Then that allo I fought as a cerato the other day was experienced lmao cuz it WRECKED me in only a couple to few bites
#general-feedback-discussion
south flower
white torrent
Cerato is more nimble, it’s faster
jovial arch
yeah but cerato doesn't oneshot them
white torrent
That’s why you don’t let it bite you lmao
south flower
Well you don’t always start out with the upper hand
jovial arch
p sure cerato and allo have the same alt turn speed
south flower
Didn’t help that I was cornered by a near 10 member Utah pack at the moment
white torrent
The bets turn in the game
jovial arch
oh
white torrent
And even then
jovial arch
you play alt turn?
white torrent
It’s like dying in water to me, it’s dumb
white torrent
Is was in a server with a few and they kept trying to get me
south flower
I play on alt turn servers sometimes, irritating sometimes but it happens less than you’d think, or at least in my case
jovial arch
and allos are unkillable
white torrent
Very irritating
jovial arch
well, im talking about alt turn
i guess that's a big clarification that was needed that wasn't made
white torrent
Unfortunately for now ass riding Is the best way to secure a meal
jovial arch
yeah on no alt turn allos are pretty easy
white torrent
Until latching is a thing
south flower
Yeah
jovial arch
they're kitted to hunt, not fight things their size
south flower
I think it’ll be a while before latching is released.
white torrent
Wanna hear??
Probably
But
If it comes
I have some ideas I plan to throw out
Mainly using the allo as the example
As a grappler with them big, meaty, claws
south flower
May wanna put those ideas in the suggestions chat so that we’re staying on course in this chat lmao
white torrent
This is a suggestion discussion
south flower
But have you suggested your idea recently?
south flower
Ah
white torrent
Here or in suggestions? Cuz I don’t wanna type out a super long thing right now 😂 and unless you do that it’ll never get looked at
white torrent
Ah fek
south flower
Mhm
white torrent
Hm?
misty island
I missed the ask the dev section, did anyone said anything about fish being implemented in the game ??????
wraith trout
Fish will be implemented in the game, if that's what you are asking
hasty parcel
there was no reason to ask that when we've long known they'll be implemented
besides, it was about playable fliers this time
gusty gyro
@misty island I’m pretty damn sure people have been asking over & over about the fish being implemented ‘n stuff. But now people have been asking about the new pterasaur coming
misty island
@hasty parcel Ya I know it’s about fliers, what do you think their base diet would be realistically? Like in ark X-ing all the way through lv5 rexes?
And I was thinking if devs are gonna put fishes in when they put fliers in, that’s what I really wanted to ask
wraith trout
@barren zephyr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0XTzZLZfA
misty island
@barren zephyr did you know that the tarbo means special tyrant in chinese I got so confused when I saw that name then I read it out and it made sense lol
hasty parcel
tawbahsauwus
gusty gyro
I swear if I see one more tarbosaurus suggestion, I will go insane
nocturne skiff
@feral turret I don’t think the giga outtrots a Rex
barren zephyr
So @quick orbit, You think it is balanced for Para to threeshot Allos with it's headbutt alright yeah sure see why not
spiral pond
tbh it needs to buff
but not to that extent
make it stronger, like 3 kicks for 1 allo, but have it have a weaker headbutt
so it isnt slower maia that cant even fight mid tiers
im not sure but i think dibble needs a little speed buff to escape a giga at least
barren zephyr
Yes! Buff my Dibbles <3
quick orbit
the Para's kick is so slow
when you find a allo pack you know you'll die
but you was able to fight back
now you cant run from carno, and cant fight too because your b. regen
spiral pond
but your bleed res is good
Para should honestly die to an allo pack
not to 1 or 2 allos
civic sky
I killed paras just fine before the nerf, people just needed to ambush. That’s why there’s an ambush mechanic. But since many seem to have struggled against them I guess the nerf was earned....even though I had no trouble.
Yes, this was as an allo
spiral pond
the thing is para pre nerf could run down dilos, could it now ? No.
but again i dont think para should 2 shot allo with kick, instead 3 shot
normal fern
Except Allo wasn't the only thing fucked by para, the nerf was justified
civic sky
Don’t get me wrong I too dont want para to be that powerful but on the other hand I had no problem with it is all I’m saying
civic sky
I guess I never got caught by them because they never saw me, until it was too late of course. But, if most in the community wanted to nerf them then I guess it’s justified.
civic sky
Yeah, I can say it got nerfed more then needed
But that’s what usually happens I’ve come to notice, far as “strong herb nerfs” go.
spiral pond
add momentum, make it have stronger kick, keep or lower the headbutt dmg
and it could work
wintry heron
Para, Diablo, Trike and Packy are the worst dinos in game now
they can't fight back predators
if a solo para find an allo or cerato
he just dies
if a diablo finds an Apex, he can't run
packy's jump is terrible
quick orbit
@spiral pond cant rest if you are being attacked, and there is no chance of escaping because the speed difference is minimal bettin allo and para, the para will die
misty island
But isn’t herbivores meant to be played in packs?
A small pack at the very least???
spiral pond
dont even use that argument
how will you find a herd when no one wants to play said dino ?
misty island
Well buddy I know you don’t always get to play in a herd, but it is meant to. If just because the game doesn’t promote herbivores enough and you don’t get chances to team up doesn’t mean the characters itself is shit. It’s just requires more team coordination that the game doesn’t encourage enough. That’s all.
But what I am trying to say is you should ask for buffing or nerfing because it’s not about that it’s about better suggestions that promotes and reward a certain play style
@spiral pond Check out my nesting suggestion and do you think it would help getting more people to play herbivores???
