Just size
#general-feedback-discussion
jovial blade
sage helm
No
grand brook
they sort of are? have you seen the footprints of a dibble?
sage helm
You must not play enough
jovial blade
I do
sage helm
Or utah
jovial blade
There is few dinos
grand brook
or para
umbral prairie
most really look the same, just raptor and some herbi footprints are unique
jovial blade
That have unique foot prints
sage helm
Or dryo/gallie
jovial blade
Para has same as a apex @grand brook
grand brook
do they? even the front legs?
jovial blade
Not sure
jovial blade
Does front legs leave tracks?
umbral prairie
the front legs have unique ones
steady cosmos
yep
sage helm
Ye
jovial blade
I've only seen the back leg tracks
grand brook
good question
umbral prairie
but they are only there if you walk
umbral prairie
or if you turn while sprinting as a juvie
umbral prairie
the adult doesn't change to quadrupedal when turning for some reason
civic bloom
Big agree sammel
sage helm
Sizes
steady cosmos
Different sizes
sage helm
shapes too
civic bloom
Big AI would be nice
sage helm
We literally just listed a ton of dinos
jovial blade
Not really
sage helm
Your problem
steady cosmos
Learning footprings doesnt matter much, unless the feet are specific to the species
jovial blade
You named like 2
sage helm
are you kidding?
jovial blade
Or 3
sage helm
Dibble, dryo, utah, paras at times,
barren zephyr
It can certainly not hurt to know
sage helm
apexes are huge
jovial blade
So 3
sage helm
mid tier have size differences
grand brook
big ai scattered around the map is better than constantly mooing ava that drops essentially the same as an oro therefore making it useless
steady cosmos
Just learning how not to confuse yourself is the problem here
sage helm
not to mention other clues called sound
umbral prairie
ceratopsians and utahs have unique footprints afaik, and hadrosaurs when walking with their front legs
steady cosmos
seeing as its not that hard to tell enemy footprints from others
civic bloom
And monkizu. Let people ask things. New People are allowed to exist.
umbral prairie
the rest are all as good as the same
steady cosmos
the intervals at which they are placed is another thing
jovial blade
Lol what
sage helm
Monki why are you always so one sided about things?
jovial blade
They can ask what they want
And I'll Reply how I want
And it depends on how you take it
civic bloom
The whole "you're a predator you should know this by now"
steady cosmos
and be relentless to get your opinion across, even if its wrong
civic bloom
Like damn
sage helm
We never said that
grand brook
i did say that
jovial blade
Scroll up
grand brook
XD
jovial blade
See
grand brook
yes
civic bloom
Sorry kizu
jovial blade
All good
civic bloom
My thing still applies lmao
sage helm
oh
jovial blade
@sage helm because I'm strong about my opinions and I like to really challenge people
civic bloom
Nvm nvm
jovial blade
So that they may change my way of thinking
sage helm
But it just comes off as rude
You can challenge people
as long as you do it with respect
jovial blade
Yeah I may sound rude but I jsut like debating lol
grand brook
me too, and i'm ok with that monk
steady cosmos
Or just like trying to relentlessly get your opinion across
sage helm
I like to debate too as long as everyone acts civilized
civic bloom
^^
jovial blade
Well when you just give off a statement and give no chance to reply
sage helm
But giving solid proof and not even recognizing that proof but instead laughing it off comes across as rude.
grand brook
that is absolutely what I said yes
sage helm
Which are different but close
jovial blade
If a para and adult rex make same tracks there is no mechanic in game for me to see the difference unless I saw them or the para was walking
civic bloom
I mean yes a predator should know basic footprints to atleast tell between hadrosaur or ceratops. But its no harm in askin
sage helm
But the way he was saying it made it sound as tho none of the footsteps were unique
jovial blade
Most of them aren't
grand brook
it's not just about the tracks themeselves, it's following them, hearing the sounds around you, be alert
jovial blade
There is very few dinosaurs with actual unique footsteps
grand brook
f calls?
jovial blade
The difference is the sizes
grand brook
do they sound the same?
sage helm
Those still count as being different tho
jovial blade
We are talking about tracks
grand brook
so do steps?
jovial blade
They're still the same shape
steady cosmos
If you're tracking something you havent seen before, you should just quit tracking it
grand brook
it's in the sense of if you are not sure who made the tracks
jovial blade
So you cant tell what dino it is
grand brook
track them
steady cosmos
I mean seen in the specific scene
civic bloom
You shouldnt be able to tell the exact dinosaur from just tracks anyways unless you're a paleontologist but you should have a guess at what youre tracking.
steady cosmos
Its a stupid idea to track things that you havent gotten a proper profile on
civic bloom
Do they have unique footpronts?
jovial blade
Yes but not in game
civic bloom
Irl that makes sense but guess what
Were not utahraptors.
Were humans.
Im talking ingame
jovial blade
You can still have the foot prints match the dinosaur
civic bloom
Of course.
jovial blade
They sort of half did that
leaden night
Footprints range in size and shape
steady cosmos
You do notice having unique feetprints wont help much anyways
if you cant tell them apart from their size
civic bloom
You might not be able to tell between a giga or a rex but all you should know is its something big with and similar to one of those creatures
jovial blade
Yes we said that allready
steady cosmos
Seeing as most therapods have similar feet
grand brook
well anyways, i support the idea of taking avas of ai and making them playable
steady cosmos
I honestly just want a challenging dino
grand brook
no
civic bloom
What would yall think of the suggestion I made the "Defensive 3 call"
jovial blade
Highly doubt Herrera will make it
Also why would you match Ava with herrera
There is allready juvs
And small dinos
sage helm
Werent they working on tree climbing for when herrera gets into survival?
