They are fast enough
#general-feedback-discussion
tranquil token
I'm happy I've never seen one in game. Only in videos.
misty island
Looks a demon from hell lol
tranquil token
Oh no I know. I've seen the detail on it and honestly I think it looks beautiful.
I'm honestly looking forward to the Hypo Utah, and Hypo Stego I think the most though. That's if we ever get them and get the Stego even in survival.
rigid tartan
snake mode to swlalow food whole 😄
tranquil token
Fragon the split jaw I have one thing to say about: Shin Godzilla
cedar echo
Maybe just mayybe human player can have something to do with hypo dinos.... this could be something good for human's goals in the isle. pls dont spank me dondi
ocean vortex
by the time Diablo reaches adult, how strong is a sub-trike by then?
if their power level is almost the same, I might just make a suggestion about Diablo
lilac swallow
@ocean vortex sub trike is weaker by a big difference
ocean vortex
hm, seems legit then
rigid tartan
@flat galleon only add leg break chance if the enemy is hit by trike charge attack. otherwise i dont think it should have leg break chance
@valid flower again i only think the charge should have a bone break. its not like it can stomp on a leg... maybe toes but you're not stomping anyones legs lol unless its something smaller than you, utah/allo etc in which case sure break em.
rigid tartan
how u gonna stomp a skull of anything. trikes short af
misty island
" utah/allo"
misty island
ya...
they should
but lets wait for the locational damage model
i subspect that would buff trikes quite a bit
rigid tartan
yea
pulsar lake
For me
If a trike break legs with her horns
He break her horns with the enemy leg
I think it should be more logic to do more bleed and more damage.
rigid tartan
like i said, makes sense for charge to break legs, but it should ideally do more gore damage with its horns
regal pecan
instead of stomp breaking legs, which doesnt make much sense to me personally, they should add a piercing dmg to Triceratops which can cripple when they implement local dmg into the game...
rigid tartan
@wispy abyss i agree its too easy to eat, i honestly would love to see A.I only spawn if 2-3 carnivs are in the area, and ava only if theyr large carnivores. FORCING you guys to either fight for that golden food source or to live to fight another day and search elsehwere for an easier meal
tranquil token
Yes but then we also have the issue of everyone hunting poor defenseless juvies constantly... which scares away new players...
Granted people do that enough already unfortunately.
regal pecan
i just think that this is an easy game for new players to understand, the mechanics are simple and theres not much to learn...at least i speak for myself, play this game for 2months and since the very 1st day i didnt had any struggles understanding or playing this game...i was new but i felt that maybe i was on equal terms than players that play the game for 2/3years...thats it...personally to me the game is not "overwhelming" for a new player.
minor dome
@rigid tartan this game is brutal and making the new player experience "easier" defeats the purpose of introducing that concept to a new player.
speaking for myself it was a very thrilling experience not knowing anything or where i was or going with danger lurking around me.
in this game you WILL die. if that scares them off they werent going to play anyway imo
rigid tartan
@minor dome honestly i have a few friends hesitant to even try the game from what it looks like via youtube, one friend tried it out solo and genuinely hated it and thought it was boring as he died repeatedly before learning anything. it wasnt until i played it with him that his mind completely changed and hes now inlove with it. it is a VERY group oriented experience to reach full potential
regal pecan
but the game has it is right now is boring...your friend isnt wrong in that aspect
minor dome
i think your friend is a wuss but he has his friend in you so good for him!
im happy he plays
regal pecan
and solo is fun too, not just in a group...the problem to me in this game is that i dont think it has many playstyles has it should have...the dinos are basically the same except for Suchomimus but even that dino doesnt have much to do cause theres no fish to hunt so it has no porpoise right now.
rigid tartan
problem is there is no "starting zone" you're in the thick of it from the get go, and as a new player thats very boring to spawn and die. i realise theres no freshspawn killing. but it still happens
regal pecan
i think that with the introduction of humans and other types of dinosaurs would make the game more exciting to play.
minor dome
i kinda agree with that peacock
the playstyles not being very unique across many dinos
regal pecan
the combat is pretty lame and ez cause theres no collision, i liked the idea that the lead developer had of putting dino affinity...idk...the game needs to be way more challenging...but that just my way of viewing things
im an adept of survival games and to me right now The Isle is the one that has more potential to thrive
oak shale
rigid tartan
@barren zephyr they have rock colision because people were hiding in rocks
barren zephyr
@rigid tartan Ahh.. i see.. makes sence.. And it probably can't be turned on for size small size dino's and off for bigger sized
rigid tartan
yeah think theyr working on it
barren zephyr
Good to hear!
hazy sparrow
I killed a raptor hiding in a rock before they changed it... Saw him sit down though... 😃
rigid tartan
excellent work
brisk mesa
@barren zephyr Reacting to your own suggestion is a bit of a taboo.
barren zephyr
Im not doing it for the benefit im doing for people to react to
I still don’t understand why the person who reacted to that is against it
mental sleet
they can react themselves.
barren zephyr
I think a cat would be cool
brisk mesa
Well, I, the person who reacted, dont.
still temple
"cat dino" wat 
barren zephyr
Its a cat in the dinosaur era
brisk mesa
Dinosaurs were long dead by then.
still temple
I don't think that's how it works mate
barren zephyr
Around that era atleast
brisk mesa
Smilodon conflicted with people.
hasty parcel
not close
brisk mesa
Neanderthals and all.
hasty parcel
Smilodon was way after dinosaurs
still temple
Cenzoic = non avian dinosaurs long dead
brisk mesa
Smilodon doesn't make sense as an addition, thematically.
barren zephyr
I just think it would be a cool thing to add
still temple
what would smilodon do against dinosaurs
brisk mesa
Even a Utahraptor is susbantially larger and more powerful than a Smilodon.