@muted sand but then I will only be able to play in night time.........I am in Asian time zone
echo bridge
Not if you arent a dilo
pine shore
How about no @muted sand
echo bridge
And you are practically blind the whole way growing
pine shore
Do you think people that work until the late evening want to play in the dark all the tiem
echo bridge
No irl day and night cycle
echo bridge
I wouldn't be against making days and nights longer, but not irl
misty island
Well it’s good now how it is.....
pine shore
If you're working until 8PM for example and you want toe njoy a game and you have to play in the dark all the time I doubt there will be many people sticking to this
echo bridge
Not 3 hours, more like 1
echo bridge
But it fine now and shouldn't be of concern
misty island
And three one day?
pine shore
I agree, hunting at night is great, but not with the abuse of Gamma and ReShade that is currently goign on
The night time is nothing but unfair at this point
some people have Gamma, some don't
some see better, some don't
muted sand
That's true to
echo bridge
Night time is just unfun right now
pine shore
before suggesting longer nights I think the nights itself should be fixed so ReShade and Gamma can't be used
muted sand
If gamma and shade was fixed
pine shore
then we can go into longer nights
echo bridge
Basically can be ignored through gamma cranking
misty island
I heard lots about reshade
echo bridge
And if you dont, nightime just pure annoyance if you arent a dilo
misty island
I looked at it
And tbh I am really confused
So they turn gamma up at night and turn it down in day time???
Is that what they are doing ??
echo bridge
Yeah turn up screen brightness so they can see
echo bridge
A hardware thing the game has no control over
muted sand
If you have a 4k monitor you don't even need to gamma
misty island
Well you can actually
muted sand
Or night vision
echo bridge
But forcing NV would fix gamma abuse tho, ive seen it suggested before
misty island
Add solid blocks
echo bridge
But it doesnt work for reshade
misty island
For each camera
pine shore
ReShade is a different thing
misty island
at night
echo bridge
ReShade is a whole nother ball game
Because even with forced NV, theres a setting called "Adaptive Fog" that just pierces straight through the NV fog
echo bridge
Hopefully they can modify their cheat detection software to not allow people with ReShade to play on any sever
Because for an external program, im surprised they just didnt put it on a checker list
misty island
Reshade is hard to detect tho.... cus it’s a front end thing
And it doesn’t give information to the server I think
echo bridge
But I digress, IRL day and night times for the isle is bad, next suggestion
misty island
I am no expert but I think it works that way
shell willow
Ok but people really need to stop asking for tarbosaurus, it’s asking for a clone of the rex which would take a lot of unnecessary time. Just get a rex and skin it green. Use your imagination.
I dunno.
shell willow
Anyone can
shell willow
If people want to play tarbo so much, play a rex. They’re relatives, right? It’s almost the same gameplay.
shell willow
Same lol
south flower
It wouldn’t be fair to some people if the time of day in-game matched the IRL time of day. Sometimes they may not get to play during some times in the day - some people have busy lives and can’t get on the game until a certain time - and they won’t be able to experience the game during both times of the day. It would be like if I worked all day and couldn’t come home until late evening - according to your suggestion, I would only ever get to play when it’s night in-game, which can be boring and not dynamic, nor interesting. Or vise versa for working at night. Plus, there are people that would not like to either stay up all night - hours on end - or log off and wait until they might have time the next day or so to play during the day in-game. I see that suggestion as a little unnecessary.
And don’t even get me started on the time zones! Some people, while in the same server, may be some hours apart IRL, and I don’t see how the suggestions would work if one person sees the game as morning, and then someone else on the same server sees it as night still.
versed blaze
^^^^^^^^^^^^^That
native nebula
@delicate atlas changing dinosaur sizes is not a simple stat adjustment and throws a lot of things into chaos whenever we do it.
lyric kernel
it would throw off balance completely
compact matrix
For example, speed changes proportionately with model sizes
lyric kernel
or you have to redo the calculation of dmg
compact matrix
Camarasaurus is an animal widely cited for needing a size buff
but lets see how speed scales with that value:
atm camarasaurus sprint moves around 21 kph
but if he were buffed from around 12 meters now (iirc) to 15 meters, his speed would be increased by 25%
so he would be over 26 kph, which is faster than trike.
delicate atlas
I understand that, it was merely a suggestion to take in too consideration in the future to make the game even more realistic and fun.
hasty parcel
too be honest, more realistic, yes. But fun, not necessarily.
compact matrix
Other values may also need to be changed with size buffed animals
or size nerfed proper
for example, camera position which may have been exceptionall generous on an animal when it was smaller may be really strong on an animal which is larger
Allosaurus v2 was a good example of this: the animal received a large size buff at that time and had a really generous camera
delicate atlas
I mean accurate models and stats is atleast somehing i consider as a + cause it makes the game even more authentic. I understand that it’s complicated and that some things needs to be re done in order to change it but this was just a personal opinion on what can be done to evolve the game even further.
compact matrix
That's fine, but I think dinosauriac was trying to get the point across was that it wasn't as easy as it looks.
I think you've gotten the idea though
next nexus
barren zephyr
@delicate atlas If you want to talk about suggestions do so in here.
jolly willow
i still dont like the thought of unlockable apexes
A. too much time to unlock for something that takes long to grow and then you die as a sub/juvie anyways
B. people will ALWAYS be doing whatever is needed to unlock it and will get annoyed that they have to do it everytime
C. this honestly wouldnt solve anything it'd' just make people even more reluctant to actually play the game and keep their le epic 6 hours
just keep hunting ai amirite
viral creek
I'm not huge for unlockable apexes either, but apexes are far too strong and too easy to grow at the moment. And they're quite literally eating the servers.
jolly willow
theres gotta be another way lol
viral creek
Maybe
But i'm not very good at thinking of said ideas.
But at the moment, every time I see an apex I lose brain cells lol
So uh
Yeah
echo bridge
Since you cited affinity in your suggestion, what if a task affinity provides to juvie and sub apexes forces them to either hunt players or move a different location?
Make the growing life actually more difficult though apex baby affinity and it should somewhat fix overpopulation
A current solution would just be to tone down the food oros and tacos give
misty island
doesnt it already reduced food for adult and subs? the fact you cant eat 40% of the food an ava provides?
aka the gore
barren zephyr
@viral creek the affinity system should fix the overpopulation of Apex i suppose...if it forces them to move it will be extremely hard to grow one
misty island
i think i missed out on the affinity system, can anyone point out where was it mentioned???
normal fern
I think in general rex should always have more health than weight.
