But I have one question
#general-feedback-discussion
misty island
Can you swallow an object 20% of ur own mass
Probly like 0.5-1%
Thatโs more reasonable
And again they are doing the recoding so itโs likely what you suggested would already be implemented @thorny lynx
Well more or less
But according to your suggestions you should also add that the food produced would be to ratio to the preys weight
So the percentage u recommended could be linked directly to the preys mass
The bigger the better
Well in terms of providing food
lilac swallow
@jovial moss totally agree, pachy should be the small tier fighter capable of crushing other small dinos but it should be the slower small dino, only faster than bigger predators
shut gale
^
jovial moss
Yep, thats what it should be ๐ more stamina built than speed built
and you know, tanky for the size
lilac swallow
An utah and dilo should be afraid of getting a head attack
jovial moss
if they're going to solo hunt something it shouldn't be something that has a battering ram for a face, thats all im sayin
lilac swallow
An utah rn can easily take 2 hits and run away because pachy is bleeding and while the utah is heavily hurt It doesnt matter because the utah isnt bleeding so it could just run away
jovial moss
Exactly my issue, carnivore/herbivore face offs are pretty unbalanced without a secondary "thing" to your advantage
hence my hatred of bleed and bonebreak being denied herbis
lilac swallow
Rn utah is the one who start the fight but also the one who ends it if isnt going well, pachy has no option but to fight but pachy isnt good rn at fighting
And the fact that pachy grows slower than carno 
jovial moss
With Pachy you can't play like a normal herbivore, you either HAVE to kamikaze into everything or just, never make any noise ever, sit in a tree and be bored
ugh I would have added that to fix too but I wrote a small book
lmao
lilac swallow
But cant be hiden when juv pachy is the second thirstyest thing in the game
polar juniper
suggestion's good but I don't think the weight and health buff is necessary
everything else would already make it tanky af to small tiers
plus it's already heavier than dilo and utah
lilac swallow
Weight and health buf is to make it a combat oriented small dino, they could buff It and if It gets out of hands revert It later
lilac swallow
100 kg when you weight a ton isnt noticeable
What does it make, recieving 95% of dmg from a dilo instead of 100%?
jovial moss
The slight mass and weight increase would make it less simple to kill as a solo hunter, it should not be an easy thing to solo for other small tiers
shut gale
yeah everything on the suggestion would make the pachy a true tanky fella. without making it op
elfin compass
Huh alright
amber linden
I would really enjoy a naming option in game at some point so I don't have to be called by my steam username. Unsure what everyone else thinks about that however
mystic kestrel
@elfin compass
keen shoal
I suggest that the one call for Apexs carry much further . A fun homework for the developers is to go to a zoo or animal rescue with an adult Tiger and see if the staff can get it to Roar . It is the most terrifying sound you'll ever hear and it carries about 5 miles
nocturne blaze
@clear turret there's already a no variation option 
sly ember
They want it removed
clear turret
the fact that there is a no variation option is exactly the problem ๐
ruby jacinth
Medium carnis and small ones shouldn't be going after apexs @silent bay
If you can just ass ride a rex it's no longer something to be feared
silent bay
Yeah i totaly agree with you, but it can be pretty anoying when you'r nesting for example carnos or allos, and then a wild rex or giga is coming to your nesting spot, you have 0 chance to make him leave the area (Im playing on a no-rule so things can be different)
ruby jacinth
Yeah it's annoying but at that point you just gotta move
A lack of alt turns also makes Utah op
Cerato too
spiral pond
You can still make them screw up and kill em
ruby jacinth
You can but it's not fun at all
silent bay
Yeah i agree with the fact that it makes utah OP, but now its just not worth playing medium carnis, unless you'r hunting only juves or subs^^
And yeah its supposed to be the case i got it
ruby jacinth
I'd say wait for the combat rework so we won't need alt turn anymore
silent bay
Yeah this is why im not crying and im just wondering hehe
ruby jacinth
Nah it's fine you're alot more open to other opinions than most 
silent bay
Haha
ruby jacinth
I do agree that combat is bad atm though
silent bay
I can't wait for all the reworks btw ๐
Yeah and we still can see some hitbox issue tho but i bet it will be fixed with the rework ๐
keen shoal
@silent bay Nick that is what happens in the real life
you have to pack and leave or have a large pack to maybe ward off an apex
silent bay
Once i had a 15's carnos pack, we all got killed by a single giga, guess how ? xD
keen shoal
Yeah you should have left the apex alone then? Hyenias dont hunt lions
silent bay
ruby jacinth
And the lion was "alt turning" in that
ruby jacinth
Besides, 15 carnos can kill a giga they just need good timing on attacks
keen shoal
lol
ruby jacinth
There's Utah packs that kill sub rexes with decent strategy
silent bay
Utah is different, carnos are freaking trucks, the radius tho xD
ruby jacinth
True, it just means the Carnos more skill to do it
silent bay
Yep agree
keen shoal
If they add the head butt slice for the Carnos back in with a bleed like before carnos will be more dangerous
silent bay
Oof that has to be noice ^^
keen shoal
Nick did you play the carno before they removed it?
silent bay
Nope ^^ i started the game this january
umbral prairie
I hope for alt turn to get an animation
and perhaps be a little slower on some dinos
like giga
silent bay
Yeah i belive you Kevint ๐
silent bay
I can't wait to see how it goes after that ๐ฎ
umbral prairie
I think it would be very cool to see dinos actually grab on to prey biting down on them for a longer time than just a mouse click, like a rex crushing an allo neck or something. that would have to take some skill and luck to do so it is not too strong
but that would probably be very hard to implement
silent bay
Thats a lot of works to make it clean ๐ค
umbral prairie
since the creatures need to align properly, and there would have to be many animations depending on the size of the attacked creature and where you are attacking
silent bay
Thats would be pretty sick tho
sly ember
Combat feels very janky the way it is now
umbral prairie
part of the problem are the buggy hitboxes
and that dinos can run through each other
sly ember
Mmhm
umbral prairie
and a rex breaking legs by biting tails
sly ember
A rex bit my face and my leg was broken
I was like ok guess that's it then
Time to lie down and die
umbral prairie
bone break is too strong right now
rex needs it
because it has so little stam
and it would not kill bigger things in time before it's stam is gone
sly ember
Mmhm. But it is in need of correcting at least
umbral prairie
it is way too easy to break legs right now, plus things with a broken leg not being able to alt turn is practically a death sentence for them
@barren zephyr alt turn is very important for combat though
otherwise a utah can solo a rex
because it keeps ass riding it
of course it can be annoying if something cuntinuously turns in one spot
but it is better than apexes dying to stupid raptors
barren zephyr
But they already do
barren zephyr
It basically impossible because of the hitboxes
umbral prairie
alt turn might get slower for some creatures once the combat rework is there
since ass riding will be inefficient with locational damage and dino collision
but right now you need alt turn to counter it
barren zephyr
What about when you stop alt turn you can bite in one second after
umbral prairie
how would that help
right now, dinos can just run through each other
in this one second a utah (or something else, just an example) can easily run through you and is on your ass again
barren zephyr
So like an allo spins in a circle and spam biting and abusing the hitboxes
umbral prairie
I would just leave alt turn as it is, the code rework will hopefully fix hitboxes
plus dino collision will make running through each other impossible
barren zephyr
I guess so
umbral prairie
so you won't need a fast alt turn to get things off your ass since they won't be able to stay there
barren zephyr
Then how you able to attack them then?