Just to give an idea of scale here.
still temple
also keep in mind every new playable costs ~ $5000+ to implement
and suggestions posted publicly can and will be criticised, whether it be positively or negatively.
barren zephyr
I just think it would be cool i can have an opinion
still temple
and other people who don't agree with the suggestion also has opinions
rigid tartan
yeah it would be a bit obsolete. not a fan of being alittle kitty in a big world
mystic kestrel
rigid tartan
he was just suggesting it.
rigid tartan
ok? well he obviously likes that specific prehistoric creature. chill
rigid tartan
dont be, its just a suggestion board with random suggestions lol some will be a bit out there
jolly willow
anybody got thoughts on what stats/what about Para should get buffed
jolly willow
the lingering hitbox for the kick is needed, but idk about it moving around while doing so
i think its speed should be buffed a tiny bit but not to what it was pre nerf where people were whining real bad
jolly willow
I've heard people mostly complain about the kick just
being hard to aim and time and its even worse because hitboxes are baed
spiral pond
@fading shadow no, having para over dilo speed is problem for dilos and ceras since they could get run down by paras before so no, but animtaion vise i agree with you the new run anim is cringe af
and no dont keep its bad dmg
thorny lynx
@lone crypt Open that shit wide, let me see how big yo mouth is
lone crypt
When they get their gimmick, I hope that when grabbing onto large prey, they get a wide bite like that
Actually that would be a really nice roar
misty island
For the bleed dmg one
mental sleet
?
unborn quail
Wha
misty island
I doubt bleed needs to be adjusted
It’s a overtime damage based on the attacker
So a bigger jaw bites you you get hurt more over time
lone crypt
What?
misty island
That being said
mental sleet
I can tell you the bleed damage is not based on the attacker.
the bleed quantity dealt per bite is.
the more bleed you have, the more damage you take every 3 seconds.
heavier animals apply bleed faster, but they do not increase its damage.
misty island
nonono
i get whatt you are suggesting
but i am trying to say
bleed is an effect based off the type/size of the wound
so it doesnt matter if a small animal gets a lot of bleed
becuase it s wound is huge
mental sleet
I am confused.
mental sleet
not necessarily, no.
misty island
Let's say, purely as an example, that a Giga has 100 bleed and bleed resistance of 0.5x, he will be taking 50 damage every 3 seconds, this isn't much to a Giga if he can rest in time.
Now, let's say a Pachy has the exact same amount of Bleed, and bleed resistance. The Pachy will then also be taking 50 damage every 3 seconds.
mental sleet
the amount of bleed is a measurement of how much you are bleeding.
misty island
ya
mental sleet
not of how much damage the wound did to you.
so, why should a dryo that is bleeding, relatively, as much as a giga, take the same damage ?
misty island
no thats not what i am saying
thats base damage
i am saying the bleed damage is trying to represent a wound
is that right?
mental sleet
That is what I got from your messages yes.
misty island
beacuse
a dilo has huge bleed
because of the shape of its teeth
and so on
and if we look at it like the size of a wound
lone crypt
OHHHH I get what he’s trynna say
misty island
so the size of the victim doesnt really matter
because
a big animal suffers from a 10 cm wound is way less affacted by it
than a tiny animal
lone crypt
Your saying that when allo uses a larger bite on prey while grabbing (like I suggested), more bleed is dealt?
mental sleet
Well, that's the thing, bleed isn't based on the size of the wound
its based on how much you are bleeding.
its a relative term.
high bleed = you are bleeding a lot
because bleed is the same value for all animals.
it goes from 0 to 100.
so a dryo with 100 bleed is bleeding like a bitch
and so would a giga with 100 bleed.
doesn't matter how injured they are, just that they are both bleeding considerably.
misty island
but big animal has more blood
mental sleet
yep.
yet if you are bleeding all over the body, you are also losing more blood because you are bigger, right ?
mental sleet
but that is not what is at stake.
fading shadow
mental sleet
not how they were made to start bleeding, but how they bleed.
how they began bleeding to begin with is already adressed by the game in the amount of bleed you take when attacked.
misty island
Ya so if they do change it into %wise
They would still give giga more bleed percent
It doesn’t change the fact that the same about of bleed would fuck a pachy but went easy on a giga
fading shadow
@spiral pond the para got nerfed to be the same speed as dilo before they changed the animations
mental sleet
It does, fragon.
mental sleet
because making it % based means the time you take to die is only affected by your bleed resistance.
you can see in the first example with Pachy dying in 90 seconds and Giga in 360 on the same bleed.
misty island
Ya I know
mental sleet
so both the pachy and giga are bleeding like bitches yet pachy dies earlier why ?
fading shadow
Bc giga is a thicc lad
misty island
An elephant bleeding 50cc of blood per second they can last for days
A person bleeding 50cc of blood can only last for 12 hrs
fading shadow
50cc is not very much
mental sleet
not for an elephant
mental sleet
yes* I get the idea.
fading shadow
Ok lol bc 50ccs is like a paper cut
mental sleet
ffs.
south flower
@barren zephyr While I can see the reasoning behind that Report option upon death, I think people would abuse that more than use it for good, including filing false reports and getting innocent people kicked/banned from servers. Some people do not use the automatic recording option in the game, and sometimes these people will file for KOS/KFS/etc when they think they've been killed by a rulebreaker.
jovial arch
Wait
David
Why
You can literally just adjust the numbers
It’s the same exact thing
mental sleet
This is far more efficient ?
jovial arch
Except one is written in percentages
mental sleet
No, you still can.
jovial arch
And another is written in flat values
mental sleet
You can edit the base % itself or the bleed resistance.
except that flat value is the base for how the entirety of the bleed system works.
which makes it quite bad.
mental sleet
no, they aren't.