"Tanky slow ambush pred but if I catch you and you aren't a trike you lose"
All I'm saying is maybe play around with the specifics but i agree that apexes are too good
@echo bridge
jovial arch
@weak herald this is done so that herbis can’t hunt
If they could sniff while walking some herbis would be killing machines
weak herald
most of herbis have to run for most of their lives... on top of that, their food is not very easy to find unless you know the spawns
jovial arch
That’s not an argument for sniffing while trotting
It saves you, what, 10 seconds?
15 seconds?
In terms of starvation it’s not going to change much
And plus
If something like Maia could sniff while trotting
They’d just hunt down and kill dilos and Utahs all day
Maia’s already try to pull this shit
weak herald
isnt 10- 15 secs a lot when you're trying to survive?
jovial arch
Uh
jovial arch
Not considering it takes you like 30 minutes to starve
If you are continuously looking for food
You really shouldn’t have too many problems unless you’re playing trike and get really unlucky
If you sit there and wait till 25% hunger then you can’t find food and you starve, well, you’ve dug your grave
glossy thicket
Hello people i have 1 question cause im new ,How can i join on a server with my friend withoute being so far to each other ?is there anything like teleport or something idk
misty island
@glossy thicket well you cant tp
but you can invite your friend into your group if you are the same species and find your way to meet him
misty island
and besides, there are only like 5~6 spawn points that i notice
and 4 of which is pratically next to eachother
glossy thicket
Okay thanks mate cheers
jovial arch
Honestly you can cross like a solid 50% of the map on most Dinos in like 30 min, and I’m p sure all adult herbis have at least 30 min of hunger if not more, if you’re continuously searching for food you should be able to find something in that time. Moreover, if you know where herbi food cluster spawns, you can just go there. There’s a spot in p much every part of the map
jovial arch
I actually do think that herbi food needs a better spread and that ai is simply too common
misty island
@glossy thicket heres a map for you
weak herald
@jovial arch same applies to carnivores. If you know where herb food spawns, you pretty much camp the area and weaker herbis (70% of them) have nothing to do
jovial arch
Yes
I agree
But that’s a separate issue
Herbi food should be far more spread across the map than it is right now
weak herald
besides that, i get your point, herb dicks would kill smaller carnivores but that will happen no matter what if they are on sight. Its actually a lot less rewarding for them to chase and kill carnivores than all the way around, but that is already happening. So i dont really get why herbs cant smell while walking. It would make their subsistence much easier
jovial arch
Well wait
Right now if a Dilo wants to escape a Maia at least it has a chance by running into some bushes
If Maia can scent it just tracks the Dilo thru the bushes then kills it
weak herald
dilos are weak by themselves, i dont think thats an issue connected to herbivores being able to smell
jovial arch
Yeah but you can throw this same argument out for any juvie with herbis
weak herald
if i was a herb in that case, i would just sniff to make sure he is not going around e.g. my kids, and just went straight forward, there are other issues that matter more
echo bridge
Well the issue specifically come from maia agaisnt dilo because maia laughs at bleed
jovial arch
Maybe you’re a good person
A lot of herbis out there aren’t
They’ll hunt down the dilos and Utahs for fun
echo bridge
And dilos turn is worse
jovial arch
And giving them scent while trotting enables them
echo bridge
Instead of bloodhound dibbles, you'll get bloodhound mais
jovial arch
10-15 seconds isn’t really important when you’re looking for food
But when it comes to escape, it’s literally life and death
weak herald
if you dont see food in the first sniff then it is
jovial arch
Well again
Depends how hungry you are
If you prioritize food for the full duration of your hunger
You’ll find food
You’re potentially breaking the game for convenience
wintry cipher
@weak herald it's because they hunted down carnis
barren zephyr
that last Apex balance suggestion is to say the least purely ridiculous
its like wanting a mid tier dino to compete solo against an Apex predator
im against the plague of Apex, but damn, that suggestion was irrational...the sheep doesnt hunt and kill the wolf
normal fern
Yep
brisk mesa
While the Lion efinetly can kill a Hyena, it doesnt take on 4 and walk out unscathed.
That's the difference here.
normal fern
If you get killed 1v1 by a mid tier with those stats it just means you suck ass
normal fern
Never know, the guy seemed to think that suggestion was akin to us wanting allos to hunt gigas
brisk mesa
No, Macho.
The idea is because Apexes are 4x the power and 4x the tankiness, so if you wanted to balance that, you have 3 options
barren zephyr
that last suggestion was embarrassing...it just didnt make sense at all, but i respect the dude, he wants to get rid of the plague, but we are talking of dinos that dominate the food chain at the time, they were massive and asking to put the stats at the same level as an mid tier...my jesus
brisk mesa
All the dinosaurs in The Isle were apexes
normal fern
And here comes the doubledown
normal fern
Did Utah coexist with Acro or was that deinonychus?
brisk mesa
Deinonychus
Utah was the largest predator in it's habitat.
Sucho was also the largest predator in its habitat, when it lived.
Carnotaurus, again, also largest predator.
Dilo as well.
barren zephyr
Heres my thoughts..Rex, Giga and Trike at the moment are in a good spot...just limit the Rex and Giga packs down to 2 and rebalance that hunger, cause right now being an apex is a walk in the park, and the number of players using Apex will decrease significantly.
oblique sluice
Wasn't allo the apex in north america?
brisk mesa
Torvosaurus.
oblique sluice
i think that was in europe
oblique sluice
poor boi
brisk mesa
It's not the number of apexes Macho
It's that for twice the time, you get an exponential boost in power
Here are all the poisons to pick from:
barren zephyr
we arent talking about real life...we are talking about apex in the game...at the moment Rex, Giga and Trike are the Apex...later we will have Spino and Deinosuchus too...but right now those are the only ones
brisk mesa
The argument they are apex is moot, is what im saying
They are the largest predators, yes
But no animal is an untouchable mountain of flesh.
barren zephyr
T Rex and Giganosauros didnt add any natural predators on they re time...
brisk mesa
Neither did any of the above
lmao
Here are your poisons to deal with how apexes, currently are 4x the power of mid tiers for 2x the time
- double the raw stats, so damage, bleed & HP, of all Mid tiers, and +50% to all small tiers
- double the time to get a 1.0 apex, so instead of 6hrs, it's 12hrs
- Halve the stats of apexes so they are only 2x the power & durability of mid tiers, so you dont need to change the times
Which is the most appealing?
