thats what im saying...
#general-feedback-discussion
shut gale
but yeah slayer the rex would still need a good ambush
rigid tartan
nerf gamma boost
burnt lodge
It's two entirely different things
rigid tartan
how so, they affect each other
speed of a dinosaur vs distance you can see it away from you.
...
burnt lodge
^^^
rigid tartan
thats the way it is lol even more incentive to be grouped up
rigid tartan
yup, rip one of them
shut gale
one?
rigid tartan
thats the way it is unfortunately. lol
rigid tartan
naaah only douche bags kill every1 for shits and giggles.
burnt lodge
And there's a lot of those here
rigid tartan
there are indeed, but if theres no challenge in them fighting back whats the point, u only need 1
^ no theyr mostly kids with a power complex
shut gale
well most people don't see it like that slayer
rigid tartan
but its their right 😛
shut gale
that would 80% of the time mean rip 5 diablos
rigid tartan
yeah i know
when its all dark tho they have as much chance coming across you, as you do them. if theyr loud they deserve to die
shut gale
i mean you can choose not to be so loud and get in ambush as rex
burnt lodge
Hopefully... it won't be that way... game gets darker... less exploits then rex has its speed and anguish adjusted
shut gale
you can't choose that as a diablo..
rigid tartan
no i mean the diablos being loud
rex speed is fine... theres like a 20meter safe zone u have away from a rex and he hasnt got the stam to keep up for longer chases
just stay away. if u get ambushed in the night well thats just the way it goes boys lol
im primarily a herbie player and i see thats how it should be x]
shut gale
eh just think it would make the game a bit more fair and fun for everyone...
rexes would get to be stronger ( vs gigas ) and gigas faster again
burnt lodge
"Just how it is" yet there's no counter play
shut gale
^
rigid tartan
why should there be counter play as a diablo vs a rex
are u mental
the counter play is dont be loud
lol
shut gale
cause peopel don't like playing something that is just dead meat..
its a game...
its supose to be fun...
for everyone not only "meta" dinos
burnt lodge
Interesting...I bring up counter play and get insulted 🤔
shut gale
....
rigid tartan
if not... dont complain if u run INTO a rex
burnt lodge
Ew no
shut gale
^
rigid tartan
then stop complaining about dieing to a rex?
shut gale
ah? i haven't
shut gale
deers can outspeed them, diablos can't 🤷
burnt lodge
Didn't know I was complaining about dying to a rex when all I said was counter play
shut gale
yeah i think i'm gonna stop arguing xD
burnt lodge
Same
rigid tartan
i know but dont you see how irrelivent the idea of "counterplay" is to such vastly different dino's
ones a small herbie, ones a large carniv
its like top trumps
does diablo have decent-ish damage against med-tier carnivs?
like could a diablo 1v1 a carnataur or allo?
shut gale
yes easily
rigid tartan
right... so theyr fine then i dont see the objection
why would a diablo have any counter play against an apex carniv when it, in itself is a med tier herbie
a strong one at that
shut gale
play diablo... if you don't mind the get run down by gigas / rexes on sight gameplay... i fear you might've had some bad relationships...
lilac swallow
@rigid tartan dryo is even a low tier and has a counter play against apex
shut gale
^
rigid tartan
yeah but can a dryo kill allo's or carnataur?
they trade damage, for speed.
do u see the top trump mechanics?
rigid tartan
lol only because it has no damage for its own tier range
lilac swallow
No but It can hide or out turn the carno,
shut gale
counter play
lilac swallow
Dryo Will most likely die but has some methods to try to not die
rigid tartan
ofcourse, because its trade all of its OFFENSIVE options for DEFENSIVE options
a diablo has not..
so u cant complain
if the herbie specialises in being good at damage, it just goes without saying if you run into something with MORE damage, your time is up
lilac swallow
No matchup should be a 0-100 survival rate
rigid tartan
what? lol
ofcourse there are some of those match ups. you're dealing with dinosaur's that were nowhere near each other in the evolutionary chain mashed together into a map. OFCOURSE theres going to be some that completely out play others
lilac swallow
Even if you have a really bad matchup you should be able to TRY to survive, just try, not saying you need to survive a bad matchup
rigid tartan
its like a tortois running into a tiger, it has 0 chance
i disagree leg. not every single dinosaur should have a survival chance. they need to be balanced and unfortunately for diablo its balance was giving it some damage. if it runs into something with more damage/hp its screwed
lilac swallow
But some matchup are just, "fine i will just sit and wait to get killed"
rigid tartan
yes... which shouldn't be a problem
dont play slow moving damage dealers if you have a problem with running into bigger dino's occasionally =/
every dino has something theyr good against, and something theyr bad against. and that my friend is fair
lilac swallow
@rigid tartan exactly what i said but being nada against isnt being literally a walking food, a para has a really bad matchup against allos but at least can try to run away
rigid tartan
difference is theyr both med tier- dinosaurs
to be fair tho para is in need of some love
so its a bad example of you
lol
i didnt say a diablo cant try to run from a rex XD
just saying its gonna RIP
lilac swallow
That just what im saying a diablo will most likely be dead but It can try to run
spiral pond
It can try to juke Rex
Dibble still needs a bit of speed buff
To at least outrun gigas
Since you can’t avoid gigas with their amazing turning radius
In forests
Dibbles only counter to apexes is to try to run, run out of stamina, get bit 2 times and die
Or log off
clear turret
Slayer are you actually trying to argue that "lay down and die" is healthy balancing?
spiral pond
Pretty much
clear turret
When it comes to balance, your realism takes a backseat to good gameplay. No and, ifs, or buts.
rigid tartan
yes im trying to argue that a med dino like a diablo, if unfortunate to run into a t-rex and be close enuff that the rex can catch it, has simply nothing to do but die. thats literally the fundamentals of balancing big dino's vs smaller
its not about realism, its about the fact that not ALL the dino's can be good against ALL the other dino's @clear turret too many "BUT MUH FAV DINO" fan boys complaining tbh
spiral pond
Huh ?
rigid tartan
am i saying ALL med tier dino's cant avoid a rex? NO but that specific one? yup. unlucky
spiral pond
Eh only sucho and dibble get run down by apexes
leaden night
Only Dibble*
Sucho can run from Giga and has enough stamina where it isn't an easy follow
rigid tartan
i put it to any rex to chase down a dibble that is more than 30meters away. there stam just isnt up to it, and if you're closer than that to a rex. well you've got unlucky my dude
rigid tartan
thats what im trying to tell these people ditto
they think dibble should have a counter to rex
leaden night
Gigas are the issue
rigid tartan
kills me.
yes but giga is designed to chase down meds... so u cant complain about a giga either 😛
rigid tartan
"stop being good at that thing you're meant to do" =/
leaden night
Dibble's speed along with its stamina makes it easy as fuck for Giga to follow it
It runs for about 30 seconds more than Giga
All while leaving a long yellow brick road with the amount of footsteps
Dibble's trot is also extremely slow making it stupidly easy for Giga to close the near non-existent distance you got from it
normal fern
@thorny lynx you mean that bitespeed that's gets out dps by sucho accounting for weight?
