That could work too
#general-feedback-discussion
viral creek
viral creek
Guess people will always find something to complain about.
viral creek
To be fair...
viral creek
Said apexes take a significantly longer time than mid teirs to grow. And even so, they are still huntable by them
compact matrix
Decrease the apex power budget in favor of faster grow time and more lenient hunger
viral creek
Ok now that, I won't complain about
jolly willow
sure
compact matrix
I’ll repost in suggestions
viral creek
The only thing I worry about, is everybody and their mom going apex, because they are quicker to grow, even if they are weaker.
But that's just a worry
Not a fact
cursive wind
i think the whole hunger issue could be solved by implementing a dynamic hunger system. so when rex is well fed it cant eat small/medium sized gore, but if rex is starving it can eat basically anything, and this would appply to all dinos to a certain degree. if your at 0 food then any carnovore should be able to eat rotting food but takes the risk of getting sick for awhile unless they are scavengers like the utah or cerato.
light oak
Hunger system is good at is it now... Alot of people have no problem sustaining it's carnívores, you all are creating issues wheres is none.
last remnant
There is a fundamental issue with how mid tiers play against apex
jovial arch
all the carnivores except allo are kinda shit imo
i honestly believe only allo is balanced
sadly though i think it's more a problem of ai and only partly the actual hunger system
shut gale
@last remnant agreed
hazy sparrow
I still think the suggestion to increase sucho speed 300% while swimming and all that other stuff would just be better suited to deinosuchus
jovial arch
i mean
the problem with sucho is that if it's exclusively tied to the water and deino is simply way better at being in the water
then sucho is kinda dead in the water in terms of a niche
violet magnet
and that clip where deino is sprinting on land and it's HELLA FAST
if that's its actual speed then sucho is dead ten times over
hazy sparrow
Crocs can get real fast if they want to on land, they lose a lot of energy doing it though
wheat hemlock
I did try to explain why i think the Sucho changes are good, we have no DEINO, and we will not have a Deino untill we have water physics and fish and everything in between, which will not happen soon, and Sucho is trash right now
violet magnet
@daring quartz ...AFK timeout in the discord...? Or in the game?
hazy sparrow
in the game XD
potent olive
@wheat hemlock hmmm unfortunately
wheat hemlock
Yep, you dont even know how badly i would love to play as the Deino 😦
violet magnet
i mean...people do have to go afk every now and then for various reasons. I don't know what an "afk time-out" would accomplish
potent olive
@wheat hemlock dienosuchos?
hazy sparrow
Well, if it was longer than say 5-10 minutes, you could have safe logged in that time
hazy sparrow
Free up space for active players... I dunno, not my suggestion 😃
violet magnet
like i go afk for a minute then something else comes up that needs my attention, but when it's done i come back to the game
hazy sparrow
I don't think people are advocating kicking people who are afk for only 1 minute, more like if you just leave- but I guess if you do that, you probably deserve to be eaten 😄
but then you'd just be on the dino-select screen AFK, and if the server is full, you're just taking up a slot at that point
wheat hemlock
@potent olive Yes Deinosuchus, the prehistoric Alligator, We've seen his model and animations 2 years ago =p
true haven
no its means adult will have more chance to live , so herbivore will have more time to live
@obsidian matrix
obsidian matrix
??? they kill everything they can so...no and they where everywhere so it was not THAT hard to play lol
time to play only rex i guess
glossy garden
well giga got nerfed and carno got super buffed, sucho have more bleed dmg now or less? i did not understand the sucho part
wheat hemlock
How did carno get super-buffed? there's no really a buff, let alone a superbuff @glossy garden
Also there's nothing about Sucho in terms of attack stats
glossy garden
Reduced fall damage threshold for Carnotaurus , Added new full-body bite animation for Carnotaurus , is this not a good buff?
Increased speed that Sucho replenishes water when drinking , Adjustment to juvenile Sucho bite animation, Fixed juvenile Sucho having way worse stamina recovery than its adult form , Fixed bleeding ratios being backwards for adult Maia & Sucho, Fixed Suchomimus using old sandbox hunger values , Minor increase to Sucho swimming speed, Increased weight mass of juvenile Suchomimus, Increased swimming buoyancy slightly for Suchomimus
idk what "Fixed bleeding ratios being backwards for adult Maia & Sucho" is supposed to mean, was the bleed stronger before the patch or is it stronger now 
before this patch , carno was already not taking fall damage if you jumped from pretty high distance, sometimes you get a broken leg if you fall from very high, when other dinos would be dead, now it will take way less damage and can drop from higher
the devs usualy avoid posting exact buff or nerf values.
valid flower
@thorny lynx ur obviously a rex fan if u want another rex buff
Plus ur name explains it all
Ur ignoring everything else like trikes, weakest Apex now but still crying for the 4rth rex buff in the same buff
uncut zenith
'maybe if we will get a health value on screen, so you should know better when you are close to death, allow using bite when resting, allow using smell when sneaking
maybe add also percentage value of food and water on the icons so you dont need to press insert every time you want to see your food and water' the whole point of resting is to....you know... rest
health value, you can use the screens and the blood amount to know when you're about to die etc
true haven
@uncut zenith its in the settings isnt >>>
uncut zenith
and smell when sneaking, no bc then everyone will stay in ambush lol
what lol
there's no health gage
you can use the health status and the heartrate at the bottom to know when you're close to death
but there's no like hp counter
native nebula
@glossy garden As I think others have pointed out, you're understanding is backwards when it comes to the changes to Carno's fall damage adjustment. Reducing the threshold means it now breaks its leg more easily, not the other way round. Several dinosaurs had similar changes since they were falling too far without any consequences.
glossy garden
How bleed resistance don't do anything? Mean attackers will bleed faster than the trike
@uncut zenith you know every animal on this planet can bite while resting? Dino's did that too. Same as smelling while sneaking
obsidian matrix
so whats the drawback for apex carnivores now? besides growtime?
