Kind of weird and sad :c
#general-feedback-discussion
heavy citrus
@sick panther your friend is lazy
^ not ment in a rude way just rather a little fun teasing joke
sage helm
@sick panther i think he is just saying it wont only be asian players on that server just because it has an asian name
And @misty island calling it a mafia is not referring to an irl mafia it refers to the packs that go around killing people for fun
radiant pasture
Why dont people like the idea of reducing the grow times? just curious
outer nebula
because its too easy to grow certain dinosaurs right now
jovial blade
Yep
sage helm
^
jovial blade
You can afk grow half the time
outer nebula
and food appears no matter what so yeah i rather they increase the time
sage helm
^
radiant pasture
You dont mind spending that kind of time waiting tho? man, i dont like the afk waiting much but maybe thats just me
wintry cipher
The problem is afk growing gives a distinct adv because your not moving and thus less likely to be found
paper crag
Lol didnt think to try that , now we need uber eats in game so I can order meat for my rex 🤔
barren zephyr
@sage juniper People always come back, don't worry ^^
sage juniper
sick panther
My friend just doesn't want to sit there and wait at 1.0 before he can hit the growth button.
teal grotto
@barren zephyr you know that sort of thing is not actually true right?
barren zephyr
what
teal grotto
AI limit that can spawn is 100 AI for carnis so if 100 AI spawns in 1 place the carnis that are starving can't eat and will starve to death
teal grotto
150 users no ais never will spawn
barren zephyr
i played on a 170/200 server
had a fucking ava delivered to me on a plate with a taco
ai spawns are easy as hell
teal grotto
That's telling me that there is more herbis then carnis
barren zephyr
theres no limit where did you get that false info
teal grotto
In game code
barren zephyr
play on pangea or a server with 200 ppl
teal grotto
Aka the settings for the server
barren zephyr
if you dont find ai i feel sad for u
teal grotto
I was at a place no one can be bothered to go to
barren zephyr
ai spawns easy
teal grotto
Not a single AI would spawn
Because there is over 80 players online
As each hungry carnivore spawns 2 ai
barren zephyr
augh u sound like ur bad at the game or dont have local sound thingy, sorry
barren zephyr
i afked trough a 150 server with ai spawning on me the data u have is wrong
teal grotto
If your under 70% hunger AI will spawn for the player
Who is hungry
People use this data to hunt other carnis
So if your spawning AI another carni who hunts other people will use that to hunt you down
So lessen don't let your hunger reach under 70
So if you nerf the spawning the players will starve to death as V3 is super massive
So Mr EZ
coarse shell
the config for modifying ai rates doesnt work
its the same in all servers
as it would be in officials
teal grotto
Exactly
Im showing the data as its set
So v3 is super massive
If there is 50 carnis online only 25 will eat the rest will starve.. Cause people know this tactic and they will afk spawn AI so the others will die of hunger
sick panther
Lol
sick panther
In unofficial server I just run a baby carno to my main dino to feed it since packs of 30 rexes on the server take all the ai
teal grotto
See mark knows exactly what's up
sick panther
Lmao
I'll literally never die on that server cus none of the admins care it's a free for all with no pack limits and carni mix packing
teal grotto
Lol
sick panther
Called igpisle of shit look it up
sick panther
Mhm
teal grotto
Admins on there are awsome
But back to discussion
If there is 80 carnis online in a 200 player server your not going to eat at all
All the spawns will only be going to 40 of those lol
misty island
@teal grotto ai will spawn regardless the population on the server
But yes they do only spawn near carnivores that has >70% hunger
And there will only be 100 ai at most at the same time
And ai has a higher chance of spawning when two carnivore player is within 0.5km distance
So higher concentration of player the higher spawn chance
teal grotto
@misty island yes but if you want to survive and don't want to die you avoid others
misty island
Oh we talking about not dying
Ok I missed that
Thought we talking about ai spawns
teal grotto
Exactly
misty island
My bad
teal grotto
If you look up people like to make AI spawn in but
Don't kill said ai
They clump up
And people starve to death
teal grotto
30 AI in a single spot says otherwise
misty island
Ai is supposed to be a lifeline
I doubt there could be 30 ais in a spot on official servers
Isn’t that one of the reason why they removed the raptor rock
Cus there’s too many players there and constantly spawning ais in that general area so
teal grotto
Perhaps as AI only spawns near hungry raptors
misty island
The other map is practically empty
teal grotto
The other map can handle 100 ai
misty island
10-20raptors on top of the rock ->lots of ai -> everyone goes there -> more ais
teal grotto
V3 is 5x bigger
misty island
-> 75% of the server population is at raptor rock
Wait I am sorry but what are you suggesting??? What do you mean by v3 is bigger and can’t handle 100 ai ???
pallid marsh
My biggest issue with the grow times is I literally dont have that much time in my day to sit around growing a dino just so I can actually do something fun and it feels like a waste of time especially when I dont have that much free time to begin with. I get some hardcore players dont mind that but for a wider audience the grow times should be shortened.
teal grotto
People do this to be pricks they afk AI spawn to just kill other players
Basicly force others to log out
Or get a fool to starve to death
misty island
Oh
Are we talking about an official server?
Cus I have never encountered this situation ......
shell willow
@pulsar lake The reason herbis can't sniff while trotting is because their food isn't on the move. Carnis need to be able to track their prey and move at the same time, but standing in place just to sniff the immediate area is fine for herbis.
leaden night
Wrong
The reason why herbs can't sniff on the move is because they used it to track down carnis
misty island
^
But maybe herbis can sniff when walking and carnis can sniff then trotting?