Since you have be inside the leg hit the target
umbral prairie
turning around, just not as fast since they won't be able to assride you if you have a slow turn anymore
barren zephyr
Then when you hit them you will take dmg everytime
umbral prairie
if you just stand around doing nothing but turning around, yes
if you actually fight and play a bit more offensive, not really
I really hope they change how attacking works
other than giving utah a pounce
i would be very cool if you were able to grab things and bite down on them for a longer time, but during that time you are vulnerable to attacks of other things
so for example a sub rex gets attacked by a small utah pack. it manages to get a good grip on one utah, biting down on it and almost killing it, making it incapable of continuing to fight, but during that time the other utahs have the chance to pounce on the sub rex or bite it's sides
since it cannot turn and bite them
barren zephyr
Me too i wonder how would giga and trike play out
umbral prairie
bleeders in general could maybe have a worse grip than 'crushers' (like rex) but the more the prey struggles to get out of the grip the more bleed is inflicted
so an allo grabbing a maia, and the maia tries to escape the grab but in the process of doing so it might get extra bleed
since the allo teeth cut through the maias hide while it pulls itself out of the mouth
and maybe giga will have the ability to rip out pieces of flesh from living creatures? like a giga ripping out a piece of flesh of a brachi, leaving the brachi with a bit of bleed and the giga with a bit of food
thorny lynx
Gigas are probably going to hunt sauropods as a staple or maybe flesh graze off them
normal fern
Bleeders in general probably would have worse grip, but Allo wouldn't, it has massive claws to hold on
teal grotto
@umbral prairie @barren zephyr there are a secret thing you don't know about the giga the giga has Bleed reduction resistance the moment it bites someone.. So if you are biting a trike the Trikes bleed resistance will drop per bite..
mental sleet
wat
umbral prairie
how does that have anything to do with alt turn and a grabbing mechanic though
teal grotto
Im still sleepy seen bleeders as I stood up all night growing my apex forgive me lol
So thought you were talking about something completely different just ignore me xD
teal grotto
Yes
umbral prairie
nice
teal grotto
Helping someone else right now so eyes are heavy
umbral prairie
I haven't been an adult apex since R2 was removed
teal grotto
I prefer giga
umbral prairie
I have never been a full adult giga
teal grotto
Cause it requires you to use a brain rather relie on a broken mechanic.. Looking at you rex
umbral prairie
last time I tried it was when official servers had no rules
and I got killed by a megapack
yeah combat is weird right now
teal grotto
Bone break on Rex.... Its retarded
umbral prairie
bb is far too easy to apply and once your leg is broken you're pretty much done since you can't alt turn
teal grotto
1 Rex can wreck a whole pack with that 1 ability
Giga on the other hand requires skill
umbral prairie
rex needs it right now though because of it's very limited stam, it would not be able to kill bigger things without bb because it's stam would be depleted before it wuold do enough damage to kill
but it is too strong
teal grotto
Had 3v1 a Rex..
Us 3 Gigas almost lost or lives
Our
Took a bite to our tail tips to break our legs
Which again.. Why the hell is that a thing
umbral prairie
because they can't code locational damage yet with the broken hitboxes
it will get better with the recode
teal grotto
One can only hope
umbral prairie
and there will be a combat rework eventually
I'd imagine that once combat is finalized rex will win in a clean 1v1 against giga, but if the giga surprises the rex with some good hits it will be able to bleed it out
teal grotto
Actually right now its set that Rex is top dog if it is looking at you..
umbral prairie
it is
giga can pretty much fuck up everything else but is very vulnerable to rexes
umbral prairie
but I hope bleed will get some changes, aswell as bb (for example multiple levels of bb? with bone fracture, bone break and shattered bone or sth like that)
also locational damage and collision will change combat a lot
teal grotto
Least with bleed you can heal it off on the move if its not thAT bad and can stop it from killing you
uneven epoch
Yeah
teal grotto
I'd rather be bleeding on the run rather then have my leg broken cause rng
teal grotto
It should be based on tier
umbral prairie
bleed right now kills a bit too quickly imo, a giga sets almost everything on max bleed pretty much instantly and most things need to sit down very shortly after that or they're dead
and if they sit they're also dead
umbral prairie
yes but then the giga comes in to bite them
teal grotto
If you got away and your hidden in a stack of Christmas trees at night there worst enemy... Your going to heal that bleed off
I had more trouble with a broken leg then I did with bleed
umbral prairie
I thought of bleed being like an own stat, so you have x amount of blood on full health, and bleed will drain that amount. if you lost very much blood you and your biteforce will get slower, and if it drains even more you die. If you don't bleed anymore you regenerate blood, and you will get to full strength again. I don't know how well this would work but in my opinion it is better than draining health, since that can lead to you getting oneshot by something significantly smaller than you just because you were bleeding. If you're weakened and slowed a bit, you would still be more vulnerable and smaller things will be more likely to kill you, but you at least have the chance to fight back instead of being 2 or 3 shotted.
teal grotto
Well bleed is connected to blood as is health.. So..
And less blood you have less health but if you wanted to put it as a mechanic
Then you should make it that the less blood you have the more agenerline you have
pseudo falcon
@mystic kestrel Why do you dislike my suggestion. Your name was help trike ffs
mystic kestrel
cant turn as dino
umbral prairie
again, you will still be vulnerable to smaller things than usually and will be easier to kill, but they would still need to work for it instead of giving you 2 bites and you're done. It is like a human that just lost a lot of blood dying to a cat biting the human's foot, which is dumb. If the cat wanted to kill the human (unlikely) it would be able to since the human is weakened though
mystic kestrel
with 1 functional leg
pseudo falcon
But you can...
teal grotto
Say if you wanted to make bleed a mechanic the way your talking the only way I can think of is agenerline rush
teal grotto
So more bleed you have the more damage you take but all other stats get boosted
As your trying to fight to live
Instincts get turned up to 11
pseudo falcon
@mystic kestrel it would be significantly easier to turn than it is to walk with a broken leg... idk why you're under the impression it would be harder...
teal grotto
But in the progress your sound is slowly slowly getting muted fading out
umbral prairie
at first yes, but if you lose more blood the other stats like run/attack speed will get slower
teal grotto
Sight is getting blurry
mystic kestrel
in place
pseudo falcon
Break your leg and try and walk
mystic kestrel
u wont do both
pseudo falcon
Exactly
mystic kestrel
Alt turn is advantage
umbral prairie
sight getting blurry would be very close to death so it is not annoying if you're in a fight you might still win
mystic kestrel
of having no bone break
pseudo falcon
This gaamae isn't realistic
umbral prairie
it would be at the state where you'd have to sit down immediately or die
pseudo falcon
No, ass riding is mental
teal grotto
Im saying Sammel instincts turn up to 11 you take more damage cause your trying to live and push your self.. Like inBezerker the magna
Fight till you die
pseudo falcon
Alt turning with a broken leg makes about as much sense as walking with a broken leg
umbral prairie
that would be cool, but It would have to be optional
teal grotto
Ik what your talking about but you must attach a positive with the negative as animals instinct is to live to survive..
umbral prairie
either you boost yourself at the risk of getting more damage
or you slowly get weaker as you lose blood
teal grotto
So the more bleed you have you take more damage from another bleeding bit..