valid flower
I mean that, when the giga keep attacking u
ur dead
Bleed wont do anything during a fight
glossy garden
Bleed won't do anything in a fight? Are you playing this game ? Lol
stray citrus
glossy garden
If you keep running when walking you die faster
That's what I said, idk if Mr Jerry realize that
obsidian matrix
giga just facetank a trike, sure giga will have a ton of bleed but just rest, it doesnt kill anymore
valid flower
How much did they buff it? +1
glossy garden
No one knows how much is the bleed resistance on trike now
A friend of mine was an adult giga before the patch and he was almost dead because of trike bleed, he got the trike from behind and he let the trike go because he was bleeding hard, trike escaped and the adult giga needed to rest. Immagine now with trike new bleed resistance
The trike has more hp than a giga, I guess now in 1v1 fight trike will win. I will probably try and see the new trike buff
cursive wind
why did they make the sucho more bouyent its water usage its main advantage.
jolly willow
Why don't we have a health bar/icon anyways :/
Sounds like a really simple thing
We technically do (health report) but no fuckin idea what the actual percentage is so
mystic kestrel
@valid flower Giga loses to trike in facetank you dummy
after patch
Spam stomp giga will die
valid flower
before this patch
mystic kestrel
HMM idk
cursive wind
if you get stuck on the trike horns on your side trike can ledle a rex
mystic kestrel
everyone and their mother tested
giga dies in facetanks
giga cant
bone break
you should abuse stomp
in that fight anyway
barren zephyr
its stomp
valid flower
with its op bb
valid flower
exactly
barren zephyr
why yall talkin in feedback
valid flower
1 stomp= 800 dmg, giga will get 3 bites from that 1 stomp
mystic kestrel
u know what
valid flower
Stomp animation is slow af.
sly hatch
Deathmatch
valid flower
Whats non official
mystic kestrel
it still wins face tank
mystic kestrel
dude so many gigas are dumber than a tree branch
barren zephyr
*a semi smart giga
mystic kestrel
lets actualy discuss suggestion here not discuss patch here...
sly hatch
@short hawk do this: f11, windows key, use cursor, f11 again
short hawk
@sly hatch literally nothing happens, still no cursor
@sly hatchz
nevermind i got it now
sly hatch
Rad
short hawk
i thought i just have to click on tab, so i tried clicking on my dino and it worked, thanks ❤
sly hatch
Np!
uncut zenith
@glossy garden i'm sorry to break it to you but this is a game. if dinosaurs could bite when resting.... it'll just break the game. you could just spam bite while bleeding out resting and ye
uncut zenith
@dim zodiac that's already a thing, your dino makes a noise when it takes damage
so if you bite something... you can hear the bite
dim zodiac
hm
native nebula
we'd need reliable hit detection before we could trigger a sound on hit for the instigator
spring flume
Dunno if anyone's suggested this, but maybe they could have nested dinos grow a little bit faster than regular spawns
would give players more of an incentive to nest
mystic kestrel
dino how about bonebreak sound when they just break the bone regardless if you bite them or they fall so everyone can hear it
@uncut zenith but only the player that is getting bone break hears it not the trex
uncut zenith
no... you can hear if another dino breaks their leg
dim zodiac
okok
lone hatch
@knotty wadi are you fan boi rex?
cyan flame
I'm pretty sure the giga is still decently powerful? :p
knotty wadi
the giga is fine lmao fanboys are just salty its not op anymore
valid zephyr
i thought giga still facetanks rex? natalie tested it
giga is still 1 hit from death when rex dies
lone hatch
I'not fanboy dude just wanna balance
barren zephyr
Giga and Rex are balanced RN
knotty wadi
it is balances now lmao, giga gets the jump on rex they win, and vice versa
lone hatch
and ppl like you more bite force for rex!
cyan flame
Really Jen, good to know, no facetanking the gigas then :p
barren zephyr
Either you suck at giga or you just want giga to be OP
lone hatch
and i think u are not scientist haha
cyan flame
If the giga can still facetank a rex and be fine, then the giga is still just a touch too strong I'd say :p
valid zephyr
^^
i think rex should narrowly win in facetank all things even
but in reality it should fall to who gets the first hit in
lone hatch
before patch it was ok
wintry estuary
Rex shouldn't be able to facetank trike
knotty wadi
yeah its currently whoever gets the first bite off
cyan flame
Figured the giga should get the ambush, let the bleed take the edge off the rex for a bit, then finish it off with either more hit n run (because why would you want to facetank), but be able to facetank if needed since the rex then is weaker
knotty wadi
yeah giga can bleed and outstam rex easily
and rex can ambush and bb the giga, seems good
wintry estuary
The problem is people who main giga want to be able to slaughter everything in their path with no challenge whatsoever
knotty wadi
yeah lmao giga players want to just "im the apex" 
lone hatch
😄
scarlet root
Alpha that kid named xSilas43 is just rex fanboy
lone hatch
ik
wintry estuary
What do you guys recommend for giga then?
knotty wadi
buff giga dmg by 200
faint vector
Dunno, until I test out myself how does it look after the 150N dmg nerf, I cant give credit to either side
lone hatch
now rex is better in everything
cyan flame
Except the giga has the mobility advantage
lone hatch
faster, stronger etc. xD
cyan flame
Being a better hunter
knotty wadi
bad gigas exposing themselves
cyan flame
And before the "nerf" the giga were pretty much the better.. so how to balance them then? :p
wintry estuary
Ok so let me get this straight you want giga to do 900 dmg, only 300 less than Rex. Which actually beco es almost even when you calculate it's higher weight class. Have more health than Rex and also do 50 bleed 40 more than Rex? Does that honestly sound realistic?
knotty wadi
now not everyone can be a braindead giga player
scarlet root
Simple Giga = Rex - Skill winnable only. Fanboy T-rex see always like this Rex>Giga
knotty wadi
scientifically rex is stronger than giga
tbh they both fulfil different roles currently as it should be
faint vector
dunno, I dont think Giga need more dmg. 850 was already plentiful. Even EZ
lone hatch
I said you are not scientist
scarlet root
No giga was actualy ok because he cant broke bone
wintry estuary
Giga takes 6 hours to fully grown Rex takes 7 and you want them to be even??
scarlet root
so 850 was ok
wintry estuary
That doesn't make sense
lone hatch
Who said give giga 900bite force?
