general-feedback-discussion

[jovial moss]

Is dilo venom aconfirmed thing? or just heavily speculated

[brisk mesa]

Imagine if Dilos land enough bites on a Trex that it's bleed will not heal for the forseable future

[unborn quail]

Confirmed

[brisk mesa]

Confirmed

[mental sleet]

it's confirmed.

[umbral prairie]

I think big dilo packs should still be able to kill apexes if they're coordinated, maybe they will do way less bleed since they only bite the legs but maybe the venom will cause the bleed to only heal very slowly.

[barren zephyr]

confirm

[mental sleet]

yeah but that requires a ''damaged'' rex

[jovial moss]

[brisk mesa]

Howso?

[mental sleet]

you shouldn't be able to just run up to one bite him 10 times and watch him die.

[jovial moss]

They should add megalania and give it venom too that'd be cool

[barren zephyr]

I thought the venom would cause more bleeding?

eh i think the killing apexes should be a utah thing with pounce

[brisk mesa]

An anticoagulant stops the body from healing bleed.

[mental sleet]

Utah pounce should not work on apexes.

You cannot do anything to stop a pounce.

[brisk mesa]

David we know it will

That's been confirmed.

[mental sleet]

Find me a link

[unborn quail]

You will though

[umbral prairie]

I think a utah pack with like 12 members should be able to wear down a lone apex if they're coordinated

[unborn quail]

Like it's been said we will have multiple ways to get utahs off

[barren zephyr]

Sadly u will

[brisk mesa]

^^^

[barren zephyr]

i pretty sure dondi said on stream that u would be able to fightback

[mental sleet]

Gdi, I'm hoping its nowhere near as powerful as dilo is rn.

[brisk mesa]

Hell probably even rubbing a utah against a tree

would knock it off.

[unborn quail]

Causing deforestation to get one Pesky Utah boi off

[brisk mesa]

Peel it off against a rock lel

Go for a swim

Spam spacebar to shake that bitch off

[unborn quail]

Bite it if its within your range of motion

[barren zephyr]

Be a good boy n roll over

[brisk mesa]

lol

Either way David, I understand your concerns

You've seen early pounce work on everything

[barren zephyr]

^

[brisk mesa]

and thus know the absolute fuckfest that happened on everything in your mod

[mental sleet]

I am more worried about Dilo's venom than utah's pounce.

Utahs as you said can be fought back.

How do you fight back from venom ?

You don't.

[brisk mesa]

David if anything we'll probably see apex growth time reductions.

[mental sleet]

That scares me even further, look at the current server apex ratios

[barren zephyr]

^

[brisk mesa]

That's due to the broken AI and you know it.

Not a relevant argument to make, time isn't the factor; a game handholding you is

[mental sleet]

I know.

[brisk mesa]

Well then don't bring it to the debate then XD

[mental sleet]

I didn't bring up the timers.

You did oO

[brisk mesa]

Your mentioning the ratio of apexes.

Anyways.

We'll likely see growth time cuts when tribals and humans are in.

[barren zephyr]

the amount of apexes on server is why i dont grow apexes often

[brisk mesa]

shamelessly plugs server in my name

Anyways back to the topic mentioned:

TL:DR

[minor dome]

shit server

[brisk mesa]

No, bleed shouldnt stop logging out.

a) it opens a huge rabbit hole for griefing i;e holding a player hostage in a server
b) it removes the risk from hunting large prey / their way to escape
c) it makes it less fun hunting as a bleeder when your prey has no counterplay
d) if something can stand still for 60 seconds and logout of the game thats on you

[versed blaze]

Am I seriously going to have to mention the no server advertising rule? This is Official, after all....................

[minor dome]

ive changed my mind cool server

[brisk mesa]

IK Bacon, twas more of an oddhand joke at what Scum said

*off

[versed blaze]

Talking about your name.

[brisk mesa]

Ah

Didn't know that was against the rules

[barren zephyr]

I wont be checkin ur server btw🤧

[brisk mesa]

My bad

[pulsar lake]

Okay so if Alberto can have nest because he is a sandbox dino why other have it?

[valid flower]

Sandbox or not its still in the game

Adding a nesting ability takes less than 10 seconds to do

[unborn quail]

Because Alberto's model most likely going to be updated at some point, and with a new model comes a new skeleton, so making a nesting animation for it would be a waist

[south flower]

^^^ That does kind irritate me, adding to Levi’s question. You make a suggestion for something in the game and then people go “It’s sandbox so it’s not important”. Well, yeah, but it’s still a mode of gameplay in The Isle. There’s no harm in making suggestion or talking about sandbox. 😕

Not berating anyone

Just expressing something I’ve noticed since joining the game

[pulsar lake]

True fact : Dondi want Albertosaurus in survival.

But I think, if it will, new model, new animation and new cast will be worked so nesting animation and sandbox won't have one because it will be delated.
But if Alberto won't come back so do a nest for him.

[unborn quail]

Alberto will need it's own animations eventually regardless

It uses recycled sub rex animations which force it to be massive

[waxen elk]

Dondi wants Alberto in survival, but currently there's no point

[paper oriole]

we're already pretty limited on colours, maybe if there was better variety to choose from and more patterns as well that'd work out but right now? ehhhh

[finite perch]

i do think that some colors could benefit from being in the game, but being one-use (rex 3 for example, only on smaller color regions) but making every color one-use only would make a genuine challenge for the design-impaired

esp w. no random button

[hallow vigil]

yeah

just soemthing to prevent skins that are all the same color

maybe like, 2-3 limit

[paper oriole]

when more patterns are added that'd be a nice thing but right now while we only have the same skin on each dino(of its own species) it'd be kinda meh

seeing dinos running around with the exact same spots gets as boring as seeing a bunch of solid dinos

[finite perch]

i think overall it would do more damage than good, it'd homogenize dinosaur palettes however and everyone would look way more same-y than current. most people already use bellies for white and patterns in black, then locking the other two colors to be different would achieve the same effect -- yeah what moisture said

[paper oriole]

as of right now, it's a 'why not both' things while we have such limited options

[finite perch]

HOWEVER... i do think it should be implemented. AFTER patriarch is added because how else are we gonna test genetics

a pure white sucho and a pure black sucho are still possible, and i think thats vital to figure out how the colorwheel works and how it is weighted, if theres a drift, mutation, ect. like how deep the system is

it sort of requires a pure black and pure white in order to test, the highest contrast possible

[paper oriole]

we need a more extended colour selection befor elimiting things like this imo, like they removed so much from the carnivores and even herbis could use more (that both factions should have )

adding limits to the cover that one colour can take would help with the annoying "indoraptor cosplayer" issue that helped lead to carnis losing a lot of selection, but right now it'd just remove even more of the little options we have in creating our dinos

[finite perch]

i feel that simply removing that particular color from that particular region would make more sense, instead of the same palette all the way down

but again 8 types of grey when i see very little grey dinos?