Say example
Before bleed your 100% resistance to bleed
Then your bleeding.. It drops under say 50% health
Your bleed resistance drops to say 30%
umbral prairie
oh so in your variant bleed still drains health
teal grotto
Mhm
umbral prairie
I thought it could be combined with an own blood stat
umbral prairie
blood should not be the same as health tho
umbral prairie
I'll get my weird example again, a human that lost a lot of blood will not die to a single bite of lets say a wolf if the wolf bites the human in the foot (like a utah with a bleeding sub rex) but it can still kill the human because it is weakened
umbral prairie
yes that is why you would die if you lost too much blood
but blood should not equal health
umbral prairie
so you do not get 2 shotted by something significantly smaller
teal grotto
Your bleeding internally
Your still bleeding but least its internal
As internal bleeding heal
But if your sick
Your still "bleeding"
Look up health science and you will understand why it can't be seperated
umbral prairie
again, I am not saying you should be perfectly fine with low blood
but health in game is like how inact your tissue is, if you get bitten by a rex the tissue gets ripped apart, and I know if you bleed your cells start do die aswell but again, if you lost a lot of blood, you will not die to one bite of a smaller animal
it would still be able to kill you
teal grotto
Then your talking about not bleed damage but body damage
umbral prairie
since your condition is critical and your body can't function correctly
but it will still need to work for the kill
teal grotto
I know what your saying but it still leads to bleeding as to health
Body damage wounding is still connected to health
Blood etc
I get you
umbral prairie
I still think in game bleed should not directly drain your health stat, it would of course it would affect your health irl and so would it in game with you getting slower and weaker, but draining blood should not be ewual to your health stat draining
teal grotto
But you still have to understand you can't separate blood from body
Blood is your life fluids and they make your body
If you lost blood its still connected to health of someone.
If you bleed your losing health
umbral prairie
that is why you would die if you lose too much, I am not saying you should be fine with no blood, but I guess this is getting nowhere, I don't have the feeling you get what I try to say but maybe I am understanding something wrong aswell
lilac swallow
Sammel is not saying that losing blood wont kill you, is saying that losing blood shouldnt make you one shot able to utahs as apexes
teal grotto
I know what he is saying and i understand him a full 110%
umbral prairie
but why are you still referring to irl health things
teal grotto
But when you try to separate the two it just won't work out that well it sounds cool in context but its impossible to do
umbral prairie
how tf is it impossible
teal grotto
Basicly saying without body damage there is no bleeding
lilac swallow
Idk
teal grotto
You take damage it takes away your health..
umbral prairie
this is slowly making me angry now so I will stop
teal grotto
But having it acseperate stat is just having hey heroes two health stats that are the same but they are different when they aren't... Im nor trying to argue or say your wrong or im wrong in the manner and I know what your trying to say.. But if your bleeding it don't mean much as your body clots the blood when it comes out and reforms your body material on its own
So its because of that the blood and skin are the same stuff is why its hard to make sense..
So if your bleeding it effects your health of your body..
Less blood the more your going to die so health drops
That's just how the body works
waxen elk
AAA??? ALT TURN IN FIGHTS IS BAD GIV MEDIUM CARNI A CHANCE
teal grotto
Zesk are you trying to hunt an apex by your self?
pseudo falcon
Its sarcasm
stark ruin
I die inside when people want to delete alt turn
edgy furnace
^
stark ruin
Also monitoring the speed of the alt turn on various playables is a good way to find balance in it
Like, Diablo and Trike which aren't very fast should be able to make quick turns like that to defend themselves
And generallly, if you're bleeding and surrounded by multiple, say utahs or dilos, you don't have any way to defend yourself if you can't alt-turn...
you're forced to move and bleed to be able to turn
and that's a sucky way to lose an almost adult sub giga you know
barren zephyr
@clear turret Why? I love the no variation option. I use it on every dino D:
vestal rune
oof
classic "I died to this animal nerf it plz" situation
into the garbage it goes
Also I do kinda agree with removing the no variation option, it allows people to make some horribly eyesoreish creations
barren zephyr
Itโs not one of those situations @vestal rune
umbral prairie
just look at diablo
and try to imagine what those horns would to to this utah if the game was more realistic
barren zephyr
Diablo really shouldnโt be able to one shot a fully grown Utah. If it was Juvi Utah then yeah
umbral prairie
utah is supposed to be agile and powerful in packs, not tanking ceratopsians
spiral pond
Are you trolling now ?
barren zephyr
No Iโm not trolling. Iโm serious
spiral pond
Why would you even hunt an animal 3 times toe weight
umbral prairie
as a creature that is supposed to be fragile
barren zephyr
food for starters
spiral pond
What ?
willow zealot
(Anyone onow what the name of the turtle that I think was in the cretaceous period?)
sly ember
do you hunt rexes for food?
spiral pond
Do you hunt trike for food as Utah ?
barren zephyr
No I donโt hunt Rexes for food Iโm not that dumb. If it was a Juvi yes.
cyan flame
Considering dibbles are pretty much a mini trike, I think you should treat them the same way you treat a trike, a very powerful (for its size) brawler with high bleed, lots of weight, and with enough attitude to take on a small herd (especially dibbles, they are known to be highly aggressive.. :p)
spiral pond
Dibble is perhaps my balances now
waxen elk
Diablo SHOULD one shot Utahraptor
umbral prairie
you also don't try to solo a diablo as a utah
barren zephyr
Sub or Adult I stay away from unless I was in a pack
cyan flame
An ava would be more along the size for a utah I think :p
spiral pond
Thatโs like trying to solo a para as Utah
waxen elk
Ava should still do some damage to Utah tbh
barren zephyr
No Diablo should NOT @waxen elk
waxen elk
yES
cyan flame
No, it's like soloing a maia as a utah, even that is dangerous :p
waxen elk
Yes it should
umbral prairie
it should
spiral pond
Ok tell us why not ?
barren zephyr
No it shouldnโt
cyan flame
They don't actually oneshot, you can survive if you rest I think? :p
umbral prairie
why not?