knotty wadi
yes shaun my weaker dino should be stronger than the king even tho its trot is better and has better stam
barren zephyr
The damage is not the problem with giga
cyan flame
Wiru, I think it's more that in a raw facetank the rex should win, the giga should rely a bit on the bleed/mobility thing
scarlet root
Rex - 80% broke bone chance and 1200 biteforce and kids still crying because giga bite force was 850
that sad
cyan flame
You're entirely missing the points I think :P
wintry estuary
Do you not realize giga could literally facetank every dino in the game besides shant pue and cama?
lone hatch
@cyan flame when rex is faster and can bb
barren zephyr
Giga problems are :
- impossible toi Escape while trotting
- biting too fast
wintry estuary
You aren't accounting for bite speed
knotty wadi
give giga bonebreak that will balance it 😆
scarlet root
so nerf his hp ? why nerf dmg
cyan flame
Alpha, so? Giga has bleed, mobility, and even so, it should not be able to facetank a rex, period. I'd be up for making them about the same speed, or lowering the rex run speed a bit
faint vector
Rex doesnt take 7 hours... almost exactly the same time as giga... around 6,5h both of them
scarlet root
if he can facetank nerf his hp
cyan flame
Since the rex has the ambush anyway, which really is where the speed should be, not in the normal run :p
wintry estuary
Giga shouldn't be able to kill trike head to head that is beyond d ridiculous
knotty wadi
trike got a bleed buff so maybe cant anymore
lone hatch
we are talking about giga vs rex, not trike
wintry estuary
If gigas hp is lowered it would actually make it even worse than if his dmg is lowered because Rex will do more damage with lower weight and have higher bone break chance
cyan flame
HP and weight is not the same thing
wintry estuary
No it's 70% chance
cyan flame
Could lower the health a bit, make the rex have lower weight but higher health, and the other way around for the giga, being a bit heavier but more "fragile".. :p
wintry estuary
Giga can easily outrun rex and Rex is stronger it's balanced
scarlet root
so for you giga need skill but rex no just rush everythink and kill
wintry estuary
No, head to head a Rex should ha e a higher chance of winning because it takes longer
scarlet root
yes lmao that big lizard like giga cant brake bone that funny too
knotty wadi
because the gigas jaw is tiny
lone hatch
haha
knotty wadi
wiru bad giga exposed
lone hatch
good one
wintry estuary
By your logic we should buff carno to be exact same as allo because they are same tier
cyan flame
Well, if there's going to be a difference between them, they can't do the same thing, so one of them will have to be better than the other at something.. :p
knotty wadi
giga strength comes more from its neck than jaw
giga players just want giga to do everything rex does but better lmao
wintry estuary
Even though carno is faster
lone hatch
It can't now bleed rex out bc he is slower soo.. Realistic as fuck is bb by rex but nvm
knotty wadi
yeah carno gets 1 shot by everything make is strong like cera
wintry estuary
The main reason they nerfed giga wasn't for fighting Rex it was for literally making trike unplayable
You could be a 89 year old blind man with dementia and kill trike with giga
knotty wadi
but i cant mash click and kill everything now 😢
lone hatch
if u wanna give him smaller dmg it should has more bleed, speed but then 2 gigas should kill rex easily but Imo rex vs giga should win skill or who first bite
so buff trike
lone hatch
rex 70% bb
viral creek
Not only that, but giga also has a higher weight mass than rex, so he does even more
If a giga ambushes a rex and gets a few bites, he can win.
lone hatch
ahh
viral creek
Even if giga couldn't fight a rex, he is still a better overall hunter, due to his fast trot and stamina.
lone hatch
He need lucky to kill rex kk
viral creek
Not every apex should be balanced around "can I kill a rex or not".
Giga has extremely high health, godly alt turn, and a stupidly high level of bleed, and can escape from a rex, if he can spot the rex first.
Giga is fine
cobalt compass
^
They could even nerf its rawdmg to 600 and it would still have its massive bleed
brazen wolf
You guys in sane
cobalt compass
Maybe gigaplayer should try to play it like an Apex-Dilo
viral creek
Dilo is fine wdym
brazen wolf
rex could easily kill giga
viral creek
A rex can kill a giga if it can catch it.b
cobalt compass
Despite its size, the giga is like the dilo mainly hit&run
viral creek
Rex also has a pitiful 30 seconds of stam and 6 sec ambush. Giga can get away
brazen wolf
gaga is not good against rex anymore
noo you psycho
rex can run
if he finds giga in close proxmity then giga has no option but to fiht
fight
viral creek
Giga isn't amazing against rex, but if he has a friend, he can mess it up.
Giga also outclasses literally everything else in the ecosystem with it's health, and god teir bleed and alt turn
brazen wolf
And Giga is food for rex
jolly willow
Giga isnt rexfood.
viral creek
If you see the rex first you can get away, trust me
jolly willow
Literally just ambush the rex/get the first hit
brazen wolf
noo you cant
jolly willow
run away and hide
viral creek
Been there, done it
brazen wolf
trust me
viral creek
If I can do it, you can too
jolly willow
Yes you can
brazen wolf
you must be rex fanbay
jolly willow
Rexes stam is shit
jolly willow
Giga spots rex, giga ambushes and gets in bites
brazen wolf
you herbs hate every one
jolly willow
Runs away before rex can respond
viral creek
Rex is fine
brazen wolf
seems like you guys havent played giga
jolly willow
It could just facetank rex
viral creek
I have
viral creek
I've been ran down by a rex before
brazen wolf
Giga is done
jolly willow
:\
viral creek
But I have also outran a rex
viral creek
Rex is honestly pretty balanced
brazen wolf
Now Rex is the king
viral creek
He has good speed, but shit teir stam.
brazen wolf
no it's not it shouldnt be faster then giga
obsidian matrix
Rex player: Rex is weak!! giga needs nerf // Giga player: Giga is weak!! nerf rex!!! // Herbi player: both are fine now......
viral creek
Giga has a chance.
brazen wolf
no way
viral creek
I did on sandbox not survival.
