As far as I know, Brachiosaurus is replacing Puerta
misty island
Titanoboa should trash on Rex
Just saying
Cus you know they don’t have legs
Get it get it
zinc void
what.
versed blaze
@keen trail You can use the Steam Server list for that for now. 😃
Steam - View - Servers
keen trail
Oh
versed blaze
It's not in-game for The Isle but it will get you what you need. 😃
keen trail
I was talking about it being in game, but I guess that would work just as well
inner valley
@valid flower that's the cost of being fast
lilac swallow
Exactly, carni and galli take very long to regen stam too
night mountain
the lizard post is cool but its worth mentioning that ONLY works because they're so small
barren zephyr
i dont think utah stam needs a buff
outer nebula
agree a fully adult utah can run across the map
paper oriole
I think diff full adult sizes would be neat, but also based on affinity when growing
night mountain
the big problem with diff sizes is iirc it messes up the animations
keen trail
How
night mountain
not lining up with the size/speed i think
keen trail
That could always be fixed
night mountain
maybe im misremembering though
barren zephyr
If you're talking about the feet sliding on the ground while walking, that's pretty common in lots of games unfortunately. And quite a few dinos have it right now.
keen trail
Dilo crouch does
viral creek
@keen trail Stats do change indirectly with size. With shorter size comes with shorter stride length. So the smaller varient will be notebly slower than all the others.
teal grotto
To the one who Spelled too big about the Lizard breathing underwater...
Too big like Ridley in smash but got in anyway and is NOT too big at all?
blazing charm
That has...
Nothing to do with it.
There is a huge difference between a big purple dragon being unviable for a fighting game, and an animal using an airpocket to breathe.
barren zephyr
The reason that lizard is capable of doing that air bubble thing is mostly because he is small
It wouldn't work at all with a sucho who is like 300x larger
Plus it'd look completely ridiculous
unborn quail
Especially when it could easily just have a longer capacity to hold its breath underwater
unborn quail
Think of a Sucho like a Water Monitor rather than a tiny lizard relying on air pockets
Can spend extended amounts of time under water, but not as long as something like a Deinosuchus
keen trail
@viral creek they could make it so it has a faster stride, making it just as fast.
night mountain
It's not like ridley, it's like saying rex shouldn't take fall damage because dwarf geckos don't.
night mountain
make it breathe through its cloaca underwater like a turtle lmao
night mountain
i'd be down for that
serene hull
@night mountain Pretty disgusting but I see a lot of potential in that and not just for trolling purposes. Spraying musk would be a really unique defensive mechanism. Have it wear out over time but lets say you could get rid of the effects immediately if you entered the water. Could also tie into affinity in some way b/c lets be honest nothing would want to hang out near something that's covered in some kind of stinky glandular secretion.
night mountain
yeah im into that! 😄
misty island
they should also add in parasite in rotting meat
and crea or some other scavenging dinos would be immune to it
while active hunters will get a halt in growth or decrese in bite force after cunsuming rotten meat for a period of time
night mountain
ironically parasites are usually more of an issue in fresh meat
but im into it, i want scavengers to be better
barren zephyr
kaprosuchus is so small lol
misty island
@night mountain I know
night mountain
playable parasites when
misty island
And it’s mostly transmitted by contaminated meat
By feaces in water or body
But fuck that
blazing charm
@celest jasper Video game balance
Pretty sure the biteforce indicator is just used for the damage output they have.
If you increased that, you'd have to incease eveythings' health and damage values. Which means you'd be accomplishing the same thing, but with bigger math/calculations.
And that's just too much hassle.
celest jasper
Ikr how it’s measured in game
But it way too low imo
Make no sense
They should buff numbers
No gameplay
blazing charm
Okay but again, if you buff ALL the numbers it just creates the possibility for the math to be wrong.