grand brook
small bleeding predator small armored herbie
jovial blade
Isnt that for velo
umbral prairie
they were thinking about climbing
steady cosmos
thats a proposal jacob
umbral prairie
but I don't think they worked on it
steady cosmos
As i said monk i just want ava cuz it is one of my favorites, i want it to be skin customizable, and to have a challenging life
steady cosmos
stego is coming
sage helm
I would like anky to be in it
umbral prairie
yeah with combat like it is now
jovial blade
Spino
sage helm
Anky only really had bone break on its side
grand brook
make it a bit more tough and honeslty it would just like the trike
umbral prairie
and back armor
jovial blade
Doesnt anky have more damage then a rex
umbral prairie
anky back armor would completely block any spino or giga bites
you would have to turn it over
grand brook
or atleast make them less damaging
umbral prairie
but you cannot just turn it on it's back because of the club
umbral prairie
why are you talking about current stats with current combat
when talking about anky getting added in the future
grand brook
yeah but they can run trough it
jovial blade
Rex does 1281
grand brook
therefore negating it's tail club
umbral prairie
yeah right now
jovial blade
Yes
grand brook
until they add colission, anky should not be in survival
jovial blade
If anky had bb
umbral prairie
it will definitely not be there before the new combat
jovial blade
Then it could go in now
grand brook
that too
umbral prairie
and it should definitely have bb
jovial blade
I hope acro makes it to survival
grand brook
i want that scene from walking with dinosaurs damnit
jovial blade
Acro is such a cool dino
umbral prairie
isn't acro going to be AI
grand brook
AI?
umbral prairie
idk for sure but that is what I heard
grand brook
what about some....theris?
grand brook
indeed it is
umbral prairie
theri would need some major changes
jovial blade
People complain how it's a glass cannon
But I dont ever see theri being able to tank much hits
It has no armour nothing
umbral prairie
that is what a glass cannon does
jovial blade
Its literally a turkey with huge claws
grand brook
it's not supossed to, it's essentially a big fluffy bird with katanas on it's arms
umbral prairie
not having much health, that is why it is glass cannon
jovial blade
Yes but everyone complains
umbral prairie
yeah because of the cannon part
jovial blade
I know why it's a glass cannon
umbral prairie
because it's damage is so good, plus it is way too fast imo
grand brook
i wouldn't mind, personally because dilos are also glass cannons and people don't bitch about them half the time
umbral prairie
because dilos don't run down apexes
grand brook
and in alt turn servers too if they are coordinated
umbral prairie
yeah I know you play no alt turn, but that doesn't count since no alt turn will go
jovial blade
Still dont see how alt turn will help that much
grand brook
and apex night vision is garbage
jovial blade
Yep..
grand brook
good thing though
jovial blade
You only see dilo when it's about to bite lol
I feel like utahs should get better nv
umbral prairie
why
jovial blade
But not as much as dilo
umbral prairie
utah is day pack hunter
jovial blade
Arent their nv the same as apex
grand brook
utahs and gallis
umbral prairie
dilo is night pack hunter
grand brook
no they do see better than apexes
jovial blade
I feel like having utahs hunt at night would be a good touch
grand brook
but not nearly as good as a dilo
umbral prairie
it feels smaller as apex because you're bigger
jovial blade
Its so annoying going through trees trying to stalk prey
And your body has to be out
In order to see
And that's your cover blown
umbral prairie
imagine realistic first person, so rex has 3D vision and things like spino that have side facing eyes having 2 different screens
and you'd have to hold your head sideways to see what is in front of you
barren zephyr
dilos on no alt thenyaws......
jovial blade
Lol that was me
I'm thengaw
I was giga
1 dilo got me to 2nd screen
I couldn't bite it for ages
It just ran in trees when I tried sprinting after it
And thenyaw it's just a shit ton of trees
grand brook
i mean if people growing apexes so easily it's only fair that hunting them would be as equally easy XD
jovial blade
8 hours isnt easy
grand brook
8 hours afk
umbral prairie
that is dumb
grand brook
yeah i agree sammel i was just fucking around
jovial blade
Apex is pretty easy to grow if you get in a pack
grand brook
correction
umbral prairie
also alone
grand brook
6 houts
sage helm
That is the quality of most suggestions we get lol
umbral prairie
I can never tell if someone is fucking around since there are so many bad suggestions, and I can never tell if it is supposed to be a joke or not
barren zephyr
apex growth should be 7hrs imo
umbral prairie
like growth for humans
jovial blade
I mean you can just sit in most places in v3 and make it to sub without finding 1 person
barren zephyr
and all subs should be as good as rex's
grand brook
i was joking about the dilo thing
sage helm
There should just be some sort of rite of passage to make it to apex
umbral prairie
or having a shitting mechanic and if dinos step into the feces it sticks to them making them visible using scent
barren zephyr
so it encourages less afking
jovial blade
Lmao
umbral prairie
there are so many dumb suggestions
paper oriole
shit on a body to make other predators sick if they eat it lol
barren zephyr
have u heard about my diarrhea suggestion😳
paper oriole
then they shit everywhere for 3 hours
sage helm
now I am interested
paper oriole
mild diarrhea
grand brook
oh boy
sage helm
honestly dung would be a cool way to track I guess
barren zephyr
it would be fucking awesome
jovial blade
Unique new dino shits in bodies so you eat and then die a day later and it eats you
sage helm
Like if its raining since you cant smell you can see dung instead and know someone was there
barren zephyr
i wanna see some shit
sage helm
but not know where they were going
jovial blade
Yes along as there is shit
paper oriole
shit in a pond to contaminate it and make everybody sick
jovial blade
Its a win
jovial blade
Spino tactics
umbral prairie
imagine a new player finding diarrhea and wondering if it is mud or diarrhea
paper oriole
suchos who eat the dead fish from the shit pond will suffer mild diarrhea
jovial blade
grand brook
yeah pterano will legit be fun
umbral prairie
'the shit pond'
grand brook
just hope it sticks to ai and fish
jovial blade
The map will look so amazing in birds eye
umbral prairie
not really
jovial blade
Oo and nest on cliffs
grand brook
that too
umbral prairie
the map looks very weird from above, especially all the 2d patterns on mountains
paper oriole
well part of the recode will probably patch up some of the visuals and textures
jovial blade
I'll be a troll
grand brook
also please make dad dinosaurs matter, what is this asexual garbage we have now?
jovial blade
I'll fly around apexes
paper oriole
shit on the apexes
grand brook
i want my own kids damnit
umbral prairie
if pteras come before collision they can troll big dinos like they used to
20 quetzals pecking a pue to death
jovial blade
I wonder what quetz will eat
Maybes juved
Juves
Maybe*
Can a quetz take in a Utah tho
umbral prairie
quetz might be dangerous to low mid tiers or subs
jovial blade
Quetz Is pretty light though
umbral prairie
it has a long neck to peck fast
umbral prairie
I mean a utah pouncing a quetz back could kill it
grand brook
i thought they scrapped the quetz?