brazen wolf
giga could do suicide
brazen wolf
sand box and survival is different
viral creek
They are
brazen wolf
giga is super hard to grow
viral creek
So is rex
brazen wolf
and if you lucky get eaten by rex
Rex is doing insane good
If they increase its alt turn
viral creek
And so is giga
viral creek
Giga cannot fight rex well, but it is the bane of most mid teir's existence, and trike
brazen wolf
well rex will be thriving
and giga will be extinct
and stop commenting on dino that you dont play
go play herbs
and comment on that
jolly willow
Before this patch
viral creek
And you can get away
brazen wolf
so shut yout moth
jolly willow
Giga was a brawler
viral creek
Lol
jolly willow
You could fight anything and live
brazen wolf
Giga should be faster then rex
jolly willow
Now its actually a bleeder.
brazen wolf
that's period
viral creek
Do you know how fast giga would be if it were faster than rex
jolly willow
^
brazen wolf
it's not fair for giga right not
viral creek
Absolutely gamebreaking
viral creek
As if giga wasn't strong enough
brazen wolf
i don't want to sped 7 hour to be recked by rex
brazen wolf
so i jumped from cliff
viral creek
Use your eyes
brazen wolf
you cant rex is faster
viral creek
Yes you can
brazen wolf
giga has no chance
viral creek
Have you ever played rex
obsidian matrix
@brazen wolf 6.5 hours*
wintry cipher
Just trot away as soon as see one
viral creek
And seen the absolute shit teir stam it has
brazen wolf
Giga population will decrease drastically
brazen wolf
so guys if you don't know the pain of Giga dont comment
viral creek
I've played it and it's not painful
obsidian matrix
this guy lol, the bias is real
viral creek
Escaped several rexes
astral forge
nah giga is a little painful
brisk mesa
YOU CAN EAT LARGE GORES, AND GO WITHOUT FOOD LONGER
That's a huge buff to Giga
MASSIVE
astral forge
especially when you're a sub and die due to a three foot fall
brazen wolf
if giga gets nerf then Rex should too
viral creek
Rex has asthma
brazen wolf
Rex gets that too bro
brisk mesa
Giga was nerfed bc he wasn't meant to facetank Trex
obsidian matrix
@brazen wolf im fine with that, there are to many apexes anyway 
brisk mesa
That's the only thing it doesn't do anymore
jolly willow
I'm pretty sure you're just upset you actually have to play smart now.
brisk mesa
Giga still kills Trex if you ambush it
jolly willow
Before you could play like you were braindead and live
brisk mesa
Or if it gets unlucky with BB
jolly willow
Fucking ambush goddamn
faint vector
Giga still has 700N bite force, and 50 bleed to almost 6,5t weight. Still nothing to cry about. imho.
brazen wolf
Nurf Trike
brisk mesa
Trex is faster by a little bit
brisk mesa
50
brazen wolf
Nurf trike
brisk mesa
Bleed atm
jolly willow
No
cyan flame
I think it can still facetnak?
jolly willow
Someone tested
cyan flame
Higher bite speed?
brazen wolf
it's useless talking to you herbs.
jolly willow
It might be one of those "didnt say in patch notes"
brisk mesa
Lmao
brazen wolf
go eat grass
cyan flame
Someone go try out the rex/giga facetank? :p
jolly willow
^^
viral creek
I play carnivore too lol
jolly willow
And check the bleed please
brazen wolf
enjoy the giga nurf you assholes
brisk mesa
😂
obsidian matrix
and i play everything, not everyone is so biased torwards 1 dino
brisk mesa
^^^
wintry cipher
I will thank you. It's boring only seeing gigas
cyan flame
I think, with the giga bitespeed, it's still very very close, even in a raw facetank, even if the giga might lose it, but then you got the massive bleed, just get the first hit/few seconds of bleed..
obsidian matrix
<@&401466542140817419> UncleRaptor insulting users here
viral creek
Okay.
So tell me with a straight face that an animal with...
More health and weight than a T-rex, fast bite speed, godly fast trot, decent stamina, god teir alt turn and stupidly high bleed damage is BAD
sweet oasis
@brazen wolf Cut the insults. This is a place for civil discussion of suggestions.
faint vector
It is still not. Still not after 150N Nerf.
cobalt compass
Giga has its bleed from its huntingstil, lurking in relatively dense wood, take a charge and let the prey bleed to death even if it can escape
jolly willow
Rex can still catch a giga if it tries to run though :/
pure copper
Will this Giga vs rex nonsense ever end
kind blaze
@jolly willow try not to discuss stuff in feedback, but from a test done already its 6 bites for rex to kill giga and 9 for giga to kill rex face tank style
jolly willow
Just how this comm is unfortunately kek
faint vector
Never. Never going to end 😄
jolly willow
A debate that will never die
pure copper
Carnivora forum 2.0
faint vector
I wouldnt mind if it would happen with coherent reasons, with proper proof support. But it happens like two disabled fighting. "NERF GIGA/REX" "NO U"
oblique sluice
@tribal elk Yes i did, use this channel
tribal elk
Then you should know 7 hours is plenty
oblique sluice
rex is 6, giga 6.50
sub and adult apexes got buffed in both sides, now in adult stage their food decay less, now there is a bit bigger AI
barren zephyr
Maybe because they're subs 👀
oblique sluice
^
tribal elk
you were talking sub buffs so I countered
oblique sluice
back to 7 hours for both apexes seems fine to me, at least for now
barren zephyr
just becaus a creature gets a buff doesnt mean its invincible
or meant to take on something bigger
tribal elk
anyway playing subs is a pain already, adding even more time would kill all the fun
oblique sluice
in the last days i have seen a lot of big groups of adult apexes
tribal elk
they've always been there
oblique sluice
5 adult rexes around kill the fun more, at least for me
i mean, 5 in the same group
tribal elk
change server??
