white torrent
Don’t act like I was “attacking” someone because I was expressing my opinion buddy
#general-feedback-discussion
misty island
You are right you are being nice
misty island
@grand brook no one except devs would know how affinity actually work rn
So maybe may not be
So chill
For now
grand brook
I mean if that were the case it wouldn't be the worse thing to happen to the game certainly, but in many servers that have body down rules cannibalism is more often something very common, and given that some theropods were cannibals and many modern reptiles are too it seems strange to punish something like that.
pulsar lake
Cannibalism will be punished for some species. The only dino who will not punished will be Ceratosaurus
grand brook
...only cerato? I mean what about carnos ? Majungasaurus was a confirmed cannibal, and it is related to carnotaurus. What about tyrannosaurus? We have good evidence to sugest that t-rex did indeed eat it's kind.
wintry cipher
@barren zephyr a rex only has around 50% or less chance to break a gigas leg. Meanwhile a giga gets a rex to 100 bleed in two bites. If you can handle two bites without getting broke, he is fucked. Strategize. Rex does not need a nerf and can't afford a nerf or it will be utter trash. It is also the ONLY thing a giga has to fear. By that knowledge, giga is the most op Apex and doesn't even deserve as good a chance at escaping or killing as it currently has.
barren zephyr
Okay thanks for explaining.
grand brook
@barren zephyr Oh boy...ok as far as I'm concerned the bite force and bb are perfectly acceptable in my opinion, it is the t-rex after all, a creature evolved to take down some of tankiest creatures this world has ever seen. However, as speed is concerned in game, it's too fast even taking into acount the shitty stamina, it would be one thing if the rex was slower at a normal run than giga and it was faster than the giga in ambush, that would make sense one is an endurance hunter while the other is an ambush hunter. However that's not the case, in a normal run the rex it's faster than the giga, with the rex speed being 33,2 km/h in a normal run and 43.1 km/h in ambush compared to the 30.6 km/h, in a normal run and 39.8 km/h in ambush. It can turn better but that is worthless after the leg in broken.
And that's not even taking into account the rex has the best bleed resistance in the game.
But given it takes 7 hours to grow, I can see why people complain about getting it nerfed
umbral prairie
I think it might be good to nerf rex normal sprint speed to 31 km/h so it cannot catch up to giga so easily, and bb is way too strong right now imo but that will change with locational damage
barren zephyr
Yeah, okay. It just seemed to me from experience that there are a lot of rexes and I always get killed by rexes so I kinda get frustrated with them.
grand brook
The bonebreak is actually fine, it's the speed that is the problem specially for such a large and powerful animal.
The problem is that too many rexes reach adulthood and that shouldn't be the case
umbral prairie
the problem is that you can get nested in a pack of 4 adult rexes or grow in a bush until you're full adult, it is way too easy to grow apexes atm imo
grand brook
Exactly
umbral prairie
the problem I see with bb is 1. you can break legs by biting the air behind tails and 2. it is instantly completely broken and the rex can ass ride you to death since you lose alt turn with a broken leg. I'd prefer it if bb had 'stages', so at first you have a fractured bone, then a broken bone and then a shattered bone, so you're not instantly fucked over if a rex bites you. The biting tails problem will get solved with locational
umbral prairie
I mean there are already bb 'numbers' but they only indicate the time it takes to heal your leg, it would be cool if they would also indicate how damaged the bone is --> how badly it affects your mobility
grand brook
It was an op dinosaur even in real life, but it had a huge disadvantage, it's speed.
umbral prairie
gigas are fine like they are now
barren zephyr
I don't think Gigas need a buff because they're definitly a viable option and can suvive quite well.
umbral prairie
bring rex sprint speed down to 31 and change how bb works and rex is perfectly fine
barren zephyr
Yeah.
grand brook
It could barely run at 20 kmh, however given how this is game and not real life, a higher speed is not too bad. The problem is it's too high and too easy to become a rex.
vivid tulip
compared to rexes they are harder to survive in juvi-sub stage and takes the same time . and in the end giga will definetly lose on a 1v1 if the rex does not make any mistakes
umbral prairie
also, a rex should win in a clean 1v1 against giga imo, the giga should be able to bleed a rex out if it ambushes the rex though
vivid tulip
yeah, but 1 bit and usually rex breaks the gigas leg
grand brook
One could argue that a giga shouldn't pick fights with rexes 1v1
umbral prairie
yes, again, bb needs to be changed
grand brook
indeed
barren zephyr
Yeah or sure but I think as the 2 apexes in game they should have equal chances at beating oneanother
vivid tulip
but its not real life. I agree that rex should win in a face to face battle
But still. its a game, and needs balance
umbral prairie
and apex growth needs to be way harder. Not constant starving, but apexes should be very rare plus we need an apex pack limit of 2 or 3
grand brook
Many of the rexes problems wouldn't be really a problem if they were a rare sight, but they are not
vivid tulip
There is way to manny rexes
Gigas are in a kinda ok spot now, beacuse most ppl grow rexes instead cuse of thier superior power atm
But I enjoy gigas more than rexes, fast sneak speed. good bleed dmg. could make it fun to hunt big preys
umbral prairie
giga is excellent against everything but rexes, and as long as the rex doesn't come too close to the giga it cannot ambush it and the giga can trot away with it's superior trot speed
barren zephyr
Yeah. I think the pack limit is something that is different depending on the server. I mostly play on a server where you can only have 2 adult apexes. So that is definitly a thing for server owners to decide .
grand brook
excellent against everything but rexes laughs in trike
umbral prairie
gigas can take on trikes pretty easily tbh
if the giga isn't shit it can bleed the trike out pretty easily, unless it is in a herd
grand brook
depends, in a 1v1 fight an expierienced trike will make a giga bite the dust
however it depends if the giga nows how to handle them and doesn't get to close to the horns
umbral prairie
I think giga needs 3 or 4 bites to bring trike to 100 bleed, that is pretty easy to do unless you trot right up to the trike from the front
grand brook
Yeah but the horn slam goes at a faster rate and during that window you can kill them easy
A rex however facetanks you and boom
chances lower
jovial blade
@barren zephyr Just because 1 dino beats 1 easier doesn't mean it should be nerfed
barren zephyr
Ye not really what I meant.
jovial blade
It literally is what you wrote
barren zephyr
Well thean I formulated it wrong and am sorry for the misunderstanding.
jovial blade
Do you mean they have the same growth so why is 1 stronger?