spiral pond
The reason behind it
barren zephyr
No I got one shot, Erik
waxen elk
Your fault then
spiral pond
Tell us the reason already we donโt have all day
waxen elk
For getting hit by an animal 13 km/h slower
cyan flame
Well, utahs would be the "power" of the raptor group, but then what we got ingame aren't utahs :p
spiral pond
Also your fault for picking fights
umbral prairie
it is risky to fight with utah
waxen elk
You died that's frustrating, but that doesn't excuse you saying "NERF X"
cyan flame
But in any case, considering a pachy is supposed to be a tough fight for a utah
I've no idea why you think a critter a few times that weight, with even more lethal weaponry, would be any safer to take on :p
umbral prairie
diablo should definitely one shot utahs because it grows way longer and specifies in damage rather than wearing things down, like utah packs do
barren zephyr
I wasnโt picking fights. I needed food
umbral prairie
do you know what AI is
barren zephyr
No it shouldnโt
waxen elk
Why not
umbral prairie
give us a reason
waxen elk
Explain
umbral prairie
why it shouldn't
cyan flame
You weren't going to win anyway Leo.. unless that dibble was utter crap.. :p
umbral prairie
a good one
barren zephyr
There was none around dumbass
umbral prairie
that is not
waxen elk
If you had a group then yeah
umbral prairie
'it is unfair'
sly ember
if you are hungry, AI spawns
waxen elk
Already pulling the insults card?
sly ember
it is literally triggered by your hunger
cyan flame
Even if it took you two hits, you'd be bleeding, and heavily damaged, and the dibble would barely be harmed and heal off your bleed just fine
So I don't really know what you'd like changed honestly, even if it took the dibble two hits, it would still not end well for you, the only reason a pachy is doable is because of the crap bleed resist/heal it has, fix that, and you'd find even them a pain, despite taking 2-3 hits to take you out as utah I believe
umbral prairie
yes no alt turn server for the win
waxen elk
BECAUSE ITS HYPER INTELLIGENT
umbral prairie
and make utah faster than carno it is unfair that it can't outrun it
sly ember
I think gallis need a buff. they should be an apex?
barren zephyr
No one said anything about Utah one shotting Rexes you fucking idiot
sly ember
I still await an explanation of your reasoning
umbral prairie
or simple jokes referring to a big part of utah players
waxen elk
They have no counter argument/braincells so they use their last resort and screech "FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCKER GO FUCK YOURSELF"
cloud ice
You forget to put a fucker at the end
vestal rune
diablo is a high risk high reward prey item
it could sustain the utah for a long time
but for a solo utah, it should be totally of the table
waxen elk
Get a pack, it will work if you have any braincells
vestal rune
so it doesn't matter that it one shots it, because in a pack no one should be getting hit
sly ember
if you want a big meal, you gotta put in big effort. which in this case means finding a pack. herbis aren't gonna roll over dead for carnis just because they're hungry. they are not the grass they feed on
native nebula
huh, never really knew Archelon was so gigantic. i think it's more likely regular old turtles would get added than something as spectacular as that.
vestal rune
I'm liking the doc suggestion trend lmao
sly ember
good formatting is nice
glass blaze
Would buffing Giga bleed even do anything in practical terms? It's already 50 base and Giga's heavier than everything but Trike right now.
Well, everything playable that is.
violet magnet
buffing giga's bleed would result in giga pretty much oneshotting all the midtiers
i mean it pretty much does already but they'd bleed out much faster than they already do
mossy mauve
Why does giga need a buff?
desert prairie
Doesn't.
mossy mauve
exactly
mossy mauve
Rex needs a slight nerf. a slight nerf. Don't come for my family trexmaster9000
giga is good as it is
shut gale
@glass blaze if you're talking about vs apexes. no it would have little to no effect x)
ocean vortex
@cyan flame I've won a 1v1 against a dibble as a Dilo once
Its possible, but its really difficult
misty island
@ocean vortex i shall be like one of the toxic ppl
NO YOU ONLY WON BECAUSE THE DIBBLE IS BAD
LIKE VERY BAD
ITS NOT POSSIBLE
ocean vortex
oh we were sparring on sandbox
misty island
i was just trying out see if this is any fun
cus i dont get it everytime when ppl do that
they argue about rex vs trike
they say rex shits over trike no problem follow up by BUFF TRIKE
but truth is if the trike land even one stomp rex is gonna lose the fight if it stays
and everytime i pointed that out they goes
THAT REX IS BAD
end
lilac swallow
I dont want to start an argument because i have no time but i beg you to remember that a rex can easily tank 1 or 2 stomps, bb the trike and then just assride. And also remember that stomp is practically useles since it deals the same dmg than 3 gores and but at the same time you do a stomp you can also do 3 gores
misty island
work ou the math urself
and also
you dontt have to wait till the rex is near you to stomp
lilac swallow
I know
misty island
you initiate wih it
lilac swallow
I do
misty island
you dontt have time
i ama not keep you
and i shall return to green hell
needa get that metal spear
valid flower
@barren zephyr it should one shot a fully grown Utah lol
silver copper
@acoustic basin I been working on this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cGrVzB6H88d6bqgt9cBuF7sfeNTcjjUpatVRf0Ymo6s/edit?usp=sharing
acoustic basin
Seems like a sheet with less information than what Fragon linked ๐ค
silver copper
Less information? Did you look at the different sheets?
The first page are just basic adult stats to see at a glance
the other pages and graphs go more in depth
plz look again @acoustic basin
acoustic basin
Ah they are visible now ๐ I think you had them hidden before ๐
silver copper
nope, they probably just didn't finish loading in for you yet
barren zephyr
@valid flower No it SHOULD NOT one shot a fully grown Utah.
lilac swallow
You are using the weakest carni vs the strongest mid tier herbi (second strongest herbi) you SHOULD be one shoted
barren zephyr
No you shouldnโt
paper oriole
Yes it should
Salty oootah
Look at the horns on a diablo and tell me that shit wouldnt turn a utah into a dino donut
Not to mention the weight diff
barren zephyr
A fully grown adult Utah should NOT be one shot by a Diablo. It makes zero sense.
paper oriole
Lmao
lilac swallow
If you was starving, is your fault, with the ai spwaning just at your side and the fact that utah can fill all its food with just a taco
Im an utah player i know what im talking about
barren zephyr
There were no ai around
paper oriole
If no AI was spawning for what ever reason just move another hundred feet
barren zephyr
Not allowed to sit in the pond on the server I was on
paper oriole
AI does not spawn in a few patches of the map if you happened to be in one of those spots
barren zephyr
And I wasnโt about to move to another location when thereโs no other water source for miles
lilac swallow
I mean not inside the pond just at near a pond
paper oriole
Just like run a little distance to spawn AI and then double back unless the server had AI turned off it really is a nobrainer
On the bright side the dibble sped up your death as opposed to starvation lmao
paper oriole
Nah dibble is fine
barren zephyr
No itโs not you fucking idiot
paper oriole
Herbivores are in a sticky spot rn we dont need them being nerfed
lilac swallow
Another insult
paper oriole
Lnao devolving to insults
If herbivores get weaker than they are theyll be so goddamn scarce, carnis appeal to most already
lilac swallow
Even if nerfed to tge ground diablo would still easily kill utah
barren zephyr
It shouldnโt be able to one shot
paper oriole
Yes it should
barren zephyr
No it shouldnโt you god damned mother fucker
barren zephyr
If youโre going to be this idiotic then fine, enjoy being blocked.