jovial blade
No
umbral prairie
but a quetz hitting a utah with it's beak would kill the utah
umbral prairie
quetz would need a remodel to be in surv
paper oriole
flyers will probably have shit bleed resistance due to thin skin, hollow bones. they aren't durable
jovial blade
Was amazing
paper oriole
they will probably scavenge, pick off juvies, maybe fish
grand brook
pteranos were essentially pelicans
umbral prairie
quetz would take on bigger things, but not if they are in packs
grand brook
quetz is more like a marabou stork
umbral prairie
quetz would get fucked by 2-3 utahs
jovial blade
At max I see quetz taking on juvs
grand brook
scavenger but also capable of killing small things
jovial blade
What sub can quetz take on
grand brook
any news on the affinity system?
jovial blade
Maybe
umbral prairie
imagine pteras being able to lift up things like in jp, pteras flying around with humans
would look so stupid
grand brook
it certainly would
jovial blade
Aren't pterandon super dmall
barren zephyr
ark ptsd
grand brook
specially since they are trying to make it somewhat accurate
i would be a shame
*it
primal carnage ptsd
umbral prairie
I always wonder how irl pteras hunger was like, I mean it's stomach is very small and it needs quite some energy to get up into the air
sage helm
I would think they would glide most of their life like larger birds
Cause they could probably drink while in the air and fishing would be in the air too
But this probably belongs in #paleotalk
umbral prairie
yeah true
grand brook
drinking and fishing should be the moments where you are vulnerable
lethal sparrow
Commenting on both Genesis' hatchet-head suggestion and Wheats' sauropod restraint idea for Allosaur; both of these are very good.
Although from an animation standpoint, the overhead teeth hatcheting is a little too indistinct from biting- you could tweak the current bite animation to have a similar whipping head motion of course- the resistance of its skull and the underhand headbutt make interesting food for thought.
I'd already been thinking about Ceratosaurus and its aggressive honey-badger nature, plus its display crests, making for a good excuse to have some kind of blunt trauma attack for credibly dissuading bigger predators without allowing it to go full Ceratorex and actually kill them. For Allosaur, attacking using its sharp display crest would be a means to try to cripple prey that it isn't confident in immediately biting to death or reliably bleeding out, but is confident enough in getting a possible bonebreak in during its limited initial attack window.
For tackling prey above its weight class, having a raptor like latch ability against sauropods is a no brainer for Allosaur. But with the way Allosaur is built, it can be more versatile than that, as its arms and the lesser weight put onto its legs make it credible that it can engage in something not dissimilar to raptor prey restraint against small to medium sized herbivores; one foot on the ground, another on the rear to mid spine if the prey is small enough, both claws sinking in and with the teeth going for repeated aggressive tearing bites. Depending on prey size, this could be a hard root pinning attack, or a heavy movement restriction.
tl;dr Allo headbutts are good, Allo pseudopounce is good. Having these fits into the generalistic jack-of-all-trades niche Allo is meant for, because it means he has a swiss army knife of hunting tools for various prey under various circumstances.
sage helm
Whoa
grand brook
i'm genunely concerned about the raptor latch ability
sage helm
I would like a blunt force attack for cerato but more of a side attack instead of head butt
Its not going to be like utah where it is hanging 10 feet off the ground
its ideal prey would be camara
grand brook
how are you going to shake them off if they jump on your back?
lethal sparrow
Sprint? Turn back & forth rapidly? Mash a button?
grand brook
it's the utahs that worry me the most
sage helm
There was a rearing animation shown for shant
for when utahs pounce it
and I think you will be able to bash it against trees
lethal sparrow
I'm in favor of raptor latching as a kind of back door for the full grappling system, honestly.
grand brook
but it feels so op for such a small dinosaur
maybe it's just me i don't know
but playing as medium size herbie...
grand brook
that's a given
sage helm
But eventually it will probably be only effective in a pack
and there was talk about a "stun" for a failed pounce where you would be vulnerable for a second
so it sounds like it wont just be a jump and mash type thing
grand brook
ok that makes it a bit better
lethal sparrow
I'd say bone break could be a real risk for failing a pounce as hard as possible.
grand brook
that is, you should give raptor to the most vulnerable ones to utah predation, maias and pachys
*bonebreak
sage helm
It would be interesting if a "cutscene" type thing happened where utah would get a prompt to click to attack and when needed press a button to cling on or move. and a herbi would get a prompt to click to thrash or go near a tree and bash up against it. When the herbi bashes against a tree the utah has to press W or the respective key to climb to another part of the pounced dino to escape getting thrown off or smashed by the tree. The utah would also have a bar that when it gets too far to the side would kick the utah off. you would need to press a button to get it back to the center but would stop attacking for a second.
Thought of that literally 2 seconds ago
Idek if any of that makes sense to anyone but me
teal grotto
@grand brook a tier bonebreak that only effects up to certain tiers of dinosaurs
grand brook
exactly
teal grotto
Tier 0 only effects tiers 0 and 1 but tier 2+ have no effect
I know what your talking about
Apexes Rex should still have it but the lower tier dinosaurs yes very high chance.. But the high tiers it should at most have lower then the chance that it is now.. But against other apexes like giga should be at most like 10% chance Rex should keep its current slow speed but should regenerate stanima like the giga but not as much as the giga.. But that's just my point of view.
Say regenerates 0.25 to 0.50 stanima on the move every 5 to 10 seconds the giga regenerates 1 point every so often.
civic bloom
Being able to save 2 different dinos would be fun
Have a herb and a carni save per server
teal grotto
Yep that too
barren zephyr
We even threw out the suggestion of $5 or $10 per extra charcter slot to make up for us not buying multiple copies to have multiple dinos per server.
Itd be nice for sure.
torn thistle
Ally, the reason about Shantu is that it's not really a primary focus for the devs to rework atm. Camarasaurus, on the other hand, is.
When it's Shantu's time, it'll get updated animations, newer model, and a stat rework to better suit Survival than it currently is. But in the meantime we just gotta wait.
supple lantern
Ok
barren zephyr
You guys need to add a hypo allo
lethal sparrow
It is.