Cuz he picked option 3.
barren zephyr
we are talking about the game..im no scientist or palaeontologist....what? XD
nope
i cant agree
12h?
dude
it takes 7h now to grow one
ppl have lives
outside of this game
barren zephyr
if you raise the cap for 12h per Apex no one will play them and plobably loads of ppl will quit the game
brisk mesa
Answer the question, those are the 3 possible fixes for the power gap.
You say increasing time is a no-show
OK.
So do you double mid tier stats and + 50 % small tier
wheat hemlock
12h sounds much better to be honest, nobody is forcing you to go through an entire apex growth in one day, play juvie for 2 days, sub for 2 days and then earn your Adult on the 5th day.. That's my opinion
brisk mesa
Or do you halve apex?
barren zephyr
raise the cap to 12h isnt even a possibility...i already gave my opinion regarding the apex problem...raise the hunger so that they always need to hunt and fear the starvation and reduce the pack limit to 2..problem solved
stuck bison
I sorta wish it was like leveling a human character. as you level you 'grow', if you die you lose experience but not full growth.
brisk mesa
That's not a solution, Macho.
That does not alleviate the power gap.
There are 3 fixes to the power gap.
Pick 1.
mental sleet
but what is lowering the power gap going to accomplish, wattington?
barren zephyr
what do you want? a raptor to solo a rex? common dude be serious xD
brisk mesa
No?
wheat hemlock
Growing an apex 12 hr is more fun than once you get to that apex in less time, you are forced to hunt hunt hunt 24*7, so i dont agree Macho
weak herald
in reality, dinosaurs wouldnt move that way either, nor 20 raptors could take on a trex
brisk mesa
Or comatose
weak herald
he should have stomp damage and be able to bite on his sides
maybe a buff to lower tiers wouldnt be such a bad idea
brisk mesa
So you'd pick option 1), Morsi?
weak herald
because actually 5 allos or ceras should have a chance on a full grown
jovial arch
actually, watt
i find that argument flawed
that apexes are more than double mid tiers
weak herald
i would lower early stages of carnivorous apexes A LOT
brisk mesa
They are 4x mid tiers.
stuck bison
Honestly I think the argument holds no real revelevance
brisk mesa
Currently.
jovial arch
if you look at it from a growth perspective, 3 dilos = 2 allos = 1 rex
stuck bison
Because combat is being reworked, and there will be an affinity system coming.
No telling how it's going to be balanced after that
jovial arch
3 dilos fucks 1 rex, 2 allos fucks 3 dilos, and 1 rex fucks 2 allos
brisk mesa
They have double the base HP and weight, which means 1/4 of the damage taken from mid tiers
weak herald
3 dilos have no chance on a rex because they get one shot
weak herald
the formula is not that simple
brisk mesa
And have double the base damage and weight, which means 4x damage dealt to mid tiers
barren zephyr
let Apex be Apex..you cant hunt a T Rex with a sheep
brisk mesa
(Attacker weight / Victim weight) X Base damage = Damage dealt
barren zephyr
10 dilos
viral creek
That is one of the few mid/low teirs that can murder apex
brisk mesa
Being apex should not make you immortal.
weak herald
of course not
jovial arch
the real issue with circular balance right now is that apexes have so much food they multiply
weak herald
but something small predators shouldn't even think about
jovial arch
and honestly apex units over 1 are kinda op
weak herald
yes, but there is no reason to play a herbi right now
jovial arch
you really shouldn't be able to touch apexes once they reach units of 2
weak herald
and server caps don't give enough variety
barren zephyr
@brisk mesa ive killed T Rex player with a gang of raptors and dilos and soloed one with a Giga and a Trike in all my experience playing this game...its actually not a hard mission
jovial arch
if apexes were mostly solo we wouldn't have this issue, cause balance is circular
brisk mesa
Not what I'm saying.
jovial arch
small tiers<mid tiers<apexes<small tiers
weak herald
but that would ruin the game for apexes about nesting and having friends to play with
😐
jovial arch
it works when there isn't food literally everywhere
brisk mesa
First and foremost, you can kill an apex as a pack of small tiers,
Obviously
I've done it plenty.
However.
You spend 6hrs growing
barren zephyr
by sacrificing a few but yes you can kill them
brisk mesa
And are rewarded with something stronger than 4 mid tiers
brisk mesa
Mid tiers take 3 hours.
barren zephyr
but you cant really face 5 Rex with a pack of Raptors, you just risk losing the group
barren zephyr
the power gap is more than normal and natural
jovial arch
im mean, i think the powergap is fine, the problem is when apexes are easy
if apexes aren't at least 4 times more difficult than mid tiers
yeah you got a problem
jovial arch
under the current system, nerfing the apexes would make sense
normal fern
I would be fine if apexes were only 3X as powerful if they were actually hard
brisk mesa
ATM the game i trivially easy to reach adult
barren zephyr
thats why i said..raise the hunger and limit packs to 2 = less Rex players = harder to play with and more risky cause you might find more Rex or other Apex that wants food
brisk mesa
Again, that does not remedy a 4x difference
You'd need absurd hunger needs, over the whole life cycle
mental sleet
changing the rules is not a valid answer to a game problem.
barren zephyr
the rules are already there, just need to be tweaked lol
weak herald
we wouldnt have this much trouble if small carnivores knew what fights to pick and which not
weak herald
but then again, being something else than an apex is not that rewarding atbm
brisk mesa
Morsi, you are ignoring what we are actually discussing
weak herald
maybe, im playing league right now lol all i read was power gap and balance
mental sleet
Also wattington.
You could try to make apex harder rather than match the power level.
brisk mesa
Unfortunately David, while that is an option, the game has gotten easier and easier
over the last several patches
mental sleet
That can be solved with relative ease.
barren zephyr
you guys should make an appeal to the devs to make Rex and Giga sheeps xD
normal fern
Dondi's losing his touch, used to tell whiny babies who suck to fuck off Xd
brisk mesa
XD
barren zephyr
Dondi didnt do that....
barren zephyr
what demands btw?
normal fern
I miss that dondi, made balance better
brisk mesa
That starvation was too frequent, that staying fed as a pack was too hard.