jovial blade
They both have different play styles
Rex is suppose to be the really good biter
And giga is in the middle
Good bite and really good bleed
versed blaze
Rex is an ambusher
you get one shot with your stam and that's it
Then you better hope you BB if they fight back
jovial blade
I'm assuming rex will get a nerf some what with collision
grand brook
It is an ambusher but it's too fast on it's normal run compared to the giga, ambush speed is another thing
jovial blade
They can't break bone on tail bites with collision
versed blaze
Collision and locational damage will change everything
versed blaze
Gigas trot outruns a rex
grand brook
i hope it does, people complain about buttriding raptors and dilos and sure, but what about airbiting rexes
jovial blade
Giga is rough growing
leaden night
Air-biting is an issue of hitboxes
versed blaze
I dunno, I've seen plenty of juvie and sub rexes rekt
grand brook
not as hard as gigas
jovial blade
Anything gets rekt
But rex juv and sub
Have it easier
For sure
They have speed and stam
leaden night
Juv and sub rex are far more capable than the young-in Gigas
grand brook
it should be a challenge to grow both apexes though
jovial blade
You mostly have to play in the shadows
grand brook
how so?
jovial blade
You need a specific diet
Or a action
So like as sucho
You cant jsut live off avas and in land dinos
You will need to go fish
And as a herb
You have to wander from your herd
To eat a specific fruit
versed blaze
Sitting and doing nothing will be bad for you also
jovial blade
Or plant
leaden night
Assuming you're in a mixherd of course 
jovial blade
Yes you would still need people guarding you
grand brook
what's wrong with mixherding as a herbivore?
leaden night
Anyway not going to argue if something makes the game harder or not without it actually being implemented
jovial blade
It will make it harder though common sense
leaden night
We just have to wait and see how much it actually changes
jovial blade
You will have needs that will need to be done or you suffer
In return makes it more difficult
leaden night
Truthfully though, we have no idea if it will fully eliminate that
In some cases at least
A Sucho could eat fish and go back to tree sitting
Wait for when it needs to eat fish again and repeat until it needs to goes somewhere else for fish or something
jovial blade
🤷
Kind of makes sense for the more eggs
Just annoying how long you have to sit on the damn nest just to get 1 egg
grand brook
Wait it doesn't take 7 hours to grow a rex anymore?
Did they change the growth times of other dinos?
stuck bison
anyone else face palm when there are suggestions to limit what people can do with their own servers? I do
sage helm
Yup
stuck bison
Like the easiest way for them to not deal with it, is not play on that server
grand brook
I feel like taking away options from your server only harms the game itself and the choices you can make. I'm not particularly thrilled about the removal of alt-turn, but it's nothing compared to what I'm afraid they could end up doing. Like for example say you want to play as a dinosaur in a dinosaur only server, no humans, no mutants, no kaiju bullsh*t or discount mayans running around, if they take away those options it will harm the game in the end. I really hope they don't do that
stuck bison
My understanding they wont.
Reason they plan to take out alt turn is they are going to be reworking alt turn so it's more 'natural'.
but with the others, the ability to spawn things in and customize your server from my understanding is always going to be available, and if people don't like what admins can do, they just don't need to play on servers where admins do those things
sage helm
With collision amd rework they are goinf to be addi g things that are going to make up for having alt turn on
Oh my gosh my spelling
stuck bison
LOL
grand brook
as opossed to a rex sliding across the floor like a ballerina? if that's the case i welcome the change. But for the love of god don't force the mutants
stuck bison
I mean I find charging people money to play non survival dinos to be kinda dumb but I also understand it can cost 80 bucks a month if not more to run a good server that has 100 pop available in it, that's a lot of money to dish out a month and covering those costs helps. but I wouldn't play on a server that does that personally. I can see people having to earn the right to play them by participation and such, but paying money is unfair to me cause not everyone can afford to do so. Which is why I'd never play on one of those servers, but I don't think just cause I don't agree with it, it's something that needs removed.
and yeah they're adding animations and stuff from what I heard
And collision and trample should also help with ass biters
Running away, ass biter keeps chasing you, suddenly you stop and they get under your feet then you walk on them is something I wanna see happen >.>
grand brook
The trample damage will be similar to the one in the camara?
stuck bison
not sure, I'm just hoping that's how it'll work
that there will be reprecussions for getting up under someones feet if you'r smaller then them.
grand brook
the one in the camara is limited to when it "runs" though
stuck bison
I just want it if I am large, and my stepping on them would have squished them, it squishes or at least injures them XD
jovial blade
Get them stuck on your foot
umbral prairie
but remove the 'sitting down' sound when logging in
icy tangle
@misty island didnt thought about that. DAMN RIGHT make them sit it will solve it.
misty island
But still doesn’t work when ur like hunting apex with lightweight dinos tho
They can still tank a good amount of hits
If ur smthing really small
But if u have 3-4 I guess ur good
misty island
Patchy too op
viral creek
I was about to say "stfu you utah main pleb"
misty island
Please nerf
viral creek
to the guillotine you go
misty island
I have Rex on every server
viral creek
chop chop bitch
pulsar lake
Pachy need a better heal bleed and resistance
pulsar lake
Because die of 1 dilo bie -_-
misty island
The people of isle
pulsar lake
And it's a worst maïa 
misty island
I have helped the world to be a better place
pulsar lake
Pachy can be better
pulsar lake
In one you die
misty island
Utah dies in two dilo bites
viral creek
maia is on steroids and that's why he's strong
pulsar lake
No pachy
misty island
A dilo dies in two
viral creek
maia need rehab he bad
misty island
Maia is strong please nerf pachy
misty island
League logic
viral creek
die
who is the heretic who reacted on my suggestion
i will hang him
in public
In front of the entire server
pulsar lake
Sexual intellectual
viral creek
delet
paper oriole
herbis should have shorter times in general tbh, well some of them at least
normal fern
Anything lighter than a diablo should
Pachy and Galli should really take less than an hour
normal fern
If Maia was altered so it didn't buttrape dilo/Utah it should also have a growth nerf.
But lengthwise diablo and para should definitely be kept the same
spiral pond
Also Pachy should totally shit on Utah and dilo combined
umbral prairie
maia should grow a little longer, pachy a little shorter imo
spiral pond
The top of small tiers
sage helm
Dilo wrecks it
Like as long as the dilo gets a bite in
and from what I hear its really hard to hit utahs with the delayed hit or whatever
umbral prairie
well
it is supposed to be stronger than them
it doesn't seem to actually be stronger/win in a fight
south flower
Did I just see a suggestion of a “final boss” being a meteorite
next nexus
a "combat log" in the nature of giving out steam id information would make harassing and targeting players so much easier. It would result in an increase of toxic behavior such as steam message harassment, targeting in game etc. A more general info screen such as "killed by adult tyrannosaurs" or "killed by M16 rifle from x distance away" might be useful just for players to learn what is what by playing and dying (and maybe potential hackers if lets say they killed someone from someone 900 meters away with a triple headshot from a hand pistol);
but I disagree with giving out steam ID's and stuff, it would be easily countered via a similar strategy people use in ark; by massive numbers of the players naming their steam profiles "123".
The game needs to develop more so that admins wont be needed for official server play, not necessarily developing more tools for them to have to baby sit servers more.
versed blaze
It should be available to admins though. Not necessarily players.
south flower
^ That’s just what I was thinking. Maybe death screens could somehow automatically be saved and stored to allow admins to monitor deaths by rulebreak and such. Having players be able to see it could cause, as Lemur said, more toxicity amongst the community.
