general-feedback-discussion

[craggy river]

did you ever see a giga win against 2 rexes

[umbral prairie]

I don't get why you think it is so unrealistic to move your legs to turn around without walking

in TI, they don't move their legs

because it still lacks an animation

[indigo sun]

Alt turn will look a lot better than it does currently

[umbral prairie]

but turning in place is not an unrealistic thing

[jovial blade]

No

2 rex is op

double chance of bone break lol

[umbral prairie]

bb is too strong right now, but it will probably be changed

[jovial blade]

It's not

[umbral prairie]

with locational damage and dino collision

[craggy river]

A rex can easily 1v2 a giga

[jovial blade]

But you play on alt turn server

so idk how it is there

[barren zephyr]

bb will become less bullshit and more reliable at the same time

[umbral prairie]

bb can be applied by biting tails, of course it is stronger than it should be

[jovial blade]

I could see rex being op

in alt turn

[minor basalt]

it's not

[craggy river]

Ok

[minor basalt]

the only thing with good alt turn for its size is giga really

every other dino is reasonable

[craggy river]

Like

Its either

buff giga

or nerf rex

I dont care which

1 thing

[barren zephyr]

rex has a shit alt. clear sign he never plays on normal servers and thinks the outside world is scary

[jovial blade]

Well with no alt turn both dino's are fine

Sucks you have to deal with alt turn

😂

[minor basalt]

alt turn isn't bad, at all

[barren zephyr]

he thinks all alts are the same speed

[craggy river]

Me?

[barren zephyr]

no

[minor basalt]

it's wayyy too easy without alt turn

[barren zephyr]

mon

[jovial blade]

When did i say that?

Puting words in my mouth?

[craggy river]

I mean

I have a clip of paladin

[barren zephyr]

u said alt was shit and said rex would be op on alt

[craggy river]

getting killed by a rex

1v3

and they all died

[jovial blade]

Yes?

[pseudo falcon]

"With alt turn dinos are fine" yeah, because a Utah being able to solo a rex is fine...

[jovial blade]

Where in that did i say all alt turns are the same

wtf?

Can you read?

[craggy river]

https://www.twitch.tv/itzz_paladin/clip/TawdryNaivePangolinAliens?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

[minor basalt]

cerato is op on no alt turn servers

Literally just play cera and you can solo apexes

[pseudo falcon]

^

[minor basalt]

it's hilarious

and sad

[barren zephyr]

did i say u said it? no then stop being a fuckign hypocrite

[wraith turret]

wow

[jovial blade]

Huh?

Why are you talking out of your ass

[pseudo falcon]

[jovial blade]

You're literally trying to put words in my mouth lol

[wraith turret]

that rex ALT TURNED to kill that giga

[barren zephyr]

ur doing the same tf

[jovial blade]

How?

[pseudo falcon]

[minor basalt]

those gigas were really bad lul

Shouldn't have ran in after the first one died, rex woulda bled out

[craggy river]

You realize they got bone break

[minor basalt]

yeah?

[craggy river]

So your saying that is prefectly fine

[minor basalt]

how does that change anything if they don't need to get close to it

[craggy river]

So your saying

They dont need to fix the rex

[minor basalt]

it would've died if they all wouldn't have ran in

[craggy river]

and its all the gigas problem?

[minor basalt]

giga and rex are fine minus gigas insane alt turn

[pseudo falcon]

[minor basalt]

they could've killed that rex if they all stayed back instead of running in to bite it

minus the first guy

[craggy river]

So your saying thats fine

the way rex is\

[minor basalt]

yeah, it has no stamina and it has to sneak up on things to catch them

[craggy river]

So

[minor basalt]

Don't let it ambush you and you're good

[craggy river]

Rexes dont need a nerf

[minor basalt]

it has to be really close in order to even catch a giga

[craggy river]

So

Your saying

Rexes are fine

[umbral prairie]

rexes don't need a nerf

[minor basalt]

yes

rexes are fine

[umbral prairie]

the only thing that needs to be changed is bb getting applied by biting tails

[minor basalt]

pretty much

[umbral prairie]

which will be changed with locational damage

[craggy river]

Your joking right?

[clever leaf]

rex has asthma

[minor basalt]

No, are you joking?

[clever leaf]

giga has a faster trot anyways so if both run out of stam then giga can get away

[minor basalt]

giga also regens stam while trotting

[clever leaf]

that too

[umbral prairie]

and has 2 minutes of sprint with full stam

or is it 1

[craggy river]

If a rex bites you and gives you legbreak you are basically dead which is almost everytime

[clever leaf]

50 seconds

[minor basalt]

Don't let a rex get close enough to catch you

[craggy river]

Due to the gigas wweight

[clever leaf]

compared to rex's 30

[minor basalt]

You deserve to fuckin die if you let it get that close

[clever leaf]

but account in giga having faster trot and can regen stam in trot

[barren zephyr]

rex=no stam regen

giga=fast trot and stam regen

[craggy river]

So rex is perfectly balance?

[minor basalt]

if it ambushes you out of nowhere, then the rex deserves the kill for ambushing you without you seeing him

yes

[umbral prairie]

no, since bb can be applied by biting tails

[minor basalt]

trikes the only issue

[umbral prairie]

otherwise, yes

[barren zephyr]

giga should exceed at plains like how its supposed

to

[craggy river]

So

[barren zephyr]

giga at plains is literally uncatchable and the most powerful thing in that area

[craggy river]

Did you ever see a giga win against 2 rexes compared to rexes beating gigas 1v2

[minor basalt]

giga has a way easier time finding food as well

[pseudo falcon]

If you swap the position of the giga and rex in that clip the giga would do the same to the rex.

[minor basalt]

does giga need to win against 2 rexes?

[barren zephyr]

yeah before the fucking nerf to 700

[craggy river]

Im saying

[barren zephyr]

giga had 850

[craggy river]

They should buff giga by like 800 or nerf rex

[barren zephyr]

no

[minor basalt]

and go back to rex being giga bait

[clever leaf]

isn't giga capable of killing rex already if it gets the jump on it?