And boom.
Streamers got what they wanted
jovial arch
now the isle is covered in a solid layer of apexes
normal fern
Am I a bad person for wanting dondi to be a cunt so the game is good Lol
barren zephyr
i played Rex before the hunger patch...never died from starvation once....
mental sleet
I still don't think it was purposeful, but the best solution is indeed tied to the AI.
barren zephyr
what streamers??? basically no one popular streams the Isle..actually isle is unpopular on Twitch
grave bough
spiral pond
The isle surpassed fortnite a few times
south flower
Well, guess you can’t please everyone, though. There’s always gonna be the few that are never happy with what they are given. 🤷♀️
barren zephyr
and i dont remember any streamer asking for changes to hunger..thats a false argument and you accusing Dondi of give in to cry babies which as far has i know he never did...
south flower
I think this conversation went off topic from the suggestions discussions.
barren zephyr
dude...im gonna ignore what you just said..saying that Isle add more views at one point than fortnite xD common dude dont troll me xD
barren zephyr
not even when those famous streamer played the game
spiral pond
this one streamer had over 30 000 people watching
spiral pond
i think soda did ?
barren zephyr
common guys...Fartnite has everyday 200k views xD
jovial arch
i can't remember
barren zephyr
Isle cant even reach 500 sometimes xD
compact matrix
I actually like apexes being easier but they should have recieved some form of nerf to compensate
So many people used to pick rex under the concept he was easy to play
because it's a famous animal
honest lava
The most views on twitch the Isle had was about 49k.
tame bane
Wouldn't doubt if it passed Overwatch or something since that's been losing views. I have my suspicions about Fortnite though.
Been quietly following the topic about increasing the time it takes to grow an apex and I think I like that option best. I'm not sure 12 hours is the right amount, but think increasing it in general by a couple hours at minimum is a decent idea.
south flower
Wasn’t the tainted water something like sulphur or salt water?
I remember it briefly but it’s been forever
storm thicket
I don't remember exactly, I remember seeing an image of ribs in red water surrounded by flies, but again, it may have been a mod, but sulfer water would be a good addition too 🤔 maybe sitting in it would boost healing somewhat since sulfur baths have some real life health benefits lol
*sulfur
south flower
But drinking it could cause health problems, couldn’t it?
storm thicket
Yes, I forgot to say that as well lol good for sits, but not good for drinks
south flower
XD
storm thicket
I wonder if sulfur poisoning is a thing? I'm gonna look that up. I know it can make you sick if you drink it but nothing fatal from what I've seen
Yeah, I think it might just make you sick, so maybe it would cause dinos to "lose" food and water as the result of throwing up?
Idk, I'm not sure how "realistic" the devs are going for
south flower
Only time will tell!
blazing charm
Not sure if this is the place to ask, or if it's appropriate because of how late it is. But to anyone who read that Albertosaurus document I posted a few days ago, what are your thoughts on the stats offered? Me and a few others are on the fence of changing the stats a bit.
barren zephyr
isnt that a sandbox dino?
mental sleet
macho, go to suggestions and go find jaffad's albertosaurus document.
blazing charm
I'll just link it to him for convience.
Basically I got some criticisms about it's stats, wanna try and address them.
normal fern
With the new bleed changes unless Alberto has a very low bite speed it woulf almost certainly slaughter allos
Perhaps instead of being outright faster than allo it could be slighter slower with a higher duration and multiplier?
Perhaps make its maximum speed faster to complement the whole get as many hits in as quickly as possible.
Basically Zerg rush the target and just bite till it's dead.
If something like a diablo sees you too quickly you may as well move away
south flower
I don’t play the alberto often, so I couldn’t tell ya what would be best. But I would like to see a rehaul to the creature as for appearances if anything.
jovial arch
i mean
gonna be frank
your current alberto stats are almost the exact same as sub rex rn
it seems kinda pointless
plus, it would trash allo
faster speed +higher bite force
it's the same problem you have with pachy/dilo
hasty parcel
should probs be lighter than Allo while still having the high bite force
normal fern
That's just cerato
jovial arch
well, it's a lot closer to sub rex
hasty parcel
I mean, Cerato would still be faster
just replace sub rex with alberto
Too be honest, with the fractured bone mechanic it could be unique from sub rex while still having similar stats
blazing charm
Huh, didn't realise this many people had issues with it. Alright, we'll edit the stats.
mystic kestrel
Why you guys want alberto so much
jovial arch
it's fun
steady cosmos
alberto isnt allo
jovial arch
for some people
steady cosmos
so it isnt ugly
unborn quail
To be fair, using life stages arent a valid excuse, if this was the case then whats the point in allo if sub giga exists
steady cosmos
I find alberto will be a good dino for people who like sub rex
mystic kestrel
devs already have an idea what kind of dino roster we gonna have before adding humans
unborn quail
Doesn't stop people from suggesting it
mystic kestrel
I guess
jovial arch
allo stats = / = sub giga stats
unborn quail
Not my point three
I'm saying that using the excuse that sub adults invalidate the addition of a new creature is not valid
Its a life stage.
jovial arch
i mean
forget life stage
if something's stats p much = something else's stats at any point
hasty parcel
I mean, maybe the suggestions will be used for mods someday
jovial arch
one of those things is kinda invalid
unborn quail
Then by that logic sub rex invalidates allos existence
Same mass
More health and damage
Faster speed
jovial arch
different, bleed, different ambush mult, different hunger, different agility
barren zephyr
Slightly faster bite speed as well
jovial arch
flat damage vs bleed is pretty big
unborn quail
Sure Alberto and sub rex might be similar but you can make them fundamentally different
jovial arch
and they're approximately the same speed
yes
i agree
you can
which is why i was criticizing the suggestion
unborn quail
We're working on doing so as it is anyways
The idea already exists to differentiate them anyways
And thats the fact Alberto is meant to be a glass cannon crusher
unborn quail
Sort of
unborn quail
Depending on how we all agree on some changes i tossed to Jaffad, it will be a tad more adjusted for it
In my opinion that is
mystic kestrel
like what
jovial arch
well
mystic kestrel
stop generalizing
hasty parcel
more stuff to play is cool
jovial arch
the niche of a flat damage ambush pred isn't filled
alberto is probably the top candidate
hasty parcel
like, wouldn't you like to see more variety?