He's a big Maiasaur sized bastard with an Indoraptor kind of back-facing claw thing going on. And can open doors.
sage juniper
when are these goign to be playable, its been years
lethal sparrow
🤷
paper oriole
as for the hypo trike, i think hyperendocrin strain could work for the bulkier, slower hebis, but we don't want weaponized herbis rampaging around and running people down for fun
but slower ones who could be built entiely for devastating defense and durability would be great
lethal sparrow
I imagine it's a matter of their modeling, texturing, coding & rigging people being able to get their respective jobs done faster than the job of getting the metabalance & mechanical coding ready for their implementation.
blazing charm
@oak hedge Therizinosaurus' claws weren't serrated, or built for slashing. Not to mention you'd have rebalance the entire animal if you gave it bleed.
torn thistle
Pretty sure Theri had bleed when it was first added for a while.
There's a reason why it was taken away.
coarse shell
@barren zephyr carcharo isnt even in the game
barren zephyr
Yea ik but it could be a hypo that doesn't have to be a dino that the public cant use and only the devs can use
coarse shell
whats ur reason for having it
a hypo without a dino to come from makes no sense
esp when the original thing isnt in the game
lusty terrace
Wasn't carch originally meant to be a skin for giga anyways?
coarse shell
yeep
lusty terrace
Idea doesn't make a lot of sense when you spend all that time, money, and effort just to have it permanently locked for devs to use rather than adding something beneficial everyone can get/use
indigo sun
i cant imagine isle players would be too happy to have something permanently locked for them, too.
barren zephyr
All the hypos are locked and they dont care
versed blaze
They are coming to the game, patience folks
lethal sparrow
I think giant turkey claw laceration wounds should have more bleed than zero.
versed blaze
Remember this is still Early Access and under development
lethal sparrow
However, it probably shouldn't be a whole lot since they aren't serrated.
Maybe something like Cerato's crappy 8 bleed?
barren zephyr
Yea that would be nice
oak hedge
Ok but a lot of creatures don’t have serrated teeth but do bleed. But I see what you are saying
barren zephyr
Is fred dondi
versed blaze
No
paper oriole
Carcharodontosaurus is a neat dino but what role would it really fill? and making a hypo of a dino we otherwise don't have access to, with the hypo itself also being off-limits seems a waste
lethal sparrow
It's a Giga skin now, isn't it?
paper oriole
i mean it basically would be giga 2.0
lethal sparrow
The idea of having skins like that is a little odd, honestly.
Either the species skins have split matching capability, making for an odd fashion based redundancy.
Or they're capable of crossbreeding.
Giga-Carcharo. Rex-Tarbo. It'd be weird, but excusable I guess.
paper oriole
yeah i mean maybe way in the future there could be 'skins' for dinos like that but right now i don't think it'd really fit in
modified versions of rex/giga/camara/anky(et) for things like tarbo rex or pawpaw anky that wouldn't be as costly to make as building a dino from scratch
lethal sparrow
Could be the 'skins' are for AI equivalents to player dinos?
Helps with target identification, lets you know what you're in for.
paper oriole
that would be a nice way to add variety as well without looking at an AI and being stuck thinking "is that a player or not?"
edgy furnace
@barren zephyr makes 0 sense the dinosaur isn’t even in the game as a normal dinosaur and why would you want content locked to only devs
jovial blade
Smh
ocean vortex
@edgy furnace I want those good days of Humans and Hypos in Sandbox back 😦
server admins can disable players picking them anytime too, so it's not going to ruin the game or anything
gaunt parcel
@ocean vortex id like to see that too
umbral prairie
hypers in sandbox will definitely ruin the feel of hypers, you will see them so often that it's going to be 'oh, a hyper' with the same feeling as seeing like a rex or sth, not anything special
I hope they won't be in sandbox tbh
gaunt parcel
Hopefully just the test humans to keep people entertained ^^
But you're right with the hyper in sandbox thing, very true, didn't think about that
umbral prairie
this might be a less popular opinion but I think even hypers on unofficial survival should not be a thing, since admins could sell hyper lives and the 'pay for lives' thing many servers already have will be worse than it is now already. Maybe the devs can activate reaching hyper the way you will on official survivals on unofficials of people they trust and of people they know will not make a stupid 'pay for hyper' thing or let their admins constantly play hyper. I would really like trying hypers out the easy way (like in sandbox or as server admin) but I think it is better if they continue to be very rare.
dreamy basin
Is there any plan to increase server cap, or add some more voice channels to the dicord? I think the discord link should pop up when you log in. I like a bit higher cap, and making the discord a bit better with dino groups or a group finder and where people see it would bring more people to official, maybe. I like official because there aren't any sandbox dinos in it. However, unless you play during the day there aren't many people on. I play on IGParadise and i wish official had the player count IGparadise does. Official has better ping and no shenanigans.
jovial blade
What the is the point in all the hypos and strains if we cant even play it
I think hypos need a big nerf and make it super hard to achieve
Hours to achieve jsut isn't enough this should be pure luck
A super super small chance of getting the strain some how
umbral prairie
yeah strains should probably be so hard that you only do it once per dino every couple of months because it is so hard and unlikely to even get it and almost not worth it to do it often
I don't think hypers need a nerf though
they just need their hyper hunger, which they don't have at the moment
and more unique stats, with hyper giga easily bleeding sauropods out solo and in a matter of a few minutes, hyper rex one shotting almost everything (including apexes, just not sauropods unless it bites their necks), hyper carno having crazy speed and being able to use it's horns for ramming etc
I don't know what hyper spino would do
hasty parcel
smack you? 
umbral prairie
yeah probably
I mean crazy high bite force, high speed or crazy high bleed don't really fit hyper spino
maybe it specializes in catching whales
hasty parcel
I also think it has trample
sacred wyvern
yea
btw
hypos arnt meant to live that long so isnt it a waste that they take that long to get?
mental sleet
they are entirely optional
thus only people who want the power will attempt them.
or people who want to learn more about the lore probably.
hasty parcel
or just want to scare their friends
sacred wyvern
so what if u get a hypo do u get a message to kill all o3o
lament thorn
no you kill all to survive a little longer
hasty parcel
Pretty sure the incentive for it is the hunger drain
Try your best to survive as long as possible
sacred wyvern
im more of a magna/tisso boi o3o
blazing charm
@sacred wyvern Any creature, or anyone that relies on nocturnal hunting is basically screwed then.
blazing charm
Would've helped to specify
sacred wyvern
tru
blazing charm
@clever hatch First of all, intellectual property, second why waste so much effort on an April Fools joke when the team is currently preocupied with more important manners, and is already small enough as it is.
clever hatch
It was more of a joke of a suggestion and wasn't to be taken seriously
blazing charm
You aren't supposed to post joke suggestions
clever hatch
We're not supposed to joke about a lot of things but we do.
sacred wyvern
@pulsar lake
blazing charm
@pulsar lake Regarding the first thing, I can kinda see that being abused, quite a bit. Using your rex example, what is stopping me from playing a scavenger lifestyle, having a VC pal go plas as a "hunting" Rex and then the two of us just team up and curb stomp everybody else?