Because there are some players that take this game waaaay too seriously.
versed blaze
Just a combat log is fine. Logging is available now but it's a bit sparse.
normal fern
If you can't kill something after it's been standing still for a full minute then it's a you problem.
Literally the only exception to that is an adult dino standing on top of a smaller/baby dino so that it can't be killed.
There's already a fix for that in the works and it's called trample damage
@wicked spire
sage helm
I think its like that because carno gets launched by a tiny tiny rock
pulsar lake
Combat logging is just an horrible problem for bleeder
Like if you are a carno who hunted a maïa or an Utah pack and the prey disconnect because they need to bleed out his prey. This is disgusting
Or an allo pack who hunt a trike and a giga mate who hunt a rex
brisk mesa
@viral creek I genuinely feel that Pachy should be 1hr 30min.
Makes no sense to take over 2hrs when Maia and Carno take same time as DIlo, 1hr 50min
paper oriole
??? baby rexes actually look like babies though, the gigas could use a tweak but the rexes are fine
shell willow
@grand brook This goes for carnivores that lived in packs, packs that hunted together I suppose. In the wild, a wolf hunting an elk or something for example, if the elk kills one of the wolves, they aren't going to just stop and eat their fallen packmate because food. They all have their preferred meals and if the time comes that they are really starving there might be nothing they can do, but if it is implemented it'll stack some support on the realism side of the game.
barren zephyr
how does a juvie rex model look like its adult counterpart?
misty island
Let everything else have a 2> hour growth, we need more food - rex
paper oriole
juvie rexes are one of the most 'baby animal' looking models in the game honestly
brisk mesa
Because their model isn't just a downscaled loli-fied version of adult
I;e juvi succ, giga, allo, cera, pachy, etc
Trex, Trike and Para have juvies that actually look like juvies.
Utah has a disgrace that's mutated and should not have been allowed to exist
leaden night
Even though juvenile Triceratops should have sub horns and ye
Every other juv is just downscaled adult with larger eyes
Excluding Giga
Who is Carcharodontosaurus with larger eyes
thorny lynx
and scoliosis
leaden night
Juv Giga is getting its own animations at some point
So hopefully that isn't an issue anymore
thorny lynx
Nah, the scoliosis is a model issue
leaden night
Nah, it's from the Giga rig not fitting the Car model
waxen elk
Actually, it happened when Giga got his new run animation
wintry cipher
grabby hands and begging/whining noises at Watt's juvie ideas GIMME
that shit would actually make me consider playing other dinos because of the unique experience from the get go
torpid wedge
im glad im not the only one who feels that way towards juvie utah model @brisk mesa
sweet bramble
My whole point with changing the models for the babies was that young animals have different proportions than their adult counterparts. Larger eyes, shorter faces, and smaller bodies. They grow into their adult features, especially with eyes, since those grow the least over the course of an animal's life. The trike's models do this really well, as do the Utah's. It's a design choice, and anyone's free to disagree, but it would be more accurate if they were not proportioned like the adults.
And when I played a baby rex recently, I felt it just resembled a tiny juvi, rather than what a hatchling would actually look like.
misty island
Ur talking bout mammals
Look at a hatchling croc or snake
Then look at an adult
Three? Four times their eyes grew
Wtf is up with auto correct today lmfao
sweet bramble
However, a baby croc or snake still has larger eyes compared to the head as a baby than they do as an adult. Eyes do grow, just not as much as the rest of the body.
misty island
Ya I know
But since you mentioned proportion
Scales matters
And I am trying to say
For most reptiles
Their eyes growth rate is larger than mammals
The size of our eyes don’t actually grow
Our eyes when we are 40 are exactly as big as the day we were born
sweet bramble
Right, it's definitely a more exaggerated effect in mammals
sweet bramble
But it is in birds, as well, which are dinosaurs
misty island
Apparently our eyes do grow
But it stops at the age of 16
And we talking about 2mm in diameter of growth
sweet bramble
It's not a lot
sweet bramble
Oops
misty island
But hey the thing is
We don’t even know their colouration
Nor they skin structure
Basically anything that bones and environment fossils couldn’t tell we don’t know
Which mean soft tissue and everything
So
sweet bramble
We actually do have some remains of that, and we've been able to fully color several dino species' feathers
misty island
There’s always a chance they have fully grown eyeballs
I thought we found bones with poles
That has residue of colour pigment
Not the feather itself showing what colour
sweet bramble
No, we've been able to look at feathers with electron microscopes, and find melanosomes, which contain pigment. Based on the size of those, we can figure out what color was present there in life.
Sinosauropteryx, Microraptor, and Anchiornis all have accurate full-color restorations now
misty island
So it’s not structures that forms colour but the microscopic formation structure of colour we found?
sweet bramble
Microstructures in the feathers are what give us colors
misty island
Ya
But
After that much amount of time for an organic matter to decay
I doubt you can still find the structure of it
I mean sure you can find the remains of the structure and hence proves it’s existence
sweet bramble
Sometimes you can't. It only works if the fossil is well-preserved enough.
misty island
But how it was did it have an extra compound resulting in different colour
No way we can know
Cus what’s left of it doesn’t mean that’s all of what it was
Usually the substance with the strongest bond would last
Not all of them
sweet bramble
Melanosome sizes correspond to different colors in birds, so it's reasonable to assume the same for dinosaurs
We don't have chemicals left, just impressions of the organelles that contained them
But that's still enough
misty island
Ya that’s what I thought
I doubt it
If you look at human
Blond people would have the same pigment with a person with black hair
It’s just a matter different in layers and amount
Besides are bird warm blooded doesn’t mean dinosaurs are too
sweet bramble
Scroll down to "In Fossils" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanosome
Back on the topic, fossils of baby dinosaurs and pterosaurs show they indeed had larger orbits relative to their heads than adults did
grand brook
@shell willow Dinosaur packs were not nearly as organized and as close as the family units/packs that wolves have, in most cases they were simply agregations of individuals that came together for a source of food. Even then cannibalism as I said was definetly not uncommon in dinosaurs, contrary to most modern mammals.
shell willow
Definitely not uncommon, but it wasn't an everyday thing they did because whatever
wintry cipher
Your also playing a person trapped inside a dino.
brisk mesa
@limpid dove It's planned
limpid dove
but what specifically
are they planning of bringing outside herbivores that aren't already added?
unborn quail
Stego is currently under development
brisk mesa
Hopefully Apex?
unborn quail
As far as we know, it could be both, but hard to say until we have more details
brisk mesa
Don't see the point adding Stego as a mid tier.
unborn quail
It'd be a waste of an animal
brisk mesa
^^^
unborn quail
Now, stego combined with locational damage, that's some good shit, for obvious reasons
limpid dove
oh yeah
that would hurt
I hope it keeps a similar attack power and fair bleed per whack
maybe not 1200
limpid dove
I hope itll be able to take out a rex in a fair fight
brisk mesa
#401464048610312195 would like a word with u Flaffy
Apexes are too overtuned to bridge that gap.
still temple
well yeah he's fukin shit now, but maybe once he gets his gimmicks
brisk mesa
Stego cannot fit in between reasonably.