lilac swallow
You are using the bottom 3 waekest Dino vs the top 4 strongest dino even if It dont one shot you you would die by bleed in seconds whats the point of attacking a diablo as utah in first place
paper oriole
Hey Leo i hope you know that too much salt is bad for your health
lilac swallow
@paper oriole i think we should tell a moderator or what ever about this guy
paper oriole
Yeah this boi aint right
lilac swallow
These kind of players make me stop playing utah(my fave carni) so i dont get confused with one of them
paper oriole
Its a real shame, truly. Utah is a fun dino. But it shouldnt pick on things like dibble alone and then cry over it
lilac swallow
It should have a hard time taking a diablo even in packs
paper oriole
Exactly
lilac swallow
Diablo is a brawler is meant to fight
Im curious to know whats taking kilwrathy so long to writte
burnt lodge
I would agree alone... it should dip on out. Irl lil dibble would smack the hell out of it... gameplay wise I think massive damage and bleed but the ability for the Utah to be able to run away and heal very quickly or die while OTHER pack mates take it on or distract. There's a lot of variables that has to be taken into consideration... but I don't think dibble needs a nerf.
paper oriole
The only ceratops a utah should look at as food are avas and tacos
Unless they are in a good sized pack
lilac swallow
Utahs fight at most vs dinos not 100% focused on combat like para, para can fight but enought utahs can take one but diablo? Only if the diablo wants to die or if It is a 20 utah pack which dont care about sacrifices
paper oriole
Honestly herbis need more (not dibble but in general) utility because carnis are getting most of the spotlight and making playing an herbi less appealing
burnt lodge
Yup
lilac swallow
Rn now even in 50%-50% fight the herbi is allways the one who needs to be more skilled
No carni feels danger when starting a fight
paper oriole
Yeah and its a real shame, many cool dinos becoming so rare because playing them is just waiting to be killed and basically nothing more
burnt lodge
Wanna make trike scary.. add bone break to the stomp... hell give it to dibble but a slight speed decrease
lilac swallow
Im not against Rex bone break but right now a Rex can tank a stomp, break a trike leg, run through the trike body and ass bite
paper oriole
The fact that only rex has it is the issue
And i know that will change in the future but right now its miserable
lilac swallow
With just body colision tge trike would be balanced because the Rex even doing bb would have to round the trike
paper oriole
Hopefully trample will help too
lilac swallow
I dont see trampling a rex logical as trike, what are you gonna trample its feets?
But again this game isnt the most logical game
paper oriole
I mean it could bowl rex over and smush him lol, that would be kinda silly tho
lilac swallow
That would be cool
burnt lodge
Like a charge
burnt lodge
Double damage if it connects lmao
paper oriole
It could be a great herbi mechanic
lilac swallow
I just think "if a prey has 0 chance of avoiding a fight due to either beeing slow or un hideable It should at least have easier time fighting than the predator"
jovial moss
Man that one guy raged hard wtf
jovial moss
He should try being an herbivore and see how it feels to get bulldozed by every carnivore that detects you lmao
lilac swallow
Is truly a shame that my fave carni (and almost the only i play) has such a dumb player base
It only makes me be hated by others because i play utah
jovial moss
Utah players wouldn't be so bad if they played the dino how they're supposed to, instead of kamikaze dying to something a million times their size then wondering why they died
lilac swallow
I just hope ptera doesnt get ruined by the same players
jovial moss
I'm sure flying dinos will be very annoying :p
lilac swallow
Back when utah rock was a thing i was the only utah who tried to make other go away from rock
paper oriole
I'd love to play herbis more but its either super boring and lonely or just a cycle of constant death i have no chance against, no inbetweens
spiral pond
Go mania and purge all apex juvies and subs
paper oriole
lol i try, i avoid killing herbis too
lilac swallow
I play: pachy,para,trike,some galli,utah, or whatever carni my bro is playing and i practically end up playing only whatever my bro is playing fue to herbis being boring/dying and getting bored to play only utah as only carni
jovial moss
Herbie juvies: good and pure and deserve the best in life
Carni juvies: evil
spiral pond
One of the best things is scaring the shit outta juvi apexes as dilo before I vore then
paper oriole
I enjoy gali, well i did until their jump was nerfed to useless levels
spiral pond
All herbs are ok except trike Pachy and para
lilac swallow
I suppose if player didnt become bloodthirsty as herbis when a herbi get buffed they would be buffing more herbis
@spiral pond just the 3 i play 
paper oriole
Hopefully when affinity comes they will have more room to buff herbis
spiral pond
Para can yeet itself into allo pack mouths
Since you canโt do anything about it
If you run, they trot you down, if you fight, you die
paper oriole
Yea and i love para too :( they make some of the coolest noises and are cute
lilac swallow
I think from my point of view that if Affinity discouraged but not prohibited becoming a murdering herbi It would be fine
spiral pond
Para just needs very small adjustments
lilac swallow
Paras aren cool they are beautiful
spiral pond
Like trot and normal sprint speed
paper oriole
Their 3 call is like a war horn
lilac swallow
The problem with para vs allo is that even if balanced the allo can run away if the para is wining but the para cant run away whe is losing due to bleed
spiral pond
EXACTLY
paper oriole
Some paras stalked me in the swamp before and all 3 called and my speakers were just static
spiral pond
You just canโt get run down by paras as allo
paper oriole
Para needs to be able to skedaddle and not be a sitting buffet
spiral pond
Their headbutt is crap and you have bleed
lilac swallow
An allo die with 3 kicks right? So if the allo gets 2 It can just run away
lilac swallow
But a para is doomed to end the fight either wining or losing
spiral pond
Maybe increase para agrowth to 3.5 hours and make them better
And maybe adjust juvi para
lilac swallow
Para could be sucho power level, an in between mid and apex, but obviously weaker than sucho due to being more running focused and not a brawler
spiral pond
Yep
burnt lodge
Maybe allow para to kick while 1/2 movement speed๐ค
lilac swallow
Para dmg is fine
spiral pond
For allo defense for Sucho run
lilac swallow
And due to not beeing an hyper speed runer It should be a "endurance runner" I think with just a nice trot and/or better stam regen para would be perfect
spiral pond
I think it should be faster then allo by 0.2
lilac swallow
Ye
spiral pond
Or 0.3 if you want nice numbers
lilac swallow
Is not like para can run away if is bleeding
spiral pond
It can, but it will be sitting forever
lilac swallow
I think one of the mains problems for herbis is that every carni has bleed+raw dmg but no herbi but 2 has bleed or a unique mechanic to try to counter the carni, herbis has just raw dmg
lilac swallow
Better trot and/or stam regen i think is perfect
spiral pond
Sprint speed increase by either 0.2 or 0.3, better trot speed, better stam regen
And I think it would be perfect
If needed, para headbutt could get nerf to 200 N
lilac swallow
People usually dont like It but making para swim faster than average (not sucho swim speed) but wasting the same stam It wastes now could be nice to give it an unique niche, but im fine without it
My idea is: It can run away through rivers but not live in water
spiral pond
It would kinda be unique niche but itโs not that special
lilac swallow
Yeah i know
spiral pond
If it actively dorc d me to be in swamp I would go deaf soon
vestal rune
damn, another "I died to this creature please nerf it" suggestion
we'll need a landfill for those
indigo sun
Well i agree with the first suggestion anyway. I dont think apexes should get a second chance to just be a full adult if they die. It would overpopulate the servers more than they already are if apex players can just come back to life.