That could be a good balance
And make sense too
Cus u know predators have a brain more developed for hunting
And such
wintry cipher
still has the same result in the end
heavy citrus
@misty island the AI isnt good enough in game atm to have those examples as 70- 100% food consumption
misty island
Welp
Like i said
The numbers are just a wild guess
It’s the idea of such a system I am suggesting, how to balance the system if it is implemented is the devs choice which goes way later IF it would be implemented @heavy citrus
torpid wedge
why x on pachy swim buff
its dumb that both adults and juvies cant cross landbridge while practically everything else can
versed blaze
Pls no moar poop talk.
sick panther
Lol
oblique crown
This isn't Ark, you scat fetishists need to go back to ark.
paper oriole
mild diarrhea
coarse shell
you're telling me adding dino shit wont result in the same exact situation as in ark?
literally no one will take it seriously
misty island
It’s not merely about poop it’s also about a mechanic that herbis attracts ai carni and carni would produce more herbi food
It’s the CIRCLE OF LIFEEEEEE
Lmfao
@coarse shell shitting in ark is a joke kind of function and as a production of resources
If my idea is to be implemented
misty island
U randomly shiting causes more harm than good lmfao
coarse shell
never mentioned anything about random shit but do you really expect people to go "oh, there was a dinosaur here, lets see if we can hunt it" instead of "LOOK BOB WE FOUND TRIKE SHITTIES"
because thats exactly what will happen
dont expect too much from the playerbase
i'm not saying i wouldnt want a mechanic like this but like... shitting out of all things
barren zephyr
current state of ai is that there are many apexes on servers cause how easy ot is to afk
misty island
It’s just cause ppl comes on when the server is not full
That can only be solve by carni ais
versed blaze
Dinos don't need bodily functions. Just smell for bodies in addition to gore and longer footpring times
barren zephyr
idk why do ppl bring up code shit when from personal experience i played on 150-200ppl server and had no issue finding ai
infact i afked as giga recently with an almost full 200 slot server
misty island
Lmfao
I find that hard to believe
Where I died four times on eu1 with 90 pops on the server
barren zephyr
ai spawning on players is a dumb concept in the first place, this is a survival game
do have a headset?
barren zephyr
Do u Have a headset
can u hear locally where sound is coming from??
misty island
Well the ai spawn I believe was meant to be a temporary solution
barren zephyr
solution to what lmao
misty island
When people are complaining no food at all lmfao
versed blaze
100 people on a map the size of V3
Once the recode is done and they up the player count, it will get better
misty island
30 ppl on and starved to death
barren zephyr
i swear people who complain about that are crybabies
misty island
Sometimes u just get really unlucky mate
barren zephyr
nah ur just bad mate
misty island
Lmfao
I ama stop contributing to this now
Ur not heading towards a logical conversation
barren zephyr
i found ai to not be close to a challenge cause it spawns this fucking close. 👌
do u have a headset tho?
u havent answered that
?
CAN U HEAR WHERE THE AI SOUND IS COMING FROM???
misty island
Dude chill
Lmao
Of course I have a headset
Never said finding ai was a problem for me
Didn’t know where the heck u got that from
And this is already off topic
So if u wanna talk about it bring it to off topic
But no bacon, What do you mean when you said “Dinos don't need bodily functions. Just smell for bodies in addition to gore and longer footpring times” —> smell for bodies prt
Do you mean dead bodies or scent of a living creature
versed blaze
Dead bodies in addition to gore. I think having live bodies illuminate would be OP
misty island
Ya I was gonna say that
But my idea was to add more “indications” that a small population is lingering here
If we look at footprints as a active tracking evidence, a poop pile would be a passive one
It’s a completely independent system
Me saying adding benefits in pooping like creating more food
versed blaze
All I'm gonna say is this: If you mention poop to Dondi, you're gonna have a bad day
shell willow
NO IT AINT
misty island
@shell willow read my suggestion first lmfao
shell willow
I did, it's,, no
misty island
Mhm
sage helm
Man is it just me or are these suggestions getting more and more bland and non detailed each day
dry cradle
pulsar lake
@shell willow it's why I sayed than you need more time than standing scent. It can be 2x more long to active it and it's on walk so you can't track carnis because herbs in trot are really slow and if scent more 2x more time it's balanced.
pulsar lake
After I havent precised than moult have a duration. I think this should be 20 or 30 minutes because you don't moulted everytime. Something like every 3 day.
Yes it's for find bush @vagrant crest but I think they can do it in walk.
Fuck my computer I've crash.
I think I'll change it...
But if they can smell in movement they can only in walk and you need more time.
vagrant crest
Seems like a good way to hunt
wintry cipher
i mean...fun fact, scent doesnt move with you. its a standard radius from the point you first sniffed. so its often better to sniff in place even for carnis. you walk right out of it most of the time otherwise
vagrant crest
It's also not like the thing that herbies need to scent is moving
pulsar lake
After this is not the most thing I want it's for the community.
Other thing in my suggestion are what I want to see in the future.
vagrant crest
I don't think scenting while moving or in the rain is very good for the community tbh. It just turns herbs into trackers and removes the one thing that makes food difficult for them at times.
I do think the other suggestions are decent though
Even scenting a rotting body would be decent, or giving maia's an increased scent range for food seems fine
But then you look at how far all herbs can scent food from currently, and it makes me question it at the same time
vagrant crest
Just make them smell only plants period 
spiral pond
nah
10 rexes could stomp their way around and you coudnt smell them
and then they ambush you and your fucked
sage helm
Okay if you dont notice 10 rexes stomping around then you deserve to get ambushed.
willow zealot
@barren zephyr agreed
viral creek
@barren zephyr
More colors and patterns are planned. It's just a waiting game.