unborn quail
One thing you need to realize is that these suggestions are purely based on post 1.0 isle
jovial arch
^
unborn quail
As in after the game is close to done
jovial arch
that too
mystic kestrel
Is that mentioned in the document
barren zephyr
we dont need Albertosauros, what we need is different playstyles in this game...Albertosauros is not different from what we have
hasty parcel
Albertosaurus can be made to be different
unborn quail
^
barren zephyr
@hasty parcel dunno how...
hasty parcel
That would give it a different playstyle
barren zephyr
Should be a give if it's post 1.0 or not. It's not demanding it be added because 'X reason' in the document
unborn quail
Its not the easiest thing, and some people will just refuse to believe it, I did at once
But it can be different
barren zephyr
i wouldnt mind having another Allo or wtv but we dont need that...we need flyers, humans and aquatic dinos...
jovial arch
it's all about how you handle stats and mechanics
barren zephyr
thats a big one..
unborn quail
Meh, Alberto provides more opportunities then another big bruiser mid tier
In my opinion that is
hasty parcel
I still like the way Jaffad suggested the way Torvo could be a counterpart to Allo
unborn quail
One of the biggest critiques I've had doing these documents in the first place is the lack in proper combat, as its hard to really get the idea out
But you make do
And what bruce said
barren zephyr
^ With dev kit it'd be a simplier presentation
But without it, it's a vague guessing game
The most you can do is look at the other dinosaurs to get a better idea
north vector
@south flower spino is getting a remodel. Thats confirmed. What isnt confirmed is a quadruped stance and its likely it wont receive one as it is quite inaccurate, spino would literally shatter its wrists if it tried. On top of this spino is confirmed to not be solely aquatic and will primarily be a terrestrial predator, able to hold its own against a rex.
south flower
How interesting! While I still like the idea of a semi-aquatic Spino, I am personally glad it may not be modeled as a quadruped, or at least as fo fr not confirmed yet, to my knowledge.
north vector
In a recent ask a dev, it was stated that spino will be able to fish, so i would imagine it will be more of a “best of both worlds” type of deal
south flower
Oh that's right, I forgot that question was asked
white falcon
I would PREFER a quadruped spino. That’s the current scientific consensus (it went from quad to bi to quad, mostly on the grounds that it wouldn’t be able to hold itself up bipedally with it’s leg length and position of its legs)
It’s legs are too short and far back to be bipedal, at least without dragging it’s arms (meant for grasping not walking if bipedal) on the ground
With the way the game is going, it’s semi-accurate. Of course a t. Rex would probably beat a spino in a 1v1 9 times out of 10, but they will have to balance it so the rex isn’t OP and overshadows the other apexes. But, I would like to see realistic proportions, along with a few other things (feathers, etc) here and there
shell willow
I feel like quad spino would work better. They spent the majority of their lives in the water anyway so I don’t see any reasoning against it
oak shale
yes kinja make them see the light
show them that Albertosaurus is worthy
I want me some glass cannon crusher
south flower
Spinosaurus spent most of its life in water?
shell willow
It was semi aquatic
oak shale
And I do hope eventually some of those documents of yours actually gets used
unborn quail
I'd recommend moving chat about Quad spino and what not into #paleotalk
south flower
But are we not discussing the ins and outs of quad versus bipedal Spino from suggestions? (I don't mean for it to sound like an attitude) I just feel that for in game, it can be more both, rather than dominantly a quadruped. According to the skeletons I have seen, the creature would have made for more of a bipedal, unless the skeletons were assorted improperly. It would I guess depend on the model they choose for a new spino and see what works best for the given model, as well
blazing charm
(Apologies to anyone who's still reading, making some tiny tweaks.)
oak shale
The more the better
wheat hemlock
@blazing charm According to your data, the Alberto would be slightly faster than an Allo, have possibly a better trot speed, and clearly enough stamina to run a marathon, whilst being slightly stronger than an Allo (Allo wouldn't utilize bleed because he's slower in every way, maybe even ambush)
All is good but wouldn't it be better if he was around 30kph and rely on his trot, great stamina and ambush speed?
Im not an Allo player, but i can imagine that Alberto players would abuse their strenghs, not only against allos
unborn quail
First things first, While Alberto is in fact Faster, it doesn't have nearly the same amount of stamina or regen to back it up in comparison to Allo
And with the fight being so close, who's faster won't really matter, Both sides will need to get the drop on the other, which is the goal.
(Alberto only has a minute and forty seconds of stamina, While Allo has three minutes and thirty seconds. )
barren zephyr
That and Alberto doesn't have near as much HP in comparison to it's mass
unborn quail
^
severe sequoia
I still think a minute and 40 seconds would serve to see people only playing Albertosaurus
unborn quail
What would you say is a good spot @severe sequoia?
blazing charm
@severe sequoia Stamina has been lowered down to 60 seconds.
blazing charm
@severe sequoia Already has a decent trot speed.
wheat hemlock
Well Nova, in the case of a Rex V Giga that's true, Rex is faster and stronger, but he has stamina for like 30 second sprint, enought for Giga to actually have a gap to escape, Alberto's run was like 1 minute 30 seconds which i find it hard to believe that an Alberto will struggle to close a gap between him and allo in that time
wheat hemlock
Ok good, just trying to disprove your first point =p
unborn quail
Not to mention the fact that the speed difference between the two is not as great, requiring Alberto be even closer in comparison to how Rex and Giga is
wheat hemlock
Well, the difference between Rex and Allo is not that great, yet many times a running Rex can catch up to a running Allo, i personally caught many allos as Rex purelly by running, that's because the chaser only focuses on the target, the escapist (allo) has to look at the direction he is going, terrain and where the chaser is, that moves the camera in angles and slows him down in principle
Rex is slower by 0.2 kph i believe
unborn quail
That's mostly due to Size, The same issue happened back in the day with gigas ambush
It could stay in biting range due to sheer size
wheat hemlock
Size doesn't change the speed at which the dino goes though right?
i closed a 10-15 metre gap on a few allos as a rex, just because they had to focus on multiple things while being chased, i just had to look at the direction their going and hold W
unborn quail
It still allows you to keep up when Speeds are similar enough, Which is what you see with rex and allo. Despite bein g faster, Allo doesn't pull ahead due to rex being so large.
