it's like a sub trike with really bad temper and a roar so explosive you don't expect it
#general-feedback-discussion
grand brook
misty island
Exactly
I managed to come to an understanding with a dibble as an allo yesterday
It was glorious
Btw @teal grotto ur not supposed to feed on AIs when ur in a populated server
AIs were meant to be a lifeline so u don’t starve to death
When ur the only one on
Besides
Ai do spawn even when the server is at 100/100
U just need to be near a few more players
Like
7more players
And juvi help spawn more ais too
I thought nests also help but someone told me otherwise recently so idk
onyx stump
I think this game could not only use a group finder system but also a group spawning system for when you first spawn into the game. I think group size limits would also need to be implemented too. The devs already don't like mega packs, all they need to do is implement it into the game.
I think having a setting option to auto reject nest invites would be a nice quality of life change... instead of having those big messages pop up on your screen and having to reject or block each individual one.
open fable
@gaunt parcel what'd you mean?
gaunt parcel
The part in the video where it says the allo uses its head as an axe
Since It doesn't have a powerful bite strength it uses the neck muscles to bash the upper part of the skull down on the prey, with sharp teeth to tear the flesh
open fable
Ahh well you didn't specify you kinda just linked the video...
But I mean I like the idea
gaunt parcel
Oh the video explains it tho 
It should be linked at the right minute-- not sure if I did it well
But you're right lemme edit my text a bit
umbral prairie
I agree with most things, but I don't like the idea of an in-game map too much. Maybe it is an unpopular opinion but I think it is cooler to have to learn the map and the spots and navigating using things you often see, like the rocks at beach, the aviary, the radio tower, titan lake etc.
again, most of the other ideas are good imo.
I do like that you can hide in forests as small dinos, but I think there is too much forest in general. most herbivore herds prefer to be in open plains to be safer from ambushers, but there are way too few open areas, often only relatively small patches of grass in the middle of a forest. I personally would like the 'hiding trees' to be as dense as they are now, but have some areas on the map that have plains with patches of forest and some the other way around
Combat logging is a problem , but I think 5 dilos (or other low tiers) should not really be able to take down rexes anyway unless the rex plays very dumb , I see the problem more in people with young. if a pack of low tiers tries to kill a juvie/sub with a parent around, the parent will often guard their young so they can log. Of course if they can guard them for a longer time it is a lost fight for the low tiers because they didn't kill the juvie in time though, so it is not always easy to judge if it actually denying food because of combat log or just a lost fight anyway, in which the low tiers wouldn't have killed the juvie anyway.
valid flower
mental sleet
?
sage juniper
the dilo vs rex thing is basically just an example, your right it happens a lot with juvies/subs too
blazing charm
And that's why I use Google docs, I can write a lot without taking up too much room
sage juniper
if the devs didnt want dilos to be able to harm a rex though then they should make rex immune to damage, but thats not the case, so if a rex actually gets out played, then why should it be allowed that the very rare mid tier victors get denied their moment
what does room matter, discord has infinite space
and not everyone will click a google doc, i know i dont
@umbral prairie i would also prefer more open plains, the area at the very north of the map used to be very open and good for herbies, now its a giant thick forest
north end / ocean falls
south flower
Well, typing so much can make people rather skim over the document and not fully read it because it seems so much if posted normally in discord. It’s just easier to write a document that you don’t have to transfer to discord, not to mention google docs saves your work.
teal grotto
@misty island AIs stop spawning when there is 100 on the entire map..
teal grotto
If there is 100 on thevserver not another AI will spawn even if your starving to death
misty island
thev?
versed blaze
Those entries in the file don't do anything. 😉
teal grotto
@versed blaze the entries is proof on how it works and it makes alot of sense
versed blaze
No, it's not. Devs have confirmed those do nothing.
Multiple times now
AI will spawn even the 100 slots on a server are full
teal grotto
Then how come when my hunger even if its 10% nothing spawns in a 100 player cap
I have to log out and wait till the population is lower to log in then boom AI spawns the moment I login?
versed blaze
That happens sometimes. however, AI will spawn with a full server.
teal grotto
With tons of hours of testing this is exactly how the AI works
misty island
Ai has more chance of spawning when players are near another player
versed blaze
Ok. Go argue with a Dev then lol.
versed blaze
If that was the case, AI would never spawn on US1 and 2 in the evenings because they're always full. Which isn't the case
teal grotto
If he or she wishes to discuss it I would love to point out how the AI works
misty island
The bigger ur group you have the higher chance of ai spawns bear u
Near
And juvi increases the chance too
So
U have 100 ai allocation to 100 players differently
That’s why we say u can’t see as much ai when the server is full
There
teal grotto
If there is 100 players on the % chance of AI spawning near you depends how many AI is already spawned in.. I am speaking on hundreds of hours of testing litterly I login when population is at 20s and 30s AIs will spawn the moment I login.. But of its full the AIs already on the map wont spawn if there is alot of players online carnivore players
misty island
Look dude I told you what I know
If that doesn’t help u
I can’t anymore
U may really need to talk to the ppl who designed the game then
No point arguing with me
teal grotto
I sat in the open plains many hours testing this and its clear the case of what my testing show is how its made. Watching the stomach shrink hitting 70% exactly AI is supposed to spawn for you near you it never fails and so AI will spawn but there is an AI cap and since 2 to 4 AI spawns per player that is hungry aka carnivore player and since there is a max AI count for the island as long as the current AI count is there not a single new AI will spawn even if your starving from 0% hunger.