shut gale
@lethal saddle it is not. it might have to do with the allo and dilo not being both fully grown. x)
south flower
@vital siren Did you watch Jurassic Park right before you made that suggestion? ๐
versed blaze
Yeah, that part was all made up. Not real at all
indigo sun
I don't see either of those things happening regardless. But also, I don't remember hearing anything about Dilophosaurus being able to spit poison or any evidence pointing to it.
versed blaze
It didn't. No dinosaur does. No evidence of it anyway
indigo sun
The rex bit is also a bit odd. They were renowned for shaking their prey? Since when?
versed blaze
Some have grooves in their teeth and there is a debate about venom but nothing concrete
indigo sun
Likely just used to make them seem scarier in JP
barren zephyr
@versed blaze it was denounced that sinorthosaurus (i think thats what it was) had any venom, but the isle is based on realism with sifi elements so things that arnt realistic can still get in
versed blaze
They aren't going to have a spitting Dilo
south flower
But yeah, spitting dilo is a no
It would be cool to have a creature with some sort of movable display like a frill, though
indigo sun
When?
barren zephyr
dondi said
its going to be something like a strain tho
not base dilo
not a strain but something like it
south flower
Was fixing to say, no normal dilo in the game will be spitting poison
indigo sun
Okay
versed blaze
Right, not normal dilo but like Tisso or something
indigo sun
I'll understand a strain or similar having venom
south flower
And the tall grass in the suggestion is a matter of time. They had some to test in the dev testing servers
vital siren
no i didn't watch jurassic park before that suggestion, but there is actual no evidence to suggest they did or didnt as proof
versed blaze
There is actually no evidence to support they did. They have no structures in their skull or jaw that would hold venom
indigo sun
If there's no actual evidence to support the claim they spit venom, then it'a about as viable of a claim as someone saying rexes spit poison
versed blaze
This really should go in #paleotalk
vital siren
but in terms of suggestion it wasn't only just about that it was also about the rex bite and also about the implement off long grass area for the raptors
willow zealot
How big would Archelon babies be?(definitely not pocket sized)
indigo sun
It's possible the rex bite will be changed cause hell, why wouldnt that thing be able to just pick up and shake a utah like a dog toy, but I'm not sure how well it'd work out. I feel like it goes along with suchomimus being able to grab and hold on to prey. It's definitely a cool idea, but gotta make sure it's not just you get grabbed and oops youre dead no chance
vital siren
i agree nines, there is alot off good points being thrown around
pseudo falcon
@valid flower ๐
valid flower
?
Get your salty toxic ass outa here
your irrelevant
It's okay, the admins will handle it
pseudo falcon
I'm just pointing out using that reaction to suggestions is toxic
indigo sun
No one uses that reaction to suggestions though? At least not from what I've seen.
sly ember
I've seen it a few times. maybe it was removed by mods after?
pseudo falcon
It's few and far between, but people do. People like Jerry do.
wintry cipher
@barren zephyr saying this as a Utah main: Diablo has always one shot Utah, be it by bleed or by damage. It is mid tier prey, and you should not be hunting them unless you have a skilled pack that won't get hit to begin with. It doesn't need a nerf. You need to learn what you are capable of taking. Not crying to nerf something because it can one shot you. Everything can one shot Utah if given the chance. It's up to you to use your speed and agility to not get hit.
vestal rune
@willow zealot if archelon does make it in I HEAVILY doubt they'd be playable, so jellyfish wouldn't really be necessary. Jellyfish may posssibly be added just to flesh out the water though(not confirmed or even suggested, just a possibility)
@delicate depot why decrease the bone break chance? it's already basically 50% on gigas, and I suspect if it went any lower then gigas would have a field day with rexes
pulsar lake
For rex bone break
I want to say
New battle system will resolve this
You'll get grabbed in his mouth
With this he'll almost destroy you and you'll get the bone break
For all mid tier
I want to say it's normal to get bone breaked by a rex in allo when he bitte you body, but not for tail... He cut it
south flower
Guys arguing about the middle finger icon, keep it in dms. And donโt take reactions so personally.
delicate depot
@vestal rune 50%? If it were 50% against gigas, would not it have a problem with Tyrannosaurus and the other dinosaurs as well? Like Triceratops, Therizinosaurus, Spinosarus and more. If a tyrannosaurus bites his leg is almost sure that his leg will break.
cyan flame
I think it is about 60% chance/risk for legbreak on a giga from a rex, on trike it would be about 50%, it's not the 70% that rex has as a base value at least, since both the others are heavier, and that should affect it
blazing charm
@mild basin Ankylosaurus currently isn't in survival as either playable or AI, so I doubt it'd be on the current priorities.
white falcon
Regardless it will need bone break @mild basin
coarse thicket
Adding adrenaline would take away the advantage from ambushes and surprise attacks and be penalizing for the attacker.
blazing charm
Pretty much.