One only requires changes to the bleed resistance values
the other one is not reliable, and still requires changes to the bleed resistance.
the % one is an easy change and results in bleed amounts actually making sense.
I do not see how you can find the two systems even remotely similar.
thorny lynx
@waxen elk Zesk Allo bites hella fast for how much damage and bleed it does... idk why you have an issue lowering the bite speed just a little and getting a new animation to replace its lame nip
thorny lynx
Just bite speed. Everything else under the fucking sun got one
Carno, rex, cerato, dilo
Allo's turn
Sucho got one, too
waxen elk
Although yeah it was fine with 250
unborn quail
I mean, Animation changes are the last thing that really need to be suggested on, Seeing as the devs are gong to be moving into a time of change with the ingame code, Kinda seems pointless
thorny lynx
Allo's trot is so janky tho...
unborn quail
It really isn't, and it doesn't matter regardless
That's stuff that can be fixed later on
Your nit picking at stuff that really does not matter at the games current state
Like yeah sure, Animations could use some touch ups, But they aren't directly impacting the game as it stands currently.
lone crypt
Yeah, agreed
But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a valid suggestion, but it’s not a priority
barren zephyr
So i have been thinking if the sabor tooth was after dinosaurs then why is there humans with advanced weapons mind you
??
Riddle me that
umbral prairie
the game plays in our time
umbral prairie
the dinos were recreated, but the saber wasn't
because they don't want this game to just be full of extinct things
barren zephyr
I want another raptor
umbral prairie
we don't know the full lore yet
barren zephyr
Maybe a raptor with feathers
umbral prairie
I also think that saber would be nothing but a 'run away and hide' playable, considering how tiny it is compared to the other playables
barren zephyr
But thats how herbivores are
umbral prairie
yeah feathered raptors would be nice, maybe they'll reskin velo at some point, I think they also had a feather system thing planned some years ago
yeah atm herbis aren't much fun
that's why you don't see any of them
barren zephyr
I think more colors would be cool too
umbral prairie
except maybe dryo and galli sometimes because they can troll
barren zephyr
Yeah
jovial arch
@thorny lynx Allo bites once a second i tested it the other day
Yes it has a higher attack speed but it won't actually help you vs, well, anything
dibble has enough damage that it doesn't affect the matchup
sit there are facetank the dibble and it'll wreck you with ease
lone crypt
Allo is a decent pursuit predator, as it was meant to be. It’s able to outrun every carnivore (that I know of), even though some are faster
jovial arch
with cerato you really only need 1-2 bites to give it critical bleed
sucho wrecks allo even harder
i guess you can kinda make the case for subs
but subs shouldn't fuck with allo
lone crypt
Well when fish are implemented, sucho is getting a nerf anyways
jovial arch
and plus im pretty sure subs have great attack speed anyway
but allo's bite is definitely not 2 per 1 second
like
lone crypt
1 per second maybe
jovial arch
it's 1 per second
just go
in a dm
and spam click bite
run a timer
if you bite first at 0 seconds
you'll always have 1 extra bite
so you'll get like
1.05 or something in that realm of bites per second
lone crypt
I mean, allo can run a Carno to death
lone crypt
I do it all the time, you only need one bite, and it’s over unless the Carno can get to a safe place
jovial arch
oh
lone crypt
Even better if they fight back
lone crypt
Yeah, one bite, run them down, they’ll bleed to death
jovial arch
if the carno abuses game mechanics
lone crypt
Just always keep an eye on them
jovial arch
and it also depends on tick rate
lone crypt
yeah
lone crypt
Well doesn’t bleed go up if you move too much?
lone crypt
Oh
lone crypt
Which is why allo can run down a Carno, so long as it gets a bite in
Also you need to know how to track people and such
lone crypt
holy crap, that much???
jovial arch
it sounds like a lot
but it's not much
that translates into like 5 minutes of running
no
i don't think allo can kill carno
the carno just runs for 2 minutes
sits for 1 minute
and it's fine
you're actually not fast enough
to keep up
lone crypt
I know that being bitten by an allo increases the amount of bleed you get, so if you get bitten twice, you’re on two bleed. That’s what I remember from being hunted by allos a while ago
jovial arch
if you get bitten twice
yeah you're toast
probably
3 times im 100% sure you're just gone
lone crypt
You don’t need to be fast enough, you just need to make sure they don’t stop moving. One bite could do it, but two bites, which you’ll probably get if you play your cards right, will certainly be enough
thorny lynx
I bit almost twice. I can spam bite allo's bite.