[paper oriole]

they could make certain combos unuseable too to avoid the copyright indoraptor issue and similar

rather than outright removing our options

[finite perch]

^ exactly! i feel the same with rex 3. a parallel color option that is one-time-use-only. then again, food will slightly affect appearance in the future so a redder para/trike color is possible to take rex 3's place

[paper oriole]

i hope for a few more 'pure' colours that too, nothing nasty neon tho of course

mostly just interested in more pattern variations so not every cerato is running around with the same ol spots ets, bring the old skins back with palette select

[finite perch]

aw damn, i would give anything for neon dilos again.

only dilos tho bcuz it makes sense

useless in the day, perfect saturation for night camo

[paper oriole]

some dinos yea, maybe some male crests could also have the option

but no hot pink and red strobe rexes running about(though they'd just be handicapping themselves by doing so anyway)

[finite perch]

i would say specifically dilo only, other dinos it doesn't really make sense to be neon. especially big things and herbivores

dilo being a colorful 'im dangerous even though im small' toxic patterning to warn new players of exactly how much to NOT bite a dilo haphazardly, as well as more enforcing the night hunting aspect with the palette? its very good imo

[paper oriole]

yea the others could just be done with mods when those are a big thing again in the future

the way toxic animals sport vibrant reds, yellows, etc anyway makes dilos a candidate for that, and they're night hunters anyway so it probably wouldn't even handicap them much

well until theyre trying to hide during the day that is

[finite perch]

throwing it into suggestions for a moment, feel free to suggest ur own

but i feel the day should be scary and difficult for dilos

thats the tradeoff for being the best during the hardest time, itd make a true nocturnal creature

[paper oriole]

yea theyre basically the wasps or poison dart frogs with their "leave me alone" colours it's how it is in nature

[finite perch]

OK ABOUT THE COLORBLINDNESS: YES ABSOLUTELY.

its simple things things like "Rex 3 Red" that would help

[paper oriole]

i've made so many skins with a colour identify app that thought would be good and then somebody is like "lol you look like bird poop"

probably cus it doesnt pick colours up form another screen well, such a pain, and so unnecessary lol

[finite perch]

absolutely, i feel like there are some ways The Isle can be a bit more accessible without throwing the difficulty like... at all.

[paper oriole]

yea im fine with dying because i cant see the blue rex hiding in a green bush that's on me, but i'd like to know what colours I am at least!

[finite perch]

yeah!! either way, colorblindness mode didn't change the meta of splatoon, which is a very visual and audio based game just like the isle - but admittedly a bit different in scope. all saturations and colors are the same, just shifted.

[paper oriole]

the colourblind settings on most games ive tried are mostly useless, and it could also put the other player(predator or prey) at a disadvantage if done wrong, labels wouldn't hurt anybody

[finite perch]

OH SHIT FLYING DINOS

i had a conversation with my isle gang

Microraptor, anybody?

[paper oriole]

yess more feather bois

archaeopteryx would make a cool small AI for flying too tho id if it'd be worth the effort of adding

[clever leaf]

@jolly willow dondi said that cerato would never get a proper ambush iirc. Rather would allo get a tad nerf on its ambush duration.

[jolly willow]

That's fair but Allo would still be able to just catch up to cera

well, we'd have to wait until the nerf to see but

As of now an allo player seeing a cera player is basically death for the cera

They'll just use the 44.5 ambush and run you the fuck down

[paper oriole]

i think cera and pachy could both use a buff to their bleed resist in the very least so they stand more of a chance where running isn't an option

both arent very good in that spot rn

[jolly willow]

Cera needs like 1 dilo bite

And it's dead meat

Nerfing the bleed res this hard was a mistake.

[paper oriole]

yea theyre supposed to be the bully of their tier and with such thin skin against bleed they can't really fill that role at all

[jolly willow]

Ehhhh

Cera's not much of a bully.

If it had the res it could bully the shit out of carno (if a cera player is smart rn they can just juke the carno or go into the forest)

Otherwise it's a pretty minor threat to allo and the likes

Sucho is more of a bully

[clever leaf]

Gaining back bleed resistance would fix most the issues

Itd be meant to survive an allo attack then run off as its meant to be faster

[jolly willow]

Ye

IMO I think just give it the bleed res

then we'll see if it has any other troubles

[brisk mesa]

I mean...

It needs more than bleed res if it's invalidated by it's own juvenile.

[jolly willow]

Also

fix the fuckin juv

It was never adjusted

[brisk mesa]

It was actually.

[jolly willow]

really?

[brisk mesa]

It got adjusted with the stat pass

[jolly willow]

why the hell did they do this..

honestly

[languid tundra]

@swift jacinth you mean quezts

[brisk mesa]

For the juvies

They lopped off 110 base dmg

[jolly willow]

jfc

[brisk mesa]

Doesn't mean the juvie doesn't still invalidate the adult

[jolly willow]

Well

So long as they just give the fuckin bleed res

Then it won't be invalidated

thats all it needs

literally just like when dilo needed turn

[brisk mesa]

Lol your kidding me right?

The juvie still outclassed the adult even with less base damage.

The juvie has god tier bleed res, but other things as well.

Superior stamina, like an extra 20 sec runtime (tied with Pachy)

[jolly willow]

Does cera really need more ambush tho

[brisk mesa]

An actually good ambush, still short duration tho

I mean look right...

It does and you know it.

[jolly willow]

Yeah but don said no ambush 🤷

[brisk mesa]

We all know Dondi said 'it traded ambush for general'

YES.

[jolly willow]

Yes

[brisk mesa]

Doesn't mean he's wrong.

[jolly willow]

then what do we do lol

Because they're not gonna be buffing the ambush

At least not without convincing.

[brisk mesa]

If the juvenile is more successful than the adult at being what they said Cerato would be

i;e small tier bully that scavenges

Adult Cerato, in addition to shit bleed res, cannot threaten small tiers.

Because he has a fat chance in hell catching them.

[jolly willow]

Nova summed up everything thats needed

In his suggestion

Now we have to hope the dev gods notice us.

[brisk mesa]

Correction nova, the adult is stronger in damage due to both weight and base...

but juvi has more bleed

👀

Honestly only way we'll get the fixes...

[unborn quail]

I'm aware, that bleed makes up for a good chunk of what juvie cerato loss

[brisk mesa]

is if we show the world juvi Cerato

[unborn quail]

So I left it as is

[brisk mesa]

We must... deploy a legion of the 50 min bastards

[jolly willow]

Please for the love of all that's holy

[unborn quail]

That bleed is disgustingly destructive on juvie cera

[jolly willow]

devs notice that cerato is literally the worst thing in this game

Fix the boy

[brisk mesa]

we must show them the juvie Cerato is better than adult

[unborn quail]

Doubt anything is changing until post recode, and hell, maybe they have made the changes, just staying quiet

[jolly willow]

Doubt on that last part

But we'll see

[brisk mesa]

Yeah IK but imagine this glorious thing Nova.