Your odds of survival are meant to decrease if you are bleeding or seriously injured, getting a damage or speed boost would just be a big 'fuck you' to anyone who manages to get the upperhand in a fight.
coarse thicket
While adrenaline in real life would give you quicker reflexes and timing, it wouldnโt realistically give you super strength or what not. The only adrenaline there should be is the adrenaline you get as the player controlling the dinosaur in fear of getting killed.
blazing charm
That meteorite thing would get annoying incredibly fast.
unborn quail
Blood loss trumps adrenaline, the only thing we will have in relation to that is Dryosaurus 'if I see a carnivore I go nyoom' Note: only when spotted
blazing charm
Not to mention it's an honestly useless addition, no need to draw further attention or add insult to injury to someone getting banned.
valid ridge
Relax man. Its just that sometime the game gets a bit empty. Seeing falling meteorite once in a while could be nice. And if you add an area around it with pieces of meat spread out( cause the dino was obliterated) and maybe better plants growing around after 1-2 day could make a good encounter
Spice things up
@blazing charm
white falcon
That would be amazing ๐ @valid ridge
valid ridge
I do believe so ๐
Change the game space a bit. Remove boring bush camping or lake camping. People would want to go and explore
blazing charm
Seeing a meteorite fall too often would return its effect, it would cool to see maybe once or twice but then it just starts to get boring.
valid ridge
I do not know actually how many ban there is tbh
If its that much maybe add an event or something
But i do think it could be a cool thing to add
blazing charm
If you HAD to add some kind of meteorite event, you could easily tie it to something much more meaningful rather than just banning someone.
candid wraith
^^^^
umbral prairie
it would be a cool thing to have, but I'd imagine people banning and unbanning friends to see the meteorite
candid wraith
Plus Meteorites falling, aside from it being cool, would just be too cliche for a dinosaur game, IMO.
valid ridge
I know that. Just shooting ideas up.
blazing charm
Okay, and we're just discussing why we think said idea is a bad idea.
valid ridge
We still need to wait a bit before coding why not have it fun meanwhile ๐
candid wraith
Because that's work for something that doesn't really need to exist, which also requires coding.
blazing charm
Adding in a meteor ban cue would just slow down the code rework even more.
That would be terrible idea.
valid ridge
But i would definetly like a meteorite falling down and wipe everything before the big coding reveal. Like a new chapter reset.
candid wraith
When you ban someone you already "Kill" their dinosaur by them not even coming back to your server, and having your progress wiped because you got kicked by someone is also bullshit.
blazing charm
^
valid ridge
All right. I take it. You guys take it way too seriously. I know its a bad idea. Its just that playing the game atm can feel empty and just copying the same pattern again and again in hope to see another player roaming around and interact with it.
I was just trying to had hazard/environnemental effect to spice thing up
Guess i gotta wait for it
blazing charm
I'm sure there will be plenty of different special events, but what you are describing just ruins any majesty they might have.
candid wraith
I'm not taking it way too seriously, i'm just being realistic, lol.
valid ridge
๐ yea. All good.
hoary ocean
but we have something better than a meteorite, /smite player
white falcon
Meteorite is cooler
hoary ocean
nah message from zeus better
white falcon
Itโs a puny lightning strike. Make the strike better and itโd be cooler
valid ridge
i mean, i like the way of a slow moving meteorite that gradually speed up and that target the dino... with no chance of escape... just splattering him.
but hey! its only an idea. maybe we could use it in a different way
just throwing out idea
steady cosmos
@hardy kernel you see, that would take at least an infinite ammount of times
at least, without a decent suggestion
hardy kernel
I already did, this is a long running serious joke
steady cosmos
Jokes arent serious
hardy kernel
k
sweet oasis
@hardy kernel Make actual suggestions instead of jokes.
hardy kernel
oof well i guess ill wait till after the recode to repost
blazing charm
I honestly have to agree, herbivore food should honestly be divided into small clusters scattered across the map, there always seems to be atleast one corner of the map that is just packed to the brim with bushes.
shell willow
they're packed mostly because no one goes there and they have time to spawn
from what I've seen
desert prairie
Wanting there to be even less bushes then there already is on the map? pass.
you would just be handicapping herbi players even more
unborn quail
There are tons of Herbi bushes on the map right now, especially v3
They aren't handicapped at all
desert prairie
Go play a herbi and tell me they are no where as useful as carnivores
Right now, carnivores get basically free food on the go
I can think of a few places off the top of my head that hardly/doesn't have bushes
hardy kernel
And theri would be near unplayable until it actually gets the ability to smell
Not that non survivals matter
valid flower
@floral plover I agree
I mean I have ๐ฏ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ถ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐พ๐๐พ๐๐
floral plover
Thanks.
shell willow
@thorny lynx Carno trades ambush for raw speed, it won't have an ambush
thorny lynx
That's why I said it wouldn't gain speed. It would just take less time to go from 0 to nyoom.
Crouching for a carno is useful when you don't want shit to hear your loud ass footsteps, but once you actually do move, it takes forever for you to get to top speed
shell willow
there would still be no use for it, in fact it would be less efficient because it would require crouch-walking which is slow, when you could already be at the target
carno can outrun everything it can catch
why would you need to sneak up on something if you can chase it down in minutes
thorny lynx
What if you wanna sneak attack tho
In thick swampy brush, it's nice because you can turn away and have something not notice where you are
shell willow
carnos sneak attacking is irrelevant because their best environment is out in the open where they don't get caught on rocks and trees
thorny lynx
I just hate how they're insanely slow to start. Utahs can ambush faster than carno can run and they have 0 momentum AND decent turn for an ambush that fast.
shell willow
they aren't insanely slow to start, it only takes a few seconds to get to top speed if you keep running
shell willow
a few seconds is nothing
thorny lynx
It is when you notice a rex nearby and he's about to ambush you
When you go from 0 to full speed, you transition from walk, to trot, THEN a run
shell willow
if the rex is noticeable from the distance it takes to zoom out of there, it's the carno's fault for getting caught
just cause something is fast doesn't mean it needs to be unstoppable
thorny lynx
It has more tradeoffs for its speed than it has its pros
Slow turn, slow to start, very weak bite, fragile
I can't wait until it gets its momentum mechanic and absolutely wrecks something when biting at full speed
shell willow
Carnos are stiff-tailed dinos, they weren't able to turn on a dime while they ran. They can outrun most things they can't fight, and even if something manages to ambush them, it's really the carno's fault. Even carnos need to be on high alert like everyone else.
Carnos at the moment need to gain momentum to go as fast as they do, which is what the "slow to start" is.
Carno's niche is being a fast boi, and there needs to be some chance of being caught by other predators, otherwise the speed would be too powerful.
polar juniper
idk why everyone keeps saying Dilo has a 1.1x ambush multiplier
If that were the case, they wouldn't be able to outspeed a utah while in ambush
Dilo hits 45.5 km/h while ambushing, which translates to a 1.17x ambush multiplier
Cerato is actually the ONLY adult carni that has a 1.1x ambush multiplier
jolly willow
cerato doesnt need the ambush
dondi has said before, it will never have an actual/proper ambush.
its whole catch is that it traded ambush speed for general speed
polar juniper
I think Cerato's ambush is okay
jolly willow
ehh
its not that he needs a longer sprint duration
its that allo might need an adjust tbh
shut gale
I would actually like to see no ambush in the cerato once its scavanger thing works
polar juniper
Oh I thought we talking about ambush duration
jolly willow
ambush duration is fine afaik
jolly willow
perhaps
polar juniper
I think the standard 12 would be good for it
or maybe allo ambush duration should be decreased a bit
jolly willow
maybe
polar juniper
to like 8-10s
It's already got a good multiplier and that last speed buff made it even faster
jolly willow
ye
floral plover
My suggestion got deleted?
I def did not delete it.