He'll either decimate mid tiers if he has a chance against apexes
brisk mesa
Not apexes.
He shits on Allos, Suchos and the like.
But is shat on, conversely, by Gigas and Rexes
That's the issue balancing Stego
limpid dove
more health a nastier attack
brisk mesa
If he's made fair against mid tiers he's fodder for apexes, if he's made fair against apexes he's decimating mid tiers
Allos can't touch Stego rn, but Stego is doomed if a Trex wants to hunt it
That's poorly balanced.
But you cannot really fit it in between either.
So I'd rather Stego be 100% apex treatment
Maybe handled like Trike where it's weak enough to bleed where packs of Allos could hunt it.
But powerful enough to maim shit.
unborn quail
With how combat currently works, I would agree.
unborn quail
There's no room for true psuedo apexes to exist right now
brisk mesa
unless you tune down apexes
unborn quail
And even then thats not a permanent solution, granted nothing is, but there are ways to improve upon it
too bad we again, know diddly squat about the said things that could make it better
spiral pond
we should suggest a community balance/feedback group
limpid dove
stego would fit as an apex. it should heal bleed good like trike but have okayish resistance. lower health than trike, like 6000 roughly like rex, but still a high base attack. since its tail is its main defense, probably about 450ish plus maybe 10-15 bleed per hit that it does? it could probably act the same as the gore attack for trike, doing the same damage
brisk mesa
So for those of you who read my suggestion that Sargon linked from steam... You'll probably love what I did to Juvie Dilo
edgy furnace
upvoting own suggestion
@barren zephyr the isle to consoles will likely never happen
pulsar lake
Your juvi suggestion @brisk mesa is awesome
edgy furnace
its a lot of work and money
barren zephyr
Yeah but ive heard that about someother games
brisk mesa
Thanks Levi ❤
barren zephyr
It might be but consider it that it would be a worthwhile in investment because there's multiple people who can only afford console and that want to play the game
And most of the reworking to transfer would probably be graphics controls server possibly
edgy furnace
its not easy to make a console port
its just unlikely to happen they have to work on the main game
barren zephyr
Yes but look at ark it was in beta a long whike back on console and was coming to finish on pc so in the future its still a possibility
Like xbox has game previews
They can make a game preview later on
vagrant crest
Ark also has some big backing
spiral pond
Someone bless that man (Why Watt)
blazing charm
@glossy hornet There's a block button for a reason.
barren zephyr
i like it
cyan flame
Agreed
brisk mesa
Is there anything I could improve about it tho
brisk mesa
Juvie Dilo looks like a big heckin' lizard
Especially with it's short legs and long arms
barren zephyr
how bout when its younger it can climb faster and higher but as it gets bigger
its climb hight and speed is reduced
but increase its nv as it grows up
so it scales with the rest of its stats
sage helm
Lol accidentally posted my suggestion in feedback the first time
glossy tangle
lol
mellow maple
I want my Sucho to have a frame 1 jab.
If Charizard can't be good in ultimate, then at least I want a good dino main in the isle ;-;
inner valley
@icy tangle "i want to charge that juvi rex but what if it fights back instead of running? oh no, it could get me to first screen.. maybe i shouldn't attack at all? but i'm so hungry! i'm just gonna do it.. 3, 2, 1- damn! it walked away"
oak shale
@mellow maple tbh I actually like the idea of spot dodging
Maybe you could mix it up with some other mechanics and make it viable
Create a document to propose your idea perhaps
mellow maple
If Dondi makes the Isle into a fighting game.
Galli is the best dino in that cause kick is frame 1
I was memeing about it tho 😛
pale prairie
@valid ridge
hallow vigil
US 3 is messed up atm, for some reason it doesnt show when you have the official filter checked
pale prairie
uncheck the "official" box and just type "official" into the search bar
valid ridge
i mean. its still a valid suggestion to make XD but thx for the hint
hallow vigil
or type US
vagrant crest
Or just type official 🤷
shadow dirge
A fix I found after not being able to find servers myself is to go to your steam client, and top left click Steam -> Settings -> In-Game, and set the "In -Game server browser: Max pings / minute" to 500
@valid ridge
It'll take way longer for the server lists to load but it'll show every server every time
In my experience anyway
valid ridge
ill try that
shadow dirge
Lemme know if it works for ya!
torpid wedge
we see those tall grass in dv test so i think they’re coming
outer nebula
@glossy tangle ava are in survival, as ai. Any dinosaur they made into ai will not be a survival dino and since right now they are only adding dinosaurs that are different an ava might not fit the bill
barren zephyr
And to add onto that Avaceratops would basically be a worse Dryosaurus and we don't need another ceratopsian if we already have Diabloceratops and Triceratops
barren zephyr
Wrong place to ask
timid panther
oh sorry , just noticed it :p
outer nebula
Well they are ai ik it harsh to say but if you want to play as an ava go to a sandbox server. I said this any ai dinosaur they have will not be survival dinos to make it less confusing for the player base
versed blaze
@empty junco I wouldn't expect a dev kit until the game is done. There were issues with people stealing code for the game with the old dev kit......
empty junco
Yeah I totally understand, my interest is more in an API (I don't need any of the normal stuff involved in a devkit). Basically all I need is mapping for the keys and color values for each pixel.
And the ability in a local version to run as many instances as I want off one lisc
So if I want to run 50 servers and 3000 dinos I can
or even a special education / ML lisc that we could purchase that would allow that
outer nebula
@rich hemlock its a good idea for sandbox servers, however the point of giving dinosaurs 2 different categories so people dont get confused. if a gali one minute is eating a bush then decides "hey you know what i want to eat meat" they decide to kill a juvie herbivore right next to them in a herd, then people will no longer trust galis because at any moment they can kill them
brisk mesa
@rich hemlock Reason why the devs have said they won't do that is because it would make survival too easy
outer nebula
that too
rich hemlock
That’s understandable. But Gallis thrive being safe with bigger things. Killing carnivore children benefits them, the largers, and if the player decides to be stupid and kill a child in the herd, that causes their own death, inevitably.
outer nebula
yes but knowing how other play like they dont care if its easy access to food
rich hemlock
That’s where nutritional values could come into play.
brisk mesa
Poprock, it doesn't matter fundamentally.
The devs have addressed your idea in the past.