Or how cerato bites just as quickly, or giga?
violet magnet
@rigid tartan then people would just AFK in the hidey holes
or there'd be the issue with dryo burrows we have now where preds camp out around the holes and wait for dryos to come out
rigid tartan
if they chose to thats well within their rights, what i mean is
people complain that X dino cant out run X dino so its unfair...
if there was certain spots X dino could fit through but X dino couldn't
no1 needs to be nerfed
just an example. but i think terrain affects the dino balance hugely
like jumping dino's not enough opportunities on current map to take advantage of jumping to avoid death
ledges etc
violet magnet
utahs have Raptor Rock that they can get up onto, and we all see how that's turned out
they never fucking leave
leaden night
I mean it is the only spot as well
rigid tartan
yeah im not saying give them one spot to be
make it more and more normal to see these certain terrain patterns when you're being chased
leaden night
Along with beint completely safe because the only things that can kill them are random adult Gigas and Pachys
rigid tartan
memorise them. stay near or around them
leaden night
Pachys stay far away because there's literally no food anywhere near the area
barren zephyr
@icy ridge when it comes to combat their is more than just base damage to take into account, you also need to think about agility and speed
copper cradle
@regal pecan Hypno already confirmed there will be a marker above the burrow at some point
regal pecan
oh..lovely👌
copper cradle
yea indeed ^^
regal pecan
im trying dryo right now and i always lose track of my burrow
copper cradle
yea that is annoying :/ if i move far i always destroy mine in case i can't find my way back, but i always put mine in bushes and hope that i can find it again xD
ocean vortex
is it really mandatory that herbivores need herds?
not everyone has the time and organization to form one up from thin air
hazy sparrow
not really... you can go around solo, but if you come across a pack of ... something, it might not go well for you
depending on your dino
their dino, etc
same as any carnivore 😃
jovial arch
@pulsar lake 29 mph or Kmh???
rigid tartan
@ocean vortex honestly i think herbie footprints should last like 10mins or so on herbie scent, so its easy to see where other herbies have been and follow/link up with them
so if u choose to group u can do so with relative ease
rigid tartan
i mean herding is there thing i dont understand what you mean? example of a solo herbie oO?
ofc u can play one solo but you're only gonna benifit from a group
meager hamlet
I wish they would bring this to consoles
outer nebula
i already told you why rapgod
civic sky
i mean carnivores form packs, i personally don't get this.
barren zephyr
@copper cradle I find that a great idea too. But such a system has to be build. Bonebreak already excists. I would be fine with that to replace bonebreak in the future for herbs. But i dont want to have to wait a year or more for such a feature without giving bonebreak in the meantime.
civic sky
@rigid tartan Trike is a perfect solo herb arguably even diablo. As i said before though, carnivores can form packs so i don't get that sentiment.
next nexus
@wet canyon yes, server options have been stated to be a thing
so there will be no human servers
even no dinosaur servers if people are into that
It is unknown if there will be any "official" servers with these options- but there will be plenty of unofficial servers who will turn them off, guarantee it
paper oriole
yeah checkboxes to disable humans and mutant strained (hypo, neuro, etc) would be nice to have if they are planning on that
hot heath
@copper cradle I like that suggestion for herbivores but I do think the anky should still have bone break. I mean thats literally hitting a carnivore’s leg with a sledge hammer on steroids I’m sure it can break bones xD
lone crypt
^^
thorny lynx
@pulsar lake I know what you're trying to get at, but that spinosaurus model you just showed us is practically skin and bone. We want f a t, which is why a lot of people disliked your post. The juvie is cute as shit, tho. Not too big of a sail.
thorny lynx
I don't want spino to be a fast boi who can chase after utahs, cuz that is what he is, right now.
Also, I am not for buffing Spino's bite damage. In fact, Spino's bite damage should be very low with the only purpose being to grapple onto something. Spino isn't meant to bite and bleed and tear into shit with its mouth... Its jaws were meant to snap shut very quickly and grip onto its prey, like a crocodile. I can imagine spino using its jaw to grab onto a smaller dinosaur and then working its giant meat hook claws into the prey.
pulsar lake
After I know people want spino like this but for me it's just no way
I prefer see one look like this
thorny lynx
Our spino is going to be a mix of terrestrial and aquatic, iirc
As long as he can fish, I think he will be okay.
pulsar lake
I know it will be a Terrestrial tank and a fisher
thorny lynx
Spino should not be able to chase after shit on land.
umbral prairie
I always thought of spino (in-game) as something too slow to actively chase after apexes but as something very hard to kill, as it is pretty heavy and sort of tanky.
thorny lynx
If it does, not for long.
thorny lynx
Spinos weighed upwards of 14 tons. Something that heavy shouldn't be able to run on two legs.
pulsar lake
Yes but for the BB, he need to haven't a big mass
thorny lynx
Honestly, I think 10 tons would be an absolute maximum.
8 sounds reasonable.
Rex weighs 5.8 tons right now and if Spino were 10 tons, even 350 damage would destroy it, especially with its impressive bite speed
pulsar lake
Because with the actual spoon, rex just loose to him because the weight mass is so important than rex never break legs to spino.
I think rex should break him bones like giga and trike.
It's why he should have not a heavy mass but enormous HP
umbral prairie
I feel like spino should have a claw attack in addition to a bite, I'd make the bite very fast but very weak, the claw attack would do significantly more damage but it would be slower.
thorny lynx
I feel like the bite should be used to grab onto something, then its claws do the attackig
pulsar lake
After I think dev will do what they want, I do a suggestion about Spinosaurus because it's my favorites dinosaur and I want than he'll be balance and accurate.
A claws attack can do more bleed too.
umbral prairie
maybe a pose like this could support the use of claws, also it doesn't look as front heavy as many other spinosaurus artworks
pulsar lake
This spino is great
JP colors
And accurate body
👌
This one is cool to but just take inspiration of him
Or PK spoon too
But no super crocodile scale or tiny legs
pulsar lake
I loved this allo model @desert prairie
I think we should get back the old dino except the rex
desert prairie
Yeah it looks great
lone crypt
If anything, I’d want to see a mix between current allo and old allo, but I’d prefer current allo. Maybe a ridge of spike, but nothing else
desert prairie
Thats why it would be an option to pick it
plus the old allo moved more... like a dino
to an extent
current one feels like a robot lol
lone crypt
At least it moves anatomically correct and doesn’t move its knees high enough to touch another dimension when it runs
I strongly dislike any dinos that move like the old ones
desert prairie
true the old allo's animation was weird
lone crypt
Like Herrera, it’s fun but those legs are yuck
desert prairie
Just a suggestion, don't see much harm in adding it but im not a game dev so whatever
arctic shell
I can imagine all those older dinosaurs are gonna get an overhaul on the animations at some point. Acro and Cerato used to use the same rigs, but now Cerato has his own animations when I remember the story being Acro was getting new animations, and Cerato was keeping Acros because it "fit better".
lone crypt
New cera animations are some of the cleanest in the game except for the bite, which is under-exaggerated
native nebula
you want to know where your bite will hit. having a gigantic sweeping arc which takes multiple seconds to complete does not help that.