Dude all servers that have rules I've been to are max 2/3 rexes in group
oblique sluice
yeah, because stupid semi realism are better, sure
i don't complain about the slots in group
thorny lynx
Who wants more greens and grays and browns?
tribal elk
me
thorny lynx
Who wants to be a fkkn mountain pachy
tribal elk
reds too
thorny lynx
React on my suggestion my guy
oblique sluice
but 6 hours for adult rex seems to little for me
tribal elk
I literally did buddy
@thorny lynx I'm the one who started the "MORE 🌈" thing
@oblique sluice it's hard enough with 3 hours as a sub that get's wrecked by everything, after almost 2 hours of even trying to get to that sub
oblique sluice
more time in growth can be in fresh adult, or juv
i don't mind
but 7 hours before was perfect
and with the last buffs in sub and adult stages, 7 hours is even better
thorny lynx
Lowkey 3 hours should go un adult stage, 2 and a half hours in sub, 1 and a half hours as juvie.
tribal elk
I'm not a game veteran in The Isle and don't know how it was before but I've been here for a month and a half, playing non apexs. The last week or two I tried apexs, a Cera after days of attempting Rex and then going back to Giga? No they're fine, I'd say speed up growth for giga tbh, 700 bite against what? 1100? 1200 of the rex?
thorny lynx
Giga bites faster than rex
barren zephyr
Apexes have long growth times so they're not all over the place any worse than they already are. They're grindy for a reason. They're big and powerful and they need some kind of downside to make growing one less appealing and the time investment is a fair one imo.
cyan flame
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to make everything else more appealing, rather than make something not appealing.. :p
thorny lynx
450 damage
valid flower
@mystic kestrel why would I when I get the opportunity to be an event Dino
thorny lynx
3 hours to get to 1200 damage doesn't sound farfetched
tribal elk
same Erik
barren zephyr
Less appealing so they don't overrun servers any worse than they do now. = _ = There's a difference between 50 rexes and 50 utah. One of them is a lot easier to deal with.
thorny lynx
1 and a half hours as juvenile, 2 and a half hours as sub, 3 hours as adult. 7 hours.
cyan flame
Again, make others more appealing, not them less appealing, was my sentiment :p
Also, god only knows where you find all these apexes, I've yet to meet more than two adults of anything, much less these five man band people seem to meet every other minute :p
tribal elk
again, same @ erik
oblique sluice
yesteday i was adult rex in us3, around the pit, found a adult giga and adult rex corpses, then another adult giga come and eated a bit from the corpses
cyan flame
Surely there must be some better way than purely time to make things fun, and reasonable to choose, especially since we're focusing survival, in which case it should be about how well you can survive, and perhaps in which ways you survive. Dryo now burrows, as an added/new mechanic of escape, rather than "just run like the wind" :p
oblique sluice
what happened next? 5 adult rexes come and killed me
cyan flame
Maybe that might be more fun than just running, thus inspiring people to play dryo for that experience perhaps
oblique sluice
too much apex in my opinion
cyan flame
Huh, maybe us servers are weirder.. :p
oblique sluice
maybe
cyan flame
I've yet to see anything near that on my eu servers, most I've met as adult rex has been other loners, and once a pair, who promptly murdered me but still xD
cyan flame
So I have a hard time seeing the whole megapack issues, I've never seen a full five man band of either rexes or gigas :p
tribal elk
who did?
thorny lynx
Giga can't facetank anymore. Yay.
cyan flame
People are somewhat upset it lost 150 damage since they can't facetank rexes quite as easily now, though I think they still can, with the higher bite speed? Not sure on that one though
tribal elk
yep, since it takes quite a bit longer to grow than rex does...which honestly doesn't make sense
waxen elk
I CANT SOLO REXES AS GIGA BUFF IT TO 2000 DAMAGE AND 100000000000 HP
violet magnet
Giga can facetank rexes
"ERMAHGERD GIGA IS TOO OP NERF IT PLZ"
Giga gets a damage nerf and can no longer facetank rexes
"ERMAHGERD GIGA IS TOO WEAK NOW BUFF IT BACK"
tribal elk
nobody here said anything about giga damage being low
cyan flame
Eh, I think it's cause gigas are the better hunters in a sense?
waxen elk
They are
cyan flame
And thus, they can have a bit more time, not sure on if that's fair or not, but gigas do have the mobility advantage, and almost as much power, what with their bleed, you're as dead as if a rex got you with bonebreak I think :p
waxen elk
I mean
lone crypt
People are so used to giga being strong and solo that they don’t realize that giga is now perfect for pack hunting and no longer taking on prey that was never meant to be an easy option for giga
People are so focused on stats that they don’t take gameplay into account
waxen elk
Utah , Cerato even Allo can do pretty much everything Dilo can and better
Dilo has pretty much nothing
waxen elk
It won't get removed lmao
barren zephyr
just buff it
manic ibex
I'm not really serious when I say remove it
cyan flame
Darker nights, and an ambush like the rex would be nice, that and some help with the turn radius :p
manic ibex
that was my fav dino before
umbral prairie
uncleraptor, stop suggesting things that would fuck rexes intended niche over please
cyan flame
Beyond that, make dilo bleed tick every second, and they'll be terrifying
manic ibex
but now it's just shit
lone crypt
Dilo doesn’t need a buff, it already has an incredibly fast growth rate to compensate, and it has nighttime advantage. If you’re seriously struggling with dilo, you ain’t doing it right
cyan flame
Well, the nights are a bit bright perhaps, but you could live in the jungle forest, that ought to help that
barren zephyr
i dont even need nv at night to see
violet magnet
"dilo control rex population"
huh?
waxen elk
I killed two Dilos as a Carno at night
cyan flame
I do wish the bleed was more "lethal" for the dilo :p
lone crypt
Dilo bleed is already pretty severe
nimble summit
Using gamma as an advantage will get you punished.
barren zephyr
nighttime is way 2 light
waxen elk
@brazen wolf So you pretty much want Giga to be the king of The Isle and be completely unrivalled and Rex being nothing but Giga's bitch?