Which is why I request they increase the max AI on the map to beyond 100 say 150 to 200 so I can play instead of starving to death on official 1 and 2 and have to wait till 3am in the morning to feed my dinosaur
sage helm
The issue with that is ai take up almost the same amount of space in a server as a player so that could lower server performance greatly
At that point just put in a new player limit to increase population
teal grotto
Velos are the ones who take up more data as they lag the server the moment they spawn in
I don't have a powerful PC my self but no the other AI don't give me the lag issues at all.
the lag only occurs during the Velos spawning in
100 players 200 max spawned in AI 200 players 300 max.. Etc etc.. Data just shows me that there is not enough AI to feed the starving dinosaurs when there are tons of player carnivores on.. Im not trying to argue with im just pointing out on the results of how it all works with testing cold hard evidence of data.
sage helm
They don't want ai to feed starving dinos when there are 100 players so the increase probably wont happen
The ai are for when there are not a lot of people in the server to hunt
But unfortunately its hard to find people to hunt
teal grotto
As above so why make those that progressed so much to let them suffer why force them to login so late at night to in order to have there hunts?
Im pretty sure if you grew an apex and managed to grow 5 hours in but you can't login as the population is too high and so there wont be anything for you to hunt you will wonder around and due from starvation force logging the player out and wait till the population to decrease in order to survive.
100 players on a small map sure that's completely reasonable but a map like V3 100 AI max is not going to cut it.
jovial blade
Lol v3 is too large to find people unless you want players just constantly going to twins and all those popular places
teal grotto
There you go someone here gets it.
barren zephyr
@mellow maple Dondi already confirmed that as a mechanic for Allosaurus in a stream he did with Bikeman
barren zephyr
It's alright good suggestion tough
civic bloom
Eating dinosaurs alive...
Allo is the crackhead of dinosaurs
jovial blade
How would that even work lol
mellow maple
I'd imagine Allosaurus gripping the sauropod's neck with it's hands while tearing off flesh with it's bladelike teeth.
jovial blade
How is the allosaurus reaching the sauropods neck
Their arms aren't even that long to be begin with
At best they should grapple juvs
Or small subs
mellow maple
I was thinking moreso Camarasaurus but I was thinking about a hugging posture.
sage helm
And the neck inclufes the base pf the neck
jovial blade
That's what utahs do
mellow maple
I'll get a ref when I get home
jovial blade
Allosaurus isnt a raptor
sage helm
We never said it was
jovial blade
you're saying their small arms are going to supporting their whole weight
Literally dumb af if a allo is latching onto a sauropod with it's small arms
Lmfao
sage helm
Size=/ strengths
south flower
Allo: “here lemme hug you to death”
mellow maple
Isle's Allo hands look big af.
undone pike
@sage juniper love most all of your suggestions. I think they could really help the game.
mellow maple
So I thought, eh might as well use it for something
south flower
They might not hold enough strength to support the allo’s entire body, much less while the prey is struggling.
mellow maple
I made my suggestion in like 5 minutes so I might be overlooking a few things
undone pike
The heal rates being at least more standardized would be great. I don't think all should be equal but it's true that some dinos have a large advantage because they can trade hits way more easily.
sage helm
I think some studies show they had a strong neck as well so they could brace themselves by biting and not letting go
south flower
I mean, it could happen if the sauropod is drinking, kind of like lions hunting giraffes
jovial blade
It's never going to be near the sauropods neck to begin with
Dragon
Do you know how dumb that is
It would bite its neck
Not go and latch onto it with its arms lol
mellow maple
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mellow maple
I'll take a closer look at my suggestion and flesh it out to make more sense.
south flower
It’s not dumb, it’s just an idea. Don’t lions do the same thing, though? Latch onto and bite the giraffe’s neck? I’m just trying to put it in a visual perspective. I’m not saying Allo should be able to hunt sauropods and actually be highly successful
south flower
^
jovial blade
Yes
Smaller prey
You're talking about sauroposs
Sauropods
The biggest dinosaurs ever
That weigh a fuck ton
south flower
And giraffes are many times the size of a lion, and yet they can pull it off.
sage helm
^^^
jovial blade
Yes you're point
jovial blade
You're getting off track now
sage helm
But think of it like the lion of the jurassic
south flower
Not really?
sage helm
No
jovial blade
I didnt mention that allo cant kill a sauropod
mellow maple
Okay so I offered a different mechanic for hunting/feeding and y'all are taking it too far.