subtle wind
quad spino
blazing charm
Putting a thumbs up on your own suggestion
barren zephyr
we do not need herbis to have bb for last time herbis had bb it was a disaster
mad cows
clever hinge
@desert prairie do u mean the allo before the current one or the real old allo, because the real old allo was the best allo model over ever seen, I’m assuming u don’t know what it is as you referred to the middle one as the old allo, so I’ll post a link to an old vid with it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t2h2SN1Wws8
desert prairie
One I posted was the one I was talking about
hazy sparrow
@echo zinc I knew a deaf person who played Arma, he had his speakers wired to lights... I don't know if this will help you, but hopefully you can work around!
echo zinc
@hazy sparrow I'm not sure how that works.
hazy sparrow
I don't know either, but he used left and right lights for where sound would come from... I don't know his setup at all. I never met him in person.
echo zinc
Interesting...
hazy sparrow
Maybe an electrician would be able to wire speaker to something similar. It would be custom work though.
echo zinc
I wouldn't do it now, as I live in a lease right now, so I will find something when I actually settle down 😃
ocean vortex
@thorny lynx Cerato is fast enough. Most carnivores never reach 40kmph
However I can see dilo needing it
ocean vortex
Standard running speed right?
thorny lynx
yes
ocean vortex
Ye
thorny lynx
Dilo is 38.8
ocean vortex
I know that
shut gale
@thorny lynx Utahs strenght is in its agility. that's why its ambush is better
ocean vortex
Also I do not want to see a giant 2-ton cerato running at utah speed
its your fault you didnt see them sneaking onto you
shut gale
not escaping the allos ambush is fine imo... the rex... eh 🤷
ocean vortex
Rex can only sprint for 30 seconds before needing to rest so...
It already has a really tough time going up to prey
thorny lynx
So you want an almost 3 ton allo sprinting at almost 44 kilometers an hour, @ocean vortex ? K.
Giving cerato a 1.2x ambush makes it go at a speed of 43.9344. Barely faster than a utah and a tad faster than allo's ambush. Not to mention, it doesn't have a 12 second ambush like allo does.
And slower than dilo's ambush
I really do not see the problem.
ocean vortex
I have a feeling that Cerato's ambush speed is because its normal sprint speed is faster than average to others...
Then again that may not be the case
thorny lynx
No, it's because it and dilo had their ambush since before they've been put in survival
They both need at least 1.2x
thorny lynx
I could ask for 1.25x but that may be pushing it
polar juniper
Even Juvie Cerato ambush is faster than adult
ocean vortex
Ye
thorny lynx
OMG Juvie cerato ambush is so good ❤
polar juniper
Yes
polar juniper
It’s what adult cerato should have
thorny lynx
I believe its ambush is probably 1.2 or 1.25
polar juniper
More like 1.4
thorny lynx
Anything above 1.25 would be excessive
Like, I'm not asking for it to chase gallis
But a dryo would be nice
Ambush can't catch dryo sniff
polar juniper
Agreed
thorny lynx
Putting dilo at that modifier would give it 48.6km/h. Galli speed, but still faster than adult rex ambush lol
polar juniper
I don’t know what Cerato needs more though
thorny lynx
Can't just
polar juniper
Bleed resist or ambush buff
thorny lynx
all carnivores have a flat 10 mile an hour ambush boost
polar juniper
Cause its’ bleed reisst is also garbo
thorny lynx
That seems to be what's happening
polar juniper
Like real bad
thorny lynx
Like, I wouldn't mind it taking away half its health at 3 bleed
Right now, it can live on only 20% on 3 bleed
ocean vortex
I miss old cerato
thorny lynx
me too, tbh
thorny lynx
If cerato had better bleed resist and a better ambush, it would be so nice.
I would play it more often
polar juniper
Cerato would be in a perfect spot balance wise^
Better bleed resist and its old ambush speed
thorny lynx
I mean, when I first ambushed with Cerato, I was like... 'what the fuck is this'
polar juniper
Its’ ambush speed fresh rework was perfect
Then it got its actual run speed and had the ambush changed
To this sad 1.1x multiplier
thorny lynx
No ambush should be 1.1x
In fact, juvenile ambushes should be worse than adult ambushes
lone crypt
@slate pecan hide in bushes, out of sight and away from crowded areas when logging off will fix your problem
slate pecan
I pretty much already do that, being a predominately solo player. I myself don't think I exactly have a problem with it, but i was just curious on opinions for the topic and wanted to ask about it. But now that i think about it, people just really need to secure a kill quicker if people are just logging out. :T
shut gale
@brazen wolf sub giga needs a lot of changes imo. its boring ashell to play.
compared to the sub rex for example*
brazen wolf
yes@shut gale
Sub giga is food for midtire dino and apx
it's so slow
It can only kill juvies
Sub giga life is just hiding
shut gale
pretty much
pseudo falcon
I'm so sad that Galli's heal is so low
I hate it 😭
I get bitten once and I have to start back from square one
Even a Utah puts you on second screen, third if you let yourself bleed to long
Or rather pretty much always 3rd 😠
clever leaf
tbf since galli has so much speed and maneuverability
you kinda deserve it if you get caught
most gallis die cuz of cockiness
lone crypt
^^^^
misty island
Yes galli dying is very satisfying since most of them are very annoying, had a galli tailing me as a Rex for a good thirty minutes just 1calling every three seconds
barren zephyr
gallis are those types of players that think they can escape unharmed if they kick a utah/everything else
leaden night
Because they are capable of doing so
barren zephyr
@weary plover as neither shant nore anky are in survival they are currently deemed irrelevant balance wise
weary plover
@barren zephyr I forgot to mention Trike's bone break got removed recently as well. Shant and Anky may not be in survival, but Rex being the only one with bone break and my point still stands.
8 tons of mass stomping on you should break bones shouldn't it
weary plover
my point still stands how is that so difficult to understand
regal pecan
raptor rock being deleted was the best thing about this patch that arent even in the patch notes
hope that with this ppl will spread more around the map and not focus on only one spot
cinder zenith
They'll probably find a new spot
barren zephyr
@regal pecan They still got the spot near throne
finite perch
god forbid a dinos ability give them an advantage
barren zephyr
what?
the problem wasnt it giving them an advantage
the problem was it made them 100% invunerable for a time
to anything but utahs
viral creek
Utah rock was cancer.
Pretty much every utah camped on that rock, making them invulnerable to any danger.
The masses of utahs there attracted other carnivores that wanted to eat the utahs. People started camping said area because of the huge population.
Utah rock was a cramped mess of carnivores, it deserved to die.
manic ibex
Utard rock was cancer indeed. I'm surprised that it wasn't taken down sooner tbh.
survival game
unreachable prey item
hazy sparrow
There are other rocks unreachable by any other dino, especially now with dryo and gali jumps being less vertical
"Utah" Rock was just the biggest and most centralized.