[unborn quail]

With how some of the main core systems are changing as well, it's hard to sau

[brisk mesa]

We start playing juvie Cera at full size

Enough to where streamers decide to do it.

[unborn quail]

@jolly willow They've done it before, So many times

[brisk mesa]

"Here's a 50min mid tier"

[jolly willow]

they have? 🤔

huh. okay

[unborn quail]

Allosaurus speed buff, Para's buff, Giga and rex changes

[jolly willow]

hmmm

[unborn quail]

People thought they'd never do it, and they snuck them in

[brisk mesa]

If we really wanna get adult Cera's fixes.

[unborn quail]

Like dondi himself memed every Para buff mentioned

[brisk mesa]

We need to show what it's missing

[unborn quail]

Yet it gets buffed

[brisk mesa]

We need to show the world juvie Cerato.

[jolly willow]

loll

[brisk mesa]

No I'm serious.

Juvie Cera is all the adult could ever wanna be.

And it takes 50min to get full ones

Shorter than a bloody UTAH

[unborn quail]

Oh it's disgusting

[jolly willow]

oh god.

[unborn quail]

Like honestly, I'd rather see juvie stats copied and pasted to adult, minus the bleed

[brisk mesa]

lul

[unborn quail]

That bleed gives me Monkas

[brisk mesa]

I didnt know it's that good

[jolly willow]

If they actually just pasted the juvie stats onto adult

That'd actually be perfect

[unborn quail]

Juvie cerato could bleed an allo in three hits back when it could still kill

[brisk mesa]

• some base damage, - bleed

[unborn quail]

It was disgusting

[jolly willow]

Devs

please listen

[brisk mesa]

inb4 they listen by nerfing juvi Cera

[jolly willow]

Just fix the boy

[brisk mesa]

x-x

[jolly willow]

tfw juvi nerfed and both stages are trash now

[unborn quail]

I mean, juvie being nerfed is probably self evident, But If it means a buffed Adult

Then do it

[jolly willow]

I dont think theyd nerf juv without buffing adult

[unborn quail]

Kill the boy

[jolly willow]

Pretty sure by now the devs at least acknowledge/know

that Adult cerato is..

..troubled

[brisk mesa]

"it cant have everything"

[unborn quail]

has nothing

[jolly willow]

BLEASE DEVS

[unborn quail]

Here's an idea

Take Cerato

Instead of pure scavenger, make it a multipurpose Small game ambush predator and scavenger

Aka what the juvie is right now.

[jolly willow]

ye

[brisk mesa]

^^^

Please

gimme

[jolly willow]

Honestly just nerf the juvie and copy paste unnerfed juv stats onto adult

And then adjust the bleed and give more raw

[brisk mesa]

Nova I wanna see if the juvie has that same bleed

[jolly willow]

pppleeasssee

Dude adult ceras bleed

is fucking 8

[brisk mesa]

could you jump into a DM and lemme nibble you

[jolly willow]

It's just

[brisk mesa]

as an Allo

[jolly willow]

so sad

They didnt even fucking

round it to 10

[unborn quail]

Maybe throw in a faster swim speed too so Cerato cn thrive in swamps/rivers and eat possible ai Turtles and juvie deinos

[jolly willow]

YES

[brisk mesa]

^^^

fuck yes

[jolly willow]

YEESSS

[brisk mesa]

Anyways, I wanna see if juvie Cera bleeds an allo in 3 bites if you just stay standing

[unborn quail]

Time to throw in a thought out Cerato suggestion-

And yeah, let me fire up the pc

[paper oriole]

justice for pachy

[jovial moss]

🙏

[jovial moss]

@fathom canopy What's wrong with the suggestion exactly? Pachy is currently extremely unbalanced and unviable right now

[clever leaf]

I'm pretty sure Pachy was supposed to have really good bleed resistance.. or at least that's what I remember hearing right before it got put in. Give it that, though that'd probably warrant it to be a bit slower than Dilo.

but still faster than cerato

[jovial moss]

Exactly

[waxen elk]

Cerato

Is a tragedy

I have multiple complaints tbh

[jovial moss]

Pachy is the worst herbivore and Cerato is the worst carnivore right now

They both need something

[waxen elk]

Allosaurus having just 25 bleed but fucking 300 damage

[clever leaf]

both just need good bleed resistance

though pachys speed would then be a bit excessive at that

[waxen elk]

Where’s the bleed and why is the damage too high

Utahraptor’s healing speed is slow from what i’ve heard

Which makes no sense

[jovial moss]

Pachy should be to small tiers what Diablo is the mid tiers

A threat

not a water balloon ready to pop

[waxen elk]

It shouldn’t be resistant, but it should quickly recover

I mean

Pachy can delete dilo

[jovial moss]

Because its faster

but if it bites you

[misty island]

Umm

[jovial moss]

or if there's two

you won't survive unless they're stupid

[misty island]

Why are ppl comparing cera to allos?

[waxen elk]

????

[misty island]

Isn’t allo supposed to be bigger stronger than ceras?

Everytime I see someone saying allo have this allo have that allos kills cera with ease

And the suggest buff ceras

I mean

[waxen elk]

Yes, but ceratosaurus was mentioned to be a honey badger, can’t facetank and win, but can tank hits and gtfo

[misty island]

Crea can totally run if ur not cocky and try to fight an allo

[waxen elk]

Except any allosaurus with more than 2 functioning braincells will ambush the fucker first

In it’s 12 second ambush bomb

And even then

[clever leaf]

Pachy just needs good bleed resistance (like cerato, of course). This would mean it'd have to be a bit below Dilo in speed though. Even accounting for Dilo's venom supposed to make bleed resistance worse. If that needs countering, you could give locational-based legbreak for Pachy. This could have it punish a Dilo that ain't careful in trying to deal with a Pachy.

[misty island]

Then that goes the same for every other Dino

[waxen elk]

It will outstam it

[misty island]

U get ambushed u have a higher chance of losing

[waxen elk]

You*

Second

Ceratosaurus

Has zero resistance

[misty island]

Ya I know

[waxen elk]

It dies in one hit from an allo just because of bleed

[misty island]

2 bleed res more than para

[waxen elk]

It’s not meant to facetank an allo and win, but it should get instadeleted by it

But nah

“I DONT LIKE ALLOSAURUS NOT BEING UNRIVALED AND SUPERIOR”

[clever leaf]

tbh people act like cerato is bad all-around, but if he just simply got good bleed resistance, that alone would solve so much of its problems and make it viable at a good extent.

[waxen elk]

“LiON oF tHE JuraSSIC”

That’s all it needs

Cerato just needs his fucking bleed res

[clever leaf]

if you ask me, cerato could use resistance to dilo venom even whenever that shit exists

[misty island]

The why are people trying to buff the entire things speed ambush bite force and bleed red

I don’t get that

[waxen elk]

?????