sage helm
Whatever you say
south flower
Hm
sage helm
HAHAHA
jovial blade
Allo restraining juvs
sage helm
thats not an allo bud
jovial blade
And small subs
mellow maple
Smh. Let me gather my stuff when I get home
jovial blade
That's prey restraint
south flower
Lmao it wasn’t a terrible suggestion, Wheat, though
I like it, it just needs a lot of work
sage helm
^
unborn quail
I mean, what's the point of questioning the idea behind it when the mechanic is planned and confirmed for allo
sage helm
But to completely laugh it off as tho its never gonna happen is wrong
mellow maple
It needs more convincing. I pulled it out of my ass in 5 minutes lol
I was in class too 😛
south flower
Well it’s an apparently confirmed mechanic so there’s no harm in discussing it anyway
jovial blade
So is dondi planning to make allos utahs now lol
barren zephyr
hello , sorry but can you please help? i dont know where i can download this game for a mac😫
jovial blade
Allos are fine how they are
unborn quail
Wrong channel
jovial blade
We dont need allos to be latching onto sauropods like raptors
😂
At best if it does become a thing it should be prey restraint of smaller dinosaurs
south flower
It’s probably not going to be as dramatic as raptors
unborn quail
Every Animal will have an gimmick, Some will share similar abilities with others
Allo will be sharing with Utah
south flower
I don’t see allos getting themselves off the ground high enough like raptors
sage helm
It doesnt have to be high just digging claws and jaw in
south flower
But they can have a latching or locking mechanic similar to raptors
sage helm
And its probably gonna be most effective against camara
sage helm
^
south flower
Mhm
sage helm
Wheat said at some point that they were speaking about camara
Unfortunately when people say sauropods their minds go straight to the biggest ones
south flower
^
unborn quail
Regardless, Allosaurus's plan gimmick has been described as 'Huggies' and it has been said similar animals will share similar gimmicks, just tweaked on a certain scale
unborn quail
The closest comparison to Allosaurus's gimmick is that of Utah's, so allo being capable to 'grapple' a large target like Camara seems reasonable
sage helm
So why should it be in game
mellow maple
I should've mentioned the prey is not defenseless.
sage helm
maybe
mellow maple
At least, I think I did
south flower
I think they were working on struggling counters for prey too
unborn quail
That's a given, anyone should be able to pick that up
sage helm
@jagged badge survival dinos come first and I dont think alberts planned for survival. So while its hunger may grt tweaked it will be in a long time.
jagged badge
yeah, i would just like it to be changed soon
crystal minnow
@left sigil dinosaurs are warm blooded
left sigil
grabs idea and throws it out the window EVERYTHING SCHOOL TAUGHT ME WAS A LIE
crystal minnow
Dont blame school
lament kayak
@mellow maple I believe this feature should work for the giganotosaurus, sort of. Instead of clinging, it'll latch on for a few seconds, and try to rip out a chunk, assuming the sauropod doesn't shake it off. If a chunk is successfully taken out, the sauropod will suffer major bleed and possibly tons of damage. I would want the giganotosaurus to have this ability since they were known as sauropod hunters and would generally like to leave its prey to bleed to death.
unborn quail
Giga's gimmick has always been described as flesh grazing, so that's a given.
What Wheat described is already Allosaurus's planned gimmick, I.E 'Huggies', to which is based off Utah's pounce.
lament kayak
Yeah, I thought it'd be fitting
although, a giga can still kill a sauropod, even without the feature, They really do have crazy bleed
unborn quail
So run on their side or get the ambush
normal fern
When was allos gimmick confirmed? On stream? @unborn quail
unborn quail
Yes.
normal fern
Do you have a screen cap?
normal fern
Thank you my guy
unborn quail
Np.
lilac swallow
@undone pike maia unviable? Really? The so called "most viable herbi" is unviable?
umbral prairie
makes sense to me
south flower
When collision comes in, it would be cool to be able to knock down your prey, such as being a giga and hunting a Maia or something similar, but maybe only if the predator has ambush?
barren zephyr
how is mai not viable lmao
lilac swallow
Idk
barren zephyr
mai is the carno of herbis
fast enough to escape danger and powerful enough to slam faster agile creatures
lilac swallow
The third fastest dino that is capable of fighting the only carni who is faster is automatically viable
barren zephyr
mai is faster than utah
lilac swallow
And fast and strong enought to be a nightmare for utah and dilo
I know
But galli and carno are faster than Maia making Maia the third
barren zephyr
and isn't weak to bleed which makes it better than carno and all the other speedsters
bronze socket
yeah honestly paras are less viable then mai just because para is slower, like mai speed is great
barren zephyr
i think para should not be fast
bronze socket
i mean they are the same size
barren zephyr
maybe 35 but not "fast"
lilac swallow
The only thing that para has over Maia is dmg, but isnt really useful when the carni can just retreat from a losing battle because is not bleeding
bronze socket
idk why people think mai is bad
barren zephyr
i think para should have allo tier regen
to make fighting less of a ah lets retreat and come back when we're all healthy
bronze socket
honestly if anything we need more t4 herbis other then the trike
barren zephyr
if t4 is apex for u
lilac swallow
Yeah, i allways say this: para vs allo may be the most balanced fight but allo still has the advantage because unlike para, an allo can retreat from the fight
barren zephyr
then we got stego and anky coming
barren zephyr
how is trike a t4 lol
bronze socket
because cama and pue are a thing XD
barren zephyr
those are "titan" class if i were able to give them a name
bronze socket
fair i was just going off what i have seen most people class them as, but yeah they really arent on the teir list. if we remove them then yeah it puts trike at t5
so to fix my statement. we just need more herbis that can stand up against apex's instead of just running
because while running is fun and all, so is fighting
barren zephyr
trike and rex should be 50/50 in my opinion.
i enjoy both creatures so im not bias.