Get out and explore 😉
@woven marsh Net code needs optimizing for such large player pool
woven marsh
Ye, but until they have the tech for that it would have actually been better to make the playable area on V3 smaller not bigger. Like a wall that blocks off an area of the map but that can be disabled on custom servers with higher counts.
frozen latch
Honestly Idk why everyone was so salty about utah rock, utahs were killed/died there ALL THE TIME. You just had to be smart about hunting them since they have to get down to eat/drink
Not gonna miss the cancer it attracted though jfc
jagged badge
I hardly see anyone on Utah rock only cause I don’t usually play packed servers
pulsar lake
You can survive at rex attack
But for me it's logic than 1 or 2 allo can't beat him
Or sucho
But giga can
lone crypt
Before making a suggestion, can y’all try playing survival? You’re all basing balance based on deathmatch and it actual survival, and nobody takes into account how combat plays out in a map that isn’t the test level. A rex is strong as hell in test level, because it knows a fight is coming, and it doesn’t go under the same conditions it would in survival.
stop making balance suggestions purely on how it functions outside of survival
hazy sparrow
Too many burrows around might cause performance issues
carmine echo
@hardy kernel utah rock is compleatly removed
carmine echo
nah a small hill with trees
nocturne blaze
It means utahs can't just take up half the server population sitting on a rock, completely invincible to everything except other utahs
hardy kernel
I mean i guess thats better than nothing
Which is why you make it possible for other carnivores to climb up
south flower
Maybe the burrows can despawn after a certain amount of time so as long as nobody is occupying it?
barren zephyr
do burrows despawn after killing its owner
south flower
I believe so
barren zephyr
or as a juvie utah can i kill the owner and then stay in the burrow
south flower
I don't believe you can
sweet narwhal
Someone had a glitch where they killed the burrow owner and it killed the Utah too because they were both in the burrow
south flower
that's why I made the suggestion, because as far as I am aware, the burrow despawns when the owner dies
nocturne blaze
we already had a climbable rock, do you not remember herbi rock ??
it was even worse
topaz sierra
Utah rock may be gone, but they will definitely find another place to afk again, if they already havent found one
umbral prairie
yeah they have
carmine echo
ye there are plenty more rocks
topaz sierra
Its gonna be the same as before
carmine echo
where @umbral prairie ?
topaz sierra
They are still gonna get camped and cry about it
south flower
Maybe the burrow can be added to the scent system, such as a cloud of some sort to show the burrow is or has been occupied?
umbral prairie
I played utah on EU 2 and there was like a 20 player group and 10 of them were heading somewhere utah rock like
I died on the way
hardy kernel
Well to be consistent you would also need to remove radio tower
umbral prairie
but I'm not really a fan of this afk sitting on a rock anyway
carmine echo
anyone can get up on radio though
nocturne blaze
radio tower has stairs
south flower
Is this on the thenyaw or v3 map?
nocturne blaze
you can get up it as anything
topaz sierra
Its stupid, afking on a rock, you take a server slot for no reason, plus, it shows that you are a coward
hardy kernel
Never seen anything inside radio tower that wasnt a raptor or herra
carmine echo
i dont even get why you want to play like that
ruby temple
hey haki_user87 just posted some interesting suggestions anyone have a take on it
carmine echo
just keeping your character alive? fun
umbral prairie
yeah it's very boring but for some reason everyone in this utah group I was in was very excited about the fact one of them found another camping spot
hardy kernel
It was nice being able to grow a raptor, which normally gets two shot by anything anyways
topaz sierra
They claimed that the previous utah rock was the only place they could survive and raise their babies. Like, really?
Also, how do dilos manage to survive out there, yet utahs claim that they cannot? Utahs have actually more speed, and a jump too
umbral prairie
I mean it's very easy to grow up there, but it's not hard to grow a utah anyway, even if you get nested in some random bush
topaz sierra
Yes exactly
hardy kernel
Dilos could see for miles in the dark
topaz sierra
How do other dinos survive?
nocturne blaze
I played as a utah last week and never once set foot on that fucking rock, and I survived perfectly fine
carmine echo
in day they are weak af though
umbral prairie
nothing will really catch a utah if it isn't afk, so most people will just get annoyed by them and move on
nobody would try to eat utah hatchlings
nocturne blaze
How do they survive in the day though? they didn't have a magic rock to sit on where they were invincible ?
topaz sierra
Utahs dont need stupid rocks to survive, in my view they have the best survival tools in their possesion
hardy kernel
idk me and friend just avoided literally any interaction with anyone
topaz sierra
And then at adult stage, you pretty much outrun everything
umbral prairie
and the only thing that is faster than you turns like a bus
barren zephyr
also
before night changes
even if dilo had best nv
you could still see fine
ezpz
topaz sierra
Yes, you can out-turn carnos easily, and even maybe 1v1 one if you manage to get behind it
umbral prairie
it would be nice if cloudy nights were be as black as thenyaw nights used to be, and clear nights were like they are now
barren zephyr
yea
topaz sierra
I understand that reverting night time to pitch black as it used to be might not be very appealing, but they should at least make half the night extremely dark, so that you have to use your night vision for navigation
glass blaze
I've said it before and I'll say it again: they just need to bring back the Region 2 shadows and night time will be perfect.
regal pecan
perfect for Dilophosauros..the rest need to hide cause their nightvision is trash😂
carmine echo
ye mby you could give some dinos a little bit better nightvision
hazy sparrow
Some dinos do have better NV, raptor for example has a pretty big radius, somewhere near 30-40m, no where near dilo of course, but that's not what raptors about
Sucho has about 15m of NV, etc
blazing charm
Dinosaurs are supposed to have varied night vision.
clever leaf
I have said this many times, but I will say it again because it's relevant here.
We just need varied night vision within the dinosaurs, that way night can afford to be pitch black again to have Dilos get back to their prime.
umbral prairie
@left storm I'd imagine pachys having a bb chance once the combat rework is done, but I think that pachy doesn't really need it atm, plus if it had it and broke the leg of something it could just ass ride it to death as things with a broken leg can't alt turn (same problem with rex atm)
It's just too easy to break a leg at the moment because you can break a leg by hitting the tail
true furnace
Well pachy having bone break should only work on dinos slightly larger or smaller than it
We can't have pachys running around breaking rex legs cause it wouldn't make much sense
It should be a charge attack too
umbral prairie
also I hope that once locational damage is in you actually have to hit the leg to break it instead of hitting the tail
true furnace
Probs but theyll have to increase the chance if you need to hit a right mark to get it
umbral prairie
yeah of course, a pachy ramming a utah leg should break it
compact matrix
Is Tyrannosaurus Rex overpowered with this patch relative to giga and relative to trike
umbral prairie
It is way too easy to kill people with bb atm
But I think rex should keep it's speed and damage, just the bb needs to be reworked after the code rework
also with locational damage you will hopefully not be able to ass ride sth
lilac swallow
@vernal moon i get your idea but if i actually killed the dino who made me bleed and i have to logout what do i do? Waiting 20 min because my dino is bleeding?
umbral prairie
this would also mean that like a juvie dilo can keep a rex from logging out
by continuously hitting it while it stands still to log
vernal moon
Idk man, combat logging is so broken though
umbral prairie
yeah combat logging is stupid, but I mean you have to hold still for a full minute to log out, I feel like if you can't kill something in a minute you shouldn't attempt to do so.