What

Where

when?

[misty island]

Just spam buff bleed res everyday lmfao

[waxen elk]

No one has said anything about biteforce

It’s ambush is shit too

Bleed res is actually tragic

[misty island]

I remember someone saying buff it’s raw damaged

And buff it’s ambus

[jovial moss]

When you play pachy a lot, you see how weird the balance is compared to other dinosaurs. Bone break would be great but until it's changed nothing else will get bone break. A buff in mass and hp would be good for it to take over the tank class of the smaller dinosaurs, make it more resistant to hits and thus makes it more challenging and fun for small tiers, and can give mid tiers some pressure as well. But for soemthing with the slowest trot speed of all dinos you'd think it'd be better at regenerating stamina when doing so, plus the swim stamina is just atrocious and makes no sense whatsoever

[misty island]

I mean if it’s ambush is gonna get buff dev is gonna nerf ceras normal speed

[clever leaf]

lmao i aint expecting an ambush buff

considering what i heard

[waxen elk]

Ambush buff isn’t happening

B l e e d. R e s i s t a n c e

[clever leaf]

Considering how much it's been requested, im expecting it to happen after the recode. It's like when we constantly asked for dilo to get a turn buff and he actually got it.

cerato bleed resistance buff, i mean

[misty island]

Then ppl should stop asking for more than it needs lmfao

[clever leaf]

exactly

and going as far as saying they "miss" cerato rex

literally just because of a stat that current cerato is lacking that he needs

[waxen elk]

Fuck ceratorex

I never even got to adult

Starves in 20 minutes

why don’t apexes starve this fast

[clever leaf]

just died to gigas

iirc

[waxen elk]

fucking AI making apex fiesta

[clever leaf]

LMAO ceratorex would be even worse in this current state because of the overtuned damage that giga does

and it'd just be a worse sucho

[waxen elk]

Giganotosaurus

700 n

yeET

Be Giga
Mid tier
Ambush
One shot
Instant max bleed and third screen
”Bleeder”
Blade teeth not motorsaw teeth

[misty island]

I mean if u get ambushed by an apex

U probly deserved it

U either are too loud in game or u have pay enough attention

[unborn quail]

Ambush has nothing to do with it

[misty island]

Like who the fuck couldn’t see an apex coming in

[waxen elk]

God i hate this “u” trend

[unborn quail]

Giga is untouchable

[waxen elk]

It’s not about not seeing the fucker

[unborn quail]

Even rex can die to mid tiers

Giga can't

[waxen elk]

It’s about Giga being untouchable

[clever leaf]

Giga doing this much base damage is counterproductive when its more oriented towards bleeding than raw damage

[waxen elk]

I mean it was buffed because of Rex iirc

[unborn quail]

Yet the raw damage isnt what kills rex

Its the bleed

[clever leaf]

honestly giga isn't even meant to fight rex

[waxen elk]

Nu

Gigantsr shud kil reckz

[misty island]

Try suggesting nerfing giga raw bn

My point is

If an apex can’t touch you

[waxen elk]

Yeah i get it

[misty island]

You don’t need to care how much dmg it does

Just balance them in a different level

[waxen elk]

If you get ambushed by a Giga you got it deserved

But

One shot is doom

[misty island]

So is rex

As a matter of fact

[waxen elk]

Tyrannosaurus has shit turn and runs for 33 seconds

[misty island]

If u get fired by a trike as an allo

[waxen elk]

Its trot is also stupid slow

[misty island]

U would die

If u don’t trot away

[unborn quail]

Differences between those two and giga is things can actually kill them

[waxen elk]

Yep

[unborn quail]

Rex has a slow alt turn, a pack can abuse that

[waxen elk]

Waste it’s stam and ambush into it

You need multiple members

And bleed

[misty island]

So

[unborn quail]

An allo can survive a trike hit, smaller things can out maneuver it

[misty island]

You are suggesting

[clever leaf]

If an allo can survive a trike hit it should survive one giga bite tbh

[misty island]

The game should let everything to have a chance in killing the three supposedly apex in the game ?

[waxen elk]

Giga just needs to be stationary

No

But a pack of 8 allos shouldn’t be a easy snack fodder item to a Giganotosaurus

Even tho said pack of 8 CAN kill trikes and rexes

[clever leaf]

rex doesn't completely fodderize mid-tier packs, so there's no reason for giga to do so either

[misty island]

But giga cannot facetank two of the three apex

Giga is actually the only apex in game fitting the term apex

[clever leaf]

irrelevant to this discussion

[misty island]

Ur not supposed to fight apex as an apex but to be able to hunt anything smaller weaker then u

[unborn quail]

Except Giga can absolutely obliterate the other apexes quite easily

[clever leaf]

Yeah

Giga can actually cheese it with Trike

[unborn quail]

Two bites to bleed a rex, three for a trike

And their done

[clever leaf]

Bleed fucks trike

[unborn quail]

Nothing they can do

[clever leaf]

And you can trade hits because giga can easily handle bleed

[misty island]

1v1 giga as Rex giga can do nothing w

[clever leaf]

You wanna know the ironic thing?

[misty island]

Ya he bites me twice

[clever leaf]

Giga can hunt Trike better than Rex can

[misty island]

I ama safe log when crouching

Try me

^is true tho

[clever leaf]

if you ambush a rex as a giga

you've pretty much got it fucked

[misty island]

Well ya

But like I said who ever got ambushed

Is supposed to get fucked

[clever leaf]

so much for "giga can do nothing" in 1v1

[jolly willow]

giga was never really meant to be a rival to rex, no?

it's an entirely different beast

a better hunter, hunting sauropods like camara and brach

i'd assume spino would be the real "rex rival"

on the topic of it being absolutely immune to midtiers tho

tone down the alt turn

not as awful as rexes, but just enough so mids can properly hunt it

and it's not just.. immune

[misty island]

^

[desert prairie]

Herding buff

not a bad idea

[barren zephyr]

Trike herding buff could be faster bleed heal when resting and stackable bleed resist and stamina buff.

I've been playing Rex past 2 weeks and I can say that Giga will destroy a Rex if he ever gets behind a Rex or the Giga gets away from the Rex after biting 2-3 times. Rex will be at 3rd/4th stage of damage until he heals off the bleed. Not to mention Giga will not let Rex sit down and heal.

And yeah, Rex only wins on this situation if he gets a bonebreak.

[misty island]

YES PACKING HERDING BUFF

5Rex stack damage 2%each

10% damage increases

No more two shotting dibbles

No more letting them trike tank u for 13 times

Time to do some real damage

@barren zephyr u said u ve played Rex for the past week tell me this

Rex Got bitten 1 st

Assumed u got ambushed

[barren zephyr]

Dude

[misty island]

Then Rex crouch

Starting to safe log

So question

[barren zephyr]

If a rex gets first bite, rex wins at 75%

[misty island]

Would the giga dare to come in

[barren zephyr]

No he wont

it's why he will always catch him off guard

[misty island]

Exactly

So if Rex is smart

[barren zephyr]

or do reckless charge to gamble 75%

[misty island]

Even if he got ambushed the first hit

He can always live

You see what I mean ?