bronze socket
i mean honestly to make the fight fair the base leg break should be set to 50% then scale with weight and not 75%
barren zephyr
trike should be given a better turn until locational and collision indirectly buffs it in my opinion
bronze socket
o man if locational ever gets add this game will change heavily
civic sky
personally i'd like for trike to have a slight advantage head on but a rex can damn near instakill said trike with an ambush giving rex an even more incentive to go for the ambush. It is a great ambusher after all.
bronze socket
and 7 days to die will come out of early access
lilac swallow
I allways think,
apexes can allways find another prey,
trikes cant really chose to run,
Why dont make It a bit better at fight than the other 2 apexes or at least even
umbral prairie
trike should be next to impossible to kill from the front
civic sky
exactly
umbral prairie
but weaker from the back
bronze socket
i mean it is
barren zephyr
locational dmg will prob work with weight and creatures are gonna prob have different dmg multipliers from hitting vital spots
bronze socket
if it's leg doesn't get broken on the first hit as it does most of the time
lilac swallow
Trike should only die to grouped or ambushing solo apexes
umbral prairie
a rex biting down on a trike neck should deal quite a lot of damage, but it would be cool if the trike could put it's shield back so the rex has to push the head away, losing time in the process
civic sky
That stomp should get removed and make the gore its main attack until the charge is in.
bronze socket
i mean it's stomp shouldn't be removed it just need less of a recovery time after the stomp
barren zephyr
i feel like alberta could be added as a fast moving midtier that doesn't have the direct dmg but is great at ambushing targets and has high vital crit multiplier to be able to quick kill most prey
bronze socket
like cut the time it takes to let you do things again in half and it would fix alot about it
umbral prairie
the stomp is dumb
civic sky
I get what you're saying, i do, but i justy don't see it being needed.
lilac swallow
I think even with charge the gore should still be the main attack and the charge the secondary ocasional attack
barren zephyr
i found stomp amusing
lilac swallow
Is ocasional a true Word? Or i just wrote a spanish word
umbral prairie
if anything is small enough to get under those feet it would be instantly dead anyway, if it is bigger the trike just stabs it's toes
bronze socket
so you just want ark's trike in the isle?
umbral prairie
occasional exists
civic sky
gore and charge + locational dmg alone practically skyrockets trikes strenght
umbral prairie
what does ark's trike do
bronze socket
gore as its main and charge as its secondary
umbral prairie
I don' think TI trike should get a 'charge', just a small push forward
more like a ram but with horns
lilac swallow
Yeah charge as secondary but stronger attack that can only be done under certain conditions
civic sky
but consumes stamina greatly, kinda like another "ambush mechanic"
barren zephyr
then u release it and it moves at highspeed while doing stun and dmg
civic sky
something like rexes stamina cost for ambush
bronze socket
if anything i think the a "charge" attack should just be you do more dmg while sprinting with your gore
civic sky
especially since it's the "rex" of the herbs
umbral prairie
I don't think a charge should work like in ark
civic sky
no, not at all
umbral prairie
with running faster for 10 seconds, that is dumb
bronze socket
i mean if a trike charged at you with its current speed and you get caught that is kinda sad
they are quite slow when it comes down to it
civic sky
indeed
jovial blade
Dont need much speed to impale
civic sky
i often said that if one gets cought by a trike with its current speed they kinda deserve it
umbral prairie
I'd prefer that you click while running, and then you push yourself forward ramming whatever is in front of you (with higher speed than the usual sprint) , and if you miss you slow down
lilac swallow
Talking about trikes stomp, i allways imagine that the trike is doing a downward gore attack using gravity at its favor this way i dont get weirded by a toe stomp
bronze socket
still if you get caught by a slightly faster trike as anything that can hunt trike that is sad
trikes are slow and a charge would have to lock down your turn
candid haven
People have so many issues with the bigger dinos killing everything they can- rather than asking for them to get more debuffs, as they are meant to be powerful, just make places only accessible to smaller dinos this saves a lot of people from a lot of unneeded trouble
umbral prairie
the stomp would of course do some damage but since the horns are only 'sharp' at the tips (so it cannot really slice through a body) it won't do as much damage as ramming them straight into something
lilac swallow
Another thing trike needs is a Life cycle like rex one when It get slower as it grows instead of going from "your run is slower than any trot" to "you are still super slow"
mental sleet
preety much everything needs that to a point
bronze socket
giga need to be faster as juvie and sub
like dear lord you pretty much just walk everywhere even when sprinting
lilac swallow
I mean if sub Rex is a proper mid tier why not giga and trike?