You wanna go for the lowest, simplest numbers to be efficient and easy to work with.
celest jasper
Eh I guess
vestal rune
people really need to stop taking the stats on the character menu and criticizing them for reality purposes
they're not there to actually represent the animal, just to show how they interact with other animals ingame
celest jasper
If your trying to make everything accurate about the Dino’s, bite force is a must
vestal rune
they're not though
that's my point
it's not like in saurian where the encyclopaedia is there to educate you about the reality of dinosaurs
the character menu is only there to provide information on what your dino can and cannot survive, kill, outrun, ect...
celest jasper
Yeah I guess
jovial blade
@celest jasper
Their aim isnt to be realistic
Also if dinosaurs got their exact size and all that it wouldn't be balanced at all
barren zephyr
juvie utah weights as much as a utah raptor irl when 100% lol
celest jasper
Ahah
barren zephyr
did i say its wrong to have it at 600kilos
pulsar lake
Like anky
leaden night
Juv Utah weighs over double that of a fresh adult
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Any...particular reasons why?
barren zephyr
giga
needs 2 shots to put rex at max bleed
3 to put trike at max bleed
has the third fastest alt turn and a crazy bleed res, a literal "fuck you" to midtiers
his 50+ that weight is legit a stronger rex bb
he is capable of facetanking trike even with stomp and legit the worst atm....
his attack hitbox is retarded.
do i need to say more? @blazing charm
rex is legit the only balanced apex for the whole game
blazing charm
(1) While Giga only needs to put a few bites on a Rex to put it at max bleed, Rex has pretty good bleed resistance, it's still going to take a while for the rex to actually bleed out and even then, the Rex can easily cripple the Giga with bone break.
(2) Trike is sort of an awkward situation overall, with Trike it's all about a situation of managing your movement, healing bleed/damage while trying to fend the Giga off.
(3) Midtiers should just run the hell away, only thing I can really imagine challenging a giga is a massive group of allos.
(4) Weight is getting reworked so, we'll have to wait an dsee for that.
(5) Facetanking is not a viable way of determining balance
(6) Hitboxes are fucked, or supposedly the timing for them is.
Most of the things I mentioned above are most likely going to be addressed in the code rework, there is no telling how much is going to be changed.
barren zephyr
sure facetanking is not a viable way of determining balance but assriding is and giga is good at that
bleed res just reduces dmg taken from moving walking. giga legit puts 100 bleed at rex in 2 bites
gigas bleed is the most pointless shit
it has 700n and 6k weight
his bleed is like rex's BB but u take immense dmg and die in seconds if you dont rest immiedetly
his ambush is the most quite shit ever.
legit its better than rex ambush due to making less sounds than a gliding owl and having almost double the duration while being able to regen stam with his broken trot.
weight will just get a replacement
barren zephyr
20man allos legit cant kill a giga
unborn quail
@blazing charm A group of Allos cant even touch a giga MonkaS
unborn quail
Yeah
blazing charm
I've seen them take down rexes
unborn quail
Alt turn speed.