[barren zephyr]

No

Cause 2-3 bites Giga can stay in safe distance

to wait for Rex to heal the bleed and just finish him

[misty island]

And Rex can crouch safelog while giga won’t dare to comin

[barren zephyr]

Rex takes 10% max health damage per minute

on max bleed

[cyan flame]

Depends on the area Fragon

[barren zephyr]

If he safelogs while being in combat and bleeding he is a pussy

[cyan flame]

If you're in an open area, just circle the rex

[misty island]

Ofcause we talking about smart cookies knowing how to use cliffs and rocks and such

Not on a flat as fuck dv go rug for

Ground

[cyan flame]

xD

[barren zephyr]

Thats assuming Rex knows that there is a giga

Only situation where Giga wins if he gets behind without Rex being aware

Or Rex gets unlucky first bite and Giga is behind

[misty island]

Even if Rex got ambushed

Rex got bitten two bits

Giga has to use a minute or so to let rex bleed

And during that time no giga dares to close in on Rex

[barren zephyr]

Minute isn't enough

[misty island]

And Rex can safe log

[barren zephyr]

He needs to wait atleast 8 minutes

Thats why people don't bother with official

[misty island]

That’s what I am saying omg

[barren zephyr]

cause people combat log

[misty island]

Lmfao

Oh u not talking. Bout official

Okay

[jagged socket]

What the link to isla nycta?

Can’t find a good one

[barren zephyr]

You need to be a sad excuse of a player to combat log while bleeding

And the giga could already consider it a win

if rex combat logs like a pansy

[jagged socket]

Anyone??

[spiral pond]

Utah rock was also a great place for everything on map being there

With packs of apexes

That don’t need to hunt players

Thanks to how ai works

[barren zephyr]

utah rock was fine, probably devs didn't like the campy nature that most Utah players were going for

[rotund tartan]

there are 2 types of people ... hunters and nesters

at one point people would go and just kill the nesters

[shell willow]

which is sad because they weren't really doing anything wrong, just raising babies to adulthood so they can be functioning members of the pack (if they were one of the actual functioning ones)

[paper crag]

Functional families that's funny

Functional packs are hard to do since your log out point cant change to match the pack location should they move while your offline

[shell willow]

Bro I don't even understand your suggestion

Are you asking basically for waypoints so you can just respawn at a nest?

[paper crag]

If I die and I made a nest I would like to be able to spawn there not some random place

What I would really like would to be able to hatch AI that if I die I could swap to control or even swap at will

This would give a reason and progression system for nesting

[shell willow]

The AI part sounds cool and interesting, like a more useful part to nesting, but it would almost totally invalidate nesting real players in. The respawn method sounds cheaty, like a way out of travel. It would certainly be convenient, but overall using a nest point as a point to respawn as a random dino just sounds really abuseable.

[barren zephyr]

Developers decided no fix spawns cause people exploited it

[paper crag]

Not random it would be the dino that you used to make it

[barren zephyr]

like people would constantly suicide all the time

to gather up bodies

[shell willow]

Either way it can be really abuseable @paper crag. You could have a friend camp the spawn, kill you every time you respawn to stack up a pile of bodies, and then you'd basically have an unlimited food source for as long as it would take to grow.

[barren zephyr]

It was like that

before they fixed it

[paper crag]

I would love to maybe get a Simi fix spawn then , because if I'm with some friends I'd like to be able get to my friends without 100 suicides or 3 hours of walking

[shell willow]

Right now, all you can hope for is more spawn points, not fixed ones. More variety in where you spawn could cut down travel time but if it's totally random it would mean possibly more suicides to get where you want to be.

Either way, the whole nest spawn thing is super abuseable, it's been abused before, hence why it doesn't exist now, and it's just not a great idea when you think about it.

[paper crag]

That's why I was thinking the nesting idea you have to plan it out

Baby dinos cant feed well

[shell willow]

there's no planning to it though?

how would that even work

[paper crag]

You grow up and make a nest in a safe place

If you die you can come back to the nest

[shell willow]

you just place a nest and boom, fast food restaurant AND an infinite amount of babies you can switch to every time you die

[paper crag]

Or take over the baby dino at your nest

[shell willow]

there would have to be a MASSIVE cooldown on switching dinos like that, and placing nests

[paper crag]

Not really if the nest breaks at spawn

[shell willow]

Then what's the point of nesting players?

[paper crag]

The new nest would have to wait for you to grow to sub again

[shell willow]

You're respawning at the expense of the people who are actually trying to be nested in and raised to adulthood

If the nest breaks on respawn, then all the food stored in it goes poof, and the babies can't eat, and most likely starve

[paper crag]

Player group building still would work

[shell willow]

But then again, they would then have to travel 3 hours like you said or suicide 100 times

[paper crag]

I said your nest not a random nest

[shell willow]

I know what you said

[paper crag]

So you make your nest and you can spawn back there if you die or fert eggs and player nest in

[shell willow]

but if YOU have babies, and the babies need the food stored in the nest (actual players who want to grow), you're taking away the nest and the food because you don't feel like travelling a little while

[paper crag]

You cant bring a player to a nest if it's not a fert egg

[shell willow]

I'm talking about players who already have hatchlings that need the nest to survive

[paper crag]

How?

There is 2 nest types

1 unfertilized eggs only the layer can spawn

Fert eggs player invite spawn

[misty island]

Lmfao

[shell willow]

Yes, but what about babies that are already hatched from the fertilized eggs? Babies that rely on the food stored in the nest to survive? If the nest breaks while the babies are hungry, you're respawning at their expense

[misty island]

I don’t see how it is abusable

Dude said spawning as ai that he hatched

[paper crag]

You cant hold everyone's hand there can be some risk

[misty island]

All the dev had to put as a safety lock is either lock the hatchling growth

Or cap the number of hatchling at once

So the entire *suicide to stack up body is no where to begin with

[shell willow]

Because that was earlier and unrelated to the AI part

[paper crag]

Right bc you had to be a sub to make the 1st nest

[shell willow]

I'm fine with the idea of hatching ai

But my problem is where he's saying to use your nest as a spawn point

[paper crag]

It's a way to allow single players to still use the system

[misty island]

Ya that is gonna work too

You need to be sub

To incubate eggs

[paper crag]

You cant build the nest and suicide bodysuits to feed a baby

[misty island]

Everytime you die you use 1 egg

Or all the eggs

Then you have to be at least sub again to incubate then fertilise them

How would that

Oh

Stack body up

[paper crag]

And if your a baby at a nest that dont have food in it your in a bad place

[shell willow]

We aren't talking about stacking bodies up here

That was earlier

[misty island]

Then what is the problem you mentioned about

Using the nest you built with fertilised eggs as spawning point

[shell willow]

You only place nests where you think is safe right? Most of the time, safe isn't an option, and if you die to something nearby your nest, would you really want to respawn at your nest to try growing in the face of danger? If random people were to find your nest, they would know that someone could spawn there, and just munch you on the spot as well. It's not really being abused that way, but it's still highly inconvenient.
If you use fertilized eggs as a means to respawn yourself, you would need there to be a male AND a female at the nest to fertilize and lay them before you die to respawn. That's another inconvenience. If you don't have both genders before the eggs are laid, you can't respawn yourself anyway, so solo dinos can't respawn themselves.