lilac swallow
And sub trike is weaker than daiblo and also slower than adult trike
jovial blade
Lol sub giga sucks so bad
Only good thing is bleed
Saw a Utah solo a sub giga
😂
Sub rex is actually decent
Amazing stam
450 bite force
Decent speed
Just has bad trot
lilac swallow
Sub rex is a proper mid tier the other 2 subs are just fat juvies
sage helm
Sub rex has bad trot you say? slides in sucho
lilac swallow
Sucho has its own speed tier
jovial blade
Sucho is suppose to be slow though
But the juv stage is so terrible
They should definitely buff the juv sucho trot speed
Or at least buff stam
sage helm
I feel like its stam is fine
the trot speed just needs a tiny buff
because the stam has good regen
umbral prairie
adult sucho also needs better speed at trot/walk, the sprint is slow but not as painfully slow as the other ones
sage helm
Yea
lilac swallow
I personnally think that while supposed to be weak, juvies's speed and strenght needs to be improved, they are so bad that are just afk encouraging
jovial blade
Juv isnt suppose to be strong
barren zephyr
sub rex and sub trike are great
jovial blade
Should atleast have good way to travel
barren zephyr
id like to disagree i find sub trike fun and it has great stam regen
sage helm
Thats what makes me want to afk
lilac swallow
I said i know they arent supposed strong but one thing is being weak and another is being just afk machines
barren zephyr
sub giga encourages afk
jovial blade
Sub yea
barren zephyr
its a less fun adult giga
jovial blade
Specially if you're close to adult
lilac swallow
Thats exactly my point, most juvies encourages
barren zephyr
while sub rex plays completely different to adult rex
pulsar lake
And Alberto is different of sub rex
barren zephyr
i have no issue with juvie giga
jovial blade
Alberto sucks
pulsar lake
Alberto best
barren zephyr
subrex is tankier than alberta
jovial blade
I doubt it will even make it to survival
pulsar lake
I want it so much
barren zephyr
while alberta had a faster ambush
jovial blade
Why
pulsar lake
He can be so good
jovial blade
Just play sub rex
lilac swallow
When you try to survive 1 hour 40 minutes as juvie trike you dont want to die when your are almost sub
pulsar lake
STOP SAY THIS
jovial blade
Sub rex works pretty much like alberto
pulsar lake
Alberto can have his mechanic
jovial blade
What mechanic
pulsar lake
And sub rex have it
barren zephyr
what
jovial blade
Its literally like a sub rex
umbral prairie
alberto is nice, but it needs something sub rex has not
barren zephyr
ok stop the bullying
sage helm
I mean every dino is like another one before it actually gets into survival and gets its gimmick
all we need to do is think of something that would make it different than sub rex
jovial blade
Nothing
barren zephyr
alberta isnt even in survival btw his stats arent 100% done
unborn quail
If life stages actually dictated who got into survival, then we shouldn't have Allo or Diablo for that matter
barren zephyr
if diablo was in sandbox ppl would say its just a sub trike
unborn quail
^
lilac swallow
^
sage helm
^
jovial blade
Diablo is so pointless
sage helm
Lol
unborn quail
If Allo weren't in Survival, people would call say it's just Sub giga
sage helm
Exactly
jovial blade
How long is diablo growth
lilac swallow
I dont really want alberto but "is just a sub Rex" is stupid
unborn quail
The Whole life stage argument isn't a valid excuse fro an Animal being added
pulsar lake
Alberto can be faster than allo, no more endurant, more damage and squishy to bleed and can have his mechanic of bone break.
First damage have less damage and more Alberto bite, more he can do damage and bone break.
Alberto can be bad in solo compared but very strong in pack. Sub rex need to stay weaker and don't have a good bb
barren zephyr
diablo isnt pointless and is fun
pulsar lake
Diablo is super good
jovial blade
So many more dinos could of been added
barren zephyr
🤦
pulsar lake
Okay so Cerato is a little rex
jovial blade
No
pulsar lake
Allo is little giga
steady cosmos
Monk, thats wrong
pulsar lake
Maïa is little para
jovial blade
What's wrong
pulsar lake
Cama is little pue
jovial blade
Levi you're just being dumb now lol
pulsar lake
Dryo is little galli
barren zephyr
your being dumb mon
pulsar lake
It's because tou say Alberto is sub rex ré skin
sage helm
Mon you are being extremely one sided
jovial blade
What sets it apart from a trike @steady cosmos
steady cosmos
The speed difference
lilac swallow
No, levi is just pointing how dumb is the "is just a litte X" argument
barren zephyr
31
sage helm
Smaller
steady cosmos
Also the damage difference
barren zephyr
the tier
sage helm
less time
steady cosmos
What sets you apart from a gorilla?
jovial blade
😂
steady cosmos
might i ask
pulsar lake
We can have more dinosaur with there affinity
steady cosmos
answer that and you can tell me what sets a diablo apart from a trike
sage helm
and carno
pulsar lake
Carno is unique
barren zephyr
carno does the same thing
steady cosmos
Carno bleeds out prey as well as allo
sage helm
Carno is a smaller faster allo
jovial blade
Carno is the fastest carni
lilac swallow
Carno is just a weaker and faster allo just like diablo is to trike
sage helm
Okay
jovial blade
Also doesnt have a ambush
sage helm
so dibble is the fastest ceratopsian
barren zephyr
u play on no alt so take this L bye bye
sage helm
same with allo
jovial blade
I dont see carnos trying to bleed shit out
steady cosmos
carnos do bleed shit out
sage helm
^
sage helm
They do less damage than an allo lol
barren zephyr
at what
pulsar lake
Carno need to be in group compared to allo can be solo.