As for the second thing, I am really unsure of what it is supposed to be, as far as I know corpse guarding might negatively affect your affinity, but I think spawn camping might be solved with that whole "aerial drop" spawn system that was mentioned way back when.
sacred wyvern
i live by the beach alot but dont kill juvis at all
blazing charm
Oh yeah, the beach thing would basically screw with most, if not all semi-aquatics.
sacred wyvern
i like to grow at the smol docks
also there is a button to press a parashoot o3o
its B
pulsar lake
This can be not a super buff but something like al little for the play style.
You don't get 2x more stam because you are a rex who hunt frequently but something like 5 seconds more.
And yes if you don't spawn kill and you live at the beach yes it's not nice for you.
So it can be if you kill a guy who spawned 5 minutes ago because if it's less minutes the guy can just wait and kill you after.
blazing charm
A buff is still a buff, plus I feel like you completely missed my point. Both of those "play style" oriented buffs would still be awful when combined together
pulsar lake
Yes I forgot this
But wait
With the "natural pack limitation" you cannot have many membres
And if your friend scraveng
You scavenge too technically
So both of you are affected by this
blazing charm
You can easily just avoid each other, being on seperate parts of the map, meeting up once you have the "playstyle buffs"
sacred wyvern
what if its a pack thing and doesnt matter of ur distance
pulsar lake
Right carno
blazing charm
How would it decide though? What if one player was hunting, and the other was scavenging?
It would have to prioritize one over the other.
pulsar lake
The stay normal rex like at your adult stage spawn
blazing charm
...What?
mental sleet
Wouldn't it be better for playstyle buffs to be left to perks rather than the affinity system ?
blazing charm
Lil bit offtopic here, but I genuinely hope the perk system isn't just stat buffs.
spiral pond
Affinity would probably do debuffs rather then buff to stats
pulsar lake
If one guy in your group is an hunter and the other one is a scavenger, the experience will be mixed and you stay like the actual rex. No seriously I need to see what is wrong, it's why we have this channel.
And yes this can be the leader group who chose the play style.
mental sleet
but why affinity, why not leave it to perks and personal selection ?
sacred wyvern
how would u get perks though?
mental sleet
that's another conversation topic in it of itself.
But yeah, the more you complicate affinity the less its effectiveness
if you had specific stat increases/reductions for specific behaviors it would be nearly impossible to code
and it would 9/10 not do its job right
blazing charm
Isn't the whole point of Survival to find some kind of niche playstyle? Either these playstyle buffs wouldn't make much of a difference, would only overcomplicate balance or would just be better off for a different playable
sacred wyvern
would strains even have affinity
mental sleet
probably affinity requirements get lowered a peg as a strain
all you will be doing as hypo is killing, after all.
white torrent
Killing, eating, resting. Rinse and repeat
Also, I don’t think anything should get a “buff”. And especially not the trex, of all creatures, even if somehow temporary. Life is supposed to be constantly difficult, just because you hunt a lot, doesn’t make it somehow easier than the guy who doesn’t
mental sleet
A buff was hinted at multiple times by Dondi.
Need a stream clip, but I recall him talking about how a maia who raised other people's kids would be better than a regular maia due toa ffinity
sacred wyvern
maia can migrate better tan dryo o3o
lament thorn
yeh i remember hearing about getting buffs and i think even perks? for following along with affinity and what your dino wanted
wintry cipher
I do believe I heard Don talk about one perk which was to not lose Stam while dragging bodies. So maybe they will be utility
white torrent
It can juke carno’s all day, cerato and allo have jack shit of a chance at catching one, and Utah’s get fucked
wintry cipher
Like a mother giving a 20% growth boost near her young
white torrent
Oh, well that’s not what I meant.
mental sleet
Keit coming in with the Perk derail
wintry cipher
Reeee it was a little higher up the convo q.q
mental sleet
xD
white torrent
I meant like, there should be no speed, damage, or stam buffs to hunters
Just because they hung
*hunt
wintry cipher
Reading what I missed
wintry cipher
Checking something. I'm psure affinity works like a scale. Notice the 6 bars? You start in the middle, then go up or down and as your affinity gets higher you get more quests to complete to maintain high affinity maybe. This system rewards active players with 3 selectable utility perks, and punishes those with lower and lower affinity with less quests. And maybe a randomly selected combat nerfs.
wintry cipher
Naw but I feel I'm fairly close to what they plan in that regard given what I've seen and heard about it. But that's just me guessing.
Because at Rock bottom affinity, you might be albino with shit stats
So how would that look in game is how I put all that together
mental sleet
not a bad guess.
but we haven't heard about perks for awhile now, it probably has changed
torpid wedge
that dog is photoshopped lol
and he looks downright silly
i dont think you should get dumb colors for nesting
thats actually the only reason i dislike being nested
flint rune
Oof sorry lol I didn't know the dog was photoshopped my bad, I'll change it
lament thorn
so basically random chance to be piebald?
white falcon
@pulsar lake for the stuff about corpse guarding: they are going to do something with the DNA bar that adds stress and being near a corpse as a herbivore would probably be really stressful
flint rune
@lament thorn no just a random chance to be your parents color with any color mutation
lament thorn
and what are these colour mutations? you only gave 2 examples
blazing charm
That just sounds like it would lead to so many god awful looking skins.
flint rune
etc
and as for the chance we get awful skins, 1: that would be up to dondi since he is the creator. 2: I think someone suggested that we can select with our parents skin colors along with the rare mutation that you might get
white falcon
Maybe you can pick a mix of colors from your parents (skin selector) but if you get a mutation that slot is locked to whatever color it may be- if it’s a bright pink mutation your back is bright pink suck it up
flint rune
Lol
blazing charm
Gonna be honest, most of the creatures you listed would be kinda redundant, even as AI.