According to don, they plan to add in a "tasteful" red, steel greys, and blue hues next.
umbral prairie
yeah not anymore
now we have 'make giga 35 km/h so he can escape rex' every second day, and if you say that that will fuck all the mid tiers over they say 'then change their speed too'
still better than poop suggestions though
because I can at least understand the reason behind the suggestion
paper oriole
Remove the canyons? Lmao
umbral prairie
what is that pfp xD
paper oriole
The plains can go where the useless steep mountains are, the canyons dont make "a very large part of the map unplayable"
Its a featherless owl lol
umbral prairie
looks like an alien chicken
paper oriole
It is beautiful, isnt it
(Like the canyons on v3)
jovial blade
Those canyons are annoying af
umbral prairie
yeah I thought about buying a featherless owl
jovial blade
Should be removed for sure
Taking alot of space just to make players walk around for ages
umbral prairie
I still hope they will make a V3 expansion
some people speculate this is a bigger version of V3
It would be really cool if it was imo, more space for different biomes
if current V3 had more biomes the biomes would eventually seem a little crammed
or the biomes would be too small
with a bigger map we could have big plains, redwoods and other things
viral creek
Or they could make alternate ways across the canyons. Like bridges that vehicles and dinosaurs can cross.
brisk mesa
@willow zealot what do you mean by that?
That actually makes no sense; nocturnal animals are active at night thus hungrier
spiral pond
i think he meant the oppsite ?
brisk mesa
and diurnal animals are by contrast much more content / lethargic at night thus aren't feeding
So you think he means, decreased hunger decay?
Instead of increased?
spiral pond
probably
brisk mesa
Eh, ok but my reason to disagree with that is... do we really want to make everyone afk more?
willow zealot
For example you dont have 6 meals in 24 hours
You have 3 in a day
Then sleep
Thats just humans
viral creek
There is no way to sleep ingame
viral creek
You're basically encouraging players to afk
brisk mesa
^^^
willow zealot
realised
haughty cliff
I actually thought dilos seemed hungrier at night than during the day already, whoops
I wanted to plonk in my agreement on the canyons thing, though. I like them but they are too central and too disruptive to travel as they are
Maybe if they were a lot -wider- with plains & a river in the middle, or something, like real canyons tend to be
paper oriole
Just add more ways across the canyons tbh
wooden geyser
I think it'd be nice if the Official servers had more player slots available.. A lot of times, it is difficult for myself and my friends to join on the same server because it only hosts 100 players. That's just me, though! <3
umbral prairie
V3 could definitely hold 200 players or more, but the servers have problems with high player counts and the AI starts to bug out
I'm sure they will work on that though
sage helm
More players would probably decrease performance a lot which is why they dont already
Yea
wooden geyser
Ah, that is true.
sage helm
I would love to see more players tho
umbral prairie
yeah me too
Imagine if they actually make V3 bigger like some people speculated, it could even feel empty with 300 players
keen trail
I feel like sometimes it already feels empty with 200 how it is
keen trail
Yeah it was kind of a quick thought
keen trail
You do have a point
But I do think there should be DLCs where you can play on a snow map and be able to use mammals/ice age dinosaurs
sage helm
Even if it doesnt get added as official there will be a high high chance of mods
keen trail
That would be cool
oblique sluice
dire wolves?
keen trail
Yeah mods would be fun
oblique sluice
yeah let's put in the isle unicorns too
oblique sluice
no, it does not
sage helm
Direwolves are cool
keen trail
What about my sarcasm? Is that cool?
oblique sluice
direwolves are cool, not for this game
sage helm
Meh true
keen trail
You have a point
sage helm
But at least dire wolves are real unlike your sarcasmic unicorns
oblique sluice
you said it
oblique sluice
direwolves in the isle it's like if you put dragons in silent hill
sage helm
I mean spino and rex are in the same game
sage helm
And they didn't live at the same time iirc
edgy furnace
thats not the same as putting a direwolf in with dinos
just cause theyre from different times
direwolves dont really fit the game imo
oblique sluice
meh
keen trail
Yeh nothing really
oblique sluice
and
edgy furnace
so you know
oblique sluice
dilo
keen trail
Dadgummit I mean like when they get worked on more and added to survival
oblique sluice
in my opinion, the only dino that would be cool to have good nv as dilo o a bit less, is dryo
austro works as small fisher
herra idk, climbing or some shit
sage helm
I just want herrera or austro in survival period
barren zephyr
i feel like most dinos should have their own niche
dilos nv, allos stam regen, carnos speed etc
valid phoenix
@edgy furnace i mean, austro is way more terrestial. Can hunt on land or water. Its also utah sized about in reality.
I was thinking more dryo tier
And more unique rather than another theropod
edgy furnace
Yea as a dryo tier kinda that would be good
paper oriole
i want that abomination of an animal posted in suggestions just because its appearance lmao
dreamy wharf
I..
"Introductory fisher."
What does that mean?
@valid phoenix
Also, do you have any suggestions on where it fits in the ecosystem?
What could be potential niches?
Aside from just fishing, 'cause we've got sucho.
distant storm
Look at that sippy sippy noodle @valid phoenix
jovial blade
Para can 1 shot dilo it's not weak
jovial blade
The feet on the rex look a but stuff
Stiff
The feet are suppose to curl each step but instead the ankle is curling
paper oriole
also having to stop to kick
spiral pond
at best it can fight off a single allo
since para has to bomb rush it for allo to die
while allo can bleed it out while taking a sip of tea
jovial blade
Maybe buff its speed
jovial blade
Ye
keen trail
Ohhh
spiral pond
maybe
jovial blade
I've seen para kill like 4 dilos
spiral pond
but only slight buff
jovial blade
Really fast
keen trail
Dilos can solo anything if you’re smart about it
jovial blade
Yeah lol
spiral pond
except giga
keen trail
Maybe except carno is like hard level
jovial blade
At night tho
keen trail
Yeah giga too
jovial blade
if it's a skilled dilo it can solo anything at night
You just cant react in time
Once they bite you they're off into darkness
keen trail
I’ve made a giga 4 call from me harassing it literally 2 nights in a row I think it had like 20 bleed when I was done lol
spiral pond
allo fucks up everything that cant overwhelp it with bleed or dmg
jovial blade
Just keep chasing the dilo
Until it gets stuck
On a tree
I've gotten so many dilos that way lol
keen trail
Look, dilos are just op ok. I’ve survived a rex as a not even adult dilo
Adult rex
(Which is faster than me)
spiral pond
hey at least apexes have something that can kill them if the dilos are good enough
keen trail
Yeah
Not to mention what could happen if there was a full pack of very coordinated, lucky, and smart dilos
Hey anyone want to form a dilo alliance with me
keen trail
With spino and giga you have to play the waiting game and just be patient
jovial blade
This 1 dilo messed me up when I was giga
It was on thenyaw
So chasing it was hard
Because theres too many trees
And thenyaw nights are like pitch black
jovial blade
Yep if v3 was pitch black no gamma would be used
Playing dilo in v3 is risky
Never know if you're hunting a gamma user
wintry cipher
so...here's some of the problems with that:
normal night, not pitch black = gamma use, but people can see a bit anyways so the playing field is a bit more even between the two
pitch black night = reshade use, which fucks people over who dont have it
that is likely why v3 is not pitch black
keen trail
Gamma doesn’t work on thenyaw. A while back (NOT on any of the isla nycta servers and before I even played on them) I used gamma for a short time because I thought it was cool, I don’t use it anymore, and I tried it on thenyaw and I was like “w0t” so I stopped using it and haven’t since
O
wintry cipher
gotta think about which of the two is a lesser evil
keen trail
Wait why did I say anything about isla nycta servers what the
wintry cipher
are you in two discussions?