Carno don't have really the same hunt tactic, allo come bite you and get away vuyt carno need to do 9ne bite pair one bite and he can't do ass riding with is little damage and bleed.
sage helm
and more bleed than an allo
steady cosmos
Monk you didnt even answer my question earlier
so obviously you're wrong
you just gave up on it
jovial blade
@steady cosmos they do and can but I mainly see constant hit and run so they basically use raw power and team work
What question
grand brook
someone talking trash about the angry potato?
pulsar lake
It's another type of bite and run
steady cosmos
What sets you apart from a gorilla, comparatively to diablo and trike
pulsar lake
Carno can't stop
grand brook
diablo is different from a sub trike
pulsar lake
Yes
barren zephyr
carno cant hunt cera and creatures the same size without going for a hit and run bleed tactic that allo uses
barren zephyr
no
sage helm
Couldnt tell by your arguments but okay
lilac swallow
If the "x is just a smaller y" were really aplied we would only have 4 dinos
sage helm
Your arguments were used against you but then suddenly they became unvalid
sage helm
🤦
lilac swallow
And you claimed diablo was like trike
pulsar lake
he is not
steady cosmos
and yet you say dibble is like trike
jovial blade
Yea
lilac swallow
Just the same comparison
sage helm
pulsar lake
He is not
jovial blade
Not at all
jovial blade
How is carno and allo like dibble and trike
sage helm
Carno is a smaller allo. dibble is a smaller trike.
jovial blade
Lol what
lilac swallow
Carno and diablo are weaker and fatser versions of allo and trike
jovial blade
How tf is carno a smaller allo
lilac swallow
Fatser*
jovial blade
Now you're being dumb
steady cosmos
Carno is literally what you're type would call a "smaller lighter faster allo"
jovial blade
Allo is stronger
grand brook
ok, so, as a dibble main i will tell you a couple of differences. Sub trikes are slower, diablo can do a proper gallop sort of like a rhino, their bleed resistance is really good compared to the sub trike, both of them have good stamina regeneration, but the dibble is made for longer travels and it's turning is also pretty good compared to the sub trike
sage helm
carno is a bleeder
lilac swallow
Just like daiblo is a weaker trike. How?
sage helm
oh my gosh
jovial blade
Is that the best you can come up with
steady cosmos
How is dibble like trike?
It has horns?
jovial blade
😂
sage helm
You are actually being so braindead rn its funny
jovial blade
That's so invalid
grand brook
again tha is like saying that a maia is a small para
pulsar lake
I don't like trike
lilac swallow
Diablo just dont play the same as trike
pulsar lake
But I love diablo gameplay
steady cosmos
"smaller faster lighter"
grand brook
or a dryo a small galli
pulsar lake
And not the trike
steady cosmos
The fuck dont you get about that comparison?
pulsar lake
Or Utah is an Utah with bleed
jovial blade
Mid you're just comparing stats
pulsar lake
Or allo is small giga
sage helm
So are you!
grand brook
the same with a trike and a diablo
lilac swallow
We arentvreally saying carno is a smaller allo, we are saying that if diablo is a smaller trike carno is indeed a smaller allo
sage helm
I am pretty sure that is based off a stat bud
sage helm
I never said I wasnt the one comparing stats tho
steady cosmos
and you said dibble is a smaller trike
jovial blade
It is
grand brook
ok mon, so what dinos could they have added instead of the dibble, please tell us
jovial blade
It plays the same
barren zephyr
carno relies on bleed
barren zephyr
against non small tiers
jovial blade
@grand brook They allready have good herbs they're just non survival
pulsar lake
If we want unique gamaplay we take giga, rex, trike, dryo, galli, dilo, Utah and para
grand brook
hell yeah
jovial blade
Pachy is too weak
umbral prairie
dibble is different from trike, it plays less like an aggressive tank and is more agile, but it is similar
steady cosmos
so?
jovial blade
Dies to pretty much anything
pulsar lake
Pachy need something
barren zephyr
until it gets bitten
pulsar lake
Idk what but he need something
pulsar lake
Oh yes
jovial blade
It needs bone break
pulsar lake
Bleed resistance
jovial blade
Vs small dinos
grand brook
pachy needs a bleed resistance and bonebreak to smaller predators
and that's about it
steady cosmos
People like you dont take anywhere near enough factors into account when calculating your stupid ass logic
pachy has stealth on its side
along with speed
mental sleet
what
jovial blade
A adult pachy sprinting and ramming a Utah in the ribs should break bone
mental sleet
WHAT
pachy is big enough to where it should have an advantage vs a solo utahraptor
its made of paper right now
steady cosmos
Doesnt it 3 shot utah?
grand brook
but some bleed resistance would be nice
grand brook
lower speed? why?
steady cosmos
speed is fine imo
leaden night
It's currently faster than Dilo
grand brook
and?
steady cosmos
Dilo can easily kill a pachy with 2 bites
leaden night
Hence the bleed res buff
steady cosmos
Hence it being the speed of dilo
barren zephyr
i would also lower its speed
leaden night
Faster
spiral pond
Wtf are you talking about
grand brook
why? why reduce it's speed?
spiral pond
Pachy needs better bleed res and being slower
barren zephyr
it would just run down and kill dilos easily
steady cosmos
It cant do that tho
leaden night
Pachy could also use a better jump but that's irrelevant
barren zephyr
also it would be too similar to galli
spiral pond
It can ?
barren zephyr
atm it is a weak galli
spiral pond
It’s literally almost dryo speed
barren zephyr
weak to bleed but fast as fuck
steady cosmos
So you want it to be slower than dilo, hence getting fucked by it, but giving it bleed res enough to fight
that wont help
leaden night
Yes
barren zephyr
galli is better at fighting
steady cosmos
it will still get shit on by dilo
spiral pond
How so ?