[misty island]

No one said it’s gonna be op and super convenient

It is a mere way of utilising the nest

[paper crag]

And if someone finds your nest that is a risk you need to take

[misty island]

Which would provide a way for a player to make use of the nest when there’s no one taking the eggs

And for the whole camping the nest thing

Ur gonna be a hatchling

U don’t lose anything even u die again

And the fertilised part

It is how it is

[shell willow]

If you have fertilized eggs ready for you to hatch from, then fine, you can justify that because at one point there was some effort put into making them. However, unfertilized eggs would pose 0 use whatsoever simply because dinos (and all living things) have never come from pure unfertilized eggs. If you're a female, you have to find a male to make a nest and fertilize your eggs. If you're a male, you can't make eggs or a nest yourself, so the entire idea invalidates being a male even more, even with the idea of being able to fertilize eggs.

[misty island]

No one said using unfertilised eggs

[shell willow]

Solo males can't respawn themselves without a female partner, so it's a really one-sided benefit

[misty island]

You know

[shell willow]

You only get the benefit out of being a female, like how it is at the moment with even the ability to have babies at all

[misty island]

Under the nesting interface

There are two slots

For both father and mothers

So

Tada

[shell willow]

Yes, it says Matriarch and Patriarch, I know, but they aren't slots, they're usernames. It's a display.

[misty island]

Lmfao

It means they are the owner of the nest

[paper crag]

Dont forget this is a game bot a real life simulator

[misty island]

Use that as a link where the nest can be used to respawn it’s owners

How hard is that to understand omgggggggg

Ok if you argue about it is a display one more time

I ama ignore you and move on

[shell willow]

Fragon, I'm not disagreeing entirely with the idea. I'm fine with hatching AI's that you can switch to with a cooldown. I don't care, I don't see that as being very abuseable as of now. However, using it as a way to just respawn wherever you want is a problem for me because it's based on impatience in a game based around time.

[misty island]

Ok

I don’t think it is as anytime

If it is at anytime

It is a usable

Abusable

It’s most likely to have an extra option to respawn at ur nest after you die

And you start as a hatchling

[shell willow]

And @paper crag, just because it's a game doesn't exclude it from some realistic qualities. The game has relatively accurate models and scenery, sounds, hell, even IK and other aesthetic features made to make the game look pretty interesting and real enough to be immersive. At the moment, it is a simulator. Just not the world's most accurate one.

[misty island]

It’s not a simulator

Apparently

It’s a survival horror game

[shell willow]

What does it have that doesn't make it a simulator as of the current time.

If you would actually read what I said...

[misty island]

Lmfao

I was quoting some cunt

Who told me this is not a dinosaur game

this is a survival horror game *its not a Dino game *

Get fucked

But no

[shell willow]

wow who tf says that about a game full of dinosaurs

smh

[misty island]

Elaborate it’s a problem for you because it is based on impatience in a game based around time

[barren zephyr]

whats so scary about the isle that earns it horror survival game lmao.
strains look cool instead of being scary

[misty island]

@barren zephyr it’s ur hour to shine bro

[shell willow]

In this game, you have to be patient with growth times and the time that passes for it to go from day to night and vice versa, you have to wait for most things and be patient with them. The idea is that you can make things infinitely convenient with the click of a button simply because someone doesn't have the patience to walk 30 minutes to an hour when they could just teleport anywhere they placed a nest.

[misty island]

Tell these ppl why this is a survival horror game

And not a Dino game

Lmfao ignore me

That was uncalled for

[barren zephyr]

Probably when some humans gonna run around in the dark night with no night vision and full of dinos with night visions and rely flares and flashlights

would turn it into a horror game

[misty island]

But isnt that the same as you nesting people?
You start out in a nest you trade extra 30minutes for a “safe” location to start with

Moreover

What you are saying now is based on the current spawning system

Which is said it would be changed

The one we using now is only temporary

[paper crag]

It's not a dino game it's just a black market hunting game that uses player as a way to make a challenging AI quickly this has nothing to do with the nesting thing just that quote

[shell willow]

Essentially yes but at least the people you're nesting in aren't you. You're nesting in different players, you're offering an advantage to them after you've spent time incubating and gestating eggs, filling the nest, etc

[misty island]

Well you are using an egg

[shell willow]

Offering that to yourself isn't the same imo

[misty island]

Which you incubated

And if you nest in ur own nest

You will have to suffer the fact you have to raise yourself

[barren zephyr]

I honestly don't know

how they will make it work

With dinos vs humans part

[misty island]

You may not have a parent

The risk is just as great but in a different aspect

[paper crag]

And if you didnt feed the nest it will be hard to raise yourself for that 30 min

[shell willow]

The idea in itself invalidates being a male (even more so than the current game), invalidates nesting players in (because why have someone else nest you when you can travel a bit and then do it yourself), gives this advantage to everyone that promotes them to sit in one place incubating eggs all the time "just in case". Herbivore migrations will stop happening as frequently (or herbivores just won't find any use in nesting at all because food will just run out as soon as they nest themselves in).

[misty island]

Dude

Recode

Do you think if this is gonna be added

Would it be before or after the recode

[barren zephyr]

Male banging female seems pretty simple mechanic

[shell willow]

Also hatchling growth time does vary from dino to dino, so for some it's longer than 30 minutes and some it's shorter than 30 minutes. If you don't fill the nest because you don't know how long the hatchling growth time is for the dino you're playing, you could screw yourself over by accident.

[misty island]

They said after recode it’s gonna change the fact you can nest ppl with only females

U will need both gender

[barren zephyr]

Like beasts of bermuda have it

and it's just

popup screen

mate request

[shell willow]

I'm talking about with current mechanics, I've never said anything about the recode because it hasn't happened yet and we don't know what to expect other than the most basic common-sense shit.

[barren zephyr]

press yes

you can lay eggs now

woaah

[misty island]

.....