And have ruled it out even if they acknowledge it's realistic.
rich hemlock
Never seen that, but glad to know. Still think it’s a neat idea.
outer nebula
this game isnt really suppose to be realistic, they are going for more survival first and realism last
@barren zephyr herbivores do have an incentive to kill carnivores. so they dont die when the carnivores gets bigger
barren zephyr
that's true, I guess I'd just like the game to give me a pat on the back after I manage to overpower a carni
it's pretty hardcore to do and you should feel like it
outer nebula
well it is a survival game if you do kill a carnivore as a herbivore it means you succeeded at surviving
barren zephyr
Yeah I don't want to suddenly sprout wings and shoot laser beams
outer nebula
XD just wait for ptera then we can talk about laser beams
barren zephyr
Carpet bombing as strain ability
outer nebula
but im sure they will develop a way for those who survive the longest to get some reward kinda like the longer you live type thing
barren zephyr
Yeah I hope so
outer nebula
all i have to say is be patient and wait they got things planned and those things are great
outer nebula
yup want to talk more move to #401464048610312195
sage helm
Imagine how fun it would be to hunt as a galli
umbral prairie
gallis will go around kicking humans to death, even if they can't eat them xD
sage helm
True lol
Could tie in with affinity tho
Need to eat some meat but too much will lower affinity
But if you just dont eat meat your affinuty lowers (would take a long time for this to happen)
Galli rn is an omnivore in denial
outer nebula
@swift moon for now anky isnt that unique enough dino to be introduced to survival and they are reworking how bone break works
umbral prairie
I could see anky being a survival dino with dino collision, locational damage, armor values and bb rework but not now
shadow dirge
How is anky not unique enough @outer nebula ? There's no current survival dino that uses its tail for damage, and even if they added stego too, anky is blunt damage while stego also has bleed. Though I definitely agree they should wait for armor/bone break before adding the anky in, since it really isn't viable as is
outer nebula
okay im just stating facts
outer nebula
but as if right now their isnt an armor system right now, and since there is already a tail swinger coming to the game but that being said idk the plans of the devs im just relaying what people tell me
outer nebula
to be honest i rather have anky then stego because i want to be a land turtle
viral creek
@barren zephyr
If you're on official, nobody's stoppin ya from killing them.
D e m o l i s h t h e m
outer nebula
long as your not going around spawn points killing every juvie carni
barren zephyr
and sucho still stays at 30km while rex and giga both become faster
umbral prairie
I don't think giga needs a speed buff, I'd just slow rex down to gigas speed so rex can't catch giga without ambush
but giga doesn't fuck over mid tiers
spiral pond
yes lets make giga almost para speed and have its trot
great idea
nothing could go wrong
spiral pond
how about making it shoot lasers
barren zephyr
how about this
spiral pond
and make its ambush mult 2.0
barren zephyr
the giga spawns with a nuke that instantly kills everything on the server when its activated
barren zephyr
so that its safe when attacked from behind
outer nebula
ik you guys are kidding but please take this in #401470471750811669 or discuss the suggestions
barren zephyr
giga buffs are unnecessary.
it only has to worry about getting close to a rex.
outer nebula
yeah if the giga is a decent distance it can get away
spiral pond
giga is the best apex right now
since it can track down anything with few exceptions
unborn quail
Giga is literally immortal to anything that isn't a rex, with distance it can escape perfectly fine and Basically remains care free
If a rex is catching you it's either getting the drop on you, and at that point it doesn't matter whether it's faster or not; or, you're just not paying attention to how much distance you put between you and it
spiral pond
"but it cant destroy rex in 1v1, its bad cause it has 1 bad matchup in the game"
real kraken
#bufftheaustro
versed blaze
@real kraken Keep spamming.....
real kraken
Was that an order or.....? 😂
spiral pond
👀
versed blaze
Pretty sure you know what that means.
pulsar lake
I think these speed are perfect @barren zephyr but rex should have a good ambush like now. But if giga become faster than rex, we can decreased his trot speed so.
spiral pond
what could go wrong with giga having such good speed
where it outruns dibble and sucho again
umbral prairie
giga doesn't need a speed buff, but rexes regular sprint could be slowed a bit so it cannot catch up to giga without an ambush
waxen elk
Giga getting speedbuffed would nullify every mid tier
Rex just needs to get slowed down
And given some stam back
umbral prairie
nah stam is fine
unless you make it's ambush drain more stam than usual sprint, then a slight stam buff might be ok
waxen elk
Imagine making Giga just 1 km/h slower than Allosaurus and Parasaurolophus
Instant delete
And thing is
With Giganotosaurus, you have more stam and your trot is insane
leaden night
People being able to understand other's group chats when close seems a fine idea
viral creek
Giga has an insansely fast trot, long ambush duration and decently fast ambush. More stamina than rex. And an extremely fast alt turn, making it near impossible for him to be killed, except by rexes.
The last thing we need is a speed buff
sacred wyvern
uh
are there any more dinos other than utah galli para and giga or have u not finished it yet?
brisk mesa
We merely presented those as examples.
In fact those aren't all we'd want for Utahs, Paras, Gallis and Gigas, as far as potential choices go.
We merely presented 4 choice cuts per, on 4 different dinosaurs
We aim to be able to cater to playstyles we can't even think of.
Since dinosaurs may be suited to things beyond our PoV of what they should be used for.
We haven't discussed an ideal number, personally I'd view 5 generic, 5 playstyle-specific for each dinosaur. But that's just me, not discussed with David
violet magnet
@leaden night "People being able to understand other's group chats when close seems a fine idea"
....as in read other people's group chats, or...?
brisk mesa
Yeah, he's responding to an idea I posted earlier
Not my mega idea, a bit further up.
David & I were in a deathmatch and he pointed out how stupid it is that, if 3 Utahs are in a circle and 1 is in group, the other two suddenly do not understand Utah
leaden night
Basically someone in local would be able to understand people in group if they were right next to each other
brisk mesa
^^^
violet magnet
then what even is the point of having a group chat
mental sleet
there shouldn't even be one really.
leaden night
Group chat goes across the map
brisk mesa
Being able to speak over distance?
mental sleet
but it's still a thing for some reason.
brisk mesa
It also keeps thing less cluttered.
If YOU are in group, and someone else sees what you say pop up in local
you still aren't seeing local chat in group
keeps things tidier.
violet magnet
i plan hunts with my pack in group chat, now every other dino that's my species that's in local range can see it and the element of surprise is lost
brisk mesa
a) they hear your F calls
mental sleet
well yeah grievous
brisk mesa
so no element of surprise
mental sleet
you are literally talking really loudly
leaden night
^^
brisk mesa
I mean if you are standing infront of a pair of Allos
and planning to hunt them
I feel at that point you've more or less lost your element of surprise.