steady cosmos
Unless you use your jump to your advantage
bleed and run mini
every carnivore uses it
spiral pond
Hence the bleed res
barren zephyr
since it is fast agile and its attack can be spammed very fast while running
steady cosmos
Hence leaving it at a speed where it can proprerly fight
spiral pond
Bleed res and heal ?
leaden night
Ye
umbral prairie
if pachy gets less weak it needs to be slower to not run down dilos, it should be stronger than other low tiers but not quite as fast (still fast, just not run-down speed)
leaden night
Pachy heals like 8-10 rn iirc
lilac swallow
Pachy being another runner is just redundant, give me a proper small tier fighter
leaden night
^
spiral pond
So 1. Give it better bleed res and keep speed or 2. Buff both bleed res and heal and slow it down to dilo speed
steady cosmos
i like 1
spiral pond
I’d prefer the 2nd option tho
grand brook
honeslty it's the bleed thing
barren zephyr
same
grand brook
i would be in favor of making it slower, if you can break the legs of utahs and dilos
barren zephyr
pachy being a tank to bleed while being not faster than its main prey is👌
leaden night
@grand brook Can't exactly say much about that one
grand brook
break their legs and run away
barren zephyr
predators*
steady cosmos
IM pretty sure thats gonna be a thing anyways ditto
leaden night
That really depends on how BB works after the rework
umbral prairie
is my suggestion on bb any good
grand brook
if there is a dino that should pull it off is the pachy
umbral prairie
or my suggestions before the bb suggestion
leaden night
Currently BB works in a way which means there's always a 1% BB chance on everything
Hence there used to be juv rexes BBing adult Triceratops
steady cosmos
Weight based bb would fix that probably
dont know how hard it would be to make that
grand brook
yeah
leaden night
Make BB work like bleed pretty much
leaden night
Need to have a certain threshold and the amount given depends on weight
@steady cosmos No
steady cosmos
read
steady cosmos
Hence why rex is the only thing to have it
And if you roll the dice attacking a rex, that's your fault
not rng
umbral prairie
you can have higher bb, but it only affects how long it takes to heal, not how strong your bone is broken
leaden night
No Mid
steady cosmos
I said it isn't weight balanced
leaden night
Whenever you get BB'd or not goes through a percentage chance depending on the weight
steady cosmos
did you seriously not read that
spiral pond
sips my ice tea oh this is a fun convo
steady cosmos
Ah
leaden night
Weight does affect it
steady cosmos
I mean it totaly being canceled out by weight
to limit the things being bb'd by you
leaden night
Ye
spiral pond
Isn’t it like 50% on trike ?
leaden night
Nah
grand brook
60% chance on a trike? it deffinetly feels higher
leaden night
It'd be 50% if Triceratops was over 11k
steady cosmos
Also it still is a dumb idea to roll the dice and expect rng to give you good shit when attacking a rex
or being near a rex
still your fault for doing that
you know the outcome most of the time in that case
barren zephyr
bb would be less painful for everybody even the rexes if it only happened once you hit a leg....
steady cosmos
You do notice how hard it would be to do that specifically
thats the problem with people and the combat in a game
barren zephyr
i hate failing hunts when bb cucks me
steady cosmos
If you have set animations, you cant just hit a leg or an arm
unless your hitbox smacks it by chance
umbral prairie
are my suggestions any good or are they stupid
steady cosmos
the bb one is neat af
grand brook
i'm all for the impalling stuff
jovial blade
@umbral prairie I like it
Kind of stupid how theres a defult to how much the bone breaks
grand brook
also the bb suggestion too
jovial blade
There should also be a max of how much you can break bone per dino
Like a rex and anky should have the highest bone break
Sort of how bleed works
umbral prairie
yeah they should be able to shatter bones (so very limited mobility)
jovial blade
But less numbers of course
umbral prairie
except for like sauropods, those bones are too thick
steady cosmos
Ima just suggest for them to lemme play ava with a custom skin on survival
grand brook
i'm all for smaller dinos so yeah, avas for survival
jovial blade
Nah
Unless they changed the calls
Lol
As soon as they hear an ava call
Dinos will instinctively run to it
barren zephyr
Interested about the cover being too thick...
umbral prairie
ava AI is the most annoying thing imaginable (except herreras on deathmatch)
grand brook
don't they do that already with other dinos XD
jovial blade
Not as much as aca
Ava
Literally when ever I'm in a pack
Every person sprints to the ava
Lol
grand brook
well that's conditioning, if avas where taken out as ai, people would leave them alone over time
grand brook
why?
jovial blade
Because we will be left with velos tacos oros
steady cosmos
I wanna play ava cuz its a nasutoceratopsian
grand brook
and?
steady cosmos
and its one of my favorites in the game
grand brook
it's not supossed to
steady cosmos
its not supposed to
grand brook
no it's not
jovial blade
Especially in v3
grand brook
if you want to eat, you hunt
steady cosmos
trust me
steady cosmos
you can find people for sure
grand brook
absolutely
steady cosmos
ive done it on multiple occasions
jovial blade
Oh god hes serious
umbral prairie
atm you can live off of AI forever
steady cosmos
^
grand brook
as a juvie feeding of ai would be 100% ok
steady cosmos
Monk i feel as though you're not serious at all
umbral prairie
but it should not stay that way, or at least not off of small AI spawning close to you
barren zephyr
Lol
umbral prairie
maybe bigger AI spawning randomly on the map would be cool
grand brook
why? because every player grows a carni withou having to learn how to hunt?