Also need to keep in mind that these suggestions are based around improved combat and locational damage existing
So an Alberto won't be able to sit on an Allos tail and just nip it
wheat hemlock
Well that would change alot i guess
blazing charm
The big yellow text at the begining is there for a reason.
wheat hemlock
I still believe this speed is too quick for Albert =p Obvious quick trot, 1.40 min stamina, and impressive ambush is enough
unborn quail
it's not 1min and 40 seconds anymore
wheat hemlock
What is it now?
unborn quail
A minute
unborn quail
Still gotta remember an Alberto, or anything is going to have to get into the line of fire to properly fight with the new combat
wheat hemlock
Either way, i like the overall stats, i like that he is a clear mid-tier dinosaur, not something that Sees an Allo and thinks 'lunch'
unborn quail
Speed won't be much of a factor at that point
And thanks, the criticism is welcomed
shut gale
Speed should never be faster than the allo doesnt matter by How much, It makes It so allos cant Hunt It in return even a 3-4 pack without loosing atleast 1 allo if the Alberto is a good player.
Its the same thing as the current giga and rex the crusher should not be faster than the bleeder. Its bad design imo.
No offense*
white falcon
@south flower It may have been how they setup the skeleton- yes, it could probably have hopped on 2 legs for a few quick swipes, but otherwise, scientifically (and anatomy wise) it would make MUCH, much more sense for it to be a quadruped, even if it could have gone bipedal in short bursts (pulling a giant fish that I forget how to spell out of the water, etc)
It's mostly the leg length, like I said
Too short for bipedal 24/7
jolly willow
alberto would be a nice midtier addition even tho at first sight it looks like it'd break the midtier balance
they could probably mangle him to fit in and not break the current balance
shut gale
with a new bonebreak system it could be amazing imo
unborn quail
With the stats I put together for it, It fits quite well, balance is actually quite fine for the most part
But it's hard to say without seeing said stats in game
unborn quail
Don't see how
shut gale
cause you can't hunt the alberto as 2 allos and 1 not die
if he's good
its the problem with a very fast burst ambush
you can't hunt it cause if you get close its so damn fast
unborn quail
Gotta remember bleed will hurt the absolute hell out of you when you run, and that's the risk you take
a matchup between the two is supposed to be bloody and risky
shut gale
mhm but still imagine 1 allo goes 1 for a trade. both get bit. thats like 22 bleed on the alberto and what 2000 hp left +/-? and now he has 6 secs on the allos ass of 500 bite damage
the allo will completly get demolished before the other allo can even help
jolly willow
we'll just have to see how and when the devs decide to plop albert boy in
jolly willow
i'm sure itll be blegh at launch and theyll probably adjust/help it out
unborn quail
Alberto wont be albe to nip on its tail
shut gale
it won't let go of the allos ass
jolly willow
what would albertos role be in midtier anyways
unborn quail
Glass cannon crusher
jolly willow
interesting
shut gale
tbh i think the alberto having a new BB system would make it amazing. it could be slower than the allo
but after 1 bite the allo is slowed to the alberto speed
unborn quail
Not with what we're presenting. It's the definition of glass cannon
And has significantly less stamina
Iirc what we are presenting is not the complete same as bb, more so a bone fracture system that slows you down rather than a instant limp
shut gale
mhm that's what i thought about too
crushers bite actually slowing you down with how much they stack
and then you get the limp when its maxed
unborn quail
Mhm, personally, I see no issur with the speed and ambush advantage, its balanced out by the lack in health and stamina alberto has at its disposal, Might be hard to see, but Allo v. Albertonis very much structured on who gets the jump on who, or who has greater numbers
We personally wanted them to be two generalist in a highly competitive relationship.
misty island
@agile whale most chinese/Korean/Japanese players names couldn’t be read in English clients and some if not most of them changed their steam name to 123 when playing ark so it’s really hard to track them
The best way I believe is to get someone who can type chinese
Or have a system to click over players in game I think
rain ivy
Should the theri be able to eat trees and use their claws to grab leaves
jovial moss
I feel like any tall herb should be able to do that
grave bough
@misty island @agile whale
Another thing you can try to do is look up the person in your “recently played with” list on Steam. It might take some digging, but maybe 7/10 times you can find the name of the person you need. Or even type their steam 64ID into a steam profile finder and copy their name from there.
hazy sparrow
Devs have said they have no intention of letting dinos hoard food
agile whale
@grave bough yeah thats doable but it is a lot of hassle which is why I pose this suggestion.
obsidian matrix
posted it in a wrong channel
edgy furnace
Oof
south flower
@hot heath “...the growth pause doesnt effect hatchlings only juvies and up?”