Allo does 20 bleed base
So 26.67 damage each bite on carno
I hate how easy it is to stack bleed on something. Everything seems to hemorrhage in 4 bites or less unless you get hit by a cerato or rex.
lone crypt
Mm
makes a little sense tho, you would bleed profusely if you got shredded in multiple areas by a Dino
But things will change in the combat overhaul maybe
thorny lynx
I hope so. Getting bit in the same area should localize bleeding. Like, each limb or body part can only take a maximum % of bleed.
lament thorn
@torpid wedge viop?
torpid wedge
voice in proximity
like if you’re close enough there’d be a PTT keybind to use your mic
you’d be able to disable it if you don’t wanna hear other people
lament thorn
So while you're talking your creature is just F calling over and over again?
torpid wedge
i was thinking more when you start talking it’d call, then when your mic stops picking up sound and hears something else again it’d call
it wouldnt be open mic bc that’d be cancer
only push to talk
lament thorn
Yeh but if you say a sentence that's sounds for it to pick up
lament thorn
How long would a pause be?
desert prairie
If they add voice chat in this game the servers will get major autism
as in probably crashing
torpid wedge
desert prairie
jolly willow
If they're against a map cause HUR MU REALISM they'll be against local vc.
You already cant chat with other species text-way
🤷
torpid wedge
no it’d be same species
like only other raptors could understand
and to other dinos it’d just be your f call
jolly willow
oh i see
ehhgg?? maybe?? i guess???
theres no real reason to use it to be completely honest less they're randos and ARENT in a discord group/server chatting to eachother there
its usually the latter
jovial arch
@mental sleet
"Pachy: 100 x 1.5 x 0.5 = 75 damage every 3 seconds
Giga: 100 x 6 x 0.5 = 300 damage every 3 seconds"
Under the current system this is just pachy with 0.75 bleed res and giga with 3.0 bleed res. You're pretty much just asking for bigger dinos to have worse bleed res/bleed res in general to change. Just cause you converted to % hp as opposed to flat damage doesn't mean it's a completely different system. The only impact this would have is on growing dinosaurs, assuming percentage values didn't scale down as you grew. That would change significantly, but I don't think that's the point you're trying to make as it isn't mentioned once in your post.
mental sleet
Bleed resistance can be changed by the devs themselves, though it would be a nerf to larger animals as it should be, because bleed barely touches them, while small tiers now take overall less damage from bleed, because damage per bleed was set to a specific value. With this change each animal, should they have the same bleed resist and bleed, take the same time to die.
jovial arch
yes
mental sleet
Its better.
jovial arch
ok
mental sleet
it means the devs can work around bleed better than it was before, and its in-game impact is roughly the same for all animals.
jovial arch
so wait
do you think that all dinos should bleed out in the same time?
is that your goal?
waxen elk
@brazen wolf Why should T.rex have bonebreak removed?
mental sleet
I think the bleed level on every animal should represent the same potential threat.
brazen wolf
No one can compet against it
It is the biggest advantage that a rex has
you know if bone break that's a death sentence
mental sleet
since the devs aren't going to be using the same bleed resistances for every animal, some will take longer to die than others and so on, so forth.
waxen elk
A smart Giga can yeet a rex
brazen wolf
You lie Zesk you a Rex boy
waxen elk
jovial arch
ok
brazen wolf
why pretend you play giga
waxen elk
Im a Cerato boy
brazen wolf
Giga is no chance
waxen elk
Maybe you just suck?
brazen wolf
I play Cerato too
waxen elk
Except im not making biased suggestions about nerfing Rex
brazen wolf
If Rex breaks leg A Utha can kill it
waxen elk
brazen wolf
You know that
clever leaf
"faster"
brazen wolf
Dillo could kill rex
clever leaf
rex burns down stamina fairly fast
brazen wolf
if it breaks leg
waxen elk
idk
jovial arch
real questions
brazen wolf
So why should Rex have Bone Break if he is Already op
brazen wolf
Too Many Rex fan so am pissing them offf
brazen wolf
Rex needs Bone Break Removed
jovial arch
actually
paper oriole
More dinos should have legbreak tbh, herbis specifically
waxen elk
Rex's triumph card is the bonebreak
waxen elk
If rexes didn't have it
jovial arch
it's not that slow anymore
paper oriole
Rex should only have legbreak during ambush
waxen elk
A good Giga can yeet one out
Tbh keep Rex bb
But im serious here
Speed is overkill
Base run
waxen elk
He can ambush 1.5 all it wants but 33.2 base run is too much
waxen elk
Utah is worse tbh
jovial arch
it outcompetes other stuff way too hard
waxen elk
I'd be fine if Rex was what Cerato was before but it's actually rex and it's an apex
brazen wolf
Zesk play creito and shut your mouth if you not Playing Rex
waxen elk
who are you
brazen wolf
Rex need it's Bone Break Seriously
waxen elk
Don't tell me what to do first of all
You calling people names because le epik Giga can't be the most powerful thing ingame isn't helping your case
waxen elk
But threetail!