wintry cipher
prob that then
keen trail
but it was not on official either
wintry cipher
you cant really prove that sadly, you just shot yourself in the foot lmao
shell willow
@ivory linden I like that, I've always thought it would be interesting for Dilo to get scarred up enough to be missing one of its crests (bit off by an opponent). I suppose that'd be too much work, but it's still a nice thought.
ivory linden
yea, and it wouldn't even necessarily have to be that fancy to get an effect. the regular scars could be pretty simple just a texture on the dino, they already have scratch marks in the game so it could be pretty easy. As for the special battle scars that might have to be a change in the character model itself, not sure, but just keeping it as simple as special slash marks and whatnot would do the job and might not be too hard.
w'ell see if they consider it. itd be cool tho. another level of depth 
dreamy basin
Giga bite hit box is too big?
sacred wyvern
^
teal grotto
You can Kill mulktiple Dinos at once with 1 bite lol Killed a family of 6 raptors without meaning it..
Gigas apparently have a very big bite AoE range..
outer nebula
@teal grotto you can eat trike gore as an adult rex and giga you can also eat maia para and dibble gore too
teal grotto
Not on my end
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544707489866711040/574216793024102410/unknown.png Non trike gore
native vale
You sure that trike is fully grown?
teal grotto
yep
native vale
Probably a bug that happened within one of the newer updates, then.
It usually leaves a big gore behind.
teal grotto
Lets see it get fixed then..
native vale
Well, if no one has reported it, you should report it!
outer nebula
Thats a medium gore which ment it wouldve been a big subby
teal grotto
No its full adult..
native vale
But are you sure it was a fully grown adult and not just the adult model?
haughty cliff
Adikavita, players not using night vision aren't necessarily gamma-hacking? If I understood what you're saying. In V3 in most lighting conditions your vision will be better without it, until it's pitch black
inner osprey
So you guys think they should add more Dino’s instead of working on hypos
indigo sun
there's times when people don't need to use night vision because their nights are clear and they can see better without it, though other people may be forced to use night vision because they don't have a clear night.
spiral pond
Also i believe that hypos are not being that much worked on right now
They are focusing on ptera, stego and the recode
And maybe other things
indigo sun
Yeah i dont think they've worked on hypos much recently. those dont seem to be the main focus at the moment
they're working on adding new dinosaurs, like people want, as well as the recode like mini said
edgy furnace
i mean hypos are new dinos
but theyre not only working on that
theres more than a couple devs they work on various stuff
paper oriole
I dont need NV a good chunk of the time on v3 and ive never tampered with my gamma, i'd imagine im not the only one. Just fix the night there in general
outer nebula
Hypos are not their top priority yhe recode is and the reason they are working on the animations is to give people some hype for when the recode is done
teal grotto
@native vale regardless you should be able to eat the gore regardless of full or fresh adult stage as there is again no excuse.
sacred wyvern
i think dondi is just saying to cerato and pachy : u need skill for them :)) and tbh i dont mind that
mental sleet
''skill''
dim zodiac
solo server not normal to tag solo and be 1v2 ..
spiral pond
galli kinda needs run kick to do any damage without being 1 shot by everything
outer nebula
Yup and galis do little damage to anything big and they can be killed by anything @hazy goblet
hazy goblet
gallis should run not attack
especially when their attack can obliterate juvies, dilos, and utahs two of these should be able to hunt a galli
i cower when i hear that dreaded galli 4 call i really do
outer nebula
Up idk what gali can easily kill a dilo because galis dont have good bleed resistance or heal just one bite can cripple a gali
versed blaze
That's all a galli has is the kick. Dodge em and bite em
paper oriole
Idiot anything can obliterate juvies
Somebody is salty they got kicked in the face by prehistoric emu
hazy goblet
galli shouldnt have that running kick
it abusable
if by salty you mean i think its idiotic to give an animal with one of the best speeds a kick that can be used in succession to kill something that should hunt it then yes my good sir im pretty salty
pulsar lake
Other thing about galli, can the jump be delated ? It's useless for the Dino, it's a runner and not a bird who climb rock and it's a small jump so useless for everything.