Yes you are right

You are suggesting everything based on current game build

[barren zephyr]

idk why it's so complicated

[misty island]

Moving on

[barren zephyr]

Like the nest even says patriarch

[misty island]

Cave

Shh

Lamb

[barren zephyr]

female can just just invite patriarch

[misty island]

We moving on

[barren zephyr]

sit on nest

[misty island]

Cave

[barren zephyr]

can now lay eggs

done

[shell willow]

Caves are a yes, that is very cash money of you @barren zephyr

[misty island]

Yes I like caves

Cave is good

Okay but stop saying. It’s from other games

Dondi hates it apparently

[barren zephyr]

Caves would make dilos

like vampires

they go to the caves during the day time

[shell willow]

Advanced cave tunnel systems even, that are winding and dark, pretty much any dino not adapted to night time would have one hell of a life in there

[barren zephyr]

It's a perfect staple for a horror game

[misty island]

YES BUMPY CAVES

[barren zephyr]

spooky dark caves

[misty island]

APEX KILLERS

It’s so bumpy an apex will die walking in it

[barren zephyr]

Also they could make broadcasts echo in caves and go further to entrances

[misty island]

Yes

And

Human will take over caves

[shell willow]

apexes would get bottlenecked in thin-tunneled areas, they couldn't turn around very well and it's perfect hunting grounds for dilos during the day

[misty island]

And

Set up heavy machines guns at the entrance

And rule that place forever

[barren zephyr]

If humans have flamethrowers they would work best in caves

[misty island]

Gg

[barren zephyr]

burning could work like bleed

[shell willow]

human: let's put machine guns here to protect our caves
human 2: ok
human 2: points gun facing the inside of the cave and blasts everything inside

[barren zephyr]

i hope the human weapons are original and futuristic looking

[misty island]

I hope no humans will ever come into the isle

Lmfao

We have enough Dino shooting games

[barren zephyr]

Nah, lot of the structures look pretty modern 90- current day tech

also the catapillar and trucks

i hope humans come to the isle.
it really gets boring playing as a dino

[shell willow]

I'm almost 99% positive they confirmed that humans would be toggleable in server customization, so people could have dinos-only server

[misty island]

Look at the docks

It’s literally what we are using rn

And the building method

[barren zephyr]

The map is huge

[misty island]

So ya as lamb said

[barren zephyr]

will take humans forever to travel

without vehicles

[misty island]

90-2010

[barren zephyr]

nah map needs to be bigger

atleast 3x

Also all the rocks and trees + no roads

[misty island]

Bigger map

[barren zephyr]

good luck not getting stuck

[misty island]

YES

[barren zephyr]

or flipping your car

[misty island]

Bigger

[barren zephyr]

vehicles make the map smaller

[misty island]

The better

Fuck the humans

BIGGER MAP BIGGER HUNTING GROUD FOR MY REXS

[paper crag]

I personally love thinking this is inspired by JPLS the book and the humans abandon the place and the self sufficient bases are still running

[shell willow]

There obviously needs to be some kind of highly advanced weaponry against dinos and the other monstrosities, something that the rest of the planet hasn't seen, and I'd be fine with that because fuCK!!

[barren zephyr]

Would be cool if humans would make the map more dynamic

activating fences, flooding the dam

etc

game needs more slots.
dino gameplay is fucking boring.

[shell willow]

f,,, flooding the dam,,??

oh god

[barren zephyr]

no progress and 0 skill

[shell willow]

0 skill

[barren zephyr]

They could artificially raise the water level

by opening the dam

lol

[shell willow]

ok this is getting off topic for suggestions

[barren zephyr]

aka the dam at titan could flood all of east swamp

Same idea with aviary

they could stop the water flooding from it

and stop some rivers

In a way they could dynamically control some areas so it would make dinos leave.

Just an idea

[paper crag]

I dont like the humans being able to control where my food will show up

Lol nice mechanic none the less

[barren zephyr]

Then you eat them

or stop them taking control key places

Else human gameplay will be kinda boring if it's easy for them to survive

[paper crag]

Capture the flag how will a dino open the dam if its closed?

[barren zephyr]

idk how it works but if raptors can open doors

they could probably break stuff

etc raptors break shit, humans have no power

human come and fix power

[paper crag]

What if when its closed it's on a timer to auto open so if they die it will come back

[barren zephyr]

Human goal would be pretty much try to secure the island

establish power

and communication

then secure containment

like doing those dynamic events

[misty island]

Lmfao

[barren zephyr]

like opening the dam to flood areas making them hard to access

etc

idk

[misty island]

Raptor turning off power

[barren zephyr]

Would be better than a generic shooting game

[misty island]

Ok that’s weird

And off topic

Moving on

[barren zephyr]

Raptors have some form of intelligence idk, maybe the machine makes too much sound or the lights prevent them from hunting effectively

[misty island]

Right I wanna talk about the raptor rock

[shell willow]

#401464048610312195

[misty island]

That was suggested earlier

[shell willow]

mmmk

[misty island]

Lmfao

This dude

[shell willow]

man why you gotta talk about me while I'm watching

[paper crag]

Think Raptors being able to toggle the dam would make Raptors to depend upon

[misty island]

Right do u guys really want it back ???

[shell willow]

no not really

[misty island]

Ya same....

[paper crag]

What's wrong with it

[misty island]

I don’t understand why ppl want it back

[shell willow]

I'm mostly glad it's gone, the raptors up there treated it badly and it could have actually been a good spot had they not abused it so goddamn bad

[misty island]

It’s safe zone for raptors that allows them to make nest

[paper crag]

A place where multiple Raptors meet up like in jp3

[barren zephyr]

raptor rock had good plains

[misty island]

So what happen is 10-20 raptor would hang around there

[barren zephyr]

map lacks plains

and some interaction

[misty island]

And hence shit load of ai hence tons of apex

[barren zephyr]

man i miss herbi rock plains so much

[misty island]

And basically becomes the centre of the map

And no one goes anywhere

[barren zephyr]

There are lot of plain areas but they are mostly emply wasteland and not between routes that people walk

that was the greatest plain

[misty island]

Ppl would just grow at the edge of the map and go to raptor rock to kill or be killed

[paper crag]

Ahh I understand that

[misty island]

Basically ruined the entire

[barren zephyr]

idk

[misty island]

Survival testing environment

[barren zephyr]

its still the same

now it's twins or greatfalls or trike mountain

[misty island]

Ya

Twins and the new herbi hill is kinda the same now

[barren zephyr]

The area near cargo pond

is pretty good

like 30 bushes

[shell willow]

lune's deep is the place to go for growing a trike for some reason, I go up there and nothing is ever there

but there are like hundreds of bushes

only downside is that it's on the opposite side of the mountain used for growing apexes too

it's just growth mountain over there

needs to be fixed

[barren zephyr]

not really, it just encourages bigger herds

and people mostly just stick to popular places

[misty island]

Where is

Lunes deep ??

[shell willow]

I wonder why I should tell you

[misty island]

Lmfao

Cus u would be an ass if u don’t

Besides

[native vale]

It's probably somewhere behind the big river system. Always find growing trikes or apexes there - good snacks.