lilac swallow
@vernal moon as many people say, if you cant manage to kill a dino in 60 sec of defenseless biting, you shouldnt have tried it
umbral prairie
Only way to combat log is if others protect you until you're logged out
but I mean they could also just protect you until you're healed and the attacker would only have wasted time
vernal moon
Its mroe that a Dilo bites and watches shit bleed out ya know? So The sub rex bit me, so I laid down to get the bleed off expecting her to bleeding out shes logging out
Its just a suggestion.. I'm sure people have suggested it before so it will probably be overlooked
true furnace
Look if you lost the dino long enough to let it combat log thats your own fualt tbh. You can sniff out the blood and foot prints and if it's out running you itll probs escape anyways. If anything they should make the sniff range longer to hell tracking
vernal moon
but its extremely frustrating trying to bleed out a larger predator and they just poof
lilac swallow
As i said if it takes you a minute to kill something that doesnt fight back dont try it
true furnace
So? What's the issue then you got hit and they got hit you went to heal so fight over
vernal moon
If she had tried to run i would have been there
but I was just letting her bleed out
Like I said its just a suggestion. Im sure its been said before
lilac swallow
If you couldnt logout during bleeding a juv utha could make a rex or giga lose an hour of their lives trying to logout
true furnace
Mhm
umbral prairie
Of course you should bleed things out as dilo, but you still have to watch it and bite it occasionally so they either start moving -->logout timer reset or they don't start moving--> keep biting
vernal moon
Guess ill just have to be more careful
true furnace
Logot timer resets if you do anything
lilac swallow
Bleeding isnt bittin, forgeting, remebering later
true furnace
Look at character sheet
Resets
Look at hunger resets
If they made it to the point where you couldn't logout while bleed than bleed would have to be reworked for every dino
vernal moon
You're prolly right. Its just frustrating I guess
true furnace
Yeah ik
cyan flame
Would perhaps be better if all things recovered bleed faster, but also took more damage, thus you'd have to reapply the bleed more often, instead of the longer "wait them out" time
true furnace
Then stacking bleed would have to be lowered
lilac swallow
@cyan flame this would mean bleeders have to take risk more often which i like
true furnace
You can't have something do huge amount of DOT in the middle of a fight. Most things would die that way if the bleed was changed thus making allos, carnos, and dilos a issue again.
vernal moon
I'd be okay with that. As long as it does the same amount of damage in a shorter time
cyan flame
The issue with damage over time I suppose, too short and it's not really a point, too long and it gets that weird "wait it out" while the opposition can't do much one way or the other :p
Also, Roz, how badly hit were you?
vernal moon
I got hit by a sub rex, so 3rd screen with a bleed
umbral prairie
I made a suggestion on bleed not being a simple DOT anymore as that can cause you to die to a single utah bite just because you are bleeding (which makes as much sense as a bleeding human dying to a cat biting his toe) a while ago
true furnace
It was a sub rex roz was fighting I believe
cyan flame
Hm
vernal moon
I snagged that person like 4 times or so
they were going down regardless
if they hadnt poofed
umbral prairie
Imo it would be cooler to have bleed be like an own stat, maybe showing in liters or in percent, and the more blood you lose the weaker you get, and once it gets below a critical level you die
true furnace
Probs alot more
vernal moon
Yeah but she was running and bleeding out pretty badly
true furnace
Yeah but that one bite she got ended the fight
The second she hit you it was a draw or a win on her side since she was being hunted
umbral prairie
you would still have to heal the bleed off but then you would regenerate blood, getting faster and stronger again instead of healing damage
vernal moon
I mean she wasnt a BIG sub rex, just a sub rex
cyan flame
It's sort of like how rexes do bonebreak, then run off to heal while you're broken, only to come back to fight more, allowing them to play badly and still survive if they do it right.. :p
true furnace
3rd screen is 1 or 2 off from death my dude
vernal moon
I mean for her, she was prolly at a 3 screen as well
she was covered with lacerations
true furnace
If you would've kept running you would've been dead in a few seconds
cyan flame
Not neccesarily, if the heal tick had come at that moment, Roz should have been perfectly fine, dilos recover bleed very well I think
true furnace
Maybe 2nd screen
vernal moon
3 bleed walking right?
cyan flame
Too bad we can't see what running does to it.. :p
vernal moon
rexes have a low bleed though so i dont think it was that bad
cyan flame
They should have kept the 10% no matter if you're resting or not, that would have made this situation much more interesting :p
true furnace
3rd screen with bleed is a instant sit down or die
And if it was a fresh juvi sub it wouldn't have put you on 3rd screen in one hit
Probs slightly larger or mid tier sub
barren zephyr
@untold sail Everyone should be able to play what they want. Limiting the way you suggested would be very bad to keep servers full. What the game needs in more balancing in favor of herbivores so more people want to play them.
coarse thicket
How about certain servers like realism servers can enforce limits if they want without affecting the main official servers or game.
untold sail
@barren zephyr Was a suggestion, hence why i typed it 😄 Pretty boring just trying to get by as a herbi and just 5 Carnivores (Trexs) come along and kill you when they are adults and you just a Juve 😃
barren zephyr
I feel your pain cuz Im a herb player haha
untold sail
Its just annoying when people just wonna go out and kill shit and not actually survive :/
barren zephyr
It would be fine if herbis were capable of putting up a fight
Herbs of the same tier as carnis cant duel them. Which is weird imo
untold sail
Yeah balancing is a must and i see why people would dislike Herbs as even though foliage is all around you can only eat a certain bush 😛
barren zephyr
The amount of times I starved with 10000 bushes around me but not a berry bush :')
jolly willow
limiting what u can play isnt the right way to go imo
people would just wait for spots to open in big groups, and its just not fun
unfortunately
affinity will likely help this situation out
umbral prairie
also maybe locational damage and collision will maybe require a little more skill from the carnis, also ass riding and running through others will hopefully not be possible at some point
glass blaze
@untold sail The only thing this would accomplish is allow griefers to monopolize carnivore classes and prevent people from playing the dinosaurs they want.
pearl snow
lmao people being salty because Raptor Rock was unfair and now they deleted it, DELETE GIGA THEY UNFAIR XDDD ;_;
normal fern
@calm lily what's the point of Acro in survival? We have giga
calm lily
Acro will basically be a faster, weaker, and probably a better version than giga because it will actually have a chance to escape rex
Not saying giga cant escape rex, but Acro will have a better chance to get away
normal fern
That doesn't make it unique
viral creek
We already have 2 very large predators ingame and a 3rd coming. Balancing acro sounds like a nightmare
normal fern
Acro is literally a smaller giga.
Asking for Acro is like asking for tarbo, bary or Alberto despite the fact that we already have T. rex, sucho/cerato and sub rex filling those niches respectively
viral creek
Balancing giga is hard enough as it is
calm lily
Gulpy whats the 3rd coming?
civic sky
Spino
normal fern
Spino
civic sky
Granted, personally, I’d be fine without spino.
I personally think it’s only coming in since it has strains.