barren zephyr
giga is a rex without rex's flaws that make him balanced
unborn quail
That and one bite from a rex wont kill an allo so long as it doesn't get bb
Giga has an insanely good alt turn and bleed resistance
barren zephyr
giga is the true apex creature of the isle
unborn quail
Coupled with high damage and bleed
Only thing that can touch a giga is a rex, I've heard of dilos doing it too, but everything else is just a joke to it
barren zephyr
the only way i imagine dilos could take on a giga is if the giga is on no alt and its nighttime
unborn quail
Probably a combination of it being night and dilos being a good bit smaller than something like allo
barren zephyr
meh dilo being smaller doesnt matter since gigas attacks hit box is very broken atm
its like trikes "force gores"
languid ember
Gigas alt turn for sure needs a nerf
serene hull
Pretty sure Rex breaks allo 100% of the time
Giga should have lower biteforce so it actually works as a bleeder
languid ember
If you lower his biteforce he gets rolled over by rex without even making him think twice, which beats the purpose of the damage. He was given the damage for a reason, so he has a chance at fighting back and sometimes win vs rex if he plays his cards right (with the help of the rex being dumb)
Iirc they wanted giga to at least have a chance to defend himself, which he can’t without the damage
languid ember
He has to be garbage to die to anything other than rex/trike, that’s why his alt turn needs a nerf
And cuck his bleed res a little bit
clever leaf
Even at nighttime. If a dilo bit him once, if that giga had half a brain he should know to be on alt-turn and thus said dilos wouldnt be able to bite him again without dying
lilac swallow
Why would giga needs chances to win vs a rex? Considering Rex is the only bad match up for giga and still giga can just run away letting giga a chance to kill a rex isnt neccesary
languid ember
Why shouldn’t he have a chance? If giga gets an alt turn and bleed res nerf to make him more vulnerable to packs i don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to defend himself from rex
He still gets fucking oofed by rex
But he’s not helpless like he was
spiral pond
Ah giga balance discussion my favorite
languid ember
Lol right
lilac swallow
Still giga is perfectly fine without chances against rex and that high dmg just makes it's bleeder gimmick useless
spiral pond
I won’t join cause we are basically saying everything over and over again
But yea giga has a bit too much raw dmg
It is in situation where it uses bleed to fuck up trikes and raw to kill mids
languid ember
But here’s the thing
spiral pond
While bleed is not as effective on Rex cause Rex can still move and y’know still bite you and break your leg
spiral pond
Nah
languid ember
Because they will still bleed iut
languid ember
What are you replying to atm
languid ember
Nerfing his damage will barely change anything for midtiers because of 50 bleed lol
spiral pond
It will actually force them to use bleed
lilac swallow
But will make it so it doesnt screw trikes
spiral pond
Ok so how would you balance giga
languid ember
But why nerf him so he doesn’t screw trike, when you can buff trike who already struggles vs rex AND giga
clever leaf
locational damage should sort out trike
spiral pond
Or nerf all apexes to reduce apex power gap
clever leaf
should sort out many balancing things
barren zephyr
reducing the power gap would been nice
languid ember
It will, but i can imagine apexes staying like this untill then which is a shame
clever leaf
plus, when giga finally gets sauropods as his staple prey, i dont think he would have any need to excel at hunting trike
barren zephyr
trike needs to be untouched by bleed
lilac swallow
Why reduce the power gap?, apex grows twice slower than all midtiers except sucho its power gap is fair
spiral pond
Cause they get 4x the power
barren zephyr
u just adjust the growth
lilac swallow
Isnt allo like 4x stronger than utah?
spiral pond
10 suchos will still get fucked by a single Rex if it wishes so
languid ember
Anyway, my opinion is that giga doesn’t need less raw because it doesn’t really change anything. But instead trike should get more raw, so he can better deal with rexes and gigas in 1v1
lilac swallow
The thing is that trike only needs buff to apexes because vs midtier is untouchable, so why dont nerf the other 2?
spiral pond
That is literally what I am saying
clever leaf
rex and trike are both killable for midtiers
languid ember
He WAS, because of his walk turn
clever leaf
its just giga thats untouchable atm
lilac swallow
Still if giga wont notice the dmg nerf except vs apexes why dont nerf it?
languid ember
Becaue of literally what you wrote, he will be helpless vs rex
The devs don’t want him to ve that
Deal with it
spiral pond
He already is
languid ember
P much
spiral pond
If the Rex is smart
lilac swallow
Giga is supposed to run away from rex
languid ember
Rex still oofs him in a 1v1, but the giga has a chance unlike before
Before it didn’t matter what the rex/giga did, rex would always win
serene hull
well before Giga was also the faster animal
languid ember
But now if the rex actually does a mistake and is careless in the fight, giga can win
True, but he isn’t now
lilac swallow
Giga still can run away from rex
clever leaf
rex might be faster in base speed, but tbf giga does outstam and outtrot it
lilac swallow
Giga runs twice the distance than rex
serene hull
Giga was still a powerhouse at just 350N
and like 35 bleed or whatever it used to have
languid ember
Well yes, to anything not apex. He got oofed by those
languid ember
Balancing giga is not rocket science, it’s just so many people hate it they just want him nerfed in ways that are not needed instead of finding proper solutions
And that’s a fact
lilac swallow
Giga can just avoid apexes, doesnt need a chance at killing them. Would you say galli needs chances vs mid tiers because it gets oofed? No because galli can just avoid them.