brazen wolf
you dont play that dino and make comment as if you care
paper oriole
They should increase stam drain during rex ambush and make legbreak 80% during it, no legbreak outside ambush. Reduce their base run to like 26 and reduce their run stam drain. Its an ambush pred after all
brazen wolf
so better dont give your use less talk
waxen elk
Ok so if i don't play this dinosaur i can't have an opinion
brazen wolf
WhyComeAndDiscussWhithMe
waxen elk
It's like "IF U CANT DO DIS DON CRITISISE 😠 " all over again
spiral pond
Both drop it
brazen wolf
RexNeedsItsBoneBreakRemoved.That'sMySuggestion
waxen elk
Bad suggestion
brazen wolf
ThenYouCallMeHEreToDiscuss
waxen elk
Im giving you a better one
Which is make Rex slow again
Because i'll be honest here
A massive ammount of problems related to balance sparked with Rex being speed buffed
paper oriole
It should be more punishing if you miss your prey in an ambush but almost certain legbreak for a hit. Rex base should be slow i mean theyre fat af anyway
clever leaf
thinking you should run off a t.rex bite
jovial arch
well
waxen elk
What it doesn't need is speed
jovial arch
it would need it
waxen elk
Imo
jovial arch
if it was slow
waxen elk
Ye
jovial arch
rn it really doesn't
clever leaf
speed is fine due to its stamina
waxen elk
Not really
paper oriole
It should be slow, but with a fast and short ambush
waxen elk
Better idea
Just make rex slow again
28 km/h
As for ambush
I'd keep it high speed but no momentum
waxen elk
Because even now momentum cripples it as bad as it does to Allosaurus
spiral pond
Not no momentum
waxen elk
Ambush should have less
paper oriole
What ever makes less people play them so servers arent infested with hufe apex pop anymore
waxen elk
Yeah
jolly willow
rexes speed is fine in my eyes rn
nerf the trot speed i guess keep ambush speed
bc thats literally its catch lol
high speed low stam
ambush pred
paper oriole
Maybe AI should only spawn at very low hunger for apex, or only one will spawn in an area for them forcing them to move to spawn more. Idk
waxen elk
Except ambush predators should have a slow base run
AMBUSH PREDATORS
They're ambush for a reason
jolly willow
how fast is rexes base run rn
waxen elk
33.2 km/h
jolly willow
uh.
waxen elk
He nyoom
jolly willow
ok yeah nerf that shit
wtf
someone put this into the actual suggests channel pl0x
paper oriole
Shoyld be like 25 or some shit lol keep speedy ambush but slow lumbering trot and base run
jolly willow
yeah sure
paper oriole
Yea 28 would do
jolly willow
ye
jovial arch
Honestly
It could do with an ambush improvement
The ambush is fast sure
But it effectively only lasts 4-3 seconds
I had a rex in ambush right on top of me who didn’t catch me as Allo
But uh
He did kinda get stuck on a tree
So
🤷
paper oriole
yea the big bois gotta watch for the trees lol
maybe it could have a sort of soft-turn mechanic where it'd brush past rounded obstacles like trees, maybe have it slowed for a quarter second or so while doing so but not a full stuck in a tree stop
while in ambush only of course
paper oriole
about the scars it'd be cool if any time your dino came near death from attack wounds it'd gain a random scar that was permanent . it'd add to the unique looks too
torpid wedge
and if you’re starving then you can see your ribs and dehydrating you get a lot paler lol
jolly willow
ya
thorny lynx
@desert spoke that's why I asked for devs to increase the maximum speed, not minimum
quasi inlet
Question, so if I get off for the night, should I hide my dino? Or will it be there when I come back?
torpid wedge
you should hide it
your dino disappears after five min if you dont safe log and one minute if you do
quasi inlet
Ok.
torpid wedge
but still you wanna log out somewhere inconspicuous so people dont jump you when you log in
quasi inlet
So how do you do a propper logout?
Do you wait for the timer on logout?
Sorry I just got this game last night
shut gale
@quasi inlet press "esc" and a timer will starting counting once it hits 00:00 it disappears and you can press the log out button without your dino staying in game
its called safe log
quasi inlet
Ok. Sweet thank you so much
torpid wedge
don't apologize lol all good, gotta start somewhere :D
quasi inlet
Yea. Lol. I have been struggle bussing this game for the last two days. But it's fun
leaden night
@paper oriole 2 of the top 3 fastest animals are herbivores
Being Gallimimius and Maiasaura
paper oriole
carni, herra and austro are all over 50 km/h. in survival i suppose maia and gali grab second and third place but in total all three are carnis assuming they eventually make it to survival
torpid wedge
what is utah?
leaden night
Herrera and Austro are only super fast because of a size increase
paper oriole
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leaden night
They would have their speed nerfed if they were come to Survival
outer nebula
@paper oriole most of the balancing goes towards the survival dinos in terms of the survival the fastest dinos are carno, gali utah maia pachy dilo they are pretty equal
paper oriole
I suppose so
dapper quail
Herra and austro are not in survival.
The devs dont care about them right now
If you go based off the dinos which are in survival
agile whale
Carno is the fastest of everything, then I believe that maia barely outruns utah and galli, with pachy being barely slower than utah
dapper quail
Then its Carno, Galli, Maia
agile whale
Something like that yeah
outer nebula
and pachy is equal to dilo or something like that
still temple
is Sucho faster than rex?
outer nebula
nope but sucho can out stam it
dapper quail
yeah sucho has good stamina
still temple
oof
dapper quail
Rex is just a litte bit slower than allo
hoary nimbus
@flat pelican dont you mean #401465476661641217 and not #401481402782056460? lol
dapper quail
@copper cradle I agree, Rex kills trike faster than trike kills rex. Plus it has bonebreak, if they were to buff trike where it would kill rex first it would be perfect i think. Rex would still be faster and have bonebreak, but would actually have to fight instead of face tanking trike.
clear turret
Some good suggestions I see this morning. Rex passive run speed Nerf would be so goddamn welcome. Plus Herbi buffs. Nice.
rigid tartan
rex doesnt need a speed nerf, if you let one catch you, you're dumb you can see/hear them coming a mile off
shut gale
it does for the purpose of being able to be hunted by other dinosaurs.