Deino and sucho pretty much take the niches spino would likely thrive in in terms of uniqueness.
barren zephyr
how so?
topaz light
hey guys
umbral prairie
I imagine spino as something too slow to actively chase after the other apexes but as something extremely hard to kill because of high mass and claw attacks, with the option to fish, but not as focused on fishing as sucho
topaz light
how to contact to make an masse to get unban and say sry
pseudo falcon
At least with spino we'd have a new thing to resent
umbral prairie
woluex did you get banned on official servers?
topaz light
I get banned cause my name was an other Isle servername and someone says chance youre name but i was on groupchat so i dont see and then i got banned :c
normal fern
I resent that we want something to resent
barren zephyr
i don't think that just because spino and sucho are both semi-aquatic that they will have identical niches
normal fern
I want peace, love and all that hippy crap
pseudo falcon
Lol
umbral prairie
I think spino will be less focused on fishing
pseudo falcon
I want blood! War! Camara!
barren zephyr
hello mr.shant...
hasty parcel
Spino is said to be more of a land predator
pseudo falcon
Shant 
hasty parcel
but still have access to fishing
barren zephyr
i have not forgot your heresy
barren zephyr
pseudo falcon
umbral prairie
I really hope that the updated spino will have a pose like this to support claw attacks and make it look less front heavy
normal fern
Shant needs to be castrated then fed its own special bits, then he needs to watch his family slaughtered and skinned like animals.
Then shant must wear those skins around being sewn to his hide
That's what shant needs
blazing charm
@calm lily Acro needs more than just a new model and new stats. It needs some sort of playstyle and mechanics.
Also I love it when people never give feedback on my docs and just leave a frowning emote
normal fern
To be fair your bary doc seems like something very similar to cerato just with the ability to dive
I feel like it doesn't make bary unique enough on its own
blazing charm
Alright, that's fine. I can work on adding more stuff
normal fern
Bary isn't really necessary as it doesn't really give anything new and it doesn't even look too different to sucho
I don't want to come off harsh but that's my honest opinion
blazing charm
No no, that's fine.
I WANT people to be honest
I want to imrpove the concept until it's perfect.
That, or I'm told no.
normal fern
What I'm trying to get at is if the concept is even worth it in the first place.
Cerato being a bulky little pugilistic carn already seems fairly similar to a jaguar.
Once bodies float and corpse dragging is a thing it's not inconceivable to think that cerato, or any carnivore could ambush anything wading in the shallows from the treeline
I feel like bary is one of those animals that if it was added would just be too forced
blazing charm
I personally think it has potential, if I thought otherwise I wouldn't keep revising it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'll probably revise the Bary doc again once Spino's revealed or more information on fishing is revealed. I was originally going to hold off on this one until then but I decided to post it here now so I could get some more feedback.
normal fern
I think bary is one of those things were you just have to wait until the game is close to completion before tying to add Alberto and bary into survival.
Maybe they could work, but we should really wait until things after dinosaurs like mercy and strains are added in seeing as most of the dino vs dinos niches are taken
blazing charm
Oh I'm not saying it has to be added soon.
topaz light
cüüc
blazing charm
I just disagree with people they can never work.
glass blaze
@calm lily I don't see what Acro would add as a playable character. I say keep the current model and make it a hostile AI like the velociraptor. Maybe make it a rare spawn since it's close to apex levels of power.
blazing charm
If all herbivores could group together again we would just get giant death herds.
jovial skiff
I could just imagine gallis scouting for bigger herbs
blazing charm
Also dear god no to random strain mutations.
ionic comet
Preds already do that with utahs, and just because herbs can communicate with different species doesn't instantly mean "giant death herds"
jovial skiff
nah but it'll mean more of them
shut gale
tbh i like that trikes can't understand diablos.
its makes it so the diablo is the weird lonely guy in a group for example. giving him alot of joy if another joins. x)
just an example
ionic comet
Herds should be encouraged considering how stagnant and boring herb gameplay is without them
jovial skiff
Dondi himself said I think that Herb being a enjoyable experience was a mistake
thorny lynx
I really think juvie rex should get a walk and trot turn radius buff... Check bug discussion. It's evident juvie rex's turn speed is too slow for its animation
outer nebula
Well its hard now since they have faster hunger drain
outer nebula
Only juvies and subs tho adult have the same
umbral prairie
I really hope there will be other things that will make apex gameplay challenging as it isn't really harder to survive with faster hunger drain atm, it's just more annoying
wheat hemlock
@lone hatch That natural bridge would be amazing, or like a shallow'er area, great shortcut for herds, but a great hunting spot for Deinosuchus once it's added
desert prairie
@umbral prairie Until they add some type of carnivore AI doubt that will happen
lone hatch
I'm just lazy and after spawn it's annoying xD @wheat hemlock
outer nebula
@lone hatch i dont think that be a good idea the point of that being an open area is because there is a docking station in the bay so a natural land bridge would be horrible
umbral prairie
maybe if they add bigger herbi AI aswell, at least if the herbi AI doesn't spawn near apexes but randomly. That way apexes are encouraged to wander around the map to find AI herds or player herds and can't just camp out in a bush. Of course there would still have to be some small AI to delay starvation, but apexes should not be able to live off of small AI for long periods of time (at least not adults)
desert prairie
Well if they add bigger herbi AI like brachi I doubt a juvi or sub will go after it
outer nebula
Maybe acro can kill subs
umbral prairie
yeah I imagined sauropods like brachi for gigas and hadrosaurs like cory for rexes, of course gigas might also be able to hunt corys
lone hatch
@outer nebula maybe you right but they must do something with that
umbral prairie
I'd find it really cool to travel around following an AI herd, killing one of them from time to time, follow the herd again and so on
instead of sitting around waiting for something to spawn close to you
outer nebula
maybe once aquatics are in they can add a coral reef
lone hatch
and about ai, they should make groups of gallis
molten hull
How is it possible that utah's weight is 1000kg?... must be a bug.
Or just game mechanics to give fair amount of dmg
outer nebula
@echo jetty that isnt a suggestion either take it in #401470471750811669 or #401464048610312195
echo jetty
Well there isn't a clear answer in the discord options for this server. Sorry for posting un the wrong place.
outer nebula
yeah suggestions are for ideas for the game or community
glass blaze
@maiden forum Such teleportation indeed exists, it's called nesting. Like, that's literally what nesting was put in the game to do.
maiden forum
from my understanding it doesnt work in sandbox because you dont grow. I've been told you stay as a baby
glass blaze
You're not really intended to play the game in sandbox. It's just there for people to fool around in. =/
dull jungle
So ik that allo got a speed buff but it still feels underpowered and can you please make it so a crash turn is basically a alt turn
jolly willow
acro cannot be functional in survival as a playable unless they really want to do that and somehow make him unique and set apart from giga
which would be difficult.
as of now acro will be AI, giga has already taken his spot as big bad bleeder, and considering we just got done with balancing giga
we dont need another big bad bleeder thats hard to balance..
hollow sorrel
I don't know about teleporting to a group member. I mean, if your herd separates you definitely should not be able to simply instant transmission to someone, even if there's a 20 second timer.