[minor basalt]

wow great

Yes red

[craggy river]

Rex usually wins

[minor basalt]

Like 2 or 3 bites and the rex is doomed

yeah, rex usually wins

[jovial blade]

Bro

[minor basalt]

So don't fuck with a rex

[clever leaf]

rex was giga's bitch back when giga did 800+ damage

[jovial blade]

Sap the rex's stamina

And then bite its ass

[craggy river]

Im saying make it so giga has a better chance

[lilac swallow]

Giga is meant to either fight sauropods or smaller dinos, simply dont fight a rex and you have the best survival dino

[jovial blade]

Apex's are suppose to kill tier 4s and under

[minor basalt]

2 gigas can kill a rex

[jovial blade]

You aren't suppose to have frequent encounters with apexes anyway

[craggy river]

a rex can kill 2 gigas

[minor basalt]

good

[jovial blade]

Those 2 gigas must suck ass

LOL

[umbral prairie]

rex should win in a clean 1v1, but giga should be able to bleed it out if it gets it by surprise. the last part is a bit harder to do right now since rex can break your leg by biting your tail, apart from that, it is pretty balanced imo

[minor basalt]

rexes alt turn is so slow

If it doesn't have stam it's fucked if there's 2 of you

[craggy river]

Unless it bites you which isnt hard

[umbral prairie]

unless you run straight to the rexes face and try to facetank it

[minor basalt]

don't get bit

[umbral prairie]

it is hard, since it has a very slow alt turn

[minor basalt]

ambush it

If you take a rex head on, then die

[umbral prairie]

a rex with no stam is so easy to kill

[craggy river]

Sammel in a 1v1?

[minor basalt]

In a 1v1 giga can just walk away and go find something else to eat

it doesnt have to fight

[craggy river]

You shouldnt have to though

[minor basalt]

Why not

[craggy river]

Because your also a apex

[minor basalt]

Giga can survive way easier than rex can

[umbral prairie]

again, rex should win in a clean 1v1, just look at what it is, but if you surprise it you should be able to bleed it out

just because ur also an apex doesn't mean you have the same strengths/weaknesses as another apex

[clever leaf]

gigas gameplay isnt just about fighting rexes

theres other stuff to it

[craggy river]

Im saying

[clever leaf]

like being a sauropod-hunter but sauropods yet to exist atm

[craggy river]

They should try to make the 1 giga have a chance against a rex

[umbral prairie]

rex strength is bite force and bb, rex weakness is stam (and maybe alt turn), giga strength is bleed and stam, weakness, if anything,is sprint speed

[clever leaf]

Except it does have a chance if it ambushes rex

[barren zephyr]

giga= rapes every fucking creature in the game that isnt rex

[craggy river]

So does a rex

[minor basalt]

nope

[barren zephyr]

rex can be killed by utah groups, fucking utahs

[umbral prairie]

I don't get why giga should have a chance in a clean 1v1, a bleeder is not made for direct damage combat

[craggy river]

Im saying

[minor basalt]

rex only catches things in an ambush or if it's close enough

because it has no stam

[umbral prairie]

rex is made for 'get in, kill it' giga is made for bleeding out (which it does not do too much since it can kill most things with direct damage except rex)

[minor basalt]

rex cant catch a lot of things

[barren zephyr]

giga makes 20+ packs run away while rex makes them wonder if they should take it on

[craggy river]

Why cant they just make it so the gigas gets better chance

[umbral prairie]

why should it have a better chance

bb is a bit strong right now

[craggy river]

Because rexes usually always win

IM saying

[clever leaf]

dont facetank a rex

[umbral prairie]

because it should? again, it is direct damage

[craggy river]

nerf the rex or make the giga a bit better

[umbral prairie]

no

[minor basalt]

They win because the gigas don't play their cards right

[umbral prairie]

nerf how bb works, the rest is fine

[craggy river]

Thats still part of nerfing rex

[jovial blade]

How are you fighting rex's to think they are so op?

[craggy river]

You realize that right?

[minor basalt]

if a rex spots you when you're trying to ambush it then back down

[jovial blade]

Just don't attack it face on

Make it come for you

and waste it's stam

Your target is it's ass lol

Plus as giga

[umbral prairie]

skeet does that matter in your argument? no, because I've said before that bb is too strong and you still complain about giga usually losing in a 1v1, which it should

[jovial blade]

your stam regens

without sitting

[craggy river]

Then why not reduce the time for a giga?

For like the sub

[minor basalt]

Just because giga doesn't 1v1 rex doesn't make it a bad apex

[jovial blade]

It can 1v1 a rex

O

I've seen it happen so many times

[minor basalt]

Tbh rex needs a growth time increase instead of giga getting a growth decrease

it can with ambush

[jovial blade]

I've taken on rex's as a sub rex

If you get ambushed by a rex

[clever leaf]

giga can 1v1 rex with ambush. This guy just seems to complain about Giga not having a chance in a facetank

[minor basalt]

No alt turn servers are irrelevant for balance

[umbral prairie]

both apexes are way too easy to grow, it needs to be harder (there needs to be another solution than making them constantly starve though)

[jovial blade]

Then it's pretty much over unless he doesn't bone break

[umbral prairie]

afk growing needs to go away

[jovial blade]

@minor basalt Say's the person asking for drastic changes to 'balance'

LOL

Literally no one is complaining in no alt turn servers

[umbral prairie]

no alt turn servers will not be a thing soon

[jovial blade]

It's about skill

[minor basalt]

@jovial blade im not, im asking for the opposite

[jovial blade]

It's up to you if you're bad and get tail rode

[minor basalt]

there is no skill lul

[jovial blade]

Rex is a ambush predator

[umbral prairie]

no alt turn has nothing to do with skill, it is just utahs and ceratos ass riding apexes

[minor basalt]

Play as cerato, win

[jovial blade]

Lo lnot how it works

If the player actually has skill

and know's how to ambush

and protect itself

Tail ride isn't just a 100% win

[minor basalt]

not how it works because the no alt turn servers are usually realism

[jovial blade]

Wtf

[minor basalt]

and they have heaps of rules

[umbral prairie]

you can have as much skill as you want as soon as you have a cerato on your rexes ass you're dead