lone crypt
^^^
manic ibex
Dilo is just not viable right now. It has no niche
violet magnet
tfw this is a survival game where your survival relies on your ability to adapt to changing circumstances constantly
"BUT Y CAN'T DILO RUN OUT IN OPEN FIELDS AND NOT BE SEEN NO MORE"
umbral prairie
I would leave it as it is, I think rex should keep bb and continue to be fast as that is its intended in game niche, giga is a bit easy to catch for a rex but I wouldn't make it faster than rex, just a little faster so rexes need more time to catch up -> need to get closer for their ambush
barren zephyr
thats not the problem
the problem is it cant run in forests either
has worse turn than maia
waxen elk
Dilophosaurus is like
cyan flame
That sounds reasonable Sam :p
barren zephyr
and doesnt have alot to deter predators from attacking it
umbral prairie
dilo is a bit shitty rn, I think pachys can outrun it
barren zephyr
its bleed can be scary but
the predator can just sit down
yes
pachy does outrun it
waxen elk
Utah can do pretty much everything it can
barren zephyr
and outstam it iirc
waxen elk
And like
umbral prairie
plus I don't think dilos should be able to 'control rex population'
waxen elk
10 times better
lone crypt
Have y’all considered using regular walk when in tight spaces as dilo
cyan flame
Yeh, but thats walking, I think they mean the run turn
barren zephyr
regular walk doesnt help if something is chasing you
waxen elk
I have never come out of forests as Dilo
cyan flame
And the running turn for the dilo is a bit shitty I think
barren zephyr
it is
coarse thicket
And now nights are brighter and bleed was nerfed
barren zephyr
only better than rex and carno iirc
manic ibex
you want to walk when using hit and RUN tactic? genius
coarse thicket
And dilos damage was nerfed as well
umbral prairie
why is this raptor dude trying to control rex population, I've seen like 20 times more gigas than rexes around
waxen elk
Because Giga damage is 700 instead of 1000000000 now and it's unviable because it can't solo rexes
violet magnet
dilo's walk turn is slow and wider than its trot turn
at least last time i played it was
umbral prairie
Squid I don't know if velo will be able to burrow, but I think it will be able to get inside other dinos burrows and eat them
lone crypt
yeah okay so dilo can get some change. I’d suggest making it slightly larger to make sure any speed buff still lines up with the walk cycle, and give it a minor speed buff too, and then give it a slight speed turn change OR a minor speed buff
Idk about you guys tho, I find dilo pretty easy
manic ibex
Dilo is not a forest dino, and people can see you coming at night. It can't deter same tier dinos because bleed doesn't kill when you sit. Dilo is just neutered
coarse thicket
It needs a bleed buff since it’s. a bleeder and bleed was nerfed along with its damage
barren zephyr
utah is faster has better turn
cyan flame
Is the jungle forest also that bad to run in?
waxen elk
Dilophosaurus needs either two things
barren zephyr
and can literally facetank dilo
then sits down
and just heals it all
over time yea
lone crypt
Any buff dilo gets should increase its growth then
barren zephyr
but still it gets away with its life
cyan flame
Dilo doesn't need a bleed buff, it needs its "venom" to make bleed more efficient xD
violet magnet
"Dilo is not a forest dino"
....uh...
manic ibex
no It's not
coarse thicket
With brighter nights you can still see them in the firsts though
Don’t even need night vision
barren zephyr
its turn isnt good enough for it to work as a forest dino effectively
manic ibex
doesn't have the turn radius for that
waxen elk
1 - To be faster
2- To have more HP than weight mass
And an actual turn for a forest dinosaur
lone crypt
It’s turn is only so bad because it’s bleed is so good
manic ibex
people play forest dilo because they got no other choice
coarse thicket
And either it’s bleed should be fixed or damage buffed
manic ibex
not because they have tools to do so
violet magnet
my dilo works just fine in forests wat
coarse thicket
Bleed doesn’t practically nothing now. As a Utah I can easily kill silos with getting to second screen
coarse thicket
*without
manic ibex
you will see
violet magnet
yes?
barren zephyr
and is faster
coarse thicket
And even if I do get 3 bleed, I just sit and wait
barren zephyr
and has better turn
waxen elk
Not even just facetank
violet magnet
i play mainly in forests because ya can't ambush from an open field
waxen elk
It can chase it down and 7 shot it to oblivion and dilo would have nothing to do
lone crypt
So just buff dilo health at the cost of extended growth maybe?
barren zephyr
its growth is already longer than utahs iirc
waxen elk
No need for more growth
coarse thicket
Even with a health buff, silo doesn’t have sustainable damage
barren zephyr
unless they made utah take longer
lone crypt
Dilo grows incredibly fast
waxen elk
And?
barren zephyr
its either less or the same
coarse thicket
It Kills with its bleed because it has horrible bite force and now bleed is useless
waxen elk
When it got 200 bleed damage
lone crypt
Then buff dilo health and give it slightly longer growth
waxen elk
Every single Utah started crying
barren zephyr
bite damage*
coarse thicket
I can easily annihilate di-lo packs with Utah now
violet magnet
utahs cry about not being able to bring down rexes so eh
coarse thicket
And it doesn’t matter how much the bleed has stacked because I can just sit.
Utah shouldn’t be bringing down Rex though
violet magnet
it shouldn't, but "muh immersion"
lone crypt
Lmao
coarse thicket
In real life it wouldn’t happen unless the Rex was elderly or severely injured anyways
barren zephyr
in real life it wouldent happen period imo
even if it was sick
utah would prolly stay away
inner grove
coughcoughhj horkhoorkvelociraptor burrowing HHRK
coarse thicket
Yeah, basically
inner grove
HOOGA
lone crypt
lmfao
inner grove
muh VELO
barren zephyr
rex burrowing when
inner grove
^
waxen elk
Small carnis should be able to take you out from a burrow
lone crypt
that’s already planned for the future
inner grove
oh sad!
lone crypt
Same with IK, it’s still in it’s early stages
carmine topaz
lol
inner grove
OH MY GOD
lone crypt
Natural habitat
viral creek
So responding to that dilo suggestion
How to fix dilo:
Give dilo a better turn radius
inner grove
how to fix dilo: make it hot pink like hatchling rex
viral creek
There ya go
viral creek
Literally all dilo needs is a better turn so he can juke things like pachy
And carno
viral creek
Potentially that too
barren zephyr
so it can otrun pachy
viral creek
Honestly though dilo with a better turn would fix so many of it's problems
lone crypt
with better turn should be longer growth to adult, like 10-15 minutes longer if the change is minor, maybe a little longer if it’s significant
viral creek
Juke predators in the forest and lose them in the dark
lone crypt
Cuz with better turn, comes the opportunity of ass-riding.
viral creek
Then run
lone crypt
use trees to juke, you’ve got a shitload of stam to burn
barren zephyr
pachys gunnu hunt me down
viral creek
Pachy turns reallyyyy bad
lone crypt
Yeah but not all servers have alt turn, and Rex alt turn is easily out-maneuvered by anyone who knows how alt turn works
viral creek
So if dilo gets better turn, just circlejerk, bite, and gtfo
The pachy will give up, he has bad bleed resist
Also I don't wannt make our pretty looking night look terrible and pitch black again to compensate for one creature. :(
civic sky
That's why i low key would love pachy to have bb, or a better version of bb in the future.
to compensate for that turn radius
lone crypt
Not bb, but maybe a stun mechanic
viral creek
Pachy doesn't need bb. He's strong as hell for his size and can outrun anything that can hunt him, aside from carno.