It just reduces potential for obnoxious backstabbing
violet magnet
and any secrecy whatsoever 
leaden night
Just move away from them
violet magnet
it's generic f calls it's not supposed to be an intelligible language
mental sleet
you are not being secret if you are screaming out loud while talking to your friends.
which is what it is in-game atm
brisk mesa
Your dinosaur is understanding the generic F call tho lol
It's the language of your species :P
Type in local that Dondi didn't press T for tarbosaurus. Allosaurus: wheeze sound plays
Other Allosaurus: "OMG SWARM THE FORUMS DONDI DIND'T PRESS T FOR TARBOSAURUS"
violet magnet
not secrecy as in "hurrdurr they'll never know i'm here! F-call!" secrecy as in "i'll go this way and distract you go that way and i'll run the prey to you so you can attack it"
lawd
brisk mesa
Why would that make sense? if your in a room full of people and say
leaden night
You make an f call either way
brisk mesa
"frank go shank the president, jake, you steal the briefcase"
violet magnet
yes...?
leaden night
Plus this is referring to same species
brisk mesa
Would they magically not understand?
violet magnet
it's literally just an mp3 file
leaden night
Said mp3 file is still the language your species uses though
brisk mesa
^^^
violet magnet
the language my species uses is discord voice chat or text in the text channels because this is a videogame
umbral prairie
-talks loudly with people in a specific language
-gets kicked from group
-rest of the group continues to talk loudly in the same language
'what are they saying?'
leaden night
^
brisk mesa
XD
That's our point.
The secrecy in group chat makes no sense fundamentally speaking.
violet magnet
again what would even be the point of a group chat if your group chat is broadcasted to everyone of your species within the local vicinity
umbral prairie
isn't local chat range like name tag range
violet magnet
i get your argument but just...why?
from a gameplay perspective?
leaden night
Group chat goes across the entire map
violet magnet
yes?
brisk mesa
Wherever they may be.
leaden night
Group chat is basically global but for only things in your group
violet magnet
that's a problem...why?
brisk mesa
Local only lets you see really close.
it isnt
We're saying that's the only benefit it would have
leaden night
Who said it was a problem
brisk mesa
And that's still a benefit
violet magnet
i spawn across the map because i just got killed when my pack was attacked by something, as i'm making my way back to my group i can scope out places that are safer or have prey we can hunt
mental sleet
And then you pull out your walkie talkie
and radio over to your friendly utahs that there's prey over here
violet magnet
other dinos will hear my f calls but they don't need to understand what i'm saying, just that "hey there's a thing i could maybe eat"
leaden night
So you just said why group chat is useful
violet magnet
i get that
mental sleet
are family
brisk mesa
If your juvie Allo died and spawned on the beach
Goes back into group
And walks past 3 adult Allos
Why wouldn't they understand what you are saying?
You are 10ft from them
As the same species
Talking.
violet magnet
there's a 50/50 chance they'll kill me anyway
leaden night
So what do you lose
violet magnet
nothing because i just spawned in
leaden night
If there's a chance you'll die either way
violet magnet
i can spawn in again and tell my group "hey avoid that place"
leaden night
What does this add to the argument
wintry cipher
rubs temples
violet magnet
same
leaden night
We're not saying delete group though
violet magnet
i get that
leaden night
We literally used its global nature as a use for it
wintry cipher
hot take: group should only be a visual distinction/name labeling. local should be the only chat
if you want to tell your friends that an area is safe, you have to go to them and deliver that message
umbral prairie
I mean group chat makes no sense in general, you can just talk loudly using the same sound everytime and somehow every group member can hear you from miles away, but it would still be something nice to have imo. I hate it when people talk like they're friendly in local telling me I can eat something off the corpse and as soon as I press E one of em runs up and kills me. I know I should expect people to kill me in this game but luring people in by retending to be friendly is annoying.
If you don't do that you have no real disadvantage if people can see what you're saying in group chat
brisk mesa
^^^
Anyways... changing from that suprisingly heated debate over a casual idea I tossed around
Any thoughts on David & I's co-lap?
leaden night
🤔
Stat buffs from being nested are fine really
It's only known benefits are slightly more convenient spawning and no tracking or something
The tracking one we have no idea about so
🤷
brisk mesa
Yeah, so giving a tangible reason to both nest, be nested and raid nests is a good thing
wintry cipher
also opens up different playstyles
brisk mesa
Yeah, Keit mentioned to me what kinds of stuff could be done with just those 4 Utah abilities.
It's pretty wild lol.
leaden night
Three Maia babs 
umbral prairie
I like pretty much everything about the proposed changes, I just see a little problem with the grassland biome. At least in the current state of V3, there are no real grassland area, just small treeless patches spread around the forest. If those small patches would count as grassland it would also not affect 'KOS-herds' since the forest is always very close to the grasslands. Not really a problem though as you can just add some grassland areas though.
brisk mesa
By grasslands I mean for example, the open spaces near pit, or rolling hills w/o tree cover
We are very fluid with the biomes, given how much they mingle
We talked about Meltwater for example.
umbral prairie
also the abilities you can get seem a bit extreme to me and alter the playstyle too much for my taste, I'd prefer some slight advantages in the general stats, maybe a very slight size increase, or some advantages regarding affinity, but that is probably just my personal preference, still all in all a good suggestion. We need more suggestions that are not just 'add this please'
brisk mesa
Near the shore of Meltwater would count as "cold/wet"
Because well, duh, it's a lake right?
But go up the steep slopes and suddenly you are in cold/dry
A mountain.
If you go downhill into the dense trees, you are back to cold/wet
So that would simply mean the Trikes in this case would not ever nest in the trees, or on the shore
They'd pick the dry area, if anywhere.
The Gallis would want to nest either in the trees, or along the shoreline
Pachies would be able to nest along the shore or in the forest, but their best option is up on the exposed hills
There are not really many hard biomes on V3.
So it's more like general habitats.
As for the abilities, we wanted to make nesting a way for you to revitalize how you play a dinosaur instead of it being the same old, same old.
The "generalist" tweaks are a lot like you suggest, they are an advantage but don't change how you play.
A jagged teeth Giga does nothing different than a normal Giga, except it's slightly nastier to go up against.
However an "overactive amygdala" Giga is specifically going to have MUCH better odds against a Trex
Given it would temporarily not limp around even when with a broken leg (like how people and animals, often critically injured, do not notice the harm they cause to themselves when severely wounded)
And would also fair better against Trikes because it has better bleed res.
It is a circumstantial ability, that would mean overall poor stamina regen and HP regen, making it less suited to endurance hunting or attacking sauropods... but it can mess up a Trex or trike
mental sleet
this also means you are far more succeptible after a hunt.
brisk mesa
^^^
That Giga makes the trade of having better odds of surviving a hunt / attack from a rival apex
But has to spend more time recovering after every hunt regardless how easy
leaden night
🤔
brisk mesa
Also imagine said Giga hunting on a hillside, it ambushes, breaking it's leg, but only would start limping after it stops moving, thus catching a Dilo anyways
leaden night
Why be in pain/10
violet magnet
should be a timer or something on how long the adrenaline boost lasts or else the giga would just never stop moving
brisk mesa
Yeah, it's temporary
I'm not completely insane.