[jovial blade]

So do no alt

[umbral prairie]

because you cannot counter it

no matter how skilled you are

[clever leaf]

weren't they gonna remove no altturn as an option

[jovial blade]

You can, but not letting it happen is the best way lol

[clever leaf]

i'll laugh if that happens

[jovial blade]

Also troting

[minor basalt]

with alt turn you actually have to time your attacks correctly lmao

[jovial blade]

to bite

[minor basalt]

That's skill

[jovial blade]

also, spriting and then stopping

so they get tricked into going into your mouth

[minor basalt]

the combat isn't much skill with alt turn let alone without

[umbral prairie]

how is sprinting and stopping skill, and what idiot falls for that

[clever leaf]

you should be doing hit-and-run rather than just staying behind something and biting it to death

[jovial blade]

Sam you probabl'y dont get in much fights in no alt turn

to think that way

I mean drabon

sorry XD

[craggy river]

No alt turn server are garbage

[umbral prairie]

the people must be stupid if they run through you into your mouth if you stop sprinting

[jovial blade]

^ yep

Also not many people are that skilled on tail riding

They go forward too much

[umbral prairie]

how does that make no alt turn better, just because the people are incapable of moving properly

it really takes no skill to ass ride

[jovial blade]

Because, it's a mechanic that make's a fight dumb and less skill involved

Without alt turn you have a better chance on taking more things

[umbral prairie]

alt turn fights need more skill, since you cannot ass ride and have to time your attacks

[pulsar lake]

Trike don't need bone break.
He need a damage buff like 450 or 500 and nerf his bleed to 20 because he don't need to do bleed, big damage and wait fight system

[clever leaf]

Without alt-turn = get behind someone, boom you win

[jovial blade]

With or with alt turn that's a thing that exists XD

[umbral prairie]

trike needs locational damage, it will be next to impossible to kill a trike from the front

[jovial blade]

You always have to time your attacks

[umbral prairie]

not with ass riding, you need to time once, and that is the moment you get behind the dino you want to kill

[clever leaf]

tbh trike doesn't really work properly without locational damage

[pulsar lake]

No face tank

[clever leaf]

much like how stego wouldn't

[pulsar lake]

[umbral prairie]

sandbox dinos are not a priority right now

if alberto got into survival it would undergo some changes

but right now it can only be injected

[blazing charm]

@shell willow That sounds so easily abuseable, people would just purposefully suicide into water just to poison people, not to mention that would basically make any aquatic animal obsolete.

[shell willow]

ah shit u right

nvm

[sacred wyvern]

well

skill does matter in alt turn and non-alt turn servers

for example

it takes more skill to bring down a rex on an alt turn server than it does on a non-alt turn server

as lets say

an allo

but

the other way around doesnt make sense

sure it takes skill to trick the butt biter to go infront of you

but thats really it

but non-alt turn servers require more skill to defend yourself than alt turn ones

so to summarise

attacking is harder on alt turn while defending is harder on non-alt turn

[white falcon]

I mean, would you turn on a dime while trying to defend yourself? No, you’d try to outmaneuver.

Alt turn is kinda... bad... they should implement a way to keep people from alt turning mid combat

I get that it’s needed for like “I’m stuck at a cliff and don’t want to fall” for gameplay purposes but alt turning in combat isn’t very fun (in my opinion)

[lilac swallow]

Alt turn is meant to keep utahs from killing apexes in a 1v1

You shouldnt have a harder time fighting with something that grew in 1/7 of your grow time

[versed blaze]

Um, if a Utah kills an apex in 1v1, something is very wrong

takes like 60 bites for a utah to kill a giga

[white falcon]

Then give larger, slower creatures a rear attack (tail slap, back (in the case of quadrupeds) foot stamp, etc)

[lilac swallow]

Just assride

[white falcon]

If faster things riding up on things is a problem give slower things a means to stop it

Or you know just like

Stop

I’ve killed Utah’s as a dibble on a non-alt turn server by hard stopping

[lilac swallow]

Just wait to combat overhaul, but keep in mind alt turn has come to stay

[white falcon]

It was actually pretty funny

Alt turn should stay for terrain that the game doesn’t give you the chance to back up for (somehow get stuck between a cliff and a tree, etc)- not for combat.

[lilac swallow]

Yeah because when you fight you walk forward to turn

They will give alt turn proper animations

[white falcon]

You don’t hard stop in the middle of combat for the sake of turning

You move and turn, otherwise you’re probably against 1. A REALLY slow opponent or 2. Gonna die because of it.

Like, raptor running from trike slow.

[lilac swallow]

But why we are even arguin, all official servers have alt turn, the game is balanced around alt turn you just cant get rid of a basic combat mechanich(even if is a bad one) without rebalancing all dinos

[white falcon]

That’s what I’m saying- balance mechanics around the loss of alt turn during combat. They want realistic combat, yet not always realistic Dinos

[sweet oasis]

@sick pecan That's planned

[lilac swallow]

As i said wait for combat overhaul

[sick pecan]

Oh nice

[shell willow]

It's not in right now because of how op it would be right? With utah's current stats

[jovial arch]

Alt turning does make sense it just doesn’t have an animation yet

[shell willow]

alt turning has the ballerina animation

[jovial arch]

Aside from like the largest of crocodiles (and even crocs can do it I’m pretty sure) everything irl can do an inplace turn in under 2 seconds

Maybe not like a hippo

Actually

But something like an elephant?

Easily

[shell willow]

I'm happy with alt turn until something better comes along, I lost my adult sucho to a single utah because I didn't know the server didn't have alt turn

[lilac swallow]

Real Life animals during real life fights "alt turn"

[jovial arch]

Yeah they do

Just with a different animation

[lilac swallow]

Is just that there are no animations yet

[shell willow]

mm

there's one, it's the "hold your leg up like a dog to pee on a fire hydrant"

[lilac swallow]

@blazing charm i personnally think every dino could have a sub adult stage, many dinos transition from juv to adult are just weird, and many are to weak when fresh adult

[blazing charm]

Certain ones might be a bit too small for one, personally.