Mods/Devs? wanna explain why.
dreamy basin
@jolly willow i play allo all the time. It's speed feels good. fast enough to ambush a mia. Enough for a couple bites. There are a couple herbis that are fast enough to kill allo. I feel like it needs the sprint. I have never chased a cerato to exhaustion though, never know how many are over the hill. Maybe just me but i don't mess with cerato
oh and just fast/long enough to ambush a big herd of pachy harassing me lol
and if i don't get too close i can sprint away from theri enough to hide anyway. I don't mess with theri.
tepid light
@floral plover I believe it was done by accident, you can put it back in there
odd idol
@floral plover My bad, I tried to clean up the periods that you posted and it deleted part of the suggestion. My sincere apologies.
barren zephyr
@fading shadow i disagree with giga needing a new pattern, in my opinion it is the best looking pattern and most customizable out of all the apexes, like look at all the trike skins posted at #skins alot of them look alike because of the annoying black part taking 85% of the trikes body
also i made some skins that i think look good with giga.
umbral prairie
I don't get why everybody dislikes the rex 3 call anim
I think it looks fine
the thing with the arms is a bit weird but the rest is ok
lilac swallow
@bleak hearth just imagine this happening when pteras gets implemented, pteras would be just inedible if they die in midair
floral plover
Oh okay np.
valid ridge
Ptera dogfighting would be nice to see
keen shoal
This may have been suggested already but. For predator smell instead of line of site for gut piles maybe just have a red haze on the compass indicating there's a carcus in this direction
For like up to half mile it would make for a more interesting clash would lure in most predators and scavangers, and would be a little more realistic
umbral prairie
trike bb is unnecessary, rex can still pretty much face tank a trike and win iirc, it will be able to do so with a broken leg
I'd imagine some herbis getting bb after the combat rework, since it will (hopefully) not just be a chance to apply bb
but you will actually have to hit the leg to break it
cursive onyx
Nothing like getting your tail bitten and leg breaks XD
umbral prairie
yeah that's pretty dumb
cursive onyx
Just fix the rex hit box so you can fight it and actually enjoy fighting it.
umbral prairie
I hope there will be 'stages' of bb, like fractured bone, broken bone and shattered bone or something like it, so the more you get hit (by something with bb)the less mobile you are
yeah hitbox fixes are probably included in the recode
cursive onyx
Even with a broken leg animals can still move fast when they are fighting and their adrenaline is pumping.
umbral prairie
that is why I thought about different 'stages' so bb is not instant death (since you cannot alt turn with a broken leg) if you get bitten once
craggy river
make giga have 800 biteforce
jovial blade
Giga allready is good
craggy river
Rex has the bone break
craggy river
Your dead if it hits you
jovial blade
I dont see why giga would need a buff
umbral prairie
stop suggesting balance things
jovial blade
it does so well allready
umbral prairie
there will be a combat rework at some point
umbral prairie
if it is still unbalanced as hell suggest things then
jovial blade
You need to bleed bigger targets out
barren zephyr
funny thing is he got bb on the first hit
craggy river
He must be ass than
barren zephyr
and he tried to ass ride me to avoid getting attacked
thats was his biggest mistake
craggy river
Rex usually win
barren zephyr
giga is pretty much fine
craggy river
IT really isnt
barren zephyr
skeet how the fuck
jovial blade
I bet you you're trying to face tank people lol
craggy river
Rex speed is fine
jovial blade
Skeet is probably a rex main that went giga once
barren zephyr
giga is the second best creature
jovial blade
lol
craggy river
It really isnt
barren zephyr
how so
craggy river
so your saying
barren zephyr
how is giga bad if it only loses to rex
craggy river
rexes 1v2 and winning is ok?
barren zephyr
it was like that before to but 3v1
jovial blade
Dude
barren zephyr
ur saying it should be a 50/50 lmao
barren zephyr
^
craggy river
No
barren zephyr
no u
craggy river
Im saying rexes shouldnt be able to easily 1v2 a giga
jovial blade
1v2?
barren zephyr
must be shit gigas
jovial blade
Why wouldn't 2 rexes win a fight vs 1 giga
or 2 gigas?
If you losse a 2v1
You obviously lack skill
craggy river
Most of the time rexes win in a 2v1
jovial blade
and are biting each other
craggy river
and its not skill
craggy river
You realise the bb?
craggy river
You realize alt turning right?
jovial blade
Bruh no server i play on has alt turn
that shit shouldn't even be apart of survival
That should be a sandbox only thing lol
craggy river
they can still use trot\
jovial blade
Bro
craggy river
next thing closest
jovial blade
Do you know how bad
trex turn is
You literally abuse it so easy
Giga can shit on a rex
barren zephyr
alt turning lmao u do realize alt is good
barren zephyr
ur stupid
jovial blade
So happy the server i play on dont have it
versed blaze
Alt turn is staying
jovial blade
Lmao do you hear yourself
versed blaze
and soon won't be able to be removed
versed blaze
Well, you're going to be disappointed in the future then
jovial blade
?
umbral prairie
so your argument is that the missing animation makes turning in place unrealistic?
versed blaze
Dondi stated that Alt Turn will stay
wraith turret
lol rekt
versed blaze
and won't be able to be disabled
barren zephyr
with no alt fucking 500kg animal ankle bites a 8ton killing machine and kills it alone
umbral prairie
it would not be impossible
jovial blade
So you're saying
versed blaze
Better learn to use it cuz you're gonna need it
jovial blade
a 7 tonne dinosaur can turn in the same place
craggy river
Not my problem
craggy river
Its the game mechanic
jovial blade
are you retarded
craggy river
Dont be shit than i guess
umbral prairie
dinos were well capable of turning in place, some dinos in TI turn way too fast and it lacks an animation
craggy river
and go wwith it
jovial blade
Wait hold up
barren zephyr
ur saying a lone utah should be able to kill a fully grown rex
jovial blade
This dude needs to respond
barren zephyr
that shit makes no fucking sense
jovial blade
He thinks 7 tonne dino can turn in 1 place without turnning at all ni a circle
versed blaze
It's not a matter of argument or discussion
barren zephyr
rex was more agile then allo
craggy river
Monk
versed blaze
Or whether it's real or not
craggy river
This is a game
barren zephyr
irl
versed blaze
it's stayingin the game and that's it lol
craggy river
Doesnt have to be realistic
umbral prairie
it just needs an animation and it has to be slower for some creatures to be realistic
barren zephyr
this dude is defending non realistic assriding a fucking apex to death
jovial blade
Yes
barren zephyr
and tells me its realistic
umbral prairie
I don't get why you think dinos weren't capable of turning in place
barren zephyr
turn radius isnt meant to assride
barren zephyr
also why do u think alt exists
umbral prairie
the weight does not matter
jovial blade
Are you dumb?
umbral prairie
the structure of the body does
craggy river
Monk
barren zephyr
so glad devs are gonna remove no alt so people like u can experience the game and not complain about shit u dont understand the importance of