Nothing can hunt something that is both faster and stronger than you
simply for that. altho i think the ambush should stay realible but not as strong as it is right now
regal pecan
i see that ppl want to see Rex slower than a Trike...are you mad?
rigid tartan
it can be hunted... if a giga plays smart it can 1v1 a rex. bleed/speed. honestly i dont see everyones problem with just not.. fighting a rex unless you have a very distinct advantage (two giga's)
shut gale
ok not slower than the trike. just a bit faster
rigid tartan
if you're not confident in fighting it.. walk away rofl
regal pecan
common...no...just no..sometimes the community needs to think with all they re braincells before posting something on suggestions
shut gale
you can't bleed something that out speeds you
that is the main problem.
i do not agree with 26 km speed but the general idea yes
it should be slower than it right now . between the trike and giga
regal pecan
asking for a Rex with 25km/h...common spare my eyes of such nonsense 
shut gale
its the generel idea of it @regal pecan ...
i don't agree with being slower than a trike either x)
regal pecan
rex is already a slowpoke...why do you want it even slower?
rigid tartan
the rex is fine at its speed tbh. it has absolute trash stam theres nothing wrong with a dinosaur thats stronger than the rest in this kind of pyramid scheme game, you want all the apex's to be equal? i dont get it
shut gale
ok again it doesn't matter if you have trash stam
rigid tartan
if u dont want to 1v1 a rex.. dont... just group up
shut gale
when you reach speeds of 33 to 43 km/h
regal pecan
if you re killed by a rex or giga than you deserve to be killed dude...cause is slow xD
shut gale
nothing can come close to you without dying
rigid tartan
but it can lol
shut gale
give me 50km/h rex with 10 secs of stam and i won't die
until an apex pack comes*
x)
rigid tartan
my point. is he's not faster than much.. and the small occasion he is faster than a dino.. they have seen him coming amile off so his stam wont allow him to catch them
he is fine
rigid tartan
but hes not.
shut gale
he is..
rigid tartan
gigas are faster
regal pecan
Rex is balanced right now...its slower than most dinos except for Giga and Trike and its stamina sucks ass, so pls stop posting trash in the suggestions channel
shut gale
only thing that is trash is how easy rexes are to play rn.
rigid tartan
i agree. stop being a gigafanboy 😛
lilac swallow
Just make the Rex lose all its stam as a giga and is slower than a you
regal pecan
@shut gale its not only Rex thats ez...its Giga too and all dinos in general
regal pecan
i agree..they need a hunger nerf
shut gale
not only...
rigid tartan
i agree a giga shouldn't be slower than a rex tho. swap giga speed with t-rex speed but keep the ambush for rex. sorted
shut gale
they need to make them fear something besides other apexes...
rigid tartan
large allo packs can kill a rex easily.. i dont see the problem
regal pecan
allo packs cant mess with apex or they die
shut gale
you shouldn't just be able to run at them like you're a god without having some fear aswell
no they can't
rigid tartan
ive done it. yes they can
shut gale
not currently
lilac swallow
Being on top of the food chain means: being on top of the food chain
shut gale
if only apexes can kill apexes you will always have an apex problem
rigid tartan
how?
regal pecan
God? ppl kill solo adult Rex with tiny Raptor packs xD
shut gale
cause only other apxes can kill you
shut gale
only way an allo pack can kill a rex rn is if the rex is AFK or brain damaged
rigid tartan
lol
lilac swallow
As someone said, make apex starve easier and you have both, an apex that doesnt fear anyone but that is not inmortal
shut gale
ok they should get hungry dragon but not hypo hungry levels...
lilac swallow
@shut gale of course
rigid tartan
yeah i dunno. that just doesnt incentivise you to play when server is low pop... you'll just starve
shut gale
^apex players
rigid tartan
then the servers will suffer
shut gale
yeah...
they need a hunger nerf don't get me wrong
but just how it was before
1h is enough ...
regal pecan
i see alot of unnecessary hatred towards Apex dinos, but the thing is...despite they re hunger they are balanced right now, they cant catch shit but if they catch it your dead which makes sense...they just need a small pack limit (2adults) and thats it.
lilac swallow
Exactly, how It was before
lilac swallow
The buff was only needed when ava didnt exist
regal pecan
@shut gale which dinos do you usually play?
lilac swallow
But they buffed and introduced ava at the same time
regal pecan
Giga...now i know why you want Rex nerfed, no need to talk any further
shut gale
ok dude i want the giga nerfed too...
regal pecan
why?
regal pecan
it doesnt need a nerf..Giga is fine
rigid tartan
yeah ut im interested
shut gale
cause if the rex gets a speed nerf. 2 gigas can run a rex down and just bite the shit of it and kill it without any chances for the rex
rigid tartan
2gigas can already destroy a solo rex.
rigid tartan
huh?
shut gale
unless the gigas are 2IQ
regal pecan
why do you wanna fight Rex so badly with Gigas? this isnt the Rex vs Giga simulator
rigid tartan
u should die
shut gale
it is fair but they should still need to be careful
which you don't right now cause you just spam kill the rex and it dies
rigid tartan
no i disagree my dude.
shut gale
even if the rex plays well there's nothing it can doo
shut gale
wanna hop on a test level and try?
not much else i can do...
and this is my purposel
shut gale
regal pecan
@shut gale tell me something my honourable gentleman....can a Giga kill a Rex if it catch him on ambush and lands the 2 1st bites on him?