[lilac swallow]

Yeah like dryo

But even utah feels weird

You come from a little lizard to a full matured utah in a click

[umbral prairie]

isn't full juvie utah stronger than fresh adult utah

[lilac swallow]

Or galli, galli is ok without subadult

[umbral prairie]

because it weighs more for some reason

[lilac swallow]

@umbral prairie yeah fresh adult is half the weight

Than juv

[vestal rune]

I think a better growth system would fix alot of the awkward transitions

though, carno definetly seems like it needs a sub adult

[blazing charm]

Oh of course, a better growth system is the more likely solution, even then I feel like a sub adult Carno could help aswell.

[lilac swallow]

In many dinos, a full juvie is much smaller than a fresh adult thats my main issue

[vestal rune]

most dinos I've seen the adult is actually smaller then the full juie

the only dino I know like that is utah, but utah always seemed weirdly dense as juvies

[lilac swallow]

Paras and sucho has that weird grow "jump" too

[versed blaze]

Go to the server channel

post there

[lilac swallow]

Not the right channel

And btw if its an official server there is no "3 call" rule

[blazing charm]

@sour agate Become, what?...

[edgy furnace]

^

[vestal rune]

I think it's just an inspirational speach for the developers

@barren zephyr gallimimus isn't really meant to be climbing and jumping over stuff, it's a runner, jumping is just a by-product

[lilac swallow]

While i agree, having a so pathetic jump is worse that not having jump at all

[vestal rune]

how is it?

like, that makes no sense, you're saying some vertitical movement is worse then no vertical movement

[lilac swallow]

Nah, It just make think you can jump while you cant really jump over anything, and if you can jump over even the smaller rock why would you jump. Was just an exageration

[ruby jacinth]

I've found that with jump on Pachy there's a surprising amount of things I can climb on, I imagine its the same for Gali

[vestal rune]

speaking of pachy I think it should get jump and fall resistance buffs

because it has a classic rivalry with utah, with utah being mountain based it would be cool for pachy to also be mountain based which encourages pachy and utah interaction

[blazing charm]

imo, Galli can climb things pretty well, thing is though. I've never actually found a reason to climb with it

[vestal rune]

^

why climb things when you're faster than most things and the few thing you're not faster than you absolutely annihilate in turn radius

[lilac swallow]

True

[sacred wyvern]

well

[torpid wedge]

like the fresh adult utah

literally half the size of an adult

but at the same time i see why there isn't a sub utah because the growth isn't long

[keen trail]

I think carnos should just stay starting as a juvie. It takes only like 2 hours to grow one, I don’t want to see carnos everywhere because they start off as subs and take only an hour to grow.

There’s enough carnos everywhere as it is lol

[misty island]

Carno are fine

Their weakness is jungle and water

They are only good on open fields and smooth mountain sides

[vestal jungle]

yeah, i love playing carno and just staying out in the open where i can't be caught by surprise, lets me get away from anything i can't kill and run down anything i can

[misty island]

And both of those bimos aren’t somewhere you should be going if you can’t outrun or defend urself

[still temple]

Para and Sucho could use sub stages
Carno and Allo are maybes
Diablo imo doesnt rly need one

[jovial blade]

Sucho needs trot speed increase

[still temple]

it's trot speed is basically a walk speed tbh

[jovial blade]

Ikr

[still temple]

and it's walk... is just... no.

[jovial moss]

@floral plover both Carno and Maia, which are nearly twice Pachy's weight, take less time to grow. they're 1.8 hours, Pachy is 2.2 hours. So I agree that Pachy really needs a time reduce on its growth, nothing small should take over 2 hours to grow

[jovial blade]

Even its stamina is so bad

[floral plover]

Yeah.

It's HP is bad.

[jovial blade]

Well it depends

[stone jewel]

sucho makes up for it by being the strongest of its tier

[jovial blade]

How strong is pachy

[floral plover]

Bleed can fuck it up pretty easily.

I did suggest many Pachy buffs.

Never got one :/

[jovial moss]

pachy does damage but thats all it has going for it. it needs a complete rebalancing

[floral plover]

Weight 1,300Tons and Dmg is 350

[still temple]

Pachy (and other creatures) having more interesting ontogeny when

[jovial blade]

That's good

[floral plover]

No it's not.

[jovial blade]

How

[stone jewel]

1300 tons op

[floral plover]

One bite from a Dilo and it will bleed out.

Or a Carno.

Or a Utah even, takes 2 bites to kill it.

Bleed heal is horrible asw ell.

[jovial blade]

So you mean its health is bad

[jovial moss]

no.

[jovial blade]

But the damage is good

[floral plover]

Should fuck up carnos when they headbutt them but no, they don't.

[jovial moss]

bleed resist is the worse in the game barring juviniles

it can not take a bite

[floral plover]

U have to constantly chase em, but u will get bit.

[jovial blade]

Carno is fastest

[floral plover]

Galli can even kill a Pachy.

[jovial blade]

Hard to hit lol

[jovial moss]

pachy's damage is the only GOOD thing it has going for it

[floral plover]

Yep and the turn radius kind of.

[jovial moss]

everything else kind of sucks

mostly the bleed resist

I fuckin hate how bad it is

[floral plover]

I'm playing Pachy rn

Idk why I made this decision.

[jovial moss]

its fun to be an angry horse

but its not fun to bleed out like a spilled bowl of soup

[jovial blade]

Well it's not supposed to be bleed resistant or be a tank

Maybe a speed increase?

So you can have better combat while avoiding combat

[jovial moss]

But it is supposed to be bleed resistant, have you looked at it??? its built for fighting

[jovial blade]

More speed more dmg with head butt

[floral plover]

It's speed is good.

[jovial blade]

Its head is the only armoured thing

[floral plover]

I would agree with more dmg.

[jovial blade]

More speed

Means more dmg

I thini you should be avoiding combat

Not tanking

[floral plover]

Ppl will complain getting chased down by them.

[jovial moss]

its made of muscle bro its not a galli it doesnt need more speed, it needs a buff to general survivability not speed

[jovial blade]

Well that's the beauty you can just argue it is a glass cannon

Lol

Gali isnt a tank either

It runs from danger

[floral plover]

No not really.