umbral prairie
not smaller map
steady cosmos
its not big tho
barren zephyr
So that rexes can eat it comfortably eliminating the one thing that makes them truly need to move?
umbral prairie
better servers for more players
jovial blade
Mid is trolling
jovial blade
V3 is huge
barren zephyr
It's sorta OK not too large tho
umbral prairie
no
steady cosmos
eh i sit in the corner of the map and say v3 is too big to explore cuz im scared of my rex dying
umbral prairie
there are too few players
barren zephyr
I disagree but
umbral prairie
the map size is fine
barren zephyr
Yea I was gonna say I feel the map may benefit from more people
jovial blade
It's not fine for the ammount of players @umbral prairie
barren zephyr
Me either
jovial blade
You can grow to adult without finding a person
barren zephyr
Maybe don't sprint in the open everywhere
jovial blade
Mid I can find people
grand brook
me neither, if anything is avoiding them that is the problem
jovial blade
But I would have to go to twins
steady cosmos
then why do you need so many ai
barren zephyr
Aviary is busy these days?
jovial blade
Because I would need to stick to those areas
steady cosmos
the area round it is yea
steady cosmos
there are other areas of the map where you can find people
barren zephyr
Huh interesting
jovial blade
Yeah like 1 persom
steady cosmos
especially in the corner of the map
grand brook
it's almost like carnivores have to find prey to survive instead off being served on a silver platter
jovial blade
If ai wasnt in game twin lake would be so populated then it allready is
grand brook
if you want easy food be a herbie
steady cosmos
no point playing the game if you just eat ai
grand brook
that is all
steady cosmos
ittl end up being the cookie clicker experience
jovial blade
Mid ai is apart of game so is hunting
Your choice to not eat ai
I do both
If there is players I hunt
If theres no players I eat ai
Simple
steady cosmos
>assumes i dont eat ai
jovial blade
You assumed I jsut ate ai
umbral prairie
we need bigger AI spawning randomly, it encourages people to move more and you need less AI to feed someone, so the server can handle more players. Of course some small AI needs to stay to delay the starvation of people with bad luck at finding big AI/players
umbral prairie
but not so much small AI they can sustain themselves off of it forever
steady cosmos
unless you have a full pack of rexes or some shit
jovial blade
Utah is the ultimate ai eater lol
They just sit on rocks or in safe spots
Eating ai for ever
grand brook
again being a carnivore should be difficult because of food, same way that being a herbie is hard because of predation
jovial blade
No one is saying it shouldnt be difficuly
grand brook
it is survival after all
jovial blade
But theres a difference in having no players in the area at all or the next
To where you actually need to eat ai
To survive
jovial blade
Yeah half way across the map
jovial blade
And you would need to camp that area
grand brook
or explore around, sniff, scavenge...
steady cosmos
And in a sense, that camping is kinda realistic
steady cosmos
ive gone across the map with some of the slowest things monk
grand brook
B-b-but muh rex
sage helm
so whats the issue?
steady cosmos
Just gonna let you know its not that hard
sage helm
^
steady cosmos
yet you make a big deal of it
jovial blade
Its just the fact you have to camp a area to actually find people
steady cosmos
thats kinda realistic in a way
jovial blade
Which comes back to how I was saying
steady cosmos
which is fine imo
sage helm
Its called territory
grand brook
have you ever thought as to why there are so many apexes in many servers? because ai mostly
jovial blade
The map is too big for this ammount of playeds
sage helm
which they had irl
steady cosmos
Its really not
sage helm
^
jovial blade
Jacob half the map isnt used
steady cosmos
you know where most people are because people usually gravitate towards specific areas
sage helm
same with thenyaw
jovial blade
Thenyaw is good size
sage helm
pretty much half that map was empty tho
steady cosmos
thenyaw is actually dumb
sage helm
everyone grouped in one place
steady cosmos
too small
sage helm
^
steady cosmos
shitfest
grand brook
thenyaw despite being smaller half of the map is empty
jovial blade
Thenyaw you actually find people constantly
steady cosmos
Of which was no fun
steady cosmos
And camping isnt a fucking sin
sage helm
^
steady cosmos
why do you act like it is
grand brook
yeah tell that to the rexes up in party field
steady cosmos
Sitting in an area in wait for food is something creatures do a ton
sage helm
^
jovial blade
Party field is basically twins in thenyaw lol
grand brook
lions do it in watering holes all the time
sage helm
is this not a sim?
jovial blade
Sim?
sage helm
Nvm I take that back
steady cosmos
You do notice, on thenyaw, you could be found literally anywhere, hiding isnt easy at all, and people can very easily track you
it was stupid
And too small
jovial blade
Track needs update
Its annoying getting confused with your tracks
And your bleed
And pack mate foot prints
jovial blade
And sniffing huge ass lake
sage helm
what does that have to do with any of this?
steady cosmos
its fine where it is
you getting confused is your problem
This game isnt here to give you everything
sage helm
^
steady cosmos
and in most cases shape
jovial blade
They almost look exactly the same