[shell willow]

I think you've already concluded that I've been an ass this whole time

[misty island]

U will lose a person talking to you

[paper crag]

What I would like to see for herbs is something like this to keep them moving, think of the map as a big bike wheel is on it that spins and where the spokes are is where food will spawn

Keeps herbs moving

[shell willow]

^

[misty island]

Cuz he would lose track of what ur talking about

[shell willow]

The only thing keeping them moving is massive apex packs and loss of food, I'd like to see something affinity based that makes their affinity drop after being in one area too long

idk

[misty island]

Lmfao u have to stay within rage with 10 bushes to stay healthy

That would be cool

And annoying @

[shell willow]

also fragon I actually couldn't care any less if you stopped talking to me

keep it on topic pls

[paper crag]

Children let's be nice I know I may have missed something when I was eating but come on

[shell willow]

y'all already know they're watchin us

[paper crag]

But with the bushes carnies should be able to trample them and they should also despawn to keep people moving

[shell willow]

Bushes should also not just spawn randomly on the map, they should have specific spawn points that regenerate after they've been eaten, not spawn like ai when herbis get hungry.

That would probably promote migration.

[paper crag]

They are working on a spawn zone atm they are not random they are fixed but a random despawn timer

[shell willow]

Ah

From what I've experienced, there are big zones where more bushes will spawn, but they spawn like AI when herbis get hungry, but they're random in the zones

I'm sure it's not like that for real but that's almost exactly what it feels like

[paper crag]

At least that's what I read unless it was an old post

[misty island]

Bushes are fix spawns

They spawns after server reset everyday

[paper crag]

Ok then it's not an old post yet lol

[misty island]

^

Moving on

[paper crag]

Here I have a great idea, I would love the dev's to post update notes in the announcement channel and move the live feed videos to a different place

[misty island]

#announcements

Punch explained why it is happening like the way it is now

[paper crag]

I cant get any link to work it all takes me to live stream closed page on twitch

And I dont have twitch

[paper crag]

I would love there to be some type of protection from groups team killing on pack hunts let's be honest it can be a pain, I was atleast a rex with from the sub rex that attacked an AI and it killed me

He was even in my group

[clear turret]

no

[shell willow]

Use coordination

[fathom canopy]

@jovial moss why does pachy need a buff? It’s tier 3 and it fits well in tier 3, it can do massive damage to Utah’s, Dilos, and other Pachys. The pachy model makes it look fat so make it slower than a dilo, but since it’s fat it needs more health. Bleed resistance needs a tad buff but overall it should be low.

[jovial moss]

It does damage, but it does not survive against anything with teeth that is the problem

It isn't a threat when you can just bite it and be done

[leaden night]

Pachy in general needs a rework

[jovial moss]

^

[leaden night]

As of now it's just a slower, weaker and longer taking to grow Maia

[jovial moss]

Right now it is just galli but it can't out maneuver or outspeed its enemies

[leaden night]

That takes 7x longer to heal

[jovial moss]

Yeah

The only thing going for it is its damage but thats not enough to survive against its main predators

or any predators

[leaden night]

Pachy isn't beefy enough to deserve the poor healing it has

[misty island]

And I believe pachy are the only Dino except dryo that can’t cross the land bridge ?

[leaden night]

Yes Pachy is also extremely hydrophobic

[jovial moss]

Pachy can cross it I have tested it, but it gets to 3rd screen while doing so -_-

[misty island]

Lmfao

Rip

[jovial moss]

there's just so much wrong with it idk why people are against buffing it and making it difficult to hunt

[misty island]

I can cross with fresh juvi Rex

[jovial moss]

utahs are literally the worst for pachies

[misty island]

That’s sad

[jovial moss]

just bite and run

[misty island]

Well

Dondi like pachy

[leaden night]

Utah has it's own problems healing wise

[misty island]

So they would probly buff it after

[fathom canopy]

It’s because if it’s too fast and too beefy and too strong, it’s op

[jovial moss]

It's not op........

[misty island]

It’s not beefy

Not op

It’s just a herbi version of dilo

[fathom canopy]

Your saying that adding bleed resistance to it. It’s gonna make it op

[leaden night]

Pachy is literally a worse Maia that takes longer to grow

[misty island]

Minis the bleed

Which renders it useless

In most cases

[leaden night]

Maia completely invalidates Pachy as an animal

[fathom canopy]

That’s because Maia is op in the fact that it has a shit ton of Stam that’s a whole other argument

[leaden night]

I'm completely fine with trading speed for bleed res though

[jovial moss]

Did you read my suggestion??? I put in a speed decrease just so that it doesn't outspeed the other small tiers

[misty island]

Mmmm

Maia is a bit strong tbh

[leaden night]

38km/h is perfect

[misty island]

But I mean

It’s good where it is

Doesn’t need to be touched

[fathom canopy]

It’s a tier 3 not 4

[misty island]

Just balance the others and maias will be fine

Get rid of ur tiers mindset

[fathom canopy]

If anything all pachy needs is bone break and we will have to wait and see

[misty island]

It’s no longer in survival mode

[jovial moss]

Herbivores deserve to be able to hold their ground.

They shouldn't be walking happy meals for carnivores

[misty island]

Well

They should add momentum to more herbis

Give them higher running speed

[fathom canopy]

Bone break will help that, a Utah will not be able to tanknone hit from a pachy then bite it 2 or 3 times then run away knowing it will die

[misty island]

But requires them longer to start up

So when they get ambushed they die

But they can out run things

[fathom canopy]

That’s the thing hadrosaurs to my knowledge didn’t have good stamina

[misty island]

Or they can out run smaller carnivores but taking a few hits

[fathom canopy]

They could run but just no stam

[misty island]

In general referring to the herbi “hold their ground “ comment

They are herbis not killing machines like carnivores

[fathom canopy]

Some herbivores should just run away 🤷

[leaden night]

Anyway the Pachy activist's proposal is great

[jovial moss]

I wouldn't even mind a damage decrease to 300 if pachy gets its bone break but it really needs something, I'm just sad that it's gone this long without getting anything other than a jump it can barely use

[fathom canopy]

^

[misty island]

If it has bone break the scaling to weight to be increased

But has a max cap at certain weight difference

Really don’t think a pachy can bone break a giga or smthing

[leaden night]

Anyway, Pachy Rights man had a near perfect stat rework for Pachy

[jovial moss]

Thank you Ditto 😃

[leaden night]

Dropping it's speed to 38 means it's slower than Dilo

And the increased res and healing make it as beefy as it should be combined with the health and weight

[fathom canopy]

It also means it’s slower than a Alberto

[misty island]

Welp I only care if my rex can still hunt them

That’s all I care

Lmao

[leaden night]

Alberto is irrelevant to Official balance

[misty island]

What is a Alberto

[fathom canopy]

True I guess

[leaden night]

Unless it gets it's survival rework

[misty island]

I only play on official