The only ones I really see having any kind of potential would be Diplo AI, Iguanodon and Kentro. I only say Kentro because they already have a model, albeit a very old one.
hasty parcel
Fairly certain Majungasaurus was replaced with Rugops
iirc
as for four-legged carnivore, Deinosuchus @rocky shale
even though it would be cool to have some more, yes
white falcon
I just thought of a thing for mutations: once females stop being asexual if there’s a pair of parents with mutations those mutations combine/have a greater chance of staying
rocky shale
Im talking more land based.
hasty parcel
Well, you didn't specify that
rocky shale
better?
hasty parcel
yes
mental sleet
@brisk mesa where is my pachy 30 minutes dawg
brisk mesa
Lol
mental sleet
bout as much of an impact in the ecosystem as a dryo tbh
brisk mesa
How about no?
mental sleet
its true
brisk mesa
But it's not lol.
mental sleet
it dies to literally everything on the carnivore roster.
brisk mesa
It can kill Dilo and Utah, juke Carno, escape all the others.
Yes 2 Utah bites bleeds one out, if patient...
blazing charm
I doubt the development team is going to be taking any suggestions on Strains, considering how they are important to the Isle' lore.
Even then, most of the strains are just some altered form of a Hyperendocrine (Which by the way, slapping "Rendocrin" at the end of something doesn't really mean anything) and the first one just sounds like what a Tissoplastic is supposed to be, except it glows for some reason.
mental sleet
Have you seen how pitiful its bleed resistance is, watt ?
brisk mesa
but that requires smart Utahs
Yes I'm aware.
Hence why I shaved so much time off of it.
And increased the time on Maia.
next nexus
ur strain ideas are shite
brisk mesa
^^^ they really are shite lol
mental sleet
Also you gave a lot of time to diablo adult, which I find odd
brisk mesa
It's moreso I relocated the time from juvi to adult, David
mental sleet
transfered*
brisk mesa
Juvi Diablo is a pitifully slow little nugget that survives by being adorable.
Nobody can really debate the contrary, 50% of the time I see them get spared by predators out of pity.
mental sleet
and you do recall that starting adult diablos have 115 N
whilst the fully grown ones have 350 N
mental sleet
you just unintentionally widened the useless margin.
brisk mesa
We all know this.
mental sleet
because you increase the adult timer.
mental sleet
its 40 more minutes between the 115 and the 350
still temple
the only time I managed to get to adult diablo was when a dilo spared me lmao, juvi diablo is painful to play as
mental sleet
it has much more of an impact than the 40 juvi minutes
brisk mesa
No, because that 40min of juvi is unable to defend itself or run away from anything.
At least a fresh adult Diablo can move around, intimidate things.
mental sleet
intimidate
brisk mesa
I'd rather make Juvi Diablo half as painful and make adult Diablo take slightly longer before it's full potential.
Substantially lesser evil in my eyes.
mental sleet
Meh, I still do not agree, but back to reading.
brisk mesa
Aight.
mental sleet
I am surprised you did not lower para's growth time considering its current state.
brisk mesa
There really wasn't room to do so and quite frankly the reason Para's state is so bad is moreso compared to the other herbivores in the roster.
There's no bad playables rn except Cerato in my eyes.
Some aren't worth their time... like Para isnt based on current growth.
mental sleet
The trike changes are ambitious, to say the least.
brisk mesa
But with Maia taking so much longer than previously, it makes it plausible.
And yes, trike's change is possibly the most controversial and extreme.
But I understand the positive impact Trike's have on the environment, and growing them is the most arduous process in the current game.
Herds form around Trikes, it's more or less of a natural occurrence.
Furthermore Trikes have an overall very, very limited potential to grief atm, so I felt it wouldn't be too bad to make their growth time substantially lower than the apex carnivores.
mental sleet
What I consider ambitious is not the sharp decrease in growth time
but where you took the growth time from
you straight up cut sub trike's growth by half
umbral prairie
I don't think trike needs such a big decrease in the growth time, it will probably be indirectly buffed with the combat rework and, even if it cannot really run down anyone, more trikes (and with that kind of changes it will be way more trikes) would take up quite much of the herbi population, plus they could defend the other herbis, making most herbis unaccessible food for carnivores
brisk mesa
"inaccessible food" is a bullshit statement and you know it.
still temple
when combat rehaul comes, trike should take less dmg when attacked from the head
mental sleet
Apart from that.
umbral prairie
yeah I know, I just don't see why they would make these drastic changes when most things will need to be rebalanced soon anyway with the upcoming mechanics
mental sleet
I do quite dislike how you gutted utahraptor nesting
Soon is a small word for the time we might have to wait for the recode
a very small word.
brisk mesa
I didn't gut the nesting, I just took 10min off the total growth and placed it back there.
If you've been nested as Utahraptor of late, you'll find they generally form nesting colonies and are quite organized about it.
It's a shockingly decent part of their playerbase
mental sleet
I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a utahraptor in ages.
brisk mesa
XD
mental sleet
though I am not dumb enough to wander off into the middle of the map as a lone diabloceratops so yeah
brisk mesa
Fair enough lol.
Anyways, if anything I'd have thought the change to Giganotosaurus would be the most controversial by a landslide.
normal fern
I agree with all the changes save apexes.
There is no way in hell trike should be that quick to grow.
None of the big three should take less than 6 hours
minor dome
i agree almost entirely with your proposal but i do think your reduction to trike is probably too massive
brisk mesa
The reasoning to decrease Triceratops is simply due to their positive effect on the number of herds.
minor dome
since it could take 10+ allos to take on a trike a herd could become untouchable if there are constantly 5 trikes
brisk mesa
I've seen 4 Dilos or 4 Allos down Trikes
You overestimate their potency given their weakness to bleed and shite healing.
Furthermore a Trike will often end up hurting the members of it's own herd.
And nothing likes friendly fire from a Trike
minor dome
with a combination herd on top of 5 trikes stuff will just get ran down
brisk mesa
A combination herd they said.
civic sky
aww ok
brisk mesa
You have Paras or Maias do the 'running down' albeit that presents its own issues.
I've made the Maias less disposable so if they die they aren't springing back like weeds.
And Paras are, well, Paras lol.