But I do feel like being able to spawn in as a herd/pack could work, possibly.
vocal yacht
The juvy giga is still slow as fuck
What is this, everything can outrun it but the taco
shut gale
probably very damn hard to get food as a fresh juvie x)
vocal yacht
Yeah it is not to mention now u starve faster
While challenging I get it, they still haven't balanced the juvy giga
spiral pond
@barren zephyr you do realize that allo has the same speed as para right ?
also it can catch utahs with its ambush now
so yea i woudnt buff it anymore
it already almost outruns cera
also the entire point of it was to outrun rex with normal sprint
not catch whatever the fuck it wants for lunch
also if he was to run 35 km when adult, his ambush would be 45,5 which is even faster then a GALLI
and para, cera and dilo would need a speed buff in return
valid flower
@clever hinge not even trikes can counter them anymore, Rex can face tank a trike and a giga can wreck 2 trikes easily
frail cargo
2 trikes is a stretch
valid flower
Ofc giga and rex fanboys disagree
hasty parcel
"disagree"
Your suggestion ain't very good anyways
They didn't even buff either
They nerfed their hunger recently
and how is it unrealistic or doesn't make sense that they're as strong as those mid-tiers?
Carno isn't even meant to take them on, it's a small game hunter
hasty parcel
Yes it does
hasty parcel
I'm far from a rex player
I've played rex once
They're sub-adults, they're not juveniles anymore
valid flower
Sub adults, they shouldnt be stronger than a fully grown Allo.
Freaking allosaur
lmao
Trust me a sub adult would be no where near as strong as an adult allo irl
valid flower
exactly
hasty parcel
And that's why they're as strong as the adult mid-tiers
valid flower
They are making apexes easier to grow
valid flower
thats why the servers are filled with rexes and gigas
hasty parcel
They nerfed the hunger on the juveniles and subs in the latest patch
They made it more difficult to grow the apexes
valid flower
Wasnt a big nerf tbh
hasty parcel
How are you sure
valid flower
They didnt change it that much
hasty parcel
Well, from what I've heard from others, it's way more difficult
hasty parcel
Getting to the fully grown sub-adults still takes basically as long if not longer to grow an adult mid tier
hasty parcel
Yes, I know, and yes that's weird to me
valid flower
I got face tanked by rexes muiltiple of times which is pretty annoying
they just run to me, and bite.
with 0 skill.
hasty parcel
weirdest part being the recent buff to juvenile trike with 120N at full grown juvie and then 20N at fresh prog sub 
valid flower
When bleed killed u, skill was required, now not rlly.
Cause rexes had to worry about bleed dmg
barren zephyr
wdym it makes no sense their larger than u and carno is known for having a shitty bite
earnest cave
@valid flower I agrre with you you as a Diablo you can't out run a sub Rex and you can't fight back
hazy sparrow
Gotta love people discussing how rex and giga subs can kill allos and then somehow get into discussion about trikes...
normal fern
@valid flower Why does cera need a size buff?
Explain
hasty parcel
I mean, Cerato is my favorite dinosaur in Survival, but I am not very sure it needs a size buff, which would also mean a weight mass buff, probs health buff and possibly bite force buff 
It's in a pretty nice position in my opinion
normal fern
I know, random suggestion with no justification what so ever
hasty parcel
We don't want it to go back to Ceratorex
valid flower
@normal fern Mate
its sooo tiny
to the point where I cant tell if its a juvie or adult
for real.
I mean not a HUUGE size buff
Just a little bit bigger
its a size of a utah
almost.
waxen elk
valid flower
Because rexes and gigas should be the strongest
According to the devs and dondi
Nothing should be better
than rexes and gigas
regal pecan
@valid flower 
valid flower
rawr
outer nebula
@coral atlas they are planning a mapping system already
coral atlas
@outer nebula Thank you for telling me! I just got the game last night so I really appreciate all the info I can get lol!
outer nebula
you're welcome they are currently working on it and placing official name for certain areas but no eta on it
misty island
empty junco
I tend to agree with the suggestions to reduce giga grow time by an hour. After the recent nerfs it's really doesn't need to take as long as it does
For the performance you get for the time, why not grow a rex? Which is what everyone is doing. Rex's outnumber gigas 10 to 1 on survival servers
desert prairie
@lone crypt Great idea, BB is a busted mechanic which makes rex stupidly op.
barren zephyr
stark ruin
@blazing charm Just read your "Baryonyx Survival Document", and it was so awesome. There was also a mention of an Austro document you had written. How many of these have you made and where can they be found? xD Because they're cool
barren zephyr
Rex needs bone break otherwise it's useless for crying out loud the animal can only run for 30 seconds before stopping
barren zephyr
Well then you are a bad Giga player
hazy sparrow
🙄
desert prairie
The fact you think that an RNG mechanic that can basically make a dino immobile and trash hours of growth is dumb
desert prairie
I dont know if you know this
but you cant hear anything behind you
It's legit mute
hazy sparrow
Turn your head and you can
barren zephyr
Also the fact that you are saying that Rex having bone break is a broken mechanic is completely dumb cause as a Rex you need bone break to stop your prey otherwise your fucked since everything with a brain can outrun you
blazing charm
@stark ruin Check the bottom of the document, there's a link that will take you to an index with every document i've done.
barren zephyr
Rex is fine right now it doesn't need to be changed
blazing charm
Granted, alot of them are outdated and I'm gonna start updating a few of them.
desert prairie
I don't know, rexes imo are to good right now
barren zephyr
How they're balanced with Giga right now
wintry cipher
If rex didn't have bonebreak it would be giga chow
desert prairie
Yes because for some reason they made it an ambush predator
desert prairie
Give rex a stun instead of a cripple
barren zephyr
That is basically what it does right now
desert prairie
no
desert prairie
Exactly most big dinos like giga or trike could have a chance to get away
maybe not trike
wintry cipher
A stun implies you can't even retaliate. With a broken leg you still can.
desert prairie
my bad ment disorientate or knock over
desert prairie
Rex doesn't 3 shot a giga
wintry cipher
....still worse than broken leg
desert prairie
it would have a chance to run
barren zephyr
No it wouldn't
Tell me that as a Giga you'd survive being knocked over by a rex no cause it would eat while your still alive
wintry cipher
If you are knocked on your side the animation alone would take 5+ seconds to get back up
You are dead
barren zephyr
???
wintry cipher
Just keep your head on a swivel like everyone else. And if you need to learn to act like prey to survive, then do it
desert prairie
losing hours just because you are unable to get away
wintry cipher
You had the chance to get away before the rex could ambush. It also lasts only 6 seconds?
barren zephyr
That might suck and all but imagine if you were in the Rexes shoe you'd have to go through same hardships as him
wintry cipher
So he had to get super close
desert prairie
You're assuming the rex is alone
wintry cipher
All the harder to go unseen then. Everything runs in packs
desert prairie
Fair point
wintry cipher
I'm no Apex player mind you but that's pmuch my angle on it. You see rex you run/trot away. He can't tail you for long as a giga with that swagger
You just have to have eyes
desert prairie
I've only grown an apex once, it was a giga and I grouped with 2 others. Rex's are insane he 1v3'd us
barren zephyr
Were you full grown?
desert prairie
yup
wintry cipher
Did you try facetanking it?
wintry cipher
Bad luck for picking that fight.
desert prairie
Suppose
wintry cipher
That's all it is frankly, and if he hadn't you would have bleed him out easy
That's how it's balanced
desert prairie
Still not a fan of RNG
wintry cipher
I mean they could just make it not rng and succeed every time
empty junco
With rex bone break chance, the rex only has to get lucky once and its game over
high % bone break = very high odds of not survivng the fight as giga, as well as on the official servers rex's and gigas having the same limits creates a real issue
on US3 we have 3 5 pack rex groups that have divided the map into quadrants
the only counter to that is more rex's, you can't win the 5 giga vs 5 rex fight, you'd need 7-8 gigas
It'd be more balanced if the rex max group size was 3 and the giga max was 5, or 4 rex, 6 gigas or something
I think just setting the giga grow time back one hour and setting the rex / giga pack limits to 4 and 6
would balance things a fair bit
civic sky
As Keit said, best way to avoid rex is to simply, well, avoid it. Trike is the only dino I can see destroying rex fir obvious reasons.