[jovial blade]

It does

[jovial moss]

yeah because its a goose with longer legs

[jovial blade]

If it attacks its it's too fast to even get hit

[floral plover]

Some Gallis would stand still to defend each other.

[jovial blade]

Lol dumb move

Unless fighting smaller carnis

[floral plover]

Not really.

Ik how to play as it a lot.

I can kill Carnos with it.

[jovial moss]

Pachy is made for f i g h t s in real life it fought between its own species it shouldnt be a glass cannon

[floral plover]

Which I did.

[jovial moss]

it should be the strongest of the smaller dinosaurs, not galli-but-hits-harder

[jovial blade]

Yeah they head butted each other

The head has shock resistance

What I think is pachy should break bone

Vs smaller dinos

Imagine a pachy full speed head butting a small dino in the leg or ribs

[jovial moss]

lots of herbivores should break bone but that wont be happening for a long while

[jovial blade]

That will break bone for sure

[floral plover]

Cause a certain somebody decided to give it to Rex only (Don't attack me)

[jovial blade]

Rex can break bone aswell

[jovial moss]

rex is the only thing that breaks bone

[floral plover]

Makes totally a lot of sense that a Rex breaks legs, but an Anky can

Can't*

[jovial blade]

Anky is non survival isnt it

[jovial moss]

trike also lost its bone break chance

[jovial blade]

Also rex is famous and known by pretty much everyone

[floral plover]

Still.

[jovial blade]

I can see why he focused on rex

[floral plover]

And hated by me Monk lol.

[jovial blade]

Lol

[stone jewel]

have they ever tried to work on the hit detection in this game?

[floral plover]

Just because a dino is ur fav, doesn't mean u have to make it a god.

[jovial moss]

uh they tried, they reverted it? cuz it didnt work? idk

[floral plover]

And make it take 13 Headbutts from a trike.

[jovial blade]

Rex isnt a god

[stone jewel]

wtf

[floral plover]

Monk.

[jovial blade]

I've seen 4 dilos bring down a rex

Lol

[floral plover]

Takes one bite, break their bones.

[stone jewel]

i feel like hit detection in a game where each bite is the difference between life and death is like....A1 priority

[floral plover]

They can't run.

Cause that Rex is dumb.

Sorry but he is.

[jovial blade]

Nah

You know what it needs

To not break bone when tail bite

Lmao

[jovial moss]

it is, lamb but the devs are recoding the whole game right now so they're focusing on that right now

[floral plover]

That too.

[jovial moss]

it'll probably take awhile for things to fix

[stone jewel]

true enough that the game is in stasis, but doesnt really excuse their ignoring of the problem for so long

[jovial blade]

Rex sort of needs bone break though

[floral plover]

Recoding what again? i forgot.

[jovial moss]

everythhing

[floral plover]

If other species can't have it, it doesn't Monk.

[stone jewel]

but it IS possible that the way the game was/is coded made it extremely hard to alter hit detection, so at least they'd have that

[jovial blade]

How will it compete

[jovial moss]

pachy needed bonebreak, now it struggles to survive unless it gets the jump oon someone

[jovial blade]

With spino

And giga

They have a shit ton of bleed and way better turn

[floral plover]

Spino is a "Non survival"

Skill.

And not just hit to break and done.

[jovial blade]

I dont think it should be a instant break

[stone jewel]

afaik it isnt

[jovial blade]

But if the rex bites it in the same spot but ofcourse the game isnt ready for that

[stone jewel]

it's a 70% chance * (the weight ratio)

[jovial moss]

I'm of the opinion that if rex has bonebreak, then the herb apex should at least get bonebreak until they fix it

[jovial blade]

Also dont forget

Rex stam is so shit

It cant chase things down

[floral plover]

Trike dmg is shit.

While Rex has 1,200 Dmg.

Plus bone break

Plus amazing speed.

[jovial blade]

You forget the weight

[floral plover]

Plus amazing ambush speed.

[jovial blade]

Trike does allot and bleed aswell

[floral plover]

No I didn't forget the weight.

[jovial blade]

1200p dmg gets scaled down

Vs heavy targets

[floral plover]

U will just run in with ur ambush, bite once and it will break if it doesn't go in again.

Plus instead of Trike getting a buff it got a turn nerf.

[jovial blade]

Well yeah you want rex to hit and run lmao?

[floral plover]

That's what it does rn.

[jovial blade]

No?

It breaks bone

[floral plover]

Yes.

[jovial blade]

And hits it down

[floral plover]

If it's low on health.

Break it.

And move.

[jovial blade]

Lol if its low health then yeah

But rex is raw bite force it cant hit and run

Maybe 4 or 3 hit and runs

And then its stamina is gone

[floral plover]

Rex weight something 5k and does 1.2k dmg.

And yes it can hit and run.

And there are smart rexs who can get in 2 bites in per run.

[jovial blade]

Rex is meant to take out armoured finos

Dinos

Idk why you want to make it weaker then its suppose to be

[floral plover]

Getting stabbed by a Trike 12 times? and living please.

[jovial blade]

It literally needs a bite of that strength

To take on what it eats

[floral plover]

So does trike.

[jovial blade]

Trike bleeds

[floral plover]

It can just hunt Maias and Paras with that ambush speed.

Just ambush them.

They can also trot down Paras.

And Trikes.

[jovial blade]

Trike is strong enough to defend

Para can sprint I heard it has good stam

[floral plover]

Trike is not a bleeder, it's something who will fuck u up, if u get hit by it.

Paras can be troted down by Gigas and Rexs.

[jovial blade]

Trike does 510 dmg

On rex

Each hit

[floral plover]

Uh no.

[jovial blade]

And add that with blerf

Bleed

[floral plover]

And u can't even test that.

[jovial blade]

Yep

I have a chart

Of weight and damage

[floral plover]

A chart?

[jovial blade]

Yes

Want it?

[floral plover]

Sure?

Plus u could just nerf Trike's bleed and buff it's dmg.

[jovial blade]

It's meant to bleed

Huge ass spikes

Ramming into you

[floral plover]

That's suppose to kill u.