Hell no to autowalk doom gigas
following you like the zombie horde
Anyways, I'll be working on Generalist & Playstyle-Specifics for everything, just for fun lel
I have a creative buzz today and it hasn't been sated yet!
brisk mesa
Uh sure?
leaden night
No
sage helm
Brainstorm some omnivore ideas 😛
brisk mesa
XD
brisk mesa
Ditto that idea isn't too terrible for a Playstyle Altering one.
leaden night
Perk buff things
brisk mesa
"Mad cow disease"
umbral prairie
why are there suddently multiple omnivore suggestions daily
sage helm
because they would be cool
umbral prairie
or were they always there and I overlooked them
brisk mesa
"can eat meat but you debuff affinity of nearby herbivores"
sage helm
Yes
leaden night
Also seems fine Watt
brisk mesa
yeah since you'd basically be becoming a carnivore lol.
leaden night
Other herbs wouldn't want to watch a Dibble just walk up and nibble some random ribs
brisk mesa
Exactly.
They'd be treated like Carnivores affinity wise
They wouldn't punish other Dibbles but
No mixherds for psychopaths
😛
leaden night
violet magnet
dibble is hungry
eats an oro ai
other herbis:
leaden night
But Nova, I want Galli to be a better pack hunter than Utah
Nah
Not normal corpses
Just ribs
blazing charm
Why do people even want Omnivores, other than just wanting something that is easy to find food for.
unborn quail
Because we all loved it when Dryo was also the branch off for carnivores in the olden days
brisk mesa
Carnivore Dryo conspiracy
God.
"hey i plan on going diablo, can u raise me"
returns as Allo
blazing charm
Then add Herrera, or some other small carnivore.
Fuckin, Ceolphysis or something.
There, there is your carnivore dryo
brisk mesa
Not what he meant lol
In progression, before velo, taco, etc were added
Everyone started as Dryo
blazing charm
I remember the Carnivore Dryo very vividly.
sage helm
Hey wanna pack with me?
noms
pulsar lake
It was fun, albinos carnivore dryo
thorny lynx
I wonder what a Compy would do
I mean, it's smaller than a velo
Yet people want to see one
edgy furnace
@hollow star safe zone?
hollow star
Or can dryos be omis
violet magnet
or you could...go somewhere else and find bushes?
violet magnet
do you mean the safezone in One In A Box? That area has always been notoriously bad for herbivore food spawns
one in a box has a safezone at twins
edgy furnace
Oh
edgy furnace
You should just move somewhere else where there’s more herb food no need to add more
violet magnet
the problem on Box is that outside the safezone is one big moshpit and people hang out just outside so they can kill people that leave, so people just stay in the safezone the whole damn time and don't ever want to leave
then complain when they start starving
still temple
suggesting things for non official servers in the official discord
misty island
The idea of Safe zone in a horror survival game is stupid
Play hello kitty land
The entire place is a safezone with animals running around
Well sort of
empty junco
I don't like the idea of a safe zone, but man 😦 Almost the entire map is a save zone already. If you spawn / are in one of the remote areas you can grow an entire apex and never see another soul
Only the central areas are busy
and have any risk
terse oyster
I am going to be streaming the isle tonight, if anyone wants to age a dino with me?
umbral prairie
@exotic dove the servers can't really handle more players atm, but I hope they will work on it so the map feels less lifeless
Main problem with humans are of course the guns, but small handguns will not do anything to bigger dinos like allos or rexes. Both heavier guns and their ammo will be rare, unwieldy, hard to carry around and inefficient against smaller dinos like utah or dilo, which are more of a threat to humans than rexes since they are faster and harder to hit. The heavy guns will probaqbly be very loud, possibly luring in smaller dinos. There will be some shitty players shooting rexes for fun but it won't be frequent (hopefully) since few people will get these heavy guns, and even less people will waste them on random dinos not doing anything against them.
terse oyster
its ok @umbral prairie I am going to stream fortnite by the looks of it.
edgy furnace
@harsh widget they’re coming eventually you’ll have to be patient
@terse oyster not the right chat for streams?
humble tendon
Please some one DM me when hitboxes etc. Fixed. Losed another dino to bite of air. I will stop playing isle until someone DM me. Good games.
edgy furnace
@humble tendon they’ll be fixed in a few months once the recode is done
Everyone has told you this already
But you refuse to listen I guess
south flower
Fixing hit boxes is more complicated than you would probably think, allo. It’s more than just... moving the hit box... (or is it? If I’m wrong I apologize!) When recoding is done, like you’ve been told multiple times, these issues may be fixed and improved upon. You just need patience.
mental sleet
@desert prairie did you not read any of the announcements related to ask a dev ?
mental sleet
essentially
versed blaze
It was cancelled.
mental sleet
they had to stop doing it because of the other dinosaur games ''taking notes''
mental sleet
no
just in general
they don't want people to steal their ideas then rush them out as garbage
which then they can claim ''I did it first''
unborn quail
Allo bleed is fine, Cerato's resistance, definitely.
pearl yoke
Allo is already balanced, Cerato needs its old bleed resist
craggy river
brisk mesa
Uh?
No, Cerato used to be something entirely different... a friggin beast of a mofo.
The bleed resistance was not why it was nerfed lmao.
It was changed from being a bizarre miniature Trex to being a fast scavenger.
However, Ceratosaurus' bleed resistance just basically leaves it as a meme playable against anything that can deal bleed.
Ceratosaurus gets a paper cut? Guess I'll just die
umbral prairie
@severe briar they're not working on sandbox dinos atm, they're not a priority and probably won't be for the next multiple months (I'd welcome more balanced sandbox dinos, but it will take time they could use for more important things), maybe suggest it again when they're working on sandbox dino balance
edgy furnace
^
brisk mesa
@fathom canopy But carnivores are prey animals lol. If carnivores sucked at eating other predators, than they'd never hunt anything well because herbivores are a minority of any given server
A nile crocodile would consider a nile monitor prey, even tho both are predators; a Jaguar considers a Caiman prey even tho both, again, predators
Also, the only more or less easy way to make carnivores avoid hunting other carnivores would be to either a) reduce food yield of carnivores or b) make all carnivores have shit bleed res and healing, so they'd prefer to hunt things that deal little bleed, like herbivores
desert prairie
Agreed never understood why people say cerato's speed is the good thing about it, it's speed is pretty garbage, I believe it was 36 kph?
sage helm
36 is faster than an allo at least
I do believe the devs dont want cerato to have a good ambush
Promotes more of a scavenging playstyle
desert prairie
Yes but there is also the problem that allo has more stam so it nullify's that statement.
and I rarely see anything kill something eat and leave
jovial blade
cerato ambush is pathetic lol
jovial blade
I almost never see cerato players anymore
desert prairie
they should swap allo and cera's stamina
jovial blade
Cerato still has good stam
desert prairie
Not good enough if an allo sees it
jovial blade
I dont think it needs a stam buff at all
fathom canopy
@brisk mesa I already suggested giving herbivores more of a reason to play instead of cow simulator
desert prairie
because allo is the most played dino, what is the point in growing something for 2.5 hours when you could get something so much better if you just wait another .5
primal copper
They just Need to buff the cera ambush Speed and duration, Right now its just bullshit for a dino beeing called „agile“
desert prairie
Its not even agile sadly
I want them to buff cera's speed to about 38-39 maybe
39 would be cutting it close to balance issues because it can 2 shot dilos
primal copper
The ambush should be between an allo and a dilo plus his weight to 2400 or his Hp to 2500 thats all his turn is almost godly another thing would be a slightly buff of bleed resist
unborn quail
His health and mass are fine as is. Bleed resistance is its biggest issue.