shut gale
they should slayer yes but they should still need to be careful...
its a rex in front of them....
not a chew toy
rigid tartan
well yeah if the first giga goe's in and gets immediately leg broken. hes dead. simple... thats the only care they need
shut gale
@regal pecan you mean rn?
rigid tartan
which is already what happens
shut gale
what does it do after? keep spam biting ( in which case it wins) or tries to flee and bleed the rex out?
rigid tartan
no it has a broken leg. its gg, thats what u get for gambling with a rex
lol
thus the care.
shut gale
he didn't specify
regal pecan
let me tell you something...right now a Giga can kill a Rex 1v1 if it lands the 1st 2/3bites...and i know that for sure cause ive tested it on a deathmatch server
rigid tartan
@regal pecan its those people who 3call a t-rex when theyr on their giga from across the map and challenge it in the open, then run over to it and face tank it. then die. that are calling for rex nerfs rofl
they never try sneak p on it
shut gale
well so do rexes tbh
rigid tartan
which is not how it works.
shut gale
😂
regal pecan
Giga has a better turn than Rex and it can kill it if his smart enough..just ambush rex and get is ass and is dead ez...but like i said...this isnt a Rex vs Giga game, this comparison is dumb
shut gale
yes ok agree peacock
its the brawler
so why is there even an ok chance of the giga wining a face tank...
rigid tartan
dont fight a rex 1on1 in the open when he can see you coming, thats a sure way to die
shut gale
the rex has to miss what? 1 bite and the giga wins. its that close
regal pecan
facetank? do you really facetank in this game? lol
rigid tartan
im not sure funs i havent done the bite calculations.
shut gale
i did ....
rigid tartan
but all rex needs is a leg break.
and its over
and if he see's you coming you're only helping him
rigid tartan
naah lol
as giga you're trying to avoid being seen/getting a broken leg. as rex you're trying not to get snuck up on and trying to get them breaks 😃
no1 just stands and clicks
shut gale
thats it?
rigid tartan
isnt that all you need?
u want lasers? 😛
how will a speed nerf change that at all
shut gale
not just the speed nerf
rigid tartan
well what
shut gale
if the rex gets the speed nerf the giga needs teh damage nerf
rigid tartan
nothing u change will change them core mechanics
shut gale
so you can't just run rexes down in a pack of 2 gigas and not fear it a tiny bit..
regal pecan
@shut gale that doesnt make sense at all
shut gale
aite let me try and explain a bit better
rigid tartan
funs
if you nerf giga damage... it doesnt matter if you nerf the rex speed. either way a giga needs to be close to t-rex to fight.. t-rex speed is irrelivant if his enemy is coming TO him
you';re just gonna make gigas even worse at fighting rex's
regal pecan
just fight other things or be smart and try to fuck a Rex without him noticing you..simple, this isnt a Rex vs Giga game
shut gale
Rex speed nerf its only so it can be hunted by other dinosaurs. and not be as easy as it is right now.
Giga damage nerf: with the rex speed nerf 2 gigas can now easily run down a rex and spam click it to death with no counter play from the giga. The damage nerf would make it so the gigas would still have to try and dodge the rexes bite and get 2 bites in so it bleeds to death without suffering casualties on the gigas side
shut gale
no i'm making the gigas have to fight better @rigid tartan
rigid tartan
which is impossible. how will changing their damage change the fight at all
shut gale
you get more penalized from being hit
shut gale
it changes the fact that the gigas can go in and spam bite the rex with not brain gameplay
rigid tartan
honestly thats how a rex fights, not how a giga should fight
shut gale
2 gigas in this scenario*
regal pecan
Rex shouldnt even be hunted in the 1st place...its has no natural predators..but in the game you can hunt it down by smaller things...ive seen ppl demolish Rex players with a pack of 5 raptors without losing even 1...dilos in a pack have a chance too, ive done it before
rigid tartan
2 gigas dont need to think much in regard to fight a rex.
just go take it in turns biting, done
shut gale
@regal pecan that's what it would do
even 2 gigas would need to be careful
to hunt a rex.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT . Rex being harder to hunt
but also harder to hunt with
a tiny bit..
@rigid tartan exactly
brain dead gameplay
regal pecan
if it wasnt what was the meaning of growing the biggest dino in the game? lol
rigid tartan
which is unfortunately how the game works atm funs? changing sped and damage wont change a fight
rigid tartan
yup.. lol
shut gale
awesome gameplay...
rigid tartan
apex gameplay.
shut gale
this way the gigas would have to play the bleed game with the rex...
rigid tartan
key game mechanic for carnivores: bite it till it does
shut gale
bleed it out...
rigid tartan
dies*
regal pecan
theres pretty nice Rex players out there..most of them are trash but there are smart ones out there
shut gale
and then go in to finish it off when it starts getting pale
smart ones don't die peacock
unless they get run down by gigas spam clicking
🤷
in which case no counterplay...
rigid tartan
thats how it already works funs. gigas do TRY to bleed out rex's as they cant face tank them. but unfortunately in most cases they get a broken leg and die. rex's are not food. they are to be feared. unless ofcourse 2gigas
which is balanced.
shut gale
but you don't need to as 2 gigas slayer...
rigid tartan
what?
burnt lodge
Then that is a bad rex
shut gale
spam click ... all the way the rex dies
rigid tartan
i know? the same way you dont need to bleed a maia with 2 allos
2on1 is fine...