hazy goblet
^
it doesnt need a jump and it is useless but at the same time it doesnt hurt it to have a jump
maybe when new terrain is added it will be more handy
outer nebula
Even juvies can hurt a gali
sacred wyvern
juvi dibble and juvi giga and juvi trike and juvi allo and juvi sucho can kill galli
even juvi rex
outer nebula
Yeah so if you are complaining about a gali kicking while running you have never seen an ostrich or emu kicking while running
hazy goblet
you are missing the point
yea galli is easily killed but they can kick something to death before they bleed
paper oriole
So what
hazy goblet
example utah, even a dilo could get smacked around
outer nebula
So
hazy goblet
yall gonna make me eat my own ears off
outer nebula
Cant be an easy kill
paper oriole
If you suck too much to hit them back you deserve to be kicked to death by gali theyre made of paper
hazy goblet
i see your flame baiting ways and i will not attone to it
paper oriole
Im just baffled that gali of all things has somebody begging for a nerf
hallow vigil
gali run kick should at least be slowed down, it looks so bizarre
hazy goblet
all i want is it to not have that running kick
paper oriole
Whats next, dryo? Oh wait it was already nerfed so juvie utah could fight it
hallow vigil
plus why does gali have the cooldown when it kicks while still
but rapid kick with running
hazy goblet
makes no sense
pale prairie
@paper oriole to be fair gallis weight nerf made it rather strong
outer nebula
We are not flame baiting you just cant get it that a gali need some way to defend its stelf
outer nebula
Well true block
pale prairie
i fight utahs all the time on DM servers and most of the time i either kill them fast enough to sit down and survive or they were only 1/2 hits way from death
hazy goblet
you saying "if you suck" and "Somebody is salty" isnt flame baiting?
come one me boi
you cant bs a bser
hallow vigil
everybody calm down
outer nebula
I do agree the gali needs a slower kick
paper oriole
Well i mean if you get offed by a gali as a dilo youre doing something wrong
hazy goblet
an understanding
sacred wyvern
u need skill to kill a galli player who goes for utahs and dilos
pale prairie
^
sacred wyvern
let a galli player teach u in deathmatch
hallow vigil
like, it makes no sense. Gali kicks faster than most things bite, but kicking requires more muscle movement than biting and is more taxing
sacred wyvern
where galli bleed dmg
pale prairie
galli can destroy a utah or dilo Supreme kiblee, if 2 gallis attack you then you die.
simple as that
hazy goblet
galli is exhausting to kill at times
paper oriole
2 galis
outer nebula
I would understand if the kick need stamina while running but to take it away is kinda weird
paper oriole
Fr
sacred wyvern
remember when a certain youtubers galli herd couldnt kill a utah
pale prairie
1 galli can kill a dilo or utah
haughty cliff
1 dilo or utah can also kill a galli though, bleed = you can't run which is kinda their defense
pale prairie
but 2 can destroy a utah or dilo, guaranteed.
paper oriole
Theres not a problem with it being able to kill them
haughty cliff
it'd be nice if it took stam yeah, like a jump, so they can't just spam it eternally
pale prairie
yeah, just to clarify i agree with galli being fine where it is
but i'm just saying it's not impossible for a utah or dilo do lose in a 1v1 with a galli
paper oriole
This is like the guy complaining that diablo needed a nerf because one oneshot his utah
pale prairie
it's more of a 60-40
outer nebula
Okay no more flame baiting can we all agree that gali either needs a slower kick or maybe the kick takes stam while running
hazy goblet
a compromise: Galli run kick should be slowed down and or drain stamina
paper oriole
Kick taking the stam of a second jump while running would be fine
hallow vigil
^
pale prairie
considering the risk a galli takes when it tries to fight against a utah, i'd say it's pretty fine, however a slower kick would be alright.
galli and utah take almost the same time to grow
outer nebula
Yeah its like a gauntlet gun
pale prairie
it's only fair that they can fight eachother
paper oriole
^
And one hit for bleed on a gali will fuck it up anyway its run kick wont fuck up a utah like that
paper oriole
Assuming it can juke the utah which isnt always the case, its not that bad
hallow vigil
it doesnt rly need to be able to 1v1 dilos/utahs on topp of that
i guess its realistic though?
sacred wyvern
no
*** its balanced***
if utah hunt galli
galli hunt utah galli omnivore confirmed
paper oriole
Hypo gali when
pulsar lake
Galli useless. Just a Troll dino
sacred wyvern
depends
spiral pond
survival terms of course
spiral pond
i mean you can use it as scouts
sacred wyvern
id say maia may beat it
pulsar lake
Just a Troll
spiral pond
nah carno
spiral pond
carno wreck maia if its smart
sacred wyvern
yes mini but survival wise and there arnt that many carnos nowadays
pale prairie
therefore utah is a trolling dinosaur aswell.
sacred wyvern
it can travel long distances better
pale prairie
galli and utah are fast and take around the same time to grow.
spiral pond
pretty sure galli has better trot
spiral pond
same for galli
pale prairie
maias trot is much faster.
sacred wyvern
maia regains stamina better
maia can swim atleast
galli swims at like 1cm an hour
not as bad as pachy though
pale prairie
pcahy just can't swimm
sacred wyvern
drowning while crossing lazy river
pulsar lake
Utah can't really Troll bc he is out runned by maïa. It's just, in offi, a bird and I hate Utah official gameplay... I prefer Utah on floor and hunt other dinosaurs in pack.
With 6 or 7 Utah you can kill everything's
pale prairie
at all
nah, even 10 utahs can't kill a good rex, anyway, galli ain't just a troll dinosaur.
spiral pond
actually they can
sacred wyvern
30 utahs couldnt
pulsar lake
For me it's a Troll.
Utah can kill everything if they have brains
pale prairie
lies
spiral pond
giga cant be killed by small or mid tiers
pulsar lake
Like only on bite and go out
pale prairie
rex can't be killed by 10 utahs
sacred wyvern
mini this isnt no alt turn o3o
pale prairie
^
spiral pond
i know
pulsar lake
I've kill rexes in Utah pack with rex alturning
sacred wyvern
do u kill skilled rexes
spiral pond
its possible
sacred wyvern
or new players
pale prairie
i didn't say it was impossible
i said they couldn't kill a good rex player
keyword
spiral pond
fair point
pale prairie
"good"
pulsar lake
When people know be in walk and use alt and don't run after Utah like idiot yes
A good rex player wait Utah come to him
Never run after it
brittle ivy
What suggestion is this discussion about?
sacred wyvern
it was first about galli nerf
pulsar lake
About galli
sacred wyvern
lmao
pulsar lake
Lol
sacred wyvern
and then it got turned into rexes dieing to utahs
brittle ivy
All I saw is utah, alt turn, kill, possible
Might want to take it to #401464048610312195
umbral prairie
not no galli run kick, just slower galli run kick
thorny lynx
Each kick should slow you down.