Ambush has been said to lean toward length rather than speed in the future, so we'll have to wait and see on that part
It already hits 40 km/h in ambush, buffing the timer to 12-15 seconds, while simultaneously lowering allo to 10-8 seconds should be sufficient
Giving cerato .1-.2 bleed resistance across all values will give it the survivability it's been said to have, top that with a buffed ambush timer and it becomes viable right then and there
unborn quail
Hence why you increase the time rather than ambush
To which was mentioned on stream
Make cerato an endurance ambusher compared to say, carnos endurance sprinter
It will be entertaining though, if Cerato were to receive these buffs, you'd then see people calling for a nerf due to how easily it would be to fuck over entire packs of utahs and dilos
unborn quail
I mean, hey, if it means better bleed resistance, then fuck ambush
I'll take an animal that has the resistance to do what it's been advertised to do over an ambush that does nothing for it without the other
leaden night
Same
unborn quail
But hey, in a best hope, we get both, in a preferential standpoint
Bleed resistance
torpid wedge
cerato just needs more stam than allo imo
unborn quail
And then you have the same issue people keep bringing up with Allo and cerato
And thats with cerato and dilo
Bleed resistance is the only real thing that changes the viability of cerato
All the things it's in danger of are either bigger or faster than it, and deal heavy amounts of bleed
What good is a faster ambush or more stamina when the moment one of these things touch you
Your on death row
edgy furnace
@lethal knoll high ai servers arent a thing
lmao
those are just to get players
and its called oros and tacos
paper oriole
vibrant colour chance would be cool but why bring identity politics into it?
we dont need neon rainbow dinos, but a chance at more vibrant colours would be neat
crimson pelican
no im being serious im part of the transgender community
paper oriole
i dont think you should be looking at a dinosaur game to represent lgbtq tho thats kinda silly
crimson pelican
no a company not a game
paper oriole
nothing against that community but it is silly
i do agree it'd be cool if we got some more vibrant colour chance from nesting though
but not neon rainbow dinos please
crimson pelican
never said rainbow neon
just a more vibrant color pattern
that mixes both genders
paper oriole
mixes both genders..?
paper oriole
so a hermaphrodite?
crimson pelican
not directly referencing lgbt
paper oriole
that's extremely rare
crimson pelican
yes
but a way to support it indirectly
k i see your not getting genetics or reality
paper oriole
i'll stick by my opinion that vibrant colours would be a cool perk to nesting but i think it'd be best to leave identity politics out of it. video games are supposed to be a way to escape from the real world and its drama
crimson pelican
you know what your close mindedness doesnt need to be stated
indigo sun
listen mate, I'm trans too but lets leave the LGBT+ out of dinosaur games
or at least, not implement stuff that's only for the use of "oh hey im gay that dino looks like a rainbow"
crimson pelican
your the one bringing politics into this now
paper oriole
he'll build a wall and make the herbivores pay for it
crimson pelican
right find a way to make me look silly have a nice day im not bashing you or your speech
if i had to guess from experience its the insucre ones that end up saying what they are
paper oriole
It has, i mean look at what's been done to star wars and what's going to happen to the MCU. it's being forced on media, video games should be left out of the mess
I don't think a fight i necessary here
crimson pelican
no fight is neccessary its immature
paper oriole
chance at vibrant colours form nesting would be neat
crimson pelican
yes it would
k not caring what your saying lowe you already showed your mental power and prowess and age 😛
paper oriole
identity politics don't belong in a dinosaur game (or most games for that matter) but the main suggestion on colours from nesting would be neat
crimson pelican
color nesting definitly
indigo sun
Infertility, like you mentioned in your suggestion, would absolutely suck, especially if the player is someone who is wanting to perhaps create more of their species in a pack or herd. So I find I can't agree with the idea of possible infertility
crimson pelican
well it be a low chance
crimson pelican
and based on actual things that happen to the animal kingdom
misty island
U don’t have a choice
crimson pelican
genetic diversity and mutation would be cool and be challenging
indigo sun
Either way, imagine you died and got nested by a packmate and you were gonna nest once youre an adult, only to find out Oh, you can't cause you've been unlucky enough to be sterile.
crimson pelican
because it would only be a breedable option
crimson pelican
its a low chance and unfortunate variation of manythings that can be added to it like xtra breeded stam or faster swim
misty island
If you are infertile you should be noticed the second you are born
crimson pelican
sorta like a way to make the game of survival more of a challenge and reward to get better stats
misty island
I mean ya sure it’s more realistic to find out after attempts but too realistic that it would take away portion of the entertainment
crimson pelican
the infertile option would be a low chance end of line but other mutations as well could happen
crimson pelican
that cause better states in th enext nest chance
misty island
Somewhere sometime in some random dondi clip
crimson pelican
oh cool
misty island
Lol
crimson pelican
k no one cares lowe your reading to much into it
misty island
Stop
crimson pelican
not important go play with your toys
indigo sun
Nothing you should both just ignore each other
misty island
If ur gonna argue take it to dm
indigo sun
So stop encouraging him
crimson pelican
thank upu nine
barren zephyr
Cease.
crimson pelican
and fargo
i agree
coversation evolved to where it shouldnt have this is about breedable mutations not hate 😃
indigo sun
Breedable mutations are definitely a neat idea. Makes me wonder if there would or should be a possibility for traits to pass on to young, and what the chances for it could be
crimson pelican
im done listening lowe have fun ttyl guys and happy hunting ^^
exactly nines
it creates way to have surivial not just about eating and water or pvp but a reason or ways to keep a dino alive and more invested interest spent
barren zephyr
Mutations idea isn't the worst, but in that particular suggestion it doesn't actually offer anything gameplay wise. It goes without saying that all people are welcome to play the game
crimson pelican
yeah but it was a way to bring up the topic with a [ersonal ide and have the idea evolve to what it did orginally getting suggestions to expand by using a bad real life example i guess 😛
but get the community to suggest ideas
misty island
What fairy is trying to suggest isn’t the how the mutation would work
crimson pelican
which evolved into a way better idea
dapper mirage
I mean, my question is.
misty island
Rather than the idea of having hidden loot boxes along breeding
dapper mirage
Why dinosaurs.