lol
2 giga's SHOULD be able to kill a rex pretty braindeadedly
means rex just needs to get the f out of dodge
burnt lodge
^^
shut gale
ok imagine you're a solo rex. and 2 gigas spot you across the map. they run at you and spam click you to death. what counterplay did you have?
shut gale
and when stam is out?
rigid tartan
back yourself against a wall and fight is simple
burnt lodge
Or.... run... hide.. ambush one, break leg... repeat... heal
shut gale
you can always pull the 1 min timer and log out 🤔
burnt lodge
Meh
lilac swallow
@shut gale thats just what happens to trike except that a trike will allways die at sight of a solo apex
shut gale
i understand that slayer i dont' either x)
takes away the fun
for both parties
@lilac swallow you're right but that's something that could be changed aswell
lilac swallow
And should
rigid tartan
i see wat you're saying funs, but the fact of the matter is AS it stands even if the giga's are two... they still need to take care with that first engagement of the rex. if you go straight in and he breaks one of you're legs. hes deffo taking one of you with him
shut gale
mhm agree
rigid tartan
and im fine with how rex vs giga works atm
shut gale
no but 2 good gigas won't let themselves both get a broken leg
shut gale
ah doubt he will
i mean it can if it plays well the gigas let their guard down
but that comes from bad gameplay from the gigas aswell. and having to relie on the enemies to be bad to win is ...
RNG...
rigid tartan
anyway. i dont think either of them need a nerf
shut gale
aite i'll stop arguing x)
rigid tartan
😛
shut gale
^^
rigid tartan
you said you mainly play giga x]
rigid tartan
im a trike main, and even where trike is (weaker than the other 2 apex's) im fine with where theyr at.. why should i be able to 1on1 a rex or giga. thats mental. thats why i have a herd
shut gale
i can play somethign and not be bias towards it
regal pecan
bias? whats that?
half rampart
does this game work with a hp laptop
shut gale
you kind of favor that thing
rigid tartan
probably reaper.
shut gale
@half rampart think you need to check system requirements on the steam page
rigid tartan
depends on your SPECS SON
shut gale
but they might be outdated not sure..
half rampart
ok thx
rigid tartan
for the record funs btw, giga's arent made with fighting rex's in mind, theyr made to fight the large slow moving herbies which their bleed can destroy i think 😛
(i realise theyr just not in survival yet tho)
shut gale
yeah again my point would be to make the rex a harder kill for gigas. but also harder for the rex to hunt gigas
rigid tartan
i think gigas will be a good food source for rex's when/if they add the larger herbies or just chase them off their kill
like i said, rex's are the brawl apex's meaning they should be able to fight other apex's fairly easily
shut gale
yeah i agree. just don't agree with the "running them down" method that is in place right now
rigid tartan
u mean gigas running rex's down?
shut gale
no the other way
rigid tartan
i dunno i didnt think a rex could run down a giga
rigid tartan
more stam?
shut gale
doesn't mean they're slower in 30 secs of distance..
rigid tartan
cos a rex runs out of stam after like 20meters.. if you're closer than that to rex its kinda your fault anyway
rigid tartan
lol yeah i know but what i mean is whats the giga's stam like compared
can you run for longer yes?
shut gale
yeah
rigid tartan
ok good its fine then imo
shut gale
🤷
rigid tartan
every dino has a "safe" distance to be away from it
giga's just need to know theirs from a rex 😛
shut gale
hm that kind comes in on my 2nd problem... you can't hunt somethign thats stronger and faster....
without the amazing spam left click tatics
rigid tartan
yes a bleeder. of LARGE herbies. a smart rex isnt going play to your bleed tactic
he will stand and wait for u to come in to bite you, break your leg and kill you
he has the fight advantage. thats the way its intended
shut gale
ah i can't argue about this anymore..
rigid tartan
larger dino's not larger carnivs
shut gale
we just have different opinions on how they should play
lilac swallow
Giga is basically the camara slayer
rigid tartan
^^^^^^
a rex cant break a leg of the giant herbies so he will probably lose an engagement with them... however a giga can easily bleed one out
this is where giga is intended to shine
not fighting rex's
shut gale
i see your point but its something that could be added imo and would only make the game better
rigid tartan
nah i dont think giga should be anywhere on parr with rex.
burnt lodge
What
lilac swallow
Rex Will most likely die before the camara in a fight but giga can bite 2 times avoid tail attacks and then make cama dobt rest
shut gale
well for a brawler . when it sees 2 gigas it just dies... seems like a meh brawler...
rigid tartan
^
woops
2on1 is unfavorable for ANY animal ever. even humans
not much u can do about it
shut gale
specialy the no counter play part..
rigid tartan
thats just the way it is
shut gale
it would only make the game better imo 🤷
most fun i ever had in this game
hunting rexes as a 350 bite force 35 bleed giga
it was shitty... true. but it was the most fun
rigid tartan
i would be happy with 500bf 50bleed giga. but most people dont know giga's intended purpose and think I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL ANY OTHER DINO IM AN APEX hurr
but as it is right now both are fine w.e
shut gale
yeah 500-550 is what i would give it
rigid tartan
indeed.
shut gale
but i would also take the rex speed away so 🤷
rigid tartan
naah he needs his speed direly. things see him way too easy lol
regal pecan
still talking about this? 
rigid tartan
creeping up on any1 is nearly impossible specially with gamma boosters
burnt lodge
That's a game issue not dino then
shut gale
^