Poor bastards they are.
civic sky
indeed
minor dome
without a bleed heal or stam regen buff ill never play para
civic sky
maia almost invalidates them.
minor dome
its cool they can instantly stand up and stomp but obviously that has its weakness
brisk mesa
My increase to Maiasaura's time helps make Para more viable, indirectly.
Para can fight off mid tiers, albeit not amazingly well, whereas Maia can't; normally this doesn't really end up mattering because of Maia's other advantages...
But Maia takes only 30min less than Para in my proposal.
That means the Maia isn't as much of a 'better Para'
Furthermore the increase on Maia combined with the decrease to Pachy helps Pachy out.
Is it still a weaker Maia, well yeah, but it also takes a whole hour less XD
jovial blade
Hopefully they add a tackle type of attack
It will be so useful for herbs and carnis
Herbs wont be as vulnerable
A maia would body a Utah and dilo
elder pine
my wettest dream is for pachy to be able to break the leg on a rex
brisk mesa
A Maia already "bodies" Utah and Dilo lmao.
brisk mesa
LMAO.
I've seen Maias slaughter entire packs of Utahs single handedly.
Are you a madlad?
Maia outruns Utahs and 3 shots them, while having the best bleed heal in the game.
sweet narwhal
Maias are pretty good if you play them right. As long as you're not running into utahs mouths you're usually pretty good
brisk mesa
Maia is legit a well known counter to Utahs.
I'm genuinely confounded by anyone saying Maia needs help against Utah.
elder pine
what
brisk mesa
Maia fucks Utah and Dilo.
elder pine
a utah can easily ass ride a maia
brisk mesa
Ass ride something faster?
elder pine
is the maia gonna run away or try to fight?
brisk mesa
If the Utahraptor gets behind the Maia, the Maia disengages and comes back around.
When it has the offensive a Utahraptor is fucked.
elder pine
during that time the utah can get ambush
even then the utah has a way better turn radius
so it can just turn to the side
brisk mesa
I've seen Maias easily kill 3-4 Utahs singlehandedly.
elder pine
those must've been the average rock sitting utahs
brisk mesa
Takes a pretty piss Maia to die to a lone Utah.
elder pine
that don't know how to play
takes a bad utah to die to a maia
only time that i've seen a maia kill a utah is when the utah tries to get on a rock and it keeps failing
and ends up dying
sweet narwhal
I mean if you got utahs who know how to do a good hunt and flanking it's not a surprise when anything dies to it
I can't say maias are really build for combat and more to out run/out last their predators. Offense would probably be the last option
blazing charm
@paper yacht That is an awful idea, literally all that would do is just spark toxicity, not to mention its so easy to tell what killed you.
hallow vigil
@blazing charm "wth y u kill me"
blazing charm
Pretty much
hallow vigil
unless it's something only admins can see then pls no names
Also that first strain suggestion just sounds like hyper carno
brisk mesa
Lol
paper yacht
I got a tons of fights i never understand why iam loosing this fight. I have bit him 2 times more as he bits me... with an Killog you can see what happend. You fight against a sub rex and u died. In the killog you can see he was at 99%, nearly 450 bit dmg. Thats why you loosing the fight.
On Server with stricted rules, you got the Playersname who plays against the Serverrules. Someone plays like an As.... you got his name in the killlog, so you can CHOOSE to group up with someone like that or not. The Killog Feature can be taken on or off by the Serveradmins.
hallow vigil
I'm not sure I mind the info
I just like to keep players anonymous
Cuz I guarantee if ppl know who killed them, it will lead to drama in the discord
Could be a toggle I guess
paper yacht
You can have a different Discord name ?!!!!
hallow vigil
I shouldn't have to change my name to avoid drama spiking over from in game
Spilling *
plus ppl would still call out the in game name
Or bug them on steam
paper yacht
You have that killog feature in many other games too and the is nothing like that.
ocean vortex
go play BoB
paper yacht
sometimes you kill a freind and will it never know. because he plays another dino race. With an killog you can see who was killed. And so you can say to a serverfriend .. sry buddy nice fight GG!
Bob?
rly?
ocean vortex
its got damage notifiers and the name shows
its just what you want heehehehe
=u=
disturbing inner laughter
paper yacht
No i want it for the isle... anyway thx for your suggestion....
ocean vortex
also
the isle is not a game where people will type GG
this aint no first person shooter round 2 game
ocean vortex
this a game where dinos jumpscare you during night with cannibal noises
jovial blade
If it's a actual good fight
ocean vortex
eitherway, as said
TI still isnt Primal Carnage
its just... not fitting for a combat log
and a combat log would pull you out if the immersiveness of the lonely forest vibe of TI
paper yacht
@ocean vortex the isle is not a game where people will type GG ???
i can read that evry day
civic sky
yeah combat log just doesn't fit well with the isle as far as dinos go, however it might suite humans if done well or specifically mercenaries.
if they're still called that
ocean vortex
thats via discord matey
I meant gg as in
you will never see it on official gameplay
never
cannibals will not type GG as they eat your corpse
remember that TI has a large horror game vibe
and Gg doesnt belong in that vibe
only unofficially will you ever see it
Gg... that quote annoys me...
...god damn you Fortnite ....
.... and your crummy youtubers blabbing gg......
south flower
I’ve actually seen people type in game chat GG after a fight or something. It’s not too uncommon or at least for me to see it.
But I get what you’re saying
jovial blade
Its happens
I just dont think a combat log is neccesary
Soon there will be the kill logs on bottom left like first person shooter games if we went down that road
misty island
GG did not come from fartnight
it came from the first dota
and went semi popular when some of the war3 map became a thing
then everyone kinda know it when dota2 and league was a thing
and now its everywhere
and also please make hypo dryo
paper yacht
GG exits since online multiplayer exits... GG Good Game i write it since 1998 in the game chats... But that is not the Question....
The Killog can only see by the player who get killed and that one who killed them. Not they entrie server will see that...