Not to mention it’s slower so from a balance perspective it makes sense too
lone crypt
When regional damage comes in, BB will only be applied if you get bitten on the leg or waist
empty junco
It's not possible to completely avoid rex's in the numbers currently being seen on the official dino servers imo, maybe if you stand in the exact center of the largest field you can find and rotate 360 degrees to check with your camera every 10-15 seconds
It's not practical
frail cargo
bonebreak could be removed from rex temporarily until it is added, to compensate from its removal rex's bleed could be increased a bit
civic sky
Not to say “if I can do it so can you” but I easily avoid them. Only time I get caught is when they ambush me but then again that’s on me fir allowing one to sneak up on me.
empty junco
When on a 100 player server 15-20 players are rex, its just too many.
civic sky
But you do have valid points, due to there being too many it can be hard. But I can avoid a pair or even three quite well.
empty junco
It's a struggle we have a megapack on us3 that has the map divided up into quadrants always in packs of 5
to not go over the limit
They have completely erradicated the herbi population (no herds in a week or more)
barren zephyr
@brazen wolf From all the comments you've posted about Giga in #401481402782056460 it just seems that you suck at playing Giga cause Giga can kill Rex and Rex can kill Giga it's a 50/50
empty junco
I don't agree @barren zephyr It's not close atm, 1v1 in sandbox rex wins that 80-90% + of the time even in good hands
especially with the ability to laydown and always live at the end from bleed
It's more damage + more health + bonebreak, and the turn radius is now similar
unless the rex player is terrible, they almost always win
barren zephyr
Are you on alt turn server?
empty junco
Offical, all have it on
It's very confusing to call a fight between two dinos where one has less health, less damage, no bonebreak and similar turn radius even.
It's really not
If stats stay the same giga needs atleast a grow time reduction
if unchanged
lilac swallow
At least giga can simply dont fight by out staming the rex, not like trike
empty junco
It does have that going for it^, perhaps the only thing it does have in its favor after last patch
umbral prairie
@wheat igloo at the moment, bb is far too easy to apply, just by biting the tail of something, I think once they introduce locational damage and dino collision, you will actually have to hit the leg to break it.I can imagine multiple creatures like anky, pachy etc getting bb once than is in
torpid wedge
yeah im sure more dinos are getting BB it’ll just be a matter of time
umbral prairie
@brazen wolf agreed, but I think rex should keep it's speed and damage, but right now, with how easy using bb is and with ass riding being a thing, it is not requiring any skill to kill something as a rex except getting close without getting seen (which is also not hard to do). once ass riding is not possible and you don't do much damage when biting tails, also not applying bb when biting tails, rex will be fine
brazen wolf
😋
wheat igloo
Agreed, I really hope they are able to do locational damage soon
Otherwise right now the rex is just.. too much imo
umbral prairie
I hope combat rework will be a priority after the code rework, but there is so much more they want to do aswell
like fish, corpse dragging, flyers, affinity etc
brazen wolf
@umbral prairie Ass Riding Does not work with Rex, Because it would Alt Turn and spam bite.
when broken leg Giga is knocked out
and there goes 6 hours
umbral prairie
no I mean the rex ass riding a giga when it has a broken leg
that is the problem rn
but with the combat rework ass riding will hopefully be very inefficient
brazen wolf
I think giga needs Speed
umbral prairie
and breaking somebody's leg will hopefully require hitting the leg
umbral prairie
I think giga doesn't need to be as fast as rex, that would just doom all mid tiers since giga has 2 minutes of stam
brazen wolf
if Rex is a good player he could take out 2 giga
umbral prairie
giga could be a little bit faster so rexes need longer to catch up
brazen wolf
or nurf Rex back to Giga speed
umbral prairie
that would destroy it's intended hunting style
umbral prairie
it really isn't considering rex only has 30 seconds of stam while giga has 2 minutes and can regen stam by trotting
wheat igloo
The giga is supposed to be faster than the rex, rex isn't supposed to be too fast.
brazen wolf
Rex is not 30 secound
umbral prairie
giga was faster irl (probably, idk) but in game that would just not work with balance
wheat igloo
Right now when running as a giga, it feels like it is running at a crawl speed
umbral prairie
giga is supposed to be an endurance bleeder (which it isn't because it kills without using bleed) , rex is supposed to be the fast ambusher
umbral prairie
they fit in their niches, just bb and ass riding is the problem
brazen wolf
Nono In my openoin speed is the main problem
umbral prairie
the rest is fine except giga could be a little faster so rexes need longer to catch up to them
brazen wolf
well i dont know if they will fix it
but i will not be playing giga anymore
Good luck sammel
am tiredof postiont
posting
and all these Rex players are Crying
looking at my post
umbral prairie
what rex players are crying? I'm sure every rex player is aware that rexes are too easy to play right now
I'm not a rex player myself but I like that it is a fast ambusher, before it's speed buff it wasn't a threat to anything but tacos
floral plover
Lol @blazing charm
floral plover
:O
blazing charm
Also upvoting your own suggestion, really?
floral plover
Why not?
Why not let it have a claw attack?
Makes more sense than running and kicking.
hasty parcel
Btw, still love reading your docs Jaffad. You're really dedicated to getting the Bary doc right 
blazing charm
@hasty parcel I'm on the right track, I just need more info
barren zephyr
Galli would do substantially less damage with an arm attack then he would if he could kick
Those arms are beyond frail
blazing charm
As for the claw attack, it's arms don't really look suited to clawing
barren zephyr
^basically what I'm getting at
indigo sun
I think the legs are definitely stronger than the little arms. Should be better to just fix the kick a bit
blazing charm
Although I will admit it does look odd when attacking
barren zephyr
Except like 3 times larger
jolly willow
ye
blazing charm
The way it kinda just "floats" as it run kicks
pulsar lake
Rex is 30 seconde
compact coyote
run kick shouldnt exist
indigo sun
What should it have instead then?
languid niche
@fathom canopy is so toxic he didn't agree with my point of view and wouldn't listen to what was being said.. so he called me autistic. how rude
floral plover
Locational Dmg will help the claw attack.