A herd can take on a carno though
lone crypt
no but guys a stun mechanic would have so many opportunities
viral creek
Pachy is actually really good rn
civic sky
it is
carmine topaz
Pachys are finally in a good spot. 
civic sky
my pachy is two weeks old atm, now it's soo much better and easier to survive
viral creek
Ok back on topic though. Just give dilo a nice ass turn so he can juke tf out of things that can outrun him.
carmine topaz
They just need bone break now and we good
marble valley
The speed boost really helped but since it takes 3 hits minimum to kill raptor/dilo any more than two of either that are competent can take one down
lone crypt
Or a stun mechanic for when it headbutts smaller dinos
viral creek
Yk what I really want
Knockback
Or give pachy the ability to quite literally topple animals over while in a straight charge
Epic
lone crypt
That could be more problematic than it could be intuitive
viral creek
I just want to throw a utah off a cliff as a pachy, it'd be so satisfying
lone crypt
Well that’s what I mean when I said stun, like an ability to temporarily disable (knock over or knock unconscious)
viral creek
Yes knocking over dinos yes pls
lone crypt
Imagine a carno hitting a Gali
Also, I think regional damage should be one of the next focuses
civic sky
that will save soo many dinos atm, diablo and trike will benefit soo much more aswell since i assume the head won't take much damage making them nightmares to fight head on.
@viral creek that's exactly what i had in mind too, me likey.
light oak
@viral creek the problem with night is that only a few casuals plays it like it should be. The rest of us use gamma adjust to see just like day time. Theres no thrill at night, no fear, they could just get rid of the night as it's now. With the night exploitation, and the nerf to hunger and bigger IA, this game is turning into a furry fantasy game.
viral creek
A few bad apples shouldn't ruin the overall experience
light oak
Haha a few? People that not use gamma see the minority
viral creek
Well
light oak
You would be surprise
viral creek
Even so, the suggestion was to make dilo viable outside the darkness
There's not much we can do about assholes without ruining the experience for others
light oak
Yes, makes the night dark again
viral creek
But it's so uglllyyy
light oak
...
Also turn Radius does nothing when u have alt turn... I just killed 7 cera, that have the best turning radius with my rex
Just Crouch, and alt turn to bite
Gg
viral creek
It does, if you are running away
clever leaf
it'd be capable of juking pachy/maia/carno if it turned better
viral creek
In combat it doesn't, but in escape it does
barren zephyr
@viral creekits also painfully visable as carno
violet magnet
killing 7 ceras as a rex with alt turn isn't exactly an accomplishment, you two-shot them
thorny lynx
I thought rex had a turn radius buff
I don't feel it
Walk turn, Ithink? But I don't really feel itr
light oak
@violet magnet you missing they point, that why i said buffing dilos turno ratio adds nothing
thorny lynx
Dilo hits and runs, like Utah. Can't turn around and run away when you turn like a train
barren zephyr
@light oak with better turning dilo can escape better in its main habitat/terain. the forests and the redwoods dilo gets easily stuck on trees
hazy sparrow
I think the true casuals are the ones who alter their game brightness to get an edge 😃
If the devs wanted you to turn up your gamma they would have put a gamma slider in. You're basically hacking at this point 😃
viral creek
It's not about getting stuck on trees
It's about getting other people stuck on trees
@barren zephyr
light oak
@hazy sparrow haha whatever man. At the end of the day, i'm the one asking for the solution, you are just negating a reality. It's a win win for me 
jolly willow
Didn't Don say smth about having a patch/fix for the gamma shittery
Back in like, 2018 though
violet magnet
we had the pitch black nights to combat the gamma shittery, but then people complained about it being too dark
jovial arch
uh
viral creek
And it looks bad
jovial arch
i think a big part of it was reshade
jolly willow
How would they patch the gamma shit though, then
violet magnet
*and reshade
jolly willow
What could they do
violet magnet
gamma is in your PC settings, so...not much they can do except rely on an honor system
jolly willow
😬
jovial arch
that doesn't work
jolly willow
No honor here chief
hazy sparrow
Well at complete blackness, no amount of gamma would give anyone an edge.
violet magnet
and obviously honor systems in an MMORPG don't work 😂
jolly willow
Lots of people use gamma
hazy sparrow
So you could only rely on night vision range
jovial arch
smelly, there's this thing called reshade
people use it to basically give themselves dilo nv
violet magnet
reshade is cheatiiiinnngggg
jolly willow
It's not bannable/punshable..?
lone crypt
Bring back pitch blackness, it means everyone would have to play with the same visibility, thus making gameplay less variable and allowing changes in night vision and other mechanics easier to change.
violet magnet
i thought it was on official servers...?
jolly willow
hmm.
violet magnet
reshade and gamma exploiting?
jolly willow
Well yea
jovial arch
but becuase it helps performance and makes the game look better
jolly willow
ye
violet magnet
eehhh...
stiff fiber
honestly the reason I tried the isle in the first place is because I was watching a streamer playing with NV back when it was pitch black nights
thought the dino looked cool creeping around in NV
now no point to even use NV unless you're in a super thick forest
jolly willow
Is reshade considered hacking really tho
barren zephyr
yes
cedar igloo
I totally agree with nights being too bright now. Dilos seem to be very vulnerable now - not as fast and agile as utahs to escape danger and now really strong enough to fight back.