You can't really run fast while kicking like, 3 times a second
shell willow
@distant storm The suggestion itself is good, but rocks don't just "run out" of basking heat. The sun is what gives them the warmth, so just make the rocks cooler at night. Pterosaurs this way would need to find spots to rest until day that could meet their temperature requirements.
outer nebula
@pliant wharf they are currently working on a semi aquatic creature
languid tundra
@pliant wharf already gonna happen check they're twitter
outer nebula
@languid tundra that was something else jake was working on
languid tundra
The text of the retweet sounded like an ok on a marine
outer nebula
Its a maybe but since jake is the modeler for the isle he was just doing a throwback thursday when he made a model and the person who runs the twitter just retweeted it for more of a support of the modeler
outer nebula
Ik but it was retweeting a throwback from jakes old models
languid tundra
The context barely has to do with the throwback
outer nebula
Im sure they have them plan, its a given but not for awhile
distant storm
@shell willow I mean realistically yes. But it would be poor game mechanic to make pteras useless for 50% of the game's time. And a way to make these certain rocks competition. The rocks would hold a set amount of warmth that's drained, and won't provide more till it recharges to the full amount. Giving reasons for groups to travel.
Wrong player sorry
distant storm
Oo
shell willow
but like
distant storm
No glasses
shell willow
the thing is, it wouldn't be useless if it drains slowly, some heat can be retained through the night, when most competition would happen
pterosaurs would be relatively peaceful during the day while the sun is constantly heating the rocks, but at night when the rock isn't being heated and the warmth is limited, fighting and competition would break out
@distant storm
distant storm
That's a good concept. Again a certain rock can hold heat. Making these the locations to "flock"
shell willow
competition would definitely still happen during the day for space, 50 pteras couldn't fit on one rock, and some aren't willing to travel the map to find another
but it would be a lot rarer than night time
paper oriole
im horrible at hunting and i can track while walking/trotting lol
umbral prairie
why would you even track while crouched? most dinos are so slow when crouching, you cannot follow anything
cyan flame
Wouldn't you be close enough not to need to track with scent if you need to sneak to not alert the target?
umbral prairie
afaik the bug of foot steps being completely muted if you approach from behind is still there, not sure though
shell willow
sometimes there are instances where you might be following the scent of food and just trying to make sure nothing else is around guarding it
umbral prairie
I died to a giga that trotted up to me from behind and I heard exactly one foot step before the bite sound
shell willow
but otherwise yeah^
paper oriole
so basically you want hunting as an apex to be easier, when their pop is already too high
cyan flame
You could scent out the carcass then crouch towards it, unlike tracks, it wont move, or disappear so you don't need to actively follow in the same way?
paper oriole
^
umbral prairie
I hope that apex population will be like 10% of the total players at max
at some point in the future
paper oriole
yea seeing 10 rexes withing the first 5 min of joining any populated server gets old
umbral prairie
There really needs to be something that will make apex growth hard, something with affinity, changes to how Ai works, lower pack limit and something to solve afk growing.
paper oriole
negative affinity for sitting idle for so long on heavy dinos would be one thing
umbral prairie
It should still be somewhat fun though, so hopefully not just crazy hunger and constant starvation
shell willow
muscle atrophy makes you slow as fuck when you afk too long
paper oriole
yes
theyd get shittier stam and movement speed or something if they sat on their ass or stood still fora large stretch of time
never skip leg day
a sort of fatigue that builds up and wears off
umbral prairie
not just constant sitting though, also just few movement in general so you cannot walk a circle every 10 minutes
paper oriole
that too, should be something to discourage staying in the same area for so long, maybe only so much ai can spawn in one area for an hour or so
umbral prairie
yeah better AI spawns might encourage roaming around more
so no AI spawning close to you when you get hungry
paper oriole
a cd of ai spawn in sectors of the map would encourage moving to get more food
umbral prairie
not directly for apex growth, but maybe bigger AI like cory or pachyrhino that spawn randomly on the map might also encourage mid tiers and apexes to move around more instead of living off of oros at twins for hours, also with bigger AI there might be less AI needed on the server to keep players fed, so the server might be able to handle more players
like small herds wandering around slowly
paper oriole
mmm yea depending on how much food an ai supplies there could be cd to the amount of it that spawns in sectors of the map, also there could be powerful ai that migrates across the map, like shant and camara maybe
umbral prairie
shant would really need some work before getting inplemented to survival in any way though, plus AI this strong should probably be alone so they can actually be killed
paper oriole
hunger should only spawn small tier like oro and taco, only spawn a limited amount in an area for a set time, the rest should be random in locations
yea shant right now can squish a camara theyre pretty wild, they'd be lone ai or in pairs for sure unless they get a rework
umbral prairie
small AI needs to exist for smaller dinos and for adults that are unlucky and don't find anything, but bigger carnis shouldn't be able to sustain themselves off of small AI forever, only delay their starvation a bit
paper oriole
yea oros and tacos will feed the smallers, anybody can travel to get the bigger things
would also encourage pack nesting instead of lone nesting sinc eit'd be easier to fill nest with many to go out and find food
sage helm
I mean at least you have to get hit at least 15 times to die to a galli
It takes 20 to kill a utah
Maybe a fast peck would be more acceptable
willow zealot
@valid phoenix Aqautic burrowing sauropod like dino, I like it
valid phoenix
@willow zealot yeah, i just think it'd be interesting. make it live on riverbeds or be only able to build burrows near a body of water. just to balance them being a bit speedy and quick to grow. not sure if they should do much bleed. maybe a base of 15, and since their small, it not be that bad?