Not leave u bleeding.

[jovial blade]

Depends how big your target is lol

If it's a tier 4 dino then it should be 1 shot or near death

A apex should be able to take a Few

[floral plover]

Getting a stab to the heart 4 times should end u, even the first 2 should.

Rexs can just face tank trikes.

No skill or anything required.

[jovial blade]

Obviously if it's a heart shot

That's the same for carnivores a neck shot

With the right bf

Would 1 shot

[floral plover]

Bf?

[jovial blade]

Bite force

[floral plover]

Ah.

Then again locational dmg aint a thing yet.

[stone jewel]

all this fervor regarding balancing could be reduced if they added locational damage and added wound infection, making the combat have more depth and be more skill/strategy based

[floral plover]

^

[misty island]

@floral plover

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LNIsS0NXxledmO4sYN8v7dmx5AnHIslJloyhKI9kKv8/htmlview#gid=0

[floral plover]

Hm?

[misty island]

Here’s the chart

Well the one I use anyways

[floral plover]

Okay?

[stone jewel]

pretty useful chart

[floral plover]

Ty for that one, it's easier to use.

[stone jewel]

wish it had bleed damage included, but it isnt known how it works too well

[hoary ocean]

That's what is coming. Locational damage. It's planned. Of course it'll fix most balance issues. The changes right now are for just right now and will be changed down the line. Take Suchomimus for example. Until Fish are actually in, they are making its stats fit inbetween the rest fo the Dinos to make gameplay doable.

[floral plover]

Until it's here, balance the dinos.

[hoary ocean]

That's what they are doing.

[floral plover]

Some balance updates are just no.

[stone jewel]

well, they aren't gods, they make mistakes and stuff

[floral plover]

Everyone makes mistakes, I never said u can't make one?

[hoary ocean]

The thing about changing things on an already messed up foundational code is that changing something will break even more things, like how players were able to hide in rocks as juvies

[floral plover]

I'm aware of that.

[pseudo falcon]

Its a flawed systeme, no use in changing it when it won't be this way for much longer.

[hoary ocean]

^ exactly

[stone jewel]

the game honestly has A LOT of problems, and that's really the summation of it

but i believe in the dream

[floral plover]

Exactly we don't have any Eta's so u don't know when this will change.

Might take longer, cause they will run into issues.

[stone jewel]

it will probably be at least a few months before any meaningful updates come again

[pseudo falcon]

They already made it clear they're not making any changes to the current balance.

[stone jewel]

but after that it might ramp up

[floral plover]

Exactly my point, Advanced.

[hoary ocean]

which is why they can't give ETAs at all because issues are a thing

[floral plover]

They did Mynze?

[stone jewel]

once they recode the game they should be able to make changes sooner and easier

[floral plover]

I just said that Bills.

[hoary ocean]

[pseudo falcon]

The game is staying in the current state of balance until the recode is finished. You can read their messages in the various channels stating that its not worth wasting time changing the already flawed systeme.

[stone jewel]

it all kinda sucks but that's just how early access tends to go

[umbral prairie]

why do so many people want to replace alt turn with something? It just needs an animation and it needs to be slower for some creatures once locational damage and dino collision are a thing

why is turning in place so bad

[pulsar lake]

This is what we need to do

Buff trike damage and nerf is bleed

He don't need it

Stego will but trike not

He need to hurt directly

[floral plover]

But ppl will complain if it does both

"We got chased down by a trike"

[lilac swallow]

Yeah because a trike chasing you down is something that can happen

[pulsar lake]

Ik

I was chased by trike in rex when rex does only 550N '-'

[floral plover]

Rex's bite force is 1,200 plus, u could just break the Trike and leave it.

[pulsar lake]

Yes but before, rex as got a nerf and he was doing only 550 dmg and for kill triked , you needed 24 bite.

24
BITE

[floral plover]

Yah

But now u need 10+ hits to kill a Rex

As a Trike.

It can face tank u.

[misty island]

Well be fair we shouldn’t just look at pure damage output

Rn trike is a tank defensive role with a lot of bleed

It should find a defendable position

In trees side of a cliff or whatever

And initiate with stomps then bleed out apex

If you really wanna chase things down and murder people on the run

Maybe u should play carnivores

Instead of herbivores

[barren zephyr]

para doesn't need a buff lmao why do u guys forget pachy.. that poor thing

also para can defend itself from 3 allos if its good enough

[misty island]

I KNOW CHUNG

I WATCHED BEAVER S PARA VID AND SAW A PARA IN GAME WHEN PLAYING ALLO

Then I was like oh

It’s rare let’s go for it

Then it three shot me

I am like

Wut

[barren zephyr]

making para faster doesn't make sense as it will just chase down carnivores for fun

what beaver vid?

[misty island]

The one he gave up on two car is

Carnos

When playing para

And he kinda just sit there and let them ate him

Gaming beaver’s YouTube vid

[spiral pond]

para cant defend against even 2 allos

the allo just have to wait it out

they can always pull out

one is attacking, other is healing

while para is bleeding

and yea, para cant exacly chase down allos even if they are faster

[pulsar lake]

But now

Bleed is not very useful to rex

When he can face tank you

When he kill you

He just press h

And survive

[sacred wyvern]

well

thats why u have that little dryo in the corner thats pressurizing the rex o3o

[misty island]

Well not many dinos can survive alone against a fully adult Rex

Not even a giga

If you wanna 1v1 a adult Rex and live or even win

Why would it be a supposedly apex of the game

[umbral prairie]

I can't wait for things like locational damage

[misty island]

Ya that would be nice

[umbral prairie]

trike should be next to impossible to kill from the front

but more vulnerable if it gets attacked from behind

a rex biting down on a trike neck should do quite a lot of damage

[misty island]

Ya but rn do rex really go “face tank” trikes head on from the beginning ?

[umbral prairie]

yeah

because they don't care if they bleed

since it cannot kill you anymore if you sit

[misty island]

Doesn’t that give trike a perfect opportunity to initiate with stomps?