serene hull
Giga was always the better non-apex pack hunter for me
While Rex hunts big game as solitary animal or small packs
languid ember
Cerato can avoid allo, people still want it to have a chance at winning if he plays his cards right. Giga can avoid rex, but people don’t want him to have a chance vs him in a fight
The isle double standards lol
lilac swallow
Cerato cant avoid allo, runs only a bit faster but during a whole minute less
barren zephyr
i agree with what ditto said
languid ember
Cerato escapes allo just fine, i have played cerato enough to know that
barren zephyr
wtf
serene hull
it doesnt wtf @languid ember
barren zephyr
i meant to say i agreed with what kev said about trike needing a dmg buff
cera escapes allo
languid ember
@leaden night that’s completely fine, but i see more people wanting nerfed giga into the ground and not touch the other two, which is what i’m trying to respond to
I wouldn’t mind all three toned town
serene hull
afaik allo has almost a whole minute more runtime than cerato lol
languid ember
But i’m against toning down 1 or two and leaving third a beast
leaden night
Ye
lilac swallow
If allo dont catch cera is because the allo isnt patient enough
Nerfing gigas dmg doesnt stop It for being a beast
mental sleet
It helps considerably
languid ember
I have nothing to say on that, i’ve never been outstammed by an allo lol, played it quite a while too
leaden night
Anyway outside of C. Rex sympathizers people just want Cerato have a bleed res buff because it heals bleed so mediocrily compared to its res
languid ember
If cerato was like people wanted when it got reworked it would have a 50 km/h ambush and 0.1 res
mental sleet
if any animal*
barren zephyr
i outstam maias during hunts lol
languid ember
I don’t think cerato should have 0.1 across the board like it used to. Slightly more, maybe 0.3 or something
leaden night
.1 across the board wouldn't change much because Cerato does have the 4.5k HP of prior that made it immune to bleed
languid ember
You mean doesn’t right
mental sleet
0.1 bleed resist would be 10 damage every 3 seconds at 100 bleed
languid ember
Eh, it’s so much better now tho i feel like it doesn’t need immunity to bleed
mental sleet
Might be immortal at that point.
languid ember
Exactly
leaden night
True
leaden night
.3 or .4 would be better
leaden night
Anyway to go back to the original topics
mental sleet
Careful now, you don't want dilo to roll over and die.
Well I do, but I can't be bias here :/
leaden night
Cerato can't hunt Dilos outside of a super close ambush
languid ember
Dilo can take a hit just fine
mental sleet
Doesn't cerato outspeed Dilo atm ?
leaden night
No
languid ember
Nope
leaden night
Not by a long shot
languid ember
They have the same stam but dilo is like 2.something km/h faster
leaden night
Dilo is 39 iirc
languid ember
Nah
leaden night
Anyway 
Rex and Giga could both use damage nerfs along with a health nerf for Triceratops
That's about it
But none of this matters because recode
unborn quail
On terms of the Cerato topic, So long as the lad can survive an allo attack amd bully off dilo/Utah packs as its supposed to, then it'll be fine, and Judging off this, .3 seems like a good middle ground to do so
It can actually flee an allo without dropping dead in a matter of seconds, it can bully a dilo or Utah pack, but isn't immortal to them
Giving the lad an increased ambush duration is probably necessary as well, especially if it isn't getting a speed boost, granted the bleed resistance boost is more important in this case
unborn quail
@worldly phoenix Hit boxes will be resolved once the recode has been complete.
worldly phoenix
outer nebula
@mighty escarp cerato doesnt need a nerf its not very strong to much dinos
mighty escarp
I was trolling