The killog is more like a feature to understand what happend ingame and dont let you frustrated and clueless back.
sweet narwhal
Yeah I'd prefer not to be harassed in game by someone who knows that I killed them fairly
sweet narwhal
Adding a kill log just adds risk for a layer of toxicity
ocean vortex
yes indeed it does
paper yacht
You have kill log in MMo´in RPG´s in Strategy Games and Survival Games... you have it evry where
sweet narwhal
This is a game that people put hours into growing a dinosaur or character that lose all that when they die. I haven't seen a game anything like the isle besides the games competing with it. I don't think a kill log is a good idea for this environment
Usually in those games you listed you don't usually lose all and if you do there's quick ways to get it back which provides for a less frustrating environment
paper yacht
This is a game that people put hours into growing a dinosaur or character that lose all that when they die EXACTLY!!! 7-8 h of growing and you lose your fgirst fight and dont understand why... thats frustrating!
sweet narwhal
Yeah so it wouldn't be a good idea to list who killed you.
paper yacht
You dont know how many dmg you given or how many you taken... and you dont understand why you loosing
sweet narwhal
I could advocate for like "this type of Dino killed you" and that alone
But the style suggested I don't personally feel would be healthy for the game
ocean vortex
mate.
im sorry to say
but nine people crossed out your suggestion
including me
this is literally only your problem
sweet narwhal
I mean there are damage screens. That's plenty of warning you just have to get a feel for you Dino that you're playing
paper yacht
@ocean vortex you are a troll ?
paper yacht
ya and why i cant discuss my suggestion? because you and 8 other crossed it?
ocean vortex
im pointing out that this idea may not be as great as you think
sweet narwhal
Easy now
ocean vortex
and that there are many issues with it
sweet narwhal
It's alright it's just a discussion 💕
ocean vortex
yes
paper yacht
its more like its 50/50
sweet narwhal
I can completely understand where your coming from with your suggestion. I personally disagree with it and the style you're suggesting it in. I think if it was even considered only telling you the Dino type would be a good idea because it keeps player identity intact for the most part and will prevent levels of directed toxicity
flint rune
Oh hey guy wha- oh {slides out of conversation} 👀
sweet narwhal
I believe you have the right heart and mind. I just don't think it fits the isles style
ocean vortex
@flint rune come back here criminal scum
you cannot escape what you have left trace of
flint rune
{peaks over table} T w T
ocean vortex
ew
paper yacht
?
paper yacht
why not?
sweet narwhal
🤷
paper yacht
okay..
indigo sun
Pretty sure it's meant to be a "wtf are you talking about" emote
paper yacht
that emoji´s rly matters???
indigo sun
When people put it on your message it means they dont agree with it
paper yacht
its a squint emoji.... The X is for disagree or not?
indigo sun
Both are
umbral prairie
many are used to show that people don't agree
paper yacht
okay and which one is for i like it ?
indigo sun
Generally a thumbs up or check mark
umbral prairie
👎 ❌ are all used for disagreeing
paper yacht
so many emojis for disagrre cant find the one for agree
umbral prairie
👍 
✅ 📌 are some of the agreeing reactions
paper yacht
ok.. ty
umbral prairie
👌 this aswell
still temple
blazing charm
Upvoting your own suggestion
still temple
oof
white falcon
Different strain SPECIFICALLY for herbis
Since hypo seems to be a more carnivore thing
sage helm
No its both
umbral prairie
I think herbi strains will definitely be modded in once modding is back, but I don't think herbis need an own strain or any strain at all tbh
in the base game
sage helm
I think its both
hasty parcel
The Devs won't be making any herbi strains
white falcon
To take care of carnivore hypos they will need SOMETHING
sage helm
Yea
white falcon
Otherwise a hypo just has to like fall or starve which really wont happen with the way AI works
sweet narwhal
Honestly I would love if her is had strains but it makes sense that they don't. Stains on carnivores make them the prefect powerful predator
sage helm
Hypos cant survive forever
sweet narwhal
Having that for an herbi is like.... Yknow doesn't make much sense
And I main herbis too
white falcon
Herbivores aren’t viable already; something should be given to them to help with the, albeit hard to get to, pretty OP carnivores.
umbral prairie
rainbow wdym the way AI works, they will definitely find a solution for that since hypers are supposed to starve very fast, and they will definitely not make them able to sustain themselves off of AI
white falcon
Isn’t that what eating does already
waxen elk
sweet narwhal
I mean herbivores have the luxury of herds in servers.
But numbers doesn't mean power
white falcon
Not really a luxury when it’s a necessity
sweet narwhal
I mean luxury in the sense of having a server that doesn't have ridiculously small limitations
white falcon
And that is LITERALLY what eating does- delaying starvation
sage helm
Thats not what I meant
white falcon
Yeah, but still. A herd would get destroyed by any hypo
sage helm
Exactly
umbral prairie
eating will not refill their hunger probably
blazing charm
That's kinda the idea, Hypers are supposed to be monsters
sweet narwhal
Unfortunately yes. Herbivores don't really have a defense against hypos
umbral prairie
only stop it from going down
sweet narwhal
I mean unless you sick a pue on them.
sage helm
Hypos would destroy a pack of carnis too
white falcon
In the videos I’ve seen (as of right now) hypos gained food
umbral prairie
hypers are supposed to be very rare, insanely powerful and very temporary
sweet narwhal
Hypos are the end all be all. It makes sense they decimate EVERYTHING. They're the perfect predators n stuff
blazing charm
Here's the defense, if you hear REALLY loud stomping. Chances are you should probably go in the opposite direction
sage helm
^
sweet narwhal
Loud stomping + terrifying cries = my ass safe logging ASAP
white falcon
When does a trike have a chance to get away
leaden night
Magna herbs would be great ngl
sweet narwhal
,,,, that I can sorta second to a degree
blazing charm
You could always just be faster than the creatrures around you, aka gore the nearest thing and run for the forest.
sweet narwhal
I like the idea of genetic mutations making herbies stronger and bigger but not strains per say
sage helm
Hypos are literally supposed to be over powered
sweet narwhal
Hypos are walking server wipers
They're less for fun and more of an end goal for a player
Think like the titanosaur from ark
It's a walking base destroyer but it's not sustainable forever
sweet narwhal
Figured that analogy might help qwq
sage helm
Lol
white falcon
Yeah, but the titanosaur takes work to get. Just a high HP and stam quetz and then cannon. Time is something that people spend doing next to nothing on the isle.
umbral prairie
I kinda hope getting a hyper will be so hard that it won't be the end goal every time, you only do it until you got it once and then not do it for a while
white falcon
Literally find a good spot as a rex and wait.
blazing charm
...Wait what?