[umbral prairie]

no

since it's leg can get broken with first bite

[misty island]

Start stomp before it’s here

And stomps the second he reaches you

Why is that hard

[umbral prairie]

it might get one stomp in but that is it

[misty island]

If he is coming. At you head on

Ya

U only need one stomp

Then u can gore Rex as a trike

[umbral prairie]

and if the rex feels like it is losing the facetank it can just assride the trike since it cannot alt turn with a broken leg

[misty island]

And u only need 8.5 more hits to kill it

Which is less bits a Rex needs to kill a trike

True that

But is that what happens to everything else fighting rexs?

Even Rex themselves

U get bb ur fucked

[umbral prairie]

yeah bb is pretty strong rn

[misty island]

U get ambushed by another Rex ur fucked

5 bites from another Rex is gonna kill u as a Rex

[umbral prairie]

plus you can break legs by biting tails

[misty island]

Ya that’s bullshit but its how it is rn

And it’s promised to change

So it’s fine

[umbral prairie]

I'll just wait for the combat rework

if it is still stupid after that

[misty island]

What I don’t get is

[umbral prairie]

I will make balance suggestions

[misty island]

Why trikes are screaming so much

Cus there is a work around

And killing Rex as a trike could be done

I don’t get why are they screaming for buffs

Do they really want to run everything down as an herbivores

[umbral prairie]

they should not run things down, but they are pretty weak right now

both apexes can solo them way too easily

[lilac swallow]

A trike with its patetic speed cant run anyone down, trike just dont stand a chance against assriding rex when It have a broken leg and trike cant avoid fighting due to its low speed, trikes are forced to fight in a fight they cant win

At least let them have a easier time fighting rex

[misty island]

Well just yesterday

Two sub trike tried chasing me as a juvi rex

They do want to run carnivores down

Well I haven’t hunted enough trikes to say it’s very easy

Meh

I shall stop commenting

[lilac swallow]

They may want but they really cant

[misty island]

Ya they can’t

Still don’t get why they did it tho

Went after me for 20 minutes straight

Enough time for me to get my friend with an adult Rex on and came to me

[lilac swallow]

Some herbi players are just carni players playing an herbi dino

[barren zephyr]

galli mains

and mai mains

true scum

[umbral prairie]

I mean herbis don't really have anything to do

[misty island]

I still remember a mai killed as a juvi giga a month back

[lilac swallow]

They say hunting juvies helps them survive but i allways ask if wasting stamina for killing a juvie is worth

[misty island]

I saw a para nesting for the first time

[umbral prairie]

so they get bored sitting on their growth hill with tons of bushes around

[misty island]

And I am like what is thatttttt

[lilac swallow]

They may need that stamina later

[umbral prairie]

and then they get aggressive

[misty island]

And went into take a closer look then a Mia just charged out and ran me down XD

[lilac swallow]

Im an herbi player and im aggro if a carni runs to me but i dont run them down on sight, is pointless wasting a so necesary stamina

[misty island]

Ya it’s mostly the bb

[pulsar lake]

I want to say : Carno is one of the worst dino.

[misty island]

I heard something about it ratio to the target

Smthing like 70%*ur weight/ target weight

[lilac swallow]

The ability to run away from averything dont really make It a good dino if is a carni

Carno right now is an galli who feed on ai

[misty island]

But carno is fun and great when ur learning the map

[pulsar lake]

Yes but you are so weak

[misty island]

Well so are dryos

[jovial arch]

How is carno weak

I’ve 4 v 1ed Utahs on the current patch

And they weren’t even bad mechanically

Admittedly their decision making was poor

But like

Turn on walk turn on carno and you can catch Utah and Dilo with ease

And they go down in 2 hits off bleed in like ~30s

[misty island]

And if you run into anything else?

[jovial arch]

Maia you shit on

2 Carnos can down an Allo easily

[misty island]

And ur half stem with 10% water

[jovial arch]

Well

Then you’re kinda fucked

If only 10% water

[misty island]

Let’s face it

[jovial arch]

Cause you’re a bleeder and you need to head to a lake

[misty island]

U as a carno wont go into pinwoods

[jovial arch]

How is this relevant?

[misty island]

Nor swamp

[jovial arch]

Ah

[misty island]

Or twins

[jovial arch]

I don’t see why not a swamp

[misty island]

Dense trees

Hard to turn

[jovial arch]

I literally killed the four Utahs in the trees at twins

[misty island]

Can’t run from gigas

Mmm

[jovial arch]

You just don’t run into the trees

[misty island]

What I am trying to say is

[jovial arch]

Carno hardly legbreaks anymore

[misty island]

There’s not a lot of terrains u can be comfortable in with a carno

[jovial arch]

And your acceleration means you usually phase through rocks

Small rocks

Not big ones

[misty island]

Ya I know

U run over them

[jovial arch]

I mean sure carno isn’t great at trees

[misty island]

And jump a little and then a giga try’s the same and breaks its leg

[jovial arch]

But like

What is good at dense trees

I don’t think anything is

[misty island]

Dilo

[jovial arch]

Ok

[misty island]

Ambushing gigas

[jovial arch]

Fair enough

But with most things, you want to keep los

[misty island]

Ya

[jovial arch]

Line of sight

[misty island]

I know that pff but okay continue

[jovial arch]

I think my beef here is with the statement that carno is weak

It just isn’t

[misty island]

Well it’s not extremely weak

[jovial arch]

I wouldn’t say it’s weak at all

[misty island]

But it is very hard to use except in open areas

[jovial arch]

When I play carno I get more kills than any other Dino by a wide wide margin

Like

I’ll play something like Allo

[misty island]

Especially for play that is not as experience as you

[jovial arch]

Maybe 3-4 kills on adults total in like 3 hours

But like

[misty island]

It’s just less flexible to counter more situations you know

[jovial arch]

I mean

[misty island]

U always have to put yourself in the right spot at the right time for carno to work

And not everyone can do that

[jovial arch]

Usually you just run around on carno

[misty island]

Ya

[jovial arch]

Most of the map is open space

I’d estimate that like 50-75% of fights are in relatively open areas

[misty island]

Mmmm

Soso

Depends on the play style really

I like staying at the edge

Well not the edge

But a few trot seconds in

The edge of the forest or pinewoods

[jovial arch]