willow zealot
Its a good idea its a good combination of Sauropod and burrower. Unexpected but a cool combination
valid phoenix
thank you for thinking its interesting. i think alot of people would think its silly but i like it as a concept
paper oriole
Id play it tbh
still temple
I dont see a tanystropheus burrowing
still a cool creature though. Would be nice seeing more playables that arent dinosaurs
not seeing the sauropod connection other than superficial similarities.
pulsar lake
@keen trail for screenshots too ! I hope, with recode, a correction of the record for do again beautiful screenshots like before 
heavy citrus
@formal vine ```AdikavitaYesterday at 5:53 PM
Heres a way to spot people who are using the gamma increase exploit at night :
If you've heard of 'Tapetum Lucidum', its a layer in eyes of nocturnal animals that glow when is reflected with light, or just naturally. It is when light is absorbed by the eye to make the animal see better at night, so maybe when dinos use night vision at night, they're eyes would glow and if they eye glow isn't seen when hunting, it is confirmed that the dinosaur/player is using the gamma hack. Glow could be brighter for dinos with better NV.``` i dont always kill with nightvision because sometimes its clear enough at night when the weather is clear so good suggestion but its not gonne work like u stated
formal vine
barren zephyr
smh
people with dark screens be really thinking ppl with light screens are cheating cause its not 100%pitch black for them
this is very silly
versed blaze
Gamma exploiting is against the rules. Period.
barren zephyr
game exploiting is we know
versed blaze
It's not just turning up the brightness on your monitor either
brisk mesa
^^^
There is a lot of ignorance about gamma exploiting.
It's not some innocent act.
barren zephyr
well ofcs installing a software is cheating like reshade
brisk mesa
You need to deliberately do something in order to gain the toxic advantage.
versed blaze
No software install needed.
brisk mesa
My monitor is fairly bright and I can see until roughly 11:30pm on V3, and against past 3:30am. I don't see well, but can make out people in bright skins if I squint... if I was a gamma exploiter I could see Dilos hiding in the treeline at 2am.
Between 11:30 and 3:30 I need NV to see.
brisk mesa
Furthermore in regards to Reshade, your proposed fix of having eyes glow when NV is one wouldn't work.
Because you actually can't see with Reshade if NV is off: NV is on along with reshade.
So while it would halt Gamma exploiters it would just shift people back to using that nasty business.
barren zephyr
i never made that suggestion lol
barren zephyr
k now i sound dumb
brisk mesa
It's fine, we're human and make errors.
Personally what I'd like to see is adding a fog to night time... would invalidate both reshade and gamma.
Gamma exploiters wouldn't be able to see shit in a blinding white soup... and Reshaders would n't help themselves either.
Only issue would be optimizing such a thing for performance; jungles lag to hell and back on V3 and afaik it's due to the light mist in there, god forbid covering most of the map at night
versed blaze
Optimization won't be an issue soon with the recode.
brisk mesa
Ah true
green crow
What would also be cool is that they have caves and have giant bugs like arthropleura living in some
brisk mesa
Hadn't thought of that Bacon
green crow
That would be cool
mental sleet
that's not entirely true bacon
it will optimize the game sure
but we don't know how much
brisk mesa
David what he means is that it will allow them to optimize faster.
mental sleet
if you interpreted his message that way.
brisk mesa
I did at least xfd
Add in a feature, and post recode getting out a patch to improve it probably won't take as long
Or be as hard with all the skeleton code in this game's closet
barren zephyr
more official slots with recode would be a delicacy.
tbh i dont even lag that much with 200ppl server unless its nycta
mental sleet
All I need are 2-3 AI next to me for my ping to go from 200 to 400
brisk mesa
Personally I'd always take more players over more AI.
barren zephyr
same
brisk mesa
Hopefully post recode we can have higher player numbers and optimized AI to support it.
Because AFAIK that's a big reason why lower numbers are more stable, due to AI just breaking
mental sleet
I disagree, players will always tend to go carnivore, so it just sharpens the effect of the overloaded carnivore ecosystem.
barren zephyr
ai atm is not good
brisk mesa
I remember being on 110 official Thenyaw back a few months ago.
barren zephyr
makes afk growing easy as hell
brisk mesa
And we all were pissin' laughing at the AI
jovial skiff
brisk mesa
As a Carno I befriended fuckin Tacos
They all walked under me 2 calling
Shit was hilarious.
barren zephyr
thenyaw is a good map
brisk mesa
Other carnos would come near and they'd stand still 3 calling 😂
broken ass AI
So I'm hopeful recode optimizies this stuff.
But 200 players V3 sounds nasty rn.
Also David...
You can just, yknow, tank the AI numbers.
I remember in December AI on v3 was scarce af
barren zephyr
lots of player interaction and good looking only problem with thenyaw is that u cant see shit at night and the framrate lag spikes
brisk mesa
And so we saw more herbivores bc reaching apex was a bitch
Lel Scum, try fighting 2 Utahs as a Subgiga when your frames jump from 100 to 60 everytime you move your camera
versed blaze
Thenyaw is a test map anyway
brisk mesa
yeah.
versed blaze
I wouldn't expect it to get improved
brisk mesa
shift delete thenyaw when
barren zephyr
i loved being desprate for ai when the spawns could cuck carnivores
mental sleet
being cucked by spawns is nasty
brisk mesa
All you need is to make a primarily carnivore ecosystem not sustainable David.
versed blaze
#affinity
mental sleet
Which is a bad idea.
brisk mesa
IDK why but carnivores yield more food than herbivores.
mental sleet
That is true
brisk mesa
Or hell as Bacon points out, perhaps eating your own kind would negatively impact affinity.
mental sleet
that hurts competition
brisk mesa
So all those Trexes that survive eating Juveniles would just be 
'd
I mean, nah.