Why should the growth pause affect juvies and older? Why not keeping the pause from affecting all stages of growth?
hot heath
@south flower because the growth pause was added to prevent players from abusing the burrows and laying in them constantly
south flower
I thought that was just a glitch.
south flower
I believe there was a recent patch about fixing growth not occurring once you’ve entered a burrow, so I interpreted it as an accidental glitch.
minor basalt
It was intentional
The bug was after you left the burrow you still didn't grow
Unless you relogged
south flower
Ohhh gotcha gotcha
umbral prairie
@ebon lion that would just get used to feed group members
one member just feeding himself to the others with an alt acc or sth
ebon lion
it's pretty shitty when you have to consider who will break the system more than who want to use it for genuine gameplay :'D
while i see what you mean and while i agree it on its own could get abused i think it's fair enough to consider at the least!
no harm in that
umbral prairie
I mean the way to get back to a group is nesting atm, just respawning close to where you died is very likely to get abused a lot
ebon lion
i'm new to the game so i wouldnt be aware of all of the little things people do to gain an advantage. just thought i'd point out something that personally bugged me. i guess i'll have to look into nesting. thanks!
umbral prairie
It's the same thing with selectable spawn points
I personally think V3 is big enough to get split into spawning sectors (maybe split in three or four parts) which players can choose from and they spawn randomly in that sector without it being too easy to feed people with that method though
tame bane
I think the problem with nesting, at least for me, is the lack of colors and customization that happens. You get what you get, and usually it's default with a couple variations. I'd rather walk and have my preferred colors than the ugly little green default dilo I had when nesting in.
umbral prairie
yeah it would be cool to be able to choose your own colors when being nested, maybe an option to choose from getting a random skin and making your own one?
although I don't see why anyone would pick the random skin
thorny lynx
@lone crypt Sub rex has amazing run turn and alt+turn to compensate for meh trot and walk turn.
blazing charm
People are already putting negative emotes on it within the first minute of me posting it, meaning they probably didn't even read it
feelsbadman
oak shale
Personally I’d like to see your iteration of bary in survival
You, Bruce and nova come up with pretty good ideas for mechanics and such
south flower
^
torn thistle
Aw. I kinda liked the foraging idea of the last one, digging up lil' lungfish and burrows.
hasty parcel
too be honest, I would love to be able to play as a Baryonyx in Survival
turbid idol
Anyone able to help me with connecting to a server issue?
torn thistle
#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 maybe a better place for that, Deathtroy
blazing charm
@torn thistle I felt it wasn't engaging enough. It just felt like a cheap way of getting food.
Also Zenith, what's your doc?
torn thistle
fair enough
turbid idol
kk
barren zephyr
the one with the tired sucho
blazing charm
Reading now.
blazing charm
Okay, I'm gonna be honest. I'm not 100% what it is the document is supposed to be suggesting. I get that it's about AI interactions but the descriptions you gave for each are pretty vague.
barren zephyr
yeah mostly ai interaction and spawning while using most of the isle's assets
but yeah at some poin my brain went
blazing charm
I'd reccomend having each creature go over certain topics in an ordered format. That is if you're willing to go over it again.
barren zephyr
i might revisit it, if the content is actually helpfull otherwise i would keep it as a guide line for future documents
Thinking about doing one about the playable roaster
Eventualy
blazing charm
Up to you.
barren zephyr
Any guidelines
barren zephyr
yeah
blazing charm
Presentation is key, try and use some diagrams/images, it helps to have people to show the doc to and get feedback on. And be prepared to make lots of revamps and edits.
I've had to redo the Bary doc five times now, and I wouldn't be surprised if I end up doing it five times more.
lone crypt
hyes
lone crypt
allo gets tanked easily by anything larger than it even by the slightest
jovial arch
what is it you want allo to do?
lone crypt
require effort and be rewarding, like rex
while also filling in a niche that hasnt been filled yet
jovial arch
allo is hands down the best dino in the game for collectively hunting and fighting small tiers
lone crypt
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa forget it, nevermind, these discussions drive me up the wall
what about a simple health buff? not by much, but enough so its no longer so fragile to anything larger than it by the slightest
lone crypt
allo gets fucked by anything that isnt the exact same size or larger
jovial arch
i feel like the real problem with allo is that rex is too fast
allo literally just gets invalidated
shut gale
^
lone crypt
rex has garbage stam, its not the problem
shut gale
if you have low stam and high speed / high dps you can't be hunted
lone crypt
@mystic kestrel thanks for clarifying that grim's experience dicates ALL experience
jovial arch
sure, allo is playable
jovial arch
yes
mystic kestrel
its just bleed needs rework
lone crypt
hunter, but not surviver
mystic kestrel
Because Allo is medium tier dino
you are not suppose to hunt everything u see
as allo
mystic kestrel
CAn you do
shut gale
^
lone crypt
because rex is a pain in the ass and gets boring, because its strong with no challange. If allo got a health buff, it'd be strong, and increase the growth time, giving a challange
mystic kestrel
Not mid tier
shut gale
yes the easiest of apexes
jovial arch
well, rex has the higher ambush mult, so in theory the things it can catch are more numerous
jovial arch
rex is technically the better hunter and better fighter
mystic kestrel
Cuz its apex
shut gale
by far
mystic kestrel
as allo you want to hunt cerato/dilo/early to mid -sub adults
avoid sucho and apex
lone crypt
im literally only suggesting allo gets a minor health buff and growth increase
jovial arch
yeah but you dont outstam them
shut gale
you can hunt all of those as a rex aswell
jovial arch
^
mystic kestrel
Yes you can?
jovial arch
arguably better too
shut gale
^
jovial arch
wait, do you mean hunt them as sub adults?
mystic kestrel
like what the fuck
shut gale
question was why play allo then?
jovial arch
stop saying "just because it's mid tier"
mystic kestrel
you play allo to be smaller dino than apex and also have sense of danger
jovial arch
that's a silly argument
jovial arch
so you're literally admitting
shut gale
i get your poitn deino
jovial arch
you play allo because it's worse
shut gale
but the rex is so damn strong that it makes takes the allos place
mystic kestrel
he is focused on bleeding out
jovial arch
"it's smaller and has more of a sense of danger"
mystic kestrel
are we talking sub adult rex
shut gale
does everythign the allo does better expect the stam bar...
mystic kestrel
or adult rex
mystic kestrel
What you guys dont get is that Apex is the highest in the food chain
for a reason
like what the hell do you expect
oak shale
Oh so rex bleeds out prey better than allo
mystic kestrel
Allo bleeds out prey
oak shale
I doubt
mystic kestrel
Trex just bites
oak shale
Exactly
mystic kestrel
thats the main difference
shut gale
why bleed when you outright 2shot them?
jovial arch
to be fair rex's effective bleed is 80% of allo
lone crypt
im literally suggesting at this point that allo gets slightly better health and longer growth to compensate. Not hunting better, not moving faster, but simply so it lasts a little longer in a fight. This has nothing to do with rex.
jovial arch
no