I mean, most of my encounters are along rivers and lakes

And generally they’re pretty clear

[misty island]

And just ambush ppl when they started running after they get water

They usually look behind them instead of their front

That four seconds I d be able to cover half the distance

[jovial arch]

Yeah

[misty island]

But no

For carno

It’s good for juvi murdering and lower tier cleaning ups

But anything above that requires a lot more skills

[jovial arch]

Yeah

I mean

Yes

Definitely correct

[misty island]

So it is not very strong

[jovial arch]

But carno destroys like 4 Dinos in combat

And outruns them

[misty island]

At least not strong so it needed a increase in growth time

So it takes as long as crea

[jovial arch]

Yes

[misty island]

There

That’s what they were talking about

Some dude said they should increase its growth time

[jovial arch]

Yeah

I think it’s growth time should be longer

[misty island]

And they were saying it’s not that strong lolz

Well not as much as a cera

[jovial arch]

Cera isn’t much longer

[misty island]

Maybe make the juvi have to drink twice

Now it doesn’t need to drink before drowning lmfao

[barren zephyr]

carno literally takes 0 fall

[misty island]

No it doesn’t

[jovial arch]

Yeah you can jump off cliffs

[misty island]

You can break ur leg if you really want to

[barren zephyr]

u can run through the slope thing on the testmap without taking 0 fall

[jovial arch]

Yeah

Kinda dumb tbh

[misty island]

BUFF CARNO WE NEED IT TO JUMP

[jovial arch]

I was trying to suicide

But I couldn’t

[misty island]

Like drowning is ur friend

[jovial arch]

Cause I just broke my leg

[barren zephyr]

dilo breaks his fucking bone same with all other herbis that can jump.

[misty island]

That’s the only way to kill urself as a carno

[barren zephyr]

and all the midtier and apexes die

sucho cant handle small falls the most

a baby cera got me to kill myself of a small cliff

[misty island]

@barren zephyr they say u can drag bodies after the recode

So water won’t be a problem

U can just kill it and drag it out

[indigo sun]

Thats gonna suck for suchos

[vocal turret]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

dragging bodies only apply to apexes bro @misty island

what if your carno dilo and stuff like that

plus how would u drag in a lake while your swimming

[indigo sun]

How come only apexes can body drag

Or will be able to, i guess

Why would they make a mechanic everyone has been waiting for and then only give it to two dinosaurs

[jovial blade]

Why would a 4th tier drag a body

If anything they would bite pieces off

[lilac swallow]

If is a dryo body why wouldnt it?

[jovial blade]

They would eat it

On the spot

[lilac swallow]

Or juvie

[jovial blade]

They would literally eat it on the spot

[lilac swallow]

Apex can eat on spot too

[jovial blade]

If it's a small meal

No

[indigo sun]

Sometimes you cant eat it on the spot because of aggressive herbivores or other dangers

[jovial blade]

Apex can drag big meals

That's why you would bite a piece of meat off

Or a limb

[indigo sun]

Okay no offense but as anything lower than an apex, I'm not just gonna go in and take a little bit of a body every time i need to eat.

[lilac swallow]

The same an allo could do with a dryo or a juvie corpse

[jovial blade]

Allo moving a ton body

That's just dumb

[indigo sun]

I'm gonna take the body with me and move to an area where I can eat in peace and have the full meal

[jovial blade]

It would rip off a limp

Its faster

And safer

Imagine trying to drag a 1 tonne body

Witha limp you can sprint off

Limb*

Jesus my spelling

[lilac swallow]

real Life dryo are just 70 kg, in game mass is just a balancing measure not their actual weight

[jovial blade]

You said juvs

Are we just talking about dryos now lol

[lilac swallow]

I said dryos and juv since the beggini g

[jovial blade]

Why are you reffering to dryo only

[misty island]

okay guyss

[lilac swallow]

And many juvs dont reach a ton

[misty island]

they say we are gonna be able to drag bodies

[jovial blade]

Allot of juvs do

[misty island]

we dont know how we are gonna drag them

what rules they are gonna apply

[lilac swallow]

During their whole growing time? I doubt it

[jovial blade]

They do lol

Unless you mean the smaller tiers

Like utahs

If you do then why drag a small ass meal

[misty island]

well

maybe for your youngs?

[jovial blade]

Get a limb

[misty island]

being able to is one thing

doing it is another

[lilac swallow]

And as i said and you seem to have ignored in game mass is not their actual weight is just a balancing stat

[indigo sun]

As an allo juvi, I'm almost certain I didnt reach a ton. And yeah, sometimes you need to bring food back for babies that cant eat from the nest anymore but still arent able to hunt

[jovial blade]

I mean if the devs want to put that much time into body dragging go ahead

I just think ripping meat or limbs off is what every dino can do

[misty island]

well i can only imgaine the stress on the sever if they did add limb ripping off

it would turn into smthing like fallout 76 with constant 10K loot spawning

[jovial blade]

That's the same for AI

Its small pieces of meat

[misty island]

the amount of item they need to note down...

[jovial blade]

Unless you're an apex

[indigo sun]

Wouldnt it take more work to add in torn limbs and such than to just let dinosaurs only carry certain bodies?

[jovial blade]

Ripping off big dino leg

[misty island]

well theres only 100 ai at a time

[jovial blade]

No

[misty island]

so its not really that muchh

[jovial blade]

@indigo sun

They would need to make allot more

Then jsut adding the animation

They need to calculate which dinos can carry what

And weight would have to come into effect

Body drag would be cool but I see it coming very late In game

[misty island]

well i support dragging the entire body for now

but limbs and such is a bit too muchh

well right now at least

[indigo sun]

What about a carno trying to tear off a rex leg? Would it be able to or would it be too hard for it? I just feel like it'd be more work to add in the tearing animation, figure out what would and wouldnt get torn by certain dinosaurs, adding in models with the torn legs so you dont just take a leg and its still there. I support entire body dragging makes it a lot easier to bring food to youryoung or mate

[jovial blade]

Same goes for body drag

But dragging and tearing is something that can be done

Just adds work

@barren zephyr