Kill 'em but don't eat.
versed blaze
that's the idea
brisk mesa
No problem there 😛
mental sleet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren zephyr
watt u should repost that ambush tweak suggestion. i just got recently spam ambushed by a sub rex as a cera😐
brisk mesa
Also, considering Dondi's statement on Sucho 'wanting' to eat fish, albeit can obvs subsist on AI
We can just make dinosaurs want to eat herbivores as a predator.
Or go more specific.
Make Gigas want to eat Sauropods.
Sure can they destroy mid tiers? Yeah but they'll want to get that juicy affinity munching giant snack bars
So you can therefore punish and incentivize people to behave X way.
Anyways this is all veering #401464048610312195
brisk mesa
@rotund tartan Or you could just, yknow, hunt things your own size that cannot log on you?
Just a thought.
rotund tartan
very bad logic
brisk mesa
Or not attack something that has backed itself into a defensive position.
rotund tartan
why ? because you say so ?
if 5 people attack something big to bleed it out
and it parks his ass on a rock
and LOGS
brisk mesa
Then 5 aren't enough.
rotund tartan
that's just crap
mental sleet
Where is that dondi post about utah and t.rex
brisk mesa
No, it's you failed a hunt and he knew how to get out.
mental sleet
it would explain everything here
rotund tartan
getting OUT ... while taking DMG
brisk mesa
I'm sorry?
rotund tartan
getting out is managing to run away
brisk mesa
Lel
Can a Trex run away from 5 Dilos.
That's factually a no.
So.
How does it get out?
umbral prairie
if you're five people and you cannot kill something in a full minute while said thing is standing completely still then you shouldn't hunt it
rotund tartan
so ?
brisk mesa
Basically what Sammel said.
rotund tartan
all rex huggers
brisk mesa
I'm a Dilo main.
brisk mesa
But brilliant assumption.
mental sleet
''getting your ass owned''
the only reason that happens is due to shoggy game mechanics
barren zephyr
if the thing parks its ass u must be playing on a no alt server
brisk mesa
Nah even on alt turn it's simply the sane thing to do, Scum
mental sleet
rex's alt turn is...
depressing
also it suffers from acceleration
which means it cannot turn quickly after moving
brisk mesa
Trex's alt turn is very weak, and it has acceleration.
barren zephyr
eh true for rex and trike
brisk mesa
Giga just is a bayblade.
So he really doesn't ever need to combat log.
But no you see LiriC
I like my prey having a chance.
If I'm in a big Dilo pack, their only chance is managing to log.
barren zephyr
gigas high bleed res and spin is just mad oof
brisk mesa
And that adds high stakes.
I NEED to keep up pressure
Or the hunt isn;t an easymode win
I need to distract it and coordinate and be aware of my environment
And that is roughly 10x more fun than just
bite 10 times and wait
with 0 possibility of him surviving
Because killing 5+ things when you are out of stamina and they are faster and hella agile is not doable.
It forces me to be good.
And to not let him stand still for a whole damn minute
It makes me take the risk that he might be feigning it
and manage to lunge for me when I go in.
It's fun, exciting.
minor dome
"you should NOT be able to LOG while you have BLEED !" another advantage to mostly carnivores
brisk mesa
Sure it's deflating if he managed to logout.
But failing any hunt is deflating, IRL or in games.
If you ambushed a Maia as Allo and it managed to escape the attack, aight then, you feel somewhat down.
So what, hunt something else.
barren zephyr
Another way to troll people
brisk mesa
That too.
Say your a Utahraptor and find a Subgiga.
Now, instead of actually killing him
you just play with your food.
Put 1 bleed on him at all times
Hell imagine if Ptera ends up doing bleed.
barren zephyr
Waste 30mins to an hour of this persons time
barren zephyr
Like many people have said n im quoting arkaria
brisk mesa
And you just wanna log to go on a fucking date.
She's waiting for ya.
But this lil bitch Ptera keeps poking you
with 0 chance of ever killing you
barren zephyr
If it can sit down for a whole minute and log out u bit off more then u can chew and u wasted ur own time
brisk mesa
or you killing it
^^^
So LiriC, no
I'm not some apex main that feels triggered at the idea I can't combat log.
I'm a Dilo who likes a challenge.
I like the risk that he might escape and he knows I'm aware of said risk
barren zephyr
Also combat logging isnt real 🤧
brisk mesa
xd
barren zephyr
smh
minor dome
exaggeration. all the 200 pop servers did have some wonkiness but its been hardely noticeable for me
barren zephyr
if u can kill someone for 60secs
mental sleet
smh dilo being able to kill apexes
barren zephyr
who cant fight back
brisk mesa
David, something's gotta kill apexes until Mercs show up
brisk mesa
barren zephyr
V3is a barren wasteland cus everyone stays in 3 areas n never leaves
brisk mesa
-when Dondi has repeatedly cited mercs killing apexes as a way that will reduce their numbers and encourage small tiers
barren zephyr
100limit is fine
mental sleet
dondi also stated that good guns and ammo are rare
brisk mesa
So, all the more reason for Dilo to kill apexes, is what you're telling me.
brisk mesa
Why not?
mental sleet
Too small, nipping at the apex's kneecaps shouldn't do much
brisk mesa
I'll point to how they are venemous.
unborn quail
Venom says otherwise
brisk mesa
^^^
mental sleet
The current bleed is a placeholder
so you don't know jack balls how effective the venom will be.
brisk mesa
A placeholder for venom that is just as potent, if not moreso?
Actually we do.
A placeholder needs to substitute something
Compensate.
mental sleet
it uses bleed, which is wrong.
brisk mesa
So we can guess the Venom will be just as, if not more, deadly
mental sleet
because for an anticoagulant to be relevant you need to be bleeding
and dilo won't be dealing anywhere as much bleed once it gets its venom.
brisk mesa
Yes but, just because the value of 50 bleed is placeholder.
Doesn't mean the anticoagulant wont be just as deadly with whatever base bleed it has.
Imagine if the venom just outright stops bleed heal?
barren zephyr
how will it even work
brisk mesa
We dont know exactly.
barren zephyr
its supposed to make shit bleed forever