umbral prairie
if you make night brigher with it, it is
barren zephyr
they stated pretty plainly that injected programs that allow exploit (the program as a whole) is considered a cheating device even if it's not used that way.
jolly willow
i c
umbral prairie
yeah nights would be cooler when you could only see with NV, I would just like a slight increase to every dino's nv radius because it seemed very small (at least for the bigger dinos)
stiff fiber
ya I would be fine with an increase in NV range
I think it's fine with the small range but a bigger range wouldn't be as annoying as what they did
or even make night slightly shorter
hazy sparrow
Day time should be slightly longer than night, unless its winter or something 😄
umbral prairie
I mean it is supposed to be a bit spooky and a bigger range could make that feel go away, but I think a shorter range would not add to the intended scary atmosphere and just be annoying
compact matrix
@wheat topaz Camara might get a size buff in the future
wheat topaz
If they make it it's would make sense
cyan flame
Well the Cama is a bit.. tiny.. :p Even so, it's still heavy enough that I think trample makes sense, and a solo apex should probably have a hell of a time trying to take one down :p
wheat topaz
take me 20 min with my rex
cyan flame
Well, seems reasonable? If you're on your own, you should probably not hunt it to begin with, and I also think bleed is by far more effective against those things, so they might be primarily for gigas, just like trikes might be for rexes (since they can bonebreak and remove the stomp)
?
They've changed night/daytime?
mental sleet
sunset and dawn
are essentially mini-night time.
so the actual ''day'' lasts much less time than it should.
thorny lynx
Morning to afternoon is such an immediate transition and I hate it. I wish it was more gradual.
civic sky
That’s why I always said trike shouldn’t rely on stomp, once you get bb you’re helpless. The gore should be the main attack while stomp is removed and replaced.
lone crypt
Maybe a trample damage mechanic for smaller animals?
amber prism
That's going to be a thing, it just isn't yet
fluid schooner
do you guys think they took the right decision in nerfing giga down to 700 n?
fluid schooner
there needs to be something that can counter rex
and giga had a hard time doing it as it was
restive mesa
yea it should go like this: giga<rex<trike
fluid schooner
no it should be like a circle
restive mesa
oh sorry let me show you how that works a little more in depth
fluid schooner
like they should all be equal
if rex is always going to be stronger than giga what's the point in playing giga
restive mesa
giga<rex<trike<giga pair<rex pair< trike herd
if giga is going to continually be stronger than rex whats the point in playing rex
it goes both ways
fluid schooner
i guess that's fine, but i don't think they should have nerfed it
it was fine as it was IMO
restive mesa
giga should be nerfed more and allowed a slightly larger pack size
should be rex pair and giga trio
with giga nerfed quite a bit of course
fluid schooner
in official they allow up to 5 apexes
restive mesa
yea thats because they love to be rex fanboy groupies
viral creek
A giga could kill a rex if it gets an ambush in.
Get a few hits in with ambush speed, run a far enough distance, let the bleed do the job
But rex will destroy giga in a fight
restive mesa
They need to use something other than another apex as an apex counter so that the server isnt just populated with apexes (as it currently is)
viral creek
Believe it or not
lone crypt
Rex is a tank, giga hunts things that don’t stand a chance. If your a giga and take something on that can put up a dangerous fight, you aren’t playing giga right
viral creek
Dilos can do business against apexes
hazy sparrow
Is sucho hunger drain very drastic change?
lone crypt
Also, affinity will impact the amount of preds in the future
restive mesa
carnos do amazing at taking on solo apexes
but at current (with the trike so weak now) apexes fear nothing but each other
So all you see are the people who feel inferior irl wanting to feel powerful and playing apexes back to back.
lone crypt
lol people disliking my idea because “much precious combat”
cyan flame
I think it's more that you pointed out new mechanics would be needed, so.. what exactly will the suggestion do? :p
barren zephyr
Combat is slated for an overhaul, we don't know what will happen to alt turn when thayday comes. That said, alt turn is only really effective 1v1, it's a lot harder to stand your ground against 2-3 pacing critters that are waiting for your back to then for a second.
It's otherwise really necessary for large and slow turning creatures to get rid of annoying fast and quick turning things, like the often mentioned Rex v Utah
Nobody likes being assriden
tribal kayak
@lone crypt you would do better if you dont suggest stupid stuff
barren zephyr
Alt turn makes the attacker think more about how to approach their target imo, maybe they should reconsider
lone crypt
Didn’t read the full thing did ya
Alt turn removal in turn for combat techniques and better balance changes
tribal kayak
if you are unhappy with alt turn, which is a needed mechanism for biggers and slower dinos to defend themselves from smaller dinos like raptors, go to those carebear private servers....
lone crypt
Actually it’ll all change when combat overhaul comes in nvm
tribal kayak
the thing is, if alt turn had an animation nobody would complain
cyan flame
Im sure people would still complain, but as stated, without alt turn, we need something else instead, something we don't have, so, for now, its alt turn, no matter if we like it or not :p
charred sluice
side stepping or walking backwards in some way would be better than alt turn
barren zephyr
alt turn also.. useful for ..
lining up with food, especially if you are large or have wide walk turn radius
getting unstuck from rocks/trees/cliffs
spinny dance with friends
tribal kayak
@charred sluice you think that animals dont turn? xD
charred sluice
ofc but this is a game, better to have something that works insted os dancing dinos
tribal kayak
oh god..just gonna say this one more time. If alt turn had a proper and realistic animation no one would complain about it
its needed and its gonna stay, if you dont like alt turn theres plenty of carebear private server
ty
waxen elk
REMOVE ALT TURN I CANT SOLO A REX AS A UTAH
tribal kayak
charred sluice
i remember the day alt turn came to the game, it was heaven for apexes it was actually hard to survive as one back then, u had to be scared of raptors, watch ur back all the time
charred sluice
people so passive agressive these days 
waxen elk
Look
cyan flame
Problem was, if they just got on your back, there was nothing to do :p
waxen elk
If you want to remove alt turn
cyan flame
A lot of the "tricks" people used were just that, tricks, that a smart player does not fall for :p
waxen elk
You would need a defense so some Utah kills a Giga by himself